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Speaker 1: I am in this room right now with the glacier.
Speaker 1: You are ice cold. No, I'm not what's going on?
Speaker 1: Is it the weather? It's the weather. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a little tired and I'm in this you know,
Speaker 1: lope not low place, just like, um, I just took
Speaker 1: a soul cycle classes. So I'm just like a little
Speaker 1: you know, endorphined out. I'm crashing a little. That's okay.
Speaker 1: Not everyone is always on, but I'm saying I'm on.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely fuck you, I'm on. I'm not saying you're
Speaker 1: not on. I'm saying now, I understand you've released a
Speaker 1: lot of physical energies actually, and I'm I'm in a
Speaker 1: very good place right now and I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: for me and my my body doesn't manifest that in
Speaker 1: like a let's go. Let's go. So I'm not being
Speaker 1: a glacier. Please refrain from calling me a fucking a
Speaker 1: thing that's melting, honestly, and that's sad. And how dare
Speaker 1: you relictit that image? How dare you? Do you think
Speaker 1: that the listeners of last culture ass will feel sad
Speaker 1: when they when they hear the word glacier and then
Speaker 1: they think about across the world what's happening? Absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's you know, it's something that we have to
Speaker 1: fix in our lifetime. What would you do about global warming?
Speaker 1: I would, um, you know, just tax carbon baby, Now
Speaker 1: would you do? What would you do me? Yeah? Um?
Speaker 1: I would write Leonardo DiCaprio a letter, Yeah yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's the one I will. I write him a person
Speaker 1: a letter because I feel that he has the influence
Speaker 1: in the power hunting to do something about this. And
Speaker 1: also at the bottom of the letter, I would include
Speaker 1: a PostScript and that would say, PA, punk script, I
Speaker 1: feel that you could really reduce your carbon footprint as well,
Speaker 1: because I have to say, this is not the moment
Speaker 1: for I don't think so, honey. That does come at
Speaker 1: the end of the episode classically, but I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey let on DiCaprio and him being all inconvenient truth. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you see him on his fucking yachts on yachts on
Speaker 1: yachts with all these models. So and you have to
Speaker 1: imagine that man takes a private jet. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: fly commercial airline. He's not God. There's this insane woman
Speaker 1: on the internet who has all of her trash from
Speaker 1: the past five years in a jar because she just
Speaker 1: does not want any waste. And even God bless her,
Speaker 1: she's doing She's doing God's work, but she has all
Speaker 1: her ship and one jot. So it's so annoying. That
Speaker 1: sounds annoying. Beyond annoying, it sounds not realistically feasible, not
Speaker 1: realistically feasible. But you know what is realistically feasible this.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the set up real fast, because this
Speaker 1: is a new little rig, a new little you know,
Speaker 1: a new little set up. I think that's why you're
Speaker 1: so dropped in. But I'm so comfortable, right, That's what
Speaker 1: it was. I sensed the different energy and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I don't understand. He's not being the glacier. He's
Speaker 1: merely being dropped in. Tell Us tell us all where
Speaker 1: we are sitting. We are back in hot engineer Ronnie's
Speaker 1: apartment and he has laid out the couch and we,
Speaker 1: Matt and I are just luxuriating on the couch. You
Speaker 1: could call us splayed out. We're splayed out and Honey
Speaker 1: across from us. Yes, we have to. We have two guests,
Speaker 1: fabulous guests. Now let's introduce one. Yes, welllet's first introduced
Speaker 1: prior guests of the show. You can catch them every
Speaker 1: Wednesday night at Club Coming doing the amazing Cabernet Cabaret
Speaker 1: with the luminous Catherine. And this is Henry Koperski. Hello, Henry.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be back here you guys. This
Speaker 1: is historic. This makes you our second return asked, maybe third,
Speaker 1: if you count Pat, which we don't. We don't. Welcome
Speaker 1: back Henry. Thank you. Now before we move on, Henry
Speaker 1: actually told me he wanted to He wanted to really
Speaker 1: make a point of being here. He says he has
Speaker 1: he has something to say. Oh my god, Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: this is when what you said. You've been getting a
Speaker 1: lot of questions. Oh yeah, So I'm often talked about
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Sometimes my name is used. Sometimes it isn't.
Speaker 1: And people make a lot of assumptions about things, and
Speaker 1: so I think we just just say right now that
Speaker 1: Matt and I dated for like two years and a
Speaker 1: couple of months and we broke up in May. I'm
Speaker 1: just hearing about this now, and we still lived together,
Speaker 1: and it has brought us together even more in a
Speaker 1: friend way, and we've done a lot of forgiving and
Speaker 1: wonderful things and growing together. And I just want you
Speaker 1: all to know what's going on so you don't have
Speaker 1: to make assumptions. So basically Henry saying he is now
Speaker 1: accepting new new strange tale. He that's what you did.
Speaker 1: I don't think in that way. That's not what he's saying.
Speaker 1: He just wants to clarify. And you know, a good
Speaker 1: I I wish there was you know. I wish Shonda
Speaker 1: Rhymes was in there was in the room with you all,
Speaker 1: um for the many for the many months, not the
Speaker 1: many months, but for the months since the breakup, just
Speaker 1: so she could study, really study what post breakup life
Speaker 1: is because she gets it wrong. She gets it really wrong,
Speaker 1: and honestly, not everything is such drama, Shanda. It's actually
Speaker 1: rule number twelve of culture, not not everything is such drama, Shanda. Now,
Speaker 1: we're so happy to have Henry Beck in thank you
Speaker 1: for Thank you, Hanna. But the main event today, Yes, now,
Speaker 1: this is such an exciting episode for Bonn and another
Speaker 1: person oft mentioned on the pod. Absolutely. Now the credits
Speaker 1: they come around into she is an alumna of our
Speaker 1: amazing amazing if I do say so, my saf you
Speaker 1: could say musical sketch comedy group, popular le She's a dear,
Speaker 1: dear friend. We've known her, you know, we we've known
Speaker 1: her when she's known us, when we leverage so much
Speaker 1: what else? So, um, this is like the big event
Speaker 1: that's going to be happening this. I think I've been
Speaker 1: hearing the trades. Do you read the trade? Read the trade?
Speaker 1: So the trades are saying that December four, It's Monday,
Speaker 1: December four, that's seven pm at the Duplex. This is
Speaker 1: the event of the season, the winter event of the season.
Speaker 1: You know how in two thousand and six when dream
Speaker 1: Girls came out, that was the event of the season.
Speaker 1: This is the events of this season. So this is
Speaker 1: called Amanda Shakman hates to sing. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a cabaret performance. It's gonna be everyone's gonna be very,
Speaker 1: very lucky to be there. I am so excited. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm going to be there with bells on. Oh I'll
Speaker 1: be there without bells on because I don't want to
Speaker 1: distract from what's happening. For I'm so sorry I was
Speaker 1: making noise famously. That's actually rule number twenty of culture
Speaker 1: noise famously. Now I can't wait for this show. It's
Speaker 1: going to be so fantastic. This person has the singing
Speaker 1: voice of the banter, the charm to fill a whole stadium,
Speaker 1: and she's going to fill out the Duplex and it's
Speaker 1: going to be really special because the Dude Plex famously
Speaker 1: much smaller than a stadium, and so she'll definitely be
Speaker 1: able to fill it out absolutely, because if we could
Speaker 1: fill open a stadium, it's just a matter of scale.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of scale. And ticking up a
Speaker 1: tiny five ft two of scale in this room right
Speaker 1: now is a shack man. Did I get that right?
Speaker 1: Five ft two? You gave me two inches? So then
Speaker 1: her documentary, your documentary is just gonna be five ye
Speaker 1: what would your main struggle be in your Netflix documentary?
Speaker 1: Because hers is famously you know fibromyalgia. Yeah, living living, living,
Speaker 1: it would just be like like the histrionic way that
Speaker 1: I just can't can't. Yeah, you just can't, can't. Well,
Speaker 1: before we got on the air, you guys were talking
Speaker 1: about how you get sick often newly, newly as you
Speaker 1: would say it, within the last year and a half. Yes,
Speaker 1: what's been the lifestyle change? Can you track it back
Speaker 1: to a lifestyle Yeah, definitely. I started working with kids
Speaker 1: a lot. They's yeah, you know, they're not good kids.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want them personally. I'm still it's
Speaker 1: a jury is still out for me. I the kids
Speaker 1: that you're that's that's that's awful, that that they're germ
Speaker 1: infested little pockets of flesh and like they can't help it,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I don't. I don't fault them
Speaker 1: for it. But do I get mad at them because
Speaker 1: I'm like, take your hand out of your but and
Speaker 1: then don't also put it in your Yeah. Now, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't think if the onus is on you
Speaker 1: to make a lifestyle change, to be like a wipes person,
Speaker 1: like I don't want you, don't hate that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I've never been that person. I don't I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not like a like Germans. That's yucky.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never been that. So then what what's
Speaker 1: the who's going to budge here? I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who. It's got to be the parents. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think so, and I love blaming them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was saying this the helicopter parents. It's like, why
Speaker 1: are you helicopter about everything except your kid's hands are
Speaker 1: all in their But it's the new Age, it's the
Speaker 1: new it's the new age way of parenting. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like good bacteria, let them play in the trash and no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: those people are seminar away from being anti boxers. And
Speaker 1: I've said that same thing about people who believe it's
Speaker 1: a tone shift away you. Oh my god, can you
Speaker 1: imagine if you came to lunch as a youngster and
Speaker 1: you went into your as your ass, No, if you
Speaker 1: want to see your lunch box and pulled out your
Speaker 1: you know, thermosis soup something, you know whatever. I used
Speaker 1: to do amos No, but I can imagine you. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: because I was telling Henry the other day, when I
Speaker 1: was little, I was afraid of I was kind of
Speaker 1: like I had like a food fear, like I didn't
Speaker 1: want my lunch to sit in the box all day
Speaker 1: and then open it later. I totally when the lattice
Speaker 1: would turn to like a darker I was like nine moms.
Speaker 1: But I will say it's like especially cold food. When
Speaker 1: food is cold and sitting around, I'm like, no, that's bad.
Speaker 1: So there was something about the hot soup and a
Speaker 1: thermos thermiss by the way, it's rule culture number nineteen.
Speaker 1: Thermosis are unbelievable. Are unbelievable the way they can keep
Speaker 1: something hot. Of course it's science. Yes, So listen, what
Speaker 1: was I saying? Oh, can you imagine you reached into
Speaker 1: your lunch and next to you, some kid who's probably
Speaker 1: named something cool like Brooklyn, like reaches out and pulls
Speaker 1: out a kombucha, And I mean, you're if you were you,
Speaker 1: I know, we just established that you don't want children,
Speaker 1: but you would feed your child much well. I know.
Speaker 1: Actually we used to have this disagreement when we were dating.
Speaker 1: I said, our kids will drink soda, and I say,
Speaker 1: our kids will not drink soda. Soda is poison, yes,
Speaker 1: juice is poison. Famously, how Henry Henry famously says juice
Speaker 1: is poison as well. Okay, Amanda, and feel free to
Speaker 1: feel free to be as cryptic as you want because
Speaker 1: obviously this is like professional. But um, now, these kids,
Speaker 1: what's your approach? I have a very famous kid in
Speaker 1: one of my classes. Go on, Okay, I feel like
Speaker 1: I can't. We can't. We can't talk about specific children.
Speaker 1: But let's can we at least broadly and not negatively
Speaker 1: at all? I mean, we don't want to let's get
Speaker 1: into getting into the kids and a famous one. Yeah no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just the kids in general, just all kids across, all
Speaker 1: across all you know contexts. How how how is your
Speaker 1: approach to kids in general? Like? Are you stern? Are
Speaker 1: you warm? Like? What's like? What would you say as
Speaker 1: your approach? I think that the key with kids, and
Speaker 1: a lot of parents don't get this is like is
Speaker 1: treating them like their people. Yes, it sounds so dumb
Speaker 1: and simple, but like, there there's this thing that I've
Speaker 1: watched happen where and especially around the youth parts. Is
Speaker 1: like there's there's this, um, there's this tendency to tell
Speaker 1: children that they are or make them feel that they
Speaker 1: are extremely special and I've I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: spoiled kids. There's like a Brooklyn spoiled and I Manhattan spoiled.
Speaker 1: And there are two different branches. So the Manhattan spoiled
Speaker 1: is you're sort of like, you know, stereotypical TV, you know,
Speaker 1: archetype of like the you know, bully or like the
Speaker 1: mean I you know, I babysat a child actor for
Speaker 1: a while. That was a trip who and he was
Speaker 1: in manhattanite um and he once turned to me and
Speaker 1: asked me, um, am I more like Leonardo DiCaprio or
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin Jesus Christ of course, the two types, you know,
Speaker 1: which is just so alarming because it means at some
Speaker 1: point somebody was like, you know, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: and these and he's trying to get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of like what like whaty So he was he was
Speaker 1: like seven, which is just the worst age amongst a
Speaker 1: seven year old boy passed past um. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like a little like um preview of their adulthood. He's like,
Speaker 1: here's what's coming um or he would say to me,
Speaker 1: you know, like what jobs have you booked? Oh? My god,
Speaker 1: Like the horror of facing my it was like this
Speaker 1: little like embodiment of my here's of rejection. So also
Speaker 1: like just hearing that from anybody is atrocious. Sure, it's
Speaker 1: like I had to teach him what the word humble
Speaker 1: and that like physically be like humble me. I was like,
Speaker 1: is this real? So so there's the Manhattan spoiled, which
Speaker 1: is like the money that we go to upper one
Speaker 1: and then in the uniform whatever the Manhattan's or the sorry,
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn spoiled is more righteous, yes, and it's it's
Speaker 1: this kind of like give them freedom, give them spaces
Speaker 1: like they do. And so what they do is they
Speaker 1: take their freedom and they just think like you know,
Speaker 1: they they you know, they feel victimized. They often which
Speaker 1: you know, it's sure, am I am I going to
Speaker 1: tell a child that's telling me that everybody hates them
Speaker 1: and nobody likes me that that's not really happening. I
Speaker 1: would never denounce that or belittle that. But but it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily really happening. It's their perception of like it's
Speaker 1: this kind of is the allergies, it's all a part
Speaker 1: of it. It's like this is my issue, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like they're just self pathologized. Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, is this is this something that like, is
Speaker 1: this is a thing that a lot of kids are
Speaker 1: coming to you with, is people don't like me, people
Speaker 1: everybody hates me, because that never leaves you. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's just no. There was one instance of of that.
Speaker 1: But again it was like, I know the child, and
Speaker 1: I think it was stemming from a place of that
Speaker 1: not necessarily really happening, but but being clear or being
Speaker 1: obvious that that was their perception of because I've seen
Speaker 1: the way they interact with their parents, who was just
Speaker 1: so like, oh my, oh my sweet baby. And it's
Speaker 1: it's just there's a babying that I wonder, like I
Speaker 1: would be that parent, Like I would try to resist that,
Speaker 1: resist that so so much? Would you would would be like,
Speaker 1: I know and and and it's so insane to like
Speaker 1: make any criticism about any parents at like this stage
Speaker 1: and this point in my life, because I have no
Speaker 1: fucking clue in these political times and in the time
Speaker 1: everyone's just so scared of hugging their kids, you know. Oh.
Speaker 1: I had to teach the day after and we were
Speaker 1: doing an Annie themed class. It was like a mini
Speaker 1: musical class and we were doing Annie and there it
Speaker 1: was a class of the girls and like we sang
Speaker 1: like the song will come out tomorrow, and it was
Speaker 1: just like me and my co Teachirt, we were just
Speaker 1: like it was just that and they and they all
Speaker 1: had opinions about you know that they have they have
Speaker 1: these liberal parents, so they just I think it's so
Speaker 1: fascinating they have this like menacing image of our president. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went. I tored schools sometimes and I was doing
Speaker 1: that something for story parts and I was like strolling
Speaker 1: around the halls waiting for uh, my my thing to start.
Speaker 1: And I was early and they had artwork up on
Speaker 1: the wall and it was actually a school in um
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and on the wall it was just prior
Speaker 1: to the election, and it was like their hopes and
Speaker 1: dreams for the upcoming school year, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I hope that Donald Trump is not elected president. And
Speaker 1: that was up like a couple of times like references
Speaker 1: to Trump and like true like kids like in story parts,
Speaker 1: like you go out into the audience and you get
Speaker 1: suggestions from the kids, and they would they were obsessed
Speaker 1: with Trump and that's like it was this thing they
Speaker 1: were thinking about and right. And I do wonder what
Speaker 1: that felt like to be this seven eight nine year
Speaker 1: old kid who's you know, fixated on this thing, which
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump, who's not a person to them, He's
Speaker 1: just this thing in the news, like the way Lewinsky
Speaker 1: was for us, you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 1: just something that exists out there in the world and
Speaker 1: you don't understand it. But to then be told so
Speaker 1: for so many months, like if Donald Trumps president, that's bad,
Speaker 1: that's bad. Here all this doomsday imagery and be a
Speaker 1: seven eight nine year old kid and then get told
Speaker 1: when you wake up in the morning that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was elected. That's freakish to think about. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: there's a cloud of fear. I don't know, it's I
Speaker 1: don't like to think about. Yeah, well, because they're so young. No, well,
Speaker 1: I will say we're talking about you know, the children's children.
Speaker 1: They will listen. Wow, maybe that's like a perfect segue. Actually,
Speaker 1: I mean, so, Amanda, we're going to ask you the
Speaker 1: question that we ask everyone that comes on our show. Now,
Speaker 1: this question is the central question of Lost Culture restas
Speaker 1: and we ask you know, our listeners this at home too,
Speaker 1: Like maybe I don't know. In your five star review
Speaker 1: of last Culture Rests on iTunes, you can drop what
Speaker 1: your culture that affected you and made you want to
Speaker 1: take a step in a cultural direction? Was, um, just
Speaker 1: think about it. Um, But Amanda, we're going to ask
Speaker 1: you that question right now. What was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture is for me? Defining culture? Can
Speaker 1: it be like a three part It's like the because
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this because I knew you were coming.
Speaker 1: It was on your Google cow Um Okay, It's like
Speaker 1: the intersection of um Long Island, Jewish American princess culture
Speaker 1: and in relation to also like the way those people
Speaker 1: respond to theater and being close to the city and
Speaker 1: all of that, right, yes, Like with a droplet of
Speaker 1: the fact that my mom's a hairdresser. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: that's that's the same land okay, um diva, yes, and
Speaker 1: and all that that falls under that umbrella. So like, um,
Speaker 1: just all of the ship that comes with that, the
Speaker 1: PA and also and the ego as well as the vocalization.
Speaker 1: Like it's all in there, right and then like bone
Speaker 1: will like this one, I think, um, like mid two
Speaker 1: thousand's Indie Girl. Yeah, and like the muppets. Um that's
Speaker 1: I think that is a breakdown as such, an accurate
Speaker 1: breakdown of Amanda. I mean, I would we would go
Speaker 1: to I think it's not self aware, and we would
Speaker 1: go to a man's house and they went at the
Speaker 1: home videos, and let me tell you that was a trip.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yes, I've been talking about this lately
Speaker 1: because it's sort of like been on the back of
Speaker 1: my mind as I'm yes, and the home videos for
Speaker 1: me are such a mind because it's always like like
Speaker 1: it's it's so fun to have the experience of like
Speaker 1: you know, if like I bring my boyfriend to my
Speaker 1: my house and like I'm like, oh, let's like pop
Speaker 1: in these home videos, like this is gonna be so
Speaker 1: funny way to see like the dynamic, the relationships. It's all.
Speaker 1: It's so revealing. It's funny. And I literally always leave
Speaker 1: like like I just came from like physically, I'm just
Speaker 1: like that was not what I thought it would feel like, well,
Speaker 1: just watching a little version of yourself that is inside
Speaker 1: you still to this day that it's like oh no,
Speaker 1: like owning the room, like yeah, there's they exist, I know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just a weird weird mirror that's being
Speaker 1: held up to you. But also like just the fact
Speaker 1: that those home videos exist, and I've seen a couple
Speaker 1: from you know, specifically the ones that I've seen a
Speaker 1: view uh in in in your school musicals is the
Speaker 1: intersection of Long Island Jewish American princess and how they
Speaker 1: respond to theater meets hairstyling hair style. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: um so there's a video of where is that is that?
Speaker 1: From Ragtime? It was Ragtime? Okay, back to before from Ragtime? Um,
Speaker 1: and fucking Amanda is like you have this up, dude,
Speaker 1: which is insane and literally what are you sixteen? In
Speaker 1: that video? But but it's a fifty year old woman
Speaker 1: and I was like that, yeah, just old? Did you
Speaker 1: play a lot of the older place? He was playing
Speaker 1: mom matron Lee sort of but not matron like like
Speaker 1: it was. You know, it's it's the difference between like
Speaker 1: like uh golden Yanda, like I was the gold I
Speaker 1: was the like mother, but like but in in an
Speaker 1: iconic way. I mean, I think the mother in an
Speaker 1: iconic way culture but that's the title of that, you know.
Speaker 1: I also was sort of there were I did have
Speaker 1: my enew moments but like not real, like it was
Speaker 1: like brassy on Princess their like she's not no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: she's character. She's character. She's a character. Yes, So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I did sort of fill that space weirdly when I
Speaker 1: was a very very young and I was always like that.
Speaker 1: I was just very old. Oh my god, can I
Speaker 1: say one thing about it. There's a good home video
Speaker 1: of Henry please, which is, um, Henry is smiling and
Speaker 1: popping his head out of picnic area it eating a
Speaker 1: hot dog, and his his dad is taking the video
Speaker 1: and he goes, Henry, did you pray yet? And Henry's
Speaker 1: just like looks at the camera, and Henry's dad goes,
Speaker 1: I don't think you did, And then it ends because
Speaker 1: you had in praye had you? I don't think I had.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't a believer when I was a kid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever truly believed, Yeah, or in
Speaker 1: the way that my parents did. Of course, of course religious.
Speaker 1: Were they taking you to to to temple Temple church?
Speaker 1: When I had sort of what I think is probably
Speaker 1: a similar experience to a lot of people in that area,
Speaker 1: which is like you're super Jewish for the sake of faith,
Speaker 1: showing faith, and then and then you have your bot
Speaker 1: mitzvah and they're like, we never want to talk about
Speaker 1: this effort literally the same socially socially religious and but
Speaker 1: then completely secutar. It was like, so the biggest deal
Speaker 1: that we go to church every week and then I
Speaker 1: got my confirmation and then literally we never went again.
Speaker 1: And I think that I I have some opinions about this,
Speaker 1: but I think that religion is you know whatever. I
Speaker 1: won't get too much into that, but when you're growing up,
Speaker 1: I do think, um, and I think that's especially of Judaism,
Speaker 1: that it's a nice sort of like basic framework for
Speaker 1: like being a good person. And like, you know, especially
Speaker 1: in Jewish culture, there's a lot about like you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guilt and bullshit, but there's also
Speaker 1: like a good amount of triumph and sort of like, um,
Speaker 1: it instills a sense of, I don't know, celebration a
Speaker 1: little bit more than I think some of the guilt
Speaker 1: that's associated with religions. Yeah, that's what That's what appealed
Speaker 1: to my sister when you converted. It's it's not really
Speaker 1: a religion about shame or punishment or anything. It's not
Speaker 1: anything punitive. It's it's always about remembering, remembering and being
Speaker 1: a good person, leaving the world in a better place
Speaker 1: than you came. And I was like, oh, yeah, like
Speaker 1: that does make sense. Um, I've talked about this a lot,
Speaker 1: but yeah, folk the folklore in Judaism and I I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of like music and there. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love some of the traditions and Judaism and really
Speaker 1: into some of that and also botzvah themes. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: what was yours? Was? In my life? Wof theme? My
Speaker 1: theme was, Now this is very complex. Um that it
Speaker 1: was Broadway. I don't understand. I'll explain it to another time.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, like, that's like the perfect like that,
Speaker 1: like it's not specific, but it is. It's right. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's like, no, the theme is going
Speaker 1: to be Broadway, and you're like, Okay, at the time,
Speaker 1: everyone was like you she picked the Broadway. But now
Speaker 1: it's like that's amazing, Okay, so so funny. There's nothing
Speaker 1: fun are so zero And I'm like, how this was
Speaker 1: like the theme was applied? Um, okay, I love talking
Speaker 1: about this. So first I'll tell you just just a
Speaker 1: sort of esthetic element is that each of my tables
Speaker 1: and like insane to think that just to have tables
Speaker 1: at thirteen years like just around it is so wild.
Speaker 1: Were was it a candle celebration as well? Now to
Speaker 1: light my eleventh yeah, I did all the thing. I
Speaker 1: had the cancel lighting the montage. I sang reflection from
Speaker 1: Mulan God, bless you, thank you so much. I made
Speaker 1: my friends sit down and watch me singing reflection, which
Speaker 1: is like like sort of a dark song, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's not no, it's like who it's
Speaker 1: an identity Christ not Broadway, but thank you for bringing
Speaker 1: Asian culture into your you know. That's like when when um,
Speaker 1: I think it was Bill Clinton got inaugurated, Aretha Franklin
Speaker 1: came up and sang I dreamed a dream from lay Miss,
Speaker 1: which is like just a devastating like essentially like the
Speaker 1: last rattle cry of like Fantine and like people don't
Speaker 1: understand contact No, but anyway, the aesthetic element was that
Speaker 1: I had on my tables my center pieces. Um, I
Speaker 1: went to some like place in Long Island that did
Speaker 1: like moments to stuff and I like, you know, and
Speaker 1: so they were all playbills through the year, but it
Speaker 1: was my I was and I had seen this at
Speaker 1: another girl's bought mitzvah that you know, right, and of
Speaker 1: course like in in classic, just like my family, my
Speaker 1: life fashion, it was like it was like watered down,
Speaker 1: for it was just not quite there when you look
Speaker 1: at a pinter sport and then you want to do
Speaker 1: the thing and then and then just never turns out
Speaker 1: that way exactly. And like my dress was the same way.
Speaker 1: It was like custom made, but it fell apart like
Speaker 1: halfway there. You know. I try, I'm always trying. The
Speaker 1: center pieces were playbills, and but instead it was just
Speaker 1: pictures of me doing the thing that's in that play
Speaker 1: about so instead of what I wanted was like my
Speaker 1: face superimposed onto like the actual thing, which it would
Speaker 1: have been crazy like the graphics required for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but then what ended up happening,
Speaker 1: what ended up happening was like hair spray, you know,
Speaker 1: and I can't this is all, but it's the face.
Speaker 1: So it's just me like no effect, this mouth, open,
Speaker 1: hands on my cheeks, close up like dead eyes. You know,
Speaker 1: she's giving us a perfect Merissa Jarrett Winoker face right now,
Speaker 1: cut out the white background with the blue hair and
Speaker 1: then but no, no, not even effects. But then would
Speaker 1: you have the logo of the show over? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I had like hairspray at the top. The best the
Speaker 1: tord force though, was rent because famously there's there's nine
Speaker 1: and is like nothing. So it's just like the awkward
Speaker 1: thirteen year old body like a pink te Soe T shirt.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I wasn't even thirteen year and and
Speaker 1: and just doing all the rent poses but like with
Speaker 1: like minimal effort, you know, And did you at least
Speaker 1: do a Dina's screaming face like I've seen it? Yes,
Speaker 1: I commit, No, I commit. It was entirely copied. They
Speaker 1: were all very accurate. But listen, that's literally pastiche and
Speaker 1: it's gorgeous, Like I'm saying that in a good way.
Speaker 1: It's a tribute. It's gorgeous. I had never seen it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know the music. But well, I mean,
Speaker 1: speaking of Broadway now, I think it would be a
Speaker 1: wonderful time. I think it would be a nice time
Speaker 1: to hear a song. So tell us, so this first
Speaker 1: song that you're going to do for us, and this
Speaker 1: is going to be included in the in the show
Speaker 1: un December four. The story of at Least you know
Speaker 1: my journey with this song is I have my best
Speaker 1: friend Ryan Um. He contacted me or you know, we
Speaker 1: were just talking and he was like, I've had I've
Speaker 1: had a like a talent crush on this perform um
Speaker 1: Katie Thompson for a very long time because I saw
Speaker 1: her in the musical and Michael john accusin musical Giant
Speaker 1: at the Public like five years ago, and she just
Speaker 1: had she was like Adele with like more power and
Speaker 1: but but but acting and like I just I just
Speaker 1: I have such a crush on her and I am.
Speaker 1: I I felt like she had this raw quality to
Speaker 1: her voice and I sometimes feel like I struggle to
Speaker 1: fit into a category um in terms of type and vocally,
Speaker 1: and I I sort of watched her do this thing
Speaker 1: where she she she's actually a composer. She's like written
Speaker 1: a lot of music and she just has this amazing quality.
Speaker 1: So he was like, I found this video of Katie Thompson.
Speaker 1: She's singing this song. It feels so like something that
Speaker 1: comes from that would come from your heart and mouth.
Speaker 1: And I looked it up and I just like I'm
Speaker 1: not often I've heard I've sung for so long, so
Speaker 1: it's not often that I'm just like, oh, I would
Speaker 1: love to have this music in my mouth. Um. So
Speaker 1: I did it at one of Henry's shows once and yes,
Speaker 1: and I just felt like there was an understanding of
Speaker 1: this feeling. And that's really what I look for in songs,
Speaker 1: is like, am I just singing? Or am I getting
Speaker 1: at something that people are understanding on on an emotional normal.
Speaker 1: It's by Jonathan reed Galt, who's a really talented composer
Speaker 1: and that sort of camp of contemporary musical theater composers. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm not a very good fan because I don't
Speaker 1: know the context. If it's from a musical of any kind.
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of just a one off. I
Speaker 1: think I think you're right. I think I think it's right.
Speaker 1: So my sheet music says from the album thirteen Stories
Speaker 1: Tell Yeah, And I think that there's some really amazing
Speaker 1: singers on that album just doing his songs and he
Speaker 1: he has a really some really good stuff on there.
Speaker 1: So a little plug for him. Yeah, it's called no
Speaker 1: reason at all. Now let's hear it. M h m hm.
Speaker 1: I lay here in the dark, yearning for something, a
Speaker 1: tiny glance, a kind word, to give my life meaning.
Speaker 1: But you would never know because I never shown how
Speaker 1: much you've helped me to see the woman I'm longing
Speaker 1: to be. Sometimes I just need to cry for no
Speaker 1: reason at all. Sometimes I'm too tired to try for
Speaker 1: no reason at all. Sometimes I just have to learn
Speaker 1: to let go for no reason at all. I stand
Speaker 1: in the door life passes by and feel like I'm
Speaker 1: stuck in between the life that I want and what
Speaker 1: I can reach. It's like I'm not heard and not seeing.
Speaker 1: There must be a way at the end of the
Speaker 1: day that I can help make you see the woman
Speaker 1: I long to suffering. Sometimes I just need to pray
Speaker 1: for no reason at all. Sometimes, on your time, you
Speaker 1: try for no Sometimes I just talk to you. Go
Speaker 1: for no reason. I can see the things that I
Speaker 1: need to change in me, and that's a start or
Speaker 1: play side rather be. But when the time comes, will
Speaker 1: I have the strange to pull myself up and see? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just it's a cry for no reason at all.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I t to try for not at all. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I just have to learn to like go for no reason,
Speaker 1: for no reason at all. Oh my god, I'm hand
Speaker 1: Amanda shucked. Man, you thank you for doing that. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that was unbelievable. It's it's um hard to feel.
Speaker 1: I'm not just yelling no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: That was really like, I'm so excited for everyone that
Speaker 1: just heard that, and I'm but you don't know what
Speaker 1: it was like to be in the room. So what
Speaker 1: I would suggest is that you buy tickets to the
Speaker 1: show because you have an opportunity to be in the room. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's again, I'll just keep saying it. Then we're gonna
Speaker 1: hear two more songs, which just fucking nuts. But um,
Speaker 1: it's on December four at seven pm at the Duplex.
Speaker 1: It's called A Man of Shaman Hates the sing So um,
Speaker 1: get your tickets at Purple Paths. Yeah. Um, And really
Speaker 1: you should be in the room. City. It's so easy
Speaker 1: to stay in, especially when it's called but like, you're
Speaker 1: in the greatest city in the world and you can
Speaker 1: hear one of the greatest singers in the world, and
Speaker 1: to see her, to feel her presence is what takes
Speaker 1: it to the next level. It's really fabulous. Henry. You
Speaker 1: were also amazing on that is and Henry also is
Speaker 1: also accompanying at the show, so you'll see Henry as well. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I do want to get into this now. It's
Speaker 1: called a man of Shackman hates this thing. Now. Um.
Speaker 1: When I met you at n y U, UM, we
Speaker 1: did a show together. It's called the Reality Show at
Speaker 1: m y U and um we collaborated and UM, you
Speaker 1: had just experienced something in your life which I think
Speaker 1: sort of changed your life. UM. And that was, um,
Speaker 1: I guess being on famous reality television singing show. Um.
Speaker 1: So I was wondering if you could talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about what went down with American Idol. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: um wolf Okay, So, and I know that it is
Speaker 1: a wolf, but I'm so you know, it's it's been
Speaker 1: this thing that's sort of unnecessarily I've like, you know,
Speaker 1: grown it into this monster in my brain and I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to just like take the power away from
Speaker 1: it and just let it be like the stupid thing
Speaker 1: that I think. I think And this sounds so whatever.
Speaker 1: I think you have really come so far from that
Speaker 1: think that mental space too, you know. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I go ahead and describe it. Um, and like you know,
Speaker 1: take the sort of things that we've talked about about
Speaker 1: myself into account when I'm telling this, because it's all
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, and so um because thinking
Speaker 1: for me was very pure, Like it was so pure
Speaker 1: for me. Um. And that's okay. And just before we
Speaker 1: even get into the details, that's the most that's the
Speaker 1: shittiest part of all this is that someone who like
Speaker 1: has a gift, a gift of all gifts, like for
Speaker 1: that to be sullied. But yeah, in any way, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and and the thing is that that goes that dates back.
Speaker 1: That approach to what I can do dates back to
Speaker 1: before the Idol experience, because I think there was a
Speaker 1: culture of in you know, in our society and just
Speaker 1: the way that we treat talent that there is a
Speaker 1: tendency to um, I want to manufacture it or or
Speaker 1: or take it, and yes to put it frankly, yes,
Speaker 1: to make money from it. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: my my friends and family did this to me throughout
Speaker 1: my life as well, and out of a not a
Speaker 1: bad intention at all, But this is just I think
Speaker 1: we've been conditioned to treat talent this way. And I
Speaker 1: do it all the time. I do it with you guys.
Speaker 1: You know, like I'll just we'll just dish about some
Speaker 1: singer on the internet, and it's it's no big thing,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like when the journey from singing being
Speaker 1: like a pure facet of music into something that we
Speaker 1: judge and and you know, manipulate and all of that
Speaker 1: has been present in my life for for a long time.
Speaker 1: But um so after my um my freshman year of college, um,
Speaker 1: which of course is so easy for everyone and everyone
Speaker 1: knows exactly just just a breeze, just a total breeze. Uh,
Speaker 1: I was a mess. Oh my gosh, I was a mess.
Speaker 1: I was is I just you know, I was sort
Speaker 1: of having in this really crazy place with my identity
Speaker 1: and I had gone on such a wild journey up
Speaker 1: until that point of knowing that I had talent, not
Speaker 1: really knowing if I want to do that, being boxed
Speaker 1: in blah blah blah. And by the time that I
Speaker 1: got applying to schools, you know, I at one point
Speaker 1: was like looking at like liberal arts colleges in like
Speaker 1: upstate New York where I could like major double major
Speaker 1: in English and art. Like you know, I was like
Speaker 1: so ready to just be like leave me a new
Speaker 1: Yum and then I don't know it just the the
Speaker 1: sort of uh feeling that what's what's possible, the potential
Speaker 1: that I've been sort of um pumped up with my
Speaker 1: whole life. It's harder when you know you can do
Speaker 1: it right, and when people have affirmed that for the
Speaker 1: longest time, the affirmation absolutely of just like your special,
Speaker 1: you're amazing, you're a talent, you have a gift, and
Speaker 1: and I believe me. I mean I I rejected that
Speaker 1: for a while. I like I got into like drawing,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it was like, you know, the
Speaker 1: quiet things, but the quiet things. Uh. But eventually it
Speaker 1: was just like, well, funk, I'm going to go to TISH,
Speaker 1: Like who am I kidding? So but when I applied
Speaker 1: to TISH, I was like, but I want to go
Speaker 1: to the Atlantic School for act you know, I like
Speaker 1: I really wanted to like be taken seriously. So my
Speaker 1: my major was acting. It was not musical theater. I
Speaker 1: did not major INNY school theater UM or go to
Speaker 1: that studio rather, and I went to UM, a wonderful
Speaker 1: studio within the drama department. That was an amazing place,
Speaker 1: but you know, left it was an interdisciplinary studio. So
Speaker 1: you're directing, you're designing, you're you're being taught how to
Speaker 1: be a whole theater artist, right, which you know. My
Speaker 1: ego I think was it was so hard to imagine
Speaker 1: art for art's sake at that point, Like it was
Speaker 1: just like no, like it was hard for me to
Speaker 1: let go of this idea that like I could really
Speaker 1: be somebody yea, And I wanted to believe that I
Speaker 1: was somebody that could just be a theater artist and
Speaker 1: like be a downtown theater and through the whole thing. Um.
Speaker 1: But I just had this moment after my freshman year
Speaker 1: where I was like, what if I just cuss in
Speaker 1: on this idea, you know, an audition for American Idol
Speaker 1: and win, because of course I will, yeah, but of
Speaker 1: course mentally you go to that place where like, I'll
Speaker 1: do it because I think I have a shot at winning.
Speaker 1: The whole part, well, you would fit and I'll get
Speaker 1: into the people that you know, think I don't think
Speaker 1: like that, and what happens to those support people? Um?
Speaker 1: But yes, So I had had this thing happened my
Speaker 1: whole life of like you have with the addition of
Speaker 1: our market, So I I saw that. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how I knew, like how it came up right,
Speaker 1: like who knows God in Manhattan and it was like
Speaker 1: a post on the American Eagles sign in the South
Speaker 1: but by the way American. I was skinning peasy to
Speaker 1: see an get that down there. Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: hate so much, but so okay. So I I find
Speaker 1: out that the nearest audition location was Boston, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I like I traveled, uh, and I and I went
Speaker 1: to the stadium, the sports stadium whichever where you go
Speaker 1: where you go sing. I think it was Gillette Stadium.
Speaker 1: But also I could making that up. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you know that, you my um. So
Speaker 1: I go there and it's like tons of people and
Speaker 1: you wait around and it's a whole thing. And and
Speaker 1: I was going to sing the whole thing. In music
Speaker 1: at that that year, I think it was two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: was like that our space singer British Girls who Josh
Speaker 1: Daniel on our last live show Artisanal Singings singer. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah that was and it still is. That's a
Speaker 1: grace vander Walt anyway, right, like it's it's this thing
Speaker 1: of like um, like I'm not really a good singer,
Speaker 1: but isn't it cool I'm doing until I mean that,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously some of those women are amazing singers,
Speaker 1: and who even knows what that means? The whole concept
Speaker 1: of that is what I'm worried about. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: whole thing was like a dull duffy yeah right, you know,
Speaker 1: and Amy, we just didn't know the half of it.
Speaker 1: But those types of singers, So that was sort of
Speaker 1: what I was bringing to the table. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could probably do something like that. So I was
Speaker 1: gonna sing Melt my Heart to stone. But um, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you would not recognize me, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like freshman and uh, I had like blonde
Speaker 1: long hair and a plump bang and I was just
Speaker 1: like like flannel shirt, ripped stockings, boots. I went to
Speaker 1: like I live in the city. Like that was what
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I was bringing that all to the
Speaker 1: table and um, but that was really like what I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't that. That's what the projection whatever
Speaker 1: I was going through, And that's so great. Um, and
Speaker 1: I get up to this there there are all these
Speaker 1: tents and they have that's how many people produce this show.
Speaker 1: Is that like there are like ten of these tents
Speaker 1: and each of them have two producers in them. And
Speaker 1: you line up cattle call style and um, I sing
Speaker 1: this little part of not My Heart to Stone and
Speaker 1: they're kind of like like squirming around, like do we
Speaker 1: like her? And they're like, yeah, okay, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have you come back, but I want you to, um
Speaker 1: dress up, like look nicer. We're like a dress or
Speaker 1: a skirt or something like that. Um. And they kind
Speaker 1: of give me this costume to come in, which is
Speaker 1: what it would have been to me because that's not
Speaker 1: how I was naturally dressing at the time, right um.
Speaker 1: And I'm like but I'm like, oh my god, Like okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you say, because like the dream, the dream is
Speaker 1: on the line. Um. And they take you into this
Speaker 1: other room where they give you a questionnaire and they
Speaker 1: kind of want to know about you. So what's your story,
Speaker 1: what's what are some things that make you interesting? What's fun,
Speaker 1: what's new, what's different? Blah blah blah. And I have
Speaker 1: this flicker of a moment where my grandmother had passed
Speaker 1: away that year and she was a singer, not professionally
Speaker 1: but she had a beautiful voice, and I was like,
Speaker 1: do I talk about my grandma? And it would have
Speaker 1: been a totally different result. I don't know if I'd
Speaker 1: be sitting here like, I don't know what would have
Speaker 1: happened if like that was the story I chose to tell.
Speaker 1: But I was like, no, I'm not going to exploit her.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like use her my loss of
Speaker 1: my grandmother as some like you know storyline and this sure,
Speaker 1: well I didn't know it's a straight at the time.
Speaker 1: I just kind of looked at it like an interview.
Speaker 1: So I put down what makes me me write? I'm
Speaker 1: a drama student. Um, I like to sing musical theater,
Speaker 1: but I also think bob, I, I do impressions. I like,
Speaker 1: can do different voices, I can talk with my mouth, clothes,
Speaker 1: like all these things that are just kind of won't
Speaker 1: make me unique because not everybody can do that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then tons of time goes by, I would say,
Speaker 1: like most of the summer. I think, again, this is
Speaker 1: all very the timeline is very blurry because it's not
Speaker 1: the way it looks on TV. I'm sure so they don't.
Speaker 1: So they called you back at a later days yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, Like so the way they make it seem
Speaker 1: where it's like, here's everybody lined up side, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm doing an expos on. I had all that good.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so there's the way they do they
Speaker 1: portray it on the show is here's these like hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of people and then Simon and Paul and
Speaker 1: are waiting waiting. Oh my god. Um So it's like
Speaker 1: months later that I go back for a second audition
Speaker 1: that's not not even yet televised. So I but this
Speaker 1: one I had like a little time to prepare for.
Speaker 1: They gave you a list of songs that you can sing.
Speaker 1: I like, go back and forth, you know, how who
Speaker 1: do I want to be? How do I want to sound?
Speaker 1: What do I want to do? And it was a
Speaker 1: weird headspace for me to be in because I wasn't
Speaker 1: really living my life as a vocalist. I was living
Speaker 1: my life as an acting student. So taking all of
Speaker 1: the things that I learned as like an experimental theater
Speaker 1: actor and then being like, what pop song do I
Speaker 1: want to sing? It was just the weirdest attention in
Speaker 1: my brain. And so they gave me this list, here's
Speaker 1: what you can sing, and I'm like, well, I should
Speaker 1: probably stay in the same lane as this like adevil
Speaker 1: thing that's happening right now. So that song Mercy by
Speaker 1: Duffy was everywhere at the time. I'm like, that would
Speaker 1: be a good one to do, I think, because I
Speaker 1: can show off focally and it feels like it's sort
Speaker 1: of un vogue right now. And then they say to
Speaker 1: have a backup song just in case. So I don't
Speaker 1: even know how I got there, And this speaks to like,
Speaker 1: this is so symbolic of me as a person, is
Speaker 1: that I end up going with this like Billie Holiday
Speaker 1: song that like no one knows um, And I think
Speaker 1: that was like the little like like indie girls and
Speaker 1: me being like something fucking weird. So so I have
Speaker 1: this like pop song and this like weird jazz standard
Speaker 1: that I can like riff up a bit and make
Speaker 1: it kind of cool again, like pure pures could be
Speaker 1: just like the purest right, and I go with the
Speaker 1: whole fam Sister, my mom my dad were like, we're
Speaker 1: getting in the car, we're driving to Buston and um,
Speaker 1: they take you to this kind of you know, I
Speaker 1: don't even know where we were. It was a space
Speaker 1: that had rooms yea conventions, I don't know. And the
Speaker 1: my first big mistake was what I chose to wear.
Speaker 1: I were um tube up which just why um? And
Speaker 1: and a skirt a highwaisted skirt that was just way
Speaker 1: too short and like my mom's like wouldn't protestly like heels.
Speaker 1: It was so bizarre. Um the look that I strung
Speaker 1: together and um again, this hair, this two thousand nine
Speaker 1: bangs moment um, just like the most uncomfortable you go through,
Speaker 1: like a second adolescence in college. It's so uncomfortable and um,
Speaker 1: it's like out there all the world to see. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so they take you to this space with these you
Speaker 1: know there were I'm wrong. There were two producers before
Speaker 1: the televised one. There are three auditions before you get
Speaker 1: on camera, so just know that when you're watching the
Speaker 1: voice like it's all the same ship. Okay. So so
Speaker 1: they take me into this room. I sing, it's good,
Speaker 1: they like it. Whatever I get, I'm getting, I'm getting
Speaker 1: moved in the next round. So then the next one
Speaker 1: is the key one because this is the one where
Speaker 1: they funk with you. Okay. So I go into this
Speaker 1: room and it's like these very British producers take that
Speaker 1: have you will? Um? And and so I sing my
Speaker 1: songs from and like, you know, great for television, great,
Speaker 1: great for television, bubbly great personality. Um. And you know
Speaker 1: what's great about you is that you you've done You've
Speaker 1: done a lot of Broadway. It's singing theater um. But
Speaker 1: you have a pop sound, which is great. Keep do
Speaker 1: that in the room, you know, really, wow, do that.
Speaker 1: You have a great pop sound. It's very pop. Keeps
Speaker 1: saying that to me. It's like it's not theatery at all.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. And I'm like, oh, that's awesome. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to hear that. Now I'm moving on. Okay, the people,
Speaker 1: the producers will take you and be like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you do your like Celendon impression? And can you do
Speaker 1: you do this? And can you talk with your mouth clothes?
Speaker 1: And they'll take you in a room interview you, um,
Speaker 1: and they'll have you kind of like do all these
Speaker 1: like fun things that you do with the camera on you.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like this is so fun, Like they
Speaker 1: love all this stuff that I can do. Um. The
Speaker 1: moment where they told me that I didn't have a
Speaker 1: theatery sound is key, So just remember that. So then um,
Speaker 1: I go into the room. I want to mention that
Speaker 1: before I went in, they had to shut down production
Speaker 1: because there was a severely autistic girl who had a
Speaker 1: breakdown when she was rejected. Um, so just know that
Speaker 1: that's like the fabric of this and so of course
Speaker 1: it just sort of it's the fabric of the show.
Speaker 1: And it also like put you affected you in whatever way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is this? Is this a
Speaker 1: scary thing? Should I be scared of what's about to happen?
Speaker 1: Because here I am thinking everyone's loves me so far.
Speaker 1: I got pipes, so I know I can do this.
Speaker 1: I've been told my whole life, like here I go solo. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's important. Um, and it haunts me. I think about
Speaker 1: that because I just think, Wow, that was like the
Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain. So I I go in and
Speaker 1: it's them. And this was when they had the guests.
Speaker 1: They started doing the guest judge. So mine was Victoria
Speaker 1: Beckham right right, vocalist Victoria Beckham, um, and then the
Speaker 1: other three assholes um. And then okay, so I go
Speaker 1: in and I sing mercy and they're just like you're
Speaker 1: so dramatic, and I was like, no, that's the opposite
Speaker 1: of what the producer said. But I can't say that
Speaker 1: because no one's supposed to know about one to three
Speaker 1: rounds of producers before this one. And then I just
Speaker 1: go to like, I'm like what, like I feel so
Speaker 1: mentally and you're and I've been sitting around for hours
Speaker 1: all day and this is like you're you're drained, so
Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't eaten and whatever. At the moment,
Speaker 1: I put my hand through my hair, so I was like, God,
Speaker 1: and he starts mocking me. When I walked into the room,
Speaker 1: I forgot this. They asked me, like it says here.
Speaker 1: I thought they would be like, so you do impressions,
Speaker 1: and I would do some impressions on camera for them there.
Speaker 1: But instead I had said something in my right and
Speaker 1: my interview or my um little sheet of paper about
Speaker 1: how I I this was again I'm in a weird
Speaker 1: place after my freshman year. But I said something about
Speaker 1: how I like I like to change a lot, like
Speaker 1: I changed my hair and like I I like to
Speaker 1: like you know, um, I do different voices because like
Speaker 1: I love change, like I don't know. It was like
Speaker 1: something I threw out there made at the focal point.
Speaker 1: So he's like says, too, you like to change a lot,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I just you know, right,
Speaker 1: and I try to kind of explain this really kind
Speaker 1: of macro concept, like and I know Victoria Simon in Victoria,
Speaker 1: and as soon as it's coming out of my mouth,
Speaker 1: I'm just like it's over right now, because like I
Speaker 1: just saw him being like he just cut me off
Speaker 1: and was like, okay, I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And I was like, anyway, So I sing this song
Speaker 1: and they're like that was horrible that it's so theory.
Speaker 1: You sound like Judy Garland. There's so much vibrato, like
Speaker 1: what is this? And he's making fun of me. He's
Speaker 1: doing this, he's doing this, and I get upset because
Speaker 1: I'm game being bullied and being sort of like me
Speaker 1: told that I'm not a good singer, which was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's some new information. Um So then I'm
Speaker 1: like please, like I've been ye all day. I don't
Speaker 1: say that, but like that's the emotion is that I've got.
Speaker 1: It's been all summer, you know. So I'm like, let
Speaker 1: me sing another song. So they agreed to let me
Speaker 1: sing another song. So I sing this weird Billie Holliday
Speaker 1: song and they're like again, no to theater eight. And
Speaker 1: then they're like, let's put it to a vote. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: m They wanted you to get upset, and you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy when they said yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: I was just fucking confused. So then I'm like tired
Speaker 1: and crying and come out with the Golden ticket and
Speaker 1: I'm like questioning my whole life and they have me
Speaker 1: like redo my reaction, and I'm and now I'm very
Speaker 1: aware of like because I'm like, this is there not,
Speaker 1: this is not feeling good. But you know, I committed.
Speaker 1: I said I'm going to Hollywood, so I did. I
Speaker 1: did am academic semester where I took only music classes.
Speaker 1: I took you know, piano lessons. I was like voice lessons.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show I'm going to do this thing right. You literally
Speaker 1: change your educational path. Yes, absolutely, between that audition in
Speaker 1: Hollywood so much, I would say the entire false semester.
Speaker 1: So yeah, December you went, yes and my and my
Speaker 1: audition with them, happened over the summer, right, So now
Speaker 1: December you go to Hollywood. Yes, and also know that
Speaker 1: in between that time that that interim, I signed an
Speaker 1: insane contract. Okay, describe Can you describe the contract? I
Speaker 1: don't know, all right, so let's not it's been put
Speaker 1: out there. It definitely has, so we know we can say,
Speaker 1: I'll say for you, we can say the contract basically
Speaker 1: allows them to uh portray you in ways that you
Speaker 1: might not agree with or or be privy to. But
Speaker 1: they're giving you this opportunity, and so you sign a
Speaker 1: con track that says you can't do anything about the
Speaker 1: way we show you. Right, Okay, so you go to Hollywood.
Speaker 1: So I go to Hollywood, and um, I do that
Speaker 1: first round in Hollywood, and it's my one good audition.
Speaker 1: They can never show it. What did they say there?
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, and I know that I sound insane
Speaker 1: when I say this, But Randy Jackson said, I sound
Speaker 1: like Beyonce, and I will always remember that. So great.
Speaker 1: That's so to say to a young white woman. But
Speaker 1: but who literally if you sound wonderful but not like
Speaker 1: Randy Jackson? You know music producer, who knows? But this
Speaker 1: is the thing about this show is that it all
Speaker 1: felt like like it was more theatrical than anything I
Speaker 1: was doing at school. It was like nobody is saying
Speaker 1: what it was so choreographed, and who are the judges?
Speaker 1: Now it's Randy, and then it was yes, it was
Speaker 1: those three. But then they also had Ellen. Okay, so
Speaker 1: like so well that one goes extremely well, they don't
Speaker 1: show it. I'm like, oh my god, I'm moving on.
Speaker 1: Then it's the Group Round, Famous Group Round, just as
Speaker 1: as exhausting and horrifying as they make it ease, because
Speaker 1: you stay up all night because you're you literally have
Speaker 1: to be there like the next morning, and they give
Speaker 1: you the songs like the night before, so they set
Speaker 1: you up for a failure. And the other thing that
Speaker 1: they did was they were like, um, we had choices
Speaker 1: of songs to sing. Three of them were normal like
Speaker 1: easy songs, or two of them whatever, how many there were, um,
Speaker 1: and one of them was the Sweet Escape by Gwen,
Speaker 1: And of course everyone's like mothering that one. I would
Speaker 1: like them and like in retrospect of course, which the
Speaker 1: plot of that episode was, no one can get these
Speaker 1: lyrics like, you know, because aren't words. There's no words
Speaker 1: I can do it for you perfectly, and I will.
Speaker 1: But so, so okay. The first mess up thing is
Speaker 1: that they're like chooser groups, and it's like, okay, because
Speaker 1: this is huge. Who you end up with is like
Speaker 1: all a part of how this goes right. So I
Speaker 1: look around I don't I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to many people. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. And I see this guy. He's like from
Speaker 1: Long Island. We met because we're from the same place,
Speaker 1: and I was like him, okay. So I go to
Speaker 1: him and he's with two other guys. So suddenly I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can work with this. It's like three big dudes
Speaker 1: in me. Like that's like a fun thing. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like show and uh no. Um. So then they
Speaker 1: have this moment where they set us all down, the
Speaker 1: producers and they're like, who's who's doing this song? And
Speaker 1: everyone's like, me, who's doing this song? Who's doing the
Speaker 1: sweet Escape cricket? And then and I think everyone's just
Speaker 1: dumber because people are so vulnerable that it's entired and
Speaker 1: they're just like whatever you say. So they're like, really,
Speaker 1: no one's doing the Sweet Escape? The judges are gonna
Speaker 1: want to hear that one or like they say something
Speaker 1: along those lines that feels like maybe we should do
Speaker 1: it right. So we're like, oh, let's do the subverse, like,
Speaker 1: let's do the thing that no one's expecting and do
Speaker 1: the sweet Escape. That's so fun. So we did the
Speaker 1: Sweet Escape. We're like, I'm like choreographing with three grown
Speaker 1: men dance at I mean, I went without my family
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm doing this and I had
Speaker 1: no support. I mean, so all the confidence goes out
Speaker 1: the window. You know. Of course we get up there
Speaker 1: and we're like, no one remembers my whole group gets eliminated.
Speaker 1: While I'm in l A, I put on the TV
Speaker 1: one night, or rather, I got some texts that said
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff like you're on Oh my god, Amanda,
Speaker 1: this is so exciting blah blah bah because sorry, go flashback.
Speaker 1: I I when they showed the Boston auditions, they didn't
Speaker 1: show me. So when I went to Hollywood, I thought
Speaker 1: I got out scotfree. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: They're not going to show my audition, Like this is amazing.
Speaker 1: I have a fresh start. But they did the Best
Speaker 1: of Show and you were on that, and I was
Speaker 1: on that, and I was blindsided, and if you were,
Speaker 1: what was happening, oh right after you got eliminated? It
Speaker 1: was I think it was before, but I might as
Speaker 1: well have been eliminated because when I saw the audition,
Speaker 1: you knew it wasn't like a Winners audition. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: that audition. So how did they was a trauma that
Speaker 1: I'm still dealing with. How did they make you look
Speaker 1: really unwell well or just too much? Like just a mess?
Speaker 1: I mean, as someone who's you who've seen it, I
Speaker 1: will say they edited you into a dramatic theater kids,
Speaker 1: like I understand it was. It was just clips of Amanda,
Speaker 1: like doing the impressions and talking with the mouth closed
Speaker 1: and like saying that she acts and then these things
Speaker 1: that Amanda would not necessarily offer up front to someone
Speaker 1: she's just getting to know. But the the edit was
Speaker 1: by the way I can do impressions, I can s
Speaker 1: it was like, what is going on? And then also
Speaker 1: the really telling thing is they show your audition and
Speaker 1: they don't show you singing mercy. So this is the
Speaker 1: other thing is that they in the editing, they show
Speaker 1: me starting with good morning heartache which did not happen.
Speaker 1: Did not happen. It started with mercy, so they didn't
Speaker 1: show mercy. They just I was had already been told
Speaker 1: you're not getting through and I was emoting when they
Speaker 1: start my audition, which was brilliant editing, but you know,
Speaker 1: it just it was I had its teacher or she
Speaker 1: was sort of a head of a department in college
Speaker 1: who when I went back to school and was just
Speaker 1: a shell of a human. Um, I had to take
Speaker 1: a whole semester off, which because I did that, I
Speaker 1: took the leave of absence because I thought, well, what
Speaker 1: if I make it? Then I was just living at
Speaker 1: home while all my friends were like at school and
Speaker 1: doing all the things. And I went through a lot
Speaker 1: with that, you know, taught myself to play an instrument
Speaker 1: like you, because I needed to get a sense of grounding.
Speaker 1: After being portrayed, I was like, oh, I'm a nightmare,
Speaker 1: and um, all the things I feared about myself are true, which,
Speaker 1: of course you know now I know that's not true mirrors.
Speaker 1: But I was nineteen years old the season nine, and
Speaker 1: that's that sounds like a leader. She It was the
Speaker 1: season that lead Dewise forgotten and who really cares. But
Speaker 1: at the time, it's like you look at the ratings
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, million people watching it, So then
Speaker 1: you're like, it's public shaming. But I had this advisor
Speaker 1: or this person tell me, Um, I think one of
Speaker 1: the biggest m challenges for you getting through this is
Speaker 1: accepting that that person is a part of you. And
Speaker 1: it was so hard to hear. But in a way,
Speaker 1: it's like I think she sort of had this foresight
Speaker 1: of me in the future reclaiming this and being like
Speaker 1: able to laugh at it and think that it's ridiculous
Speaker 1: because I remember when we first met. I always like,
Speaker 1: when you shared this with me, Um, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, well you just gotta laugh at it. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people have that reaction, but that is
Speaker 1: like it's simplistic. It's not easy to get there. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: because you know there's also these things in your mind
Speaker 1: which are like I take myself seriously and I look
Speaker 1: like a joke. The biggest show in the world made
Speaker 1: like a joke, which is why comedy was such a
Speaker 1: saving grace for me, because it was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm in on it. You know. It was like I
Speaker 1: could drive the car instead of being this person who
Speaker 1: was vulnerable and pure and out there in earnest and
Speaker 1: people were like ha ha ha, you know, and and
Speaker 1: so it feels like protective and good to be like
Speaker 1: I see and I make fun of myself and it's
Speaker 1: it's all a part of man. I can quit with
Speaker 1: the best of them. Yes, And I want to I
Speaker 1: want to ask, because we talk about the voice, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the voice. Do you do you when you
Speaker 1: watch the shows now you like American Eiles coming back?
Speaker 1: I mean they definitely changed their identity because you know,
Speaker 1: from William hung to now. So this was but that
Speaker 1: was the other thing I was going to say is
Speaker 1: that the reason that those people will William Unk should
Speaker 1: have never happened. And the really really and the reason
Speaker 1: that those things happen and those people get on the
Speaker 1: show and like what you say to yourself, like okay,
Speaker 1: but like they're asking for it. Why they clearly have
Speaker 1: the talented No, because you take a person that is
Speaker 1: down on their luck looking for a ticket anything anything right,
Speaker 1: or you take a person that is not well or
Speaker 1: or you know, any what happened is not even in
Speaker 1: William when William Hunk's case not even assimilated to the culture.
Speaker 1: Somebody who's on the outskirts of of of mainstream culture
Speaker 1: or whatever. That you take that person in the producer
Speaker 1: room and you say you're terrific, you have an amazing
Speaker 1: voice with and you mean it. It's cruel, and then
Speaker 1: you flip it on them, and then there it's being televised.
Speaker 1: It's very it's very cruel. It is a cult. It
Speaker 1: perpetuates a culture of bullying. And I'm glad that the
Speaker 1: show was canceled. I cannot believe it's coming back. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can. I feel like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that they've cleaned up their image and that
Speaker 1: it's going to be a different thing, because I think
Speaker 1: just as a culture, we've moved into this place. I
Speaker 1: cannot Obviously there's people that don't feel this way, but
Speaker 1: in pop culture at least, I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: shift towards self care and being kind and that they're
Speaker 1: positive right Voice. I mean, you know, The Voice is
Speaker 1: still a real pity show, but they don't humiliate people.
Speaker 1: They don't humiliate people, and even the people who don't
Speaker 1: move forward, they leave with dignity. Yes, every people seriously,
Speaker 1: they're all vocalists, which is why the show is better
Speaker 1: is because you're watching people with talent compete and not
Speaker 1: people who are looking to be on TV exactly as
Speaker 1: a first and foremost priority. There are so many people
Speaker 1: who are on Idol who I think just wanted to
Speaker 1: get in front of a camera, and that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: on the Voice. The Voice has a vetting process, they
Speaker 1: have a casting process, they have a casting direct, they
Speaker 1: have somebody that reaches out to already established artists and says,
Speaker 1: do you want a competition for the Voy or not
Speaker 1: necessarily artists who are getting a lot of attention but
Speaker 1: are out there. You know, they'll reach out to those people.
Speaker 1: So I feel warmer feelings for The Voice because I
Speaker 1: feel like that show is trying to help these artists.
Speaker 1: It's about mentorship and it's it's about what it says,
Speaker 1: which is the Voice Idol's mission. First of all, Idol
Speaker 1: started in England, and yeah, there is an approach to reality.
Speaker 1: There's there's that that was I think co opted and
Speaker 1: done here and not not well not well yeah I
Speaker 1: would you no, no, no, I I think that yeah,
Speaker 1: would you ever ever audition for the Voice yeah. Every
Speaker 1: time I watch I have that same thing that happens
Speaker 1: after my freshman year where I was like, I can
Speaker 1: do it, I could do it, like I know I could.
Speaker 1: I placed of course, And then they'll have like a
Speaker 1: like not a confessional but a talking head moment or
Speaker 1: like that, a moment where there and I'll see the
Speaker 1: working inner workings of it the reality show, and it
Speaker 1: just turns me off. And I just have the past
Speaker 1: trauma of like going putting myself out. And I know
Speaker 1: they wouldn't make me look bad or stupid, but but
Speaker 1: that the element of like I'm performing self yeah no, no, no,
Speaker 1: really freaks me out also. And this I don't take
Speaker 1: this to be simplistic in that same way of like
Speaker 1: you gotta laugh at it, but um, I think just
Speaker 1: with you being able to sort of see that in
Speaker 1: the moment, I think that's a sign that you've taken
Speaker 1: the trauma and like you're wearing it as an armor
Speaker 1: now because it's like, oh no, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: put myself in that dangerous position again because I know
Speaker 1: what that is. And like and people always there's a
Speaker 1: tendency to like let the wounds be there, like but
Speaker 1: like the shield of being able to like poke at
Speaker 1: it and laugh at myself has been so much more
Speaker 1: healing for me then, And and like there's there's therapy
Speaker 1: to be had, and like I will I am processing
Speaker 1: this and it's it's all there, but like I like
Speaker 1: taking the power away from it. Yeah, And and and
Speaker 1: a lot of people we'll see this tape of this
Speaker 1: audition tape and be like like, but it's always going
Speaker 1: to be a bigger deal to you, right, And so
Speaker 1: sometimes I have this self conscious moment of like, oh God,
Speaker 1: am I like Swan songing about this thing that's like
Speaker 1: actually not that big a deal. No, But I think
Speaker 1: it's important to share it because I think it reveals
Speaker 1: something about something that we all butt into. We still are,
Speaker 1: and we still are. You gotta imagine they sign a
Speaker 1: similar contract with the Voice, they don't go through with
Speaker 1: it the way that they did. Or I'll have moments
Speaker 1: watching the Voice where I'm like, how organic are these
Speaker 1: times where the judges, Yeah, like that's always whenever I'm
Speaker 1: laughing at Adam and Blake whatever, Henry always is like
Speaker 1: jokes and he's like always like wow, they're so funny.
Speaker 1: And I was just like I I catch myself making fun.
Speaker 1: Let's hear another song. Let's let's talk about this next
Speaker 1: song You're going to do by famous contemporary singer adele Um.
Speaker 1: This song, I feel like this song had such a
Speaker 1: moment and I really love her. I just think there's
Speaker 1: something really special about her as an artist. For me,
Speaker 1: it was that moment at the Grammys. Was that the
Speaker 1: Grammys when she did the tribute two I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: so bad now whatever, it doesn't matter, but it was
Speaker 1: She's got so many George Michael, Yes, yes, and she
Speaker 1: said she when she stopped it and said, I have
Speaker 1: to write for him. That was the most compelling thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen a singer do. Because there's or or
Speaker 1: or uh a pop star do right the facade because
Speaker 1: that also and she's also like raising a huge middle
Speaker 1: thing or like the TV producers And I'm just like
Speaker 1: this again because and like to to quote sort of
Speaker 1: Henry's mantra, like none of it's real, nothing, nothing's real,
Speaker 1: nothing is to be like and and and the charade
Speaker 1: of celebrity and just the whole thing, especially with with
Speaker 1: these with these singers, these vocalists, I mean like five
Speaker 1: ft two, like I I was so it's moved by that.
Speaker 1: And like, and I just watched Elaine Stretches documentary or
Speaker 1: the documentary about Elane Stretch, and I'm I'm really fascinated
Speaker 1: with this right now, this like this thing of singer
Speaker 1: in the spotlight. It's just it's really interesting. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I have to send you this New York Times article
Speaker 1: about Miles and Whitney. Please all that stuff, amy, like
Speaker 1: all the Michigan I'm so, I'm so interested in that,
Speaker 1: you'd just word for insanity. Um yeah, so I love
Speaker 1: I love Azo. This song was like a huge moment
Speaker 1: I think on her album and I did a little
Speaker 1: cover of it at one point, and uh, this is
Speaker 1: just like kind of fun. So now, um I had
Speaker 1: an ex shoot and record that and that's it was
Speaker 1: this like my friends calling me, who knew that. We
Speaker 1: were like, how dare you be so meta? Because the
Speaker 1: song is all about that relationship. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: hear it when we were young. M m. Everybody loves
Speaker 1: the things you do, from the way you talk to
Speaker 1: the way everybody here is watching you because you feel
Speaker 1: like home. You're like a dream come true. But if
Speaker 1: by chance you're here long, can I have a moment
Speaker 1: before I go, because I've been from myself all night long,
Speaker 1: hoping you're someone. How you soon know? You look like
Speaker 1: a movie. You sound like a song. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this reminds me. But when we were you let me
Speaker 1: phone wouldn't grab you in this light in case it
Speaker 1: is the last time that we might be exactly alike
Speaker 1: we were before we realized we were sad of getting
Speaker 1: old and made us dress less. It was just like
Speaker 1: a movie. It was just like a song. I was
Speaker 1: so scared to face my feet. Nobody told me that
Speaker 1: you would be and I swore you moved overseas. That's
Speaker 1: what you say when you left me. It still looks
Speaker 1: like a movie. You still sound like a song. My
Speaker 1: godess reminds me where we were. You let me phontograph
Speaker 1: you in this light in case it is the last
Speaker 1: time that we might be exactly like we were before
Speaker 1: we realized we were sad of getting old to made
Speaker 1: us rass lace. It was just like a movie. It
Speaker 1: was just like a song. And we were young when
Speaker 1: we were on, when we were u, when we were
Speaker 1: tired to win me back. Everything just takes me back
Speaker 1: to when you were there, to when you were there,
Speaker 1: and the part of me keeps holding on just in
Speaker 1: case it hasn't gone. I guess I still care? Do
Speaker 1: you still care? It was just like a movie. It
Speaker 1: was just like a song. God, this reminds me but
Speaker 1: where we were on O case it is the last
Speaker 1: time that we might be exactly like we were before
Speaker 1: we realized we were sad again. Lord and made us restless,
Speaker 1: Get made me read less. It was just like a movie.
Speaker 1: It was just like a soul when we are you. Wow,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I just held my breath for that
Speaker 1: entire time. It's just such a good song. It's such
Speaker 1: a good performance of the song. Thank you, Henry oh Man.
Speaker 1: So here's what I think we should do. I think
Speaker 1: we should do. I don't think so, honey. I think
Speaker 1: we're all going to do it. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: And then I think we'll do one more song to
Speaker 1: close it out. Yes, that sounds good. That sounds great.
Speaker 1: That sounds great to me. Um, this is so good. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I don't think so, honey. Um. By the way,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming out to all
Speaker 1: of our shows that we've had fun. Yeah, Cult Wars
Speaker 1: a big success and then you guys so much for that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think so honey. At the Bellhouse, that
Speaker 1: was like a dream come true for my best friend
Speaker 1: Bowen and I and um, those episodes are going to
Speaker 1: be out in a couple of weeks. Um, and here
Speaker 1: we go, so boone Yang. Do you want to do
Speaker 1: your own things? Do you know if you have something?
Speaker 1: I have something I haven't. I have the seed of
Speaker 1: the kernel of something. Yeah, he's got the kernel bit alright,
Speaker 1: So um, this is Bowe yangs. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: People who don't fucking like talking about the weather, or
Speaker 1: they think that that's that it's like shitty small talk,
Speaker 1: you guys. The weather is the thing that binds us
Speaker 1: all together. It's the great equalizer. It's something that we
Speaker 1: all share in common. It's a shared experience the world over,
Speaker 1: the community over. At least I want to talk about
Speaker 1: how it's rainy outside, or how there's a do in
Speaker 1: the air this morning. Isn't there in the elevator? Look,
Speaker 1: don't crucify me for wanting to talk to meteorology. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. You know what I just want
Speaker 1: to make small talk with you because it's an entry
Speaker 1: point and then I can get to know more about
Speaker 1: your fucking small business. You fucking ding dong, fuck you.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, hony. People who don't like talking
Speaker 1: about the weathers, you gotta keep going. It's the great equalizer,
Speaker 1: as I said, and it bears repeating, bitch, so listen,
Speaker 1: talk to me about how it's warm in Portland this
Speaker 1: time of year, and um, you know, actually, um, you
Speaker 1: know the Poconos aren't as cold as you would think
Speaker 1: in December. That yeah, that was beautiful. And you know what,
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't think so, honey. It can just be seconds.
Speaker 1: But no, it's can't. And I mean, but we're in
Speaker 1: such a again. I'll say it dropped in place because
Speaker 1: I love the vibe in this episode, because this vibe
Speaker 1: is very laid back, and we're all feeling very comfortable,
Speaker 1: and we've just been truly sung beautiful music should be.
Speaker 1: Ja is sitting here enjoying as well, and we are
Speaker 1: very gig all right, So now I'll do mine. This
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey, And
Speaker 1: his time starts now. I don't think so honey ed Shearon, Sharon,
Speaker 1: you want to know what you are? The third most
Speaker 1: suffable Ed Ed Harris is number one. Mr Ed the
Speaker 1: Talking Horses number two, and then there's you, bitch. You
Speaker 1: want to believe in the Illuminati? Look at Ed Sharon
Speaker 1: and understand that that man is famous. Okay, some dark
Speaker 1: magic is going into that. Yes, can he plung a
Speaker 1: plung plung on the guitar and do something? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you know what, It certainly doesn't excuse
Speaker 1: him rapping. Yes, I said, rapping on the New Tailorship's
Speaker 1: album reputation. And no, it is not acceptable for Taylor herself.
Speaker 1: But you know what, she can She can kind of
Speaker 1: do it. Ed Shearon cannot do it? And I said
Speaker 1: to Taylor, well, I never said this to her, but
Speaker 1: I would say this. T say, listen, it's one thing
Speaker 1: if you want to appropriate the house down, but don't
Speaker 1: drag your friend into it. Because now I know what
Speaker 1: she's doing. I tell herself, she wants to make sure
Speaker 1: she is using him as a shield. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey ed Sheeron. I'm not going to make a hobbit joke,
Speaker 1: but I guess I just Did'm so mad about plung
Speaker 1: a pung pung. Honestly, the fact that he is number one.
Speaker 1: He's starting to talk about having sex and his songs
Speaker 1: and I don't want to fucking picture that. Do you
Speaker 1: know how many streams? Do you know how many streams
Speaker 1: Shape of You has on Spotify? Like a hundred billion,
Speaker 1: one point five billion? No, which is crazy. Damn, there
Speaker 1: is something happening. I've had some magic. You're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: and magic. He appropriated all his albums are like plus
Speaker 1: minus divide whatever. He appropriated math from my fucking people.
Speaker 1: So he appropriated that to fuck at Sharon. We're not
Speaker 1: into it, all right. So now is Henry's time? Henry? Okay,
Speaker 1: Henry has he he wanted to do it. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. He's going to get this moment to
Speaker 1: shine right now. Henry, of course did one of the
Speaker 1: great I don't think so, honey. Is at the first
Speaker 1: I don't think which was I don't think so any
Speaker 1: dancing and now we're gonna have I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Katrina Rogers,
Speaker 1: mother of Matt Rogers, oh my god, you are a
Speaker 1: loving sweet, generous woman, and we're probably a great mother,
Speaker 1: But you did not teach your son how to recycle.
Speaker 1: He does not know the difference between paper and plastic
Speaker 1: and metal and ten. Maybe he doesn't know to read
Speaker 1: how to read, and that's fine, that's nothing to be
Speaker 1: ashamed of. But I think he does know how to read, okay.
Speaker 1: And I even labeled three different bins paper and cardboard
Speaker 1: and then plastic, aluminum and etcetera, and then trash are
Speaker 1: super when we moved into our apartment, said it's very
Speaker 1: important that you separate these things. He looked us both
Speaker 1: in the eyes and asked that. And I've done a
Speaker 1: lot to make sure that happens, including label everything. Also, Matt,
Speaker 1: take the trash out every once in a while, like
Speaker 1: maybe at least once a month. Please? Um oh sorry,
Speaker 1: this is about Katrina. You were so love and beautiful
Speaker 1: and wonderful and funny, and you gave so much that
Speaker 1: to your son. But teach them how to recycle? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, And that's whys have to deal with me
Speaker 1: for a much longer. Oh So, I'm sorry, but where
Speaker 1: to start off? I'm go trash, recycle, recycling. You don't
Speaker 1: take out the trash I do. Sometimes that's my worst pipe.
Speaker 1: One of my worst pet peeves is when my roommates
Speaker 1: take out the trash. I have to do everything I do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel really ambushed by the like Matt Henry,
Speaker 1: honestly of this episode, do you think it's you don't
Speaker 1: think it's beautiful, you don't think you don't think it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's it's so beautiful. It is beautiful. It's a night,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an exemplary, you know, sort of dynamic.
Speaker 1: This is the moment for Amanda Scheckmans. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This is the moment, not knowing I had to do
Speaker 1: on these until imagine this is Amanda's I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: People that think it's funny or interesting to talk about
Speaker 1: how short I am talked about before I am. I okay,
Speaker 1: like I was born, b I went to the doctor.
Speaker 1: I know my goddamn high. When I reached five ft zero,
Speaker 1: that was a big goddamn moment for me. Okay, that
Speaker 1: was huge. I was four eleven For so long I
Speaker 1: thought I'm never going to reach five. Now you're gonna
Speaker 1: take my five ft zero and take that away from
Speaker 1: me and talk about who. When guys do this, I
Speaker 1: want to fucking kill them. Use my head as an
Speaker 1: arm rest one more time. I fucking dare you. I
Speaker 1: fucking There's so many more interesting things to talk about.
Speaker 1: I am a really complex person. There's a lot that
Speaker 1: you can learn about me. But when people feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: they go to the most simplistic thing, which is you know, actually,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you can't really comment on a
Speaker 1: person's appearance. But for some reason, it's very fucking game.
Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the tall people too,
Speaker 1: because the people that talk about how tall you are,
Speaker 1: that's sucking dumb. Also, don't talk about how tall someone
Speaker 1: is or how short someone is because you're somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle. For you. Don't talk about my hype bitch.
Speaker 1: That was great and that was culture, and that was
Speaker 1: culture and uncovered something new big time. That it's it's
Speaker 1: fair game. Height is game. When you talk about from
Speaker 1: now on talking about someone's height and objectifying it, it
Speaker 1: is canceled. We cancel it. In fact, it's rule number
Speaker 1: ninety one of culture. Talking about someone's height and objectifying
Speaker 1: them is canceled. Oh my god, now I want to leave.
Speaker 1: I want to leave. On a fun note, We've had
Speaker 1: to kind of like like kind of like um emotional ballads.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm having this problem with my show. We
Speaker 1: are going to sing Dangerous Woman by Ariana Grande, and
Speaker 1: so we're going to go out with this. So um.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt Roger and we've had on our
Speaker 1: show and accompanying Amanda is Henry Koperski, and we've had
Speaker 1: the amazing Amanda Shaksman. Yes, and we're at the Duplex
Speaker 1: on December four, seven pm. Amanda Shakman hates this thing.
Speaker 1: Get your tickets are You're gonna be missing out? So
Speaker 1: here we got Dangerous Woman by Amanda Shakman. It's on
Speaker 1: your permission. Made my decision to testimony mad because it's
Speaker 1: my business. God has my witness started with a fine?
Speaker 1: Don't need no hold up taking control of this kinds
Speaker 1: of moment. I'm locked and noted, completely focused. My mind
Speaker 1: is open. Oh that you got skin to skin? O
Speaker 1: my god, don't your supper something bag you makes me
Speaker 1: feel like a dangerous woman? Something about something about something
Speaker 1: bag you makes me wonder do think that I should
Speaker 1: something bout something back nothing to proven. I'm bullet proofing,
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. And then the way we're moving,
Speaker 1: like introducing assonerthing. I want to save her, save it
Speaker 1: for later, that taste of flavor because I'm a taker,
Speaker 1: because I'm a giver. It's only nature and live for
Speaker 1: dant Oh that you got skin to skin? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: don't your sapp but something back and makes me feel
Speaker 1: like a dangerous we're made. Something that you makes me
Speaker 1: one do things that I should take something about something
Speaker 1: that something doer ocus want to be like that backers
Speaker 1: underneath the light that You'll know how I'm feeling inside
Speaker 1: something about August wanna be hig that bad girls some
Speaker 1: should be drug. You know how I'm feeling inside. Something
Speaker 1: bagging makes can't something bagging makes me one do things
Speaker 1: that I should. August wanna be like that. They don't
Speaker 1: any hate like that. You know how I'm feeling san
Speaker 1: August want to be like that. Bad goes on like that,
Speaker 1: You're not how I'm feeling in say yes. This has
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