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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And we're back with Alan Pierce, journalist, broadcaster, former BBC

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Speaker 2: correspondent and co author of Coma and Near Death Experience,

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Speaker 2: The Beautiful, disturbing and Dangerous World of the Unconscious. Before

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Speaker 2: the break, Alan, we were talking about, you know, well,

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Speaker 2: I was asking you why I've never heard about these stories,

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Speaker 2: why this phenomenon of uh, you know, drug induced coma

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Speaker 2: survivors has not been you know, widely made known, and

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Speaker 2: whether it was being deliberately suppressed by the medical community.

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Speaker 2: So we were sort of in the midst of that

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Speaker 2: conversation when we we had to break. Is there anything

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Speaker 2: else you wanted to add to that?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, The funny thing is, and we couldn't get

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Speaker 3: our heads around this rage, is that no one has

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Speaker 3: actually researched the subject comperly before. No one's examined white

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Speaker 3: people being pasted into goma, and no one's examined the

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Speaker 3: events within coma and also what happens to people posted

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Speaker 3: coma because they're never the same again. Part of the

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Speaker 3: reason is that critical care today has become a conveyor

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Speaker 3: belt of care where ione's so busy, they don't get

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Speaker 3: the chance to look over their shoulder the product coming

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Speaker 3: off the other end. They simply do not see the damage.

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Speaker 3: If you've been on a mechanical ventilator, for example, within

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Speaker 3: a coma, you've got terrible damage to your vocal cords.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned that with Nick earlier. And when you come

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Speaker 3: to let's say within your coma, from your coma, you're

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Speaker 3: not in the position to discuss anything you've experienced with anybody.

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Speaker 3: You're moved down the line, invariably to some care facility.

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Speaker 3: Everything that happens next comes with such a shock, the

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Speaker 3: inability to hold a spoon, You can't stand up, You

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Speaker 3: keep getting these appording flashbacks. You don't recognize anybody, You've

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Speaker 3: forgot language. One person told me she didn't recognize humans.

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Speaker 3: So you've got this scenario. And when a doctor or

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Speaker 3: a nurse is ever confronted with a patient, which is

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Speaker 3: extremely rare, who presents these symptoms or talks of all

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Speaker 3: term at life, that there's two quick who dismiss these

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Speaker 3: things has effectively a form of mental illness. As I

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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, Why no one's investigated this in terms of

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Speaker 3: is it a conspiracy? A large part of This is

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Speaker 3: that when people come out of the coma and they've

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Speaker 3: got these massive holes in their memory, they've got a

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Speaker 3: shocking muscle wastage, joints of calcified nerves are disconnected, and

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Speaker 3: they just i know, entirely on their own, and when

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Speaker 3: they try to talk to somebody about it, the doctors

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Speaker 3: and nurses will just simply sell these are temporary blips

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Speaker 3: your memory. Don't worry about it. It will come back

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Speaker 3: as you move further down the line and you get

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Speaker 3: to speak to other doctors and you mentioned in your

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Speaker 3: memory problems. They then start thinking you've got early onset Alzheimer's,

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Speaker 3: and possibly you're unaware that other people have been through

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Speaker 3: the same experiences as yourself, and you just think, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's the luck of the draw. I've now got onset

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Speaker 3: early onset to MENSI. People don't seem to realize the

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Speaker 3: vast damage that is being caused. And again a lot

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Speaker 3: of this, as I say, is because these the hospital

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Speaker 3: quiet conditions, and the people that need to know most

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Speaker 3: i e. The staff in intensive gear appear to be

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Speaker 3: the last people being informed of just even making an

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Speaker 2: The book Comma and Your Death Experience, there is one

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Speaker 2: particularly disturbing story. It's a woman who experience experiences what

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Speaker 2: seems to be an ongoing nightmare that and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how long she was in a drug induced coma,

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Speaker 2: perhaps weeks or months, but she when she comes to,

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Speaker 2: she recalls this living nightmare while in the coma that

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Speaker 2: seemed to go on for years. Can you share that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that there's several within the burg. Let

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Speaker 3: me give you the example of Isabelle. Isabelle is a

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Speaker 3: medical professional in she works in one of the finest

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Speaker 3: hospitals in Cape Town, South Africa, and she contracted COVID

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Speaker 3: very early on in the pandemic and this started turning

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Speaker 3: to sepsis. So her colleagues said, I think the best

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Speaker 3: medically induced coma. And she was completely up for it.

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Speaker 3: She was thinking, yeah, okay, fine, I don't remember any

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Speaker 3: of this. Put me down. Well, Isabelle wakes up within

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Speaker 3: her coma, and this is a common thing that people

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Speaker 3: four years. They learned how to grow her organs, harvest them,

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Speaker 3: For example, she said she had a uterus removed seven times.

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Speaker 3: This is just one set of things that happened to her.

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Speaker 3: She then listed a whole bunch of lives, one after

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Speaker 3: ten thousand years on the bottom and top levels of existence.

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Speaker 3: Down on the bottom of it was all mild and

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Speaker 3: funny creatures, and at the top it was all ones

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Speaker 3: She was utterly exhausted within her coma with all these

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Speaker 3: events that she just wished she would die. And she

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Speaker 3: field of tall green grass, and the breeze is blowing.

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Speaker 3: There's a horse nearby, and it's the most perfect summer's day.

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Speaker 3: This is very clearly a near death experience. And she

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Speaker 3: the top when she heard her name being called, Isabel, Isabel,

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Speaker 3: you have to come back, she said, Oh, I was

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Speaker 3: so pissed off. I just stomped back down those stairs. Eventually,

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Speaker 3: that's weird and not taking it remotely seriously. And these

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Speaker 2: A patient, do the experiences of drug induced coma survivors

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Speaker 2: differ greatly from people who are in a coma as

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Speaker 2: a result of some kind of a trauma or accident,

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Speaker 2: brain injury, et cetera. Do they have any experiences that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a good question that they do appear similar. Within

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Speaker 3: the book, I think two or three of the coma

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Speaker 3: and they'd have a whole range of experiences pretty much

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Speaker 3: like being in Alice in Wonderland in many respects. In

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Speaker 3: other respects, she was entirely in the dark, completely conscious,

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Speaker 3: Something is wrong and this is just not understood. Doctors

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Speaker 3: when that happens, oftentimes events within the hospital award get

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Speaker 3: Isabel mentioned this. She said, the nurses with no doubt

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Speaker 3: a form of sexual assault or rape. And another thing

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Speaker 3: that happens is doctors will talk over the patient the

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Speaker 3: one last drug. But I don't think her chances are good.

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Speaker 3: discussed these things do it outside. These things now to

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Speaker 2: And again, these people are showing no our little brain

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's extremely rare, as you've had a brain

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Speaker 3: doctors that's been helping us with the book, Dr Wezi Lee.

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Speaker 3: He's professor of medicine at Vanderbilt. Some time back, he

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Speaker 3: lack of sleep, which seems ironic because coma effectively comes

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Speaker 3: When you switched the brain off. When you switched the

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Speaker 3: will not go through its circadian rhythms. As a result,

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Speaker 3: horrified to see that they were flatlining. As close to

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Speaker 2: So the brain is unconscious, if you will, or completely offline,

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Speaker 2: but the mind, wherever that resides, is incredibly.

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Speaker 3: Active, incredibly so because the medical world seems to think

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Speaker 3: or somehow that the brain produces the mind. Although these

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Speaker 3: showing here that somebody who would be flatlining on an

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Speaker 3: EG brain scanner is having a rich inner experience. It

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Speaker 3: ghastly like like you said, those experiences, but these things

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