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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: The spring Field Three three words that still haunt law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at NBC. Friends

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Speaker 1: and family of nineteen year old Suzanne Streeter an eighteen

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Speaker 1: She's never missed work, She's a very conscious, she's young, long.

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Speaker 1: We've a neighborhood canvas. We're just checking every league weekend

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Speaker 1: at this time, checking every league canvassing neighborhoods. How could

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Speaker 1: three women just disappear? Two of them teen, Suzanne Streeter

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Speaker 1: Morgan joining me, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon at starvar Brandy hit

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Speaker 1: series on iHeart Body backs that, just Scott Morgan. We

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Speaker 1: every day here I do missing person, but rarely do

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Speaker 1: how can that be that you have three people that

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Speaker 1: profile defense lawyer joining us out of Houston. Former prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: sometimes that don't have a body to describe for that.

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Speaker 1: plus their grown mother. That's a very big difference. Joining

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry, thank you for being with us, you know,

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Speaker 1: With the passages so much time, you just don't know

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Speaker 1: what's available. The only way to find out is to act.

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Speaker 1: There were leads. Take a listen to our fensy kolr

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Speaker 1: Ten Police have made much of identifying this composite sketch.

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00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: A woman saw the transient looking man in the neighborhood

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00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: near the Levin home around the time the women disappeared,

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00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: but no one else has confirmed those sightings and no

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00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: identification has been made. Police are also trying to track

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00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: down a brown, older model Dodge van like this one.

435
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: It was reportedly seen in the area early on the

436
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: morning the women disappeared, but again by only one person

437
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: and the report is so far unsubstantiated. Leads that were

438
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: generated at the time but seemingly have all gone cold.

439
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: These women never seen again, the case seemingly stymied. Take

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00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: a listen to Francis Watson KYTV. For nearly two weeks,

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00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: police and citizens in Springfield, Missouri have been haunted by

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00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: a mystery that mystery only deepening as time went by.

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00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Tips about a suspicious looking van in the area around

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00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: the time of the disappearance put authorities on high alert.

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00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: All the agencies in the area are working very hard

446
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: to try and locate these people on these bands. All leads,

447
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: no matter how incredible, hunted down Lead number fifteen th

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00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: four hundred and sixteen. There's a buzzards flying over some

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00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: silow or something, and they were they would send people

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00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: book out joining me. First cop on the scene, Rick

451
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: tell me about how crazy it was at the time

452
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: these three women go missing to search for them. Well,

453
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: it was certainly full throttle. Every resource available and even

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00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: ones that weren't we're put into this. And as Chief

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00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Web mentioned in that tape, every single call that came

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00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: in was documented and the officers were sent to investigate,

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00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter where it was, whether it was

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Speaker 1: in our jurisdiction or not. Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the timeline Jo Scott Morgan. So the

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00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: girls get to the home, everybody jump in if I've

461
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: got it wrong, around two am, and then they're reported

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Speaker 1: missing the following morning, I guess around nine ish when

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00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: they didn't show up to go to the water park.

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00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: So you've got a seven hour window. And I also

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00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder about neighbors. How easy it would

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00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: have been to get the girls and the mom over

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00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: to a neighbor's house, as opposed to struggling to get

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Speaker 1: all three of them into a vehicle, because obviously they

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00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: were taking in a vehicle unless they went to a

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Speaker 1: neighbor's home. How do you marshal them to get them

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Speaker 1: out of the door. You know, a threat of force,

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Speaker 1: I think is really the only way that that could

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Speaker 1: potentially be accomplished. If you're going to throw a firearm

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Speaker 1: up in these three women's face. You know, keep in

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Speaker 1: mind two o'clock in the morning. There you're in a daze.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but I am. You know,

477
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: you come walking into this environment, you're going to have

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00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: compliant people. The fact that I think that maybe we

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00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: didn't hear screaming or anything like that goes to this idea.

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00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, you either do what I say or I'm

481
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: going to kill you right here to get them out

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Speaker 1: of the door. And you're right, there has to be

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: a motor vehicle involved in this, And how do you

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00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: get them into that car? And relative to the neighbors,

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00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: did they see anything that was out of the ordinary

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00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: relative to a car that would have pulled up in there?

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00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: And when I've seen the images from the scene, Nancy,

488
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: regarding the two cars that were there, it's almost like

489
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: a looped driveway. You think about, well, are you going

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00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: to walk them across the front lawn into a waiting vehicle.

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00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: Is there a back way to get them out of

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00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the house. Is there any evidence that that could have occurred?

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00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Or did you pull up right to the door and

494
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, you get them into the vehicle and then

495
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: spirit them off into the night, and you know, by

496
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: that time, seven hours down range, you could be anywhere

497
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: heading out of Springfield in any number of different directions.

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00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Then evidence or a tip comes forth about a parking structure.

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00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Take a listener ends at KY three. The parking structure

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Speaker 1: at Cox's Health South campus was examined with special equipment

501
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: after rumors circulated that the women were buried there, though

502
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: nothing was found. An anonymous mail caller told KY three

503
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: that inside this newspaper stand also note with possible clues

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00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: on the women's whereabouts. It was found in an invope

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00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: need to cut the words out, just like in the movies.

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00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Over the years, tips continue to trickle in, not only

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00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: to police, but to our station. These handwritten letters mail

508
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: to KY three with vague details and theories about what

509
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: happened here on Delmar Street. Sending tips or information to

510
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: a TV station is thought unheard of. Everyone's familiar with

511
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: BTK buying, torture kill serial killer Dennis writer who would

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00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: actually engage in conversations and communications with local media. So

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Speaker 1: do you recall Rick book out the search of the

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Speaker 1: College Health Medical Center based on a timp the three

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00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: women were buried there? Yes, I remember that. And if

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00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I could back up just a minute to the neighbors,

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00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: another officer and myself at the time that evening, we

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00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: canvass the neighborhood, all the neighbors on the street behind,

519
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: next door, across the street, and no one saw or

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00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: heard anything. And logistically talking about the vehicle parked in

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00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: front of the house or in the loop, this house

522
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: was only about a half a block away from a

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Speaker 1: major business roadway, and so the east side of the

524
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: house was a privacy fence. On the other side of

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00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: the privacy fence was a parking lot to a business.

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Speaker 1: That would be my guess where if there was a

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Speaker 1: vehicle involved, it would have been parked there. Yep. I

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00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: think you're right, and we've seen that before where a

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00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: part will enter through a fence to get into a yard.

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Speaker 1: But coming from a major thoroughfare or like you're saying,

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Speaker 1: a business, what are your other thoughts on them being

532
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: spirited away? How did it happen. Rick, Well, you know,

533
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: I wish I knew. It's always been my opinion that

534
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: this broken globe. I think it was broken on the

535
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: way out rather than on the way in. But that's

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00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: just my opinion. Broken on the way Why do you

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00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: say that, Well, if it were broken on the way in,

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00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and as the gentleman stated, they may not have had

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00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: shoes on, I don't think they're gonna walk three barefooted

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00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: people through broken glass. But and if it was, if

541
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: it were broken on the way out, you know, you

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00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: have to say, well, how would that have been broken

543
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: on the way out? Could have been broken if somebody

544
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: was carrying something or struggling. Yeah, yeah, And the fact

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00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: that the bulb itself wasn't wasn't broken just the globe,

546
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: because you're right, that is a very common thing. People

547
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: don't want to be seen. They'll disables the bulb and

548
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't. So I think it was just knocked. I

549
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: think it was knocked loose. I'm not sure anybody did

550
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: it intentionally, but again just my opinion. Now, cops say

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00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: they are making progress. Are they take a listen our

552
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: forensic ko l R Ten Police say they have made

553
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: significant progress since the three women turned up missing. They've

554
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: sifted through items inside the East Delmar home. Analysts continue

555
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: looking at everything from fingerprints to financial records in the

556
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: hunt for clues. They put together background reports on Stacy

557
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: McCall and Susie Streeter. Two detectives flew to the Seattle

558
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: area hoping to complete a profile of Cheryl Levitt's life,

559
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: but many of the most dramatical leads mentioned publicly by

560
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: police so far have been based on thin or unsubstantiated information.

561
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: To you and Roderick Jones, star of the Springfield Three,

562
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: a small town disappearance podcast, Looking tell Me About Robert

563
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: Craig Cox. So, Robert Craig Cox was from Springfield, Missouri.

564
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: He was an army ranger, and he was later accused

565
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: of killing Sharon Zellers, who was found in Orange County, Florida,

566
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: when he was staying there with his parents in a

567
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: day's inn. He was not convicted of that until eleven

568
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: years later, and then when he was on death row

569
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: for Sharon Zellers, there wasn't enough evidence to convict him,

570
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: it was reversed and he went free. It was reported

571
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: during that time that he was free. He lived in Springfield,

572
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Missouri before then later, you know, just avoiding basically avoiding prison.

573
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: He ended up going to prison later for kidnapping. He

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00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: claimed that he had an alibi the night that the

575
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: three women went missing. It was from his fiance and

576
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: they said that they were at church. And then it

577
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: later turns out that his fiance recanted her statement. He's

578
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: in a Texas prison. He says that he knows where

579
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: the women are, he knows where they're buried, and that

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00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: he won't say until after his mother is dead. And

581
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: his mother is still alive at this time. Tell me

582
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: about the case of Sharon Sellers. So Sharon Sellers was

583
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: a young woman. She was getting off work later in

584
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: the evening and her body was found that night. It

585
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: was decomposed. It just so happened that Robert Craigcox was

586
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: visiting Florida during that time. I believe he was visiting

587
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: from California, where he had lived, and he was staying

588
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: with his parents at a day's in. He came back bloodied,

589
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: part of his tongue was bitten off. At the time,

590
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, but he was

591
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: convicted eleven years later. He said on death row and

592
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: then in the state of Florida, there wasn't enough evidence

593
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: and the conviction was reversed and he went free and

594
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: ends up right here in town where the girls go

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00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: missing and Roderick Jones, what do you make of a

596
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: girlfriend's recentation? Well, you know, her daughter actually reached out

597
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: to me after listening to the podcast and just listening

598
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to the episode about Robert Craig Cox, and was like,

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00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think I need to call in and

600
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: talk about this. She had never spoken about it, but

601
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: her mother was the one who was engaged to Robert

602
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: Craig Cox, and they all lived in the home together.

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00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: And her mother currently has alzheimer, So you know, we

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00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: weren't able to get an interview with her, but her

605
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: daughter told me that her mother did recamp that statement

606
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: that you know, at the time, she was really in

607
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: love with Robert Craig Cox. He was incredibly charismatic and

608
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: had convinced her to say that they were at church together.

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00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: To Rick book Out, the former Springfield police officer first

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00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: on the scene, what do you make of this guy?

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00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Do you think he is a killer? Well, you know,

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00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I really don't know. I've

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00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: talked to detectives who have gone down and interviewed him,

614
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and you know they're they're just not real sure either.

615
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Good question too, and Roderick Jones, what does this guy

616
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: have to say, Robert Cox that could not be gleaned

617
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: from media reports. You know, it's a great question, and

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00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he does. I tried to get

619
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: an interview with him and wasn't able to do so.

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00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't interested in it. But you know, it certainly

621
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: could be sensationalizing this, which is you know why we

622
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: just told the story from the facts that we had.

623
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Certainly didn't want to sensationalize this tragedy, and it seems

624
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: that you know, he could he could certainly be doing so.

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00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Toda Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists. It wouldn't be the first

626
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Speaker 1: time that an inmate sought to enhance his reputation or

627
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: notoriety by claiming responsibility for a notorious crime. Absolutely, it

628
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: happens fairly frequently, unfortunately, and when I first heard that

629
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: this person has claimed responsibility, it makes me wonder what

630
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: kind of privilege edges they're getting or you know, in

631
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: non technical terms, street cred in the prison for claiming

632
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: responsibility because they find it curious, if they're looking for attention,

633
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: why he wouldn't agree to be interviewed for the podcast.

634
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: And he of course was in Springful at the time

635
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: of the disappearance and very very curious. Police went to

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Speaker 1: speak to him immediately after the disappearance. As of right now,

637
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: no resolution. If you have or think you have information

638
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: about the disappearance of these women, please dial four one

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Speaker 1: seven eight six four eighteen ten, Repeat four one seven

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