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Speaker 1: Thank you all. Ding Dong Lost culture Resta is calling.

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Speaker 1: I am in this room right now with the glacier.

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Speaker 1: You are ice cold. No, I'm not what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Is it the weather? It's the weather. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little tired and I'm in this you know,

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Speaker 1: lope not low place, just like, um, I just took

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Speaker 1: a soul cycle classes. So I'm just like a little

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Speaker 1: you know, endorphined out. I'm crashing a little. That's okay.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone is always on, but I'm saying I'm on.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely fuck you, I'm on. I'm not saying you're

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Speaker 1: not on. I'm saying now, I understand you've released a

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Speaker 1: lot of physical energies actually, and I'm I'm in a

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Speaker 1: very good place right now and I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: for me and my my body doesn't manifest that in

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Speaker 1: like a let's go. Let's go. So I'm not being

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Speaker 1: a glacier. Please refrain from calling me a fucking a

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Speaker 1: thing that's melting, honestly, and that's sad. And how dare

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Speaker 1: you relictit that image? How dare you? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that the listeners of last culture ass will feel sad

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Speaker 1: when they when they hear the word glacier and then

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Speaker 1: they think about across the world what's happening? Absolutely? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it's you know, it's something that we have to

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Speaker 1: fix in our lifetime. What would you do about global warming?

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Speaker 1: I would, um, you know, just tax carbon baby, Now

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Speaker 1: would you do? What would you do me? Yeah? Um?

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Speaker 1: I would write Leonardo DiCaprio a letter, Yeah yeah, because

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Speaker 1: he's the one I will. I write him a person

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Speaker 1: a letter because I feel that he has the influence

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Speaker 1: also at the bottom of the letter, I would include

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Speaker 1: a PostScript and that would say, PA, punk script, I

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Speaker 1: feel that you could really reduce your carbon footprint as well,

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Speaker 1: for I don't think so, honey. That does come at

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Speaker 1: the end of the episode classically, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: so honey let on DiCaprio and him being all inconvenient truth. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: you see him on his fucking yachts on yachts on

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Speaker 1: yachts with all these models. So and you have to

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Speaker 1: imagine that man takes a private jet. Yeah, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: fly commercial airline. He's not God. There's this insane woman

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Speaker 1: on the internet who has all of her trash from

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Speaker 1: the past five years in a jar because she just

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Speaker 1: does not want any waste. And even God bless her,

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Speaker 1: she's doing She's doing God's work, but she has all

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Speaker 1: her ship and one jot. So it's so annoying. That

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Speaker 1: sounds annoying. Beyond annoying, it sounds not realistically feasible, not

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Speaker 1: realistically feasible. But you know what is realistically feasible this.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the set up real fast, because this

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Speaker 1: is a new little rig, a new little you know,

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Speaker 1: a new little set up. I think that's why you're

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Speaker 1: now I don't understand. He's not being the glacier. He's

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Speaker 1: merely being dropped in. Tell Us tell us all where

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Speaker 1: we are sitting. We are back in hot engineer Ronnie's

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Speaker 1: apartment and he has laid out the couch and we,

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Speaker 1: Matt and I are just luxuriating on the couch. You

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Speaker 1: could call us splayed out. We're splayed out and Honey

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Speaker 1: across from us. Yes, we have to. We have two guests,

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Speaker 1: fabulous guests. Now let's introduce one. Yes, welllet's first introduced

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Speaker 1: prior guests of the show. You can catch them every

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night at Club Coming doing the amazing Cabernet Cabaret

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Speaker 1: with the luminous Catherine. And this is Henry Koperski. Hello, Henry.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be back here you guys. This

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Speaker 1: is historic. This makes you our second return asked, maybe third,

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Speaker 1: if you count Pat, which we don't. We don't. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Henry. Thank you. Now before we move on, Henry

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Speaker 1: actually told me he wanted to He wanted to really

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Speaker 1: this is when what you said. You've been getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions. Oh yeah, So I'm often talked about

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Speaker 1: accepting new new strange tale. He that's what you did.

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Speaker 1: He just wants to clarify. And you know, a good

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Speaker 1: I I wish there was you know. I wish Shonda

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Speaker 1: Rhymes was in there was in the room with you all,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, not everything is such drama, Shanda. It's actually

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Speaker 1: rule number twelve of culture, not not everything is such drama, Shanda. Now,

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Speaker 1: we're so happy to have Henry Beck in thank you

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Speaker 1: for Thank you, Hanna. But the main event today, Yes, now,

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Speaker 1: this is such an exciting episode for Bonn and another

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Speaker 1: hearing the trades. Do you read the trade? Read the trade?

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Speaker 1: So the trades are saying that December four, It's Monday,

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Speaker 1: December four, that's seven pm at the Duplex. This is

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Speaker 1: the event of the season, the winter event of the season.

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Speaker 1: You know how in two thousand and six when dream

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Speaker 1: called Amanda Shakman hates to sing. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guilt and bullshit, but there's also

423
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: like a good amount of triumph and sort of like, um,

424
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: it instills a sense of, I don't know, celebration a

425
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: little bit more than I think some of the guilt

426
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: that's associated with religions. Yeah, that's what That's what appealed

427
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: to my sister when you converted. It's it's not really

428
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,239
Speaker 1: a religion about shame or punishment or anything. It's not

429
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: anything punitive. It's it's always about remembering, remembering and being

430
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: a good person, leaving the world in a better place

431
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: than you came. And I was like, oh, yeah, like

432
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: that does make sense. Um, I've talked about this a lot,

433
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, folk the folklore in Judaism and I I

434
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of like music and there. Yes,

435
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: I love some of the traditions and Judaism and really

436
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: into some of that and also botzvah themes. Oh sure,

437
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: what was yours? Was? In my life? Wof theme? My

438
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: theme was, Now this is very complex. Um that it

439
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: was Broadway. I don't understand. I'll explain it to another time.

440
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, like, that's like the perfect like that,

441
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: like it's not specific, but it is. It's right. I

442
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's like, no, the theme is going

443
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: to be Broadway, and you're like, Okay, at the time,

444
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: everyone was like you she picked the Broadway. But now

445
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: it's like that's amazing, Okay, so so funny. There's nothing

446
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: fun are so zero And I'm like, how this was

447
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: like the theme was applied? Um, okay, I love talking

448
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: about this. So first I'll tell you just just a

449
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: sort of esthetic element is that each of my tables

450
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: and like insane to think that just to have tables

451
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: at thirteen years like just around it is so wild.

452
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: Were was it a candle celebration as well? Now to

453
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: light my eleventh yeah, I did all the thing. I

454
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: had the cancel lighting the montage. I sang reflection from

455
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: Mulan God, bless you, thank you so much. I made

456
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: my friends sit down and watch me singing reflection, which

457
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: is like like sort of a dark song, you know,

458
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's not no, it's like who it's

459
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: an identity Christ not Broadway, but thank you for bringing

460
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: Asian culture into your you know. That's like when when um,

461
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: I think it was Bill Clinton got inaugurated, Aretha Franklin

462
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: came up and sang I dreamed a dream from lay Miss,

463
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: which is like just a devastating like essentially like the

464
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: last rattle cry of like Fantine and like people don't

465
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: understand contact No, but anyway, the aesthetic element was that

466
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: I had on my tables my center pieces. Um, I

467
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: went to some like place in Long Island that did

468
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: like moments to stuff and I like, you know, and

469
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: so they were all playbills through the year, but it

470
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: was my I was and I had seen this at

471
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: another girl's bought mitzvah that you know, right, and of

472
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: course like in in classic, just like my family, my

473
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: life fashion, it was like it was like watered down,

474
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: for it was just not quite there when you look

475
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: at a pinter sport and then you want to do

476
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: the thing and then and then just never turns out

477
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: that way exactly. And like my dress was the same way.

478
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: It was like custom made, but it fell apart like

479
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: halfway there. You know. I try, I'm always trying. The

480
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: center pieces were playbills, and but instead it was just

481
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: pictures of me doing the thing that's in that play

482
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: about so instead of what I wanted was like my

483
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: face superimposed onto like the actual thing, which it would

484
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: have been crazy like the graphics required for that. I mean,

485
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but then what ended up happening,

486
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: what ended up happening was like hair spray, you know,

487
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: and I can't this is all, but it's the face.

488
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: So it's just me like no effect, this mouth, open,

489
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: hands on my cheeks, close up like dead eyes. You know,

490
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: she's giving us a perfect Merissa Jarrett Winoker face right now,

491
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: cut out the white background with the blue hair and

492
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: then but no, no, not even effects. But then would

493
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: you have the logo of the show over? Yeah, so

494
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: I had like hairspray at the top. The best the

495
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: tord force though, was rent because famously there's there's nine

496
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: and is like nothing. So it's just like the awkward

497
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: thirteen year old body like a pink te Soe T shirt.

498
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I wasn't even thirteen year and and

499
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: and just doing all the rent poses but like with

500
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: like minimal effort, you know, And did you at least

501
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: do a Dina's screaming face like I've seen it? Yes,

502
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: I commit, No, I commit. It was entirely copied. They

503
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: were all very accurate. But listen, that's literally pastiche and

504
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: it's gorgeous, Like I'm saying that in a good way.

505
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: It's a tribute. It's gorgeous. I had never seen it,

506
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: and I didn't know the music. But well, I mean,

507
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: speaking of Broadway now, I think it would be a

508
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: wonderful time. I think it would be a nice time

509
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: to hear a song. So tell us, so this first

510
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: song that you're going to do for us, and this

511
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: is going to be included in the in the show

512
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: un December four. The story of at Least you know

513
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: my journey with this song is I have my best

514
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: friend Ryan Um. He contacted me or you know, we

515
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: were just talking and he was like, I've had I've

516
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: had a like a talent crush on this perform um

517
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: Katie Thompson for a very long time because I saw

518
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: her in the musical and Michael john accusin musical Giant

519
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: at the Public like five years ago, and she just

520
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: had she was like Adele with like more power and

521
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: but but but acting and like I just I just

522
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I have such a crush on her and I am.

523
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I I felt like she had this raw quality to

524
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: her voice and I sometimes feel like I struggle to

525
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: fit into a category um in terms of type and vocally,

526
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: and I I sort of watched her do this thing

527
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: where she she she's actually a composer. She's like written

528
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot of music and she just has this amazing quality.

529
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: So he was like, I found this video of Katie Thompson.

530
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: She's singing this song. It feels so like something that

531
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: comes from that would come from your heart and mouth.

532
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: And I looked it up and I just like I'm

533
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: not often I've heard I've sung for so long, so

534
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: it's not often that I'm just like, oh, I would

535
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: love to have this music in my mouth. Um. So

536
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I did it at one of Henry's shows once and yes,

537
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: and I just felt like there was an understanding of

538
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: this feeling. And that's really what I look for in songs,

539
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: is like, am I just singing? Or am I getting

540
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: at something that people are understanding on on an emotional normal.

541
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: It's by Jonathan reed Galt, who's a really talented composer

542
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: and that sort of camp of contemporary musical theater composers. Um,

543
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not a very good fan because I don't

544
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: know the context. If it's from a musical of any kind.

545
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of just a one off. I

546
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: think I think you're right. I think I think it's right.

547
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: So my sheet music says from the album thirteen Stories

548
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Tell Yeah, And I think that there's some really amazing

549
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: singers on that album just doing his songs and he

550
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: he has a really some really good stuff on there.

551
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: So a little plug for him. Yeah, it's called no

552
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: reason at all. Now let's hear it. M h m hm.

553
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: I lay here in the dark, yearning for something, a

554
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: tiny glance, a kind word, to give my life meaning.

555
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: But you would never know because I never shown how

556
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: much you've helped me to see the woman I'm longing

557
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: to be. Sometimes I just need to cry for no

558
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: reason at all. Sometimes I'm too tired to try for

559
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: no reason at all. Sometimes I just have to learn

560
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: to let go for no reason at all. I stand

561
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: in the door life passes by and feel like I'm

562
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: stuck in between the life that I want and what

563
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: I can reach. It's like I'm not heard and not seeing.

564
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: There must be a way at the end of the

565
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: day that I can help make you see the woman

566
00:33:51,040 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: I long to suffering. Sometimes I just need to pray

567
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: for no reason at all. Sometimes, on your time, you

568
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: try for no Sometimes I just talk to you. Go

569
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: for no reason. I can see the things that I

570
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: need to change in me, and that's a start or

571
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: play side rather be. But when the time comes, will

572
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I have the strange to pull myself up and see? Yeah,

573
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just it's a cry for no reason at all.

574
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes I t to try for not at all. Sometimes

575
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I just have to learn to like go for no reason,

576
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: for no reason at all. Oh my god, I'm hand

577
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: Amanda shucked. Man, you thank you for doing that. Oh

578
00:35:52,840 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: my gosh, that was unbelievable. It's it's um hard to feel.

579
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm not just yelling no no, no, no, no no no.

580
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: That was really like, I'm so excited for everyone that

581
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: just heard that, and I'm but you don't know what

582
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: it was like to be in the room. So what

583
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I would suggest is that you buy tickets to the

584
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: show because you have an opportunity to be in the room. So, um,

585
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: it's again, I'll just keep saying it. Then we're gonna

586
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: hear two more songs, which just fucking nuts. But um,

587
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: it's on December four at seven pm at the Duplex.

588
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: It's called A Man of Shaman Hates the sing So um,

589
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: get your tickets at Purple Paths. Yeah. Um, And really

590
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: you should be in the room. City. It's so easy

591
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: to stay in, especially when it's called but like, you're

592
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: in the greatest city in the world and you can

593
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: hear one of the greatest singers in the world, and

594
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: to see her, to feel her presence is what takes

595
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: it to the next level. It's really fabulous. Henry. You

596
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: were also amazing on that is and Henry also is

597
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: also accompanying at the show, so you'll see Henry as well. Um. Okay,

598
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: so I do want to get into this now. It's

599
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: called a man of Shackman hates this thing. Now. Um.

600
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: When I met you at n y U, UM, we

601
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: did a show together. It's called the Reality Show at

602
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: m y U and um we collaborated and UM, you

603
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: had just experienced something in your life which I think

604
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: sort of changed your life. UM. And that was, um,

605
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: I guess being on famous reality television singing show. Um.

606
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: So I was wondering if you could talk a little

607
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: bit about what went down with American Idol. Yes, yeah,

608
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: um wolf Okay, So, and I know that it is

609
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: a wolf, but I'm so you know, it's it's been

610
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: this thing that's sort of unnecessarily I've like, you know,

611
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: grown it into this monster in my brain and I'm

612
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: really excited to just like take the power away from

613
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: it and just let it be like the stupid thing

614
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: that I think. I think And this sounds so whatever.

615
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: I think you have really come so far from that

616
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: think that mental space too, you know. So so yeah,

617
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: I go ahead and describe it. Um, and like you know,

618
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: take the sort of things that we've talked about about

619
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: myself into account when I'm telling this, because it's all

620
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, and so um because thinking

621
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: for me was very pure, Like it was so pure

622
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: for me. Um. And that's okay. And just before we

623
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: even get into the details, that's the most that's the

624
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: shittiest part of all this is that someone who like

625
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: has a gift, a gift of all gifts, like for

626
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: that to be sullied. But yeah, in any way, yeah, well,

627
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: and and the thing is that that goes that dates back.

628
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: That approach to what I can do dates back to

629
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: before the Idol experience, because I think there was a

630
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: culture of in you know, in our society and just

631
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: the way that we treat talent that there is a

632
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: tendency to um, I want to manufacture it or or

633
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: or take it, and yes to put it frankly, yes,

634
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: to make money from it. And I think that you know,

635
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: my my friends and family did this to me throughout

636
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: my life as well, and out of a not a

637
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: bad intention at all, But this is just I think

638
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: we've been conditioned to treat talent this way. And I

639
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: do it all the time. I do it with you guys.

640
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: You know, like I'll just we'll just dish about some

641
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: singer on the internet, and it's it's no big thing,

642
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's like when the journey from singing being

643
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: like a pure facet of music into something that we

644
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: judge and and you know, manipulate and all of that

645
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: has been present in my life for for a long time.

646
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: But um so after my um my freshman year of college, um,

647
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: which of course is so easy for everyone and everyone

648
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: knows exactly just just a breeze, just a total breeze. Uh,

649
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: I was a mess. Oh my gosh, I was a mess.

650
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: I was is I just you know, I was sort

651
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: of having in this really crazy place with my identity

652
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: and I had gone on such a wild journey up

653
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: until that point of knowing that I had talent, not

654
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: really knowing if I want to do that, being boxed

655
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: in blah blah blah. And by the time that I

656
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: got applying to schools, you know, I at one point

657
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: was like looking at like liberal arts colleges in like

658
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: upstate New York where I could like major double major

659
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: in English and art. Like you know, I was like

660
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: so ready to just be like leave me a new

661
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: Yum and then I don't know it just the the

662
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: sort of uh feeling that what's what's possible, the potential

663
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: that I've been sort of um pumped up with my

664
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: whole life. It's harder when you know you can do

665
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: it right, and when people have affirmed that for the

666
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: longest time, the affirmation absolutely of just like your special,

667
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: you're amazing, you're a talent, you have a gift, and

668
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: and I believe me. I mean I I rejected that

669
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: for a while. I like I got into like drawing,

670
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it was like, you know, the

671
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: quiet things, but the quiet things. Uh. But eventually it

672
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: was just like, well, funk, I'm going to go to TISH,

673
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Like who am I kidding? So but when I applied

674
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: to TISH, I was like, but I want to go

675
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: to the Atlantic School for act you know, I like

676
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: I really wanted to like be taken seriously. So my

677
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: my major was acting. It was not musical theater. I

678
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: did not major INNY school theater UM or go to

679
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: that studio rather, and I went to UM, a wonderful

680
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: studio within the drama department. That was an amazing place,

681
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: but you know, left it was an interdisciplinary studio. So

682
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: you're directing, you're designing, you're you're being taught how to

683
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: be a whole theater artist, right, which you know. My

684
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: ego I think was it was so hard to imagine

685
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: art for art's sake at that point, Like it was

686
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: just like no, like it was hard for me to

687
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: let go of this idea that like I could really

688
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: be somebody yea, And I wanted to believe that I

689
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: was somebody that could just be a theater artist and

690
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: like be a downtown theater and through the whole thing. Um.

691
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: But I just had this moment after my freshman year

692
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: where I was like, what if I just cuss in

693
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: on this idea, you know, an audition for American Idol

694
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: and win, because of course I will, yeah, but of

695
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: course mentally you go to that place where like, I'll

696
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: do it because I think I have a shot at winning.

697
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: The whole part, well, you would fit and I'll get

698
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: into the people that you know, think I don't think

699
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: like that, and what happens to those support people? Um?

700
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: But yes, So I had had this thing happened my

701
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: whole life of like you have with the addition of

702
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: our market, So I I saw that. I don't even

703
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: know how I knew, like how it came up right,

704
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: like who knows God in Manhattan and it was like

705
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: a post on the American Eagles sign in the South

706
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: but by the way American. I was skinning peasy to

707
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: see an get that down there. Oh my gosh, I

708
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: hate so much, but so okay. So I I find

709
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: out that the nearest audition location was Boston, and yeah,

710
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: I like I traveled, uh, and I and I went

711
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: to the stadium, the sports stadium whichever where you go

712
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: where you go sing. I think it was Gillette Stadium.

713
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: But also I could making that up. Oh my gosh,

714
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you know that, you my um. So

715
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: I go there and it's like tons of people and

716
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: you wait around and it's a whole thing. And and

717
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I was going to sing the whole thing. In music

718
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: at that that year, I think it was two thousand nine,

719
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: was like that our space singer British Girls who Josh

720
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: Daniel on our last live show Artisanal Singings singer. Yes, yes,

721
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: but yeah that was and it still is. That's a

722
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: grace vander Walt anyway, right, like it's it's this thing

723
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: of like um, like I'm not really a good singer,

724
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: but isn't it cool I'm doing until I mean that,

725
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, obviously some of those women are amazing singers,

726
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: and who even knows what that means? The whole concept

727
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: of that is what I'm worried about. But anyway, the

728
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: whole thing was like a dull duffy yeah right, you know,

729
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: and Amy, we just didn't know the half of it.

730
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: But those types of singers, So that was sort of

731
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: what I was bringing to the table. I was like, oh,

732
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: I could probably do something like that. So I was

733
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna sing Melt my Heart to stone. But um, and

734
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: I was like, you would not recognize me, you know.

735
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: I was like freshman and uh, I had like blonde

736
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: long hair and a plump bang and I was just

737
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: like like flannel shirt, ripped stockings, boots. I went to

738
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: like I live in the city. Like that was what

739
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I was bringing that all to the

740
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: table and um, but that was really like what I was,

741
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't that. That's what the projection whatever

742
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: I was going through, And that's so great. Um, and

743
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: I get up to this there there are all these

744
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: tents and they have that's how many people produce this show.

745
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Is that like there are like ten of these tents

746
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: and each of them have two producers in them. And

747
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: you line up cattle call style and um, I sing

748
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: this little part of not My Heart to Stone and

749
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: they're kind of like like squirming around, like do we

750
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: like her? And they're like, yeah, okay, okay, we're gonna

751
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: have you come back, but I want you to, um

752
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: dress up, like look nicer. We're like a dress or

753
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: a skirt or something like that. Um. And they kind

754
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: of give me this costume to come in, which is

755
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: what it would have been to me because that's not

756
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: how I was naturally dressing at the time, right um.

757
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like but I'm like, oh my god, Like okay,

758
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: whatever you say, because like the dream, the dream is

759
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: on the line. Um. And they take you into this

760
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: other room where they give you a questionnaire and they

761
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: kind of want to know about you. So what's your story,

762
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: what's what are some things that make you interesting? What's fun,

763
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: what's new, what's different? Blah blah blah. And I have

764
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: this flicker of a moment where my grandmother had passed

765
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: away that year and she was a singer, not professionally

766
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: but she had a beautiful voice, and I was like,

767
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: do I talk about my grandma? And it would have

768
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: been a totally different result. I don't know if I'd

769
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: be sitting here like, I don't know what would have

770
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: happened if like that was the story I chose to tell.

771
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: But I was like, no, I'm not going to exploit her.

772
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like use her my loss of

773
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: my grandmother as some like you know storyline and this sure,

774
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: well I didn't know it's a straight at the time.

775
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I just kind of looked at it like an interview.

776
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: So I put down what makes me me write? I'm

777
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: a drama student. Um, I like to sing musical theater,

778
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: but I also think bob, I, I do impressions. I like,

779
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: can do different voices, I can talk with my mouth, clothes,

780
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: like all these things that are just kind of won't

781
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: make me unique because not everybody can do that. Okay,

782
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: So then tons of time goes by, I would say,

783
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: like most of the summer. I think, again, this is

784
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: all very the timeline is very blurry because it's not

785
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: the way it looks on TV. I'm sure so they don't.

786
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: So they called you back at a later days yeah,

787
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: oh no, Like so the way they make it seem

788
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: where it's like, here's everybody lined up side, I feel

789
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: like I'm doing an expos on. I had all that good.

790
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so there's the way they do they

791
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: portray it on the show is here's these like hundreds

792
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: of thousands of people and then Simon and Paul and

793
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: are waiting waiting. Oh my god. Um So it's like

794
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: months later that I go back for a second audition

795
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: that's not not even yet televised. So I but this

796
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: one I had like a little time to prepare for.

797
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: They gave you a list of songs that you can sing.

798
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: I like, go back and forth, you know, how who

799
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: do I want to be? How do I want to sound?

800
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: What do I want to do? And it was a

801
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: weird headspace for me to be in because I wasn't

802
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: really living my life as a vocalist. I was living

803
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: my life as an acting student. So taking all of

804
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: the things that I learned as like an experimental theater

805
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: actor and then being like, what pop song do I

806
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: want to sing? It was just the weirdest attention in

807
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: my brain. And so they gave me this list, here's

808
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: what you can sing, and I'm like, well, I should

809
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: probably stay in the same lane as this like adevil

810
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: thing that's happening right now. So that song Mercy by

811
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: Duffy was everywhere at the time. I'm like, that would

812
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: be a good one to do, I think, because I

813
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: can show off focally and it feels like it's sort

814
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: of un vogue right now. And then they say to

815
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: have a backup song just in case. So I don't

816
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: even know how I got there, And this speaks to like,

817
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: this is so symbolic of me as a person, is

818
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: that I end up going with this like Billie Holiday

819
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: song that like no one knows um, And I think

820
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: that was like the little like like indie girls and

821
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: me being like something fucking weird. So so I have

822
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: this like pop song and this like weird jazz standard

823
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: that I can like riff up a bit and make

824
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: it kind of cool again, like pure pures could be

825
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: just like the purest right, and I go with the

826
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: whole fam Sister, my mom my dad were like, we're

827
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: getting in the car, we're driving to Buston and um,

828
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: they take you to this kind of you know, I

829
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: don't even know where we were. It was a space

830
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: that had rooms yea conventions, I don't know. And the

831
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: my first big mistake was what I chose to wear.

832
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: I were um tube up which just why um? And

833
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: and a skirt a highwaisted skirt that was just way

834
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: too short and like my mom's like wouldn't protestly like heels.

835
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: It was so bizarre. Um the look that I strung

836
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: together and um again, this hair, this two thousand nine

837
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: bangs moment um, just like the most uncomfortable you go through,

838
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: like a second adolescence in college. It's so uncomfortable and um,

839
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: it's like out there all the world to see. But anyway,

840
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: so they take you to this space with these you

841
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: know there were I'm wrong. There were two producers before

842
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: the televised one. There are three auditions before you get

843
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: on camera, so just know that when you're watching the

844
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: voice like it's all the same ship. Okay. So so

845
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: they take me into this room. I sing, it's good,

846
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: they like it. Whatever I get, I'm getting, I'm getting

847
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: moved in the next round. So then the next one

848
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: is the key one because this is the one where

849
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: they funk with you. Okay. So I go into this

850
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: room and it's like these very British producers take that

851
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: have you will? Um? And and so I sing my

852
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: songs from and like, you know, great for television, great,

853
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: great for television, bubbly great personality. Um. And you know

854
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: what's great about you is that you you've done You've

855
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: done a lot of Broadway. It's singing theater um. But

856
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: you have a pop sound, which is great. Keep do

857
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: that in the room, you know, really, wow, do that.

858
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: You have a great pop sound. It's very pop. Keeps

859
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: saying that to me. It's like it's not theatery at all.

860
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. And I'm like, oh, that's awesome. I'm so

861
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: happy to hear that. Now I'm moving on. Okay, the people,

862
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: the producers will take you and be like, hey, can

863
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: you do your like Celendon impression? And can you do

864
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: you do this? And can you talk with your mouth clothes?

865
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: And they'll take you in a room interview you, um,

866
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: and they'll have you kind of like do all these

867
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: like fun things that you do with the camera on you.

868
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like this is so fun, Like they

869
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: love all this stuff that I can do. Um. The

870
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: moment where they told me that I didn't have a

871
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: theatery sound is key, So just remember that. So then um,

872
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: I go into the room. I want to mention that

873
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: before I went in, they had to shut down production

874
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: because there was a severely autistic girl who had a

875
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: breakdown when she was rejected. Um, so just know that

876
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: that's like the fabric of this and so of course

877
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: it just sort of it's the fabric of the show.

878
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: And it also like put you affected you in whatever way. Yeah,

879
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is this? Is this a

880
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: scary thing? Should I be scared of what's about to happen?

881
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Because here I am thinking everyone's loves me so far.

882
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: I got pipes, so I know I can do this.

883
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: I've been told my whole life, like here I go solo. Yeah, no,

884
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 1: it's important. Um, and it haunts me. I think about

885
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: that because I just think, Wow, that was like the

886
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain. So I I go in and

887
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: it's them. And this was when they had the guests.

888
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: They started doing the guest judge. So mine was Victoria

889
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: Beckham right right, vocalist Victoria Beckham, um, and then the

890
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: other three assholes um. And then okay, so I go

891
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: in and I sing mercy and they're just like you're

892
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: so dramatic, and I was like, no, that's the opposite

893
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: of what the producer said. But I can't say that

894
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: because no one's supposed to know about one to three

895
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: rounds of producers before this one. And then I just

896
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: go to like, I'm like what, like I feel so

897
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: mentally and you're and I've been sitting around for hours

898
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: all day and this is like you're you're drained, so

899
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't eaten and whatever. At the moment,

900
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: I put my hand through my hair, so I was like, God,

901
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: and he starts mocking me. When I walked into the room,

902
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: I forgot this. They asked me, like it says here.

903
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: I thought they would be like, so you do impressions,

904
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: and I would do some impressions on camera for them there.

905
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: But instead I had said something in my right and

906
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: my interview or my um little sheet of paper about

907
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: how I I this was again I'm in a weird

908
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: place after my freshman year. But I said something about

909
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: how I like I like to change a lot, like

910
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: I changed my hair and like I I like to

911
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: like you know, um, I do different voices because like

912
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: I love change, like I don't know. It was like

913
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: something I threw out there made at the focal point.

914
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: So he's like says, too, you like to change a lot,

915
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I just you know, right,

916
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and I try to kind of explain this really kind

917
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: of macro concept, like and I know Victoria Simon in Victoria,

918
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: and as soon as it's coming out of my mouth,

919
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like it's over right now, because like I

920
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: just saw him being like he just cut me off

921
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: and was like, okay, I don't know what you're saying.

922
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, anyway, So I sing this song

923
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: and they're like that was horrible that it's so theory.

924
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: You sound like Judy Garland. There's so much vibrato, like

925
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: what is this? And he's making fun of me. He's

926
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,479
Speaker 1: doing this, he's doing this, and I get upset because

927
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm game being bullied and being sort of like me

928
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: told that I'm not a good singer, which was like,

929
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's some new information. Um So then I'm

930
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: like please, like I've been ye all day. I don't

931
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: say that, but like that's the emotion is that I've got.

932
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: It's been all summer, you know. So I'm like, let

933
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: me sing another song. So they agreed to let me

934
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: sing another song. So I sing this weird Billie Holliday

935
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: song and they're like again, no to theater eight. And

936
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: then they're like, let's put it to a vote. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

937
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: m They wanted you to get upset, and you know,

938
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy when they said yes, yes, yes, yes.

939
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I was just fucking confused. So then I'm like tired

940
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: and crying and come out with the Golden ticket and

941
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm like questioning my whole life and they have me

942
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: like redo my reaction, and I'm and now I'm very

943
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: aware of like because I'm like, this is there not,

944
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: this is not feeling good. But you know, I committed.

945
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: I said I'm going to Hollywood, so I did. I

946
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: did am academic semester where I took only music classes.

947
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: I took you know, piano lessons. I was like voice lessons.

948
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna

949
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: show I'm going to do this thing right. You literally

950
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: change your educational path. Yes, absolutely, between that audition in

951
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood so much, I would say the entire false semester.

952
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, December you went, yes and my and my

953
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: audition with them, happened over the summer, right, So now

954
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: December you go to Hollywood. Yes, and also know that

955
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: in between that time that that interim, I signed an

956
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: insane contract. Okay, describe Can you describe the contract? I

957
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: don't know, all right, so let's not it's been put

958
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: out there. It definitely has, so we know we can say,

959
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: I'll say for you, we can say the contract basically

960
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: allows them to uh portray you in ways that you

961
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: might not agree with or or be privy to. But

962
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: they're giving you this opportunity, and so you sign a

963
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: con track that says you can't do anything about the

964
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: way we show you. Right, Okay, so you go to Hollywood.

965
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: So I go to Hollywood, and um, I do that

966
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: first round in Hollywood, and it's my one good audition.

967
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: They can never show it. What did they say there?

968
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, and I know that I sound insane

969
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: when I say this, But Randy Jackson said, I sound

970
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: like Beyonce, and I will always remember that. So great.

971
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: That's so to say to a young white woman. But

972
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: but who literally if you sound wonderful but not like

973
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: Randy Jackson? You know music producer, who knows? But this

974
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: is the thing about this show is that it all

975
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: felt like like it was more theatrical than anything I

976
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: was doing at school. It was like nobody is saying

977
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: what it was so choreographed, and who are the judges?

978
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: Now it's Randy, and then it was yes, it was

979
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: those three. But then they also had Ellen. Okay, so

980
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: like so well that one goes extremely well, they don't

981
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: show it. I'm like, oh my god, I'm moving on.

982
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: Then it's the Group Round, Famous Group Round, just as

983
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: as exhausting and horrifying as they make it ease, because

984
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: you stay up all night because you're you literally have

985
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: to be there like the next morning, and they give

986
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: you the songs like the night before, so they set

987
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: you up for a failure. And the other thing that

988
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: they did was they were like, um, we had choices

989
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: of songs to sing. Three of them were normal like

990
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: easy songs, or two of them whatever, how many there were, um,

991
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: and one of them was the Sweet Escape by Gwen,

992
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: And of course everyone's like mothering that one. I would

993
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: like them and like in retrospect of course, which the

994
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: plot of that episode was, no one can get these

995
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: lyrics like, you know, because aren't words. There's no words

996
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: I can do it for you perfectly, and I will.

997
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: But so, so okay. The first mess up thing is

998
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: that they're like chooser groups, and it's like, okay, because

999
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: this is huge. Who you end up with is like

1000
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: all a part of how this goes right. So I

1001
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: look around I don't I don't know. I don't know.

1002
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to many people. I don't know what's

1003
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: going on. And I see this guy. He's like from

1004
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: Long Island. We met because we're from the same place,

1005
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: and I was like him, okay. So I go to

1006
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: him and he's with two other guys. So suddenly I'm like, okay,

1007
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: I can work with this. It's like three big dudes

1008
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: in me. Like that's like a fun thing. It's kind

1009
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: of like show and uh no. Um. So then they

1010
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: have this moment where they set us all down, the

1011
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: producers and they're like, who's who's doing this song? And

1012
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: everyone's like, me, who's doing this song? Who's doing the

1013
01:00:54,040 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: sweet Escape cricket? And then and I think everyone's just

1014
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: dumber because people are so vulnerable that it's entired and

1015
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: they're just like whatever you say. So they're like, really,

1016
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: no one's doing the Sweet Escape? The judges are gonna

1017
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: want to hear that one or like they say something

1018
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: along those lines that feels like maybe we should do

1019
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: it right. So we're like, oh, let's do the subverse, like,

1020
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: let's do the thing that no one's expecting and do

1021
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: the sweet Escape. That's so fun. So we did the

1022
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: Sweet Escape. We're like, I'm like choreographing with three grown

1023
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: men dance at I mean, I went without my family

1024
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm doing this and I had

1025
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: no support. I mean, so all the confidence goes out

1026
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: the window. You know. Of course we get up there

1027
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: and we're like, no one remembers my whole group gets eliminated.

1028
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: While I'm in l A, I put on the TV

1029
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: one night, or rather, I got some texts that said

1030
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff like you're on Oh my god, Amanda,

1031
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: this is so exciting blah blah bah because sorry, go flashback.

1032
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: I I when they showed the Boston auditions, they didn't

1033
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: show me. So when I went to Hollywood, I thought

1034
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: I got out scotfree. I was like, oh my god,

1035
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: They're not going to show my audition, Like this is amazing.

1036
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: I have a fresh start. But they did the Best

1037
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: of Show and you were on that, and I was

1038
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: on that, and I was blindsided, and if you were,

1039
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: what was happening, oh right after you got eliminated? It

1040
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: was I think it was before, but I might as

1041
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: well have been eliminated because when I saw the audition,

1042
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: you knew it wasn't like a Winners audition. Yeah, I

1043
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: that audition. So how did they was a trauma that

1044
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm still dealing with. How did they make you look

1045
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: really unwell well or just too much? Like just a mess?

1046
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, as someone who's you who've seen it, I

1047
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: will say they edited you into a dramatic theater kids,

1048
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: like I understand it was. It was just clips of Amanda,

1049
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: like doing the impressions and talking with the mouth closed

1050
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: and like saying that she acts and then these things

1051
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: that Amanda would not necessarily offer up front to someone

1052
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: she's just getting to know. But the the edit was

1053
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: by the way I can do impressions, I can s

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01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: it was like, what is going on? And then also

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: the really telling thing is they show your audition and

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: they don't show you singing mercy. So this is the

1057
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: other thing is that they in the editing, they show

1058
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: me starting with good morning heartache which did not happen.

1059
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: Did not happen. It started with mercy, so they didn't

1060
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: show mercy. They just I was had already been told

1061
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: you're not getting through and I was emoting when they

1062
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: start my audition, which was brilliant editing, but you know,

1063
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: it just it was I had its teacher or she

1064
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: was sort of a head of a department in college

1065
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: who when I went back to school and was just

1066
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: a shell of a human. Um, I had to take

1067
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: a whole semester off, which because I did that, I

1068
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: took the leave of absence because I thought, well, what

1069
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: if I make it? Then I was just living at

1070
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: home while all my friends were like at school and

1071
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: doing all the things. And I went through a lot

1072
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: with that, you know, taught myself to play an instrument

1073
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: like you, because I needed to get a sense of grounding.

1074
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: After being portrayed, I was like, oh, I'm a nightmare,

1075
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: and um, all the things I feared about myself are true, which,

1076
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: of course you know now I know that's not true mirrors.

1077
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: But I was nineteen years old the season nine, and

1078
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: that's that sounds like a leader. She It was the

1079
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: season that lead Dewise forgotten and who really cares. But

1080
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: at the time, it's like you look at the ratings

1081
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, million people watching it, So then

1082
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: you're like, it's public shaming. But I had this advisor

1083
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: or this person tell me, Um, I think one of

1084
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: the biggest m challenges for you getting through this is

1085
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: accepting that that person is a part of you. And

1086
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: it was so hard to hear. But in a way,

1087
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: it's like I think she sort of had this foresight

1088
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: of me in the future reclaiming this and being like

1089
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: able to laugh at it and think that it's ridiculous

1090
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: because I remember when we first met. I always like,

1091
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: when you shared this with me, Um, I was like,

1092
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, well you just gotta laugh at it. And

1093
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people have that reaction, but that is

1094
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: like it's simplistic. It's not easy to get there. No, no, no, no,

1095
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: because you know there's also these things in your mind

1096
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: which are like I take myself seriously and I look

1097
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: like a joke. The biggest show in the world made

1098
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: like a joke, which is why comedy was such a

1099
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: saving grace for me, because it was like, oh no,

1100
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm in on it. You know. It was like I

1101
01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: could drive the car instead of being this person who

1102
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: was vulnerable and pure and out there in earnest and

1103
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: people were like ha ha ha, you know, and and

1104
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: so it feels like protective and good to be like

1105
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: I see and I make fun of myself and it's

1106
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: it's all a part of man. I can quit with

1107
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: the best of them. Yes, And I want to I

1108
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: want to ask, because we talk about the voice, let's

1109
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: talk about the voice. Do you do you when you

1110
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: watch the shows now you like American Eiles coming back?

1111
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean they definitely changed their identity because you know,

1112
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: from William hung to now. So this was but that

1113
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: was the other thing I was going to say is

1114
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: that the reason that those people will William Unk should

1115
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: have never happened. And the really really and the reason

1116
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: that those things happen and those people get on the

1117
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: show and like what you say to yourself, like okay,

1118
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: but like they're asking for it. Why they clearly have

1119
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: the talented No, because you take a person that is

1120
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: down on their luck looking for a ticket anything anything right,

1121
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: or you take a person that is not well or

1122
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: or you know, any what happened is not even in

1123
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: William when William Hunk's case not even assimilated to the culture.

1124
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: Somebody who's on the outskirts of of of mainstream culture

1125
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. That you take that person in the producer

1126
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: room and you say you're terrific, you have an amazing

1127
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: voice with and you mean it. It's cruel, and then

1128
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: you flip it on them, and then there it's being televised.

1129
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: It's very it's very cruel. It is a cult. It

1130
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: perpetuates a culture of bullying. And I'm glad that the

1131
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: show was canceled. I cannot believe it's coming back. I know,

1132
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can. I feel like, I mean,

1133
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: I hope that they've cleaned up their image and that

1134
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be a different thing, because I think

1135
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: just as a culture, we've moved into this place. I

1136
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: cannot Obviously there's people that don't feel this way, but

1137
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: in pop culture at least, I feel like there's a

1138
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: shift towards self care and being kind and that they're

1139
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: positive right Voice. I mean, you know, The Voice is

1140
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: still a real pity show, but they don't humiliate people.

1141
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: They don't humiliate people, and even the people who don't

1142
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: move forward, they leave with dignity. Yes, every people seriously,

1143
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: they're all vocalists, which is why the show is better

1144
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: is because you're watching people with talent compete and not

1145
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: people who are looking to be on TV exactly as

1146
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: a first and foremost priority. There are so many people

1147
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: who are on Idol who I think just wanted to

1148
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: get in front of a camera, and that doesn't happen

1149
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: on the Voice. The Voice has a vetting process, they

1150
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: have a casting process, they have a casting direct, they

1151
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 1: have somebody that reaches out to already established artists and says,

1152
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: do you want a competition for the Voy or not

1153
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: necessarily artists who are getting a lot of attention but

1154
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: are out there. You know, they'll reach out to those people.

1155
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: So I feel warmer feelings for The Voice because I

1156
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: feel like that show is trying to help these artists.

1157
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: It's about mentorship and it's it's about what it says,

1158
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: which is the Voice Idol's mission. First of all, Idol

1159
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: started in England, and yeah, there is an approach to reality.

1160
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: There's there's that that was I think co opted and

1161
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: done here and not not well not well yeah I

1162
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: would you no, no, no, I I think that yeah,

1163
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: would you ever ever audition for the Voice yeah. Every

1164
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: time I watch I have that same thing that happens

1165
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: after my freshman year where I was like, I can

1166
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: do it, I could do it, like I know I could.

1167
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: I placed of course, And then they'll have like a

1168
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: like not a confessional but a talking head moment or

1169
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: like that, a moment where there and I'll see the

1170
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: working inner workings of it the reality show, and it

1171
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: just turns me off. And I just have the past

1172
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: trauma of like going putting myself out. And I know

1173
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: they wouldn't make me look bad or stupid, but but

1174
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: that the element of like I'm performing self yeah no, no, no,

1175
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: really freaks me out also. And this I don't take

1176
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: this to be simplistic in that same way of like

1177
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: you gotta laugh at it, but um, I think just

1178
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: with you being able to sort of see that in

1179
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: the moment, I think that's a sign that you've taken

1180
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: the trauma and like you're wearing it as an armor

1181
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: now because it's like, oh no, I'm not going to

1182
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: put myself in that dangerous position again because I know

1183
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: what that is. And like and people always there's a

1184
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: tendency to like let the wounds be there, like but

1185
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: like the shield of being able to like poke at

1186
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: it and laugh at myself has been so much more

1187
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: healing for me then, And and like there's there's therapy

1188
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,480
Speaker 1: to be had, and like I will I am processing

1189
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: this and it's it's all there, but like I like

1190
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: taking the power away from it. Yeah, And and and

1191
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people we'll see this tape of this

1192
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: audition tape and be like like, but it's always going

1193
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: to be a bigger deal to you, right, And so

1194
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: sometimes I have this self conscious moment of like, oh God,

1195
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: am I like Swan songing about this thing that's like

1196
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: actually not that big a deal. No, But I think

1197
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: it's important to share it because I think it reveals

1198
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: something about something that we all butt into. We still are,

1199
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: and we still are. You gotta imagine they sign a

1200
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: similar contract with the Voice, they don't go through with

1201
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: it the way that they did. Or I'll have moments

1202
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: watching the Voice where I'm like, how organic are these

1203
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: times where the judges, Yeah, like that's always whenever I'm

1204
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: laughing at Adam and Blake whatever, Henry always is like

1205
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 1: jokes and he's like always like wow, they're so funny.

1206
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: And I was just like I I catch myself making fun.

1207
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: Let's hear another song. Let's let's talk about this next

1208
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: song You're going to do by famous contemporary singer adele Um.

1209
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: This song, I feel like this song had such a

1210
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: moment and I really love her. I just think there's

1211
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: something really special about her as an artist. For me,

1212
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: it was that moment at the Grammys. Was that the

1213
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: Grammys when she did the tribute two I'm gonna look

1214
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: so bad now whatever, it doesn't matter, but it was

1215
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: She's got so many George Michael, Yes, yes, and she

1216
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: said she when she stopped it and said, I have

1217
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: to write for him. That was the most compelling thing

1218
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: I've ever seen a singer do. Because there's or or

1219
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: or uh a pop star do right the facade because

1220
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: that also and she's also like raising a huge middle

1221
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: thing or like the TV producers And I'm just like

1222
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: this again because and like to to quote sort of

1223
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: Henry's mantra, like none of it's real, nothing, nothing's real,

1224
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: nothing is to be like and and and the charade

1225
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: of celebrity and just the whole thing, especially with with

1226
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: these with these singers, these vocalists, I mean like five

1227
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: ft two, like I I was so it's moved by that.

1228
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: And like, and I just watched Elaine Stretches documentary or

1229
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: the documentary about Elane Stretch, and I'm I'm really fascinated

1230
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: with this right now, this like this thing of singer

1231
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: in the spotlight. It's just it's really interesting. So anyway,

1232
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 1: I have to send you this New York Times article

1233
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: about Miles and Whitney. Please all that stuff, amy, like

1234
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: all the Michigan I'm so, I'm so interested in that,

1235
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: you'd just word for insanity. Um yeah, so I love

1236
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: I love Azo. This song was like a huge moment

1237
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: I think on her album and I did a little

1238
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: cover of it at one point, and uh, this is

1239
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: just like kind of fun. So now, um I had

1240
01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: an ex shoot and record that and that's it was

1241
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: this like my friends calling me, who knew that. We

1242
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: were like, how dare you be so meta? Because the

1243
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: song is all about that relationship. All right, let's let's

1244
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: hear it when we were young. M m. Everybody loves

1245
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: the things you do, from the way you talk to

1246
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: the way everybody here is watching you because you feel

1247
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: like home. You're like a dream come true. But if

1248
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: by chance you're here long, can I have a moment

1249
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: before I go, because I've been from myself all night long,

1250
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: hoping you're someone. How you soon know? You look like

1251
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: a movie. You sound like a song. Oh my god,

1252
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: this reminds me. But when we were you let me

1253
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: phone wouldn't grab you in this light in case it

1254
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: is the last time that we might be exactly alike

1255
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,879
Speaker 1: we were before we realized we were sad of getting

1256
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: old and made us dress less. It was just like

1257
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: a movie. It was just like a song. I was

1258
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: so scared to face my feet. Nobody told me that

1259
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: you would be and I swore you moved overseas. That's

1260
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: what you say when you left me. It still looks

1261
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: like a movie. You still sound like a song. My

1262
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: godess reminds me where we were. You let me phontograph

1263
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: you in this light in case it is the last

1264
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:52,959
Speaker 1: time that we might be exactly like we were before

1265
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 1: we realized we were sad of getting old to made

1266
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: us rass lace. It was just like a movie. It

1267
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: was just like a song. And we were young when

1268
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: we were on, when we were u, when we were

1269
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: tired to win me back. Everything just takes me back

1270
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: to when you were there, to when you were there,

1271
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: and the part of me keeps holding on just in

1272
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: case it hasn't gone. I guess I still care? Do

1273
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: you still care? It was just like a movie. It

1274
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: was just like a song. God, this reminds me but

1275
01:17:54,360 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: where we were on O case it is the last

1276
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: time that we might be exactly like we were before

1277
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: we realized we were sad again. Lord and made us restless,

1278
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: Get made me read less. It was just like a movie.

1279
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: It was just like a soul when we are you. Wow,

1280
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I just held my breath for that

1281
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: entire time. It's just such a good song. It's such

1282
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: a good performance of the song. Thank you, Henry oh Man.

1283
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: So here's what I think we should do. I think

1284
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: we should do. I don't think so, honey. I think

1285
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: we're all going to do it. I don't think so honey.

1286
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: And then I think we'll do one more song to

1287
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 1: close it out. Yes, that sounds good. That sounds great.

1288
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: That sounds great to me. Um, this is so good. Okay,

1289
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: So I don't think so, honey. Um. By the way,

1290
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming out to all

1291
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: of our shows that we've had fun. Yeah, Cult Wars

1292
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: a big success and then you guys so much for that.

1293
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: And I don't think so honey. At the Bellhouse, that

1294
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: was like a dream come true for my best friend

1295
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: Bowen and I and um, those episodes are going to

1296
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: be out in a couple of weeks. Um, and here

1297
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 1: we go, so boone Yang. Do you want to do

1298
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: your own things? Do you know if you have something?

1299
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: I have something I haven't. I have the seed of

1300
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: the kernel of something. Yeah, he's got the kernel bit alright,

1301
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: So um, this is Bowe yangs. I don't think so, honey.

1302
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so honey.

1303
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: People who don't fucking like talking about the weather, or

1304
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: they think that that's that it's like shitty small talk,

1305
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: you guys. The weather is the thing that binds us

1306
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: all together. It's the great equalizer. It's something that we

1307
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: all share in common. It's a shared experience the world over,

1308
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: the community over. At least I want to talk about

1309
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: how it's rainy outside, or how there's a do in

1310
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: the air this morning. Isn't there in the elevator? Look,

1311
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: don't crucify me for wanting to talk to meteorology. I

1312
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. You know what I just want

1313
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: to make small talk with you because it's an entry

1314
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: point and then I can get to know more about

1315
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: your fucking small business. You fucking ding dong, fuck you.

1316
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so, hony. People who don't like talking

1317
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: about the weathers, you gotta keep going. It's the great equalizer,

1318
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: as I said, and it bears repeating, bitch, so listen,

1319
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: talk to me about how it's warm in Portland this

1320
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: time of year, and um, you know, actually, um, you

1321
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: know the Poconos aren't as cold as you would think

1322
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: in December. That yeah, that was beautiful. And you know what,

1323
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't think so, honey. It can just be seconds.

1324
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: But no, it's can't. And I mean, but we're in

1325
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 1: such a again. I'll say it dropped in place because

1326
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: I love the vibe in this episode, because this vibe

1327
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: is very laid back, and we're all feeling very comfortable,

1328
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: and we've just been truly sung beautiful music should be.

1329
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: Ja is sitting here enjoying as well, and we are

1330
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: very gig all right, So now I'll do mine. This

1331
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey, And

1332
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: his time starts now. I don't think so honey ed Shearon, Sharon,

1333
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: you want to know what you are? The third most

1334
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: suffable Ed Ed Harris is number one. Mr Ed the

1335
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: Talking Horses number two, and then there's you, bitch. You

1336
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,839
Speaker 1: want to believe in the Illuminati? Look at Ed Sharon

1337
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: and understand that that man is famous. Okay, some dark

1338
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: magic is going into that. Yes, can he plung a

1339
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: plung plung on the guitar and do something? Okay, yeah,

1340
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you know what, It certainly doesn't excuse

1341
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,959
Speaker 1: him rapping. Yes, I said, rapping on the New Tailorship's

1342
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: album reputation. And no, it is not acceptable for Taylor herself.

1343
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: But you know what, she can She can kind of

1344
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: do it. Ed Shearon cannot do it? And I said

1345
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: to Taylor, well, I never said this to her, but

1346
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: I would say this. T say, listen, it's one thing

1347
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: if you want to appropriate the house down, but don't

1348
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: drag your friend into it. Because now I know what

1349
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: she's doing. I tell herself, she wants to make sure

1350
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: she is using him as a shield. I don't think so,

1351
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: honey ed Sheeron. I'm not going to make a hobbit joke,

1352
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: but I guess I just Did'm so mad about plung

1353
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: a pung pung. Honestly, the fact that he is number one.

1354
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: He's starting to talk about having sex and his songs

1355
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: and I don't want to fucking picture that. Do you

1356
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: know how many streams? Do you know how many streams

1357
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: Shape of You has on Spotify? Like a hundred billion,

1358
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: one point five billion? No, which is crazy. Damn, there

1359
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: is something happening. I've had some magic. You're right, you're right,

1360
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: and magic. He appropriated all his albums are like plus

1361
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: minus divide whatever. He appropriated math from my fucking people.

1362
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: So he appropriated that to fuck at Sharon. We're not

1363
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,799
Speaker 1: into it, all right. So now is Henry's time? Henry? Okay,

1364
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: Henry has he he wanted to do it. I don't

1365
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: think so, honey. He's going to get this moment to

1366
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: shine right now. Henry, of course did one of the

1367
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: great I don't think so, honey. Is at the first

1368
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't think which was I don't think so any

1369
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:05,440
Speaker 1: dancing and now we're gonna have I don't think so, honey,

1370
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Katrina Rogers,

1371
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: mother of Matt Rogers, oh my god, you are a

1372
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: loving sweet, generous woman, and we're probably a great mother,

1373
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: But you did not teach your son how to recycle.

1374
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: He does not know the difference between paper and plastic

1375
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: and metal and ten. Maybe he doesn't know to read

1376
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: how to read, and that's fine, that's nothing to be

1377
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,879
Speaker 1: ashamed of. But I think he does know how to read, okay.

1378
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: And I even labeled three different bins paper and cardboard

1379
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: and then plastic, aluminum and etcetera, and then trash are

1380
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: super when we moved into our apartment, said it's very

1381
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 1: important that you separate these things. He looked us both

1382
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: in the eyes and asked that. And I've done a

1383
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: lot to make sure that happens, including label everything. Also, Matt,

1384
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: take the trash out every once in a while, like

1385
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: maybe at least once a month. Please? Um oh sorry,

1386
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: this is about Katrina. You were so love and beautiful

1387
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: and wonderful and funny, and you gave so much that

1388
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: to your son. But teach them how to recycle? Oh

1389
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: my god, And that's whys have to deal with me

1390
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: for a much longer. Oh So, I'm sorry, but where

1391
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: to start off? I'm go trash, recycle, recycling. You don't

1392
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: take out the trash I do. Sometimes that's my worst pipe.

1393
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 1: One of my worst pet peeves is when my roommates

1394
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: take out the trash. I have to do everything I do.

1395
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel really ambushed by the like Matt Henry,

1396
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: honestly of this episode, do you think it's you don't

1397
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: think it's beautiful, you don't think you don't think it's wonderful.

1398
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: It's it's so beautiful. It is beautiful. It's a night,

1399
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,879
Speaker 1: it's a it's an exemplary, you know, sort of dynamic.

1400
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: This is the moment for Amanda Scheckmans. I don't think so, honey.

1401
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: This is the moment, not knowing I had to do

1402
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: on these until imagine this is Amanda's I don't think

1403
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: so honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey.

1404
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: People that think it's funny or interesting to talk about

1405
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: how short I am talked about before I am. I okay,

1406
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: like I was born, b I went to the doctor.

1407
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 1: I know my goddamn high. When I reached five ft zero,

1408
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: that was a big goddamn moment for me. Okay, that

1409
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: was huge. I was four eleven For so long I

1410
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: thought I'm never going to reach five. Now you're gonna

1411
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: take my five ft zero and take that away from

1412
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: me and talk about who. When guys do this, I

1413
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: want to fucking kill them. Use my head as an

1414
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: arm rest one more time. I fucking dare you. I

1415
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: fucking There's so many more interesting things to talk about.

1416
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I am a really complex person. There's a lot that

1417
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 1: you can learn about me. But when people feel uncomfortable,

1418
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: they go to the most simplistic thing, which is you know, actually,

1419
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: for the most part, you can't really comment on a

1420
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: person's appearance. But for some reason, it's very fucking game.

1421
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the tall people too,

1422
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: because the people that talk about how tall you are,

1423
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: that's sucking dumb. Also, don't talk about how tall someone

1424
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: is or how short someone is because you're somewhere in

1425
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: the middle. For you. Don't talk about my hype bitch.

1426
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: That was great and that was culture, and that was

1427
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: culture and uncovered something new big time. That it's it's

1428
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: fair game. Height is game. When you talk about from

1429
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: now on talking about someone's height and objectifying it, it

1430
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: is canceled. We cancel it. In fact, it's rule number

1431
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: ninety one of culture. Talking about someone's height and objectifying

1432
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: them is canceled. Oh my god, now I want to leave.

1433
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: I want to leave. On a fun note, We've had

1434
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,839
Speaker 1: to kind of like like kind of like um emotional ballads.

1435
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm having this problem with my show. We

1436
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 1: are going to sing Dangerous Woman by Ariana Grande, and

1437
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: so we're going to go out with this. So um.

1438
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: My name is Matt Roger and we've had on our

1439
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: show and accompanying Amanda is Henry Koperski, and we've had

1440
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: the amazing Amanda Shaksman. Yes, and we're at the Duplex

1441
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: on December four, seven pm. Amanda Shakman hates this thing.

1442
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: Get your tickets are You're gonna be missing out? So

1443
01:26:51,120 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: here we got Dangerous Woman by Amanda Shakman. It's on

1444
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: your permission. Made my decision to testimony mad because it's

1445
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: my business. God has my witness started with a fine?

1446
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 1: Don't need no hold up taking control of this kinds

1447
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: of moment. I'm locked and noted, completely focused. My mind

1448
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: is open. Oh that you got skin to skin? O

1449
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: my god, don't your supper something bag you makes me

1450
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: feel like a dangerous woman? Something about something about something

1451
01:27:55,400 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: bag you makes me wonder do think that I should

1452
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: something bout something back nothing to proven. I'm bullet proofing,

1453
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. And then the way we're moving,

1454
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: like introducing assonerthing. I want to save her, save it

1455
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: for later, that taste of flavor because I'm a taker,

1456
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: because I'm a giver. It's only nature and live for

1457
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: dant Oh that you got skin to skin? Oh my god,

1458
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: don't your sapp but something back and makes me feel

1459
01:28:50,479 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: like a dangerous we're made. Something that you makes me

1460
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: one do things that I should take something about something

1461
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: that something doer ocus want to be like that backers

1462
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: underneath the light that You'll know how I'm feeling inside

1463
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: something about August wanna be hig that bad girls some

1464
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 1: should be drug. You know how I'm feeling inside. Something

1465
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: bagging makes can't something bagging makes me one do things

1466
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Speaker 1: that I should. August wanna be like that. They don't

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