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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. Yep, it's the world's mos dangerous morning

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Speaker 2: to show to Breakfast Club CHARLAMAGNEA God, just hilarious. Dj Envy

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Speaker 2: is off today. But you know, May fifth is not

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Speaker 2: just single to mile, it is National Silence to Shame Day.

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Speaker 2: So we could not have National Silence to Shame Day

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Speaker 2: be happening without talking to the founder of Silence to Shame,

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Speaker 2: Miss Shanty Dos. Good morning, Shanty.

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Speaker 3: Good morning. It's so good to be here.

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Speaker 2: How you feeling have you?

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling good. It's a little cool in New York,

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Speaker 3: but feeling good. God woke me up this morning.

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Speaker 1: And it's so bipolar Hea. And in New York, like

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Speaker 1: two days ago, girl was like ninety threes and then

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Speaker 1: now it will be forty nine today.

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Speaker 3: It's like that in the A two a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But congratulations to you. Is honor to be on the

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Speaker 3: show with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Now May fifth is National Silence

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Speaker 2: to Shame Day for the people who are new here.

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Speaker 2: What is National Silence to Shame Day? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So you know my nonprofit Silence to Shame we exist

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Speaker 3: to empower and educate communities around mental health and wellness,

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Speaker 3: and so I made up my own day seventeen and

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Speaker 3: we got like ninety million impressions that year, and so

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Speaker 3: I thought, okay, let me apply to the National Day register.

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Speaker 3: So it's a day of awareness. It's actually an official day,

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Speaker 3: and so we utilize that day to really continue to

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Speaker 3: normalize the conversation, encourage people to post, encourage people to

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Speaker 3: donate to our organization because we are still a small

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Speaker 3: nonprofit doing mighty work, and we also have an app

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Speaker 3: excited about it. Two years ago we partnered with Dereil

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Speaker 3: and so here we are two years later. It's a

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Speaker 3: free mental health app call Silence the Shame. If you

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Speaker 3: daily content, updated mindfulness moments, daily dosage. So we might

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Speaker 3: be able to you know, repurpose content from a lot

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Speaker 3: of our old community conversations, new conversations. As you know,

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Speaker 3: able to push resources. And again, the goal is to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I like that idea because so many

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Speaker 2: people are also addicted to their phones, and we know

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Speaker 2: So if you're already addicted, why not give them something

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and as you said, you know this smartphone right here,

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Speaker 3: And then also we're going to be doing Instagram lives

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Speaker 3: going to be talking to Christa Renee, the actress from

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Speaker 3: Sisters who is our official ambassador. Also doctor Raquel Martin

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Speaker 3: who is a phenomenal Sister out of Tennessee and she

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Speaker 3: is a psychologist. My brother Ronnie, who is also a

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Speaker 3: The one thing I am excited about is, you know,

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Speaker 3: this generation is openly talking about it. Right. One of

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Speaker 3: I'm just really excited to be working alongside such great

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Speaker 2: It all, but just work is more fulfilling.

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Speaker 3: Though it is, And I have my own staff, I'm

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Speaker 3: For Ego while worked with rig Because I got hired

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Speaker 3: And I, Lily literally used to go to the dungeon.

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Speaker 2: And it was really red clay on the Florida studio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did the passing a regal wave impact you personally?

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Speaker 3: It was really difficult. I remember getting that call excuse

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Speaker 3: But I cried a lot. You know, I went over

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Shanty. You love the work that you're doing too.

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Speaker 2: Always it's Shanty Dodge National Silence to Shame Days. This Sunday,

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