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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, December seventeenth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. Nick Reiner, the

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Speaker 2: son of Robin Michelle Reiner, has officially been charged with

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Speaker 2: first degree murder as chilling new details emerge about life

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Speaker 2: inside their La home, plus the disturbing discovery tied to

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Speaker 2: pop star singer David who yet, by the way, has

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Speaker 2: not yet been arrested at all. There's really no movement

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Speaker 2: in this case, seemingly, but a little bit to unpack.

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Speaker 2: And also key statements that Luigi Mangioni has made in

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Speaker 2: court is now being said will not be used in court,

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Speaker 2: which is a very big deal. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: if I seem a little flustered, it's because I literally

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Speaker 2: am right now. It's just hitting our pages that Geelane

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Speaker 2: Maxwell has now asked for her sentence to be vacated.

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Speaker 2: As we know, she's serving a twenty year sentence for

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Speaker 2: being a co conspirator in the sex trafficking charges associated

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Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. Remember, we are two days away from

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Speaker 2: those alleged Epstein files to be released, and yes, this

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Speaker 2: may in fact be a roadblock.

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, I'm seeing.

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Speaker 2: It for the first time just before the show comes

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Speaker 2: on air, and I feel enraged. I feel like this

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Speaker 2: is all part of a scheme and I just don't

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Speaker 2: know what to make of it. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: take a really big deep breath from Stephanie Leidecker. I'm here,

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Speaker 2: of course, with Courtney Armstrong and body move in and

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Speaker 2: it's the perfect night to have our favorite prosecutor Farantino

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Speaker 2: with us this evening to answer any of it, all

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Speaker 2: of our legal questions.

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Speaker 3: So I'm taking it down a notch. Jared, help help. Honestly, ladies,

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Speaker 3: where do would you like to begin?

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Speaker 2: Because the Gilain Maxwell thing is just fresh off the presses.

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Speaker 2: I know it's evolving as we speak. The President is making,

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Speaker 2: you know, an address to the nation. Will be monitoring

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Speaker 2: that closely. But man, oh man, it seems like the

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Speaker 2: world is a little upside down today. Courtney, what do

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Speaker 4: I think we all collectively take and kind of hold

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Speaker 4: on to that breath with the Epstein files for a

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Speaker 4: moment and dive into the Rob.

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Speaker 3: Reiner on the site. So tragic. It's so tragic and

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Speaker 3: a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 4: So thirty two year old Nick Reiner has indeed been

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Speaker 4: charged with first degree murder of his parents, beloved director

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Speaker 4: Rob Reiner and his wife, producer Michelle Singer Reiner. The

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Speaker 4: pair were found fatally stabbed in the Brenton with Los

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Speaker 4: Angeles home a couple of days ago on December fourteenth,

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Speaker 4: and their son. Again, he has a really long history

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Speaker 4: of substance abuse, and he was arrested just hours after

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Speaker 4: the alleged murder is believed to have taken place.

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Speaker 3: He is being held.

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Speaker 4: Without bail and he is awaiting an arraignment on January seventh.

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Speaker 3: So that's the very very top line of it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, worth noting he was wearing like a

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Speaker 2: suicide bag, basically like a suicide suit.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen that quite before.

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Speaker 2: It looks like it's a sleeveless, legless little blue number.

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Speaker 2: And you know, again he was not seen on camera.

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Speaker 2: We've only seen a sketch. It did not appear that

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Speaker 2: there were family members in the courtroom supporting him in

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Speaker 3: And it looks like he's looking at a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly seems like it'll not be a smooth

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Speaker 4: you're referring to, which I hadn't either, it's a blue

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Speaker 4: anti suicide smock, is what it's called. And Nick Reiner

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Speaker 4: coming in looking like a year two law student. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: that's the visual of Nick Reiner today. The Los Angeles

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Speaker 4: County Medical Examiner has ruled the deaths of Michelle and

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Speaker 4: Son Griner he fled Brentwood, which is in the western

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Speaker 4: the crime scene. That's in eastern Los Angeles. And there's

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Speaker 4: been newly released surveillance footage that shows the suspect, Nick

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Speaker 3: It looks like he was just going to go buy, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, he was thirsty prior to either killing his

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Speaker 5: Well, he must have gone to the hotel room at

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Speaker 3: Right, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: According to reports, it was in the shower and generally

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Speaker 3: And this was shortly before his arrest. Okay, so presumably

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Speaker 5: Well, allegedly he kills them, goes back to the hotel room, showers,

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Speaker 5: and then maybe goes to score. Maybe what do we

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Speaker 3: Going to score?

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Speaker 2: That's probably what he was doing. Either he had buds

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Speaker 2: limited footage we've seen of his arrest. You know, there

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Speaker 2: was no contest. They put him to the ground. They

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Speaker 2: and yeah, time to sober up, my friend, because things

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Speaker 4: So there's a couple of other details. But I'm absolutely

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Speaker 4: dying to know this from Jarrett, which I think we

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Speaker 4: all are, which is, what do you think are potentially

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Speaker 4: unique in the possible defenses? And is it in the

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Speaker 4: realm of possibility that I was so strung out on

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Speaker 6: That Well, it's one of his good evening everyone, jar

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Speaker 6: at sicy advice. I think that that defense is the

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Speaker 6: likely top contender right now. The defense is essentially some

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Speaker 6: kind of mental infirmity. Okay, but in California, you got

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Speaker 6: to hit the jackpot of insanity. You don't just get

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Speaker 6: to say I'm a little crazy, throw in the little drugs.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know what I was doing. I killed my parents.

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Speaker 6: So when we're talking about buying a drink right before

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Speaker 6: I see deliberate acts where you are in control of

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Speaker 6: your faculties. You know, to high tail it out of

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Speaker 6: capable of committe intentional acts like murder. That's what I

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Speaker 6: would say if I was prosecuting the case. If I

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Speaker 6: mental condition does Nick Reiner suffer from? That I can

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Speaker 6: trace back and attribute to his actions. But he literally

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Speaker 6: would not have to understand the fact that I have

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Speaker 6: the level of insanity under the Magnoton test, which is

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Speaker 6: what applies in California. You need.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean those seem like deliberate things, right,

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Speaker 5: he had the conscious of mind to clean up, right.

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Speaker 6: They are, And it shows someone who's thinking clearly. Obviously

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Speaker 6: not maybe not as clear as a law abiding citizen.

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Speaker 6: But that's not the standard. The standard is does this

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Speaker 6: person appreciate the nature and quality of their actions? That's

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Speaker 6: literally the test that supplied to me, not in tests.

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Speaker 6: It's one hundred and fifty year old.

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Speaker 2: Techt And we talked about this last night Jared too.

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Speaker 2: The sheets on the windows I think is a particularly

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Speaker 2: chilling detail because again, that shows foresight that I know

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Speaker 2: I'm paranoid enough to know that people will be looking

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Speaker 2: for me, likely because I've done something very very bad

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Speaker 2: times too. And yeah, I'm in hiding if you will.

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Speaker 6: I mean, she's on the defense. Sorry, But the defense

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Speaker 6: side of that is I'm crazy. I just every crazy

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Speaker 5: And I think there's something to that, Jared. And the

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Speaker 5: reason I think that is I've stayed in a lot

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Speaker 5: I've never been in a hotel where there wasn't like

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Speaker 5: blackout curtains of some kind. Hanging sheets up it, you know,

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Speaker 2: Do unless it's getting light out and you're tweaking on

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Speaker 2: I guess to your point, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Blackout curtains.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those every I mean, listen, every hotel room I've

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Speaker 2: I hate it when there's that little streak and like

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Speaker 5: I just feel like hanging the sheets up is a

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Speaker 3: I disagree.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just like, yeah, I'm tweaked out on drugs,

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Speaker 2: I just murdered my parents and I'm having crazy thoughts

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Speaker 5: Because I'm your crazed hotel room, because I'm crazy and

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Speaker 5: it's documented, and I've gone to mental rehabilitation facilities my

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Speaker 3: Well that was.

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Speaker 2: Another question too, Jared. You know the picture that we've

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Speaker 2: all been painted by, frankly, all the media essentially and

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Speaker 2: seventeen times in a limited amount of time, does you

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Speaker 2: know drug rehabilitation time? Seventeen stints? Does that show mental

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I don't think there's any doubt that

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Speaker 6: But it could all be true. You can have the

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Speaker 6: or a lot crazy and still be guilty of murder

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Speaker 6: and still be addicted to drugs and still fail seventeen

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Speaker 6: be true. It's certainly indicative that he has some mental

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Speaker 6: health issues. I looked at the pictures of this young man,

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Speaker 6: though certainly everybody sees the footage of him from two

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Speaker 6: thousand and fifty, if you look at the latest pictures

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Speaker 6: of him, when the mind suffers, the body cries out.

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Speaker 6: This is someone who has fallen out of shape. But

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Speaker 6: not a judgment. But when someone is in the throes

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Speaker 6: This is a beautiful family, you know, and Nick was

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Speaker 6: look at the family at a premiere. They're at this

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Speaker 3: He does he does.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's just beautifully and they're all and he's kind of

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Speaker 5: like disheveled, right, Jared, He's kind of like a slob

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Speaker 5: Happy for that info, and happy holidays to you. Happy

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine that that is not a fun

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Speaker 2: I suppose knowing that you allegedly murdered your parents and

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Speaker 6: Let me put a big proviso over this fer speculation

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Speaker 6: for him in the event of a problem. That's what

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Speaker 6: That to me is the simplest explanation of how you

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Speaker 4: Is there any universe that in this Probably not, But

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Speaker 6: Well, it's certainly at first he does not need any

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Speaker 3: And doesn't this feel like a loser case to take on?

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Speaker 2: Like there doesn't seem to be a huge to your

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Speaker 3: We were talking.

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Speaker 5: About, you know, the possibility of distrust funding his defense.

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Speaker 5: So in essence, the parents that he murdered allegedly are

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Speaker 5: And then that's what's going on, and that's what's happened, Jared.

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Speaker 4: So, Nick Reiner, he didn't enter a plea during his

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Speaker 3: What's the why? Who calculated that decision and why?

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Speaker 6: Well, Alan Jackson, I'm sure advised him to waive his

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Speaker 6: going to make a determination if this is a mental

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00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 6: health situation, how do we advise him to play. If

437
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 6: he's fine, he could go in and you can treat

438
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 6: him like any other client. If there's a documented clinical,

439
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 6: organic mental health history, they need to deal with that.

440
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 6: So that is all the reason in the world you

441
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Speaker 6: would make that request.

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Speaker 2: It's like seventeen times he's snuck himself out of healthcare

443
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: and mental care and drug rehab. You know, you kind

444
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: of get good at the system at that point too.

445
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: So again, not an easy road ahead in terms of

446
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: testing him. I can't imagine that his parents haven't had

447
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: every healthcare professional throne at him throughout the years to

448
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: get him the help that they so desperately wanted him

449
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: to have. And you know, sometimes an addict can kind of,

450
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: you know, dance around stuff, and I don't know, it

451
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: seems like it's just going to be a big mess

452
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: to come and I feel so bad for Romi, the

453
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: sister and the older brother, and like, this is a

454
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: guy that was a ticking time bomb. How about anybody

455
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: that was at Conan O'Brien's holiday party. You know, this

456
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: guy was ready to murder that night. So we're going

457
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: to be there, Mamas, We're going to be there that night.

458
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, you have Bill Hayter, the the median like

459
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: who apparently he got like ticked off at that could

460
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: have actually gone real sideways and become quite deadly now

461
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: that you see that. And for romy like, you know,

462
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: she showed up a couple hours earlier, what could have

463
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: been killed.

464
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Speaker 5: Romi said, it's you have to contact my brother. He's dangerous.

465
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: He's dangerous. He knew it was him. What a terrible

466
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 5: spot for her to be in. And I'm all mad

467
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 5: about it.

468
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: It's so holidays, you know, people are trying to celebrate what.

469
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Speaker 3: Shame on him. Shame, shame, shame.

470
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Speaker 2: It's alf with the Menanda's brothers would say about this though.

471
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm going to reach out to the Menanda's

472
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: brothers behind bars because I'm curious what their take on

473
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: this is. In the city that they were also tried

474
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: and you know, convicted for a crime that they committed.

475
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: Patricide is a very real thing and a very rare thing,

476
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Speaker 2: like we've talked about. I wonder if they have a

477
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: gut reaction to it.

478
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I've had I've seen it in my career.

479
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 6: I've had several cases where this has happened, and it's

480
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 6: you know what I would love to know, like that

481
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 6: parent would still look out for this child. Even this

482
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 6: was like this was like the cross that that the

483
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 6: Rhiners bore their entire life. Like one thing about Ryan

484
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 6: and the guy's alleged everything he touched turned the gold.

485
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 6: He's funny, you know. He was a successful, powerful guy

486
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 6: and his son appears to have resented him and his

487
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 6: siblings for it.

488
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Speaker 3: M like just a maybe bad egg. Does that happen?

489
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: And you know, but you're right.

490
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: You look at the photographs throughout the and he looks

491
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: a little off, you know now that we're looking at

492
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: through that lens. I feel badly saying this, but he does.

493
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: And what a terrible ending. Thirty two years old.

494
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Speaker 5: But if anybody can do it, it's Alan Jackson. I mean, listen,

495
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 5: by all accounts, looking surface level, Karen Reid. It looked

496
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: like she killed John O'Keefe, right, the car backing up,

497
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 5: the the tail light slashed all that, right, it looked

498
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 5: that way surface level, right, she gota quitted. If anybody

499
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 5: can do something here, it's Alan Jackson. It's just my opinion.

500
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 4: And Alan Jackson I didn't know this until I don't know,

501
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 4: thirty hours ago. But he also defended Kevin Spacey back

502
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen in sexual assault allegations. Those charges were

503
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: dropped due to witness issues. And Alan Jackson also defended

504
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein in twenty twenty two, and that was in

505
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles rape trial. Weinstein ultimately was convicted and

506
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: sentenced to sixteen years. But he's definitely not He's accustomed

507
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 4: to the limelight and.

508
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: He handles it well.

509
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 5: He handles it well, and I think he's I think

510
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 5: he finds cracks right, cracks in the investigation, cracks with prosecutors,

511
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 5: practs with law enforcement, judges, juries, everything he finds.

512
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: I just feel like they're going to rip the victims

513
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: and like go back and try to retail history for

514
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: the parents.

515
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: And you know, I just feel that coming.

516
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: You know, Jared, you mentioned you had also represented other

517
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: people who have murdered parents. Is there a similar theme

518
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: or any takeaway?

519
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 6: Son point two. It's situations where I've had it. I've

520
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 6: prosecuted cases two sons that killed their fathers, two sons. Yeah,

521
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 6: and there were just similar situations drug addicts, strung out

522
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 6: kind of situations where and we've had other cases in

523
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: my office that of patricide cases as well. And it's

524
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: always the same thing. You know, it's the kid that

525
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: can't get off mom's couch. They're not to the level

526
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 6: of the of the rhiners. But at the same time,

527
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 6: it's you know, how many times have your parents made

528
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 6: a call to their friends, can we bring our thirty

529
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 6: two year old child to your Christmas party? Like this

530
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 6: is you know that to like see this? You know

531
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 6: it like it's always that kid and parents underestimate how

532
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 6: violent and how much these kids actually resent and hate them.

533
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 6: That's part of the problem too, It's it's you know,

534
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 6: these kids, the ones I'm talking about. And quite honestly,

535
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 6: Nick Reiner.

536
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: Is it's so true because even if you see some

537
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: of the interviews, and again we're looking at it through

538
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: a certain lens, it looks like dad is, oh my god,

539
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: we got so close after making that movie and it's

540
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: so great and the son's like, yeah, you know, it's

541
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: like there's a level of disdain kind of under the

542
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: surface there, which is such a baseball.

543
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Speaker 9: I like basketball, Give me a break that Jared that Okay,

544
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 9: that stood out And again I agree with Stephanie on

545
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 9: the lens, but yeah, whining about that.

546
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: That his you know, his brother Jake and his father

547
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 4: they could connect on that, but not me because this

548
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: we like different sports behind me And I mean this

549
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: kid he went to this kid Nick Reiner thirty two years.

550
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: Old, he went to Stanford University. Oh did he really?

551
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: He did?

552
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: Really surprised me also, And he went to UC Irvine.

553
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I looked it up because where

554
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: he was found Exposition Park. Stephanie, you were like, oh,

555
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: maybe he went to score drugs. I'm like, did he

556
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: go to USC and potentially know someone? Because it's literally

557
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: right right there.

558
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: Okay, But I.

559
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: Mean he was given and I have to imagine, had

560
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 4: you know, generously paid for unbelievable education and seventeen opportunities

561
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: and all the rest.

562
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: And what was he going to be at much like Luigi.

563
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: Hobby spoiled kids right, like, I would.

564
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Like to interview every one of them today. Luigi, Hey,

565
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: what do you think about the Nick Reiner situation?

566
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: Another young man.

567
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: White guy that has his whole life ahead of him,

568
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: tons of opportunity, loving family, lots of privilege. What do

569
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: you make of that? What went wrong here? I bet

570
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: you they'd all have an opinion on top of it.

571
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure they would. Listen.

572
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: The Nick Reiner case is frankly everywhere. We can't escape it,

573
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: and at the same time, I don't know why I

574
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: can't stop reading anything and everything about it. I feel

575
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: heartbroken for the Rhiner family, and of course like the

576
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: idea that this beautiful couple, who by all accounts were

577
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: together twenty four hours a day, they spent so much

578
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: time together two peas in a pod that one of

579
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: them had to witness the other one being murdered by

580
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: their own son. Is just unfathomable. And it just keeps

581
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: getting worse. So I know we should move on to

582
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: other worst topics, because.

583
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: There's quite a few to get to.

584
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: Well, do you mind if I stay on? There's just

585
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: a couple of quick legal things. While we have Jarrett here,

586
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: Jarrett Farentino, our prosecutor extraordinaire. So this is something I

587
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: couldn't make tops or tails of. So Nick Reiner is

588
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: charged with two counts of first degree murder for allegedly

589
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: murdering his parents. Understood and included is a special allegation

590
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: for using a knife, which is a special circumstance under

591
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: California law. Can you explain the nuts and bolts of

592
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: that please?

593
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 6: Yeah. So that's called in Pennsylvania and on the East Coast,

594
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 6: we call that a deadly weapon enhancement. So you have

595
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 6: a violent client, okay, and you use a knife for example,

596
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 6: that is a separate punishable offense that adds a term

597
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 6: of incarceration on top of the underlying charge. So it's like,

598
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 6: let's say you committed an aggravated assault and you did

599
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 6: it with a knife. You get five years for the

600
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 6: egg assault, and you get another year on top of

601
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Speaker 6: that for the knife. Now it's a separate offense and

602
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 6: separate provable aspect of the case. So you have to

603
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 6: prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. It's an enhancement. They're figuring.

604
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 6: Here's why it exists. Because there's murder and then there's

605
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 6: a knife murder, which is close personal When you use

606
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 6: a knife, it says something about the level of intention

607
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 6: you have. You had to approach the person, you had

608
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 6: to be close enough to touch the person. You had

609
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: to be really intending to bring about a violent end

610
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 6: or risking that. That's why that enhancement exists.

611
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 5: So those enhancements don't exist for like a gun murder.

612
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 6: Well they do. Sometimes they do. Sometimes, Yes, there are

613
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 6: a firearm enhance there's a deadly weapon enhancement. It could

614
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 6: be a gun, for example, there's enhancements on automatic guns.

615
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 6: Am I automatic gun?

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00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Okay?

617
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 6: So really, what it is is when, in the response

618
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 6: to certain types of clients, legislatures say, hey, this was

619
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 6: a particularly bad knifeing or stabbing, we want to enhance

620
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 6: this as a deterrent for people to think twice before

621
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 6: they stab someone. Doesn't have a deterrent effect, I don't know.

622
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 6: It's a good tool for prosecutors though.

623
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Speaker 2: Man, oh man, you've gotta be a real psycho to

624
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: slit your parents' neck.

625
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

626
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: Okay, so we will move off of this topic as

627
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: you suggested, Stephanie, But I think the last words should

628
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: go to the Reiner family. And this is a statement

629
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: that thirty four year old Jake Reiner, the older brother

630
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 4: of the suspect and older brother of Rommy Ryder, made quote.

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Speaker 4: We are grateful for the outpouring of condolences, kindness, and

632
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: support we've received, not only from family and friends, but

633
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: people from all walks of life. We now ask for

634
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: respect and privacy, for speculation to be tempered with compassion

635
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: and humanity, and for our parents to be remembered for

636
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: the incredible lives they lived and the love they gave.

637
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: So that is uh, yeah, here here, let's leave it there.

638
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: This piece, absolutely this is true crime tonight. If you're

639
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: just joining us, we've been talking about the unfolding uh investigations,

640
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: the murders of Rob and Michelle Reiner, and we are

641
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: now going to move on to another topic.

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Speaker 3: Body. Yeah, David, I'm mad at him too. What do

643
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: you gotta say about David.

644
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm mad about it. I'm mad about the incinerator in

645
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: his house.

646
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

647
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: I just do not like it. I think these are

648
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: young people with a lot of opportunity, a lot of

649
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: cash in their pockets, and I hate that this is

650
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: how it's playing out. Yeah, allegedly. Let me just tell

651
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: everybody what was found. So Stephen Fisher, he's the private

652
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: investigator hired by the landlord of Pop Singer murder suspect David,

653
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: revealed that he discovered this unused burn cage okay, And

654
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: this burn cage incinerator was on David's property, was unopened,

655
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: and it's also illegal to use in that area, okay,

656
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: So there's no reason for him to have it, maybe

657
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Speaker 2: unless he's going camping somewhere.

658
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Speaker 5: I don't know. Why would you take a burn in anyway.

659
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 5: So the issue here is that the police never took

660
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 5: that as evidence or anything. They left it on the property,

661
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: which is how Steven Fisher got a hold of it. Amazing,

662
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 5: and that it was shipped to the house in a

663
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: false name. But he's being a somebody signed for it, right,

664
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Speaker 5: So we have questions about the legality and whatnot of

665
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 5: the you know all things, David. Okay, oh wee. So

666
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: we have a DM, right is that right?

667
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: Taha? We have a DM.

668
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 10: Okay, we got a DM from someone.

669
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Speaker 5: I have it, yep, I have it, handy. So the

670
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: DM is on the Celeste Reevas case. This is interesting.

671
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Speaker 5: Why aren't they getting David on simple kidnapping charges.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

673
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 5: He was an adult with the illegal custody of a minor.

674
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Speaker 5: I think custody is the issue here. Okay, he was

675
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Speaker 5: an adult with the illegal custody of a minor, regardless

676
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Speaker 5: of an inappropriate relationship. Can he be held accountable for

677
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Speaker 5: harboring a minor or something like that, then they don't

678
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Speaker 5: have to prove an inappropriate relationship at all. It seems

679
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 5: like there are plenty of cases of parents not returning

680
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: their child their child back to the other parent in

681
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 5: a custody agreement, and they're quickly apprehended for kidnapping. By

682
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Speaker 5: the way, that was from Reagan. Reagan, thank you for

683
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Speaker 5: the DM Jared, what do you think about that?

684
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Speaker 6: So, first of all, her analogy to where custody situation

685
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 6: is great well bought out. But that's a valid court order.

686
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 6: So in violation of a court order, that's a kidnapping again,

687
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 6: just like, look, that's an interesting thing. Technically he could

688
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: be he could have been charged with that if you

689
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Speaker 6: look at the circumstances. But we don't know all the circumstances.

690
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 6: We don't know what she told him, we don't know

691
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Speaker 6: what he knew about her. We could speculate, but to me,

692
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Speaker 6: you're in the same spot on the kidnapping charge or

693
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Speaker 6: close to it as you are, whether or not there

694
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Speaker 6: was an inappropriate relationship between the two. What level of

695
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 6: control was he exercising over her? Was she just coming

696
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 6: over to visit? Were they just coming over to make

697
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 6: videos and rat videos? And I'm not I'm saying that

698
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 6: half tongue in cheek, but there you can't have a

699
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 6: charge without delving into the actual nature of that relationship

700
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 6: and the evidence. Right, So if David isn't talking and

701
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 6: you don't have the text messages and photographs and things

702
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 6: of that nature to back it up, it's a hard

703
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 6: charge to bring.

704
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I think we have not seen David anywhere?

705
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: Has any raised your hand if you've seen a little

706
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: sneaky photo of David at the grocery store. Has anyone

707
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: seen David washing his car or walking his mama through

708
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: the park?

709
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: Has anyone seen David a single photo?

710
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 10: Not a single photo?

711
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: If I, well, Jared, you should speak to this.

712
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: But if I were his make believe counsel, if I

713
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 4: was a pretend lawyer, which I play one in my mind,

714
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: I would advise him absolutely not to be photographed because

715
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: it could be misconstrued. He raised his eye because he

716
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: was about never going to go outside. Was he thinking

717
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: everybody else goes outside?

718
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 10: Well, so this is all over. I wouldn't want to

719
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 10: be seen smiling.

720
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. You still physically typically see somebody. I mean,

721
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: this is a pop star who's a big deal in Hollywood.

722
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: There's paparazzi everywhere.

723
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: TMZ seems to.

724
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: Know everything that's going on in David's trial and all

725
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: the things or non trial. I should say, why have

726
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: we never seen a photo him? He does not ever

727
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: leave his house. There's no way that people don't know

728
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: where he is. TMZ's been tracking him or we're hearing

729
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: all kinds of stories.

730
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: Where's the paparazzi?

731
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anybody really knows where he's at.

732
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Speaker 3: We can find anybody.

733
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: We all saw Nick rightner, and we all can see

734
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: We're all like, ohoh, where's Nick. I could see people

735
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: getting into the courthouse when they arrive. I can see

736
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: people do just about anything in this world. Why have

737
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: we not seen a single photo of him?

738
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: Definitely?

739
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, but yeah, I know she's so spicy

740
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 11: right now, I'm scared to even say anything. But money

741
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 11: that he has, you know, he doesn't have to leave

742
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 11: the house like I mean, I think you know, if

743
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 11: you have enough, like have anything delivered.

744
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 5: I can stay in my house for months, I promise you, Jared,

745
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 5: do you have a thought on that.

746
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 6: Well, if somebody found a body in my front, I

747
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: would not be pictured anywhere. I would be laying pretty low,

748
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: whether my lawyer told me to or not. But yes,

749
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 6: I think if he's being properly advised, they're like, we

750
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 6: don't want you out. What would happen if you went

751
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 6: to a club. Think the case Anthony, she was out clubbing.

752
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 6: Photographs of her that was an exhibit in the trial, right,

753
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 6: So anything could be missed. Anything the guy does. If

754
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 6: he goes to church, they'll say, oh, this is nothing, but.

755
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: He's praying for repenting his sins. Yes, no doubt, I

756
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: get it. No, No, I see that. And I wasn't

757
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: suggesting he should be out and about. I just think

758
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: it's odd that there's been like not a single like

759
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: photograph of him just going to his mailbox or anything.

760
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: Is he a flight risk? Oh that's a good question.

761
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: Is there a reason that we haven't seen David in

762
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: a while, and we can't seem to bring him into custody,

763
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: and that he's a suspect, but no one's getting arrested.

764
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: Ever. Do they know where David is?

765
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Speaker 6: Well, well, here's the thing. He has flight potential. He

766
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 6: has money, he has properties in multi states, he's got

767
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 6: multi cars, probably multi IDs. He's known by a stage name,

768
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 6: not his real name. So there's flight potential. Whether or

769
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 6: not he's a risk, and he's made intimations that he's

770
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: going to take off as another story, but that's part

771
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: of when we discuss why they named him as a suspect,

772
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 6: is part of why that gets done. Maybe they want

773
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Speaker 6: to occasion something.

774
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: You know, Jarret, you.

775
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: Were a prosecute prosecutor for a long time. Have you

776
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 5: ever experienced something in a case where the law enforcement

777
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 5: officials were at odds with the medical examiner.

778
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: In such a public way and.

779
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 6: They are not publicly. I've certainly experienced disagreements where you know,

780
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 6: medical exam they're all very different, like lawyers, like police officers.

781
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 6: They have files, they have fit so yet it's tough,

782
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 6: and that's a tough thing because we need to all

783
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 6: be rowing in the same direction. When you have a

784
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 6: material piece like was this person murdered? Which is the

785
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 6: critical before you even get to who's responsible? How did

786
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 6: it happen is the main question? Right was a crime

787
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 6: committee here? The medical examiner needs to be on the

788
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: same page as the prosecution and if they're at odds,

789
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 6: your case has problem.

790
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 5: I think there's something here. I think, Steph, I think

791
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 5: there's something here with the medical examiner not being able

792
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 5: to talk about what happened to Celeste like they do

793
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 5: in every other case. It's so weird they process, having

794
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 5: them being basically gagged, so to speak, right on releasing

795
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 5: this information, which they, like I said, they typically do

796
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 5: in every other case, and they're at odds with you know,

797
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 5: the LAPD and the prosecutor's office. I think there's something there.

798
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 5: I don't know what, but it's very interesting to me.

799
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: While yesterday we saw with the Rob Reiners son, you know,

800
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: they introduced the entire prosecution's office and the whole team

801
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: lined up. There was like fourteen men in suits that

802
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: were like, and this is the team that's going to

803
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: bring justice to the Los Angeles. Where's David's justice innocent? Also,

804
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: you know that too, if you leave it and I'm innocent.

805
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys are wrecking my life right now.

806
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: My world tour has been canceled. My family can't leave

807
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: the house. I'm suddenly in hiding. I can't even go

808
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: to the to the millbox without some dope on a

809
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: radio show yelling about it. You know, so you know

810
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: what can I that would also be maddening. And by

811
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Speaker 2: the way, if he loved Celeste revs Hernandez, why isn't

812
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: he like screaming that there's a killer at the on

813
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: the loose and that we have to find the person

814
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: and somebody that I do so well in love.

815
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Speaker 10: I think you're answering sort of your.

816
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: Own I think you're answering your own question.

817
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 11: And like, how suspicious is it there's an incinerator.

818
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 5: In this guy's house, Jared, are you surprised that law

819
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: enforcement didn't take that?

820
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna answer for you.

821
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Speaker 6: I would ask, I would say, open unopened tator, like

822
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 6: why does he have it? I'd be asking other people

823
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 6: that live there what is or when? I would just

824
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 6: want to run that down. I want to know what's

825
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 6: going on here.

826
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: You know, let's just play that game for a second.

827
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: What could be the use for the incinerator, my brain goes.

828
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: To plastic trash or it.

829
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: We'd be there like very anti trash, possibly burning leaves burning.

830
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 2: There's there's like literally no leaves ever in the Hollywood Hills.

831
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 11: There there some of his past videos they do have

832
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 11: a dark tone, like there is something apocalystic, but that

833
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 11: would have.

834
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 5: Been sent to the production house right with it would

835
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 5: have been sent to his residence.

836
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Speaker 6: Anyway they are.

837
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Speaker 5: It's illegal.

838
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: It's a total fire hazard. Don't get me started on

839
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 2: David for the fire hazard he may have just caused.

840
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: Also add that to the list of things I'm annoyed about.

841
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: But like, there's an incinerator in a box in the

842
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: guy's garage, and that's like new information that the private.

843
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: And the cops didn't.

844
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, the private investigator, Stephen Fisher, finds us incinerator basically

845
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: with the decomposing body of a fourteen year old girl

846
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 5: in his trunk, and they don't take it. I think

847
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 5: that's very interesting. Yes, And I don't know if it's

848
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 5: incompetence or.

849
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: If it's there's something fishy.

850
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: Covering something up or I don't know what it is.

851
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 5: But at the at the very at the if I'm

852
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: being kind, it's incompetence.

853
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I lean that direction.

854
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: It's very curious.

855
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: Well, me is wearing the cutest little ski hat right now, as.

856
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: Hopped up as I feel, she.

857
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: Is like smiles for miles and like this cute little

858
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: like this little hat that is so adorable.

859
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: Can really take it.

860
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much for that. Stick around, because

861
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Speaker 4: coming up at the top of the hour, a turn

862
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Speaker 4: it geez, Louise, excuse me, Attorney Jared Farrantino is sticking around.

863
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Speaker 4: We're going to be unpacking how prosecutors are moving to

864
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Speaker 4: block key statements in the Luigi man g Owned case.

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Speaker 4: That more True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph and I'm here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney and Body and of course Jarrett Farantino, our

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Speaker 2: most favorite prosecutor. We have him on borrow times, so

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Speaker 2: as much as we just want to ask him a

871
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Speaker 2: bajillion questions, one more segment with Jared, So we're going

872
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Speaker 2: to fast talk to get it all in. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to we talk back right now.

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Speaker 7: Hi, this is Andrea calling from Indiana. I had a

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Speaker 7: question about the Brian Wals case. If the defense just

876
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Speaker 7: rested when it was their turn, does that make it

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Speaker 7: easier for Brian Walsh to call for an ineffective council

878
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Speaker 7: later on if he is convicted?

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Speaker 3: Is such a good question.

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Speaker 5: So in Massachusetts there's an automatic appeal. Let's set this up.

881
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Speaker 5: So in Massachusetts there's an automatic appeal on first agree

882
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Speaker 5: murder convictions. However, because the defense didn't present any case,

883
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Speaker 5: is it maybe a good idea for Brian Walls to

884
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Speaker 5: raise an effective assistance of counsel upon appeal?

885
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Speaker 6: Well, certainly, it doesn't look great that they didn't put

886
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Speaker 6: on a defense. It's here's the thing they put on.

887
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Speaker 6: They did actually put on a defense. They just did

888
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Speaker 6: it through the prosecution's case. Their position was she died

889
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Speaker 6: of this natural condition, right, sudden depth syndrome, right, or

890
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Speaker 6: whatever it was. They could not get an expert to

891
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Speaker 6: support that conclusion or that that is likely what happened.

892
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Speaker 6: In my opinion, this is what I'm speculating. They couldn't

893
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Speaker 6: get an expert to back that claim. When you can't

894
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Speaker 6: get an expert, you can't manufacture one. You can't put

895
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Speaker 6: somebody on that's not going to back you. So there's

896
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Speaker 6: a strategic decision slip it in on the case in

897
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Speaker 6: chief if we don't have an expert. When Brian Walsh

898
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Speaker 6: inevitably sues his lawyers or files that appeal, they're going

899
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Speaker 6: to say, hey, we contacted five doctors. Nobody would support

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Speaker 6: what we were saying. It was a strategy. We're not

901
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Speaker 6: going to put on a doctor to say something that

902
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Speaker 6: wasn't true. We simply got it in and cross examination

903
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Speaker 6: and that's how we did it. So that is a

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Speaker 6: strategy which is an allowable exception to put forth to

905
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Speaker 6: defense and they say nothing, Well, I never defended anybody

906
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Speaker 6: in that in that situation. So I've had cases where

907
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Speaker 6: it's a strategy where they're like, we got our shots

908
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Speaker 6: in and the case in chief, so we're just going

909
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Speaker 6: to rest in our defense. And I've seen it work

910
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Speaker 6: for people they created enough doubt. Remember, defense doesn't have

911
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Speaker 6: to prove anything. It's always on the prosecution the burden, right,

912
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Speaker 6: and sometimes it's effective.

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Speaker 3: And that's what did he did, right, isn't that what

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Speaker 3: he did? Also, he.

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Speaker 6: Pretty much he agreed with ninety percent of the prosecution's case,

916
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Speaker 6: which is effective, and said, by the way, all this

917
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Speaker 6: is true, I'm a pretty bad guy. But they all

918
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Speaker 6: consented to.

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Speaker 2: It, right like that was pretty genius. After all I

920
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Speaker 2: said and done. The guy got fifty months.

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Speaker 3: We don't get me started. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Brian Walsh was convicted on Monday a first degree murder

923
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Speaker 5: of his beautiful wife on A Walsh. He's expected to

924
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Speaker 5: be sentenced to life without the possibility of role tomorrow

925
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Speaker 5: after being convicted. Anna Walsh, his wife, was thirty nine

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Speaker 5: years old, and she was reported missing on January first

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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty three after Brian Walsh said she left

928
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Speaker 5: their Massachusetts home on a work related trip. Anna Walsh's

929
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Speaker 5: body was never found, but prosecutors built a case based

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Speaker 5: around the circumstantial and digital evidence leaking linking Brian Walsh

931
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Speaker 5: to her death. Brian Walsh also pled guilty before the

932
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Speaker 5: trial even began, to dismembering a victim on A Walsh's body,

933
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Speaker 5: misleading investigators, and disposing of her body. So that's the

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Speaker 5: case we're talking about right now. And because he was

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Speaker 5: convicted of first degree murder. In Massachusetts, the commonwealth has

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Speaker 5: a provision that any you know, cases that you're convicted

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Speaker 5: of in the first degree murder get an automatic appeal

938
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Speaker 5: to their superior courts. So we're just kind of we

939
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Speaker 5: were just kind of trying to spitball things that they

940
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Speaker 5: could bring up. Now it's interesting in Massachusetts, it's not

941
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Speaker 5: necessarily they don't have to just look at technical errors,

942
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Speaker 5: you know, like that happened during the trial. They can

943
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Speaker 5: bring up on appeal. They can bring up even like fairness,

944
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Speaker 5: which is I think why that talkback was so like

945
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Speaker 5: timely and great because you know, they didn't really present

946
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Speaker 5: a defense. But to your point, Jarrett, they kind of

947
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Speaker 5: did through cross right. They tried to basically undermine witness

948
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Speaker 5: testimony and undermine expert witnesses that the state, well the

949
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Speaker 5: Commonwealth presented, and I think they did a good job,

950
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Speaker 5: but I was surprised there was no defense at all.

951
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Speaker 5: It was very interesting, I think, very interesting. So we'll

952
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Speaker 5: see what happens tomorrow, but we do expect that he's

953
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Speaker 5: going to get life without the possibility to parole. Can

954
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Speaker 5: you explain the automatic appeal process, like do you know

955
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Speaker 5: anything about that, like how that works in Massachusetts?

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, these cases go on appill whether

957
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Speaker 6: it was automatic or not. So what they're saying, of course,

958
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Speaker 6: when you went through our system. We're so there's two

959
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Speaker 6: ways you can look at this. It's another right granted

960
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Speaker 6: to defendants to protect them and ensure that the trial

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00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 6: courts are operating with integrity. Right, So your life first

962
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 6: to be murder is life without the facility of parole. Yes, absolutely,

963
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Speaker 6: So they're saying we are we are a check on

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Speaker 6: the trial system. We are going to review every case

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Speaker 6: and decision you make. Remember that judges are not infallible

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Speaker 6: and they're not all powerful. They have to know in

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Speaker 6: a first to be murder case, Hey, two to ten

968
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Speaker 6: months from now, a judge on the next level is

969
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Speaker 6: going to be reviewing a panel of judges is going

970
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Speaker 6: to be reviewing this very decision. I'm not an island.

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Speaker 6: I have to follow the law here. So that is

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Speaker 6: a check, which I think is a great way of

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Speaker 6: putting it.

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Speaker 2: This guy's got a lot of nerve because now Anna's

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Speaker 2: family and his beautiful children, who he schlept all the

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00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: way to Low's to buy a hack saw so that

977
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: he could hack up their mom is going to like

978
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: be behind bars in for the holidays, hopefully for the

979
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Speaker 2: rest of his life.

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Speaker 3: And these kids have to now face the music in.

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Speaker 2: Their own horrible little little way right now, you know

982
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Speaker 2: it's Christmas. They're missing their mom. Now dad's going to

983
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: be away, and they know now he's he's a murderer.

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Speaker 3: It's just awful, it is. It's terrible.

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Speaker 5: I mean I feel bad, you know, honest, family lives

986
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Speaker 5: in a different country.

987
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not even having access to the kids.

988
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 6: Necessarily, go back to the Rhiner case. But this is

989
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 6: one of those seces where your victim's family and your

990
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: defendant family are one and the same. They're the topic

991
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 6: cases because you want justice and nobody knows where to

992
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 6: sit in the courtroom, whether or not they want to

993
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 6: like the prosecutor, they don't know what's going you know,

994
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Speaker 6: it's tough, and it happens far too often.

995
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Speaker 5: This is your friend tonight on IHEARTRAO, where we're talking

996
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 5: true crime all the time. We were just now discussing

997
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Speaker 5: the Brian Walsh conviction. He's expected to be sentenced to

998
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Speaker 5: life tomorrow. We will definitely keep you updated on that.

999
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Speaker 5: But now we want to switch gears a little bit

1000
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Speaker 5: and talk about Luigi.

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Speaker 3: Jared quarantine. We've got questions for you.

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00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 4: Okay, So the Manhattan District Attorney is excluding statements that

1003
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Speaker 4: Luigi Mangio made while he was secretly recorded in Pennsylvania.

1004
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: This happened after his arrest and ongoing is a pre

1005
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Speaker 4: child hearing that goes on to determine whether other key

1006
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Speaker 4: evidence will be admitted in the trial for them murder

1007
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Speaker 4: of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, twenty seven year old

1008
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Speaker 4: man Gione, of course, is accused of killing Brian Thompson

1009
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Speaker 4: on a Manhattan sidewalk just a year ago, and everything

1010
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Speaker 4: that took place after his arrest five days after the

1011
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Speaker 4: murder in Altuna, Pennsylvania, seems to really be coming in

1012
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 4: the crosshairs at least of the defense teams.

1013
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what is your thoughts on this?

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 6: So on the recordings in Pennsylvania, which where I live,

1015
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Speaker 6: in practice is a two party consent system for recording.

1016
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 6: So essentially, if you don't tell someone they're being recorded, okay,

1017
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Speaker 6: it's a Wiretap Act violation and that recording cannot be used.

1018
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 6: So one part of the claim in Luigi cases he

1019
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Speaker 6: unbeknownst to him there was a recording that continued after

1020
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 6: a conversation he had with investigators, So that recording if

1021
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 6: he was truly unaware and was not apprized of that fact.

1022
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Speaker 6: The DA is voluntarily removing that. Now here's why that

1023
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 6: you're saying, we're in Manhattan. Who cares about what Pennsylvania says?

1024
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Speaker 6: Pennsylvania law applies because they were in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: I feel mad about this too. Doesn't it matter what

1026
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Speaker 2: was said on the tape at all? I get the

1027
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Speaker 2: two party state, and I know we're all very respectful

1028
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Speaker 2: of that. I do you understand it? But again, like

1029
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Speaker 2: sort of like a technicality, Yeah, but the technicalities matter.

1030
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Speaker 6: I mean, it doesn't matter because if it was secured

1031
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Speaker 6: in violation of his constitutional rights, it'll never be heard

1032
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Speaker 6: when assessing the merits of the case. So you know,

1033
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Speaker 6: it matters in that somebody heard it and they move

1034
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Speaker 6: forward in the case, but it's not going to matter

1035
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Speaker 6: in what's put forth in establishing Luigi Manngioni's guilt.

1036
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Speaker 4: So just one more thing on this topic, and this

1037
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Speaker 4: is all. During the pre trial hearing, NYPD Lieutenant David

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Speaker 4: Leonardi admitted that he didn't know whether recording someone in

1039
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Speaker 4: Pennsylvania without consent was legal, and that he acted while

1040
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Speaker 4: he was being guided by legal counsel. So there is that,

1041
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Speaker 4: and then all the information we could find was that

1042
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Speaker 4: while Mangion, the accused, was at the station house, he

1043
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Speaker 4: requested an attorney. Investigators left the room, but the video

1044
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Speaker 4: and audio recording continued.

1045
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Speaker 2: So isn't there a presumed level that you're being like

1046
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Speaker 2: recorded at that point? If I see a camera, yes,

1047
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Speaker 2: a ring sign, I'm like, oh, I might be on camera.

1048
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Speaker 6: If you see a camera, yes, there's a presumption. You

1049
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Speaker 6: could say it's open and notorious that recording. You can't

1050
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Speaker 6: say you didn't. But here's the second fact that Courtney added,

1051
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 6: which is something we wanted to get into, was he

1052
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Speaker 6: invoked his right to counsel. So now you're dealing with

1053
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Speaker 6: two constitutional protections. You got this wiretap right not to

1054
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Speaker 6: be recorded and this paramount right to counsel. One. When

1055
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Speaker 6: when a defendant invokes the right to counsel and they're

1056
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Speaker 6: in custody, which they admit he was in custody at

1057
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Speaker 6: that point, the questioning stops, the recording stops. Any statement

1058
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Speaker 6: said after that while waiting to secure counsel and not

1059
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Speaker 6: retracting that request off the table.

1060
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Speaker 2: So if he said I'm a murderer, I killed this guy,

1061
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Speaker 2: I hate insurance.

1062
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Speaker 3: During this little time period of course no, because it's

1063
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Speaker 3: a conversation with Moyer.

1064
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Speaker 6: It's off the table. Well, it was before his lawyer

1065
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Speaker 6: was even president, it's after he and right after he.

1066
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Speaker 2: Right, everything go to a city station though, and doesn't

1067
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Speaker 2: assume that they're being recorded to some degree. I don't

1068
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Speaker 2: actually know the answer to this, but if I were

1069
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Speaker 2: in an interrogation room, I was.

1070
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Speaker 5: Very spicy.

1071
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Speaker 2: There's probably a two way mirror, and there's have you

1072
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Speaker 2: not seen enough movies to know that there's like somebody

1073
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: listening behind that glass.

1074
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Speaker 6: There's a two way mirror. I can tell you that

1075
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Speaker 6: I've been on the other side of that mirror far

1076
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 6: too many times. There's definitely a two way mirror. But

1077
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Speaker 6: they're not always recording, that's one thing. But like you said,

1078
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 6: you made it a good point. If there's a camera there,

1079
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Speaker 6: you can't and the red light is on recording luck

1080
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Speaker 6: trying to get that right right, How.

1081
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Speaker 10: Does police body cam fall into that category?

1082
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1083
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 6: Good question. Imp that is, Now, that is an open

1084
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 6: and notorious recording and it's out in the public. Everybody

1085
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 6: there's it's almost well, it is an exception. They're law enforcement,

1086
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 6: they're allowed to use it in that context. But again, again,

1087
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 6: it's this they're inside there. Whether or not he was

1088
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 6: apprized of a recording is what could create an issue

1089
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 6: on this case. But the bigger issue is his invocation

1090
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 6: to count of counter point, not just the recording, because

1091
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 6: on the recording on a law could probably get in.

1092
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 6: I would argue, clearly, it was obvious, clearly he was

1093
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 6: performing for the camera, he knew he was being recorded,

1094
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 6: and I've had challenges like that, but the council one

1095
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 6: is really what stops.

1096
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 3: I want to see that recording.

1097
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: So, like, I know, you would be so good in

1098
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: these situations, Like if body was doing the interrogation of

1099
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: somebody and there was like in Jarrett and Courtney were

1100
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: behind the two way mirror. She was like, and I

1101
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: offer you a cigarette, and she's like, tell me about

1102
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: that night. The guy would be like instantly, instantly, there

1103
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: were two seconds. They would lie too nice exactly, and

1104
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: that's why they start spilling it.

1105
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 6: In the mirror, texting the investigators like.

1106
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 3: She's like, smooth operator, right, right.

1107
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 4: Do any of the rulings that are made here apply

1108
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 4: to the federal trial or does everything start dead fresh?

1109
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 6: They can, so the rules that apply, you're basically balancing

1110
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 6: the same right. So it's very unlikely you would have

1111
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 6: a ruling that goes against Luigi. That won't really play

1112
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 6: out that way in the federal court. In fact, that's

1113
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 6: a really good question because the Pennsylvania Constitution with the

1114
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 6: Fourth Amendment, provides an even greater protection in the United

1115
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 6: States constitutions. To sound like a real, real constitutional nerd,

1116
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 6: I can't believe we're talking about the Constitution and this

1117
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 6: in depth.

1118
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 3: I love it.

1119
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 5: No, I love it.

1120
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 6: It stands up in PA. It'll be fine in the

1121
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 6: federal system.

1122
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 5: Really, I didn't know that it's more strict vision. Yes, okay, interesting,

1123
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 5: So yeah, we'll have to see what happens. So the

1124
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 5: judge is thinking it's going to end tomorrow.

1125
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1126
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 5: That this evident you're hearing is going to end tomorrow?

1127
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: So basically this EVIDENTI you're hearing is basically preparing for

1128
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 5: the trial and basically saying this is all the evidence

1129
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 5: is going to be admitted?

1130
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: Is that correct? That's what the cities not admitted or

1131
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 3: not admitted in this case.

1132
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: Right, Like, there's no there's no manifesto, there's no confession, just.

1133
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: A guy with a hash Browns.

1134
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: Really see MANGIONI is gonna be at McDonald's eating a

1135
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: hash brown sooner than we think.

1136
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 5: It's gonna be the Luigi Big Maxoon.

1137
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, my gosh, well, Jared, I think this is the

1138
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 4: last time of this calendar year that we will be

1139
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 4: graced with your presence. And I think we all thank

1140
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: you for elevating the discourse every time you're here and

1141
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: giving us so much information, so sincereous, thanks.

1142
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 6: Thank you questions, and I learn here by the way,

1143
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 6: I learn more from all of you.

1144
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: Jarrett, which one of us is your favorite answer Stephanie's

1145
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: favorite quession?

1146
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: Listen?

1147
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 4: If you want to find more of Jarrett and he doesn't,

1148
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 4: you can find him on Instagram. He is at Jarrett

1149
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: Farentino and you can also preorder his upcoming book on Amazon,

1150
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 4: Mother's Murders Motivations.

1151
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: We Love you, have a great holiday. Welcome back to

1152
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all

1153
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: the time. Steph here with Courtney and Body and these

1154
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: little nuggets have just been dancing the little hearts out,

1155
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: and I've got a smile on my face, So yes,

1156
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: should we go to a quick talk back?

1157
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 12: Hi, ladies, about the p Diddy case on Netflix. There

1158
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 12: was so much stuff on there. I didn't know. He's

1159
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 12: a bit of a worm, isn't He sort of got

1160
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 12: rid of all the competition, not because he's so good,

1161
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 12: but everyone seemed to have mysteriously died.

1162
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 10: What I thought was.

1163
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 12: Strange was how they mentioned kim Porter but didn't talk

1164
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 12: about her death unless I missed it, And that his

1165
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 12: son was there a lot. What a weird relationship to

1166
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 12: have with your son.

1167
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: Oh huh understatement, isn't that the truth in a worm?

1168
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: Yes, he is a little worm. That is so well said.

1169
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: We've all talked about Australia. Relationship was strange.

1170
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't seem very appropriate that even in

1171
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: the footage that we saw that was you know, by

1172
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: the documentary filmmaker that was there in the days prior

1173
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: to his arrest in the hotel room. I even thought

1174
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: it was strange that the sun was just like laying

1175
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: on the couch and like so in the mix on that.

1176
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: Just as a parent, you think you would want to

1177
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: protect your your your sons from even having exposure to

1178
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: all this gross information.

1179
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 4: I don't think our man Diddy had a comfortable relationship

1180
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 4: with boundaries because I never do those.

1181
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 5: Kinds of things in front of my mom, Like like

1182
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 5: that crosses me out. Like even like a sex scene

1183
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 5: on TV, I'd be like, oh, my mom's in the room,

1184
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, At least to this day,

1185
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 5: I feel like.

1186
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: No.

1187
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1188
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 11: Meanwhile, I'm sure the Sun's heard about everything that was

1189
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 11: happening at the you know, the wild parties that and

1190
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 11: there was like baby oil in that hotel room.

1191
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 10: Still I know, like expired.

1192
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 5: Were they doing a freak off in that in that

1193
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 5: hotel rooms? If he's listening, he needs to know that's

1194
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 5: not normal. It's just relationship that you had with your

1195
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 5: father is not normal. You've been groomed or something.

1196
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 3: Dude like Well, and we'll see how the civil suits.

1197
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 4: But I remember one we dug into in real detail,

1198
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: and I mean it was by the absolute playbook of

1199
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 4: what was presented by the prosecution in Dinny's federal case

1200
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 4: is what Justin is accused to every detail.

1201
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: So that's so true. Yeah, it is so true.

1202
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: I Mean they squarely blame real things on Justin Colmes

1203
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: in this documentary. And even for mom Janis Colmbs. I've

1204
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: always been so curious about her, and you know, she

1205
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: did come out publicly to say like that wasn't true.

1206
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: You never hit me.

1207
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm like Janice, miss Janis, and I say this respectfully.

1208
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: If that is your biggest correction out of all the

1209
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: allegations in this documentary about your son, there's plenty.

1210
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: I didn't he didn't murder anybody. He didn't do that.

1211
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: But like she came guns of blazing that you know

1212
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: it was true that he put a hand to her.

1213
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1214
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: It just seems like a big fat mess. And what

1215
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: about kim Porter in the kim Porter don't get we started?

1216
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: Well, I have a thought.

1217
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 4: I have a thought on that go because I had

1218
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: the same inquiry as you did. Talkbacker from Australia and

1219
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 4: who knows, but perhaps the Diddy and the rest of

1220
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: the crew producing this were swede that kim Porter's children

1221
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 4: have come out multiple times and strongly and just said

1222
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 4: please stop with the questions. It was elaborate, it was

1223
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: well said, but that was the.

1224
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 5: Oh I didn't realize that they had done that.

1225
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was so in a case, you don't know

1226
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: the scuttle butt around this. To quote the great body move,

1227
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 2: then it is basically that kim Port, who you know

1228
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: as you saw in the documentary, was married to Ditty,

1229
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: et cetera. And she died of pneumonia, and apparently, according

1230
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: to her family, had some sort of an underlying health

1231
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: condition and that therefore was not unusual. What is unusual

1232
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: was always kind of being like scratched at from theorists.

1233
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: Was that a you know, it was a very unexpected death,

1234
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: and there didn't seem to.

1235
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: Be any illness leading up to it.

1236
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: By all accounts, she was fairly healthy and living a

1237
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: very vibrant life with young children. Two, it's always been

1238
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: suspicious or odd I should say that Corey, who is

1239
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: Chris Jenner's boyfriend or ex boyfriend something, why was he there?

1240
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: And that the same coroner was also the same coroner

1241
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: who also had the same pneumonia diagnosis as to cause

1242
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: of death in multiple other cases. Brittany Murphy comes up

1243
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: quite a bit like there just seem to be like

1244
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: a lot of pneumonia in the mix. Yeah, So that's

1245
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: kind of where the conspiracy theories lie. And there was

1246
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 2: also the accusation that Kim was writing a book.

1247
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 3: We don't know if this part is true.

1248
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm so curious if anybody does that she was writing

1249
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: a bit of a tell all about her experience. I mean,

1250
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 2: you watch it, You're like, wow, she just cross paths

1251
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: with Cassie on camera. We see it happening, like the

1252
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: level of disregard that he had for this beautiful woman

1253
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: who bared his children.

1254
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 3: He has his girlfriend already right in the mix.

1255
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: You know, we see them literally crossing paths at the

1256
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: same photo shoot.

1257
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 3: You know that had to be hard.

1258
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 2: So the speculation is that, you know, she was she

1259
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: was taken out because she was maybe going to reveal

1260
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: too much. I don't know, you know, it really got

1261
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: glossed over in the documentary, and there's a lot of people.

1262
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 3: That talk about it.

1263
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1264
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 5: I got the impression from Albie Sure though, that he

1265
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 5: kind of was sus of us.

1266
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 3: He comes straight out and says that he killed him.

1267
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that is his working theory from Jump Street

1268
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 2: is Albi Shore, who is also Kimporter's ex. You've seen

1269
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: him in the dock. Did he allegedly stole Kimporter from

1270
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 2: al be Sure? Albi Sure squarely says did. He is

1271
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: responsible for her death right, and then allegedly there was

1272
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: two like coroner's reports, like the cause of death change

1273
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: from the scene to the actual.

1274
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 3: Where do you go when you take a body?

1275
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 2: More amazing the morgue exactly. I'm sure we could find

1276
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: that out.

1277
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: Let's put body, move it on it, let's get we task.

1278
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: So that's that's one thing that was glossed over.

1279
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: And then also the the KK Christina Korum, who was

1280
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: his right hands and we saw her a little bit

1281
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: at a table kind of at the very end of

1282
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 2: the documentary and she really stayed out of the trial altogether,

1283
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 2: but so much has been said and written about her

1284
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 2: involvement in Diddy world. He was basically her chief of

1285
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: staff and likely had a lot of access to all

1286
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 2: of these scary things. And is that just because either

1287
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: fifty cent is setting the stage for part two and

1288
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 2: some of these murders will be looked into deeper potentially

1289
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: kim porter, and is KK just going to be the

1290
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: front man for all of these civil lawsuits that are pending.

1291
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1292
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1293
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 5: This is true crime tonight, and I heart Rader. We're

1294
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 5: talking true crime all the time. We're talking about Diddy.

1295
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 5: Because our wonderful listener from Australia left the amazing talkback

1296
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 5: and now we've just kind of gone off on a tangent.

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Speaker 5: Since we're already on this tangents, Tony, let's talk about

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Speaker 5: Gallane ky Lane.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that's the question. It's an evolving story.

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: We don't know all of the information we had. You know,

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: mentioned this a couple of weeks ago because I had

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: read from her counsel, which is interesting because it doesn't

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01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 2: appear that she even has counsel at this point, but

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: that she was in fact going to open a request

1305
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: to have her sentence vacated. And she believes that there

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: is new important information that has been revealed that makes

1307
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 2: it very obvious that she had an unfair trial, right, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 5: She's saying that exculpatory evidence was withheld at her trial,

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 5: which is a pretty that's a in my you know,

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 5: I would I wish share it was here. But that's

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 5: a pretty strong accusation to make. It's a Brady violation.

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Speaker 3: That's there's no way he's asleep yet.

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Speaker 5: You know, she's she filed a hapeus corpus petition. She's

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Speaker 5: representing herself. She's pro se in Manhattan Federal Court, claiming

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01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 5: that substantial new evidence we don't know what the evidence is.

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 5: You know, it shows her trial was unfair and constitutionally flawed.

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Speaker 5: And you know, she's asking the court to actually argues

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Speaker 5: that this information that has emerged, She's saying there's new information,

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 5: you know, and that it emerged since her appeals were

1320
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 5: exhausted in you know, it's including her any evidence from

1321
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 5: litigation against the FBI financial institutions, Epstein's estate, as well

1322
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 5: as sworn depositions, released records. She claims, you know, the

1323
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 5: exculpatory evidence was withheld, a false testimony was presented, material

1324
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Speaker 5: facts were misrepresented to the jury. She alleges multiple constitutional violations,

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Speaker 5: including juror misconduct and government suppression of evidence, and said

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 5: that these undermines the fairness of her original trial.

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01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: And this she's all doing from the Comfy library that

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01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: she has access to twenty four hours a day, which and.

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01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 5: That's why when I saw this, I freaked out.

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01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: You freaked out, and then it freaked me out because

1331
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, you guys were so right,

1332
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 2: And I guess this is what I'm so mad about,

1333
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: Not that you guys were right. You're always right. I

1334
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: guess that's the truth. You're always right. But That's not

1335
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: why I'm mad. I'm just mad because I feel a

1336
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: little plate you know, I fell for it yet again, like.

1337
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 3: Here we were, Oh, Friday's the big day. Friday's the

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01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: big days, so it felt like could still happened.

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01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to happen, you know what I call

1340
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: I even I know it's not going to happen now, which.

1341
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 3: Breaks my heart because I really do believe.

1342
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: In it, in transparency and when someone says they're going

1343
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: to do something, that they do it. And it's not

1344
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 2: just this pretend, this pretend little high school play called

1345
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: oh let's just keep moving around those Epsteine files. It's

1346
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: like absurd at this point, and.

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 3: There are victims that do you really need answers?

1348
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 5: Do you think, well, damn a Gina retired. Well, basically

1349
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 5: he announces he's leaving the FBI. Do you think that

1350
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 5: has anything to do with this? Yes, I do.

1351
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 3: I do.

1352
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: And I'm so confused by Dan Bengino. And again, I'm

1353
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 2: not a political person. So if we want to like

1354
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: talk about politics, I'm happy to. But it's mostly because

1355
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm not the most informed, but I really want to

1356
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: be and I care so much about this country and

1357
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 2: I find myself right smack in the middle. It's no

1358
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: really unclear who to listen to and who to believe in.

1359
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 2: And it's such a bummer when you just feel like

1360
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: you're being all the time, no matter which.

1361
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 3: Side do you look at.

1362
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: Where's Marjorie Taylor like screaming from the rooftops to help

1363
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 2: with this? Right now, Dan Bongino, you were gonna make

1364
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: all these big, big things happen. And you know I

1365
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: was listening to him on podcasts and things, yeap, but

1366
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,440
Speaker 2: about how the.

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: Transparency of these files is everything.

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: And I mean that was his thing, that the impossibility

1369
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: that he's retiring in protest of this.

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01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 5: Like here's the thing. We don't know that the files

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 5: aren't going to be released. It's it's being speculated that

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01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 5: because this petition happened, that it could halt certain releases

1373
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 5: of the files, which is true, which is what I

1374
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 5: said a month ago, right like something's going to happen.

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 5: You know, they're investigating Bill Clinton, open investigations are going

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 5: to halt the release and it's you know, anyway, the

1377
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 5: thing that I can't get out of my head is

1378
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 5: Gallainne Maxwell sitting in this comfy prison and she got

1379
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 5: that comfy prison for a reason.

1380
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 3: Is this the whole deal?

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01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 10: Hey?

1382
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: And then two days before we're going to promise the

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 2: whole country. We're going to release all the files.

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01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sign it.

1385
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, get the cameras rolling, of course, you know

1386
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: America first. And then we'll have Glaine. She's gonna come

1387
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: in the eleventh hour. You don't even need a lawyer, Gaylaane, because.

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01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 4: Well you have the warden to help you after hours

1389
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 4: with your But the warden went.

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: To Yale probably law school, and we're just going to

1391
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 2: pretend he's the warden and this.

1392
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: Is all going to be great.

1393
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: It's like I feel like I'm in a bad upside

1394
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: down movie. I'm like, oh, welcome to the hotel called

1395
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: upside Down House.

1396
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 3: Here's your key.

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: Welcome, stay forever. And nothing seems like it makes sense

1398
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: right now. And it's like all of these ah, all

1399
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: of these murdering men all night, Make them stop, make

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: them stop, all these privileged murdering men on top of it, which, boy,

1401
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 2: does it just show you that money can't buy happiness

1402
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: or grace or class or success or growth, you know,

1403
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: for anyone who was just wishing for more and more

1404
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: and more under the Christmas tree, and I wish I

1405
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 2: had a big this, and I wish I had the fancy.

1406
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 2: Is that careful what you wish for? Chances are you

1407
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: have a much healthier, happier, cozier life.

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01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: And sometimes simple is good. That's true, Tangent.

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01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 5: Sorry, Well, one of my New Year's resolutions is to simplify,

1410
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 5: oh you know, and not consume as much same like

1411
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 5: the consumer. Does that make sense?

1412
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 5: I mean I think the fires taught me that item

1414
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 5: oh items.

1415
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was.

1416
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: Like maybe heading down a boogier path and getting ahead

1417
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 2: of my skis. And I'm not saying that that's why

1418
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: the fires happened in my world specifically, but as I now,

1419
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 2: I love my home goods and did you know it's

1420
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: like if it's not on sale, I don't want to

1421
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: see it. You know, my mindset has gone back so

1422
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: deeply to a different place, and it's so true.

1423
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 3: Simple is better. We don't need all this nonsense.

1424
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 5: And you know, who knows if you get that golden toilet,

1425
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 5: you might end up in these files.

1426
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they just.

1427
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: Need four hundred million dollar dollars spent on a dance floor.

1428
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: That makes total sense. Tell that to everybody who can't

1429
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 2: buy eggs. You know, it's like bumming me out. Just

1430
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: when I think I feel good about it, then I

1431
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: end up.

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01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 5: Don't get too bumped yet. We might we might be

1433
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 5: be you know, getting ahead of ourselves. There's no you know,

1434
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 5: there's no guarantee that this is going to be an issue.

1435
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 5: This is what it's being reported by ABC News that

1436
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 5: this could halt the release of certain information. And then

1437
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 5: when you consider Gilling got the sweet deal at this

1438
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 5: you know, five star resort, a ka prison. She's in

1439
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 5: quote unquote with the butler who's also the warden, you know,

1440
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 5: carries her umbrella for her. You know, like that's it

1441
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 5: just it just adds up, right. It's all speculated, though,

1442
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 5: like we don't know for sure.

1443
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: Can we ask Elane why the dentists share? Can you

1444
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: at least explain any questions? Describe what the hell is? Yeah,

1445
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: what's up with those masks? Why did you have that glove?

1446
01:17:59,439 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 6: Like?

1447
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the glove?

1448
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 5: Please move exactly, and there.

1449
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 3: Are the victims going to show up.

1450
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 2: I actually text texted Lisa Bryan during the break. It's

1451
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: probably very late at her house, but you know, she

1452
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 2: was the director of Filthy Rich the documentary, And I'm curious,

1453
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: are the are the victims going to make a big

1454
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: showing on Friday and Friday if in fact something doesn't

1455
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 2: go down as expected? Is there suddenly going to be

1456
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 2: a big event sometime between then and now?

1457
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 5: Because TikTok, tick talk, Well, coming up, TikTok, We're done,

1458
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 5: coming up, turning it over to you Boom. Your talk

1459
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,719
Speaker 5: backs are next, keep you right there, Crime Tonight.

1460
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1461
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Stefph here with Courtney and

1462
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: Body and let's go to a.

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 13: Talk bout Hi, everybody. It's Deanna from Georgia. I'm listening

1464
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 13: to last night's podcast and I feel like I need

1465
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 13: to give you all a big hug on this Anna

1466
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 13: Kepner story. And I just wanted to point out if

1467
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 13: she was in contact with her mom's sister, Surely her

1468
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 13: mom's sister told her at some point that she was

1469
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 13: trying to contact her. So hopefully that'll make you guys

1470
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 13: feel better. Otherwise I would doubt sister's stort right well.

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 5: Said you know, so it's so I'm so glad you

1472
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 5: said that. Because I really was upset. It's so much

1473
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 5: so that after the show, Courtney mentioned the same exact

1474
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 5: thing to me, because you know, when you get emotional

1475
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,879
Speaker 5: sometimes you're not thinking clearly. And I really was like upset.

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01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she.

1477
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 5: And Courtney and and you Deanna. I love your name,

1478
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 5: by the way. Hello, that's my real name, by the way.

1479
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 5: We're so right obviously, yes, And that made me feel

1480
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 5: so much better. And like, I just my heart was

1481
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 5: just broken for Anna, you know what I mean. And

1482
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 5: I just I just it just broke my heart. So

1483
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 5: thank you so much for the talk back and hug

1484
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 5: right back, hug right back, hug right back. I'm a hugger.

1485
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 5: I love hugs too. It's very important they we're all huggers,

1486
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 5: are we.

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I bet Sam is not a hugger. Sam. I

1488
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 3: think Sam is a big hugger without a hug Sam,

1489
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 3: good luck. See, I was.

1490
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 5: Gonna say, you're very wrong.

1491
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 3: I am very much a hugger. Got to completely correct.

1492
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 3: Like everybody here is like a big bear.

1493
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 5: We're all big more masculine bear.

1494
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 3: Like he's not big.

1495
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 5: I don't mean like he's a big, but you know,

1496
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 5: he just I could definitely hug Sam for.

1497
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 3: Sure, do you take leave? Where do use land? So

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 3: I don't mind a hug. I always hug my friends

1499
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 3: when I'm greeting them and stuff. Oh good, Yeah, my

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01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 3: family is not so touchy.

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01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 5: But but you know, we you know, we'll hug hello.

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01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 3: I love it. You know who doesn't love a hug?

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 10: I love I love it. That don't like I've hugged them,

1504
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 10: and they're like.

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 5: So I like people I know, not people I don't know.

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01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 5: You know, like people have tried to hug people have

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01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 5: tried to do things, you know, out in public, and

1508
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is happening what One guy at a

1509
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 5: hockey game was like, are you Oh my god, your

1510
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 5: body moving from And I was like yes, and he

1511
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 5: was like he started grabbing my hair and stuff. Like

1512
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 5: my friends had like drag him away. It was very weird.

1513
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 5: I don't like that kind of stuff. But I love

1514
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 5: me a hug from a friend.

1515
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: So your biggest hug when I met you, I give

1516
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: you the biggest, craziest hug.

1517
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 3: Like that was a crazy, big hug. I'm coming at

1518
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: you live like a man like Hawaiian punch, right.

1519
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: That's the kool Aid guys, the kool aid guy, You're like,

1520
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: what is happening, Let's go to a talk back.

1521
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 14: I'm listening to you speak about reading books or not

1522
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 14: reading books. I feel like that's most of us in RMO.

1523
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 14: We want to read, but we never really make the time.

1524
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 14: I recently read not a true crime anything. Sometimes I

1525
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,440
Speaker 14: think you guys need an escape. It's called Paradise Reimagine.

1526
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 14: It's a romance novel and.

1527
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 3: It's very saucy. Loved every moment of it. Could hardly

1528
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 3: put it down. Have a good one.

1529
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 10: WHOA, it was a saucy romance.

1530
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: Ohow, I like a saucy romance. Wait, so I Paradise Revisited.

1531
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 4: Reimagined imagine. Looking at it right now, it's a romantic,

1532
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 4: steamy tale of desire, passion and love.

1533
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to buy this on Amazon.

1534
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: Right by the way, I have a Christmas tree being

1535
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: delivered tomorrow, A real one.

1536
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: I have a real one in honor.

1537
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 2: Of our talkback who I promise in the bottom of

1538
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: my heart that I would get a real tree. It

1539
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: won't have any ornaments on it because they're already on

1540
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 2: the fake one. I can't be transferring it. That seems

1541
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: crazy and it likely won't have lights on it, but

1542
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: I will get some tinsel going on that and a nice.

1543
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 10: Little star ba.

1544
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 3: Don't forget to water it, for sure, forget to water it, don't.

1545
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 3: You guys are going to want to know you can't though.

1546
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 5: Really you have to water it, right, you're making it

1547
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 5: so fun.

1548
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think.

1549
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 10: You just sit it in the water, right, isn't that right?

1550
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 9: I thought you just feel it the water thing has water.

1551
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 9: As long as it has water, make sure it's okay.

1552
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 9: Do I have to fill it every day? I mean

1553
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 9: I don't know how much I drink.

1554
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 11: Yeah, if it's kind of soaks it up, maybe that

1555
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 11: could be you know, Austin's project.

1556
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 10: You are in charge.

1557
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's to sign that.

1558
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 4: Right.

1559
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 3: What happens? It dies fire, fire, I.

1560
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 6: Know that's what.

1561
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 4: I didn't want to say that word, but I know.

1562
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: It was so crazy about water. But also it dries out.

1563
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 10: The pine needles will all fall on the.

1564
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 5: Ground, and the pine needles will fall and it will die.

1565
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that won't be very festive.

1566
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So well, I'm going to absolutely keep it water

1567
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: every single day. There you go, and I'm going to

1568
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: check and it's going to be perfect and it's gonna

1569
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: smell delicious, and I'm.

1570
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: Going to keep the tree farms alive. You know, I

1571
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: really almost.

1572
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 4: I was so conflicted because I wanted to go and

1573
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 4: get a tree. I was gonna go and get a

1574
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 4: very small live tree because of that talk back. That

1575
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 4: hurt my heart a little bit. And what a great

1576
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 4: career you have. But body like you were saying, just down,

1577
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 4: I have been. I try and buy like I have

1578
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:34,879
Speaker 4: too much stuff.

1579
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 3: I have to oh because you guys had me whine

1580
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 3: about it. I had to for whatever reason, empty basically

1581
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 3: my entire.

1582
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 4: House and put it all back in and just I'm like,

1583
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 4: it's just too much altogether. So I'm trying.

1584
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 3: To give everything away.

1585
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 4: I've given a way you cannot imagine. And also in

1586
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 4: terms of consumerism, by nothing is about the only.

1587
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 3: It's a it's a Facebook group.

1588
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 4: It's the maybe literal only social media thing I do

1589
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 4: outside of work is to give stuff away or get

1590
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 4: stuff that I don't want to buy. I wanted a

1591
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 4: ninja blender. Anyone done with their ninja blender? Here it

1592
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 4: is pick it up free, thank you?

1593
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 3: Wait, where do you do that? What is this a

1594
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 3: little barter?

1595
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: It's a whole little like mom group that she deals

1596
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 2: with too. That's like running a high stakes trading operation.

1597
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 4: I've seen this go down you but no, it's it's

1598
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 4: in all neighborhoods. Anyone here can join their Facebook by

1599
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 4: like b U, I buy nothing. It's it's a national thing.

1600
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 4: I feel like, body, you wouldn't like it because you

1601
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't like.

1602
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 3: The people. Yeah, you're shaking your head, but I don't know.

1603
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have liked it probably in a different time.

1604
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: But now I like it.

1605
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 4: I give it, and I'm like, oh, I'm done with

1606
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,839
Speaker 4: whatever it is, cookbooks, pots, anything.

1607
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 3: Hey, does anyone want this coone in my house?

1608
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: See?

1609
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 4: I just leave it on my porch. And it's all

1610
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 4: very hyper hyper local. Giving me your address, Yeah you sure?

1611
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 4: Can you leave it at your curb? I'm sure, yeah,

1612
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 4: you can organize.

1613
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: But well, as.

1614
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 2: Somebody who has been living on hand me downs, I

1615
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 2: was so grateful when people just literally gave me all

1616
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 2: of their stuff, literally, Like I had bags of people's

1617
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 2: clothes that I it's only recently that I stopped wearing

1618
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: them because I thought they were good luck at that point,

1619
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 2: and I think I've been corrected.

1620
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 6: I was.

1621
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 3: There is an error in my ways buying.

1622
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: Things off the racks, or you know, not wearing things

1623
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 2: enough times because oh, I've seen that too many times.

1624
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: I wore that to that, you know, wedding or an

1625
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 2: event like who cares? So what where again? You know

1626
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 2: anybody knows that in.

1627
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: The real world.

1628
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 2: But I think I was like a little in the

1629
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: La bubble for a hot second, and it got away

1630
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: from me.

1631
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 5: I think it gets away from all of us though,

1632
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 5: Like I mean, I've done it too, you know. I. Oh,

1633
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 5: you know how many pairs of Doc Martins I have?

1634
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 5: I have like seven five pairs of dog Martins. You

1635
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 5: don't buy Why you have that in your.

1636
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 3: House right now? Yes? Oh, you have to give those

1637
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 3: away immediately. It's bad.

1638
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: It's that's actually bad energy. You want to make sure

1639
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: when you buy something to Again, I'm not doling at advice.

1640
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I have very few things at this point, but I

1641
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 2: will say, as somebody who had a lot of things,

1642
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: when you give something, when you get something, you take.

1643
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 3: Something out something like that.

1644
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: So when you get a pair of shoes, I have

1645
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: four pairs of shoes right now, and I really do

1646
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 2: need a good pair of winter boots, like the kind

1647
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: that you don't slip on the ice.

1648
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 3: We can see that coming about.

1649
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 10: That's important.

1650
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 2: I can get a lot of I can barely, but

1651
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: like I have like really, you know, and I've gotten

1652
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: a gift or something I cherish, but you know, if

1653
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: if I get another pair of shoes, then I'm gonna

1654
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 2: give the ones away.

1655
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 3: That's good, I think.

1656
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 2: So you keep the flow going, or you get X

1657
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: amount of hangers in your closet.

1658
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

1659
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: With the capsule wardrobes a lot of thought, but if

1660
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: you have X amount of hangers in.

1661
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 3: Your closet, you never ever use more. It's a wardrobe.

1662
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 2: A capsule wardrobe is like, hey, I'm going to get

1663
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: one black skirt and then a pair of really like

1664
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 2: Jigi black blouse and a pair of jean You have

1665
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: six items, like nine items, but they all interchange, like

1666
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: in theory, we should all just be able to live

1667
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: out of the suitcase. And then you love your clothes,

1668
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 2: Like how much clothes did I really have that I

1669
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: never wore ever, you know, or that were shoved in

1670
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: there because I'm like, oh, I'm going to need that

1671
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 2: white T shirt that has like you know.

1672
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 3: That's me. I have, like the old.

1673
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 2: Navy leggings that I got on sale at Old Navy

1674
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: ten years ago.

1675
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Why do I still need those?

1676
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: So now that I got a real fresh start, I'm

1677
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: very intentional about what I put in the house or

1678
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: even put on my body.

1679
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 3: If I don't love it, I don't want to wear it.

1680
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 3: If I don't.

1681
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: If you see me in it a lot, say I

1682
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,440
Speaker 2: love it. I love the sweater that you're wearing ski Lodge.

1683
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 3: And my girlfriends bought me this. Can you imagine?

1684
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: And it's so nice and it's so cozy. I wear

1685
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: it every day. I practically live in it.

1686
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 3: I need so it's like your house sweater. It's my

1687
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 3: house sweater. I have one of those.

1688
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so so warm, it's really nice and I

1689
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: love it and one day I'll retire it and somebody

1690
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 2: else will love it.

1691
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 5: And I bought it I think at Old maybe for

1692
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 5: like ten dollars. Like no, man, it's my favorite sweater.

1693
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 5: That's to relate, you know, I need to do that

1694
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 5: because I really like that buying with intention and you

1695
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 5: know whatnot maybe I'll yeah, I'm going to have It's like.

1696
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: Even our makeup drawer that has like, you know, ninety blushes.

1697
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: In it. Not that we had ninety blushes, but you

1698
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 2: know I have like old makeup, or at least I

1699
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: did in a drawer that I never really opened because

1700
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,480
Speaker 2: I never really needed the weird nectar.

1701
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 3: Colored blush, you know, like who's going there?

1702
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 2: Like, if you're not really wearing it or using it

1703
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 2: on the daily, then let somebody else have it, and

1704
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: let somebody else use it and pay it forward.

1705
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 5: It make for yourself, especially in these times. No, I'm

1706
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 5: all about that. I'm all about that. I'm yeah, it's

1707
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 5: a really good idea, maybe because like you you know,

1708
01:29:58,600 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 5: like this bo this no.

1709
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 3: Bi ger right that you were speaking of.

1710
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 5: I like the idea of it, but I'd rather donate it,

1711
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 5: you know, will yea.

1712
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 11: I used to do like a closet clean and then

1713
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 11: I would take the bags of clothing to like sort

1714
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 11: of the areas where I knew there were a lot

1715
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 11: of homeless people, and then I.

1716
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 10: Would just sort of give the bags to the people.

1717
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 10: But you have to be careful, to be careful.

1718
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that either, because I feel

1719
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 5: I feel like that that makes me feel weird, Like

1720
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 5: your stuff, I don't want you take it, you know

1721
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 5: what I mean?

1722
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 3: That makes me feel weird.

1723
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 5: Well, but donating it to an organization that would help

1724
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 5: a lot of people.

1725
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Like honestly, like everybody's treasure, you know, your trash, their

1726
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 2: treasure like that.

1727
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 3: I I love everybody. I really have appreciation for people's stuff.

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01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 2: Funny, I was gifted a massage just just like a

1729
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,839
Speaker 2: year and a half ago. I was gifted a massage

1730
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 2: and the messius came to my house at the time

1731
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,839
Speaker 2: versus pre and he was like from Russia or something

1732
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 2: that had been Yes, it was a heat and his

1733
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 2: wife and they came as a little twosome.

1734
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 3: She brought this stuff.

1735
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: In and my mom was with me. It wasn't anything weird,

1736
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 2: but she was suddenly went like sideways.

1737
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 3: But he was.

1738
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: He had just moved, he had you know, he came

1739
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: to this country and started from scratch, used to be

1740
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: a doctor. He didn't even have a blender, nothing. And

1741
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: I remember thinking like that's amazing, like how you know, wow,

1742
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 2: wow wow, and being really grateful like wow, like I

1743
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 2: love my life so much. Fast forward to you know,

1744
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 2: post fires, I get gifted the same massage by the

1745
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,759
Speaker 2: same person and he comes over and he oh, no blender,

1746
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Oh he brought are you kidding?

1747
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 3: Beautiful? And I was like, you know what, it's like,

1748
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 3: we are all the same.

1749
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 2: Can I just be honest, all the same the level

1750
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 2: the playing field gets leveled sometimes my friends, and it

1751
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 2: was like the humanity and so many has been honestly

1752
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 2: the biggest takeaway of twenty twenty five. Not to get

1753
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: into soapbox, but we don't need so much stuff. And

1754
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: I can just say that firsthand. I'm almost a little embarrassed.

1755
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: I had like a RELIGII purse and I cared about

1756
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 2: the wallet being nice and you know, right.

1757
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 3: You know, your select matters more.

1758
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 5: I agree, I totally agree. I don't need seventy five

1759
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 5: pairs of dog Martins. Would somebody would die for those?

1760
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: Docs? Well, I mean I've had them.

1761
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 5: I mean these are dog Martins that I've had for

1762
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 5: twenty years or not, like, you know, like seventy five pairs.

1763
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 3: Over the long period of time.

1764
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 6: Right.

1765
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1766
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 2: It's also you know, I think Courtney and I were

1767
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 2: developing a show once about home improvements or something or

1768
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 2: cleaning out your house, and there was like this odd

1769
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 2: set statistic about people in their storage facilities that like

1770
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: people like the world of the United States, and I

1771
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: think I'm getting this number wrong, but it's like a

1772
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 2: billion dollars in storage facilities.

1773
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 3: That's that's so much, so big. I have too much

1774
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 3: crap at our house. We have to buy a storage there.

1775
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 4: Stay and ps, if you're debating, oh I'm going to

1776
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 4: put X, Y and Z in storage, you may as

1777
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 4: well get the unused burn cage or whatever, because the

1778
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 4: likelihood of you ever taking something out of storage is

1779
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 4: incredibly small.

1780
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 3: Correct.

1781
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: And again, if it's not a treasure, or if you're

1782
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: not gonna what was the role that we learned on

1783
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 2: that show, either yeah it's like or for it or

1784
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 2: show it wasn't that the store it or show it

1785
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: yeah or something like that. Or if it's a treasure,

1786
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 2: then it should be on a shelf for something.

1787
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:29,839
Speaker 3: It needs to really see.

1788
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, it needs to stalk some joy.

1789
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 3: And it's true, you know, yeah, that's right, that's right.

1790
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,879
Speaker 2: But you know again, I think we're especially at the holidays,

1791
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, I wish I had this, and I

1792
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 2: wish I had that, and god knows I've done that.

1793
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 3: My list was very long.

1794
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 2: Always and I'm going to be honest, I legitimately want

1795
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: for nothing this year, Not a single gift I want.

1796
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 3: I have my lip gloss, I have my things.

1797
01:33:55,479 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful, and I feel bad that maybe I

1798
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: wasn't grateful enough this year.

1799
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 3: Don't do that. That's it.

1800
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you don't need to feel bad about it,

1801
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 4: and you shouldn't at all, and you shouldn't, so I'd

1802
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 4: let go of that. If you're giving things away, I would,

1803
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 4: I would. Really.

1804
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 3: Let's give me your hat, how about that?

1805
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: You know what a little do with this cozy sweater, that

1806
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 2: hat and some Doc Martin's awesome listen. We'll be back tomorrow.

1807
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 2: Thank you for the great night, Have a good one

1808
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 2: and stay safe.