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Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving the Great episode four point thirty one.

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Speaker 1: me as about fourteen hours from now, I bought a

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Speaker 1: But it also means next week not on the air,

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Speaker 1: Let's get right to it though, straight the voicemail brought

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Speaker 2: Oh wait what Team USA?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know what. I screwed that up. I

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Speaker 1: My apologies. I also want here's another interesting note. Team

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Speaker 1: USA World Baseball Classic also hosting the World Baseball Classic Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: While I'm there the night I land, Tokyo takes on

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Speaker 1: South Korea, I think at the Tokyo Dome, and I

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Speaker 1: t I think seeing the seeing Otani and the Japanese

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Speaker 1: be a lot I've correspondent from the World Baseball Classic,

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Speaker 1: Ajdabantsa says he might return to BYU. I don't buy that.

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Speaker 1: And Timmy c Timmy Shallomey and Lebron team up on

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Speaker 1: news of the day. Demons, which is my lifelong team,

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs traded probably one of their best players, or

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Speaker 2: Do you find this to be a similar move?

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Speaker 1: So listen, I want to start on McDuffie. McDuffie's an

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Speaker 1: They drafted him as Demons, they mentioned they immediately went

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Speaker 1: to the next three Super Bowls. Mcduffee had startlets three four,

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Speaker 1: he was part of a historic draft class for the

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Speaker 1: the Rams. Okay, nothing, and he's only twenty five. He

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Speaker 1: The Rams don't have to weigh that. The Rams are like,

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Speaker 1: let's go for it right now while we have Matt

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Speaker 1: we're post Stafford. So I totally get this move from them,

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Speaker 1: and they got an excellent player at the single biggest

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Speaker 1: position of need for them. Makes sense. With that said,

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Speaker 1: one team ever that has done what the Chiefs are

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Speaker 1: didn't They obviously weren't. They didn't end up as contenders

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Speaker 1: you have to do. And yes, the Chiefs are in

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Speaker 1: a disaster year. The Tyrek trade netted them the twenty

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Speaker 1: call it basically fifth round value. Exactly twenty nine, third, fourth, fifth,

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Speaker 1: by the draft charts they got essentially this is maybe

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Speaker 1: By the draft charts, they got the equivalent for McDuffie

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Speaker 3: And situation is so much more different though, considering like

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Speaker 1: I do not think they're gonna move off that ninth pick,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Rams just cleared up one of their

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Speaker 1: if you will.

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Speaker 3: Of seven years after taking him at number one, the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals are splitting ways with Kyler Murray. We all know

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Speaker 3: do you stand at on Tyler or Kyler?

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Speaker 1: I'm stunned how many people are trying to convince themselves.

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Speaker 1: That's seven years and eighty seven starts into his career.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is different than what we know he is,

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Speaker 1: which is a below average NFL starting quarterback. And you

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Speaker 1: can say below average, that's harsh, it's not. There's thirty

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Speaker 1: two teams in the league. And if right now I

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Speaker 1: were to tell you stop me when I say a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Kyler's better than Mahomes, Stafford, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Darnold, Caleb May,

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Speaker 1: Trevor golf Love, Dak Hurtz, Baker, Herbert Jaden. That's sixteen.

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Speaker 1: That's sixteen. I have not mentioned CJ. Stroud, I have

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Speaker 1: not mentioned bow Nicks, I have not mentioned Brock Purdy.

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Speaker 1: I have not mentioned you know, some cam Ward, some

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Speaker 1: people like Kyle. I'm sorry Bryce though, but that's.

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Speaker 2: The it starts to get questionable there. Yeah, the fact,

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Speaker 2: it's a debate.

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Speaker 1: Right, So he's at best, the twentieth best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: football at best, and he is. He does wear down

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Speaker 1: over the course of the season. He does have shaky

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Speaker 1: relationships with teammates and front offices, and he does have

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Speaker 1: very questionable work habits. And that's just who he is.

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Speaker 1: And so that the Arizona Cardinals last year, the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff was fighting for its life and Kyler came back

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Speaker 1: healthy from injury and they were like, yeah, Jacoby Brissett

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Speaker 1: runs this offense better, We're sticking with it. I don't.

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Speaker 1: People are trying to convince themselves that Kyler on the

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Speaker 1: Vikings would be dangerous. Noah wouldn't. Would it be an

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Speaker 1: upgrade over JJ McCarthy, Sure, would they be dangerous?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: And again, Darnald got like thirty five starts with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: Gino got thirty starts with the Jets, Baker got I

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Speaker 1: think fifty some with the Browns and showed something. Kyler

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Speaker 1: has started eighty seven games. Kyler has started more games

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Speaker 1: in this league than Joe Burrow. Like, it's not oh,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't had the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people are just saying it's the Cardinals though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when he got there, people were like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, it traded for DeAndre Hopkins. People didn't think

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Speaker 1: that was some terrible mess. Now it turned in to it,

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Speaker 1: but he was a part of it. And so do

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Speaker 1: I think Kyler is a starter in this league? Yes? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Do I think that he would be an upgrade over

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Speaker 1: what the Browns, the Jets, the Steelers, the Vikings are

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Speaker 1: likely going to go into next season with if they

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Speaker 1: don't sign him, I do. But do I think that

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Speaker 1: means there's any contending possibilities? I don't now. The glass

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Speaker 1: quarter full would be this demonse. This is the first

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Speaker 1: time in his athletic life he has failed in any way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some adversity he is.

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Speaker 1: I mean seven seasons, no, but I'm saying nim cutting him,

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Speaker 1: cutting him is the adversity. He he He was the

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Speaker 1: greatest player in the history of Texas high school football,

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Speaker 1: the greatest. He also was such a great baseball player.

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Speaker 1: He was a first round pick for the Oakland A's.

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Speaker 1: He then went to college, won the Heisman, went number

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Speaker 1: one in the draft, and instantly as early as they

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Speaker 1: could have got paid. And so it was just nothing

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Speaker 1: but everything I'm doing is working. Everything's great, and now

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Speaker 1: it's a real slap in the face of No, they're

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Speaker 1: paying you to go away, and you'll probably sign, make sense,

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Speaker 1: sign for the minimum because this team's going to be

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Speaker 1: paying you anyway. So maybe that is a come to

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Speaker 1: Jesus moment.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think maybe you should switch

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Speaker 2: over to baseball.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's probably too late for that, but

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: I think that could have been an option at some point. Listen,

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Speaker 1: it seems like people loved him as a baseball player,

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Speaker 1: loved him and he is just a.

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Speaker 2: Sick elite in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me see if I can. He was the

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Speaker 1: eighth overall pick the Yeah, I mean he was. I

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Speaker 1: mean he he's a legendary athlete.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the I'm trying to see you guys can ninth

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Speaker 1: overall pick. Uh, And I mean, God bless him for that.

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Speaker 1: He has. He has been a major disappointment as an

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. And I don't think again, he is two

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Speaker 1: months older or two months younger than Darnald, Like, I

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Speaker 1: just don't think he is this un diamond. We'll see,

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00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't buy it. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: talk Bengals for a moment.

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Speaker 3: Uh So the Bengals bought Trey Hendrickson, they failed to

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Speaker 3: tag him. They're not gonna tag him. They failed to

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Speaker 3: trade him away get something for him. How should Bengals

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Speaker 3: fans feel and how should Burrow feel?

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Speaker 1: So this is just franchise malpractice. Two. You had Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 1: He led the league in sacks. He wanted a big,

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Speaker 1: long term deal. You didn't want to give it to him.

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00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: He was pissed. You moved some money around a bit

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00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: to get him the comeback in It was seventeen and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks. The next year he responded with another

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Speaker 1: seventeen and a half sacks and he's like, all right,

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Speaker 1: now you've gotta pay me. They're like, nope, we're not

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Speaker 1: doing that. So then he was super pissed. He left

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Speaker 1: tre camp. It was a whole mess. He then begrudgingly

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Speaker 1: comes back. You then have last year, Burrow gets hurt

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Speaker 1: and he's pissed and you know you're not re signing him,

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Speaker 1: and you don't even trade him for pennies on the

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Speaker 1: dollar at the deadline. He then never comes back from

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Speaker 1: his injury, and now you let him walk for nothing.

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Speaker 4: It's just such bad business, just indefensibly bad business, and

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Speaker 4: Burrow should be livid that they either couldn't get a

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Speaker 4: deal done or couldn't accept they weren't gonna get a

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Speaker 4: deal done and moved him last.

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Speaker 1: Off season or the off season before, or at the

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Speaker 1: very least at the deadline. And to lose Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 1: for nothing's eat outrageous. Now I do think he will.

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Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument, how old is

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Speaker 1: Hendrickson thirty two? That might be old.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was younger than that.

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Speaker 1: No, No, he's thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Oh the.

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Speaker 1: So he is. And Max Crosby is twenty eight. I

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Speaker 1: should have looked these up before him. Bad job and me.

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Speaker 1: I apologize, but I got it right. Max Crosby's twenty

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Speaker 1: eight turns twenty nine in August. If I were running

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Speaker 1: a team, demonse, I would rather sign Trey Hendrickson in

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Speaker 1: free agency for good money rather than trade multiple firsts

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00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: for Max Crosby for and then resign him to huge money.

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00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: Crosby's a better player, and Crosby's got more years in

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Speaker 1: front of him. But the fact that you can sign

590
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Speaker 1: one guy and you'd have to trade multiple.

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Speaker 2: Picks for the other guy. So good.

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Speaker 1: And so here's the other question I have about Trey,

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Speaker 1: because Trey, listen, he was underpaid, but it's not like

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Speaker 1: he had never been paid. So Trey Hendrickson up to

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Speaker 1: this point in his career has made ninety five million bucks.

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00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: He was making twenty million a year on this contract

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Speaker 1: with the Bengals, basically five year, twenty million ish dollar

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Speaker 1: deal after his rookie deal. If Trey wants one last

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Speaker 1: huge payday, he has earned it, and God bless him.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if he might want to stick it

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Speaker 1: to the Bengals, And if he does, I think the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: the Bills, the Ravens, Yes, should call Yeah is particularly

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Speaker 1: the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Like in the division all four of those teams desperately

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00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: need pass rush help and be like, yeah, I'm sticking

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00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: around and I'm right for the Ravens twice a year

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00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: and for the other teams maybe if the Bengals ever

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs again. So I I've said this before,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again. There is a lot of Burrow

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Speaker 1: Sincy that reminds me of Breeze, New Orleans, where right

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Speaker 1: after he got there, they make it to a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Breeze won, Burrow didn't, and then those same went

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Speaker 1: seven to nine three years in a row. They missed

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Speaker 3: said that if MJ played today, he would average a

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Speaker 3: forty point triple double. For a little bit of context,

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Speaker 3: Will is the only player ever to average forty in

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Speaker 3: a season, and only three players ever have averaged a

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Speaker 3: triple double.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so listen, I don't even care about the

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Speaker 1: triple double piece because Jordan, I do. I think Jordan

653
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: averaging a triple double today. Sure, maybe he almost did

654
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: it the one year he played point guard for the Bulls.

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00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: It can be done. Jordan obviously is a demonstrably better

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Speaker 1: player than Ross. Ross has averaged a bunch of triple

657
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: doubles I I, and so no problem. The forty pointed

658
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: game thing with Jordan in today's game, here is the problem.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I'm so stunned. Max said it

660
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: because one of the reasons I have so much respect

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00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: for Max. It's kind of like arrogant. The reason I

662
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: have so much respect for Max.

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00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: Is because you guys have like so much of me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, man, that guy's smart. I like how

665
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: he makes arguments. A lot of it is just he

666
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: reminds me of myself. So that's kind of a but regardless,

667
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: Max very often in his arguments, does what you've got

668
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: to do if you're gonna have a sound argument, which

669
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Speaker 1: is tease it out and realize the full implications of

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00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: your argument and the full implications of Michael Jordan could

671
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: average forty a game. Are so then the guys who

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00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: when Jordan was averaging twenty nine averaged twenty eight, they

673
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: would in today's game be thirty eight thirty seven point

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00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: a game. And the guys today who are the best

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00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: scorers back then would be in the low twenties. So

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00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: let's right, because it can't only apply to Michael the

677
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: nineties deflation and contemporary inflation. So let's let's just grab

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00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: some Michael Jordan seasons. So if you're saying Michael Jordan

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00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: in ninety two, a lot of people think that is

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00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: peak Jordan, second Bowls Championship, the best team, he's got

681
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: it all figured. He averaged thirty point one points per game,

682
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins averaged and Carl Malone both averaged exactly twenty eight.

683
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: So nineteen ninety two, Dominique Wilkins in today's game, we're

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00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: giving him thirty seven a night. I'm not Chris Mullen

685
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: excellent player? Was it twenty five and a half and

686
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: he wasn't even better of you know, a great shooter

687
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: on you know, three point shooter. So Chris Mullins thirty

688
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: five a game in today's Europe It hard for me

689
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: to you know, hard for me to wrap my mind around.

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00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: But that's the implication. Ninety five, Michael was thirty two

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Speaker 1: and a half and Dominique was thirty, Karl Malone twenty seven.

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00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: So all those guys, once again, they're gonna be in

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00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: the high to mid thirties in today's game. The next year,

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00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: by the way, when Michael was retired, David Robinson averaged

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00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: thirty a game. So in today's game, the Admiral is

696
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: thirty eight and a half a night. I don't think so.

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00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: But let's take it a step further and do the

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00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: best scores of this era. And what Because what you're

699
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: saying is scoring is so much easier today that those

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00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: guys in Michael's era, when thirty was the high water

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00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: mark then and thirties basically the high water mark. Now,

702
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: those guys would struggle. So you're telling me peak, okc

703
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, who never averaged more than thirty two a game,

704
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: you drop him into the nineties. He's a twenty four

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00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: point per game guy. That's what we're saying. Because if

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00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: you're saying you're gonna give a twenty five percent boost

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00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: to the scores of the nineties and today, then you've

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00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: got to take a twenty five percent tax on the

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00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: scores of today in the nineties. So Pete Kevin Durant,

710
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: if he's dropped into nineteen ninety two, is looking up

711
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: at Chris Mullen and Clyde Drexler on the scoring list.

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00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: He really probably is averaging at that time.

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00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't think that either, because it was

715
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: no just the game was slower, there were less possessions.

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00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: It was it was the it was harder. But maybe

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00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: you think it wouldn't mattered. But the other thing that happens,

718
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: and this is what Max said, and this is just maddening,

719
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: and I've talked about this before. People pretend that the

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00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: one weakness in Michael's game three point shooting, was a

721
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: weakness by choice, like, well, if you wanted to be good,

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00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: he would be good as if he was shack and

723
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: never shot, when in reality, there was a brief stretch

724
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: of time when Jordan was a good three point shooter.

725
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: Because of that, he shot a lot of them for

726
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: the era, and that period was when they moved the

727
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: line in, and as soon as they moved the line

728
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: back out, he went from thirty seven percent shooting for

729
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: a game, which was a lot for the mid nineties,

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00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: to twenty three percent shooting one and a half a game.

731
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: And then after he had three years of retirement, seeing that, oh,

732
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: guys are shooting more and more threes, and my athleticism

733
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: isn't what it once was. He came back and was

734
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: a nice, crisp nineteen percent three point shooter. Again. He

735
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: might be the greatest player of all time. There is

736
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: a strong argument for that. But the idea ida that

737
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: he just chose to be bad at something, rather than

738
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: it was the one thing he wasn't great at. The

739
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: idea that because he he took over seventeen hundred threes

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00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: in his career. And if you again, if you I'm

741
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: trying to do I should have done this beforehand, but

742
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: when in his career, because his career three point numbers

743
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: don't actually look awful. It's thirty two point seven, that's fine,

744
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: but if you remove the years where they moved the

745
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: line in, So the years where they moved the line

746
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: in Michael from three was thirty nine percent and the

747
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: years where it was the regular line was twenty nine percent.

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00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: We don't have to make stuff up. I'm not going

749
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: to sit here and say, you know, if Lebron really

750
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: wanted to, he'd be a ninety percent free throw shooter.

751
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: He just chooses not to be. No, you just it's

752
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: not as good as he is, as hard as he works,

753
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: it's not for him to be a ninety percent free

754
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: throw shooter. So but again, if you believe Michael Jordan

755
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: would average forty in today's game, then you must believe

756
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: Dominique would average thirty eight and peak Kevin Durant in

757
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: the nineties would average like twenty three. I don't think

758
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: he actually believed it. Maybe more on this sports media

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00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: on Budsman on the show later today, all right, speaking

760
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: of sports media on Budsman, go ahead.

761
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: All right, round two. Earlier this week, Stephen A.

762
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: Smith took a shot at Zion Williamson, calling him a

763
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: food addict. This followed with a Twitter war with the

764
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 3: Pelicans social team and a twelve minute rant on first

765
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: take by Steve A.

766
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: Smith. The Pelicans aren't even relevant? So why why what's

767
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: going on here? You wanted to So.

768
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: Here's why I want to discuss this. I I think

769
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: the obvious take that people expect from me here is

770
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: how big it's about stephen A's ego. Right, The obvious

771
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: take is you have one of, if not the biggest

772
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: sports show in the country, and because the Pelicans social

773
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: media team put up funny clips of you, you know,

774
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: at your not at your athletic prime, just spend twelve

775
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: minutes defending yourself, you know, doing going at them just

776
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: a waste of everyone's time because you can't be the

777
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: butt of a joke, like you don't want to laugh

778
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: at yourself. Like that's where people expect me to go

779
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: with this. That is not where I'm going with this.

780
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: Where I'm going with this is we as a public

781
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: need to convince stephen A this is the good stuff.

782
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: This is what we want. Please like feed that trough

783
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: because this, unlike his Iranian war takes and everything he's

784
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: doing on that political show, this is harmless fun. And

785
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: you know what if you want to explain how actually

786
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: you've got a sick jump shot and you want to

787
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: talk about and you want to go after the Pelicans

788
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: social media team, and you want to say, with a

789
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: straight face into the camera, I am more famous than

790
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: everyone on the team than the Pelicans. You know what,

791
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: God love you. That is what we're here for. That's

792
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: the good stuff. More of that, less of geopolitical takes,

793
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: more of that, less of flirting with running for the presidency.

794
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: That is where I mean. We are in a perilous

795
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: timeline where both of the longtime prestige hosts of First

796
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: take stephen A and Skip have felt like, well, I've

797
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: waited long enough time for the public to get my

798
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: takes on the war in the Middle East. Skip did

799
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: it with his dog and his wife. Stephen A does

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00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: it on it was serious. I don't know, guys, don't

801
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: need it, don't want it, didn't ask for it. Skip,

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00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: love you, buddy, give us. I saw a clip come

803
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: across my timeline the other day where Skip was like,

804
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: and this is why Bronnie has a better clutch gene

805
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: than bron And I'm like, you know what a plus

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: ten out of ten? T why you're the goat? Stephen

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: A looking doing twelve minutes down barrel about why he's

808
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: more famous than everyone on the Pelicans and talking about

809
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: Zion hiding food under his bed. Chef's kiss no pun

810
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: intended perfect, more of that, less of Here's my take

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Speaker 1: on Howard Lutnick and you know, a quick refresher on

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: the Ayatola's rain in Iran. So I am I'm all

813
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: for it. I loved it. I like it all right.

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Speaker 1: Demon's a listener questions.

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Speaker 2: Uh, producers ask Arthur's birds.

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys can hear the birds right outside the window. Yeah,

817
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: it's Finally, it's finally not twenty degrees in New York.

818
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: We might have to get used to that.

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00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh Andy asks will Nick have respect for his

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: fellow passengers by keeping his shoes on during the flight.

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Speaker 1: All right, I can't tell if Wilds and Brewer trolling

822
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: me on this, so I will just say it to

823
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: America and you guys tell me if I am wearing fresh,

824
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: never worn out of the package socks. Is it at

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00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: all even a little bit objectionable that on a flight

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Speaker 1: I take off my shoes, honest question. I've never even

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Speaker 1: thought of it as problematic.

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Speaker 3: Probably shouldn't have them like in the aisles or like

829
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Speaker 3: stretched across other seats.

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Speaker 2: But if it's like meet the seat in front of.

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Speaker 3: You, under the seat in front of me, and it

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Speaker 3: obviously can't be wreaking like they do after you.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. It's let's assume that my

834
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Speaker 1: hygiene is good and I have taken the time to

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Speaker 1: make sure they're brand new socks. I'm not wearing stinky

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00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: old shoes, you know. I'm wearing the I don't even

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Speaker 1: think it's like a little awkward and Wilds and Bruges

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: is killing now wild princess lies and says I take

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Speaker 1: my socks off that I think you should be ejected

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00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: from the plane. That's like take your socks off if

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00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: you clip your fingernails. There are certain things that i've

842
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: you can't do in public, but I don't. I've never

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: even I try to be a super you can attest

844
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Speaker 1: to me for me on this demas. I try to

845
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Speaker 1: be a super courteous person. Like in all walks of life,

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: I try to be very courteous. I've never even considered

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Speaker 1: it was a problem take myself off. And these are

848
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: long flights. I'm an old, I'm a grandfather. I'm not

849
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Speaker 1: quite to the compression socks era. But your feet swell

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Speaker 1: like you got like it's a health reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I I definitely could see how somebody could,

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01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: you know, bat an eye at it.

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Speaker 2: But like but just if it's like, you know, concealed

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Speaker 2: another seat like I said.

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Speaker 3: But like because other people will have their feet like

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Speaker 3: sticking out of the side of their seat like like that.

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Speaker 1: No, I won't do that, and I wouldn't go sockless.

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Speaker 1: I also won't go to the lavatory without my shoes off.

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Speaker 1: I'll put them back on if I have to walk

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Speaker 1: down the aisle and go to the bath like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Collins, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean but it's a fifteen hour flight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, next blue Whale ass Demons, Do you

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Speaker 3: have any movie or TV show recommendations for the viewers.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, man, I'm pretty bad with like watching

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Speaker 3: new stuff. I've probably I'm like watching Shameless for the

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Speaker 3: maybe fourth or fifth time ever, breaking bad. I've probably

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Speaker 3: completed like six or seven times The Walking Dead, like

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Speaker 3: you know before it gets to like season three or four.

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Speaker 1: So nothing new though, there's nothing.

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Speaker 2: New that well the the what's it called?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: The beast in me that that new Netflix show we

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Speaker 3: watched at it together a little bit. I like that

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Speaker 3: one that was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Did you like Marty Supreme?

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Speaker 2: Dude, Marty Supreme was insane?

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Speaker 3: I like, I thought that it had the same exact

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Speaker 3: vibe of the Adams Uncut Gems And apparently it's the

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Speaker 3: same producer.

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Speaker 2: Just chaotic, yeah anxiety.

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Speaker 1: We were watching it together and Demonse said to me,

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Speaker 1: this reminds me of Uncut Gems and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: you could be a movie critic, like it's the same.

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Speaker 1: The same guy made it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because I was probably gonna spoil something.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I maybe screwed you on something,

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Speaker 1: Pal because I I tried to log into uh HBO

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Speaker 1: Max the other day and instead of it showing my

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Speaker 1: profile and your sister's profile and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: It just showed you, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Which and I was like what I was like, I

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Speaker 1: knew I was. There's no just no question in my mind.

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Speaker 1: I have I'm paying for like four different versions of

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Speaker 1: HBO Max, like, no doubt about it. The but here

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Speaker 1: was the problem, the one that you the one that

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Speaker 1: you are watching stuff on there's commercial I was I

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Speaker 1: was never commercial.

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Speaker 3: I think I signed up for when we were trying

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Speaker 3: to watch something at the Airbnb, uh for things giming.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that, cancel family that I was watching. I

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Speaker 1: turned it on and I'm like, this is HBO. It's

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Speaker 1: not commercials in general. It's like I can't live like this.

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Speaker 1: Logdowns like, let me find my other log in. God

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Speaker 1: knows your sister wouldn't tolerate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no question about it. Uh. Pravine

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Speaker 1: asked me if I know anything about cricket. I wish

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Speaker 1: I did. I don't. I did one time when we

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Speaker 1: lived in Houston, I the parking lot of the grocery

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Speaker 1: store by our house at like midnight. It was a bit.

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Speaker 1: There was a big Indian neighborhood by us, and at

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Speaker 1: like midnight on Fridays, these guys would have a full

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Speaker 1: blown twenty person cricket match and and I the U

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Speaker 1: and I would occasionally watch for a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand it, So no, I do

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Speaker 1: not all right, like rate subscribe review to the pod

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Speaker 1: Mars Men we are I'm on TV today and then

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, not this Monday, but the following Monday, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with three podcasts a week. Great Job Demandsday,

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Speaker 1: Great Job Blued Up, Great Job Volume. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys in a little over a week. What's right,