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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're.

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Speaker 2: Ambition, ambition, ambi, Hey, image are you to? Overall?

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Speaker 3: I got bluesy at the end. I'm doing great, actually good.

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm not taking that for granted. Today is

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Speaker 3: a good day. Good. I only got a few hours

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Speaker 3: of sleep the past two nights, and I have a

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Speaker 3: huge I'm doing my career. I'm doing a career pivot

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Speaker 3: webinar tonight. Uh will you guys hear this that it

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Speaker 3: will have been passed, But just know that I decided.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you're just gonna be tired, but you're gonna

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Speaker 3: like go, You're gonna muscle through and it's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 3: I feel very like optimistic about it. I feel like

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Speaker 3: I can do it. I lost a little bit. I

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Speaker 3: lost so much mojo this past year, But did you

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Speaker 3: know that mojo is not a finite resource, like you

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Speaker 3: can find more of it. I'm just like excavating. I

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Speaker 3: just had to go find, you know, a new fertile

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Speaker 3: land where mojo could flourish. And finally, yeah, some mojo's

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Speaker 3: coming back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love that so well.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's put a pin and I have actually

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Speaker 2: I have some I have a question. It's some negotiating advice.

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Speaker 2: So maybe it said a brown break, brown boost. We

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Speaker 2: can do like, oh, ask and ask Mandy.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So just because you know my memory, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: let's see, I'm put it out there. I'm putting it

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Speaker 2: on you to remind me to remember my question.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Oh god, okay, between the two of us, maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe tell Tanya, maybe tell producer Tanya. I want to

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Speaker 3: hear about So at this point, are you, like, like

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Speaker 3: I said, do you have a wing? I am at

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Speaker 2: I know. I'm actually going back on Thursday. So for

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Speaker 2: those of y'all who have been full lim wing, I

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Speaker 1: I believe it.

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Speaker 2: They had a congressional briefing, which don't ask me what

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Speaker 2: that is. I guess it's a briefing from members of Congress.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming what it sounds like a congressional briefing, But

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Speaker 2: this was specifically on student loans. And so the offices

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Speaker 2: that led the briefing, well, the main office that led

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Speaker 2: the briefing was Elizabeth Warren, Senator, and then she partnered

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Speaker 2: with Rafael Warnock. Well, actually I think the office that

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Speaker 1: He's a Senator from New York.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he is New York.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so it was him, and.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, Elizabeth Warren, Raffial Warnock. Remember Raffia Warnock.

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Speaker 2: We was all praying that he won that election, remember Georgia, Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: we talked about it here. And then also to Representative

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Speaker 1: Well, she didn't shave her head. I can't remember why.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been to the White House before and

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Speaker 2: usually it's a bunch of creators like myself, twenty thirty,

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Speaker 2: They're like, we want to tell you what's happening with

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Speaker 1: No, Like at one point, girl, I have a picture.

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Speaker 3: Lizzie Warren is always invited to the Brown Ambition cookouts.

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Speaker 2: She is, First of all, she's an educator, so you

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Speaker 2: So I didn't really understand all that was going to happen,

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Speaker 3: Time, proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 3: Like like you, I feel like like I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: I need Jesus Christ. It is so terrifying what's happening.

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Speaker 3: But like I'm choosing, I think this is more important

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Speaker 3: Let's have the Iona Presley, Let's have Lizzie Warrenant.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I didn't. I didn't. I kept it light.

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Speaker 2: That was just like I didn't want to invite her

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Speaker 2: I still you know, check in, but especially you know.

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Speaker 3: But Elizabeth, Yeah, Elizabeth Warren's policies directly impacted your community

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Speaker 3: posit so many huge ways, especially because of her work

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Speaker 3: in the consumer finance. And it's like yes always, so

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Speaker 3: I think, allyship, she's got it and she's just a

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Speaker 3: I'm just so glad she's on the hill. State farm

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Speaker 3: to help you choose personalized policies that fit your needs,

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Speaker 3: like a good neighbor. State farm is there. Talk to

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Speaker 2: So coming up now. So the next thing is I

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Speaker 3: Last night, Trade traut Wait, Trade and travel Terry, you

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Speaker 2: I'm putting a couple of kids through school. But I

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00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: want to be big, like more altruistic in a bigger way.

437
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 2: And I told her it's one of the motivations for

438
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 2: me to learn how to trade, because I want to

439
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 2: be able to say, oh, I took this fifty I

440
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 2: made two hundred thousand, and now I can give it

441
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: to this organization, like this is organization and Kenya I

442
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 2: think about all the time when I went there that

443
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: helped young women who were young teen moms, many of

444
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: whom were pregnant through essay, sometimes from family members. Sometimes

445
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 2: they even their own fathers and been thrown away. And

446
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 2: so this wife and husband duo, they they started this

447
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 2: like you know, beautiful place for these girls to live,

448
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 2: but they didn't have mattresses, they didn't have this. And

449
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: the woman was a nurse and what caused her to

450
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,479
Speaker 2: start this nonprofit in Kenya was that aby had been

451
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: thrown in the garbage by a young girl. They found

452
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: the baby, took them to the hospital, and she tried

453
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: her best to save this little baby, and the baby

454
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: did not make it, and she said, how do we

455
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: get here? And she started to dig further back because

456
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: so many babies were being brought to the hospital as

457
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: a result of this, of young teen girls throwing the

458
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: baby away because it was the only way they could

459
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: be re entered back into their family. And so she

460
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: realized that it was the teen girls she had to help.

461
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 2: She could not wait until the baby was here and harmed.

462
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: And so she, you know, at the time, she had

463
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: this amazing boyfriend who is now her husband, and she's like,

464
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know how we're going to do is

465
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: we don't have any money, but I feel compelled. And

466
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 2: so when I went to Kenya, I donated, you know,

467
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: a good amount of money to that organization. But I

468
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 2: want to be able to be more regular and not

469
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: that I'll make good money now, but I want to

470
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: be able to do that. I want to be able

471
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: to say, look, yo, I you know this year, whatever

472
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 2: I trade, you know, I make two hundred three hundred thousand,

473
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: and here are the four organizations that I'm going to

474
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: give to. So she and I that's what we were

475
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: talking about last night when she told me Mandy about

476
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's just another level of philanthropy that I

477
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: feel like I can unlock. So I'm excited about like

478
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: that journey because certainly I know how to invest in

479
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: the basic form, like you know, I know how to

480
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: pick my mutual fund because I mean, you know, what

481
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: are we looking at? You know, I know to pick

482
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: my little ETFs, I set it and forget it. But

483
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: I want to be more active and that I don't

484
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: know how to do. And Terry was like, well, I'm

485
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: right here, Tiffany.

486
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: You know, are you taking her course?

487
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: I am so.

488
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: I I got her course because before I even like

489
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: knew new Terry, I had brought her course and so

490
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: I watched some.

491
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: But you know how it is with all you know,

492
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: you just you know, I didn't.

493
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: I realized that, yes, and now I'm ready to commit

494
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: because for me, it's a bigger thing that I want

495
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: to accomplish. But so yeah, I just say all that

496
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: to say that Terry is one of the most dynamic,

497
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: smartest but.

498
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: Also so kind.

499
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: You know all the stuff if you only knew some

500
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: of the stuff that she does behind the scenes and

501
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: service of other people, and so it was watching her

502
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: do that through trading, like making all this money.

503
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I mean you're not.

504
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with a Gucci bag or a Lousvton whatever,

505
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: but that's that's not Terry.

506
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: She's making all this money and that's not where it's

507
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: going because.

508
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: She's like, no, she loves real estate because Harry likes

509
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: to purchase properties, and then she likes being of service

510
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: and that's about it. And so to watch that that's

511
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: what wealth can look like as well, you know, kind

512
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: of puts a little better in my back, Like, look

513
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: what happens when black women have access to wealth. You know,

514
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: like she gets to serve, like in a way that

515
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: other people would not be looking at, you know, for

516
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: other people that may be forgotten.

517
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: So we just love Terry.

518
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't matter if she worked at McDonald's

519
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: or she had ten dollars in her back pocket. I

520
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: just feel like she's just the kind of she's just

521
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: good people. And I don't know, I just felt the

522
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 3: vibe and I'm just like, will you just hang out

523
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: with me for my life?

524
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

525
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, I live in Puerto Rico, but yeah,

526
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: it was an amazing event set and it also reminded

527
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: me like if y'all are if you're listening and you're

528
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: just feeling like you're in a rut for whatever reason.

529
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: It can be your health, can be your career, it

530
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: can be money, you're just feeling like, ah, just rusty, dusty.

531
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: Find a community, like find an in person event that

532
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: you can go to and just where you can engage

533
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: with other people where you have something in common. So

534
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: whether it's like a women's focusing or women of color focusing,

535
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 3: or it's like the interest that you have, like, just

536
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: go and connect. Because human connection it feels so like

537
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: when you're in those moments where you're gonna run, like

538
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: I have been like a lot, it can feel so draining,

539
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: the idea of you're like I don't want that, But

540
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: going toward the thing that seems like it's so hard,

541
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: like you don't want to do, which is like connect

542
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: and that human connection it hits every time. Man. It

543
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: just like go with an open mind and let that

544
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: reinvigorate you. And even if it's just one person that

545
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 3: you meet or one conversation that you have. Last night

546
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: was very healing and just lovely to be in such

547
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 3: a warm, loving space.

548
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: That's look at me. I'm just say yes past suit.

549
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: At first I thought you just went, and then I

550
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: was like, not her being on stage, okay, I didn't know.

551
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I made a joke. I'm like,

552
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: next time, I'm not gonna put the photoshopped image of

553
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: myself quite so big on the first slide because the

554
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: screen behind me was like life sized Mandy photoshopped with

555
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: like real life Mandy not photoshopped. And I was like,

556
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: let me just stand in front of her because y'all

557
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: are no.

558
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I was just love.

559
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: It was like, wow, I heard not and not my

560
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: friend on stage slag. I was like, oh, so my

561
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: talk was how to negotiate, like how to negotiate contracts

562
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: and rates.

563
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, we're gonna take a break, I think,

564
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: and come back brown. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a

565
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: light brown break AKA ask Mandy.

566
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: Can we do that?

567
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely? All right, We'll take a brand a rampy

568
00:25:54,119 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 3: back in a minute, and we're that And now it's.

569
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: Time for boost break up, boost up, break up, boost up?

570
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: Break Are you gonna boost? Are you going to break?

571
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: What you gonna do?

572
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: You gon't say, I don't know if you want to

573
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: go first with a booster break or you just want

574
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: to answer my question, like how do you want to

575
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: do this?

576
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go first because I have a question for you.

577
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how to feel about something that happened

578
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 3: last night. You know how like when something happens and

579
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: you just kind of you think you handle it okay,

580
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: and then someone else comes to you they have a

581
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: really intense reaction to it, and you're like, oh, wait.

582
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: This is good. Look now that's asking each other questions.

583
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm all heres, go ahead.

584
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

585
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: So last night I mentioned I was doing a presentation.

586
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: I did a talk at this event, and I had

587
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: chatted with a couple. I was talking with Terry and

588
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: another woman at this event right before, and the woman

589
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: ends up ends up that she runs an agency and

590
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: she like reps brands who work with creators and all that.

591
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, amazing, because I'm to go

592
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: up there and talk about like the negotiation process, and

593
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: she was interesting. We will talk for a little bit

594
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: and then I go on stage and I'm doing my

595
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: thing and I'm like three quarters of the way through

596
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: and I see her hand go up and this had

597
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: not happened the rest of the night for any other speakers.

598
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Her hand went up, and because I had just spoken

599
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: with her, I don't know. I was just I was

600
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: just having a great time. And I was like, wait,

601
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: do you have a question and she's like, no, no, no,

602
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: I have a tip, Like I have a tip, and

603
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: she like and it was actually really yeah, don't see

604
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: your face, and it threw me a little bit, but

605
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just going with it, like you

606
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: have something to add, okay. So she just I mean,

607
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: she's like one thing, She's like an asterisk to whatever

608
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: I was saying, I have an asterisk. And she shared

609
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: her tip and I was like, oh, that's a and

610
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: I just like complimented her in the moment. I was like, okay,

611
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: that's a great tip, thank you so much. And then

612
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: I very quickly and I had to do like real

613
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: quick mental math to tie it back in to what

614
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: I had been talking about, and it really could have

615
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: thrown me off, but I was just proud that I

616
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: stayed in the moment. I let her say her thing,

617
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: and I just like kept going, and you know, I

618
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: was like, not didn't feel amazing, but you know, I

619
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: got through it okay, and I kept going. And then

620
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: later on when we were all leaving, one of the

621
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: organizers came up and she was like, what was that about.

622
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: I was about to go over there and I was

623
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: about to say something. I was like, and I was like,

624
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: it's okay. I wasn't upset like I but it did

625
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: make me feel It reminded me of those times when

626
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: you were like at work or you're in a meeting

627
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: and you're speaking up and for some reason people talk

628
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: over you. And I just wonder, was it because I

629
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: don't know that I make her feel like I was

630
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: like overly friendly? Did she think that I was like

631
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: someone that she could like walk over like. I don't know, Like,

632
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: I just didn't know what was it about me that

633
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: made her feel like let me raise my hand and

634
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: interrupt this person who's giving a speech, like giving a talk. No,

635
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: And I think I handled it, okay. I still don't.

636
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: I'm still not mad.

637
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I liked her.

638
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 3: She's she had a lot, she was very smart. Oh,

639
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: I didn't mention during her comment was also and here's

640
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: the right person to ask about this topic? And she

641
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: like spelled out the name of the person that she

642
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: wanted everybody to go and follow wha, that's.

643
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: A little that's a that's so do you let me

644
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: leave with that?

645
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: Because at first I was like, oh, sorry, I forgot

646
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: until just now.

647
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, can I give you some feedback?

648
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

649
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Well, One, she wouldn't have done that to a man.

650
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, let's just put that out there.

651
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: She would not have done that to a man because

652
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: first of all, he was not gonna wait, he's not

653
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: picking on her to raise her hand. And two, you know,

654
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: you know in general, the one it's like, girl, if

655
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: the girls wanted to hear from you, you'd be on stage.

656
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: But you know sometimes that's happened before. People someone would to.

657
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Have something to say.

658
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: But you know, I typically and it just is just

659
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, you can always say, hey, I I'm gonna

660
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: take any questions or comments at the end if we

661
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: have time.

662
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I usually would do.

663
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: Depending on like you know, like I can I can

664
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: get you know, you gauge the audience, like if it's

665
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: a small group, sometimes I don't mind, like kind of

666
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: a you know, call and repeat.

667
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't a huge audience. It was maybe like one

668
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: hundred women, so it felt intimate.

669
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also too, you had twenty minutes. This is

670
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: not an hour long talk, so it's also there's that too,

671
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: to keep it. You know, what she did was wrong

672
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: and rude, so let's just put that out there. I

673
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: should have started with that it was wrong and rude.

674
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: That like one, you have a tip. That's a tip

675
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: that she could because she felt like I'm the authority

676
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: in this because I'm the brand person.

677
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: Well, girl, find you a stage, find you a stage,

678
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: and do that, and then this is who you need

679
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: to ask girl, I I the expert is in the room.

680
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: That is now that is rude. That would have got

681
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: a hey, I didn't like that you did that. Like

682
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: it's one thing, I have a tip, it's another thing

683
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: to redirect people to someone else. And I might have

684
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: said because honestly, sometimes depending what kind of mood you get,

685
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: I might have said something snarky, funny where it's he

686
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: he had had not really like wow.

687
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: Not you, not you?

688
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: Not you suggesting an expert when the experts on stage,

689
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, like, no, no, you don't. I'm not saying

690
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: you should have done that, because that's so Yeah.

691
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to be the bigger person and I Also,

692
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: it's a women's event, like we're supposed to be there

693
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: supporting each other. I didn't want to set a tone

694
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: of like like is she being catty? Is she trying

695
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: to come Like I feel confident enough at the end

696
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: of the day, I am the one on stage, so

697
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I have more the power in that situation.

698
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: I don't want her to like I don't know, I

699
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: I but it's something that you wake up the next

700
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: day and you're like, huh, that happened. And now that

701
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: I've said it out loud on the podcast.

702
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: To her, yeah, there we reach out to her. I will. Yeah.

703
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: That was a lack of self awareness and it was rude.

704
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying because you can be rude and not

705
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: intentionally rude. Sometimes we're rude because we didn't you know,

706
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: cause it's like, girl, don't do that, and it's good

707
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: if you return.

708
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: Last speaker, it did not happen to anybody else.

709
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Girl.

710
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: That's what I'm just like, because also too, she has

711
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: to learn don't do that, because here's what's going to happen.

712
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna find somebody who's gonna tell you off, and

713
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be like.

714
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: Wait, what I did not know, So she's gonna pick

715
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: the right one and girl, and.

716
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: The right and the wrong one at the same time.

717
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Like I said, depending on what kind of mood I

718
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: was in, I was gonna give you, oh, thank you

719
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: so much and moving along like you did, or because

720
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: I've done a little snarky comeback, because for whatever reason

721
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: I was, I was in that mood where I'm just like,

722
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: not you disrespecting the speaker that's here, and that way.

723
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: She could be a good one because this I'll save

724
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: that in my pocket for negative that happens again. Well,

725
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: I think if it happens again, I'll just I was

726
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: just about to tell you to guess no, it was

727
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: a white woman.

728
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Of course, girl, I knew.

729
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: Please, That's what I was gonna say, because the question

730
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you know a question I want

731
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: to ask, yes or no. Yeah, it's the entitlement wait woman, Yeah,

732
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: to be lucky depends. Like I said, if I was

733
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: in a real bad mood, I would have ended with

734
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: it's the entitlement for me.

735
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: Am I right, I can't wait to turn this into

736
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: a clip. It's good, this little nugget. All right, thank

737
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: you for helping me work through that, What have I

738
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: learned that I know what I'm going to say next time,

739
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: and I'm also going to reach out to them and

740
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: just yeah, let them know that that how that made

741
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: me feel. And don't do that again, lady.

742
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Don't do that again. Yeah, because the next problem is

743
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: kind all right, Well, I have a question for you.

744
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: Mine is a brown break.

745
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: So I have been getting a lot, I know, a

746
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: lot of requests for speaking. I do want to say, like,

747
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: in the last two weeks or so, maybe like five

748
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: or six people finding my damns. And so either one

749
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: they're like, wall you want to get paid? Wait no,

750
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: or they're like, here's two dollars and fly yourself down,

751
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: find your own hotel. The last one was the most egregious.

752
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it real light because I just want

753
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: to say I don't I'm okay. The last one the

754
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: most egregious because it was a big, big, big billion

755
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: dollar brand who wanted me.

756
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: The jokes is right themselves.

757
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: They wanted me to speak on a panel about equal

758
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: pay and equal access to credit. Because it's like, I

759
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: don't know, like there's like you know, I guess you know,

760
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: in the seventies, women got the ability to get credit

761
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: cards without their husbands and their fathers whatever. And so

762
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: the panel was about equal paying, eco access to credit.

763
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: I said, oh, okay, hey, so you know I had

764
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: my booking person. I have a booking person that like

765
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: works on commission. It was like, you know, Tiffany equal

766
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: pay and equal access credit or something. She's really passionate

767
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: about it. So she has a woman of colorr blah

768
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: blah oftentimes whatever like all that would love to know

769
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: more details daytime and budget for her to come speak.

770
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Of course they came back. Wait, like Dge, we was hoping,

771
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: like it's a really good room for her to be in.

772
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: Girl, not exposure girl not paying a.

773
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Black woman to talk about equal pay for exposure? Not

774
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: not in on Harriet tubbans Internet.

775
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: Not what I'm short circuiting.

776
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I said, not you writeing equal pay and

777
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: say can you work for free to a black woman?

778
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: I mean them before? Have you worked with them before?

779
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Not in this capacity?

780
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: Hmm.

781
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: You know, I'm talking to keep it light because I'm

782
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: just like you know, but I just was like, I

783
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: wasn't surprised by it, but so annoyed.

784
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Would you love to jump in a call to say

785
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: what to say we're not gonna pay you, but girl,

786
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: you be in the you could be in the rooms, girl.

787
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: And I just like, I was so annoyed because that's

788
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: not the that's the norm, rather than the like, you

789
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: know me, it'd be one thing.

790
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: It's like, oh these one off No, Like more and

791
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: more people are really shocked, like, oh, Tiffany, we came

792
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: to you because you're so amazing.

793
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Wait you want to be compensated.

794
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: We thought we could get a blacker on a panel

795
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: to make it look like, look we got a black

796
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: go on that panel to show at quality.

797
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh but she's here for free. I just it was

798
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: really annoying.

799
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: So I just was like, yeah, I don't have the

800
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: capacity to work for free. So thanks, so thanks, thanks

801
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: so much for thinking of me. So my question to you,

802
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Mandra is oh, okay in these instances, because I feel

803
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: like it keeps coming up and I'm like, what am

804
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: I Am I positioning myself wrong?

805
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Where people?

806
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously people pet there are some people who pay,

807
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: but I would say the vast majority of people that

808
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: are reaching out are either reaching out they have like

809
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: two dollars or they want me to work for free.

810
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: And I'm like so I'm asking myself to the same question. Like,

811
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: you know, you're like, did I position myself correctly?

812
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: On stage?

813
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: But I'm like, am I positioning myself wrong? Like why

814
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: do so many people think, ooh, we could get Tiffany

815
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: to do it, you know, you know, and she'll do.

816
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: It for free or for no money or you know.

817
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: So yeah that and then when those things come in,

818
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: are there some negotiating tips to try to open up

819
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: the budget?

820
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah?

821
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a really good question. It's also like, what

822
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 3: is it about Yeah? I get it, it's a fair question.

823
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: What is it about you that when you sit down

824
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: and you're on the marketing team and you're like, Okay,

825
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: we're playing this event, who can we book? And the

826
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: budget's kind of tight, so you know, keep that in mind,

827
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: and they're like, Okay, we're gonna ask Tiffany like like

828
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: we could get her for what I don't know, excuse

829
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: me from a negotiation standpoint, What I'll just say is, no,

830
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's I you can't control other

831
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: people's bias and other people's like perception of you, and

832
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: they're limiting beliefs about what you can and what you're worth.

833
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: And what you're valued as. The only thing I would

834
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: say is who's on the other side reminding people who

835
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: the f you are and without being like it. You

836
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 3: don't have like with your brand for example, like you

837
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: don't have a corporate sponsor. Like for me for a

838
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: long time, is this white guy who was my boss

839
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: and he was in all the c suites and stuff,

840
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: and he would bring up my name and he would

841
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: like make people think of me the way that I

842
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: deserve to be thought about. But until they hear it

843
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: from themselves, and that's a part of the puzzle for

844
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: a lot of women, especially women of color, who feel

845
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: like they're not being paid their worth and they were

846
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: in corporated, it's like that's kind of a missing puzzle piece.

847
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: Is like having someone who can vouch for you and

848
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: make people see you through their lens, okay, because unfortunately,

849
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: until they hear it from someone that they do have

850
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: that level of trust and respect for, they will take

851
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: a look at you and their biases will win every time.

852
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: You know, like even like forget about your followers. They

853
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: may be coming to you for the first time, but

854
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: they're not from your audience and they don't get it.

855
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: They don't get the budget needs to affect the power

856
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: of that brand. So yeah, that's what I feel. And

857
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: you can't have a sponsor or a person in every

858
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: marketing room with brands that you work for. So yeah,

859
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, like who on the other side, like

860
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: the marketing reps and whatever, Like how can you get

861
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: in front of them so that they can truly understand, Like, oh,

862
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: if we go to Tiffany, like we need to come correct.

863
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the thing is I mean, to be fair,

864
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking is not it's a thing that we

865
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: don't pursue.

866
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: It just will land. So I'm just like, oh if

867
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: I get speaking work, because it's not the core center

868
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: of the business. So like you know' I have other

869
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: components of the business.

870
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: Like for example, we just launch like for the book

871
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, Get Your Money, We actually today launches a

872
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: get Go with Money planned, which is like because everybody,

873
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, the book has just been doing so well,

874
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: still selling about six to seven hundred copies a week

875
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: still and people still are hitting.

876
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Me up for like I didn't understand this part and

877
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that part. So we have this like.

878
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: Twelve twelve module like video series, you know, with like

879
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: like checking for learning, and it's not just me that

880
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: teaches it. Every module's taught by different educator and most

881
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: of which are the ones who are also in the book.

882
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: Like I'm not an attorney. I cannot teach you a

883
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: state planning. So my estate planning attorney who I interviewed

884
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: for the book and you know, and I told you

885
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: guys about in the book, is the same one teaching

886
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: that module, you know, And so I'm excited about that.

887
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: So but what I love about that is that, like,

888
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: you know, those are the things where my business is

889
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: based around, right, But this.

890
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Speaking is kind of like, well, if at lands on

891
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: my inbox and it makes sense, oh maybe I'll do it.

892
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: Maybe I won't.

893
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: So I you know, I haven't given it like some

894
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: sort of like priority, but I guess that's the thing,

895
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: like I maybe if to your pointfe I was like,

896
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: because I know I could sign up with a speaking

897
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: bureau who would be the person in the room for me,

898
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: because my friend lovely told me. She was like, you know, Tiffany,

899
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: I make seven figures a year speaking, but she speaks

900
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: a lot. I can introduce you to my speaking bureau

901
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: and I'm sure then I would get like, you know,

902
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: it'd be different because that bureau would be like we

903
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: only I'm sure the speaking bureau she's a part of

904
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: only represents HI to your speakers and they enter into

905
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: the room with my here's my roster versus people kind

906
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: of find me online and honestly, what a lot of

907
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: it ends up being, which is to your point, Mandy,

908
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: is that it'll be an infinity group, a black and

909
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: Brian infinity group who gets no respect, so they get

910
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: no budget, and so it's this beautiful black woman who

911
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: reaches out. It's like we don't really have which you know,

912
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: so she's basically they're not paying me because this is

913
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: the way they see her.

914
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I said, like, I mean,

915
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: it's not that.

916
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: I mean I've gotten you know, it's not often, but

917
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: I've gotten six figures for speaking.

918
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: But there's definitely been times when I have to really

919
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: push back.

920
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: I remember, I won't say the name because I would

921
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: like to work with them again, but they came to

922
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: me like, basically, why should we pay you on it?

923
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: At the time, one of my speaking thing was fifty

924
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. They wanted to pay me like ten and

925
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: so like I had my admin at the time call.

926
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: It was a black woman who reached out to me

927
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: and so basically be like, cis, here's everything. Activity is accomplished.

928
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, like what you're asking of her.

929
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's like, this is what you paid the

930
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: other And she was like, you're right.

931
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: We put a battery in her back, so it put

932
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: a She then went to her this if I say

933
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: this conglomerate, I mean it's huge, huge, huge, They're a TV,

934
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: they're in amusement parks, they're everything, and so huge conglomerate.

935
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: They paid me my fifty thousand. I think it was

936
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: like thirty or fifty thousand.

937
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: I can't remember whatever my price was at the time,

938
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: and then came back later to apologize because they said

939
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: it was so well received that I was right, that

940
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: I was worth every penny, and so I appreciated that.

941
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: That's why I'd like to work with them again. So

942
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to drag them, but it was an

943
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: instance where I had to like really be like, don't

944
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: ask me to do something, and I'll end with this story.

945
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: It made me feel so bad. It was a big magazine.

946
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: I'll give a hint, don't be late beyond anyway. So

947
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: this big old magazine had reached out to me for

948
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: what I thought was an interview. You know, we know

949
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: you're a journalist. We don't pay people to be interviewed,

950
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: you know. So they're like, oh, come into the art

951
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: for the interview. We want to talk about money something.

952
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: I said, oh, that's no problem. I having to bring

953
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: Tracy come to the office. And I was like, well,

954
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: so cure, I'm getting like and they were like, we'd

955
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: love it to be a video interview. I said, again,

956
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: no problem. So I brought Leela, my makeup artist. But

957
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: I thought this, this, this is a pretty big interview,

958
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: like because you know, because this is not they're not

959
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: a television show. So the setup was so like extravagant

960
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: all the things. And before I know that we'd love

961
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: for you to meet the client, I'm like, client, what client? Like,

962
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm here for an interview.

963
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: This is isn't it. You know you're a journalistic an interview, Yeah,

964
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: that's it? And like oh no.

965
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: The client was like Procter and Gamble I think it was,

966
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: or Dove or whatever, and I said that sounds odd.

967
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: Girl.

968
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: They ended up asking me questions about equal pay for

969
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: black women. Do you know this was not an interview,

970
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: This was a campaign. This is a campaign that they

971
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: got good paid, good money from Procter and Gamble and

972
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: Dove or whatever.

973
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: The client is in the room loving me.

974
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: They specifically asked me we loved Tiffany and they had

975
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: me in there working for free, for free and tricking

976
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: me with the interview.

977
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: I was so pissed.

978
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't of course, you know, during the time of

979
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: professional the client was like, I'm like, god, we love

980
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: We're so happy we specifically asked for you.

981
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: God da, I said, as I couldn't believe it.

982
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: So I got back and I told my spokesperson agent,

983
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: and she ripped them a new one. They ended up

984
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: giving me some money.

985
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: Because she was like, is this what we do?

986
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Now? Come for a press interview and then make it

987
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: that it's a campaign being shot. That's a lot of money.

988
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: When I charged for a campaign, you don't.

989
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: Get to use my image to promote a brand that

990
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: I did not agree to, because what if I was

991
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: working with their competitor.

992
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: It was really really bad.

993
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: So it's not just me whining, Like when when when

994
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: you know you're not getting paid big money. It's like

995
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: this is what's out here, and so it's just really frustrating.

996
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: And so now I have to ask when I do

997
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: interviews that's not you know, with people who have not

998
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: done interviews before, like is this being.

999
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Sponsored by someone else? Is this being this?

1000
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: Because I've done even like a magazine interviews where it's

1001
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: laden with all the sponsorship to make it seem like

1002
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm agreeing with whatever product that they've laced through, and

1003
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: I've had to call them and say, you have to

1004
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: take that down because I'm working with a partner where

1005
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: I can't do that, you know, whether that's true or not,

1006
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: that's what I tell.

1007
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: Them, you know.

1008
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: And so it's just really frustrating. Like, you know, even

1009
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: at my the budgeties to just turned sixteen. So even

1010
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: after all these years and all the accomplishments and all

1011
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: the things, and the White House and the New York

1012
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: Times and Netflix and Knitted, I still got to manage

1013
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: the bullshit sometimes.

1014
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: So it's just frustrating.

1015
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: I think that we should expect. The uncomfortable truth here

1016
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: is that as black women, there is no like magical

1017
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: mountaintop where all of a sudden it's like everyone knows

1018
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: your worth and then just comes to you don't have

1019
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: to like fight for that recognition. I mean I think

1020
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: about Beyonce a little bit because she still does not

1021
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: get the recognition she deserves. And I'm like, if Beyonce

1022
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: still is not winning these Grammys, But you know what

1023
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like what makes us any different? And I

1024
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 3: think the negotiation tip here is to like never don't

1025
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: never get too comfortable. Always recognize that it's not good enough.

1026
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: Whatever they're offering you is probably not good enough, and

1027
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: that you are worth more. So I mean in our

1028
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: case is we can have an agent or someone to

1029
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: like be that person. Hopefully you turn to your agent

1030
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: or your yeah, whoever reps you in this situation and say, like,

1031
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: can you make it clear to them that this is

1032
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: the value I bring? So let them that person be

1033
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: your advocate and let them know, okay, next time, come correct.

1034
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: That's what I would say from a negotiation standpoint. They

1035
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: have to be they have to be smart enough to

1036
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: be excited as hell to find the budget for you,

1037
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: and sometimes we have to help them get there. Yeah,

1038
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: a lot of times you have to help them get there.

1039
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: Well.

1040
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Girls, So if you are home, you know, listening, thinking like, Okay,

1041
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: it's not just you, you know, Unfortunately, this is the

1042
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: fight that we fight as people of color, as women

1043
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: of color in particular, and sometimes just any on. You know,

1044
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: oftentimes people don't see our value. But you know that,

1045
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: you know, I still try my best what I call

1046
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: illustrate my oprah. But some days it's just like, are

1047
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: you freaking kidding me? Equal pay for zero? They're my girl,

1048
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: come work this cotton field.

1049
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: And when those moments happen, it's like, don't give up.

1050
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just you have to have

1051
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: the right mindset, which is just like, okay, sometimes it

1052
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: should be happening. So let's just go back to reminding them,

1053
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: Oh this is this again. Okay, yes, girl, I.

1054
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: Said my whole media kid, it shows all the accomplishments

1055
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: and say yeah, unfortunately, boom here you go.

1056
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: Now.

1057
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: So all right, y'all, well we don't see you. Well, no,

1058
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: we'll see you on Friday for b A qa A.

1059
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Do we have any reviews before we jump off?

1060
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we did see a couple of new reviews.

1061
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 3: All right, let me go fine.

1062
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: While lady's looking for reviews. You know, we love, we

1063
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: love words of affirmation. Around here written down as reviews

1064
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: in particular. So so if you head don't know what

1065
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: to wherever you listen at podcast especial especially on Apple reviews,

1066
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: it really helps our podcast get seen, heard and shared.

1067
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: Please go on and leave us review and we might

1068
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: read them online.

1069
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we've gotten like twenty new reviews just this month. Amazing.

1070
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: So last on a recent episode, we talked about your

1071
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: moving experience and trying to get your refrigerator. Did the

1072
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: refrigerator make it to you?

1073
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: No? It could not be work which one? So I

1074
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: haven't new one I know, thankfully though. My neighbor around

1075
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: the corner she had just called me. I was on

1076
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: the phone with her when they brought it over there, like, ma'am,

1077
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: this refrigerator is thirty inches, this doorway is twenty five.

1078
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: I was like, so the math is not mathing.

1079
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: Suck it in, girl, I know, can we just He

1080
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 2: was like no, And so I was on the phone

1081
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: with my neighbor and she her refrigerator literally just.

1082
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: Died and oh wow.

1083
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I just was like, girl, you want this refrigerator

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Speaker 2: And she was like really, are you sure? She said,

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Speaker 2: you can always put it on Facebook market. But I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that in three months and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be rotten. Now just take the Dame refrigerator. And so

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Speaker 2: it was my gift to her. And so look the

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Speaker 2: world as the world turns.

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Speaker 3: So I'm good now listen. Okay. So we had a

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Speaker 3: commenter who said, I love that this is the review.

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Speaker 3: It's not even a review, it's just a comment on

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Speaker 3: our episode. It's like moving cross country as a single,

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Speaker 3: middle aged black woman. Good experience because I took no furniture,

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Speaker 3: ship boxes direct, shipped boxes early and got on the

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Speaker 3: plane with four suitcases from California to Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good for you, rdc MA.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I love that moy Race has literally just shared

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Speaker 3: your show with a friend. I'm a first time listener

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Speaker 3: and I just love your energy. You're so fun to

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Speaker 3: listen to look forward to many more listening listens. And

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Speaker 3: then Kisses two thousands says hey, ladies, you too are

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Speaker 3: life the weekly informational keiky as much needed everything from financial,

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Speaker 3: business to family. You guys are a breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Are so damned sway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, leave your reviews. We will. We will read them

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Speaker 3: live on the show out so just to show you

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Speaker 3: that we appreciate them so much. Until next time ya Sam.

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Speaker 1: Bye,