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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains general spoilers for a lot of

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Speaker 1: Captain America characters. That means Statius Ross, that means Sam Wilson,

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Speaker 1: that means Steve Rogers. That means Bucky Barnes in the

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Speaker 1: MCU movies, but also in Marvel comic books. So be

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Speaker 1: warned because we're going to tell you who these people

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Speaker 1: are and how we get to Captain America Brave New World. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Getupsio and on Mesday Night, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and

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Speaker 1: pop culture Recovery of LRA podcast where we're bringing you

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Speaker 1: three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, as Jason hinted in the spoiler warning,

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Speaker 2: we are looking at the road to Captain America a

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Speaker 2: Brave New World. How did we get here? In the

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Speaker 2: MCU what decisions? Let us here? Who is Sam Wilson?

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Speaker 2: You know who Sam Wilson is if you listen to

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Speaker 2: this podcast, but if you don't, who is he? How

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Speaker 2: did he take on the mantle of Captain America? And

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Speaker 2: who or what is a Red Hulk. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get into it, and then afterwards we're gonna do a

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Speaker 2: brief comics corner to talk about how the comics got

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Speaker 2: there so the movies could adapt them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with the MCU timeline of Captain America.

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Speaker 1: It opens in nineteen forty two, World War Two, raging

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Speaker 1: ninety eight pound weekling Brooklyn boy Steve Rodgers has tried

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Speaker 2: And it's so tiny.

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Speaker 1: He can't do it. He's like a little pinhead, Like

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Speaker 1: got heart, he got hot kid. Steve attends the Stark

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Speaker 1: Expo with his best friend in Brooklyn, Bucky Barnes, and

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Speaker 1: as luck would have it, scientist Abraham Erskine, who is

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Speaker 1: developing this super Soldier serum that will make everything that's

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Speaker 1: it into a bad man, he'll become worse. Put into

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Speaker 1: after overhearing conversation that Steve has, that maybe he could

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Speaker 1: be that guy. So he allows Steve to enlist in

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Speaker 1: the selection program, and Steve wins the bake off and

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Speaker 1: He immediately after being bombarded by Vita Rays with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Evans, no longer tiny CGI, Chris Evans, absolutely big, muscly,

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Speaker 1: Good for him, Good for him. And let me tell

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Speaker 1: you Peggy Carter, who was running the training program, the

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Speaker 1: So it works, but there's a problem because Hydra, the

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Speaker 1: Yes, But when he finds out that his best buddy,

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Speaker 1: That's right, Steve goes rogue on his own to rescue them,

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Speaker 1: and it's successful. Now with the Commandos at his back,

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Speaker 1: Howard Stark, Tony's dad gives Steve his iconic shield made

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Speaker 1: That's it, But the Allies do you managed to capture Artamzola.

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Speaker 1: Zola gives Rogers the location of like the main Hydro

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Speaker 1: Captain America defeats Hydra, beats the Red Skull, and like

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Speaker 1: in the year twenty eleven, Nick Fury wakes up Steve

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Speaker 1: We go to nineteen ninety one. Russian Assassin, Secret Assassin,

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Speaker 1: Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, a general, is one of many Department

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Speaker 1: But what you know, it doesn't get destroyed. Rosie Ross

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Speaker 1: That brings us to twenty twelve fictional twenty twelve and

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Speaker 1: Other members include Howard's son Tony the Iron Man, famed

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Time.

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Speaker 1: Why a fucking time?

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Speaker 2: Like, can you remember the first time you saw the

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Speaker 1: I was going absolutely crazy. I remember the I remember

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Speaker 1: The year is twenty fourteen. When not working with the Avengers,

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Speaker 1: and that is to secure intel on Project Insight. Insight

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Speaker 1: That's right now. One of his pals who he has

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Speaker 1: alive for the lja's plans. That's right, Foyle. Hydro's plans

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Speaker 2: I think we're also looks like he's probably got a

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Speaker 2: vibranium suit, because we seem to have some kind of

427
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Speaker 2: kinic absorption. So I hope Sam's really going to get

428
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: to be a hero here, and I hope that people

429
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: are going to get to kind of fall in love

430
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Speaker 2: with him. Okay, Aaron says, do we think the suit

431
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: is vibrainium or adamantium. Well, I would say the kinetic absorption.

432
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it is vibranium. But I

433
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: do think that just as the original Black Panther movie

434
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Speaker 2: and Claw and kind of the introduction of vibranium as

435
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: a natural resource that MCU would want like people in

436
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: the mc would want, I do think that we should

437
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: expect to probably hear about adamantium sometime soon. There is

438
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: also a big chance that one of the reasons that

439
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: Thaddius Ross goes on the transformative journey that he will

440
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: go on in this movie is we'll talk about more

441
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: in a moment in the comics is probably because they

442
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: know that there's a threat of mutation and all that

443
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Obviously, I'm excited because the eternals and

444
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: Arashim will be mentioned here, so finally maybe we can understand.

445
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: What people are doing about that. Maybe there's solestional in

446
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: the ocean, guys, anyone.

447
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: Anyone interested ever heard of it? But I do think

448
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: that with all the struggles of the MCU and everything

449
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: and the ups and downs, I do still think as

450
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: I will get to when we talk about comics in

451
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: a minute. Sam Wilson's very important character in Marvel history.

452
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: I think Anthony Macki does a great job bringing him

453
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: to life, and I hope that after maybe the kind

454
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: of slightly lacking in impact of Cap in the Winter

455
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: Falcon and The Winter Soldier, I think that I'm hoping

456
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: that this at least does Sam Wilson justice. And I'm

457
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: interested to see because it feels crazy to be two

458
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: weeks out and even in our discord, this is not

459
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: what the people are talking about, you know, the people

460
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: are talking about everything else. So I'm gonna be yes,

461
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: it was, And I just need to say, it's Tiama

462
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: who is in the ocean, not Arisham. Arisham is a

463
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Speaker 2: celestial How.

464
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Could you it was me?

465
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: How can I ever get this wrong about my favorite

466
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: move or my favorite movie. The Eternal is on paper.

467
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: There's some fun, dramatic juice. Yes, it's going into this movie,

468
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 1: like the President has arrested Captain America multiple times, Like

469
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: in his past job as Secretary of State and Avengers Hunter,

470
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: he has imprisoned Sam Wilson, currently Captain America in the

471
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Speaker 1: Raft multiple times. And I feel like that's a really

472
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: cool like conflict to just have. That's your boss. Your

473
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: boss has put you in prison and now, and so

474
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's a really cool place to start dramatically,

475
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: and so I hope that I'm hoping that this movie

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Speaker 1: is cool. Should we go to comics Corner and let's

477
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Speaker 1: do it?

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Speaker 2: Corner up.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to comics Corner, where we're now going to where

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Speaker 1: Rosie is now going to walk you through the origins

481
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: of and the developments around some of these characters, notably

482
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: read Hulk, who is a more recent character in a

483
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Speaker 1: comics canon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I will I will begin with Sam Wilson, as

485
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: it will be easy to justly through pun intended. So Ever,

486
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: since Sam was given cap Shield at the end of Endgame,

487
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: people have said, oh, it's Sam Wilson. Was he have

488
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: a Captain America? Yes, though it did take a long

489
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: time for him to get there, but his connection to

490
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: Captain America and specifically Steve Rodgers was there from the

491
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: very beginning. He was one of the first black superheroes

492
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: really with any prominence in Marvel Comics. In fact, Stanley

493
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: actually introduced the Falcon at a chat at Duke University.

494
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: His talk was titled Comics as a reflection of contemporary culture,

495
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: and he expressed kind of the need to keep comics

496
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: updated with social movements. Falcon's first appearance was in nineteen

497
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: sixty nine and Captain America one seventeen, and from then

498
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: on the characters just had this really deep connection. Steve

499
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: was the one who encouraged Sam to take on the

500
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: heroic mantle of Falcon, inspired by the wild bird that

501
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: the Harlem resident had trained, because in the original comics,

502
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: Sam essentially had a connection to birds that began as

503
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: a non superheroic power and evolved into avian telepathy essentially,

504
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: and the pair were actually so connected that in nineteen

505
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: seventy one, just two years after Sam was first introduced,

506
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: the publication title of the flagship Captain America book was

507
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: changed to Captain America and the Falcon and stayed that

508
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 2: way for seven years. Sam and Steve have long been

509
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: best friends and compatriots and fellow heroes, with the pair

510
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: in one of my favorite issues even apparently sharing a

511
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: bed during Jack Kirby's Captain America one ninety three, where

512
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: they debated slavery and civil war, and Sam basically just

513
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: told Steve the real, real talk. It was late to

514
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: confirmed by Marvel that they are in two beds that

515
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: are just very close. But I don't know if I

516
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: believe that their close relationship, along with Sam's heroism and

517
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: kind of moral compass, led to a large segment of

518
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: fans just constantly asking like, will Sam ever become Captain America?

519
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: Because throughout the years, as we know, Steve Rogers has

520
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: given it up, he has become nomad. We've seen people

521
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: like US agent John Walker take over the mantle, but

522
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: fans would often write in and be like, when will

523
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: Sam take the mantle? What does Sam Wilson have to

524
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: bring now? In the comics. I will say this is

525
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: something I talk about a lot when we talk about

526
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Speaker 2: Sam Wilson. Sam Wilson was originally a social worker, and

527
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Speaker 2: I think that is something that I was kind of

528
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: pained to see them take out of the movies, even

529
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: though they play into it a little bit with him

530
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: being a veteran and a counselor, but he was a

531
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: social worker then, as many black comic characters deal with.

532
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: There was some a really racist retcon where they made

533
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: it that actually that was fake and he just said

534
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: that to help Captain America and really he was a

535
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: gangster named Snap Wilson and luckily that was really bad. Yes,

536
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: there's some classically bad stuff. And then eventually it was

537
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: brought back to him being a social worker and it

538
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: was all to do with the Red skull Shenanigans in people.

539
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: So he's had a really complicated road. But I will

540
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: say something that's very cool is, as you notice from

541
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: the mentions of the villains there, like Red, Red Skull

542
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: and stuff, Sam is inherently a Captain America character, Like

543
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: this is where he is and this was always going

544
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: to be his path and if you can believe it.

545
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 2: So he was introduced guys in nineteen sixty nine and

546
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't until twenty fourteen that he took on the mantle,

547
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: and that was in the final issue of Rick Ramenda

548
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: and Carlos Pacheco's Captain America run, where there was a

549
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: momentous kind of sequence that would see the Avengers Endgame one.

550
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: After Steve has turned into an old man far closer

551
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: to the reality of his actual age than his Super

552
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: Soldier serum version, he has to choose a new America

553
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: Captain America, and alongside Peggy, he chooses Sam to take

554
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: on the role, and then a month later all new

555
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Captain America, which had Stuart immanon legend on art duties

556
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: with Remeenda writing, and that was kind of where we

557
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: saw Sam Wilson as Captain America for the very first time.

558
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, Sam got a new series called Captain

559
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: America Sam Wilson, helmed by controversial writer and failed politician

560
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: Nick Spencer, leading into the much maligned Hydra cap Art

561
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: arc where Captain America was a Nazi terrible stuff off

562
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: and the fact that Sam was Captain America at all,

563
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: that was really what mattered. And as he's now kind

564
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: of taken on the mantle in the movies and the

565
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: TV show, something that I think a lot of fans

566
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: have always wanted is to allow black creatives in the

567
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: space of Sam Wilson, which to that point was not

568
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: the case. Both of Sam Wilson's Captain America stories then

569
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: were written by white writers and no rememders. Kind of

570
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: exploration was seen as relatively good one. In the Spencer series,

571
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: you know, there were things like Sam Wilson has to

572
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: go up against Black Lives Matter protesters or a team

573
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: of superpowered Sjw's and luckily we've kind of seen even

574
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: though there were critiques of the Sam Wilson representation as

575
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: CAP in the TV show on Disney Plus, we were

576
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: at least getting a black creative team telling these stories,

577
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: and it looks like we are gonna get the same

578
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: thing now and in the comics currently, we also do

579
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: have Evan Narcis writing the Captain America Sam Wilson book,

580
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: which is really fun plays into a lot of what

581
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna see in the movies with facing him off

582
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: against Red Hulk, and yeah, if you've ever wondered, like,

583
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: what are Sam's powers in the comics, well, originally he

584
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: was non superpowered. Then it was revealed that he had

585
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: superpowered telepathy towards birds, which is how he had red

586
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: wing his falcon, and then that became telepathy to all birds. Fantastic.

587
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: And then also one of my favorite things that I

588
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: hope we see in the movie is he's a master

589
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: martial artist because he was taught by none other than

590
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: Captain America Steven he is in he's Stephen Rodgers, a

591
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: famous judo master. Of course, peak human condition, peak human strength,

592
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: he's basically the healthiest that you can be and he

593
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: got just like in the MCU, he got his wings,

594
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: and Black Panther was actually the one who supplied him

595
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: with these kind of hard light wings. Tony Stark has

596
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: helped him with that suit. And this is very interesting,

597
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: I would be I would assume that the hood with

598
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: the glasses is what's going to explain this. In the comics,

599
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: he actually has like a cybernetic implant that allows him

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00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: to kind of see what birds can see. In case

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00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: you didn't know, I'm I'm a big fan of the

602
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: bird part of Falcon. I feel like we haven't got

603
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: into that enough. In the MCU, it's all drones, drones, drones,

604
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: But I will be interesting to see the version of

605
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Red Wing that they attempt to do. Also in the comics,

606
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: there was a time when Sam Wilson was insinuated to

607
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: be a mutant and that's how he could speak to

608
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: a good old Red Wing. But actually it was in

609
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: the end connected to Red School's use of the cosmic Cube.

610
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: And of course his number one paraphernalia and weapon is

611
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: Steve Rodgers shield, which he now carries. So that basically

612
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 2: takes us to how Sam Wilson became the beautiful hero

613
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: known as the Falcon and eventually Captain America. I'm big

614
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: Sam Wilson fan. He is a very important character, someone

615
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: who has numerous incredible comic book appearances and who I

616
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: hope will get his shine and his flowers in this

617
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: movie as Captain America as he should have been, you know,

618
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: since probably the seventies that should have happened. And now

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Speaker 2: onto Thaddeus Ross aka the Red Hulk. Now this whiler.

620
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah spoiler, oh yes, spoiler spoiler. Daddius Ross is an old,

621
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: old old character first debuted in The Incredible Hulk number

622
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: one from nineteen sixty two, created by Stanley and Jack Kirby,

623
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: of course, and it would be you know, decades later

624
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: that the Hulk's antagonist who was mostly just his antagonists

625
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: because the Hulk was banging his daughter Betsy Ross. And

626
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: years years later, in two thousand and eight, we would

627
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: learn that there was a new Hulk, the Red Hulk

628
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: or at the time, which I think is really funny.

629
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Speaker 2: I don't think this stuck the Roulk. They tried that one,

630
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: or the Incrediable Hulk with the big Red He's just

631
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: Red Hulk. That was in volume two of the Hulk

632
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: is Comics created by none other than Jeff Loeb and

633
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Ed McGuinness Ed McGinnis fantastic artist in Hulk number one.

634
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: This was a massive moment because it has something that

635
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: had actually been like seated and teased for a long time,

636
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: because in the Incredible Hulk TV series there was a

637
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: conversation that maybe there should be a red version of

638
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: the Hulk who was an evil version, but that never happened,

639
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: and then eventually jok Asada was like, let's introduce this

640
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: scary new red Hulk, and nobody knew who he was.

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Speaker 2: That was like the biggest thing about it was there

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Speaker 2: was a very scary, new aggressive Hulk. He murders Hulk adversaries.

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Speaker 2: He's murdering when the Wendigo, he's murdering the Abomination. He's

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Speaker 2: destroying the Hellic Carrier of Shields, so he doesn't really

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Speaker 2: have a side. He's essentially like a Godzilla esque force

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Speaker 2: of nature. He's fighting his way through San Francisco, causing

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Speaker 2: earthquakes and eventually is defeated by a team up of

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Speaker 2: Hulk and Thor. Then we start to get other teams

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Speaker 2: who are trying to work out who he is. People

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Speaker 2: like the Collector, people like the Silver Surfer. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Red Hulk is so powerful that at one point

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Speaker 2: in the comics he actually siphons the power Cosmic from

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Speaker 2: the Silver Surfer, essentially, you know, killing him and then

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Speaker 2: goes on the Silver Surface Board killing nay More, Tiger Shark,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Strange, Baron Mordo, the Grandmaster Psychoman. I love Psychoman.

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Speaker 2: That's a great poll and uh, but Galactus is like,

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Speaker 2: that's not happening, takes away the power cosmic and everyone

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Speaker 2: is born again. So then you start to work out, well,

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Speaker 2: where did this Red Holk come from? Is this a

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Speaker 2: gamma situation? Is it a different kind of event that

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Speaker 2: caused the Hawk. No, Like every problem in the MCU

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Speaker 2: and in the Marvel comics, pretty much every problem can

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Speaker 2: be drawn back to one thing. People trying to recreate

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Speaker 2: the super Soldier serum Jason Will.

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Speaker 1: They have a stop super Soldier they have ever stopped.

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Speaker 2: So you got This is what I think people don't

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Speaker 2: really understand, especially in a modern era of comics where

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Speaker 2: a lot of issues and a lot of series don't

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Speaker 2: go past you know, five issues. It's a mini series.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a limited series at best, with twelve it

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Speaker 2: was two years later that we finally found out who

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Speaker 2: Red Hulk was, which is pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: In the stretched it out like she thrung it out.

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Speaker 2: They made him a very scary character. You know, we

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Speaker 2: did have in two thousand and nine there was a

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Speaker 2: Code Red story arc which was where we got Red

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Speaker 2: chee h cool character.

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Speaker 1: I like it, and they have those kind of overarching mysteries.

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Speaker 1: They've done it a couple of times, obviously Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts

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Speaker 1: is one of those, but I like when they do that,

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Speaker 1: like who is the who could this new?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really fun, and you could have comics

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Speaker 2: that were going on long enough that at this time

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Speaker 2: you could take two years to reveal it. So in

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Speaker 2: a storyline that was called Full of the Hulk's Gamma,

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Speaker 2: the Red Hulk is essentially revealed to have killed General

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Speaker 2: Ross at the behest of Bruce Banner, shocking twist, making

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Speaker 2: it seem like the pair were teamed up, but that

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Speaker 2: was not true. What had actually had happened in the

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Speaker 2: very beloved World Well Hulk's storyline, which was kind of

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Speaker 2: the follow up to this, and I really like I

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Speaker 2: think this storyline is really really fun it's Greg Park,

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Speaker 2: it's Jeff Lob. It's not as iconic as like Planet

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Speaker 2: Hulk or World Willhulk, the original one. But this is

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Speaker 2: really fun because you get to find out that redche

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Speaker 2: Hulk is actually Betty Ross and that, just like Nick

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Speaker 2: Fury in the MCU, Dundbolt Ross was not actually killed,

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Speaker 2: the version of him that was killed was actually a

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Speaker 2: life model decoy, and that the real Red Hulk is

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Speaker 2: actually Betty's dad, Dunderbolt Rock. And this is where we

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Speaker 2: start to learn a little bit more about the Red

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Speaker 2: Hulk and his powers. He is very very very very

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Speaker 2: very powerful. But if he overheats, that's right, and then

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Speaker 2: you end up in a situation where he can be exhausted,

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Speaker 2: he can be beaten, and that will probably play into

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Speaker 2: the movie as we see it.

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Speaker 1: And that is the main difference. So Hulk Bruce Banner Hulk.

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Speaker 1: He can syriically get as strong as he needs to

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Speaker 1: get to fight anybody, depending on if he can get

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Speaker 1: angry enough, if he has time to get angry exactly,

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Speaker 1: so his strength increases with anger. Red Hulk. The angrier

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Speaker 1: he gets, the hotter he gets. He gets really hot.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't get strong, he's already like Hulk level strong,

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Speaker 1: but his strength does not increase, the temperature of his

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Speaker 1: body increases.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's very very interesting because A I

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Speaker 2: love this because it's basically comic book. It's very comic

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Speaker 2: book kind of law and comic book, almost book like explanation.

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Speaker 2: Why is he read? Oh he's just hot, you know.

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Speaker 2: I love that. That's really really fun. But yeah, he

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Speaker 2: is beaten by Hulk obviously, and he imprisons the Red

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Speaker 2: Hulk in a Gamma base and then later he I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, guys, we could see this happen,

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Speaker 2: so put an earmuffs over your ears if you don't

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Speaker 2: want to spoiler. But Red Hulk essentially ends up joining

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Speaker 2: the Avengers. I think here it would be more likely

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Speaker 2: that we would get a kind of Thunderbolts version, especially

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Speaker 2: seeing as Thunderbolt Ross Thunnibolt's wink wink, you know, nudge, nudge,

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Speaker 2: check that one out. But essentially after that, the Red

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Speaker 2: Hulk is more of a positive figure, at least the

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Speaker 2: version of the sorry I should say, the Thunderbolt Ross version.

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Speaker 2: There are multiple versions of the Red Hulk, but throughout

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Speaker 2: the years he is always getting imprisoned, turned into a

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Speaker 2: you know, helper on a team does something wrong, goes back,

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Speaker 2: and that is essentially what you need to know about

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Speaker 2: dunabout Ross aka the Red Hulk, who will be starring

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Speaker 2: in this movie, and I'm very interested to see the

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Speaker 2: version because in the comics, something that's very different about

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Speaker 2: the Red Hulk too is he's very clever. He is

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Speaker 2: essentially a smart Hulk or doctor Hulk or scientist Holk

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Speaker 2: or whichever version you want to call it. He is uninhibited,

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Speaker 2: He's incredibly tactical. He can plan anything, he can strategize anything.

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Speaker 2: He is essentially like the kind of Hulk who would

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Speaker 2: hold a gun. If you're somebody who loves Shadow the

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Speaker 2: Hedgehog and you're like, oh, my favorite thing about Shadow

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Speaker 2: the Hedgehog is like he holds a AK forty seven

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Speaker 2: in the video games. That's very much the same energy

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Speaker 2: as as Red Hulk. And it's gonna be really interesting

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Speaker 2: to see where this goes. Jason, My biggest question to you,

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Speaker 2: as somebody who knows these comics, well, who knows these characters,

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Speaker 2: will the Red Hulk be the true antagonist of Captain

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Speaker 2: America A brave New World?

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Speaker 1: Great question, I think not. I think that, at least

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Speaker 1: from the what I'm picking up in the trailer, it

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Speaker 1: seems to me that Fatteus might not even have been

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Speaker 1: aware that he had undergone whatever process that this is,

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Speaker 1: or the true nature of it, because he looks pretty

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Speaker 1: surprised to be turning into the Hulk.

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Speaker 2: So he's like, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, this sucks, Like this is mad.

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Speaker 1: I'm very interested. We will be very interested to see

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Speaker 1: how all this unfolds when Captain America Brave New World

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Speaker 1: debuts in just two weeks.

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Speaker 2: On February fourteenth. Valentine right O, Red Hulk. He's read romance. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's it for this episode of X ray Vision.

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Speaker 1: We will be covering Captain America Brave New World. So

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for our reactions. Thanks for listening, I Bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepcion and Rosie

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