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Speaker 1: This is behind the dollar bastards, Dollar bastards. This is
Speaker 1: those those dollar bastards. So, I don't know, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think out of all of the characters y'all
Speaker 1: have covered, who do you think Kissinger gets along with? Best? God?
Speaker 1: I mean that's a tough one, that judge and Textas
Speaker 1: with the Bear, the Bear he definitely gets along with.
Speaker 1: There's definitely guys like you know, the guys who did
Speaker 1: the filibustering Walker and those guys who just love to
Speaker 1: just take over other countries. People. There's not We've never
Speaker 1: experienced this level of casualty. This is I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: like there are evil, it's it's the spray of your
Speaker 1: evil that is so remarkable about this. The ability to
Speaker 1: have your finger on this button with this level of
Speaker 1: darkness is uh. I it's a little you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's you know again, I mean we've covered
Speaker 1: evil motherfucker's but I don't think they've been able to
Speaker 1: scatter shot in the way that you know, kissingers. It's
Speaker 1: a rare talent at a rare time, on a rare team.
Speaker 1: I would put uh Yon uh Peter Zoon Cohen who
Speaker 1: was the East the Dutch colony guy, the East India, Right,
Speaker 1: he did a lot of killing. Yeah, and he definitely
Speaker 1: had the same sort of attitude, very casual about Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of people. Yeah, the the killing
Speaker 1: because we're white Americans, yeah, um, or just white people
Speaker 1: just you know, for for land has been it's a theme.
Speaker 1: It's Jackson. I would put up there with Jackson. He's
Speaker 1: he's he's at that level of like monstrous national leader
Speaker 1: who believes in a fucked up thing, like in terms
Speaker 1: of his death well Andrew Jackson in his in his
Speaker 1: white supremacy Hitler and his Hitler stuff, you know, maw
Speaker 1: and some of the weird things he believed about crop
Speaker 1: rotation or like whatnot. Um, he's at that level of
Speaker 1: like death toll, but he doesn't believe in anything, Like
Speaker 1: he's not trying to do a thing. He's not like,
Speaker 1: he's not like attempting society. Yeah. I guess that's the
Speaker 1: weirdest part of him, because this sort of death count
Speaker 1: usually comes out of ideology. Yes, that's exactly what I
Speaker 1: was trying to get at. Yeah. Imagine if his childhood
Speaker 1: affected him what he would Yeah, that might have an impact.
Speaker 1: I imagine if that had actually impacted him in any way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it it Yeah, that's the that's the it's so
Speaker 1: fucked up that like it's fucking Craig again. We keep
Speaker 1: getting back to like Walter from the Big Lebowski logic,
Speaker 1: But like, at least those other war criminals had an ethos. Yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: you could negotiate or talk down or at least there
Speaker 1: would be like an angle at least like, oh, you
Speaker 1: are a you're a person like not to morally compare
Speaker 1: him negatively to Hitler, because for the record, folks, Hitler's worse,
Speaker 1: you know, basically, And yeah, but there's at least you
Speaker 1: can grasp onto a level of understanding with Hitler, because
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I believe in things, and I even
Speaker 1: believe in things that like, I think it would be
Speaker 1: okay to like use violence in order to to to
Speaker 1: because of those things that I believe. I think there
Speaker 1: are situations that justify violence, and those are based on
Speaker 1: things that I believe about morality. And Hitler had things
Speaker 1: that he believed about morality that he felt justified violent violence.
Speaker 1: And so you can grapple at least with what must
Speaker 1: have been going on in the man's head when he
Speaker 1: did some of the terrible things he did. I cannot
Speaker 1: get into the head of a man who is willing
Speaker 1: to do this to keep a gig. Yeah a yeah,
Speaker 1: it's for a gig that he didn't even need. He
Speaker 1: didn't even need this job. Now he's he's almost as
Speaker 1: bad as Dr Phil Yeah, oh, I mean, yes, that's
Speaker 1: a little bit hyperbolic. Dave I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think that's hub uh dr phillion levels of evil. It's
Speaker 1: also just the the dumb the idea that sixty minutes
Speaker 1: like was like take the keys hang, have the keys
Speaker 1: hang there you go, yeah, you know, yeah, just the
Speaker 1: run annual normalization. It's like, now, yeah, when it comes
Speaker 1: to the folks who will defend Henry Kissinger or even
Speaker 1: call him a great statesman, and those folks do exist.
Speaker 1: I have read some of their books. Um, when you
Speaker 1: get to those people, there are generally a couple of
Speaker 1: achievements that they will trumpet. Is like, well, you have
Speaker 1: to give him, you know these things, right, um? And
Speaker 1: they sound impressive on paper. Um. In nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 1: he and North Vietnam's lead though won the Nobel Peace
Speaker 1: Prize for their work in the negotiations that became the
Speaker 1: Paris Peace Accords. Right, winning a Nobel Prize for stopping
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. Impressive sounding on paper if you don't
Speaker 1: think about the fact that he extended the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1: He to you know, um, was a part of that. Um.
Speaker 1: He didn't negotiate the first Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty and
Speaker 1: Anti Ballistic missile treaty with the Soviet Union. Those are
Speaker 1: good things, but but he the whole thing. It would
Speaker 1: be like congratulating Sully sullen Burger if he threw the
Speaker 1: geese into the he had been breeding geese and that
Speaker 1: exactly making bang noises to scam to the plane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what an amazing achievement. Yeah, um, and yeah, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things like, yeah he got and part of
Speaker 1: like the arms reductions that he secured with the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union are less impressive than they sound. I was just
Speaker 1: talking in the last episode about that documentary Command and Control,
Speaker 1: and one of the points it makes is that like
Speaker 1: these Atlas two missiles, which nearly killed half of the
Speaker 1: people on the East Coast through radioactive fallout, we're obsolete
Speaker 1: and not effective and recognized as not being useful. But
Speaker 1: they were kept in the arsenal not because we needed them,
Speaker 1: but because we were going to have a treaty with
Speaker 1: the Soviets soon and we wanted to have something we
Speaker 1: could give up that wouldn't actually cost us anything like
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's that kind of ship, like that's
Speaker 1: all of the fucking Yeah he respect fuel rods basically, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And he does this, He helps negotiate reductions in nuclear
Speaker 1: arms after pushing the missile gap myth for the JMP administration. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: he did help pass an international convention against biological weapons,
Speaker 1: which is cool if you don't think too much about
Speaker 1: the defoliants that he ordered spread out across Southeast Asia. Um, Jesus,
Speaker 1: we need to stop people like Kennedy Kiston Jo. We
Speaker 1: have to stop. I must be stopped. The only way
Speaker 1: to abuse me. He had a role in the Helsinki
Speaker 1: Final Act Article ten, which committed nations on both sides
Speaker 1: of the Cold War to quote respect human rights and
Speaker 1: fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of conscience, religion, or belief
Speaker 1: for all without distinction to race. Yeah. He's literally the
Speaker 1: guy who's in a room and he's like, we should
Speaker 1: kill everyone, and then he walks out and comes back
Speaker 1: in another door and goes killing bad. The killing must stop.
Speaker 1: It's like when deal with me was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find the real killer. Yes, yes, we gotta find
Speaker 1: this guy. Sell out there. Henry Kissinger doesn't go to
Speaker 1: d C anymore because he might run into the man
Speaker 1: who ordered the carpet bombing of Laos. We are all
Speaker 1: trying to find the guy who did this. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna live till we find out which son of a
Speaker 1: bitch is behind this. Now there is, however, one huge
Speaker 1: titanic achievement that even the most hardened critics have to
Speaker 1: give Kissinger. He restored diplomatic relations between the United States
Speaker 1: and China. Now, this is a huge deal, no matter
Speaker 1: how you slice it. For a brief primer, China had
Speaker 1: them a big old civil war between the communists who one,
Speaker 1: and the nationalists who we backed, who we were called like,
Speaker 1: you know, democrats, republicans, whatever like called democratic forces. They
Speaker 1: had you know them a dictator as it always is. Um.
Speaker 1: He was a dude named Chang Kai shek Um And yeah,
Speaker 1: malt wins in ninety nine Shanghai Check and his forces
Speaker 1: take all the gold they can carry, and they flee
Speaker 1: to Taiwan. And for the next thirty years, the United
Speaker 1: States refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of the Chinese state
Speaker 1: and deal with it directly. In one of the most
Speaker 1: unhinged decisions in the history of US foreign policy, decades
Speaker 1: of presidents pretend Taiwan it's the real China, Like Taiwan
Speaker 1: has a permanent seat on the the U. N. Security Council.
Speaker 1: That is China's seat, but taiwanas you can look on
Speaker 1: a map, it is somewhat smaller than actual China. What
Speaker 1: we're doing, it's like what we're doing in Venezuela. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, like that guy is the president, Like yeah, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things like you don't have to
Speaker 1: be a fan of Mao to recognize this as stupid,
Speaker 1: Like Mao is in the head of a government that
Speaker 1: is this basically a whole continent, and you're just pretending
Speaker 1: he's not. And that's nuts. Um, the emperor has no land. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's craziness. Um, it's stupid. Uh yeah. And in fairness again,
Speaker 1: because we're about to talk about like Kissinger had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with this, right, Kissinger is not why we
Speaker 1: refuse to recognize the existence of the Chinese government. This
Speaker 1: is a dumb thing that when he comes into power,
Speaker 1: he and Nixon are both very astutely recognized as a
Speaker 1: dumb thing, and they don't want this to continue, and
Speaker 1: it is it is hard to overstate how dangerous this
Speaker 1: state of affairs is. Um for one reason, after stalindize
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, relations between the USSR and Mouse
Speaker 1: China steadily decline. In nineteen sixty four, the year China
Speaker 1: conducts their first successful nuclear tests, diplomatic relations breakdown between
Speaker 1: both communist nations. So now you have three massive empires,
Speaker 1: all of whom are armed with nukes, none of whom
Speaker 1: are directly talking to each other. Like this is a
Speaker 1: bad situation, um and Kissinger does recognize how dangerous the
Speaker 1: status quo is. Now. In nineteen sixty nine, China and
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union have a series of border skirmishes. Their
Speaker 1: soldiers are shooting at each other, Moscow threatens to start
Speaker 1: dropping nukes, and for a time the Chinese government conducts
Speaker 1: its affairs from underground bunkers. Again very reasonable that Nixon
Speaker 1: ni Kissinger are like, well, we should probably have some
Speaker 1: way to fucking call these people on the goddamn phone, right,
Speaker 1: Like this seems bad. Let's just get a phone. Let's
Speaker 1: get a fucking phone. You would think it would be
Speaker 1: that simple, Dave, But we're gonna talk for about an
Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes about how it's not. So. By
Speaker 1: the time nineteen seventy one comes around, Nixon and Kissinger
Speaker 1: were also both looking for a major diplomatic coup that
Speaker 1: could distract from the fact that they hadn't quite managed
Speaker 1: to in that whole Vietnam War thing, and had in
Speaker 1: fact made it all very much worse. There's also some
Speaker 1: rational self interest in here, you know, whatever else you
Speaker 1: can say about them, I don't think either of these
Speaker 1: men want to die, and they recognize like, well, this
Speaker 1: could cause a nuclear or that ends all life on earth,
Speaker 1: including us. We should probably deal with this. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they finally realized that life is actually has purpose once
Speaker 1: it's there. Yeah. It's also one of those this is
Speaker 1: getting a little off topic, but like people talk about,
Speaker 1: you will see, at least on the right people say like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if the nationalists had won the Chinese Civil War,
Speaker 1: a lot less people would have died. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: the specific things Mao did that killed a lot of
Speaker 1: people wouldn't have been done. But if Chang Kai shek
Speaker 1: is in charge of China and like, while China is communist,
Speaker 1: they almost get in a nuclear fight with the U.
Speaker 1: S s R. Do you think, like right wing Chen
Speaker 1: Kai check led China is less likely to have a
Speaker 1: nuclear fight with the Soviets? Would the hard nosed version. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is it like if they're not on the same
Speaker 1: ideological side. Yeah, people don't talk a lot about the
Speaker 1: fact that the U. S s Are and Communist China
Speaker 1: nearly nearly nuked each other, just like the Ares. And
Speaker 1: also Mao killed landlords. So are those people well fair? Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of them were landlords. It's not the landlords were
Speaker 1: complaining about. It's the you know, the people who didn't
Speaker 1: have grain. But that's a story for a completely different
Speaker 1: set of days. At this point in time, you've got
Speaker 1: two countries that should three countries that should all be
Speaker 1: talking on the basis that they all individually have the
Speaker 1: ability to end all life on earth, and they're not.
Speaker 1: And and Kissinger is like, you know what I can
Speaker 1: get in here. You know, I can make this work.
Speaker 1: I can make this work. Um. And also it will
Speaker 1: help us win an election. Um. So it just so happens.
Speaker 1: That is also a time in which China is willing
Speaker 1: to sit down with the United States. Maw wants us
Speaker 1: help negotiating with the Soviets, which is very strange and
Speaker 1: like the does not make a lot of Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't talk to these guys, can't talk to someone who
Speaker 1: else can't talk to these Nixon, you love communists, git
Speaker 1: in here. Um, you know, it's just the you've got
Speaker 1: like the way the Cold War is portrayed from the
Speaker 1: thousand yard view to people like watching the propaganda of
Speaker 1: whatever state. And then you've got like Mao being like, hey, Nixon,
Speaker 1: I need your help to deal with the Soviets. I
Speaker 1: need a rational partner, and Nixon being drunk. You know,
Speaker 1: you know who's gonna get me Win Sinch, me Richard Millhouse,
Speaker 1: Nixon the election at seventy two. MAUSEI dung it is
Speaker 1: it is weird politics. And this it's almost like it's
Speaker 1: almost like there's only there's only three people in the world. Yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: so this is uh you know, and Nixon, yeah once once.
Speaker 1: Nixon is very much down to talk with China. But
Speaker 1: it is not that simple because since the diplomatic situation
Speaker 1: has been done for so very long, there aren't like
Speaker 1: US diplomats in China that we can like send a
Speaker 1: message through, right like you literally don't have those ties.
Speaker 1: So the US does have ways of communicating with the
Speaker 1: Chinese government there through back channels, though, because you can't
Speaker 1: admit publicly that you're doing it because Taiwan is your
Speaker 1: ally and Taiwan doesn't want to acknowledge that the Chinese
Speaker 1: government is legitimate government. Very um. One of the back
Speaker 1: channels is through the leader of Communist Romania, Nikolai Chechescu,
Speaker 1: and the other, oh, Nikolai Nikolaia is not the bad
Speaker 1: guy of this story. Is your hero, not your hero,
Speaker 1: but let's call him a benign force in this specific
Speaker 1: in yeah. The other is through the military dictator of Pakistan,
Speaker 1: General Adha Mohammed Yaya Khan. Now we should probably talk
Speaker 1: a little bit of history here. In seven, the British
Speaker 1: gave up ruling over the Indian subcontinent finally. As a rule,
Speaker 1: whenever colonial powers leave their former possessions, they attempted to
Speaker 1: set up states based on their pre existing alliances and
Speaker 1: racial biases. This is why we have, for example, the
Speaker 1: entire modern map of the Middle East. In this case
Speaker 1: of the Indian Subcontinent, what had once been a colony
Speaker 1: was split into India and Pakistan. India is obviously Hindu majority,
Speaker 1: in Pakistan as a Muslim majority nation. Now, if you
Speaker 1: know your English colonialists, you know they're not very good maps.
Speaker 1: So the Brits divvying up the subcontinent, decide that Pakistan
Speaker 1: should include two huge chunks of land separated by more
Speaker 1: than a thousand miles of India. West Pakistan is the
Speaker 1: Pakistan we know and love today, right, classic Pakistan, like
Speaker 1: the Yeah, East Pakistan is like the new Coke of Pakistan,
Speaker 1: except for now it's Bangladesh, right, Um, But at the
Speaker 1: time Bangladesh is East Pakistan. And there's just like a
Speaker 1: whole funkload to India in between the two, which is
Speaker 1: there's like a line that Pakistani people will say at
Speaker 1: the time that like East and West Pakistan are only
Speaker 1: united by religion. Um, the English language and Pakistan Airlines
Speaker 1: and by far, Pakistan Airlines is the strongest of the three. Um.
Speaker 1: Cool England once again, I mean, just guy, what do
Speaker 1: you say we put a blind photo on and then
Speaker 1: trying to pin the town on this junk and the
Speaker 1: the fact that Indian partition, that England partitions India at all,
Speaker 1: is a humanitarian crisis an incomprehensible scale. As many as
Speaker 1: two million people died, often as the result of horrific
Speaker 1: racial or religious violence. And Henry Kiston just hearing that, like,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm getting hard. I can do better. That's nothing.
Speaker 1: I can beat those rookie numbers. A week Where do
Speaker 1: I send congratulations? Cord tended twenty millionaire displaced. But even
Speaker 1: though East and West Pakistan are supposed to be united
Speaker 1: by faith, there's like massive ethnic divides, right, Like they're not.
Speaker 1: The fact that they're all ostensibly Muslim does not mean anything,
Speaker 1: because like they're completely different parts of the world with
Speaker 1: completely different chuncks of history. Right, And at least America
Speaker 1: learns this lesson. Yes, thankfully, we we get this right.
Speaker 1: You know, by the time we get into Pakistan, we're
Speaker 1: done with the stupid stuff. We're faking a vaccine drive
Speaker 1: in order to steal people's blood. Yeah, they're good. Guys
Speaker 1: are back. You know how to fix this? Yeah? Um
Speaker 1: so yeah, here's the Smithsonian magazine kind of laying out
Speaker 1: the relationship between East and West Pakistan. By the time
Speaker 1: Kissinger and Nixon take office, with most of the ruling
Speaker 1: elite having immigrated westward from India, West Pakistan was chosen
Speaker 1: as the nation's political center. Between nineteen forty seven and
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, East Pakistan had only twenty five percent of
Speaker 1: the country's industrial investments and thirty percent of its imports,
Speaker 1: despite producing fifty nine percent of the country's exports. West
Speaker 1: Pakistani elites saw their Eastern countrymen as culturally and ethnically inferior,
Speaker 1: and an attempt to make Urdu the national language less
Speaker 1: than ten percent of the population of East Pakistan had
Speaker 1: a working knowledge of Urdu was seen as further proof
Speaker 1: that East Pakistan's interests would be ignored by the government.
Speaker 1: Making matters worse, the powerful, powerful Bolas cyclone hit East
Speaker 1: Bangladesh in November of nineteen seventy, killing three hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1: Despite having more resources at their disposal, West Pakistan offered
Speaker 1: a sluggish response to the disaster. As French journalist Paul
Speaker 1: Dreyfus said of the situation, over the years, West Pakistan
Speaker 1: behaved like a poorly raised, egotistical guest, devouring the best
Speaker 1: dishes and leaving nothing but scraps and leftovers for East Pakistan.
Speaker 1: So school, it's not great. It's not great. And Pakistan's
Speaker 1: military is what's in charge, right, It's a military dictatorship.
Speaker 1: They run everything and they are hyper focused on India,
Speaker 1: who is their primary geopolitical rival. In nineteen Pakistan attempts
Speaker 1: to invade cash Mere, sparking a vicious conflict. And I'm
Speaker 1: not giving you the whole the detail of the conflict
Speaker 1: between India and Pakistan. Please don't take this as me
Speaker 1: throwing all of the blame on one side or the other.
Speaker 1: This is just like the Barsted Cliffs notes, because we
Speaker 1: have a lot to cover in this episode. Um, and
Speaker 1: the US, it's worth noting, had been selling arms to
Speaker 1: both countries in nineteen six. Yeah, I know, American strange.
Speaker 1: Come on, so our history is so different. Lbj's administration
Speaker 1: was forced by public outcry as a result of this
Speaker 1: to issue an arms embargo on both nations. Pakistan saw
Speaker 1: the embargo is unfairly harming them, and as a result,
Speaker 1: there was bad blood among the high command towards the
Speaker 1: Democratic Johnson administration. By the time Kissinger and Nixon are
Speaker 1: in the White House, the president of Pakistan is again
Speaker 1: this guy Yahya Khan. We'll just call him Yaya because
Speaker 1: it's fun to say. Yeah. Um. He took power in
Speaker 1: March of nineteen sixty nine by forcing out another general
Speaker 1: in instituting martial law. Kissinger once wrote of him, yah
Speaker 1: Ya is tough, direct and with a good sense of humor.
Speaker 1: He talks in a very clipped way. Is a splendid
Speaker 1: product of Sandhurst and affects a sort of social naivete.
Speaker 1: But it's probably much more complicated than this. Now, Sandhurst
Speaker 1: is like the British Royal Military Academy. It's like a
Speaker 1: broadly speaking British West Point. Um. Yahya affected an English air.
Speaker 1: He carried like a swagger stick. He dresses like he's
Speaker 1: a British officer. He acts like he's a British officer. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: He is also a raging alcoholic, one of Haistani politician noted.
Speaker 1: He starts with Kooniak for breakfast and continues drinking throughout
Speaker 1: the day night, often finding him in a sodden state.
Speaker 1: So he's a break just a drunk dude who always
Speaker 1: carries a stick for hitting horse. It's very ton h Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Churchill drank a too, right, I mean yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: It's just something about kay was on meth for a
Speaker 1: decent chunk of his early presidency. Wow, it's we're like
Speaker 1: when we point out that a guy like Yahya is drunk,
Speaker 1: it is not to contrast him with Western leaders. Is
Speaker 1: just some kind of aren't drunk? I think I think um, um,
Speaker 1: what's his name? The guy who came after Nixon but
Speaker 1: not right after Carter, probably pretty sober in the White House. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but his brother was making brother. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, well, I'll drink from German. I'll problem. Oh,
Speaker 1: Billy Billy Carter should have been the president and we
Speaker 1: would have gotten some ship done. Honestly, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that different trajectory. Let's see what he
Speaker 1: Cole bad could pocket. Let's dance. In nineteen seventy, Yah
Speaker 1: Yah decides to hold an election which is meant to
Speaker 1: be more for show than anything else. Right, it's this
Speaker 1: thing you do because he's Pakistan is definitely India is
Speaker 1: a neutral country. They're not on the side of the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union or the US and the stupid Cold War thing.
Speaker 1: They're very intelligently like, what what does it benefit us
Speaker 1: to pick one side? Like fun that stuff. Um. But
Speaker 1: they also because India has got much more of a
Speaker 1: socialist especially early on, is much more of a socialist government,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of distrust from them in the United States,
Speaker 1: and Pakistan really leans on that to be buddy buddy
Speaker 1: with the United States more um and one of the
Speaker 1: ways as part of like his attempts to get closer
Speaker 1: and closer to the US because he wants arms like
Speaker 1: everybody who gets buddy buddy with the U. S Um
Speaker 1: Yah Yah decides to hold an election because we love
Speaker 1: seeing people have elections. We don't really care how they go,
Speaker 1: but we like seeing them. You know. Um, it's sport,
Speaker 1: it's sport. Yeah, So he's allowed, he has a selection
Speaker 1: and his plan is to like basically rig it so
Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't mean anything, It doesn't take
Speaker 1: any power away from the military. But yeah, Yah is
Speaker 1: not good at anything. This is an important thing to know.
Speaker 1: He's really bad at every thing he does. That breakfast
Speaker 1: Kanyec had anything to do with, they probably question. So
Speaker 1: this election gets out of his hands immediately. East Pakistan
Speaker 1: is much larger than West Pakistan, and while West Pakistan's
Speaker 1: votes are split between parties, like there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: different conflicting political parties, nearly everyone in East Pakistan gets
Speaker 1: in line behind the same party, the Awami League. Um,
Speaker 1: they're big things. They want autonomy from West Pakistan, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're very angry at like the fact that they're
Speaker 1: getting sucked over by the West. So the West, which
Speaker 1: is doing the fucking over, has a bunch of minor
Speaker 1: ship they're quabbling over. The East is just united behind
Speaker 1: let's stop getting sucked over. And as a result, they
Speaker 1: get a shipload of people elected in this massive block
Speaker 1: um and they come to it's enough that they will
Speaker 1: completely dominate elector like the Parliament of Pakistan because of
Speaker 1: like how well this election goes for them. Yeah Yah
Speaker 1: does not like this, and rather than allowing the newly
Speaker 1: did assembly to sit, he cancels their first meeting and
Speaker 1: declares martial law. Yeah. Riots follow. The leader of the
Speaker 1: Owami League, a guy named Shaik Mujibur Rahman I, apologize
Speaker 1: for what is surely a mispronunciation declared a civil disobedience movement.
Speaker 1: It was into this volatile situation that Henry Kissinger stepped
Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen Now, he and Nixon had
Speaker 1: pretty good relations with West Pakistan's government, which is at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, just ya ya. They were loath
Speaker 1: to trust India since it was non aligned. Nixon also
Speaker 1: was very racist and hated the fact that India's democracy
Speaker 1: was popular among Americans, while the country maintained close ties
Speaker 1: with the USSR, he once told Yahya quote, there is
Speaker 1: a psychosis in this country about India. Now, a big
Speaker 1: part of Nixon's hatred of India is that it's led
Speaker 1: by a woman, Indira Gandhi. Oh yeah, we'll be talking
Speaker 1: more about that in a second. Yahya, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: is one of the few people on planet Earth that
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon comes to consider as a friend, one of
Speaker 1: Nixon's one of Yeah, I they're both drunk assholes. They
Speaker 1: don't remember the friendship that God was it important to
Speaker 1: the um. One of Kissinger's aids later said of the situation.
Speaker 1: They liked him. He was a soldier, he had style,
Speaker 1: He was kind of a jaunty guy. Uh this this aide.
Speaker 1: Hodgkinson admits that Yahya was not very smart, but says
Speaker 1: that for Nixon and Kissinger, he was a man's man.
Speaker 1: He wasn't some woman running a country. Right. But it
Speaker 1: sounds like we're talking about how people talking about Yelson, Right,
Speaker 1: He's a man's man as he sees the Secret Services
Speaker 1: tracking him down drunk in the middle of d C. Yeah, yeah, Yelson,
Speaker 1: who was passed out on the plane. I forget he
Speaker 1: was supposed to meet and he was passed that on
Speaker 1: the plane and they were like, Boris, Boris, and he's like, no, notes,
Speaker 1: Boris non if Look, if if if we had kept
Speaker 1: every world leader after that point to the standards of
Speaker 1: drunkenness that Yelson set, we wouldn't be having this war
Speaker 1: right now, I'll tell you that much. We might have
Speaker 1: had other wars. Well, some weird in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night too, and he'd be like, dropped the nuke,
Speaker 1: you know, and they'd be like, buddy, like the next
Speaker 1: day but I don't remember what I said. They're like,
Speaker 1: thank god. Yeah, we need to institute a mandatory drink
Speaker 1: minimum for all elected leaders in this country. Bush sobriety
Speaker 1: did not help. If you can't force term limits, you
Speaker 1: can force liver cancer. Yes, we can. We can brute
Speaker 1: force our way into getting him out of office after
Speaker 1: a year. Two. Hey, do you know who else can
Speaker 1: force liver cancer? Oh? Well, we are sponsored by stolych
Speaker 1: Naya vodka, which is now illegal in several states for
Speaker 1: reasons about It's remarkable. It's like, it's just how are
Speaker 1: we so dumb? Are we so dumb? It's amazing that
Speaker 1: in this like deeply ugly and complicated situation, where large
Speaker 1: numbers of people are suffering, Americans recognize that the right
Speaker 1: thing to do is destroyed bottles of domestically the country
Speaker 1: is involved in the conflict, They're they're taking Finnish vodka
Speaker 1: and just throwing it into the streets. Great country. Here's
Speaker 1: some other ads. Ah, we're back man man. So this
Speaker 1: is not a Nixon mini series, but in order to
Speaker 1: talk about the friendship, the deep and abiding love that
Speaker 1: the two men had, there is an incredible paragraph from
Speaker 1: the book The Blood Telegram by Gary Bass that I'm
Speaker 1: going to read now. Despite all his global FaceTime, Nixon
Speaker 1: was a solitary, awkward, reclusive man. Kissinger, who could not
Speaker 1: bring himself to say that he was fond of the president,
Speaker 1: once famously asked, can you imagine what this man would
Speaker 1: have been had somebody loved him? Oh? My god, Kissinger, Kissinger,
Speaker 1: that's the saddest thing I can imagine. You're being like
Speaker 1: nobody really like, if only someone had loved this man,
Speaker 1: who haven't met anyone who had the blood? Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: Nixon's only true friend was Babe Roboso, a Florida banker.
Speaker 1: He said, it doesn't come natural to me to be
Speaker 1: a buddy, buddy boy. Even hr Holdeman, the White House
Speaker 1: chief of staff, worried that the Boss was too much
Speaker 1: in his own head and once tried to find the
Speaker 1: President a friend, tracking down an oil man whom Nixon
Speaker 1: had reportedly liked in his Los Angeles days, and him
Speaker 1: in a bogus White House. Okay, listen, listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: The movie needs to be written. It's like driving Miss Daisy,
Speaker 1: but with a body count. Yeah, I love you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love you, man with war crimes. Yeah. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: so James Franco is someone in this movie. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna work in the White House, but I
Speaker 1: can't act like I'm there to meet him, even though
Speaker 1: that's my whole thing is that's right. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm just good at so. So, so I have to
Speaker 1: like try to get in. Just drink with him, Just
Speaker 1: drink with him and eat pineapple and whatever he wants
Speaker 1: to do, just do it. He's gonna he's gonna want
Speaker 1: to put weird things in pineapple. He's gonna get really
Speaker 1: drunk and cry on your shoulder. He's got a bomb.
Speaker 1: Several Southeast Asians, are you guys talking about? Sorry, okay, fella,
Speaker 1: like your face. My name, my name is Bobby, and
Speaker 1: I sorry my my pineapple And for lunch, I have
Speaker 1: pineapple and cottage cheese every day and it's it's it
Speaker 1: just got out of my best meals. Absolutely the best
Speaker 1: lunch tray you listen to. That's all I eat in between,
Speaker 1: in between just guzzling vodka. That's generally what I have.
Speaker 1: Am I on a cand of camera something you guys
Speaker 1: around are you talking about? I mean, my heart is it?
Speaker 1: But I feel I need to lay down. P oh god,
Speaker 1: you're great. I You're my favorite president, and thank you
Speaker 1: for killing so many people. If you're hr Halderman, right,
Speaker 1: how do you recognize that you are trying to make
Speaker 1: play dates for a man? It's bombing illegally multiple nations
Speaker 1: and not go democracy and all politics as a sham.
Speaker 1: I must go down in flames to take everyone out
Speaker 1: around me, because that is the only justice that can
Speaker 1: be achieved. Is like and the bubble that the Good
Speaker 1: Witch and the Wizard of Oz lives in, Like he's
Speaker 1: on that level of It's like at some point you
Speaker 1: have to wake up and be like, Okay, look these
Speaker 1: guys are bombing the ship out of country, and my
Speaker 1: goal is to find the president a buddy. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to get him a friend. I'm looking, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get him a friend. He might do something
Speaker 1: crazy if it doesn't happen any oh, god crazy. I
Speaker 1: just it's great. It's just it's just like you have
Speaker 1: a president who doesn't have a friend. Like that's what
Speaker 1: presid who doesn't have a friend. And that's a big
Speaker 1: part of why when it comes to deciding who should
Speaker 1: be the US intermediary to talk with maw yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: wins out over Cichesko because Nixon likes ya. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's about That's a big part of it, not
Speaker 1: the whole reason, but that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Now and again, let's just let's remind everybody it was great,
Speaker 1: so I can't flawless flawless man. Also, by the way,
Speaker 1: great death. If we are going to talk about punishing
Speaker 1: death a lot more, I'll go so far as to
Speaker 1: say most of the people we name in these episodes
Speaker 1: could have handled a Chowchesco. Absolutely a bad way for
Speaker 1: him to go out. Um So when it comes to
Speaker 1: time to decide, yes anyway, they go with yeah, yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: by one again. Spring of seventy one is when all
Speaker 1: of this political stuff with East Pakistan's coming to have
Speaker 1: these protests are happening. You know, things are on the brink.
Speaker 1: They're of kind of like a civil conflict. Kissinger has
Speaker 1: been the center of US policy for three years at
Speaker 1: this point, right U s foreign policy, and folks in
Speaker 1: d C by seventy one are amazed at the degree
Speaker 1: to which he has centralized power. His junior Southeast Asia
Speaker 1: aide Sam Hoskinson recalled, the power was there, he was
Speaker 1: gathering it up. You felt like you were at the
Speaker 1: political center of the universe, he and the president. That
Speaker 1: was where the decisions were made. What it sounds like
Speaker 1: a democracy to me, baby. And you know what, instead
Speaker 1: of getting away from that, let's just replicate it forever.
Speaker 1: Let's just do versions of this forever, but with people
Speaker 1: who are well not Yeah, let's just do versions of
Speaker 1: this forever. I'm even gonna try to quantify it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At age forty eight, Kissinger was new enough to power
Speaker 1: that he was noted at the time as being extremely
Speaker 1: jealous of anyone who might be seen as arrival. He
Speaker 1: focused obsessively on pleasing Nixon. Henry himself had no particular
Speaker 1: biases against India or Indian politicians, at least not compared
Speaker 1: to Nixon. But when he saw how racist his boss was,
Speaker 1: he knuckled down and found his inner bigot. He was
Speaker 1: successful enough that Nixon said of him, Henry is my
Speaker 1: least pathological pro India lover around here. God, good work, Henry.
Speaker 1: You did it, buddy, you won. He won the worst thing.
Speaker 1: In late nineteen seventy, Kissinger in Yah Yeah, began to
Speaker 1: make plans for a brokered secret meeting between the United
Speaker 1: States and China as a thank you for his help.
Speaker 1: In October of nineteen seventy, Yeah Yeah, got to visit
Speaker 1: the White House in person, where Nixon agreed to sell
Speaker 1: weapons to his country again. Now this is illegal because
Speaker 1: there's an arms embargo which does not get lifted, but
Speaker 1: they decide we'll just do it. It'll be a limited
Speaker 1: violation of I believe that there was a loophole for
Speaker 1: um Yeah. Have you got drunk with me? Um Born
Speaker 1: and Kanya quote from the Blood Telegram. Yeah Yeah. Got
Speaker 1: a reward for his efforts in late nineteen In late
Speaker 1: October nineteen seventy, when he met Nixon in the Oval
Speaker 1: office at the White House. In their last meeting before
Speaker 1: the crisis erupted, Nixon began to sell weapons to Yaya again,
Speaker 1: and what was officially built as a one time exception
Speaker 1: to the U. S. Arms embargo imposed on both India
Speaker 1: and Pakistan in nineteen sixty five. It was the kind
Speaker 1: of exception that demolishes the rule. That embargo had already
Speaker 1: been eroding under under Johnson. But now Yaya secured a
Speaker 1: moderately big hall, a harbinger of much larger ones likely
Speaker 1: to come. The promised weapons included six F one oh
Speaker 1: four fighter planes, seven B fifty seven bombers, and three
Speaker 1: armored personnel carriers. When I guess what's going to be
Speaker 1: done with the weapons, we send him nothing. Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1: Episodes done. Alright, we all had fun. Ah. In March
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy one, Mushibor who is the He's like
Speaker 1: the guy, the East Pakistani political leader write who runs
Speaker 1: this party that wins the elections. He meets with Yaya
Speaker 1: and Dhaka, which is the capital of East Pakistan, in
Speaker 1: an attempt to reach an agreement over the elections. Yaya
Speaker 1: had just decided to ignore at first, an agreement was
Speaker 1: already yeah electoral vous yeah um so at first yeah, yeas, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we settled things great. And then the very next day
Speaker 1: he has Mushibur arrested and send sixty thou soldiers into
Speaker 1: East Pakistan. Um now, actually, I say sins in. These
Speaker 1: guys have been slowly infiltrating the country for weeks by
Speaker 1: air because you have to like fly a man, right,
Speaker 1: they can't just like drive anywhere because there's India in
Speaker 1: between the two. They embarked on an operation called Searchlight.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote now from an article in
Speaker 1: the New Yorker. Firing squads spread out across East Pakistan,
Speaker 1: sometimes assisted by local collaborators from his Lamist groups that
Speaker 1: had been humiliated in the elections. In the countryside where
Speaker 1: the armed resistance was strongest, the Pakistani military burned and
Speaker 1: strafed villages, killing thousands and turning many more into refugees. Hindus,
Speaker 1: who composed more than ten percent of the population, were targeted.
Speaker 1: Their un muslimnus ascertained by a quick inspection underneath their clothing.
Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of women were raped in a campaign
Speaker 1: of terror. Bengali's also murdered and raped Urdu speaking Muslims,
Speaker 1: whom they suspect of being Fifth columnists. For West Pakistan.
Speaker 1: Archer Blood, the US Consul General Nandaca, among others, reported
Speaker 1: the slaughter of professors and students at Dhaka University an
Speaker 1: attempt to silence the intellectual class who had eloquently articulated
Speaker 1: Bengali grievances. So Archer Blood is in the Blood Telegram
Speaker 1: really goes into detail about this guy. One of the
Speaker 1: very few cases of a powerful state department, of a
Speaker 1: state department official with some power who's like a genuinely
Speaker 1: good person. Blood works all over for the state department name.
Speaker 1: He does have the worst Like he's like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I was like you should shoot fire arrows. He has
Speaker 1: opportunities to be in like what are considered more prestigious postings,
Speaker 1: including Greece, but he doesn't want to be in Greece
Speaker 1: because it's a CIA back dictatorship at this point. And
Speaker 1: ben Gal you know what becomes Bangladesh is like he
Speaker 1: feels like I can do something there. Right. It's this
Speaker 1: place that has a lot of like legitimate problems, but
Speaker 1: also there's this like burgeoning democratic movement and people are
Speaker 1: like taking and he's renowned in the area for like
Speaker 1: being incredibly social with Bengalis, you know, like his kids
Speaker 1: make friends with local children who live around. They invite
Speaker 1: them into their home and have slumber parties. Like he's
Speaker 1: just like a like a nice person, right, and they're
Speaker 1: not gonna rise to Yeah, who wants that guy? Blood
Speaker 1: sends a telegram to Nixon and Kissinger. Um, you know, Dave,
Speaker 1: when we tweeted about this, you asked, will there be blood?
Speaker 1: And I said there was going to be a blood telegram.
Speaker 1: This is what that is. Um. In the blood telegram,
Speaker 1: Archer Blood attacks the Nixon administration for their deafening silence
Speaker 1: towards the violence in Bangladesh and moral bankruptcy in the
Speaker 1: face of what he turned to genocide. And this gets
Speaker 1: signed by every diplomatic official who's in usin Daka. Um.
Speaker 1: This enrages Nixon, and Kissinger soothed his boss by saying
Speaker 1: that Consul in Dacca doesn't have the strongest nerves, basically like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's just he's just getting scared by a little massacre
Speaker 1: of all of the students. And Professor C. H. Blood.
Speaker 1: I can't I cannot believe his last name is Blood.
Speaker 1: Really would work better for my last name. You know
Speaker 1: why my last name is about kissing and he has
Speaker 1: blood kissing, you're kissing, I'm bloody the use um, Kissinger added,
Speaker 1: And this is him now talking about what Yahya is
Speaker 1: doing in East Pakistan. Quote, the use of power against
Speaker 1: seeming odds pays off. He's very impressed by the fact
Speaker 1: that that yeah, yeah, gains control of East Pakistan with
Speaker 1: just a few thousand soldiers. You know, he's really impressed.
Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of people get angry. You know. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the big people who's most vociferous in the
Speaker 1: US government against what's happening in East Pakistan is Ted Kennedy. Um.
Speaker 1: He is like a really like like takes this on
Speaker 1: as like a banner crusade. Um. So you know, once again,
Speaker 1: people get very angry at the administration for what's going on. Uh.
Speaker 1: Nixon tells Kissinger. Quote the people who bitch about Vietnam
Speaker 1: bitch about it because we intervened and what they say
Speaker 1: as a civil war. Now some of the same beasts
Speaker 1: want us to intervene here both civil wars. Is being like,
Speaker 1: see how inconsistent they are? Yeah, you know, pick what
Speaker 1: do you want do? You think selling arms to one
Speaker 1: side in a civil war might be intervening? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is it possible? We're not going to do that. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do that. Oh yeah, needs how many
Speaker 1: more muscles? So kissing your writes up a policy paper
Speaker 1: in which he urges the U s to quote make
Speaker 1: a serious effort to help Yaya into the war he'd started.
Speaker 1: And again, this isn't even really a civil war. East
Speaker 1: Pakistan isn't like mobilizing a vast army to fight for
Speaker 1: their independence they like voted and then kill them all
Speaker 1: civil it does they start to be guerrillas and like
Speaker 1: the Indian government starts sending weapons into like the guerilla
Speaker 1: fighters in East Pakistan, but like the massacres start first.
Speaker 1: Well and again I mean like so what you're saying there,
Speaker 1: he held an election. I mean this would be like
Speaker 1: if David Cameron just yeah, had tanks the day after
Speaker 1: bregsit Yeah yeah, yeah, god, that would I would have
Speaker 1: marginally better. I guess Britain somehow colonizes the EU. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Britain finally colonizes itself. I said that you
Speaker 1: work for us, body work for you? Now you do?
Speaker 1: We already did with British. You will work for the
Speaker 1: British now, yeah, and because of their Sandrist educations, Gareth,
Speaker 1: your same fake accent can work for Yaya lovely yea.
Speaker 1: So Jack on the mine, I think Nixon responds to
Speaker 1: Kissinger's policy paper with a handwritten note that he adds
Speaker 1: to the paper saying, don't squeeze ya ya at this time?
Speaker 1: Do you want to advice under normal circumstances in May?
Speaker 1: In May India, and this is you know, India. There's
Speaker 1: a degree of legitimate concern among Indian people for like
Speaker 1: the humanitarian crisis. There's also politically, there's tons of refugees,
Speaker 1: right and so there's also this like very blunt political like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't let this be happening because refugees are a
Speaker 1: political problem for us, right there. States. You know, nations
Speaker 1: don't make decisions ever because it's the right thing or
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to do. But India's broadly speaking on
Speaker 1: the right side of this one. I think that's fair
Speaker 1: to say. Um So, because they're watching what's happening. India
Speaker 1: starts massing troops on the border of East Pakistan in
Speaker 1: order to potentially intervene um but they don't do anything yet. Um.
Speaker 1: Nixon tells Kissinger to cut off economic aid to India
Speaker 1: if they intervene in this genocide, and Kissinger responds, quote,
Speaker 1: the last thing we can afford to do and now
Speaker 1: is to have the Pakistani government overthrown, given the other
Speaker 1: things that we are doing. This is a clear reference
Speaker 1: to their their plans to meet with China right these
Speaker 1: very directly saying the reason we can't let anything happen
Speaker 1: to Yaya's government, even though they're carrying out a genocide,
Speaker 1: is because we need him to get to China. Um. Now.
Speaker 1: Kissinger follows this up with a sop to Nixon's racism,
Speaker 1: calling Indians quote the most aggressive goddamn people around there. Again.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously like the projection is obviously insane.
Speaker 1: Nixon responds by telling Kissinger that what India needs is
Speaker 1: a mass famine. Kissinger she Kissinger does not disagree, and
Speaker 1: he follows up by saying India has no right to
Speaker 1: invade another country. Quote no matter what Pakistan doesn't, it's territory.
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, I'm gonna take a five. You guys
Speaker 1: can keep going. I'm gonna take a five. You guys
Speaker 1: keep going. Now, that's fine. I'm gonna got real concerned
Speaker 1: about national sovereignty. Can you imagine someone doing something like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can discuss, given the history of the United States
Speaker 1: of the whole, who gets to fairly complain about violations
Speaker 1: of national sovereignty? But definitely not Henry Kissinger. Like everhere,
Speaker 1: not this guy. Right, It's like the fucking dudes from
Speaker 1: the Bush administration yelling at like what Russia is doing
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, not that the Russian actions in it is
Speaker 1: like no, not you, not you. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people we don't want to hear from that. You're
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Um, So Kissinger assures his boss. Besides, the
Speaker 1: killing has stopped, so it's fine. It had not. As
Speaker 1: a head said, nuts, it has not. In April of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy month, which is, by the way, the you
Speaker 1: know Archer Blood, the State Department official who does everything
Speaker 1: possible to get the US to act, Kissinger and Nixon
Speaker 1: fire him, get him immediately. Gotta get that guy out
Speaker 1: of there, right, he's terrible. He doesn't know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah. Now, in April of nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: the same month as the Blood Telegram, and Nixon receives
Speaker 1: his official invitation from the Chinese, from the Chinese government,
Speaker 1: and it's again, it's a secret invitation, right, you know,
Speaker 1: everything's because they don't know that it's gonna like work.
Speaker 1: You can't just have Nixon go to China first. You
Speaker 1: have to send someone ahead of time to handle early negotiations.
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a whole process. It's a China. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pre China. You gotta yeah, you gotta loub
Speaker 1: up your China before you get that dick. Yeah, before
Speaker 1: you get that dick in there. Actually, that's right. Um. Nixon,
Speaker 1: gleeful tells Kissinger to go Kissinger is the lube in
Speaker 1: this situation, tells Kissinger to go in secretly and handle
Speaker 1: these early negotiations. He claims that this visit to China
Speaker 1: they're planning will be a quote, a great watershed in history,
Speaker 1: perhaps clearly the greatest since World War Two, And that's
Speaker 1: what Nixon says. Kissinger, being a kiss ass, responds by saying, no, no,
Speaker 1: it'll be the greatest since the Civil War. I mean,
Speaker 1: my god, the idea that you're following that up with, no. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So July came and Kissingers set off for Southeast Asian
Speaker 1: what was billed as a diplomatic tour of the region,
Speaker 1: but obviously is in reality a secret diplomatic mission code
Speaker 1: named Oh Boy, Operation Marco Polo. For fox sake, I mean,
Speaker 1: at least just get a better marketing. It's like Nixon,
Speaker 1: NI listened to me, Marco Polo. First on the water, Marco.
Speaker 1: So Nixon visits India and then he flies to West
Speaker 1: Pakistan Um and shortly after landing, he drinking. He fakes
Speaker 1: the stomach bug to get his stomach pumped. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: So he's like, tell everybody, I'm shooting. Yeah, tell everyone
Speaker 1: I'm pooping. Tell him I'm on the toilet shooting my
Speaker 1: brains out. So he cancels. Kissinger cancels a couple of
Speaker 1: days of planned meetings, and then while he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be sick, he boards in secret especial plane flies from
Speaker 1: Islamabad to Beijing. Now I'm gonna quote from a rite
Speaker 1: up in The Daily Star, which was an Indian newspaper
Speaker 1: that summarizes what happens next. During Kissinger's China visit, both
Speaker 1: sides discussed a variety of issues. Kissinger found Zawin Lai,
Speaker 1: who had studied in France and Germany from nineteen nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty three to be a very articulate person who could
Speaker 1: converse even in German Kissinger's mother tongue with ease. Both
Speaker 1: leaders agreed on recognizing Communist China as the only China
Speaker 1: and allotting a permanent seat in the u u N
Speaker 1: Security Council to Beijing instead of Taiwan. The situation in
Speaker 1: the Indian subcontinent was discussed into tail on which they
Speaker 1: had similar views, with both expressing their own wavering support
Speaker 1: to Pakistan. Zao brief Kissinger about the Indo Chinese border
Speaker 1: skirmishes and brave and blamed India for provocations. Both leaders
Speaker 1: had complete convergence of views on Yaya stand on the
Speaker 1: Bangladesh issue. Kissinger flew back to Paris and reached Washington
Speaker 1: on July. So, okay, good, I mean like again, like, yes,
Speaker 1: they should be talking. Yes, this is fine. Yes. If
Speaker 1: you're going to have a security council, Jan should probably
Speaker 1: sit on it rather than fucking Taiwan. Um. Also, it's
Speaker 1: just a shame that it needs to come from mainly alcoholics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that. In order to make the right decisions, it
Speaker 1: needs to come on the back of genocides and blackouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like I feel like probably if the Nixon administration
Speaker 1: had had just like announced publicly through like the global media,
Speaker 1: we're we were wrong the United States and our policy
Speaker 1: towards Taiwan, and we want to recognize China and establish
Speaker 1: relationships with them and put them on the you if
Speaker 1: they just like said that in like a news thing,
Speaker 1: probably China would have been like, oh, okay, this all
Speaker 1: could have happened. But but that also would have looked
Speaker 1: weak by the standards of like politics, right, it would
Speaker 1: have looked like begging. And so they're not going to
Speaker 1: do that. They're going to do this instead because it
Speaker 1: it looks for the base, who you know, just wanted
Speaker 1: Vietnamese and can't Bundy people to be fucking massacred so
Speaker 1: they'd feel better, like, yeah, it's the base, we're talking
Speaker 1: about base blood. And they fired him. That's really So
Speaker 1: when he got back to d C and sat down
Speaker 1: with his boss, Kissinger excitedly relayed the story of the
Speaker 1: cloak and Dagger exercise. That's he's very excited that he
Speaker 1: got to deal with James bond Um, he tells Kissinger
Speaker 1: or Kissinger tells Nixon quote, Yah, yah, hasn't had such
Speaker 1: fun since the last Hindu massacre. Oh there needs you
Speaker 1: need you just like bring in another I mean, blood
Speaker 1: would have been a good person. But there just needs
Speaker 1: to be a regular persons like, Hey, I'm sorry, we
Speaker 1: can't talk like that. You guys keep really comfy with
Speaker 1: this language. Is it's really not okay? Yeah, nobody says that.
Speaker 1: Goddam there has to be like some motherfucker cleaning up.
Speaker 1: Nixon's like puke in the corner. Just a janitor who
Speaker 1: just like quietly shakes his head every time. Yeah to camera, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got a gym in there. Yeah, so that the bartender,
Speaker 1: but no wing bar tender. Just imagine that coming out
Speaker 1: of your mouth. Yeah, you're you can't. It's not a
Speaker 1: joke when you say that while there's a genocide going on. Enocide,
Speaker 1: So that sounds a lot about it. You celebrating a
Speaker 1: guy killing people. You realize how cool you gotta look.
Speaker 1: I don't have a friend, but if I did so um.
Speaker 1: On July nineteen seventy one, Richard Nixon addressed the United
Speaker 1: States and told everyone that Henry Kissinger had just conducted
Speaker 1: a secret mission which had concluded with an agreement for
Speaker 1: Nixon to travel to Beijing and negotiate. By this point,
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi civilians were dead and more
Speaker 1: than a million had been made refugees. India was edging
Speaker 1: closer and closer to war over the whole matter, and
Speaker 1: it was the considered opinion of the defense establishment that
Speaker 1: they would win fairly easily. India had started arming the
Speaker 1: Bengali guerrilla fighters at this point, and during one meeting
Speaker 1: on the matter, Nixon described Indians as quote a slippery,
Speaker 1: treacherous people who would like nothing better than to use
Speaker 1: this tragedy to destroy Pakistan. So Fox, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't even talk about I mean, it's like you can't
Speaker 1: even say shit anymore. Yeah, it's just it's just insane.
Speaker 1: Not yeah, yeah, it's just it's just so crazy. How
Speaker 1: this this you know, this is imperialism, colonialist language. It's
Speaker 1: just never faded. No, No, it's just always guys in power.
Speaker 1: They've been talking like this is the fucking it's never stopped.
Speaker 1: It's the I mean, this guy's not you couldn't really
Speaker 1: call him in power, but it's that fucking journalist for
Speaker 1: whoever talking about like Ukraine and like this is the
Speaker 1: first war between civilizations, Like what the fuck do you know?
Speaker 1: It's quite different to see people who are white in
Speaker 1: European do it. That feels quite different. And the way
Speaker 1: he's carefully that journalists you're talking about the way he's
Speaker 1: carefully picking his language, and he's like, you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is your thoughtful version, your delicate statement. He cut
Speaker 1: the slurs out, you know. Yeah, it was like, gotta
Speaker 1: be carefully, I'm gonna say some dirty words because Nixon
Speaker 1: and they absolute at least say yeah. Um. So the
Speaker 1: outcry domestically and internationally reaches a fever pitch at this
Speaker 1: point kind of late summer nineteen seventy one, and in August,
Speaker 1: the escalating crisis pushes India to sign a formal treaty
Speaker 1: of friendship with the Soviet Union. Anti communists Nixon included
Speaker 1: considered this a disaster and as good as an end
Speaker 1: to India's neutrality, but condemning yah yah or stopping the
Speaker 1: sale of US weapons to a country committing genocide was
Speaker 1: not considered an option. Yeah Yeah had to be kept
Speaker 1: in power until the China trip was conclusively locked down.
Speaker 1: The blood telegram After a while after Kissinger returned from Beijing,
Speaker 1: he said, we cannot turn on Pakistan, and I think
Speaker 1: it would have disastrous consequences with China that after they
Speaker 1: gave us an airport, we massacre them. In this case,
Speaker 1: for Kissinger, massacre meant putting pressure on a government, not
Speaker 1: the actual massacres. I mean they've done so many massacres
Speaker 1: that massacres aren't massacres anymore. Yeah, this is the only thing,
Speaker 1: Henry Kisses, you're ever described as a massacre people to
Speaker 1: to Nixon's drunk genocide. But Nixon, meanwhile, I was committing
Speaker 1: a genocide. That's good. That's good that you know what,
Speaker 1: somebody make a Nixon themed gin cocktail genocide. It should
Speaker 1: be red in color pineapples, A little bit of a
Speaker 1: little bit of your own puke from the first simple So.
Speaker 1: Also in August, George Harrison and Ravi Shankar organized a
Speaker 1: benefit concert in New York supporting relief efforts in Bangladesh.
Speaker 1: Nixon brushed this off to Kissinger, saying, quote by Afra
Speaker 1: stirred up a few Catholics. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: by Afra stirred people up more than Pakistan because Pakistan.
Speaker 1: They're just a bunch of goddamn brown Muslims for fu
Speaker 1: sa fucking Christ. Yeah, well, if we need to bomb
Speaker 1: the Beatles, yea, the Beetle the only one we could
Speaker 1: keep his ringo. He seems like we could maybe shift him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back again. I mean, it's like you, you would
Speaker 1: expect and again, I mean, or at least in my head,
Speaker 1: at some point, you would expect someone to just be like, guys,
Speaker 1: what the fu And at least even if it didn't
Speaker 1: even if it didn't really change anything, it would at
Speaker 1: least change the casual language. And racism is just kind
Speaker 1: of tossed around, or someone would be like, hey, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be recording all this. Yeah, boy, you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: recording all this. Dickyould, I had stop on this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Nixon administration Nixon did Xon was like, I think
Speaker 1: we got a mall and it might be drunk me.
Speaker 1: I think the black out raised recording us. We did
Speaker 1: a final war on night Nixon. On October, the People's
Speaker 1: Republic of China was admitted to the UN as a
Speaker 1: permanent member of the Security Council again. They seedy been
Speaker 1: occupied for Taiwan by years, Taiwan gets like let out
Speaker 1: very unceremoniously, China gets put in place. The People's Republic
Speaker 1: of China's representatives celebrates with a vocal attack on quote
Speaker 1: American imperialists and they're running dogs. But nobody took this seriously.
Speaker 1: It was generally referred to as firing by empty cannons.
Speaker 1: You know, you're China, you gotta get you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta throw out your attack on the U S. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's getting along at this moment. By November again,
Speaker 1: we when we we just talked about the guy who
Speaker 1: built that giant mountain sized cannon for Saddam. Like not
Speaker 1: long after this, the CIA is like illegally helping that
Speaker 1: arms designers subvert international treaties to sell cannons to China
Speaker 1: because China's you know, not on good terms with the
Speaker 1: USS are. It's all just like brinksmanship. Political function doesn't
Speaker 1: match up with some of the history in this country,
Speaker 1: that's right, So uh yeah this. By November of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one, more than ten million people had been made
Speaker 1: refugees by the violence in Bangladesh. Jeoffrey Davis, a doctor
Speaker 1: who was brought into the country by the UN later
Speaker 1: to perform late term abortions on rape victims. Again, this
Speaker 1: is like so part of what happens is the systemic
Speaker 1: mass rape by Pakistani soldiers of Bangladeshi women. They the
Speaker 1: u N brings a doctor in afterwards to like perform
Speaker 1: the abortions on these rape victims. The estimate before this
Speaker 1: doctor comes in is that between two hundred and four
Speaker 1: hundred thousand Bengali women had been raped, and Jeffrey Davis says, oh,
Speaker 1: it's way more than that. Oh my god, it's much
Speaker 1: more than that. The CIA estimates two hundred thousand civilians
Speaker 1: are murdered in this period. Given where the U S
Speaker 1: stands on this issue, you might not want to trust
Speaker 1: the CIA's numbers. Now. The Soviet newspaper Pravda estimates some
Speaker 1: three million dead, which is also likely not entirely accurate,
Speaker 1: but it's probably closer than the CIA's numbers. Credible low
Speaker 1: estimates of the death toll are over half a million.
Speaker 1: It is very likely that between one and two million
Speaker 1: Bengalis were murdered. One and a half million is often
Speaker 1: what you will hear, um probably pretty fair, although any
Speaker 1: kind of exact count is obviously impossible. But this is
Speaker 1: a git acide on the Titanic scale. You know. In December,
Speaker 1: West Pakistan declared war on India. Remember, yeah, yeah, is
Speaker 1: not good at things? Um so, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's again breakfast k crazy shit. So their man declares
Speaker 1: war again, yah Ya declares war. That's right, yeah, Nixon
Speaker 1: and kissing your blame this on Indira Gandhi. This is
Speaker 1: why I kind of woman in India. Nixon tells Henry
Speaker 1: that it makes your heart sick to see Pakistan be
Speaker 1: done so by the Indians. And after we have after
Speaker 1: we've warned the bitch, after sorry, I cut you off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and after we have warned the bitch, I mean again,
Speaker 1: it's like you're not in a tavern. This is the
Speaker 1: fucking White House. Should we put that in a fresh
Speaker 1: in an official press statement. Let's talk about it in
Speaker 1: the morning. Then let's call her a horror. Then let's
Speaker 1: just yah Yah proved to be as bad at war
Speaker 1: as he was good at being friends with Dick Nixon.
Speaker 1: The Indian military curb stomps Pakistan. I cannot exaggerate the
Speaker 1: degree to which these guys get their asses handed to them.
Speaker 1: Within a week, it is clear that not only is
Speaker 1: what West Pakistan going to lose the war, but Pakistan
Speaker 1: might not survive as a country as a result of
Speaker 1: how badly they're being beaten. Right, Yeah, yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: good at anything. Yeah. I want to quote now from
Speaker 1: a write up by an Indian veteran. It's very good
Speaker 1: at drinking. He's really pretty good drinking. How do you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I said, I was sorry. So I want to quote
Speaker 1: now from a write up by an Indian veteran of
Speaker 1: the conflict for Indie TV, which is another Indian news periodical,
Speaker 1: December eight. This Pakistani defenses in East Pakistan. We're following.
Speaker 1: Before the onslaught of the Joint Command of the Indian
Speaker 1: Army and Bangladeshi Mukti Bahini liberation warriors, Richard Nixon and
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger were busy plotting ways to change the tide
Speaker 1: of war or arrest it. Henry Kissinger, in a meeting
Speaker 1: with Richard Nixon an Attorney General Newton Mitchell, now to classified,
Speaker 1: said he has got a message for you to you
Speaker 1: from the shot of Iran, which says he can send
Speaker 1: the ammunition to a beleaguered Pakistan. He is doing it now.
Speaker 1: What is good? I mean, who can help us here?
Speaker 1: The Shah of Iran, the level of lord to stop war? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was. It was another piece of ship we
Speaker 1: can bring in all this. The brilliant diplomat also revealed
Speaker 1: that Iran will send fighter planes to protect Jordan from Israel,
Speaker 1: while Jordan will send jets to Pakistan for the war
Speaker 1: effort against India. Honestly, what is It's? How like an
Speaker 1: NFL trade works? Yeah? How could you have thought this
Speaker 1: would work? I mean, it's a it's a drunk game
Speaker 1: of risk. Yeah it is. He's just wasted playing risk. Um.
Speaker 1: The US National Security Advisor also expressed fear that India
Speaker 1: would attack West Pakistan in a major way after winning
Speaker 1: the war in the east. The Indian plan is now clear.
Speaker 1: This is Kissinger. They're going to move their forces from
Speaker 1: East Pakistan to the west. They will then smash the
Speaker 1: Pakistan land forces and air forces, annex the Pakistan occupied
Speaker 1: part of Kashmir, and then call it off Warrant Henry Kissinger.
Speaker 1: When this has happened, the centrifical forces in West Pakistan
Speaker 1: would be liberated, but Lukastan on the northwest frontier will
Speaker 1: celebrate West Pakistan would become a sort of intricate Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: So this is Henry's Afghanistan. That's Henry's concern. So he
Speaker 1: insists this is enough of a disaster that the US
Speaker 1: has to send the Seventh Fleet into the Bay of
Speaker 1: Bengal in order to scare India. The Seventh is headed
Speaker 1: by the U. S. S Enterprise and is widely considered
Speaker 1: to be the most powerful naval force on Earth. This
Speaker 1: prompts the Russians to send a fleet in as well,
Speaker 1: and the world gets to live through another period of
Speaker 1: are we going to have a nuclear war? Um Kissinger,
Speaker 1: because he's real good at calming people down, encourages China
Speaker 1: to intervene against India and, in Nixon's words, quote, scare
Speaker 1: those goddamn Indians to death. China is like, you, maybe
Speaker 1: we should go back to the Taiwan thing. It actually
Speaker 1: seemed to be this na be a little seemed to
Speaker 1: be pretty good. Actually that was working a little better,
Speaker 1: I think for you guys. Now you're in hell. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the end, Kissinger's plan failed. India does not take
Speaker 1: his bait, and in late December, Pakistan surrenders to India.
Speaker 1: East Pakistan because its own independent nation Bangladesh. Yah Yah
Speaker 1: is forced out of office and placed under house arrest,
Speaker 1: where he suffers a stroke. Um, so that's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come back. But it's called the comeback kid. Oh you
Speaker 1: mean I can't leave. It'll be fine. So Kissinger claims,
Speaker 1: this whole state of affairs, how this all resolves, is
Speaker 1: a victory for the Nixon administration announces. He announces this
Speaker 1: by saying, congratulations, Mr President, you saved West Pakistan. What
Speaker 1: time last night you saved West Packing? Amazing? I mean it,
Speaker 1: I mean two months you didn't. Gratulations being said. Amazing. Now,
Speaker 1: two months after the end of the war, Nixon makes
Speaker 1: his big visit to China. The media eats it up,
Speaker 1: and suddenly Nixon's re election campaign has something to hang
Speaker 1: their hats on. Beyond claims that peace and Vietnam is
Speaker 1: going to happen one of these days. The taunt with
Speaker 1: the Soviets is announced soon after. Right, they do like
Speaker 1: they're good things. Obviously it's good. Like this happens, good
Speaker 1: things result from it. Um. During a conversation later that year,
Speaker 1: Kissinger tells his boss, no one has yet understood what
Speaker 1: we did in India Pakistan and how we saved the
Speaker 1: China option, which we need for the blood Russians. Why
Speaker 1: should we give a damn about Bangladesh? Well there you go.
Speaker 1: That says uh, that says it all right. Yeah, nobody's
Speaker 1: congratulating us on how good of a job we did. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean in their opinion and their track record of
Speaker 1: foreign policy, it's all about egg breaking, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: for whatever version of omelet they insist they're serving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, man, I agree us. You know,
Speaker 1: Malan fucking uh kissing you or mawen. Nixon should have
Speaker 1: sat down and talked like all of these conversations shouldn't happened.
Speaker 1: Did talk with Russia? Good? I feel like you didn't
Speaker 1: need to back a genocide to make that happen, you know,
Speaker 1: like that wasn't a necessary ingredient. It's it's easy to
Speaker 1: look back on a genocide and go was this right
Speaker 1: or wrong? But when you're in the middle of a genocide,
Speaker 1: you're like, this seems pretty okay. I'm getting I'm getting
Speaker 1: which genocide are you on? How else can I talk
Speaker 1: to people? I'm having koonyak with ya ya flying the child,
Speaker 1: But I'm here, I'm pretty much blackout drunk for all
Speaker 1: of those. Pretty good for a guy, Okay, I walk
Speaker 1: on a straight line. Yeah, it's anyway, that's how Henry
Speaker 1: Kissinger made peace between the nuclear powers that one. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is the most chaotic, insane, fucking nonsense. It's just crazy. No,
Speaker 1: I really it is on a level where I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been hard to process the whole time,
Speaker 1: but now it's like it's normalized and you're seeing the
Speaker 1: version when they're sort of they're the training wheels have
Speaker 1: been taken off. How much they are actually doing and
Speaker 1: getting away with in way like again, I mean, just
Speaker 1: to have an adult in the room. Um, but I
Speaker 1: mean they fired, you fired the adult obviously. But it
Speaker 1: is it is. I mean, it just is absolutely fucking
Speaker 1: preposterous that this is not well known about or even
Speaker 1: if it even if it is well known. How the
Speaker 1: funk Kissinger keeps showing up over and over again. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: with all these people that people that that that people
Speaker 1: are sickophants for for in our in our politics. No,
Speaker 1: I can never I can never get over the fact
Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton was campaigning with him, yeah, and that
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, look, who's back shady one of
Speaker 1: the things that so this doesn't really like mark on
Speaker 1: like the moral list of things that he did wrong.
Speaker 1: But I just find it so shameful that like, again,
Speaker 1: you have all of these other people, like all of
Speaker 1: the hooks we've talked about, like yeah, yeah, like Nixon,
Speaker 1: who do horrible things in it, but are like also
Speaker 1: getting to like exercising power and like the big men
Speaker 1: and like you know, the dudes that the like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, they're they're not like sycophants, whereas Henry is
Speaker 1: just sort of like sucking up to everyone around him
Speaker 1: in order to further war crimes. Which again, yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't isn't It doesn't rate discussing on a moral level
Speaker 1: compared to everything else. It just is like that's the guy.
Speaker 1: He is. Yeah, he's just like a power he's just
Speaker 1: like he is not I mean and also, and I
Speaker 1: don't mean to keep beating this drum, but they're drunk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I don't think Kissinger is but nixons what I mean, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah is a Nixon is a Kissinger is not. And
Speaker 1: he's still like that's a pretty good idea. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's be like it would be like if you're around
Speaker 1: like like you're in a car ride to Florida with
Speaker 1: three drunk guys and they're just like, hey, well what
Speaker 1: do we drink last night? The one guys like I
Speaker 1: have a drink, but let's go to Florida. Um. God,
Speaker 1: it's man and the blatant racism as far as like
Speaker 1: who you're willing to sacrifice, I mean, you know as
Speaker 1: usual kiss country where yeah, you just you really do
Speaker 1: not give a funk. They really just literally do not
Speaker 1: care about anybody who's not They just don't care. Why
Speaker 1: why would they? I mean, if you're them, there's no
Speaker 1: referee in this game, so foul. As much as you
Speaker 1: want fucking to fucking you know, grow up with the
Speaker 1: Nazis right there and watch the Holocaust and then Dave
Speaker 1: to his childhood, he didn't was not affected by this
Speaker 1: child That's true. Sorry going back to that, but that
Speaker 1: that again, we've we've sort of knocked that domino down.
Speaker 1: That did not happen, Like it never occurred. It didn't happen. Clearly, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know that's why. Look, that's why he's fine with
Speaker 1: what's happening in Bangladesh. She knows it's not going to
Speaker 1: affect those kids, the ones who five, those who lived
Speaker 1: through history are doomed to repeat it because it was fine,
Speaker 1: because it was completely fine. It was fine. Why because
Speaker 1: I said so? Yeah? Uh? Anyway, I just I just
Speaker 1: typed in Kissinger's name in to Google, and the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes up is you pile vomit? Oh god,
Speaker 1: what did he say? Fucking we don't settle the k
Speaker 1: crisis start at the end. I don't even want to know. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: still nonsense, Like, of course, yes, it would be great
Speaker 1: to start at the point where there's not a war,
Speaker 1: but that's not really helpful and right, Yeah, yeah, thanks buddy, Yeah, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: he's on the same thing. Yeah, he's he's doing kissing,
Speaker 1: like what it doesn't matter, Like obviously when you say
Speaker 1: there's point things like the fucking nuclear disarmament where like
Speaker 1: you can find moments in history where he's right, It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if if he's right or wrong about a
Speaker 1: specific issue, because we see what he actually does, which
Speaker 1: is whatever it takes to keep himself close to power,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't believe anything to the extent that he's
Speaker 1: ever right or a part of something good, like arms reductions.
Speaker 1: It's because that's the thing that the people who he's
Speaker 1: sycophants to want to do. And it doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: he supported the opposite thing for years, like because he
Speaker 1: doesn't care, because it's a parasite just looking for a Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like I don't get him credit for anything,
Speaker 1: Like it's funny. It's funny you say that because all
Speaker 1: these articles about about what he said about Ukraine in
Speaker 1: two fourteen, so people are going back to like he said,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, I know that guy's if only
Speaker 1: he thought to start at the end of the war,
Speaker 1: if only we thought of that, Henry great point, Henry solid,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start. We're gonna start to go fund me
Speaker 1: to get you bones. Yeah, oh god, I who Lord.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't die immediately, obviously him dying immediately is
Speaker 1: my primary hope. But I hope if he doesn't die immediately,
Speaker 1: he lasts long enough to get sucked into one crypto scam,
Speaker 1: you know, just one good cryptocurrency scam. Can we get that?
Speaker 1: At least I want him to start his own crypto
Speaker 1: called hank Bank. Heck of about ago, I am no
Speaker 1: bull blockchain you can buy a piece of my skin.
Speaker 1: Each in ft represents an individual. You well, time Richard
Speaker 1: Nixon vomited into my lap, I've become a n f
Speaker 1: t oh god, well all right, well well done again
Speaker 1: anything here? I mean again, it's getting harder. All right.
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