Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're.
Speaker 2: Ambition, ambition, ambi, Hey, image are you to? Overall?
Speaker 3: I got bluesy at the end. I'm doing great, actually good.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not taking that for granted. Today is
Speaker 3: a good day. Good. I only got a few hours
Speaker 3: of sleep the past two nights, and I have a
Speaker 3: huge I'm doing my career. I'm doing a career pivot
Speaker 3: webinar tonight. Uh will you guys hear this that it
Speaker 3: will have been passed, But just know that I decided.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're just gonna be tired, but you're gonna
Speaker 3: like go, You're gonna muscle through and it's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 3: I feel very like optimistic about it. I feel like
Speaker 3: I can do it. I lost a little bit. I
Speaker 3: lost so much mojo this past year, But did you
Speaker 3: know that mojo is not a finite resource, like you
Speaker 3: can find more of it. I'm just like excavating. I
Speaker 3: just had to go find, you know, a new fertile
Speaker 3: land where mojo could flourish. And finally, yeah, some mojo's
Speaker 3: coming back.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that so well.
Speaker 2: You know, let's put a pin and I have actually
Speaker 2: I have some I have a question. It's some negotiating advice.
Speaker 2: So maybe it said a brown break, brown boost. We
Speaker 2: can do like, oh, ask and ask Mandy.
Speaker 3: Oh I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So just because you know my memory, I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's see, I'm put it out there. I'm putting it
Speaker 2: on you to remind me to remember my question.
Speaker 3: Okay. Oh god, okay, between the two of us, maybe
Speaker 3: maybe tell Tanya, maybe tell producer Tanya. I want to
Speaker 3: hear about So at this point, are you, like, like
Speaker 3: I said, do you have a wing? I am at
Speaker 3: the west at the White House, Like, is there a
Speaker 3: budget nieu like chair desk? Like do you have a
Speaker 3: like a satellite situation you know where you have your
Speaker 3: own your own place there because you are you stay
Speaker 3: on that Amtrak train to DC.
Speaker 2: I know. I'm actually going back on Thursday. So for
Speaker 2: those of y'all who have been full lim wing, I
Speaker 2: actually was at the White House last Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I believe it.
Speaker 2: They had a congressional briefing, which don't ask me what
Speaker 2: that is. I guess it's a briefing from members of Congress.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming what it sounds like a congressional briefing, But
Speaker 2: this was specifically on student loans. And so the offices
Speaker 2: that led the briefing, well, the main office that led
Speaker 2: the briefing was Elizabeth Warren, Senator, and then she partnered
Speaker 2: with Rafael Warnock. Well, actually I think the office that
Speaker 2: led it was the Majority leader, like I said, Senate
Speaker 2: Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 1: He's a Senator from New York.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he is New York.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so it was him, and.
Speaker 2: Like I said, Elizabeth Warren, Raffial Warnock. Remember Raffia Warnock.
Speaker 2: We was all praying that he won that election, remember Georgia, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: we talked about it here. And then also to Representative
Speaker 2: ayan La Presley, you know, the represent the beautiful black
Speaker 2: woman who shaves her head.
Speaker 1: Well, she didn't shave her head. I can't remember why.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was alopecia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was alopecia. Yes, yeah, I think she was
Speaker 3: sharing her journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just sol't.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been to the White House before and
Speaker 2: usually it's a bunch of creators like myself, twenty thirty,
Speaker 2: fifty of us, but it was only six of us
Speaker 2: in this like okay, and so at the Capitol, which
Speaker 2: i've never been to the Capitol Building and so like,
Speaker 2: you know, you could got there early to go for
Speaker 2: a tour, but of course I was late, so I
Speaker 2: missed my tour. But then afterwards, the six of us
Speaker 2: were in this beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, you know, two hundred
Speaker 2: year old room where every gold leaflet is like you know,
Speaker 2: it just was a beautiful room and six six other
Speaker 2: financial creators and we got to meet Elizabeth Warren, not
Speaker 2: just meat but all of us literally for you guys, yes,
Speaker 2: They're like, we want to tell you what's happening with
Speaker 2: student loan debt?
Speaker 1: You sie, so like that.
Speaker 3: Means you were sitting like how far from Lizzie Warren?
Speaker 1: No, Like at one point, girl, I have a picture.
Speaker 1: We're like, hey, we took Selfie's girl. That's my homie.
Speaker 2: I actually invited her on the podcast and her Adamin, Yes,
Speaker 2: I know you suld be like, so you don't understand.
Speaker 3: Tiffany was like, I know this is the thing before
Speaker 3: I knew any of this, imagine. Tiffany's like, yeah, so
Speaker 3: I mean I know this person is like not a
Speaker 3: black woman, a woman of color. But I met Elizabeth
Speaker 3: Warren and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, what.
Speaker 3: Lizzie Warren is always invited to the Brown Ambition cookouts.
Speaker 3: Always I outstand her.
Speaker 2: She is, First of all, she's an educator, so you
Speaker 2: already know we was teacher teachery and then you know,
Speaker 2: you know she wrote a financial education book.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know that.
Speaker 3: You know, I turned a business insider forever ago, and
Speaker 3: so we.
Speaker 2: Talked about that, and she's just the warmest, kindest even
Speaker 2: her staff ord. She had these interns that actually later
Speaker 2: on gave us a tour and it would just kind
Speaker 2: of give us like the behind the scenes like about like,
Speaker 2: you know, how do We were asking like are you
Speaker 2: in school? They were like rising juniors and how did
Speaker 2: you get this position? And blah blah blah, and they
Speaker 2: were just like they loved working in her office, he said.
Speaker 2: She said, not all senators are superhands on with their interns,
Speaker 2: but she said she's superhands on. We get a lot
Speaker 2: of responsibilities. We don't just have to fetch coffee. They
Speaker 2: were just going on and on about how they're so
Speaker 2: happy that they're working in her office because it's just
Speaker 2: a really welcoming place for interns to really understand what
Speaker 2: does it look like to be in government.
Speaker 1: So so what was so special.
Speaker 2: So I didn't really understand all that was going to happen,
Speaker 2: But what was so special was that one we had
Speaker 2: this initial briefing where they really broke down all things
Speaker 2: student loans. And so next week, guys, Mandy's not gonna
Speaker 2: be here, so to just be me, we're going to
Speaker 2: just do a student loan special. So a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: if you want to pour your questions in, certainly you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on student loan dead but I'm
Speaker 2: going to share all that they shared with us, so
Speaker 2: you'll have.
Speaker 3: Like Warren's dats, So if you guys have questions Tiffany,
Speaker 3: it's like, now.
Speaker 2: So we can try to see we can get her
Speaker 2: on not for next week, but we'll do a student
Speaker 2: loan like cause there are some stats and some it
Speaker 2: was just incredible. And then after that so it was
Speaker 2: like I forget a staffer on her staff who kind
Speaker 2: of like broke down all things as we as it
Speaker 2: relates to student loan debt and student loan debt relief
Speaker 2: and in particular, and then you know, the senators came
Speaker 2: in and Representative Presley and we got to we did
Speaker 2: a rotation because it was only six of us, and
Speaker 2: so we got to spend like five minutes with each
Speaker 2: of them asking questions as it relates to your quote
Speaker 2: unquote constituents.
Speaker 1: So I got to ask, I am last.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, as a black woman, you know,
Speaker 2: and you're a black woman, you know, how do you
Speaker 2: see student loan debt relief? How would this affect this community?
Speaker 2: And so she got to share, and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, and so for each of them, I really
Speaker 2: got to ask questions. I recorded it, and so I'll
Speaker 2: go over in detail with all of them, share the
Speaker 2: questions I asked, and the and the you know, like
Speaker 2: the document they gave us that kind of just broke
Speaker 2: down what student loan debt relief looked like, looks like now,
Speaker 2: and hopefully look like moving forward with this administration. So
Speaker 2: it was it was incredible. It was really just like
Speaker 2: not me one of six in this room and at the.
Speaker 3: Time, proud of you.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: So I bet some creators got invited and they were like, eh, whatever,
Speaker 3: but like understanding that.
Speaker 1: There's only six people. So I'm just gonna be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say because normally I could talk a.
Speaker 2: Little shit, I could talk a little shit if it
Speaker 2: was a room full of people, but it was only six,
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm just gonna keep it cute.
Speaker 3: Like like you, I feel like like I'm so glad
Speaker 3: that you, uh whoever was in charge of inviting you,
Speaker 3: and you've gone a lot, and I think like sometimes
Speaker 3: especially in like creators, like not all you understand, like
Speaker 3: the not all of you, but some I just imagine
Speaker 3: they don't understand how important it is to be at
Speaker 3: that table. And I just feel like you're at this
Speaker 3: stage now where you can really maximize that time, and
Speaker 3: it's so great. I'm like, yes, of course you shan.
Speaker 1: To know, like what is happening? What's so what now?
Speaker 2: You know, like when I'm not just here for a
Speaker 2: photo app you know, like I want to understand. And
Speaker 2: I asked, are you know? I asked all of them,
Speaker 2: would you know I have a podcast? Would you be
Speaker 2: interested in coming on? So I a police person was like,
Speaker 2: here's my card, yes, you know, and Elizabeth the Warren.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna now that you guys.
Speaker 3: Better get ready. I have a lot of plans for
Speaker 3: the election run up because, like Tiffany, I think the
Speaker 3: whole conversation we had. I get the apathy level right now.
Speaker 3: I need Jesus Christ. It is so terrifying what's happening.
Speaker 3: But like I'm choosing, I think this is more important
Speaker 3: than ever to just like have interesting people on to
Speaker 3: remind us like shake, get shook, shaken up a little bit,
Speaker 3: like this is important. This is a moment. So I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Let's have the Iona Presley, Let's have Lizzie Warrenant.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I didn't. I didn't. I kept it light.
Speaker 2: That was just like I didn't want to invite her
Speaker 2: if you were like, you know, because people always ask
Speaker 2: me like, why don't you just I'm like, no, the
Speaker 2: podcast is a partnership. I always check with me and
Speaker 2: and to be like, how do you feel about this,
Speaker 2: you know? And if you're like, yeah, not so much,
Speaker 2: then not so much, you know, And so like you know,
Speaker 2: I knew I got on a PLUSZL you were like
Speaker 2: for sure, So I was like already I put out
Speaker 2: the invitation. But for Elizabeth Warner, I was just like,
Speaker 2: because we sent her black and brown women here. It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean we don't have other women, but we sent
Speaker 2: her them here, and it's are mindful that if we're
Speaker 2: going to bring someone who is not a black or
Speaker 2: brown woman that like, let me check even if we are,
Speaker 2: I still you know, check in, but especially you know.
Speaker 3: But Elizabeth, Yeah, Elizabeth Warren's policies directly impacted your community
Speaker 3: posit so many huge ways, especially because of her work
Speaker 3: in the consumer finance. And it's like yes always, so
Speaker 3: I think, allyship, she's got it and she's just a
Speaker 3: I'm just so glad she's on the hill. State farm
Speaker 3: agents are small business owners too, so they know how
Speaker 3: to help you choose personalized policies that fit your needs,
Speaker 3: like a good neighbor. State farm is there. Talk to
Speaker 3: your local agent today.
Speaker 2: So coming up now. So the next thing is I
Speaker 2: will be back in Washington for something separate. So the
Speaker 2: Black Chamber of Commerce and the Vice President hath invited
Speaker 2: a group of black business owners to the Vice President's
Speaker 2: residence official residence. I've never been there, and I've never
Speaker 2: met Kamala, you know, vice president a friend and like
Speaker 2: you know, like i've met the president and his wife
Speaker 2: obviously who did Sorry.
Speaker 1: That's my special.
Speaker 3: Differing for your computer.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I can't. I'm in DC speaking of.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like the energy like you know, DC was
Speaker 3: like she's giving us energy, you know, like DC.
Speaker 1: Is pulling from a special DC frame.
Speaker 3: I know what I was going to ask you, where's
Speaker 3: Corey Booker at? Why was he?
Speaker 2: I saw him for a second, and I like screamed
Speaker 2: Mayor Booker because that's what I'm used to. I forgot
Speaker 2: that he's like not the mayor of Yeah, but so
Speaker 2: I saw him, and so he didn't hear me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, that's right, he's not
Speaker 1: the mayor. But yeah, so I saw him. So there.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: You can go and like like a museum kind of
Speaker 1: take a tour.
Speaker 2: It's really beautiful but also too like you know, they
Speaker 2: take you like into these meeting rooms behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Who the offices, they have an internal is not a
Speaker 2: lots of recorded obviously a what is it called a
Speaker 2: train inside the Capitol building like like Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does girl. I was like, you know, like airport, yes,
Speaker 1: And it was so cool.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: It was just really like the building is beautiful, Like
Speaker 2: everybody was so nice. It's just really open about talking
Speaker 2: about student loan debt relief and how.
Speaker 1: It like it I will.
Speaker 2: They were really smart. This is her office was amazing
Speaker 2: because there were four of the six people there, it
Speaker 2: was four black women.
Speaker 1: And it's because student loan debt.
Speaker 2: Relief overwhelmingly would change the lives of black women and
Speaker 2: any other population in the United Stace overwhelming Like when
Speaker 2: I next week, when I share some of the stats,
Speaker 2: you guys are gonna be like, no way, yes, way.
Speaker 2: It overwhelmingly affects black and brown people, especially black people,
Speaker 2: and overwhelming affects women. And so the fact that it
Speaker 2: was reflected in the people that they chose to invite,
Speaker 2: you know, was it meant that you know, they're listening,
Speaker 2: you know, because they're like, this is who needs to know,
Speaker 2: Like this is what's on the line for you, And
Speaker 2: so yeah, it was just like, yeah, I'm excited to
Speaker 2: like have our student loan debt, so get ready ask
Speaker 2: your questions ahead of time. You will make it a
Speaker 2: student loan debt EPI when you know, man, day's I
Speaker 2: hear next week. But yeah, I mean I think you
Speaker 2: know the things that are happening. I'm excited too about
Speaker 2: this Thursday going to you know, I want to learn
Speaker 2: what is available for It's the black Chamber of Commerce
Speaker 2: and the vice president. So what is available for black
Speaker 2: folks in business? You know, like this is not you know,
Speaker 2: I want to know, Like, so you have me here,
Speaker 2: but for what end?
Speaker 1: And what can I take back?
Speaker 2: And you know, I have some questions to ask, like
Speaker 2: what is how you know we don't get any funding
Speaker 2: if we're not getting funding from VC funders, what funding
Speaker 2: is available?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying my best to find funding available
Speaker 1: for my business. Last year I almost went out of business.
Speaker 1: You know, any businesses almost went out of business, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been. So we know that small businesses.
Speaker 2: Are responsible for employing more people than large industry collectively.
Speaker 2: And so if I can't tell you how many of
Speaker 2: my friends almost went out of business, so we go
Speaker 2: out of business. You know, look at who's on my team.
Speaker 3: They look like me, you know, And so yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean look at the pandemic and like the rise of
Speaker 3: black female entrepreneurs, but like who's taking care of us?
Speaker 3: And yes, who's who wants to take invested interest in
Speaker 3: our success? Because like and personally too, like you, you
Speaker 3: have momentum when you start out, but the long road
Speaker 3: of entrepreneurship it's difficult there's going to come a time
Speaker 3: where you want those advisors to support. So I'm excited
Speaker 3: to hear what happens. Yeah, but while you were rubbing
Speaker 3: elbows with Lizzie Warren, I was hanging out don't be
Speaker 3: too jealous with Terry Igioma.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Last night, Trade traut Wait, Trade and travel Terry, you
Speaker 3: guys what you know? It was I So I spoke
Speaker 3: at finn CON's Women and Money event.
Speaker 1: In playing thank you.
Speaker 3: That pastel like short pants suit, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it, that's been in my closet for a long time.
Speaker 3: So I was very excited to take her out on
Speaker 3: the town and like give her the vibe that she deserved.
Speaker 3: And I had said yes to this a long time ago,
Speaker 3: and part of like I said, I mean, this past
Speaker 3: year husband has rocked me in so many ways that
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to talk about yet. But like last night,
Speaker 3: it was, I don't know, it felt like I was fresh,
Speaker 3: It felt like I was starting over again, and it
Speaker 3: was such a you know, wonderful event with women entrepreneurs
Speaker 3: in the personal finance space and so many Tiffany stands. Tiffany,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, like during my presentation
Speaker 3: some as I don't mention you, like just like I
Speaker 3: know they're gonna love this, but like, who's a fan
Speaker 3: of Tiffan, Any Tiffany fans, any Budget Mester fans. The
Speaker 3: whole room's like wow, no, like yeah, yeah yeah. And
Speaker 3: I'm like and and I'm just like I love being
Speaker 3: able to name drop Tiffany because I just get to
Speaker 3: enjoy all of your fam love. I just you know,
Speaker 3: just like warm up the crowd a little bit. Ay,
Speaker 3: So my name is made. But about that Budget Nista though,
Speaker 3: isn't she real?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
Speaker 3: But I I was there and Jamila's Souf Front from
Speaker 3: Journey to Launch was speaking, and Bernadette Joy, who is
Speaker 3: just such a brilliant MC kind of host, she was
Speaker 3: there guiding us through and if you're it just reminded
Speaker 3: me the importance of like getting together. They did a
Speaker 3: really good job of giving opportunities for people to talk
Speaker 3: to one another so that it wasn't just us time
Speaker 3: we have that twenty minute Yeah, well we didn't have
Speaker 3: just like twenty It wasn't like back to back speakers.
Speaker 3: It was we only had twenty minutes each and in
Speaker 3: between it was like, here are some conversation starters turn
Speaker 3: around and talk to other women, and she loved. Yes, oh,
Speaker 3: you guys already talked. It's so funny because I was
Speaker 3: talking to Jamila and I and and I just saw
Speaker 3: a silhouette coming through the door. Terry had this like brilliant,
Speaker 3: like dark peach like pants suit on. She was so beautiful.
Speaker 3: I just saw her silhouette and out of the corner
Speaker 3: of my eye and I was like, is that Terry?
Speaker 3: And I and I and I turned around and it
Speaker 3: was her. And I went and told her. I'm like,
Speaker 3: how did I know? It was just like there or
Speaker 3: the vibe or something. But I was so excited to
Speaker 3: meet her. And she is the sweetest human alive. And
Speaker 3: he so successful, Yes, yes, and humble and yeah. It
Speaker 3: was so funny because we were on the way to
Speaker 3: dinner after they had a big dinner down the street
Speaker 3: and we all had to like schlep over there in
Speaker 3: the hundred degree heat or whatnot, and we were like
Speaker 3: the strap the stragglers. You know, there's maybe a couple
Speaker 3: of us meet Terry, a couple of other people heading
Speaker 3: to dinner, and Terry, uh is behind me. And then
Speaker 3: I turned around and she's with another woman. Like another
Speaker 3: black woman who had attended and and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: my friend so and so, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: her friend's here, cool, cool, cool. And then we sit
Speaker 3: at this round table. We're at the table with the
Speaker 3: speakers and her friends at the table, and I was like, so,
Speaker 3: how did you and Terry meet? And the woman goes, oh,
Speaker 3: Terry just I just met her two minutes ago. I
Speaker 3: was at the sidewalk by myself and she invited me
Speaker 3: to this dinner and said she would speak. And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that is so Terry.
Speaker 1: She honestly is one of the nicest.
Speaker 2: If you guys don't follow Terry Ejama igoma I j
Speaker 2: e O m A T E R I Terry Ejama
Speaker 2: right on instad so. And then her business was called
Speaker 2: Trade and Travel, So Terry's business. I think she started
Speaker 2: it right before the pandemic, or started during a pandemic.
Speaker 2: It really took off. She's made literally.
Speaker 3: Before she's yes, so yeah, maybe the biggest teachable course.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so for like top teachable course.
Speaker 2: And y'all know, I partnered with her, and you guys
Speaker 2: have been still thanking me, like who are taking her course?
Speaker 1: So she and I were talking about that yesterday, but
Speaker 1: very six. So, I mean she's been very open. In
Speaker 1: like two years, she made like sixty million dollars.
Speaker 2: I could say that because she says that on her
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking about like on business, so this
Speaker 2: is tremendous. But also Terry is a very very very
Speaker 2: skilled trader like and so just recently she posted on
Speaker 2: Instagram how she is because Terry has also gone to seminary.
Speaker 1: So Terry has first of all, she's brilliant.
Speaker 2: She's went to MIT, you know, super smart, and then
Speaker 2: she was a I think a teacher, then her vice principal.
Speaker 2: But she's gone to seminary and and I don't know
Speaker 2: if she would call herself a pastor or, but you know,
Speaker 2: like just really is you know, connected to her the
Speaker 2: higher source that she believes in. And so anyway she
Speaker 2: has been going. She had posted on Instagram that she
Speaker 2: was at this kind of like preaching conference and people
Speaker 2: have been asking, hey, Terry, you've been like taking like
Speaker 2: a year off to like reconnect to other interests.
Speaker 1: Are you still trading? And she said yes.
Speaker 2: The beautiful part like about being a trader is I
Speaker 2: can decide when I want to be in and out,
Speaker 2: and she said, this morning, I just took this trade,
Speaker 2: and she sold a screenshot of it. She took a
Speaker 2: trade where she put in about two hundred thousand and
Speaker 2: it was with Apple and she withdrew or traded nine
Speaker 2: hundred thousand. Like what an incredible return can you imagine
Speaker 2: making in a day? And I remember the first time
Speaker 2: she made her first million dollar trade. She did it
Speaker 2: online and she was showing us, and I just thought,
Speaker 2: you know, so we were talking yesterday, I told her,
Speaker 2: because what I really love about Terry is that she
Speaker 2: will take She literally has a nonprofit where she gives
Speaker 2: especially like kids, and she she will trade specifically for
Speaker 2: that nonprofit, Like, oh, I'm going to make this trade.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm working on making a million dollar trades
Speaker 2: so I can give a million dollars to these children,
Speaker 2: the children focused organizations.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, I want to do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we were talking, That's what
Speaker 1: we were talking about last night.
Speaker 2: I said, I feel like everything that I wanted for
Speaker 2: myself and my family I've been able to accomplish, and
Speaker 2: now I want to be me. I'm altruistic, like quietly,
Speaker 2: you know, people come out, reach out to me, like
Speaker 2: I'm always buying, Like you know, if a teacher comes
Speaker 2: to me and has like an Amazon, you know, like wishless,
Speaker 2: I buy it all out and things like that, like
Speaker 2: I'm putting a couple of kids through school. But I
Speaker 2: want to be big, like more altruistic in a bigger way.
Speaker 2: And I told her it's one of the motivations for
Speaker 2: me to learn how to trade, because I want to
Speaker 2: be able to say, oh, I took this fifty I
Speaker 2: made two hundred thousand, and now I can give it
Speaker 2: to this organization, like this is organization and Kenya I
Speaker 2: think about all the time when I went there that
Speaker 2: helped young women who were young teen moms, many of
Speaker 2: whom were pregnant through essay, sometimes from family members. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they even their own fathers and been thrown away. And
Speaker 2: so this wife and husband duo, they they started this
Speaker 2: like you know, beautiful place for these girls to live,
Speaker 2: but they didn't have mattresses, they didn't have this. And
Speaker 2: the woman was a nurse and what caused her to
Speaker 2: start this nonprofit in Kenya was that aby had been
Speaker 2: thrown in the garbage by a young girl. They found
Speaker 2: the baby, took them to the hospital, and she tried
Speaker 2: her best to save this little baby, and the baby
Speaker 2: did not make it, and she said, how do we
Speaker 2: get here? And she started to dig further back because
Speaker 2: so many babies were being brought to the hospital as
Speaker 2: a result of this, of young teen girls throwing the
Speaker 2: baby away because it was the only way they could
Speaker 2: be re entered back into their family. And so she
Speaker 2: realized that it was the teen girls she had to help.
Speaker 2: She could not wait until the baby was here and harmed.
Speaker 2: And so she, you know, at the time, she had
Speaker 2: this amazing boyfriend who is now her husband, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know how we're going to do is
Speaker 2: we don't have any money, but I feel compelled. And
Speaker 2: so when I went to Kenya, I donated, you know,
Speaker 2: a good amount of money to that organization. But I
Speaker 2: want to be able to be more regular and not
Speaker 2: that I'll make good money now, but I want to
Speaker 2: be able to do that. I want to be able
Speaker 2: to say, look, yo, I you know this year, whatever
Speaker 2: I trade, you know, I make two hundred three hundred thousand,
Speaker 2: and here are the four organizations that I'm going to
Speaker 2: give to. So she and I that's what we were
Speaker 2: talking about last night when she told me Mandy about
Speaker 2: you know, it's just another level of philanthropy that I
Speaker 2: feel like I can unlock. So I'm excited about like
Speaker 2: that journey because certainly I know how to invest in
Speaker 2: the basic form, like you know, I know how to
Speaker 2: pick my mutual fund because I mean, you know, what
Speaker 2: are we looking at? You know, I know to pick
Speaker 2: my little ETFs, I set it and forget it. But
Speaker 2: I want to be more active and that I don't
Speaker 2: know how to do. And Terry was like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: right here, Tiffany.
Speaker 3: You know, are you taking her course?
Speaker 1: I am so.
Speaker 2: I I got her course because before I even like
Speaker 2: knew new Terry, I had brought her course and so
Speaker 2: I watched some.
Speaker 1: But you know how it is with all you know,
Speaker 1: you just you know, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I realized that, yes, and now I'm ready to commit
Speaker 2: because for me, it's a bigger thing that I want
Speaker 2: to accomplish. But so yeah, I just say all that
Speaker 2: to say that Terry is one of the most dynamic,
Speaker 2: smartest but.
Speaker 1: Also so kind.
Speaker 2: You know all the stuff if you only knew some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that she does behind the scenes and
Speaker 2: service of other people, and so it was watching her
Speaker 2: do that through trading, like making all this money.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I mean you're not.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with a Gucci bag or a Lousvton whatever,
Speaker 2: but that's that's not Terry.
Speaker 1: She's making all this money and that's not where it's
Speaker 1: going because.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, she loves real estate because Harry likes
Speaker 2: to purchase properties, and then she likes being of service
Speaker 2: and that's about it. And so to watch that that's
Speaker 2: what wealth can look like as well, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of puts a little better in my back, Like, look
Speaker 2: what happens when black women have access to wealth. You know,
Speaker 2: like she gets to serve, like in a way that
Speaker 2: other people would not be looking at, you know, for
Speaker 2: other people that may be forgotten.
Speaker 1: So we just love Terry.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't matter if she worked at McDonald's
Speaker 3: or she had ten dollars in her back pocket. I
Speaker 3: just feel like she's just the kind of she's just
Speaker 3: good people. And I don't know, I just felt the
Speaker 3: vibe and I'm just like, will you just hang out
Speaker 3: with me for my life?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, I live in Puerto Rico, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it was an amazing event set and it also reminded
Speaker 3: me like if y'all are if you're listening and you're
Speaker 3: just feeling like you're in a rut for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: It can be your health, can be your career, it
Speaker 3: can be money, you're just feeling like, ah, just rusty, dusty.
Speaker 3: Find a community, like find an in person event that
Speaker 3: you can go to and just where you can engage
Speaker 3: with other people where you have something in common. So
Speaker 3: whether it's like a women's focusing or women of color focusing,
Speaker 3: or it's like the interest that you have, like, just
Speaker 3: go and connect. Because human connection it feels so like
Speaker 3: when you're in those moments where you're gonna run, like
Speaker 3: I have been like a lot, it can feel so draining,
Speaker 3: the idea of you're like I don't want that, But
Speaker 3: going toward the thing that seems like it's so hard,
Speaker 3: like you don't want to do, which is like connect
Speaker 3: and that human connection it hits every time. Man. It
Speaker 3: just like go with an open mind and let that
Speaker 3: reinvigorate you. And even if it's just one person that
Speaker 3: you meet or one conversation that you have. Last night
Speaker 3: was very healing and just lovely to be in such
Speaker 3: a warm, loving space.
Speaker 1: That's look at me. I'm just say yes past suit.
Speaker 2: At first I thought you just went, and then I
Speaker 2: was like, not her being on stage, okay, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I made a joke. I'm like,
Speaker 3: next time, I'm not gonna put the photoshopped image of
Speaker 3: myself quite so big on the first slide because the
Speaker 3: screen behind me was like life sized Mandy photoshopped with
Speaker 3: like real life Mandy not photoshopped. And I was like,
Speaker 3: let me just stand in front of her because y'all
Speaker 3: are no.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I was just love.
Speaker 3: It was like, wow, I heard not and not my
Speaker 3: friend on stage slag. I was like, oh, so my
Speaker 3: talk was how to negotiate, like how to negotiate contracts
Speaker 3: and rates.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, we're gonna take a break, I think,
Speaker 2: and come back brown. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a
Speaker 2: light brown break AKA ask Mandy.
Speaker 1: Can we do that?
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely? All right, We'll take a brand a rampy
Speaker 3: back in a minute, and we're that And now it's.
Speaker 1: Time for boost break up, boost up, break up, boost up?
Speaker 1: Break Are you gonna boost? Are you going to break?
Speaker 1: What you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You gon't say, I don't know if you want to
Speaker 2: go first with a booster break or you just want
Speaker 2: to answer my question, like how do you want to
Speaker 2: do this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go first because I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to feel about something that happened
Speaker 3: last night. You know how like when something happens and
Speaker 3: you just kind of you think you handle it okay,
Speaker 3: and then someone else comes to you they have a
Speaker 3: really intense reaction to it, and you're like, oh, wait.
Speaker 1: This is good. Look now that's asking each other questions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm all heres, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So last night I mentioned I was doing a presentation.
Speaker 3: I did a talk at this event, and I had
Speaker 3: chatted with a couple. I was talking with Terry and
Speaker 3: another woman at this event right before, and the woman
Speaker 3: ends up ends up that she runs an agency and
Speaker 3: she like reps brands who work with creators and all that.
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, amazing, because I'm to go
Speaker 3: up there and talk about like the negotiation process, and
Speaker 3: she was interesting. We will talk for a little bit
Speaker 3: and then I go on stage and I'm doing my
Speaker 3: thing and I'm like three quarters of the way through
Speaker 3: and I see her hand go up and this had
Speaker 3: not happened the rest of the night for any other speakers.
Speaker 3: Her hand went up, and because I had just spoken
Speaker 3: with her, I don't know. I was just I was
Speaker 3: just having a great time. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: do you have a question and she's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I have a tip, Like I have a tip, and
Speaker 3: she like and it was actually really yeah, don't see
Speaker 3: your face, and it threw me a little bit, but
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just going with it, like you
Speaker 3: have something to add, okay. So she just I mean,
Speaker 3: she's like one thing, She's like an asterisk to whatever
Speaker 3: I was saying, I have an asterisk. And she shared
Speaker 3: her tip and I was like, oh, that's a and
Speaker 3: I just like complimented her in the moment. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: that's a great tip, thank you so much. And then
Speaker 3: I very quickly and I had to do like real
Speaker 3: quick mental math to tie it back in to what
Speaker 3: I had been talking about, and it really could have
Speaker 3: thrown me off, but I was just proud that I
Speaker 3: stayed in the moment. I let her say her thing,
Speaker 3: and I just like kept going, and you know, I
Speaker 3: was like, not didn't feel amazing, but you know, I
Speaker 3: got through it okay, and I kept going. And then
Speaker 3: later on when we were all leaving, one of the
Speaker 3: organizers came up and she was like, what was that about.
Speaker 3: I was about to go over there and I was
Speaker 3: about to say something. I was like, and I was like,
Speaker 3: it's okay. I wasn't upset like I but it did
Speaker 3: make me feel It reminded me of those times when
Speaker 3: you were like at work or you're in a meeting
Speaker 3: and you're speaking up and for some reason people talk
Speaker 3: over you. And I just wonder, was it because I
Speaker 3: don't know that I make her feel like I was
Speaker 3: like overly friendly? Did she think that I was like
Speaker 3: someone that she could like walk over like. I don't know, Like,
Speaker 3: I just didn't know what was it about me that
Speaker 3: made her feel like let me raise my hand and
Speaker 3: interrupt this person who's giving a speech, like giving a talk. No,
Speaker 3: And I think I handled it, okay. I still don't.
Speaker 3: I'm still not mad.
Speaker 1: I liked her.
Speaker 3: She's she had a lot, she was very smart. Oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't mention during her comment was also and here's
Speaker 3: the right person to ask about this topic? And she
Speaker 3: like spelled out the name of the person that she
Speaker 3: wanted everybody to go and follow wha, that's.
Speaker 1: A little that's a that's so do you let me
Speaker 1: leave with that?
Speaker 3: Because at first I was like, oh, sorry, I forgot
Speaker 3: until just now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, can I give you some feedback?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, One, she wouldn't have done that to a man.
Speaker 1: You know, let's just put that out there.
Speaker 2: She would not have done that to a man because
Speaker 2: first of all, he was not gonna wait, he's not
Speaker 2: picking on her to raise her hand. And two, you know,
Speaker 2: you know in general, the one it's like, girl, if
Speaker 2: the girls wanted to hear from you, you'd be on stage.
Speaker 2: But you know sometimes that's happened before. People someone would to.
Speaker 1: Have something to say.
Speaker 2: But you know, I typically and it just is just
Speaker 2: you know, you can always say, hey, I I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take any questions or comments at the end if we
Speaker 2: have time.
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I usually would do.
Speaker 2: Depending on like you know, like I can I can
Speaker 2: get you know, you gauge the audience, like if it's
Speaker 2: a small group, sometimes I don't mind, like kind of
Speaker 2: a you know, call and repeat.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a huge audience. It was maybe like one
Speaker 3: hundred women, so it felt intimate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also too, you had twenty minutes. This is
Speaker 2: not an hour long talk, so it's also there's that too,
Speaker 2: to keep it. You know, what she did was wrong
Speaker 2: and rude, so let's just put that out there. I
Speaker 2: should have started with that it was wrong and rude.
Speaker 2: That like one, you have a tip. That's a tip
Speaker 2: that she could because she felt like I'm the authority
Speaker 2: in this because I'm the brand person.
Speaker 1: Well, girl, find you a stage, find you a stage,
Speaker 1: and do that, and then this is who you need
Speaker 1: to ask girl, I I the expert is in the room.
Speaker 2: That is now that is rude. That would have got
Speaker 2: a hey, I didn't like that you did that. Like
Speaker 2: it's one thing, I have a tip, it's another thing
Speaker 2: to redirect people to someone else. And I might have
Speaker 2: said because honestly, sometimes depending what kind of mood you get,
Speaker 2: I might have said something snarky, funny where it's he
Speaker 2: he had had not really like wow.
Speaker 3: Not you, not you?
Speaker 2: Not you suggesting an expert when the experts on stage,
Speaker 2: you know, like, no, no, you don't. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you should have done that, because that's so Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be the bigger person and I Also,
Speaker 3: it's a women's event, like we're supposed to be there
Speaker 3: supporting each other. I didn't want to set a tone
Speaker 3: of like like is she being catty? Is she trying
Speaker 3: to come Like I feel confident enough at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I am the one on stage, so
Speaker 3: I feel like I have more the power in that situation.
Speaker 3: I don't want her to like I don't know, I
Speaker 3: I but it's something that you wake up the next
Speaker 3: day and you're like, huh, that happened. And now that
Speaker 3: I've said it out loud on the podcast.
Speaker 1: To her, yeah, there we reach out to her. I will. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was a lack of self awareness and it was rude.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying because you can be rude and not
Speaker 2: intentionally rude. Sometimes we're rude because we didn't you know,
Speaker 2: cause it's like, girl, don't do that, and it's good
Speaker 2: if you return.
Speaker 3: Last speaker, it did not happen to anybody else.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm just like, because also too, she has
Speaker 2: to learn don't do that, because here's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: You're gonna find somebody who's gonna tell you off, and
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be like.
Speaker 3: Wait, what I did not know, So she's gonna pick
Speaker 3: the right one and girl, and.
Speaker 1: The right and the wrong one at the same time.
Speaker 2: Like I said, depending on what kind of mood I
Speaker 2: was in, I was gonna give you, oh, thank you
Speaker 2: so much and moving along like you did, or because
Speaker 2: I've done a little snarky comeback, because for whatever reason
Speaker 2: I was, I was in that mood where I'm just like,
Speaker 2: not you disrespecting the speaker that's here, and that way.
Speaker 3: She could be a good one because this I'll save
Speaker 3: that in my pocket for negative that happens again. Well,
Speaker 3: I think if it happens again, I'll just I was
Speaker 3: just about to tell you to guess no, it was
Speaker 3: a white woman.
Speaker 1: Of course, girl, I knew.
Speaker 2: Please, That's what I was gonna say, because the question
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you know a question I want
Speaker 2: to ask, yes or no. Yeah, it's the entitlement wait woman, Yeah,
Speaker 2: to be lucky depends. Like I said, if I was
Speaker 2: in a real bad mood, I would have ended with
Speaker 2: it's the entitlement for me.
Speaker 3: Am I right, I can't wait to turn this into
Speaker 3: a clip. It's good, this little nugget. All right, thank
Speaker 3: you for helping me work through that, What have I
Speaker 3: learned that I know what I'm going to say next time,
Speaker 3: and I'm also going to reach out to them and
Speaker 3: just yeah, let them know that that how that made
Speaker 3: me feel. And don't do that again, lady.
Speaker 1: Don't do that again. Yeah, because the next problem is
Speaker 1: kind all right, Well, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Mine is a brown break.
Speaker 2: So I have been getting a lot, I know, a
Speaker 2: lot of requests for speaking. I do want to say, like,
Speaker 2: in the last two weeks or so, maybe like five
Speaker 2: or six people finding my damns. And so either one
Speaker 2: they're like, wall you want to get paid? Wait no,
Speaker 2: or they're like, here's two dollars and fly yourself down,
Speaker 2: find your own hotel. The last one was the most egregious.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it real light because I just want
Speaker 2: to say I don't I'm okay. The last one the
Speaker 2: most egregious because it was a big, big, big billion
Speaker 2: dollar brand who wanted me.
Speaker 1: The jokes is right themselves.
Speaker 2: They wanted me to speak on a panel about equal
Speaker 2: pay and equal access to credit. Because it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, like there's like you know, I guess you know,
Speaker 2: in the seventies, women got the ability to get credit
Speaker 2: cards without their husbands and their fathers whatever. And so
Speaker 2: the panel was about equal paying, eco access to credit.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, okay, hey, so you know I had
Speaker 2: my booking person. I have a booking person that like
Speaker 2: works on commission. It was like, you know, Tiffany equal
Speaker 2: pay and equal access credit or something. She's really passionate
Speaker 2: about it. So she has a woman of colorr blah
Speaker 2: blah oftentimes whatever like all that would love to know
Speaker 2: more details daytime and budget for her to come speak.
Speaker 1: Of course they came back. Wait, like Dge, we was hoping,
Speaker 1: like it's a really good room for her to be in.
Speaker 3: Girl, not exposure girl not paying a.
Speaker 1: Black woman to talk about equal pay for exposure? Not
Speaker 1: not in on Harriet tubbans Internet.
Speaker 3: Not what I'm short circuiting.
Speaker 2: I mean, I said, not you writeing equal pay and
Speaker 2: say can you work for free to a black woman?
Speaker 3: I mean them before? Have you worked with them before?
Speaker 1: Not in this capacity?
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm talking to keep it light because I'm
Speaker 2: just like you know, but I just was like, I
Speaker 2: wasn't surprised by it, but so annoyed.
Speaker 1: Would you love to jump in a call to say
Speaker 1: what to say we're not gonna pay you, but girl,
Speaker 1: you be in the you could be in the rooms, girl.
Speaker 1: And I just like, I was so annoyed because that's
Speaker 1: not the that's the norm, rather than the like, you
Speaker 1: know me, it'd be one thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh these one off No, Like more and
Speaker 2: more people are really shocked, like, oh, Tiffany, we came
Speaker 2: to you because you're so amazing.
Speaker 1: Wait you want to be compensated.
Speaker 2: We thought we could get a blacker on a panel
Speaker 2: to make it look like, look we got a black
Speaker 2: go on that panel to show at quality.
Speaker 1: Oh but she's here for free. I just it was
Speaker 1: really annoying.
Speaker 2: So I just was like, yeah, I don't have the
Speaker 2: capacity to work for free. So thanks, so thanks, thanks
Speaker 2: so much for thinking of me. So my question to you,
Speaker 2: Mandra is oh, okay in these instances, because I feel
Speaker 2: like it keeps coming up and I'm like, what am
Speaker 2: I Am I positioning myself wrong?
Speaker 1: Where people?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously people pet there are some people who pay,
Speaker 2: but I would say the vast majority of people that
Speaker 2: are reaching out are either reaching out they have like
Speaker 2: two dollars or they want me to work for free.
Speaker 2: And I'm like so I'm asking myself to the same question. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're like, did I position myself correctly?
Speaker 1: On stage?
Speaker 2: But I'm like, am I positioning myself wrong? Like why
Speaker 2: do so many people think, ooh, we could get Tiffany
Speaker 2: to do it, you know, you know, and she'll do.
Speaker 1: It for free or for no money or you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah that and then when those things come in,
Speaker 2: are there some negotiating tips to try to open up
Speaker 2: the budget?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a really good question. It's also like, what
Speaker 3: is it about Yeah? I get it, it's a fair question.
Speaker 3: What is it about you that when you sit down
Speaker 3: and you're on the marketing team and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're playing this event, who can we book? And the
Speaker 3: budget's kind of tight, so you know, keep that in mind,
Speaker 3: and they're like, Okay, we're gonna ask Tiffany like like
Speaker 3: we could get her for what I don't know, excuse
Speaker 3: me from a negotiation standpoint, What I'll just say is, no,
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's I you can't control other
Speaker 3: people's bias and other people's like perception of you, and
Speaker 3: they're limiting beliefs about what you can and what you're worth.
Speaker 3: And what you're valued as. The only thing I would
Speaker 3: say is who's on the other side reminding people who
Speaker 3: the f you are and without being like it. You
Speaker 3: don't have like with your brand for example, like you
Speaker 3: don't have a corporate sponsor. Like for me for a
Speaker 3: long time, is this white guy who was my boss
Speaker 3: and he was in all the c suites and stuff,
Speaker 3: and he would bring up my name and he would
Speaker 3: like make people think of me the way that I
Speaker 3: deserve to be thought about. But until they hear it
Speaker 3: from themselves, and that's a part of the puzzle for
Speaker 3: a lot of women, especially women of color, who feel
Speaker 3: like they're not being paid their worth and they were
Speaker 3: in corporated, it's like that's kind of a missing puzzle piece.
Speaker 3: Is like having someone who can vouch for you and
Speaker 3: make people see you through their lens, okay, because unfortunately,
Speaker 3: until they hear it from someone that they do have
Speaker 3: that level of trust and respect for, they will take
Speaker 3: a look at you and their biases will win every time.
Speaker 3: You know, like even like forget about your followers. They
Speaker 3: may be coming to you for the first time, but
Speaker 3: they're not from your audience and they don't get it.
Speaker 3: They don't get the budget needs to affect the power
Speaker 3: of that brand. So yeah, that's what I feel. And
Speaker 3: you can't have a sponsor or a person in every
Speaker 3: marketing room with brands that you work for. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, like who on the other side, like
Speaker 3: the marketing reps and whatever, Like how can you get
Speaker 3: in front of them so that they can truly understand, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: if we go to Tiffany, like we need to come correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the thing is I mean, to be fair,
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking is not it's a thing that we
Speaker 2: don't pursue.
Speaker 1: It just will land. So I'm just like, oh if
Speaker 1: I get speaking work, because it's not the core center
Speaker 1: of the business. So like you know' I have other
Speaker 1: components of the business.
Speaker 2: Like for example, we just launch like for the book
Speaker 2: you know, Get Your Money, We actually today launches a
Speaker 2: get Go with Money planned, which is like because everybody,
Speaker 2: I mean, the book has just been doing so well,
Speaker 2: still selling about six to seven hundred copies a week
Speaker 2: still and people still are hitting.
Speaker 1: Me up for like I didn't understand this part and
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that part. So we have this like.
Speaker 2: Twelve twelve module like video series, you know, with like
Speaker 2: like checking for learning, and it's not just me that
Speaker 2: teaches it. Every module's taught by different educator and most
Speaker 2: of which are the ones who are also in the book.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not an attorney. I cannot teach you a
Speaker 2: state planning. So my estate planning attorney who I interviewed
Speaker 2: for the book and you know, and I told you
Speaker 2: guys about in the book, is the same one teaching
Speaker 2: that module, you know, And so I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2: So but what I love about that is that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, those are the things where my business is
Speaker 2: based around, right, But this.
Speaker 1: Speaking is kind of like, well, if at lands on
Speaker 1: my inbox and it makes sense, oh maybe I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I won't.
Speaker 2: So I you know, I haven't given it like some
Speaker 2: sort of like priority, but I guess that's the thing,
Speaker 2: like I maybe if to your pointfe I was like,
Speaker 2: because I know I could sign up with a speaking
Speaker 2: bureau who would be the person in the room for me,
Speaker 2: because my friend lovely told me. She was like, you know, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: I make seven figures a year speaking, but she speaks
Speaker 2: a lot. I can introduce you to my speaking bureau
Speaker 2: and I'm sure then I would get like, you know,
Speaker 2: it'd be different because that bureau would be like we
Speaker 2: only I'm sure the speaking bureau she's a part of
Speaker 2: only represents HI to your speakers and they enter into
Speaker 2: the room with my here's my roster versus people kind
Speaker 2: of find me online and honestly, what a lot of
Speaker 2: it ends up being, which is to your point, Mandy,
Speaker 2: is that it'll be an infinity group, a black and
Speaker 2: Brian infinity group who gets no respect, so they get
Speaker 2: no budget, and so it's this beautiful black woman who
Speaker 2: reaches out. It's like we don't really have which you know,
Speaker 2: so she's basically they're not paying me because this is
Speaker 2: the way they see her.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I said, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not that.
Speaker 2: I mean I've gotten you know, it's not often, but
Speaker 2: I've gotten six figures for speaking.
Speaker 1: But there's definitely been times when I have to really
Speaker 1: push back.
Speaker 2: I remember, I won't say the name because I would
Speaker 2: like to work with them again, but they came to
Speaker 2: me like, basically, why should we pay you on it?
Speaker 2: At the time, one of my speaking thing was fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. They wanted to pay me like ten and
Speaker 2: so like I had my admin at the time call.
Speaker 2: It was a black woman who reached out to me
Speaker 2: and so basically be like, cis, here's everything. Activity is accomplished.
Speaker 2: You know, like what you're asking of her.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's like, this is what you paid the
Speaker 1: other And she was like, you're right.
Speaker 2: We put a battery in her back, so it put
Speaker 2: a She then went to her this if I say
Speaker 2: this conglomerate, I mean it's huge, huge, huge, They're a TV,
Speaker 2: they're in amusement parks, they're everything, and so huge conglomerate.
Speaker 1: They paid me my fifty thousand. I think it was
Speaker 1: like thirty or fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: I can't remember whatever my price was at the time,
Speaker 2: and then came back later to apologize because they said
Speaker 2: it was so well received that I was right, that
Speaker 2: I was worth every penny, and so I appreciated that.
Speaker 2: That's why I'd like to work with them again. So
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to drag them, but it was an
Speaker 2: instance where I had to like really be like, don't
Speaker 2: ask me to do something, and I'll end with this story.
Speaker 2: It made me feel so bad. It was a big magazine.
Speaker 2: I'll give a hint, don't be late beyond anyway. So
Speaker 2: this big old magazine had reached out to me for
Speaker 2: what I thought was an interview. You know, we know
Speaker 2: you're a journalist. We don't pay people to be interviewed,
Speaker 2: you know. So they're like, oh, come into the art
Speaker 2: for the interview. We want to talk about money something.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, that's no problem. I having to bring
Speaker 2: Tracy come to the office. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: so cure, I'm getting like and they were like, we'd
Speaker 2: love it to be a video interview. I said, again,
Speaker 2: no problem. So I brought Leela, my makeup artist. But
Speaker 2: I thought this, this, this is a pretty big interview,
Speaker 2: like because you know, because this is not they're not
Speaker 2: a television show. So the setup was so like extravagant
Speaker 2: all the things. And before I know that we'd love
Speaker 2: for you to meet the client, I'm like, client, what client? Like,
Speaker 2: I'm here for an interview.
Speaker 1: This is isn't it. You know you're a journalistic an interview, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it? And like oh no.
Speaker 2: The client was like Procter and Gamble I think it was,
Speaker 2: or Dove or whatever, and I said that sounds odd.
Speaker 3: Girl.
Speaker 2: They ended up asking me questions about equal pay for
Speaker 2: black women. Do you know this was not an interview,
Speaker 2: This was a campaign. This is a campaign that they
Speaker 2: got good paid, good money from Procter and Gamble and
Speaker 2: Dove or whatever.
Speaker 1: The client is in the room loving me.
Speaker 2: They specifically asked me we loved Tiffany and they had
Speaker 2: me in there working for free, for free and tricking
Speaker 2: me with the interview.
Speaker 1: I was so pissed.
Speaker 2: I couldn't of course, you know, during the time of
Speaker 2: professional the client was like, I'm like, god, we love
Speaker 2: We're so happy we specifically asked for you.
Speaker 1: God da, I said, as I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: So I got back and I told my spokesperson agent,
Speaker 2: and she ripped them a new one. They ended up
Speaker 2: giving me some money.
Speaker 1: Because she was like, is this what we do?
Speaker 2: Now? Come for a press interview and then make it
Speaker 2: that it's a campaign being shot. That's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: When I charged for a campaign, you don't.
Speaker 2: Get to use my image to promote a brand that
Speaker 2: I did not agree to, because what if I was
Speaker 2: working with their competitor.
Speaker 1: It was really really bad.
Speaker 2: So it's not just me whining, Like when when when
Speaker 2: you know you're not getting paid big money. It's like
Speaker 2: this is what's out here, and so it's just really frustrating.
Speaker 2: And so now I have to ask when I do
Speaker 2: interviews that's not you know, with people who have not
Speaker 2: done interviews before, like is this being.
Speaker 1: Sponsored by someone else? Is this being this?
Speaker 2: Because I've done even like a magazine interviews where it's
Speaker 2: laden with all the sponsorship to make it seem like
Speaker 2: I'm agreeing with whatever product that they've laced through, and
Speaker 2: I've had to call them and say, you have to
Speaker 2: take that down because I'm working with a partner where
Speaker 2: I can't do that, you know, whether that's true or not,
Speaker 2: that's what I tell.
Speaker 1: Them, you know.
Speaker 2: And so it's just really frustrating. Like, you know, even
Speaker 2: at my the budgeties to just turned sixteen. So even
Speaker 2: after all these years and all the accomplishments and all
Speaker 2: the things, and the White House and the New York
Speaker 2: Times and Netflix and Knitted, I still got to manage
Speaker 2: the bullshit sometimes.
Speaker 1: So it's just frustrating.
Speaker 3: I think that we should expect. The uncomfortable truth here
Speaker 3: is that as black women, there is no like magical
Speaker 3: mountaintop where all of a sudden it's like everyone knows
Speaker 3: your worth and then just comes to you don't have
Speaker 3: to like fight for that recognition. I mean I think
Speaker 3: about Beyonce a little bit because she still does not
Speaker 3: get the recognition she deserves. And I'm like, if Beyonce
Speaker 3: still is not winning these Grammys, But you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like what makes us any different? And I
Speaker 3: think the negotiation tip here is to like never don't
Speaker 3: never get too comfortable. Always recognize that it's not good enough.
Speaker 3: Whatever they're offering you is probably not good enough, and
Speaker 3: that you are worth more. So I mean in our
Speaker 3: case is we can have an agent or someone to
Speaker 3: like be that person. Hopefully you turn to your agent
Speaker 3: or your yeah, whoever reps you in this situation and say, like,
Speaker 3: can you make it clear to them that this is
Speaker 3: the value I bring? So let them that person be
Speaker 3: your advocate and let them know, okay, next time, come correct.
Speaker 3: That's what I would say from a negotiation standpoint. They
Speaker 3: have to be they have to be smart enough to
Speaker 3: be excited as hell to find the budget for you,
Speaker 3: and sometimes we have to help them get there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of times you have to help them get there.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Girls, So if you are home, you know, listening, thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's not just you, you know, Unfortunately, this is the
Speaker 2: fight that we fight as people of color, as women
Speaker 2: of color in particular, and sometimes just any on. You know,
Speaker 2: oftentimes people don't see our value. But you know that,
Speaker 2: you know, I still try my best what I call
Speaker 2: illustrate my oprah. But some days it's just like, are
Speaker 2: you freaking kidding me? Equal pay for zero? They're my girl,
Speaker 2: come work this cotton field.
Speaker 3: And when those moments happen, it's like, don't give up.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just you have to have
Speaker 3: the right mindset, which is just like, okay, sometimes it
Speaker 3: should be happening. So let's just go back to reminding them,
Speaker 3: Oh this is this again. Okay, yes, girl, I.
Speaker 2: Said my whole media kid, it shows all the accomplishments
Speaker 2: and say yeah, unfortunately, boom here you go.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: So all right, y'all, well we don't see you. Well, no,
Speaker 2: we'll see you on Friday for b A qa A.
Speaker 2: Do we have any reviews before we jump off?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we did see a couple of new reviews.
Speaker 3: All right, let me go fine.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we've gotten like twenty new reviews just this month. Amazing.
Speaker 3: So last on a recent episode, we talked about your
Speaker 3: moving experience and trying to get your refrigerator. Did the
Speaker 3: refrigerator make it to you?
Speaker 2: No? It could not be work which one? So I
Speaker 2: haven't new one I know, thankfully though. My neighbor around
Speaker 2: the corner she had just called me. I was on
Speaker 2: the phone with her when they brought it over there, like, ma'am,
Speaker 2: this refrigerator is thirty inches, this doorway is twenty five.
Speaker 1: I was like, so the math is not mathing.
Speaker 2: Suck it in, girl, I know, can we just He
Speaker 2: was like no, And so I was on the phone
Speaker 2: with my neighbor and she her refrigerator literally just.
Speaker 3: Died and oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I just was like, girl, you want this refrigerator
Speaker 2: because it's just gonna be now, it's gonna be my driveway.
Speaker 2: And she was like really, are you sure? She said,
Speaker 2: you can always put it on Facebook market. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that in three months and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be rotten. Now just take the Dame refrigerator. And so
Speaker 2: it was my gift to her. And so look the
Speaker 2: world as the world turns.
Speaker 3: So I'm good now listen. Okay. So we had a
Speaker 3: commenter who said, I love that this is the review.
Speaker 3: It's not even a review, it's just a comment on
Speaker 3: our episode. It's like moving cross country as a single,
Speaker 3: middle aged black woman. Good experience because I took no furniture,
Speaker 3: ship boxes direct, shipped boxes early and got on the
Speaker 3: plane with four suitcases from California to Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Bye,