1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. This week we had our 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: most recent installment of our Unearthed episode. We sure did 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of things to talk about, some new categories, 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: including walls. Yes, when I realized there were multiple walls, 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: I was like, so many walls. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: I don't think this has happened before. 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, bokuda wall. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 2: So we've said before that. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: The way that I do this is I keep up 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: with the news for the entire year, and when it's 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: time to work on Unearthed, I will go back and 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I will look back again at all of the things 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: that I have bookmarks to talk about. And the very 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: first thing, the absolute first article that I opened, immediately 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: irritated me because it described a coin horde. And if 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: you're a longtime listener, you know there's always a ton 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: of coin hord over coin hords. Yeah, often they just 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: don't feel like they are very distinct from one another. 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: But this one was described as being in a piggy bank, 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: and I was excited because I thought we were gonna 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: get a historical vessel. If not shaped like a pig, 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: shaped like some entity, like shaped like an animal or something, 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: a figurative piece of art that also held money. 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: No, it was a jar. It was a jar. 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: It was the same as putting your loose change into 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: a mason jar, but you know, made of pottery. And 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm got off on the wrong foot. 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: I was excited about a piggy bank and it's a jar. Oh. 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: I was tickled by so many things in this this 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: installment of on Earth. One was the Stilt Village. And 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: here's why. Yeah, I spent a big chunk of my 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: childhood growing up on the Gulf Coast where there are 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: a lot of stilt houses. Yeah, and so I was like, well, 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: of course they were perfectly delightful, Like, yeah, stilt houses rock. 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: If you don't know, there are houses on stilts along 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: the Gulf coast because of storm surge and hurricanes. And 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: it's like, you don't flood if you are ten feet 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: off the ground, right, or you're less likely to flood, 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: is what I should say. Yeah, the beaches that we 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: went to when I was a kid, there were like 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: two really two beaches in North Carolina or northern South 45 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Carolina that We spent a little bit of time at 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: in the summer as a vacation when I was a kid, 47 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of the houses would be on stilts 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: for the same reason, especially the ones that were on 49 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: Rightsville Beach, which is an island, and you know, hurricane 50 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: on an island can easily just inundate the entire house. Yes, 51 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: but I hadn't really made that thought at all. I 52 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: had more thought, you know, twenty eight hundred years ago, approximately, 53 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: living over a river, you know, in a time that 54 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: it just seems like life might be harder in ways 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: than it is for a lot of people today, living 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: in a you know, industrialized society where we have our 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: own problems, but they're not necessarily the same as what 58 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: I imagine the slate and I was like, no, this 59 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: does actually sound really nice. To have a nice well 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: insulated and also well ventilated, nice clothes to wear. Everything 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: seems comfortable. Charming, Yeah, seems very charming. I don't have 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: anything about this other than you could probably hear the 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: hell yeah going on in my soul reading about the 64 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: mummies with golden tongues. 65 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. 66 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if that isn't the start of a great movie, 67 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what is Yeah, oh, maybe that's a 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: good Halloween costume, Mummy with a golden tongue. I don't know. 69 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just cool. 70 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I might cry while I talk 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: about this, and you'll laugh because it's not something worth 72 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: crying over necessarily, but I was very moved by it. 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: In our Amelia Earhart talk, Yeah, she came up recently 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: on something and I got real weepy, and you were like, 75 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: what is this about? And I was like, I can't 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: even explain it. There is a Bob's Burgers episode from 77 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: this current season that is about one of the kids 78 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: doing a project on Amelia Earhart and she ends up 79 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: doing this shadow puppet project and her version of what 80 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: happens to Amelia Earhart is so beautiful and moving. 81 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: I do get choked up. You're choked up now, one 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: hundred percent. 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: It's so good. Lauren Bouchard knows what he's doing head 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: in nut show. But if you have never ever seen it, 85 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: you would know that Amelia Earhart is not in the 86 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: ocean because she flew away forever into the sky. And 87 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful that I love it, And that's what 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: it makes you think of yeah, I was glad to 89 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: be able to talk about a potential find related to 90 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: her that was like from a different organization. I feel 91 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: like we might get angry emails from people. But for 92 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: a while, it seems like there was an Earhart headline 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: about every year, and often it seems like they were 94 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: re looking at the same couple of small items that 95 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: had been found on an island, and I was glad 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to have a find bys I think, as far as 97 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I know, totally unrelated group which I was appreciative of. 98 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: One of my other notes is about John Shakespeare. Okay, 99 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: just because every time I have ever encountered John Shakespeare, 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: uh huh, from the time, like you know, high school, college, 101 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: et cetera, that has always sounded like the most made 102 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: up fake I d name, ever, what's your name? John Shakespeare? 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: For it to be John and Joan also cracks me 104 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: up a little bit John Shakespeare. As we were talking 105 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: about that, of course, I also thought about the thing 106 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: we talked about. I think last time of the floor 107 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: that Shakespeare might have walked on maybe and this is 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: not this is definitively belonged to one of Shakespeare's relatives. 109 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: We're just not sure which one the probably sister not father. Yeah, 110 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: so yeah, my other two things. Listen, the Pokemon van 111 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Go thing cracks me up. It cracks me up too, Honestly. 112 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: I don't, of course, know the details of the personnel 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: decisions that were made. 114 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: Right, I feel like. 115 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Stealing items from your workplace probably grounds for termination. 116 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 117 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: Helping people on a scavenger hunt, yeah. 118 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: I yeah. 119 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: I sort of feel like if somebody had worked for 120 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: me for twenty five years and had been a good 121 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: employee during that time, and then during a scavenger hunt 122 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: they were sort of telling people what the answer was, 123 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: I personally would think that might be something that you know, 124 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: needs some kind of I don't. I don't like the 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: word discipline really, even as like, like we're doing union 126 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: bargaining right the iHeart podcast You Need to the word 127 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: discipline comes up a lot, like it's a word that 128 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: has a meaning in labor and work context, but like 129 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: it still feels like a kind of gross word to 130 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: me sometimes. So I like, I might feel like there 131 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: might need to be some kind of like at least 132 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: reiteration of the rules. And so this person losing their job, 133 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, is there more to this story? That's what 134 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: I keep wondering, because my first thought was, like, I mean, 135 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: who among us has not done like a scavenger hunt 136 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: or some kind of like event like this where some 137 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: of the people running it are helpful and others are not, 138 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: And like, is is this It's actually a fall down 139 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: on the part of communications to say, under no circumstances 140 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: are you to tell people where things are or hint 141 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: at them? For all I know, this could be a 142 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: docent who's like, I don't want these poor people to 143 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: get frustrated. That's not a fun day at the museum, 144 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: crying kid? What's the better option? 145 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: Right? Right? 146 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: And I don't know, but I I always find myself 147 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: because I am also you know, deep in Star Wars fandom, 148 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: not Pokemon fandom. But I tend to think about, like, Okay, 149 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: if this same kind of thing we're happening in my fandom, 150 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: would I be one of those people that chases something 151 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: like this down? And I don't know that I would be. 152 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: There is no shade to people that do. I just 153 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: always find myself going, okay, is all of this effort 154 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: and hustle worth the stress of it? And will it 155 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: really be beneficial to me? Like in six months, Am 156 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: I still going to care about this? 157 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: Right? Sure? 158 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: One year? Am I still going to care about this? 159 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: In five years? How much will I care that I 160 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: have the Van Go Pokemon? Yeah, except I'm trying to, 161 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, translate it into a Star Wars thing, like 162 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: is there a van Go porge? And would I knock 163 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: people over in a museum for it? 164 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 165 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: I feel similarly about like seasonal events and video games 166 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: where you get special prizes. And there have been video 167 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: games that I was really excited about and I would 168 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: make a concerted effort to get the seasonal reward prize. 169 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: But I just, for example, came back to a game 170 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: called Astronear after a long time of playing it, and 171 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: I came into it near the end of a seasonal event, 172 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: and at first I was like, this seems cool, and 173 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, I don't actually I don't 174 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: actually need to. I can play the game the way 175 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to play the game and not shift focused 176 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: on what I was doing to try to do all 177 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: the seasonal events stuff instead, and it is not going 178 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: to have an impact on my enjoyment of this game. 179 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: Raim to not have the seasonal visor reward. 180 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tricky. Those are tricky. So yeah, uh, did 181 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: you have another thing on your list? 182 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it is? What is ruby slippers? 183 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: The ruby slippers? Yes, I mean I have seen a 184 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: pair of the ruby slippers in person. I think I've 185 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: seen a couple pair. 186 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: Huh. 187 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to be cruel, but to mistake those 188 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: for actual jewels seems like a bit of ding dongerie. Well, 189 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: and so that's so okay to me, especially when we 190 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: get to the part of the movie. I guess it's 191 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: I guess the whole time she has the shoes on, 192 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: it's in color. It's obviously sequence on TV, on TV 193 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: with you know, the image quality of a television in 194 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, which is probably the first time I 195 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: ever saw it. So I really don't I don't know. 196 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: And I did not go like read court transcripts or whatever. 197 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: That would have been too far for this, Like, I 198 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: don't know if this is something, if this person really 199 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: did genuinely believe that these were real rubies, or if 200 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: this was their defense lawyers right, defense that they entered 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: into the record to try to get because I think 202 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty, so to try to get a more 203 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: lenient sentence, right. And I don't know the answer to 204 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: any of that. But when I like, I had seen 205 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: the headlines coming across that were like the shoes were found, 206 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: the shoes and I was going to court. And then 207 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: I got to the ones about you know, thought the 208 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: rubies were real, and I was like, what, I had 209 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: not been thinking about putting this in unearthed until I 210 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: got to this part about thinking the rubies were real. 211 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing. 212 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super duper weird to me. Yeah, and it's 213 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: like one of those six I guess if you're facing 214 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: like serious repercussions, you might be willing to just feign 215 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: that you are unable to use your vision to make 216 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: decisions about things, which is the kindest way. Yeah, but 217 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't, huh, that's super weird defense to me. I'm 218 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: gonna start selling Sequence on the black market now. So Yeah, 219 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: I did have a number of questions about like what 220 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: was really going on with that. A couple of things 221 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: that I did want to note is that one I 222 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: really felt like, just from my gut response, there was 223 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: more stuff this time around that had been published as 224 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: open access than in previous Yeah, it seemed like there 225 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: was a lot of open access stuff, which is nice 226 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: because one of the things that I like to do, 227 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:14,119 Speaker 1: especially when we're talking about like research related to indigenous 228 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: communities or research related to communities that were colonized and 229 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: the colonizers are doing the research, like I always want 230 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: to see if I can find out who, like, did 231 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: you have permission to do this? Right? And being able 232 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: to read the whole paper as an open access thing 233 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: is like that makes it a lot easier to figure 234 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: out sometimes because it will be there in the whole text, 235 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: and then you might not be able to see that 236 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: if you can only see the abstract. And in this case, 237 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: there were a couple of things where I couldn't find 238 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: any evidence about permission being given, and for a couple 239 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: of them, I was like, this makes this research kind 240 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: of upsetting to me. Because we talked about several things 241 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: that were related to ancient DNA that I tried to 242 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: stick with the stuff that was like did not have 243 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: that layer to it or if it did like that. 244 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: But there was one study that we didn't get into 245 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: in which a government had given permission to remove pieces 246 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: of bone from this burial site and take it away 247 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: to another country to do this DNA research on it, 248 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, did you ask? I can't tell 249 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: from this paper that you asked, and like the fact 250 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: that you took pieces of bone away somewhere else without asking, 251 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: like I felt gross about it. Conversely, there were a 252 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: couple of things that didn't make it into the episode 253 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: just because I could not I could not find the 254 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: best way to approach it. One was about Aboriginal peoples 255 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: in Australia living in coastal areas fifty thousand years ago, 256 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and I couldn't quite wrap my head around how to 257 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: explain it, which is why it didn't wind up in 258 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: the episode. But the indigenous or the Aboriginal community that 259 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: this was a subject of the study was actively part 260 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: of the study and cited as co authors on the paper, 261 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: and that I really liked, even though I was like, 262 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: I can't figure out how to explain this, it was 263 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: just a little bit beyond my ability to comprehend. Also, 264 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: there was just a lot a lot of stuff. There 265 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: were way more links to go through than I really thought, 266 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: and whole we could have probably done a third episode. 267 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: I could not have written a third episode in time 268 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: to record it. But there was enough material that we 269 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: could have had another episode that would have had as categories, 270 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: possibly war stuff, because there was a whole lot of 271 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: stuff that I had that was about gauntlets and armor, 272 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: and lots of stuff about armor, and the large number 273 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: of unexploded ordnance discoveries and animals that we had a 274 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: bunch of. There were a bunch of animal finds that 275 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I had pulled into a partial list to maybe talk about. 276 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: Same as last time, we didn't have a whole section 277 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: on repatriations. I didn't feel as much like I was 278 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: reading a police blotter when I read about various repatriations 279 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: this time, but I wanted to focus more on the 280 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: final rule for Nagra. That felt like a more meaningful 281 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: inclusion in the episode than the like few individual reparations 282 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: that had come up in the news research over the 283 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: last few months. So, yeah, don't mind, I'm just picking 284 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: sequence off of everything I can find to sell on 285 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: the blacks sell them on. I just hear something. Why 286 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: is that a better defense than saying he stole them 287 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: to sell them to a private collector? Yeah? I mean 288 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: is it a different level of punishment? Potentially? 289 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Or and maybe, uh, I don't know. I don't 290 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: know again. I just I'm. 291 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: Literally gonna lie in bed, awake at night, wondering what 292 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: the heck that thought process was here, you're going to 293 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: go trying to find court transcripts to see exactly what 294 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: it was that was said. Why is that a better 295 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: defense than just saying he thought some collector would want 296 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: Judy Garland's shoes. Yeah, unless here's my crime fanfic. Unless 297 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: saying something like that might implicate a person who would 298 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: get real, real mad. That's the only thing I can 299 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: think of, like some renowned, very dangerous collector of Wizard 300 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: of Oz paraphernalia. 301 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: Sure. 302 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: I like how we're making kind of a whole alternate 303 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: universe about Yeah. So anyway, aside from immediately getting off 304 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: on the wrong foot with a piggybank that was really 305 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: a jar, I had a fun time researching this. It 306 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: is still fun. Occasionally when it goes in a more 307 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: frustrating way, we will get emails from folks who are like. 308 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: I hope it stays fun because I like listening to them. 309 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: It's still fun, still fun, And it'll be back in 310 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: roughly three months with another installment of Unearthed. So happy Friday. 311 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: Whatever's happening on your weekend. If you're going to go 312 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: to a museum that's having some kind of collaborative exhibition 313 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: that may or may not have a scavenger hunt, I 314 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: hope it goes well and is not some kind of 315 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: strange descent into absolute chaos of people trying to get 316 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: a limited edition card. If you're able to take a break, 317 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: I hope your break is very RESTful. If you're not 318 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: able to take a break, I hope you're able to 319 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: take a minute like some solace somewhere. 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