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Speaker 1: Sport and Winegarden yesterday. I just sort of throw out
Speaker 1: my Davy Roberts theories and see if Joe wants to
Speaker 1: bat them down as well. Everybody disagrees and they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: but Davy Roberts loses job, So I don't know if
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Speaker 1: start today. As you know, on this show, we have
Speaker 1: not been shy about talking about political betting. A politically speaking,
Speaker 1: of course, Jason Jason conn is here as well. Everybody,
Speaker 1: how you doing, Jason? Could good morning? Go yeah we
Speaker 1: get a political yeah yeah, well I want to get
Speaker 1: a political but political betting. This is like super geeked
Speaker 1: out stuff. Uh. And these two guests who are kind
Speaker 1: enough to join us this morning, they did a phenomenal
Speaker 1: podcast video pod on the subject last week, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to have them both on. Uh. She is from
Speaker 1: odd Sharks. She's a writer for add Sharks. Comes comes
Speaker 1: to us primarily from my poker writing background. I believe
Speaker 1: she'll correct me if I'm wrong. Pamela Malda Nado on
Speaker 1: the show this morning, and uh, he is a gaming attorney.
Speaker 1: But also and he may object to this term, so
Speaker 1: I'll have to get a definition on this. I believe
Speaker 1: operative might be too strong of a word. He may
Speaker 1: object to that. But registered Republican, formerly working in politics
Speaker 1: and the Republican Party. It's Mac for standing. So welcome, Pamela,
Speaker 1: Welcome Mac, and congratulations to the both of you. And
Speaker 1: I thought was just a great pot cast last week.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. There they are, look at them
Speaker 1: very much. Oh no, no, it was great. It was
Speaker 1: It was thorough. It was wonderful and I hope to
Speaker 1: do justice here this this morning, because I think this
Speaker 1: is the content that everybody wants. We are one week away,
Speaker 1: obviously from the presidential election, and I guess I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where should I start, And let's
Speaker 1: just start with the latest, which is yesterday. When we
Speaker 1: were on the air, it looked like Joe Biden had
Speaker 1: his day cleared, he wasn't gonna go anywhere, UM, had
Speaker 1: his calendar cleared. And then he showed up in Pennsylvania randomly,
Speaker 1: maybe not so randomly, but at least schedule wise, it
Speaker 1: was randomly. And then the schedule came out and he's
Speaker 1: going to Georgia and Florida. I want to start with
Speaker 1: Georgia and Texas specifically because I found that interesting. UM,
Speaker 1: because Georgia and Texas at least in the betting markets,
Speaker 1: and I can give you the numbers specifically, Republicans to
Speaker 1: win the electoral vote electoral vote in Georgia minus one
Speaker 1: seventy six to do so in Texas. Uh, it is
Speaker 1: just about the same number. I think a little higher.
Speaker 1: I'll check on the exact number right now. Mac. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you on these um Texas, by the way,
Speaker 1: minus three sixty for the Republicans, pardon me, much higher
Speaker 1: are Georgia. In Texas and specifically Georgia, where Biden is
Speaker 1: visiting today in play, George is not genuinely in play
Speaker 1: on the presidential front, but George is important for two reasons. One,
Speaker 1: there's a Senate race that is weirdly in play. The
Speaker 1: incumbent Senator per Due is looking oddly vulnerable against a
Speaker 1: guy named John osof whose claimed to fame and I
Speaker 1: could not make this up, is he lost the most
Speaker 1: expensive house race in American history. But somehow he's running
Speaker 1: strong in Georgia on the Senate front. And if Biden's
Speaker 1: going to win in his game to the point in
Speaker 1: the race where he's taking for granted the idea that
Speaker 1: he might win and he wants to send it to
Speaker 1: back him, that puts a lot of pressure down to
Speaker 1: get there too. It makes the Republicans in the last
Speaker 1: week spend money in the Atlanta media mark which is
Speaker 1: expensive and going to the Texas point in a bunch
Speaker 1: of media Marke considers super expensive, and that takes their
Speaker 1: precious resources away from Michigan, Pennsylvania and parts of Florida,
Speaker 1: So it's not a it's not a Hillary mistake. I don't.
Speaker 1: I know. He did say he's going to go visit Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's it's it's not a kin to that,
Speaker 1: but it's not for those are saying like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is exactly what Hillary did. She was in the wrong
Speaker 1: states of the in the last week. You don't view
Speaker 1: it that way. I don't view it that way because
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any obvious blind spot states that
Speaker 1: he's missing. Look, I'm a proud man who used to
Speaker 1: live in Wisconsin, went to school in Wisconsin. And the
Speaker 1: fact that Hillary couldn't see that iowaism play, in ohioism play,
Speaker 1: but somehow didn't realize Wisconsin isn't play is malpractice of
Speaker 1: highest magnitude. But I didn't seems to be doing a
Speaker 1: better job covering the obvious states. So I do think
Speaker 1: it is a little arrogant to go down to Georgia,
Speaker 1: to go down to Texas and to try to put
Speaker 1: those in place, so to speak, when he us have
Speaker 1: real concerns in other states. But he's playing like a
Speaker 1: man who's well ahead in the fourth quarter and something
Speaker 1: of a preventive hunt. Interesting by the way, Trump of
Speaker 1: course winning Georgia and polls right now split. But the the
Speaker 1: betting market, as we mentioned, Republicans at minus one seventy
Speaker 1: six to win the electoral will vote skill Alexander. It
Speaker 1: is a numbers game right here at Visa the Sports
Speaker 1: Betting Network series x M channel two O four talking
Speaker 1: with both mac Verstanding and Pamela Maldonado from odd Shark
Speaker 1: about the election one week from today. Let me shift
Speaker 1: to Texas for a second, Pamela, And by the way,
Speaker 1: pam or Pamela, what do you prefer either way? We're
Speaker 1: exciting to me. Okay, well, uh, Texas. You live in Texas,
Speaker 1: you are familiar with the demographics there. Uh done deal.
Speaker 1: Republicans huge favorites minus three sixty in terms of the
Speaker 1: betting market on the electoral vote in Texas. But you
Speaker 1: think that might be a little high. As far as
Speaker 1: I could gather, I will would not believe that they're
Speaker 1: spending advertising dollar Kamala Harris is making a trip to
Speaker 1: Texas if they didn't believe that there is a legitimate
Speaker 1: shot at at least making this a much tighter race
Speaker 1: than the odds and polls indicate. Now, the reason for
Speaker 1: that is because we have a large number of transient
Speaker 1: people that have come from California, New York, Arizona, people
Speaker 1: from all across the country have in fact moved over
Speaker 1: to Austin, moved over to Harris County, that's Houston, Dallas,
Speaker 1: moved over to some of these big metropolitans cities within
Speaker 1: the state. And that has shifted our demographics. We are
Speaker 1: no longer as strongly read as we used to be.
Speaker 1: And now you said my Republican was minus three sixty.
Speaker 1: I've been tracking these odds since about March April UM
Speaker 1: when everyone else was focusing on Korean baseball. I got
Speaker 1: into politics. The number for a Republican was minus six hundred.
Speaker 1: That number is now anywhere between minus three hundred. I
Speaker 1: see it on bet online minus three. You see it
Speaker 1: a minus three sixty. Democrat went from plus one thousand,
Speaker 1: it is now plus two forty. Now it's interesting about
Speaker 1: Texas is we have nearly seven point four million early
Speaker 1: votes as a Sunday. Why is that number so important
Speaker 1: because that is of the state's total in two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen and we still have a week away. It
Speaker 1: really is a present. But how about that Douson team
Speaker 1: in Korea. That's what I really wanted to bring on it.
Speaker 1: Very very curious about that. Um so then, but just
Speaker 1: from a betting perspective, then, while all of that so,
Speaker 1: both in Georgia and Texas, while we're trending in one way,
Speaker 1: and listen, we're all about value. We always say it,
Speaker 1: no matter the bed, value is value, whether it's a
Speaker 1: favorite or an underdog. Mac do I do? Do you still?
Speaker 1: Do you recommend a bet on the Democrats in either
Speaker 1: of those states? Are we are we jumping ahead of ourselves?
Speaker 1: I would take the bet on the Democrats in Texas.
Speaker 1: I think Texas at least for this election cycle is
Speaker 1: lucy and the football to the Democrats there gonna get close,
Speaker 1: They're going to make some progress, but the last man's
Speaker 1: gonna get pulled away. Georgia with the right odds, and
Speaker 1: it seems that we're getting there may actually have good
Speaker 1: value if you're looking to make a wager if Joe
Speaker 1: Biden wins big, if this is a historic election, somewhere
Speaker 1: in the nature of Ronnie Reagan and eight four about
Speaker 1: out the forty nine states sweep, Georgia is one of
Speaker 1: those surprising states. That's gonna flip his way. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. I don't think it's more probable
Speaker 1: than not. But if you're getting the right odds and
Speaker 1: it looks like the markets are just about there, it
Speaker 1: may be a good value bet Okay, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the rust belt states because as I'm as I understand
Speaker 1: and I think how the conventional wisdom is going right now,
Speaker 1: and most people seem to get it, is if Biden
Speaker 1: can win, uh, the trifecta, if you will, of Michigan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania, this thing is over. Katie bar the doors.
Speaker 1: They say back down south that this is done ze.
Speaker 1: Let's start with these one by one. You guys did
Speaker 1: a great job on your pot about this. Let's start
Speaker 1: with Michigan. Um, how do you see that one? As
Speaker 1: we look at the real clear politics board here up
Speaker 1: at Visa dot com and the Visa app, that's the
Speaker 1: one of the three Michigan that looks like it is
Speaker 1: definitely not definitely, but at least it has a light
Speaker 1: shade of blue Michigan right now. The electoral vote, the
Speaker 1: electoral vote rather in terms of the betting market, Democrats
Speaker 1: minus to sixty Republicans plus two oh nine mac Michigan.
Speaker 1: Michigan probably does Democratic. I certainly don't like the action
Speaker 1: of minus to six D. I don't think it is
Speaker 1: that safe from the Democratic cold. But I don't think
Speaker 1: there's enough value of plus two or nine either. It's
Speaker 1: a race. I wind to be wagering at those odds
Speaker 1: one way or another. If Trump's going to hold on
Speaker 1: to Michigan, it's going to be a hidden vote that
Speaker 1: comes out from Again, it's also going to be reverse
Speaker 1: coachail and was a Senate race with a really lovable
Speaker 1: guy named John James's an Iraqi War veteran running on
Speaker 1: the Republican ticket, If he can draw out enough of
Speaker 1: the true additional GOP base that's been otherwise repulsed by Trump,
Speaker 1: and let's just say there's really bad weather in Detroit
Speaker 1: that day or something that sort of tamps down the vote,
Speaker 1: it's possible. But I see Michigan going back in the
Speaker 1: Democratic column, and I would say relatively safely. So light
Speaker 1: blue does seem like the right shape. Pennsylvania, where the
Speaker 1: Democrats are minus two hundred, another state that Trump won
Speaker 1: in has come down from minus to fifty. Biden not
Speaker 1: quite the polling advantage that he has in Michigan. Do
Speaker 1: you think Pennsylvania is in play and and is it really,
Speaker 1: I mean, is it one of these that if Trump
Speaker 1: can win, I mean, that's his only path, right mac, Yes,
Speaker 1: his only path is to pick up two of the
Speaker 1: three rest spelt states. Trump is an incumbent who's not
Speaker 1: going to add a single state he lost last time
Speaker 1: with the possible looks of human the vata, and that's
Speaker 1: sort of exasperatmant to itself if you're looking at the
Speaker 1: big odds, the idea. They have an incumbent who is
Speaker 1: not likely to be territory. Pennsylvania's Joe Biden's home state,
Speaker 1: US the senator from Delaware. But he is at least
Speaker 1: supposedly a proud son of screen to Pennsylvania, and he's
Speaker 1: been pointing that out a lot on the campaign trail.
Speaker 1: The problem for him is Philadelphia has been not showing
Speaker 1: these sort of robust enthusiasm you would want from a
Speaker 1: Democratic perspective. Trump has been smart. He's been campaigning hard
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, not just recently. I mean, remember Donald Trump
Speaker 1: started campaigning for re election roughly ten seconds after the
Speaker 1: oath of office. So I'm looking to see what we've
Speaker 1: got at the moment, Democrats Republicans plus one fifty three,
Speaker 1: I think there's value on the Republican mind there. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take it even money, but at plus one fifty three,
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump could pull this out of his
Speaker 1: back pocket. Again. It's a state that's not getting any
Speaker 1: more liberal. It's it's a it's a market that has
Speaker 1: really come down to like every day, Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Did I go ahead and interject here? I
Speaker 1: think another thing that you have to get cosider is
Speaker 1: that it's not just a Biden that's making his rounds
Speaker 1: over in Pennsylvania, it's also Obama. And who's gonna who
Speaker 1: has a lot more name recognition at this point, It's
Speaker 1: going to be Obama. But something that did help that
Speaker 1: is a big blow for Republicans that would have me
Speaker 1: leaning more towards Democrat, is that the Supreme Court ruled
Speaker 1: just yesterday that mail in ballots can't be rejected over
Speaker 1: mismatched signatures. So what that means it's different looking signatures
Speaker 1: from your ballot than your registration form are no longer disqualifying.
Speaker 1: That's a big blow for the Republicans. Did you find
Speaker 1: since you got into this, Pam earlier this year, have
Speaker 1: you found that the that the betting interest in this
Speaker 1: has grown far wider than you could have imagined. I
Speaker 1: listen every single day. I go about an hour walk
Speaker 1: every single morning, and it's why I need to listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts. I am listening to every single political podcast
Speaker 1: that I can. I have absorbed this like it has
Speaker 1: become my limb. I'm astonished with myself, to be frank,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's it's just so it's thrilling to
Speaker 1: see the developments from where we were in March to
Speaker 1: where we are now, and it's a week away. You're
Speaker 1: seeing the progression from either side, Republicans Democrats, You're getting
Speaker 1: viewpoints from Republicans Democrats, and it's just it's it's fascinating
Speaker 1: to me, it is and it's it's what. What's what
Speaker 1: me and my friends have talked about the most. Obviously
Speaker 1: we talked about football and baseball and standard as well,
Speaker 1: but this has been the running sort of sidebar the
Speaker 1: whole way through. I want to get your thoughts Pam
Speaker 1: on on Florida momentarily, but let's finish the Rust belt
Speaker 1: because I know Mac that you were in Wisconsin for
Speaker 1: a good period of time. This to me, of all
Speaker 1: the things you guys talked about, well, there was a
Speaker 1: couple of states, Wisconsin and Nevada were particularly interesting, but Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: which is part of that Rust Belt trio. Uh Democrats
Speaker 1: minus two right now Republicans plus two thirty five. These
Speaker 1: are consensus numbers in betting markets globally. Trump wanted in
Speaker 1: polling has been really really interesting because you see some
Speaker 1: polls where Biden is double digits ahead in Wisconsin. You've
Speaker 1: lived there, You've worked in politics there. You see this
Speaker 1: completely differently from a poll like that I do. I
Speaker 1: think it is much closer, and I think it was
Speaker 1: value on the Republican side. Trump was the first Republican
Speaker 1: to pull Wisconsin out in some time. But the fact
Speaker 1: that it's got in the stake close is not coincidence.
Speaker 1: With auto layoffs. The number of unionized employees over the
Speaker 1: past several years has dropped dramatically. That means the number
Speaker 1: of both Democratic voters period has dropped, and the number
Speaker 1: of Democratic voters who are going to be told by
Speaker 1: his or her respective union boss to help and vote
Speaker 1: has dropped. There's another issue with Wisconsin. This is not
Speaker 1: a good thing, but from a betting point of view,
Speaker 1: we've got to take everything into account. Milwaukee is a
Speaker 1: city that contains almost the entire Democratic base of the
Speaker 1: Wisconsin vote outside of Madison, and Milwaukee is a place
Speaker 1: where voter suppression occurs on just an enormous and deeply
Speaker 1: unfortunate scale. By no means my condone in this this
Speaker 1: is a terrible thing, but it's baked into the cake.
Speaker 1: The reality is there is year and a year out
Speaker 1: in effort to suppress the African American vote in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: The African American vote in Milwaukee is a heavily Democratic vote.
Speaker 1: The polling obviously isn't suppressed. No one's being turned away
Speaker 1: from answering the phone over dinner. So there tends to
Speaker 1: be a divide between what the polls show in advance
Speaker 1: and what actually happens on election day. Added the fact
Speaker 1: the places like Jamesville don't have the auto workers that
Speaker 1: they once did. Add in the fact the parts of
Speaker 1: the state have actually done pretty well under Trump, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a very close state. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of value in the Republican wager at the moment,
Speaker 1: I don't know that it makes sense. And an even
Speaker 1: money point, I think Joe Biden is going to win
Speaker 1: the state, but it's much much closer. And add on
Speaker 1: to that you have I was just talking about Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: and how the Supreme Court was a big blow for
Speaker 1: the Republicans. Well, it's the reverse. It's the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: ruled in something that's in favor of the Publicans. The
Speaker 1: Supreme Court will not and this was also something that
Speaker 1: just happened over the weekend. They will not extend the
Speaker 1: deadline for absentee ballots, meaning absentee ballots will be counted
Speaker 1: only if they are in the hands I mean musical
Speaker 1: clerks by the time the polls closed on November three.
Speaker 1: So that's a big win for Republicans. Speaking of speaking
Speaker 1: of the allegations of voter suppression, or maybe not just allegations,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the reality of voter suppression. We talked about
Speaker 1: Milwaukee here moments ago. Uh. Florida pam uh again, another
Speaker 1: state that went to Trump in it was read in
Speaker 1: this market very tight Republicans minus one forty four Democrats
Speaker 1: plus one twenty. There is a path where Florida or
Speaker 1: there is a scenario, I should say where Florida doesn't
Speaker 1: matter in the end. If Biden wins those rust belt states,
Speaker 1: maybe even Trump winning Florida will not shift this election
Speaker 1: to Donald J. Trump. But Latino's obviously an interesting demographic
Speaker 1: in the state of Florida and very hard to sort
Speaker 1: of wrangle. Explain that to us if you would. I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to let Mac do this one, because
Speaker 1: I kind of do believe that. I think, yes, it's
Speaker 1: a toss up, but I am agreement with him that
Speaker 1: it is probably going to go towards Trump and Republican
Speaker 1: minus too minus the odds are the voter turnout is
Speaker 1: not doing as superb as other states. The voter turnout
Speaker 1: is kind of whether it is depression, but it's only
Speaker 1: the votes have cast their ballots. They are expecting turnout.
Speaker 1: But I myself, I'm I'm not. I don't feel strong,
Speaker 1: and I would believe that Mac perhaps would be a
Speaker 1: better one to answer on this one when it comes
Speaker 1: to the state back so far, that is where I
Speaker 1: went to law school. I don't know that gives a
Speaker 1: much way of bona fides, but I've lived in Miami
Speaker 1: and I've voted in Miami. One of the really inexplicable
Speaker 1: things is the ratio of Republican voters to Democratic voters
Speaker 1: in Florida has actually gone up over the past four
Speaker 1: years during Trump's first start, meaning there are more registered
Speaker 1: Republicans today as a percentage than there were four days ago.
Speaker 1: That doesn't jibe with any national arment, doesn't jibe with
Speaker 1: anything you expect against a relatively unpopular incumbent president. There's
Speaker 1: also a lot of things in Florida that would ordinarily
Speaker 1: suggest Biden should be comfortable to heavily minority state, but
Speaker 1: and Hamela is much more qualified on this part than me. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Latino and Latino vote is not a singular block.
Speaker 1: It's an enormously complicated voting block. But it's a huge
Speaker 1: part of Miami Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach Counties, which
Speaker 1: are the three counties in southern Florida that account for
Speaker 1: almost all of the state's Democratic votes, and where they
Speaker 1: meaningfully differ from the Latino and Latino votes in places
Speaker 1: like Texas and Arizona is there's a heavily Cuban influence.
Speaker 1: Younger generations of Cubans are supposed to be getting more
Speaker 1: and more liberal because they did not personally flee the
Speaker 1: terrors of Fidel Castro, but somehow that has a planned out.
Speaker 1: The Cuban vote has been reliably Republican over the years,
Speaker 1: mostly just because of the de facto reaction to anything
Speaker 1: that even vaguely sounds like communism or liberalism, which again
Speaker 1: put in the side of Merrite from the other day,
Speaker 1: and that's held Florida as a relatively conservative state. So
Speaker 1: I think it is growing to hold for Trump. It
Speaker 1: is now officially his residence. He somehow shut up and
Speaker 1: voted in person the other day, got a good photo op.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's some guys on the public and ticket there. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Florida is just Sorda. Is just really hard because
Speaker 1: you're having to guess who is going to turn out
Speaker 1: for the vote. You have the older white demographic who
Speaker 1: is very upset at them is handling of coronavirus. And
Speaker 1: like Max said, you have the Latino population, which we've
Speaker 1: had this discussion. It is very hard to break down
Speaker 1: the Latino Hispanic population because we have thirty subsidies within
Speaker 1: our culture. So somebody who is like he said, you
Speaker 1: have the Cubans, and then you have the Mexicans who
Speaker 1: are vote well part of Mexico. Are you've from the
Speaker 1: southern Mexico, from the west coast Mexico, Like, it's just
Speaker 1: so many So you're trying to have why Florida is
Speaker 1: a toss up is because you're trying to guess which
Speaker 1: demographic is going to turn out. Okay, So then to
Speaker 1: both of you here, because we have a pesky commercial
Speaker 1: here in a minute, of the states we've talked about Michigan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania, the rust belt states, uh, Florida, and then
Speaker 1: let's throw in Georgia and Texas, which is where we started.
Speaker 1: What's the best bet state by state among them as
Speaker 1: you see it value wise, either of you could take
Speaker 1: that best value is Wisconsin. Safest bet is Florida. Gop
Speaker 1: on both of them, gop on both of you agree
Speaker 1: with that, Pam, I was Wisconsin is going to be
Speaker 1: my first response as well, so the value on the
Speaker 1: GOP in the state of Wisconsin, which is again one
Speaker 1: of those three that Biden is trying to get to
Speaker 1: clinch it and make it an early night a week
Speaker 1: from today, election night, November three, one week from today.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back. It's mac verstanding it's Panela
Speaker 1: Maldonado from Odds Shark talking a election here all hour long.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Dreu Densic on the NFL and Joe
Speaker 1: Sheen on MLB. In the second hour. I want to
Speaker 1: get into the state of Nevada, which most people sort
Speaker 1: of think is a done deal. Mac doesn't see it
Speaker 1: that way. We want to get into the interesting demographics
Speaker 1: of the state of Nevada, which is a very twenty
Speaker 1: twenty discussion that and of course the broader discussion. Finally,
Speaker 1: the big market. Who will win this ultimately UH in
Speaker 1: the presidential race, Biden or Trump, and how you should
Speaker 1: bet that? Coming back on a numbers game at Visa
Speaker 1: these Sports Betting Network one week from today with Mac
Speaker 1: Verstanding and Pamela mal Donado. The Twitter machine loves these two.
Speaker 1: I knew they would. Um, we'll get intoll those tweets
Speaker 1: here momentarily, but we have a we have a short
Speaker 1: little segment here, and I want to talk Nevada because
Speaker 1: one of the things that you two talked about on
Speaker 1: your video pod shut I called a video pod a
Speaker 1: video I don't know what it was, but it was
Speaker 1: beautiful the way you guys did it. But Nevada was
Speaker 1: fascinating because here we are. Mac. I know you're are
Speaker 1: located in Nevada, Pam, You're in Texas. UM. Nevada is
Speaker 1: a very unique situation, isn't it. Mac Nevada is the
Speaker 1: ultimate and but for the storylines of it would not
Speaker 1: and should not be implayed. So that is a state
Speaker 1: that was getting more and more reliably democratic and showing
Speaker 1: no signs of turning back about four to seven points
Speaker 1: in the blue margin. Hillary Clinton wanted. Donald Trump didn't
Speaker 1: really compete there. He tried to adend happen and that
Speaker 1: should have held. But here's the thing about Nevada. Nevada
Speaker 1: is Las Vegas and the rest of the state, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the state has been very conservative. Las
Speaker 1: Vegas is full of casino employees, that is our local industry,
Speaker 1: and casino employees are unionized and thus tend to the Democratic.
Speaker 1: But because of COVID nineteen, a large swap of the
Speaker 1: casino employees are gone. Not all the casinos are fully
Speaker 1: up and reopened at all, and the ones that are
Speaker 1: not really running a full capacity at the moment. So
Speaker 1: there's these huge quantities of unionized employees who were told
Speaker 1: earlier this year that they've been laid off, they've been
Speaker 1: let go, and a large number of them have packed
Speaker 1: up and they've gone to California, they've gone to Florida,
Speaker 1: they've gone to any number of other states. But they're
Speaker 1: not hanging back in Nevada where the short term future
Speaker 1: prospects of employment are not great. That means there's a
Speaker 1: large part of this reliable Democratic vote that's gone. Now
Speaker 1: Here's what makes us even screw here. When we take
Speaker 1: polls in politics, when we sample what's going on in
Speaker 1: front of election day, we assume a Republican Democratic and
Speaker 1: voters split, but either in accord with what's on the
Speaker 1: books or that roughly resembles what turned out four years ago.
Speaker 1: So the polling is not going to show this massive
Speaker 1: drop in Democratic voters in southern Nevada. Interesting, but I
Speaker 1: think the campaigns note they've been showing up in great
Speaker 1: frequency lately. Donald Trump has been running all over southern
Speaker 1: the data and I don't think you'd see that investment
Speaker 1: of resources unless someone in the campaign had the same
Speaker 1: until we do. That's that's totally it, right, That's totally
Speaker 1: the reason why it keeps coming back here. It's got
Speaker 1: to be drum a betting perspective, you always talk about
Speaker 1: fishy lines, and maybe the line certainly correly. I think
Speaker 1: what's interesting about him and why I would also lean
Speaker 1: towards the Republican side of getting value is because if
Speaker 1: you look at five thirty eight, I look at this ideally.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you look at five thirty eight,
Speaker 1: they have Biden clearly favored to win Nevada nine two
Speaker 1: in one hundred, Yet the betting nods have continuously dropped Republican.
Speaker 1: And so if it was clearly favored, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that democratic juice would be a little bit higher than
Speaker 1: what it is at minus anywhere between minus two fifty
Speaker 1: minus two eighty than what you're getting. Yeah, in fact,
Speaker 1: pan to your point, I mean this yesterday I saw
Speaker 1: Democrats minus three four already here we look this more
Speaker 1: when we flash up on the screen is minus three
Speaker 1: you're quoting it to tick below that. Even so it
Speaker 1: is you know, every day, obviously the general election market
Speaker 1: changes every day back and forth, but even these states
Speaker 1: now are starting to move at a very rapid pace,
Speaker 1: in Nevada being perhaps chief among them. You agree with
Speaker 1: that Mac that that that's a that's a value bet,
Speaker 1: and maybe more than a value bet. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to talk value, it's another thing too, Okay,
Speaker 1: value schmalue. Is this gonna win or not? As people?
Speaker 1: You know, people want to know, is it gonna catch it?
Speaker 1: Would you bet this Republican? I would bet a Republican.
Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of value opportunities in the
Speaker 1: Rust Belt, and those are things where at the right number,
Speaker 1: I think the odds are there, but I suspect they're
Speaker 1: going to go to Joe Biden. I think Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is gonna win the state of Nevada. It is going
Speaker 1: to be the ultimate aberration and will be fascinating to
Speaker 1: see four years from now whether or not the parties
Speaker 1: realized this is what happened, because this is a singular,
Speaker 1: non reoccurring event that just falls right in his favor.
Speaker 1: I only have twenty seconds here before the next break.
Speaker 1: But is it consequentially even if it does go to
Speaker 1: the Republicans for the national election? No, No, that is
Speaker 1: a diminimous number of electoral votes, and I do not
Speaker 1: see the selection being that squeaky of the margin. All Right,
Speaker 1: we'll come back, mac verstanding Pamela mal Donado talking election
Speaker 1: one week away and we'll talk football and baseball. Promise
Speaker 1: you that it's a numbers game at Visa and the
Speaker 1: sports betting Network geeking out. Uh we get tweets at
Speaker 1: beating the book. Always appreciate all the feedback and as
Speaker 1: you can imagine, on a show like this, it's all
Speaker 1: over the place. Let's see this is from Let's see
Speaker 1: this is from Nick is talking about Pam. Listening to
Speaker 1: your appearances directed at Pam. Sound awesome. Gil should have
Speaker 1: you on the show morow he should guilt, should guilt?
Speaker 1: Should beam? Martin bands Hey, Gil, mom Nada one of
Speaker 1: my favorite newly discovered cappers plus gives the show a
Speaker 1: lot better look than wishing of the disheveled intellectual. Great
Speaker 1: call on putting her on the show. He got thrown
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Speaker 1: McIvor a politically speaking, that was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: interviews ever. Still happening, James um analytics. Where do people
Speaker 1: bet these presidential props? Globally? Bradley Poris Biden is not
Speaker 1: winning Texas minus three sixties, Free money, l O L.
Speaker 1: Mike Jang and the words of public idemy. Don't believe
Speaker 1: the hype on Biden Harrison Texas. We're talking about value
Speaker 1: and uh, let's say Phil wis excellent pair of election experts,
Speaker 1: really good info, and then he goes on to throw
Speaker 1: one of our other guests under the bus. It's it's
Speaker 1: just not cool either. Come on, people, come on, Uh
Speaker 1: skill Alexander, it's mac ver stand again as Pamela Maldonado
Speaker 1: from odsh are kind enough to join us talk election
Speaker 1: this morning before we get into the broader presidential market.
Speaker 1: And what I'm really curious about is if you would,
Speaker 1: uh hate, if you would venture a wager on by
Speaker 1: how much either the GOP or the Democrats are gonna
Speaker 1: win in the electoral college. We'll get into that next segment,
Speaker 1: but let's go through a few of these senate races
Speaker 1: of consequence. Uh, if you will, guys, and let's start
Speaker 1: in Arizona. I guess Arizona. We can talk both electoral
Speaker 1: college and the Senate race. Martha mcsal lee the Republican,
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly the Democrat, Mark Kelly a huge minus three
Speaker 1: three favorite. Properly priced throw it out to either of you,
Speaker 1: So yes, properly price Martha mc sally is an incompan
Speaker 1: who has never been elected. There's a lot of unpopularity there.
Speaker 1: It's a state that's leaning towards going towards Biden to
Speaker 1: begin with. Plus, Mark Kelly is a lovable former astronaut.
Speaker 1: He's married to Gabby Gifford's who's the former congressman congresswoman
Speaker 1: who had the tragic shooting. He is a figure who
Speaker 1: Arizona is easily rallied around. This is an almost impossible
Speaker 1: Senate race on the GOP side. Uh. From a legal
Speaker 1: point of view, Amy Coney Barrett was sworn in as
Speaker 1: an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court really a short
Speaker 1: time ago. I think it's as we've been on air
Speaker 1: this morning, and one of the questions is why did
Speaker 1: the GPE rusher through prior to election day? Why not
Speaker 1: tease it out there as reelect us and we'll get
Speaker 1: it done, or at least we'll get done in the
Speaker 1: lane up session. And I think Arizona is actually a
Speaker 1: big reason. Because this is a special election. Whoever wins
Speaker 1: this race is gonna be sworn in very quickly. They
Speaker 1: don't wait till January. And there is zero confidence in
Speaker 1: the Republican party that Martha McSally can hold onto this seat.
Speaker 1: What about the state itself? The state itself from an
Speaker 1: electoral college perspective, red or blue, because this is a
Speaker 1: real tight market with the Democrats only a slight favorite. Well,
Speaker 1: Trump won here four years ago. If he's going to
Speaker 1: lose outside of the rust belt, this would seem to
Speaker 1: be part of what walks away from him. But there's
Speaker 1: been this odd issue with again the Latino Latino vote,
Speaker 1: which we talked about. It's not a singular vote. It's
Speaker 1: a hard vote to understand, but it doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be as copacetic to him as it was to Barack
Speaker 1: Obama or even to Hillary Clinton. That is a massive
Speaker 1: part of the vote in Arizona. Arizona is really just
Speaker 1: a couple of metropolitan areas, the rest of its rural.
Speaker 1: So Trump seems to have a chance of holding on
Speaker 1: here is a reason the markets going back and forth.
Speaker 1: But if you're getting anything close to even money on Biden,
Speaker 1: I would take it. If you're you know, anywhere close
Speaker 1: that march and I would take it. What is it
Speaker 1: at then maybe that's small, But take the Democratic side,
Speaker 1: Pam your thoughts, I would agree with him. It's mean
Speaker 1: to quote our interview that he had. He said, no
Speaker 1: one believes Nick Sally is going to win, and there
Speaker 1: are going to be situations like this where you have them, uh,
Speaker 1: the incumbent Republican going to get pushed out, but it
Speaker 1: is going to be a split diic a vote where
Speaker 1: it goes towards the Democratic side. And I agree the
Speaker 1: voter turnout in Arizona. I mean, it's record breaking numbers
Speaker 1: across the country and Arizona is no exception to that.
Speaker 1: Trying to get to as many states as possible here
Speaker 1: within the air. If your state is not mentioned, please
Speaker 1: don't don't be offended. We're trying to get to some
Speaker 1: of the more swingy ones Iowa. Let's start with the
Speaker 1: Senate race. Jody Earns the Republican, slight favorite minus one six,
Speaker 1: Theresa Greenfield the Democrat plus one oh six. You were
Speaker 1: mentioning on the on the pods you did with Pam
Speaker 1: over there at odd Shark, which was wonderfully done. Once again,
Speaker 1: I urged people to go listen to it and watch it.
Speaker 1: That Earnest at one point was sort of a darling
Speaker 1: in the Republican Party actually delivering a state of the
Speaker 1: Union response not really the case anymore, huh. You know
Speaker 1: Johnny Earnest, So I'm quick and hard. Johnny Earnest, when
Speaker 1: she first ran, had this advertisement she put on TV
Speaker 1: where she talked about growing up castrating hogs, and it
Speaker 1: became this metaphor for getting you know what out of Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. That hit the Iowa populist perfectly. I was
Speaker 1: a really politically savvy state because of the Iowa CAUCUSUS.
Speaker 1: They take absurd pride in being the presidential wine tasters
Speaker 1: of the United States and the people who shall sample
Speaker 1: our presidential candidates first every four years, so they pay
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. And the problem was promising to
Speaker 1: go to d C and clean up the swamp is
Speaker 1: a singular senator from Iowa. We can't do it, and
Speaker 1: I don't think even Mr Smith could do it these days.
Speaker 1: So John Earns is taken a hit because of that.
Speaker 1: But I think she's minus one or so. It should
Speaker 1: hold Republican. I live gotten margin land more Republican over
Speaker 1: the years. I haven't seen a huge Democratic investment in
Speaker 1: the state. I don't think Joe Biden has much of
Speaker 1: a chance of winning the state upily enough, so johny
Speaker 1: Arns should pull it out. But this is not the upstart,
Speaker 1: enthusiastic promising candidates she was just a few years ago.
Speaker 1: So Jody Earn should pull it out. Am, I to understand,
Speaker 1: you also said Republicans to win the electoral college. Their
Speaker 1: minus one eighty three on the Republicans. What I'm seeing
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, I don't love the line, but anything
Speaker 1: under minus two hundred, I think there's value on the
Speaker 1: Republicans to hold the electoral college in Iowa, which again
Speaker 1: not terrifically consequential to hold for Trump. And it's not
Speaker 1: that any electoral another red state, as you said, Pam,
Speaker 1: Iowa anything well from a voting from a voter turnout perspective,
Speaker 1: you're looking at Iowa, which has hit six eight thousand ballots,
Speaker 1: received that number in two thousand and sixteen forty two.
Speaker 1: It is you take it for what you will. We
Speaker 1: there's no it's too early have right now obviously to
Speaker 1: know are those Republicans or those Democrats. But those are
Speaker 1: the numbers that are being thrown out. So that's something
Speaker 1: to consider. Yeah, because that's obviously the obvious follow up
Speaker 1: is do we know what that means? Right? I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people will assume, oh, that must be
Speaker 1: Democratic voters primarily, but we don't necessarily know that from
Speaker 1: a static state perspective. Last commercial, I promise, uh, and
Speaker 1: we will get to the general market here on the
Speaker 1: h the presidential race itself, Biden right around two dollar favorite.
Speaker 1: Will update it here momentarily, and the notion of just
Speaker 1: how much might either Republicans or Democrats win this Trump
Speaker 1: or Biden? Coming back in numbers game at Visa the
Speaker 1: sports betting network. Uh, it is Gil Alexander. It is
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Speaker 1: betting market talk. Looking forward to summary of the best
Speaker 1: bets in the visa email. You can we throw those
Speaker 1: in the visa and email? Are we allowed to do that? Jason?
Speaker 1: Jason looking at me terrified. I will find out Jason's
Speaker 1: like oh no, this is the worst moment of my life.
Speaker 1: Do I have to include all these in the email?
Speaker 1: Hank deal, great interview, thank you, it's all. It's all
Speaker 1: pam and uh and Mac Barton bands one more time
Speaker 1: Presidential wine Tasters. Oh my god, what a great line
Speaker 1: word smithing at its fines, on and on and all.
Speaker 1: We could read these all day. We appreciate all the
Speaker 1: response to Pamela and Mac. I lied, guys one last
Speaker 1: state because I feel like I gave short shrift here
Speaker 1: to Ohio, where the electrical the electoral vote rather is
Speaker 1: Republicans minus two fifty five at Democrats plus two oh six.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts there? No Republican has won the president too
Speaker 1: without winning the state of Ohio, as best I can tell.
Speaker 1: I think since like the invention of the cotton gin
Speaker 1: or something among those lines. Uh, if it's going to flip,
Speaker 1: this is the election, right, There is this scenario where
Speaker 1: Biden just runs the board huge in which gets Ohio
Speaker 1: will be a domino that falls with the rust belt. Uh.
Speaker 1: Looking at the line, you know, if you're getting plus
Speaker 1: two something close to plus three something, there might be
Speaker 1: some thing value there in the Democratic bet. But I
Speaker 1: would say that it's small. Tun get too excited. Eli
Speaker 1: Whitney reference cases at plus Jason marked that down as well.
Speaker 1: Pam anything there, Uh No, I actually had Ohio was
Speaker 1: one of the early videos that I had done in
Speaker 1: I believe it was like June July before people were
Speaker 1: pegging this as a potential flip. So I just want
Speaker 1: to toot my own horn that hey, I did. I
Speaker 1: was out there first, Orange too did. Well. Let me
Speaker 1: let me start with you, Pamela on the general then
Speaker 1: all right, Joe Biden, Donald Trump right now? And you
Speaker 1: know better than anybody this changes daily, if not hourly.
Speaker 1: At this point, this has been all over the place.
Speaker 1: I got Biden at plus money earlier this year. That
Speaker 1: is obviously long gone. Uh it's at minus two oh two,
Speaker 1: is what I'm seeing right at the moment. Trump coming
Speaker 1: back at plus one seventy value on Trump, we usually
Speaker 1: gravitate towards the dog when talking value, or conversely, is
Speaker 1: there value instead on Joe Biden? Is that too low?
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm going to stick with without giving
Speaker 1: my politics, this is purely from what I see in numbers.
Speaker 1: I'm very much a numbers person, and what I can
Speaker 1: go off of is that there have been sixty two
Speaker 1: million votes that is already record breaking, on track for
Speaker 1: historic levels, that is fifteen million more at this time.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, people are not showing out if it
Speaker 1: was for the incumbent, it's potentially wanting change. And the
Speaker 1: reason one of the largest, the biggest issue is the
Speaker 1: handling of the pandemic. Now, no one is blaming Trump
Speaker 1: for the pandemic. Of course, his handling of it, I
Speaker 1: think is believe. He once said in February, this is
Speaker 1: going to be gone by April. It's gonna be gone
Speaker 1: by easter. Here we are in November. I heard a
Speaker 1: fascinating podcast that really opened up my eyes to seeing
Speaker 1: Biden as Valium. And it was a woman's coalition who
Speaker 1: was talking about how they've gone and this this is
Speaker 1: a group of women who either voted Republican and are
Speaker 1: now voting for Biden, or they voted for I'm sorry
Speaker 1: they voted for Trump and are now voting for Biden.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that they're saying was after
Speaker 1: Trump himself got coronavirus, they had their seven year old
Speaker 1: children tell them, mommy, why is the president not wearing
Speaker 1: a mask? I have to wear a mask every day
Speaker 1: at school. Why doesn't the president have to wear one?
Speaker 1: So it's just like that was eye opening to me
Speaker 1: because there's just a large demographic that we're not necessarily
Speaker 1: thinking of in terms of of money and value. It
Speaker 1: is it, it really is. I believe the key issue
Speaker 1: is the coronavirus, this pandemic, and I think if it
Speaker 1: wasn't in any other election year, I think Trump can
Speaker 1: definitely reading his spot. But because of the pandemic, in
Speaker 1: the situation that the country is still in, the cases
Speaker 1: are just increasing state by state across the country. We're
Speaker 1: going back to June July numbers. I really think that's
Speaker 1: just been the thorn in his behind that he wasn't
Speaker 1: wanting to. Uh, you can't predict. So I really do
Speaker 1: think that that minus two should actually be closer to
Speaker 1: minus two. Fifty mm hmm mac same smartest four words
Speaker 1: I'll say today. Pamela Muldonado is correct. Uh, there is
Speaker 1: an enthusiasm. Gamp I drove across America in the middle
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, actually drew from Vegas up to Main
Speaker 1: two to take airson business. There's a big spread in
Speaker 1: the yard signs, there's a big spread in flags, and
Speaker 1: that I think gives some false optimism on the Trump front,
Speaker 1: because the people who backed Trump love Donald Trump, but
Speaker 1: the numbers just aren't there. Trump is this guy holding
Speaker 1: an eight or nine card parlay or an eight or
Speaker 1: nine card round robin, who needs to pull out almost
Speaker 1: everyone with possibly one exception. And when we talk about
Speaker 1: them in a vacuum, we say, Okay, there's a path
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, there's a path in Pennsylvania, there's a path
Speaker 1: in Arizona. But for those all to fall rapidly, it's
Speaker 1: just statistically improbable to a spectacular degree. Minus two or
Speaker 1: two is a steel. Pam said she sees value that
Speaker 1: up to minus two fifty. I see value it up
Speaker 1: to minus three fifty. I think the odds of Joseph
Speaker 1: Robinant Biden being sworn in our January are much better
Speaker 1: than four to one. And to the people then who
Speaker 1: would say, whoa wait a minute, everybody, Hillary was up
Speaker 1: in the polls four years ago, and look what happened.
Speaker 1: And even though it's a you know, let's let's be honest.
Speaker 1: The polls are are a little more in favor of
Speaker 1: Biden seven days out than they were in favor of Hillary.
Speaker 1: Let's make that clear as well. But to the people
Speaker 1: who say, hey, polls, schmolls, as my mother used to say,
Speaker 1: what would you say to them in regard to the polls,
Speaker 1: Here's what I would One thing that I would say
Speaker 1: is that there's one key difference in regards to the
Speaker 1: polls from now is that one, Hillary never once reach
Speaker 1: the threshold during the entire election period. Biden has not
Speaker 1: only hit that, he has maintained that for months number two. Hillary,
Speaker 1: right around this time, all of the sentiment was actually
Speaker 1: shifting against her. Biden he has kept he is favorable
Speaker 1: in his personality, he is favorable in the economy, he
Speaker 1: is favorable in whatever poll imaginable. He has held his
Speaker 1: favorability something he not once hasn't shown a decline. So
Speaker 1: that would be two stark differences in my opinion, threshold
Speaker 1: maintained throughout the entire election process. Interesting, Mac, I think
Speaker 1: that's accurate. Um. Donald Trump ran four years ago campaigning
Speaker 1: on what he can do for the United States. This
Speaker 1: has largely been a campaign about the wrongs that have
Speaker 1: been done to him and why he deserves to be
Speaker 1: reelected for his own personal purposes. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a convincing message. He also won four years ago because
Speaker 1: people lied to bolsters, which is not uncommon. Right, people
Speaker 1: will say one thing on the phone because it sounds
Speaker 1: like the correct thing. They will then go standing and
Speaker 1: voting booth and notwithstanding a terrible access Hollywood tape, vote
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump. It's a little harder to do that
Speaker 1: when you're voting at the kitchen counter, with your spousing,
Speaker 1: your children hanging around. I think that's a small factor,
Speaker 1: But when it goes toward Biden, I just don't see
Speaker 1: Trump being able to string together in those states. Guys,
Speaker 1: for real. I could talk to you about this for
Speaker 1: another hour, but sadly we only have a minute left.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you this following question. If
Speaker 1: you then are following what you just said, you both
Speaker 1: believe that the value is on Biden. Uh. There are
Speaker 1: some markets by how much then will either the GOP
Speaker 1: win in the electoral College? If you believe that, by
Speaker 1: how much will the Democrats? Uh? And there are ranges
Speaker 1: on this and we could flash those up at Visa
Speaker 1: dot com and the Visa app. Um, what is your
Speaker 1: best And obviously this is where you really get into
Speaker 1: the weeds of electoral math. This state goes this way,
Speaker 1: if that state goes the other way. What's the range
Speaker 1: by which you think And you guys both said Biden
Speaker 1: that you think specifically Biden will win by and it's
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a one to nine, ten
Speaker 1: to ninety to fifty nine six nine, there's all kinds
Speaker 1: of ranges. Give be your best guess on that, pam Um.
Speaker 1: Without having to do all that math in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go with a landslide. Landslide, Wow, Mac,
Speaker 1: I see the electoral vote being somewhere in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: of three hundred to three twenty for the Democrats. I
Speaker 1: think there are enough states to get picked up that
Speaker 1: we land in there. You've got to look at some
Speaker 1: weird things to come out with the precise count, including
Speaker 1: what happens to the one weird congressional district in Maine
Speaker 1: that roots on the town. So that sounds like a
Speaker 1: triple digit electoral win or just shy of that is
Speaker 1: what I'm getting with three twenty. Well be the total
Speaker 1: electoral count, so that would be yeah, triple digit or
Speaker 1: just about their hundred or so or just shy yeah,
Speaker 1: Mac For standing Pamela mal Donado can't thank you too enough.
Speaker 1: Thanks for spending the hour. I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1: And again, congratulations to both of you on a great
Speaker 1: video pod that you did together which completely inspired this.
Speaker 1: So thank you to you both. Appreciate Pamela and Mack
Speaker 1: right here on the Numbers Game Advisa. We will talk
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