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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Con

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Speaker 1: The o C Savior Episode nine total bullshit. Let me

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Speaker 1: The sentencing hearing for con artists Lizzie Maulder is unusually

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Speaker 1: Well you'd call it a fraudulent conveyance. That would be

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Speaker 1: She's required to be truthful at all times with pretrial services,

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Speaker 1: on Queen of the Con The O C Savior, I

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Speaker 1: to high school together. We examine Lizzie Mulder's crime ridden adolescence,

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Speaker 1: so she was always scamming since she was a child.

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Speaker 1: And I take some of those voice changing apps on

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Speaker 1: a disturbing test drive. I sound like a real live

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Speaker 1: woman using this one. I don't sound like me Jonathan

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