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Speaker 1: me very happy. Man. Yeah yeah, yeah, how how we all?

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Speaker 1: This is behind the dollar bastards, Dollar bastards. This is

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Speaker 1: those those dollar bastards. So, I don't know, what do

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Speaker 1: you guys think out of all of the characters y'all

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Speaker 1: have covered, who do you think Kissinger gets along with? Best? God?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a tough one, that judge and Textas

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Speaker 1: with the Bear, the Bear he definitely gets along with.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely guys like you know, the guys who did

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Speaker 1: the filibustering Walker and those guys who just love to

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Speaker 1: just take over other countries. People. There's not We've never

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Speaker 1: experienced this level of casualty. This is I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: like there are evil, it's it's the spray of your

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Speaker 1: evil that is so remarkable about this. The ability to

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Speaker 1: darkness is uh. I it's a little you know, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's you know again, I mean we've covered

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Speaker 1: evil motherfucker's but I don't think they've been able to

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Speaker 1: a rare talent at a rare time, on a rare team.

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Speaker 1: I would put uh Yon uh Peter Zoon Cohen who

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of people. Yeah, the the killing

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Speaker 1: because we're white Americans, yeah, um, or just white people

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Speaker 1: It's Jackson. I would put up there with Jackson. He's

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Speaker 1: white supremacy Hitler and his Hitler stuff, you know, maw

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Speaker 1: he's not like attempting society. Yeah. I guess that's the

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Speaker 1: getting back to like Walter from the Big Lebowski logic,

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Speaker 1: But like, at least those other war criminals had an ethos. Yeah, yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: declares martial law. Yeah. Riots follow. The leader of the

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Speaker 1: Owami League, a guy named Shaik Mujibur Rahman I, apologize

425
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: for what is surely a mispronunciation declared a civil disobedience movement.

426
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Speaker 1: It was into this volatile situation that Henry Kissinger stepped

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Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen Now, he and Nixon had

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Speaker 1: pretty good relations with West Pakistan's government, which is at

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Speaker 1: this point, you know, just ya ya. They were loath

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Speaker 1: to trust India since it was non aligned. Nixon also

431
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: was very racist and hated the fact that India's democracy

432
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: was popular among Americans, while the country maintained close ties

433
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Speaker 1: with the USSR, he once told Yahya quote, there is

434
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Speaker 1: a psychosis in this country about India. Now, a big

435
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: part of Nixon's hatred of India is that it's led

436
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Speaker 1: by a woman, Indira Gandhi. Oh yeah, we'll be talking

437
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: more about that in a second. Yahya, on the other hand,

438
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: is one of the few people on planet Earth that

439
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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon comes to consider as a friend, one of

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Speaker 1: Nixon's one of Yeah, I they're both drunk assholes. They

441
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Speaker 1: don't remember the friendship that God was it important to

442
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: the um. One of Kissinger's aids later said of the situation.

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Speaker 1: They liked him. He was a soldier, he had style,

444
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Speaker 1: He was kind of a jaunty guy. Uh this this aide.

445
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Hodgkinson admits that Yahya was not very smart, but says

446
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Speaker 1: that for Nixon and Kissinger, he was a man's man.

447
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't some woman running a country. Right. But it

448
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: sounds like we're talking about how people talking about Yelson, Right,

449
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: He's a man's man as he sees the Secret Services

450
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: tracking him down drunk in the middle of d C. Yeah, yeah, Yelson,

451
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: who was passed out on the plane. I forget he

452
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Speaker 1: was supposed to meet and he was passed that on

453
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Speaker 1: the plane and they were like, Boris, Boris, and he's like, no, notes,

454
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Speaker 1: Boris non if Look, if if if we had kept

455
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Speaker 1: every world leader after that point to the standards of

456
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: drunkenness that Yelson set, we wouldn't be having this war

457
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: right now, I'll tell you that much. We might have

458
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Speaker 1: had other wars. Well, some weird in the middle of

459
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: the night too, and he'd be like, dropped the nuke,

460
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, and they'd be like, buddy, like the next

461
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: day but I don't remember what I said. They're like,

462
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: thank god. Yeah, we need to institute a mandatory drink

463
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: minimum for all elected leaders in this country. Bush sobriety

464
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: did not help. If you can't force term limits, you

465
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: can force liver cancer. Yes, we can. We can brute

466
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: force our way into getting him out of office after

467
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: a year. Two. Hey, do you know who else can

468
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: force liver cancer? Oh? Well, we are sponsored by stolych

469
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Naya vodka, which is now illegal in several states for

470
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: reasons about It's remarkable. It's like, it's just how are

471
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: we so dumb? Are we so dumb? It's amazing that

472
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: in this like deeply ugly and complicated situation, where large

473
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Speaker 1: numbers of people are suffering, Americans recognize that the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do is destroyed bottles of domestically the country

475
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Speaker 1: is involved in the conflict, They're they're taking Finnish vodka

476
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: and just throwing it into the streets. Great country. Here's

477
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: some other ads. Ah, we're back man man. So this

478
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: is not a Nixon mini series, but in order to

479
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: talk about the friendship, the deep and abiding love that

480
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: the two men had, there is an incredible paragraph from

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Speaker 1: the book The Blood Telegram by Gary Bass that I'm

482
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: going to read now. Despite all his global FaceTime, Nixon

483
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: was a solitary, awkward, reclusive man. Kissinger, who could not

484
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Speaker 1: bring himself to say that he was fond of the president,

485
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: once famously asked, can you imagine what this man would

486
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: have been had somebody loved him? Oh? My god, Kissinger, Kissinger,

487
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: that's the saddest thing I can imagine. You're being like

488
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: nobody really like, if only someone had loved this man,

489
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: who haven't met anyone who had the blood? Can you imagine?

490
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: Nixon's only true friend was Babe Roboso, a Florida banker.

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00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: He said, it doesn't come natural to me to be

492
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: a buddy, buddy boy. Even hr Holdeman, the White House

493
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: chief of staff, worried that the Boss was too much

494
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: in his own head and once tried to find the

495
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: President a friend, tracking down an oil man whom Nixon

496
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: had reportedly liked in his Los Angeles days, and him

497
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: in a bogus White House. Okay, listen, listen, listen, listen.

498
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: The movie needs to be written. It's like driving Miss Daisy,

499
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: but with a body count. Yeah, I love you, Yeah,

500
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: I love you, man with war crimes. Yeah. Okay. So,

501
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: so James Franco is someone in this movie. So I'm

502
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna work in the White House, but I

503
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: can't act like I'm there to meet him, even though

504
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: that's my whole thing is that's right. So yeah, So

505
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm just good at so. So, so I have to

506
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: like try to get in. Just drink with him, Just

507
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: drink with him and eat pineapple and whatever he wants

508
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: to do, just do it. He's gonna he's gonna want

509
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: to put weird things in pineapple. He's gonna get really

510
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: drunk and cry on your shoulder. He's got a bomb.

511
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: Several Southeast Asians, are you guys talking about? Sorry, okay, fella,

512
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: like your face. My name, my name is Bobby, and

513
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I sorry my my pineapple And for lunch, I have

514
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: pineapple and cottage cheese every day and it's it's it

515
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: just got out of my best meals. Absolutely the best

516
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: lunch tray you listen to. That's all I eat in between,

517
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: in between just guzzling vodka. That's generally what I have.

518
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Am I on a cand of camera something you guys

519
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: around are you talking about? I mean, my heart is it?

520
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: But I feel I need to lay down. P oh god,

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00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: you're great. I You're my favorite president, and thank you

522
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: for killing so many people. If you're hr Halderman, right,

523
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: how do you recognize that you are trying to make

524
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: play dates for a man? It's bombing illegally multiple nations

525
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: and not go democracy and all politics as a sham.

526
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I must go down in flames to take everyone out

527
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: around me, because that is the only justice that can

528
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: be achieved. Is like and the bubble that the Good

529
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: Witch and the Wizard of Oz lives in, Like he's

530
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: on that level of It's like at some point you

531
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Speaker 1: have to wake up and be like, Okay, look these

532
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: guys are bombing the ship out of country, and my

533
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: goal is to find the president a buddy. Yeah yeah,

534
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I have to get him a friend. I'm looking, I'm

535
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: trying to get him a friend. He might do something

536
00:30:48,480 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: crazy if it doesn't happen any oh, god crazy. I

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00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: just it's great. It's just it's just like you have

538
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a president who doesn't have a friend. Like that's what

539
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: presid who doesn't have a friend. And that's a big

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00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: part of why when it comes to deciding who should

541
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: be the US intermediary to talk with maw yeah yeah,

542
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: wins out over Cichesko because Nixon likes ya. You know.

543
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: That's that's about That's a big part of it, not

544
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: the whole reason, but that's a big part of it.

545
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Now and again, let's just let's remind everybody it was great,

546
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: so I can't flawless flawless man. Also, by the way,

547
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: great death. If we are going to talk about punishing

548
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: death a lot more, I'll go so far as to

549
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: say most of the people we name in these episodes

550
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: could have handled a Chowchesco. Absolutely a bad way for

551
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Speaker 1: him to go out. Um So when it comes to

552
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: time to decide, yes anyway, they go with yeah, yeah, Now,

553
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: by one again. Spring of seventy one is when all

554
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: of this political stuff with East Pakistan's coming to have

555
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: these protests are happening. You know, things are on the brink.

556
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: They're of kind of like a civil conflict. Kissinger has

557
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: been the center of US policy for three years at

558
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: this point, right U s foreign policy, and folks in

559
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: d C by seventy one are amazed at the degree

560
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: to which he has centralized power. His junior Southeast Asia

561
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: aide Sam Hoskinson recalled, the power was there, he was

562
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: gathering it up. You felt like you were at the

563
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: political center of the universe, he and the president. That

564
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: was where the decisions were made. What it sounds like

565
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: a democracy to me, baby. And you know what, instead

566
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: of getting away from that, let's just replicate it forever.

567
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Let's just do versions of this forever, but with people

568
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: who are well not Yeah, let's just do versions of

569
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: this forever. I'm even gonna try to quantify it. Yeah.

570
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Speaker 1: At age forty eight, Kissinger was new enough to power

571
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: that he was noted at the time as being extremely

572
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: jealous of anyone who might be seen as arrival. He

573
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: focused obsessively on pleasing Nixon. Henry himself had no particular

574
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: biases against India or Indian politicians, at least not compared

575
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: to Nixon. But when he saw how racist his boss was,

576
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: he knuckled down and found his inner bigot. He was

577
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: successful enough that Nixon said of him, Henry is my

578
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: least pathological pro India lover around here. God, good work, Henry.

579
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Speaker 1: You did it, buddy, you won. He won the worst thing.

580
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: In late nineteen seventy, Kissinger in Yah Yeah, began to

581
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: make plans for a brokered secret meeting between the United

582
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: States and China as a thank you for his help.

583
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: In October of nineteen seventy, Yeah Yeah, got to visit

584
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: the White House in person, where Nixon agreed to sell

585
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: weapons to his country again. Now this is illegal because

586
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: there's an arms embargo which does not get lifted, but

587
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: they decide we'll just do it. It'll be a limited

588
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: violation of I believe that there was a loophole for

589
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: um Yeah. Have you got drunk with me? Um Born

590
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: and Kanya quote from the Blood Telegram. Yeah Yeah. Got

591
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: a reward for his efforts in late nineteen In late

592
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: October nineteen seventy, when he met Nixon in the Oval

593
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Speaker 1: office at the White House. In their last meeting before

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Speaker 1: the crisis erupted, Nixon began to sell weapons to Yaya again,

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00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: and what was officially built as a one time exception

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00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: to the U. S. Arms embargo imposed on both India

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00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: and Pakistan in nineteen sixty five. It was the kind

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00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: of exception that demolishes the rule. That embargo had already

599
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: been eroding under under Johnson. But now Yaya secured a

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00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: moderately big hall, a harbinger of much larger ones likely

601
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: to come. The promised weapons included six F one oh

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00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: four fighter planes, seven B fifty seven bombers, and three

603
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: armored personnel carriers. When I guess what's going to be

604
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: done with the weapons, we send him nothing. Yep, that's right.

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00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: Episodes done. Alright, we all had fun. Ah. In March

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Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy one, Mushibor who is the He's like

607
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: the guy, the East Pakistani political leader write who runs

608
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: this party that wins the elections. He meets with Yaya

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00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: and Dhaka, which is the capital of East Pakistan, in

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00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: an attempt to reach an agreement over the elections. Yaya

611
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: had just decided to ignore at first, an agreement was

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: already yeah electoral vous yeah um so at first yeah, yeas, like, hey,

613
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: we settled things great. And then the very next day

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Speaker 1: he has Mushibur arrested and send sixty thou soldiers into

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00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: East Pakistan. Um now, actually, I say sins in. These

616
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: guys have been slowly infiltrating the country for weeks by

617
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: air because you have to like fly a man, right,

618
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: they can't just like drive anywhere because there's India in

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Speaker 1: between the two. They embarked on an operation called Searchlight.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote now from an article in

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Speaker 1: the New Yorker. Firing squads spread out across East Pakistan,

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Speaker 1: sometimes assisted by local collaborators from his Lamist groups that

623
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: had been humiliated in the elections. In the countryside where

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00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: the armed resistance was strongest, the Pakistani military burned and

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00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: strafed villages, killing thousands and turning many more into refugees. Hindus,

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00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: who composed more than ten percent of the population, were targeted.

627
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: Their un muslimnus ascertained by a quick inspection underneath their clothing.

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00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of women were raped in a campaign

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Speaker 1: of terror. Bengali's also murdered and raped Urdu speaking Muslims,

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Speaker 1: whom they suspect of being Fifth columnists. For West Pakistan.

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Archer Blood, the US Consul General Nandaca, among others, reported

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00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: the slaughter of professors and students at Dhaka University an

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00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: attempt to silence the intellectual class who had eloquently articulated

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Speaker 1: Bengali grievances. So Archer Blood is in the Blood Telegram

635
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Speaker 1: really goes into detail about this guy. One of the

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Speaker 1: very few cases of a powerful state department, of a

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00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: state department official with some power who's like a genuinely

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00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: good person. Blood works all over for the state department name.

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00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: He does have the worst Like he's like, yeah, so

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00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: I was like you should shoot fire arrows. He has

641
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: opportunities to be in like what are considered more prestigious postings,

642
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: including Greece, but he doesn't want to be in Greece

643
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: because it's a CIA back dictatorship at this point. And

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00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: ben Gal you know what becomes Bangladesh is like he

645
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: feels like I can do something there. Right. It's this

646
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: place that has a lot of like legitimate problems, but

647
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: also there's this like burgeoning democratic movement and people are

648
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: like taking and he's renowned in the area for like

649
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: being incredibly social with Bengalis, you know, like his kids

650
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: make friends with local children who live around. They invite

651
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: them into their home and have slumber parties. Like he's

652
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: just like a like a nice person, right, and they're

653
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: not gonna rise to Yeah, who wants that guy? Blood

654
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: sends a telegram to Nixon and Kissinger. Um, you know, Dave,

655
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: when we tweeted about this, you asked, will there be blood?

656
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: And I said there was going to be a blood telegram.

657
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: This is what that is. Um. In the blood telegram,

658
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: Archer Blood attacks the Nixon administration for their deafening silence

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00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: towards the violence in Bangladesh and moral bankruptcy in the

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Speaker 1: face of what he turned to genocide. And this gets

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00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: signed by every diplomatic official who's in usin Daka. Um.

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00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: This enrages Nixon, and Kissinger soothed his boss by saying

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00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: that Consul in Dacca doesn't have the strongest nerves, basically like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's just he's just getting scared by a little massacre

665
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: of all of the students. And Professor C. H. Blood.

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00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: I can't I cannot believe his last name is Blood.

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00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Really would work better for my last name. You know

668
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: why my last name is about kissing and he has

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00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: blood kissing, you're kissing, I'm bloody the use um, Kissinger added,

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00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: And this is him now talking about what Yahya is

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00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: doing in East Pakistan. Quote, the use of power against

672
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: seeming odds pays off. He's very impressed by the fact

673
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: that that yeah, yeah, gains control of East Pakistan with

674
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: just a few thousand soldiers. You know, he's really impressed.

675
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of people get angry. You know. Um.

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00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: One of the big people who's most vociferous in the

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00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: US government against what's happening in East Pakistan is Ted Kennedy. Um.

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: He is like a really like like takes this on

679
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: as like a banner crusade. Um. So you know, once again,

680
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: people get very angry at the administration for what's going on. Uh.

681
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: Nixon tells Kissinger. Quote the people who bitch about Vietnam

682
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: bitch about it because we intervened and what they say

683
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: as a civil war. Now some of the same beasts

684
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: want us to intervene here both civil wars. Is being like,

685
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: see how inconsistent they are? Yeah, you know, pick what

686
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: do you want do? You think selling arms to one

687
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: side in a civil war might be intervening? Is that?

688
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: Is it possible? We're not going to do that. We're

689
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: not going to do that. Oh yeah, needs how many

690
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: more muscles? So kissing your writes up a policy paper

691
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: in which he urges the U s to quote make

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00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: a serious effort to help Yaya into the war he'd started.

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00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: And again, this isn't even really a civil war. East

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Speaker 1: Pakistan isn't like mobilizing a vast army to fight for

695
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: their independence they like voted and then kill them all

696
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: civil it does they start to be guerrillas and like

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00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: the Indian government starts sending weapons into like the guerilla

698
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: fighters in East Pakistan, but like the massacres start first.

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Speaker 1: Well and again I mean like so what you're saying there,

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Speaker 1: he held an election. I mean this would be like

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Speaker 1: if David Cameron just yeah, had tanks the day after

702
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: bregsit Yeah yeah, yeah, god, that would I would have

703
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: marginally better. I guess Britain somehow colonizes the EU. Oh

704
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: my god, Britain finally colonizes itself. I said that you

705
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: work for us, body work for you? Now you do?

706
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: We already did with British. You will work for the

707
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: British now, yeah, and because of their Sandrist educations, Gareth,

708
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: your same fake accent can work for Yaya lovely yea.

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00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: So Jack on the mine, I think Nixon responds to

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Speaker 1: Kissinger's policy paper with a handwritten note that he adds

711
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Speaker 1: to the paper saying, don't squeeze ya ya at this time?

712
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Do you want to advice under normal circumstances in May?

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00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: In May India, and this is you know, India. There's

714
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: a degree of legitimate concern among Indian people for like

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00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: the humanitarian crisis. There's also politically, there's tons of refugees,

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00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: right and so there's also this like very blunt political like, well,

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00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: we can't let this be happening because refugees are a

718
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: political problem for us, right there. States. You know, nations

719
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: don't make decisions ever because it's the right thing or

720
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to do. But India's broadly speaking on

721
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: the right side of this one. I think that's fair

722
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: to say. Um So, because they're watching what's happening. India

723
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: starts massing troops on the border of East Pakistan in

724
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: order to potentially intervene um but they don't do anything yet. Um.

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00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: Nixon tells Kissinger to cut off economic aid to India

726
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: if they intervene in this genocide, and Kissinger responds, quote,

727
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: the last thing we can afford to do and now

728
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: is to have the Pakistani government overthrown, given the other

729
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: things that we are doing. This is a clear reference

730
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: to their their plans to meet with China right these

731
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: very directly saying the reason we can't let anything happen

732
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: to Yaya's government, even though they're carrying out a genocide,

733
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: is because we need him to get to China. Um. Now.

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Speaker 1: Kissinger follows this up with a sop to Nixon's racism,

735
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: calling Indians quote the most aggressive goddamn people around there. Again.

736
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously like the projection is obviously insane.

737
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Nixon responds by telling Kissinger that what India needs is

738
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: a mass famine. Kissinger she Kissinger does not disagree, and

739
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: he follows up by saying India has no right to

740
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: invade another country. Quote no matter what Pakistan doesn't, it's territory.

741
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, I'm gonna take a five. You guys

742
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: can keep going. I'm gonna take a five. You guys

743
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: keep going. Now, that's fine. I'm gonna got real concerned

744
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: about national sovereignty. Can you imagine someone doing something like that? Yeah,

745
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: we can discuss, given the history of the United States

746
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: of the whole, who gets to fairly complain about violations

747
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: of national sovereignty? But definitely not Henry Kissinger. Like everhere,

748
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: not this guy. Right, It's like the fucking dudes from

749
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the Bush administration yelling at like what Russia is doing

750
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, not that the Russian actions in it is

751
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: like no, not you, not you. Yeah, there's a lot

752
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: of people we don't want to hear from that. You're

753
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Um, So Kissinger assures his boss. Besides, the

754
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: killing has stopped, so it's fine. It had not. As

755
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: a head said, nuts, it has not. In April of

756
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy month, which is, by the way, the you

757
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: know Archer Blood, the State Department official who does everything

758
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: possible to get the US to act, Kissinger and Nixon

759
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: fire him, get him immediately. Gotta get that guy out

760
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: of there, right, he's terrible. He doesn't know what he's

761
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah. Now, in April of nineteen seventy one,

762
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: the same month as the Blood Telegram, and Nixon receives

763
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: his official invitation from the Chinese, from the Chinese government,

764
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: and it's again, it's a secret invitation, right, you know,

765
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: everything's because they don't know that it's gonna like work.

766
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: You can't just have Nixon go to China first. You

767
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: have to send someone ahead of time to handle early negotiations.

768
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a whole process. It's a China. Yeah,

769
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: it's a pre China. You gotta yeah, you gotta loub

770
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: up your China before you get that dick. Yeah, before

771
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: you get that dick in there. Actually, that's right. Um. Nixon,

772
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: gleeful tells Kissinger to go Kissinger is the lube in

773
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: this situation, tells Kissinger to go in secretly and handle

774
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: these early negotiations. He claims that this visit to China

775
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: they're planning will be a quote, a great watershed in history,

776
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: perhaps clearly the greatest since World War Two, And that's

777
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: what Nixon says. Kissinger, being a kiss ass, responds by saying, no, no,

778
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: it'll be the greatest since the Civil War. I mean,

779
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: my god, the idea that you're following that up with, no. Yeah.

780
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: So July came and Kissingers set off for Southeast Asian

781
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: what was billed as a diplomatic tour of the region,

782
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: but obviously is in reality a secret diplomatic mission code

783
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: named Oh Boy, Operation Marco Polo. For fox sake, I mean,

784
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: at least just get a better marketing. It's like Nixon,

785
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: NI listened to me, Marco Polo. First on the water, Marco.

786
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: So Nixon visits India and then he flies to West

787
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Pakistan Um and shortly after landing, he drinking. He fakes

788
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: the stomach bug to get his stomach pumped. No, no, no,

789
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: So he's like, tell everybody, I'm shooting. Yeah, tell everyone

790
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm pooping. Tell him I'm on the toilet shooting my

791
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: brains out. So he cancels. Kissinger cancels a couple of

792
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: days of planned meetings, and then while he's supposed to

793
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: be sick, he boards in secret especial plane flies from

794
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: Islamabad to Beijing. Now I'm gonna quote from a rite

795
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: up in The Daily Star, which was an Indian newspaper

796
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: that summarizes what happens next. During Kissinger's China visit, both

797
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: sides discussed a variety of issues. Kissinger found Zawin Lai,

798
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: who had studied in France and Germany from nineteen nineteen

799
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: twenty three to be a very articulate person who could

800
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: converse even in German Kissinger's mother tongue with ease. Both

801
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: leaders agreed on recognizing Communist China as the only China

802
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: and allotting a permanent seat in the u u N

803
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: Security Council to Beijing instead of Taiwan. The situation in

804
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: the Indian subcontinent was discussed into tail on which they

805
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: had similar views, with both expressing their own wavering support

806
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: to Pakistan. Zao brief Kissinger about the Indo Chinese border

807
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: skirmishes and brave and blamed India for provocations. Both leaders

808
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: had complete convergence of views on Yaya stand on the

809
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: Bangladesh issue. Kissinger flew back to Paris and reached Washington

810
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: on July. So, okay, good, I mean like again, like, yes,

811
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: they should be talking. Yes, this is fine. Yes. If

812
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: you're going to have a security council, Jan should probably

813
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: sit on it rather than fucking Taiwan. Um. Also, it's

814
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: just a shame that it needs to come from mainly alcoholics. Yeah,

815
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: like that. In order to make the right decisions, it

816
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: needs to come on the back of genocides and blackouts. Yeah,

817
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: and like I feel like probably if the Nixon administration

818
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: had had just like announced publicly through like the global media,

819
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: we're we were wrong the United States and our policy

820
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: towards Taiwan, and we want to recognize China and establish

821
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: relationships with them and put them on the you if

822
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: they just like said that in like a news thing,

823
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: probably China would have been like, oh, okay, this all

824
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: could have happened. But but that also would have looked

825
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: weak by the standards of like politics, right, it would

826
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: have looked like begging. And so they're not going to

827
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: do that. They're going to do this instead because it

828
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: it looks for the base, who you know, just wanted

829
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: Vietnamese and can't Bundy people to be fucking massacred so

830
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: they'd feel better, like, yeah, it's the base, we're talking

831
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: about base blood. And they fired him. That's really So

832
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: when he got back to d C and sat down

833
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: with his boss, Kissinger excitedly relayed the story of the

834
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: cloak and Dagger exercise. That's he's very excited that he

835
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: got to deal with James bond Um, he tells Kissinger

836
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: or Kissinger tells Nixon quote, Yah, yah, hasn't had such

837
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: fun since the last Hindu massacre. Oh there needs you

838
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: need you just like bring in another I mean, blood

839
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: would have been a good person. But there just needs

840
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: to be a regular persons like, Hey, I'm sorry, we

841
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: can't talk like that. You guys keep really comfy with

842
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: this language. Is it's really not okay? Yeah, nobody says that.

843
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: Goddam there has to be like some motherfucker cleaning up.

844
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Nixon's like puke in the corner. Just a janitor who

845
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: just like quietly shakes his head every time. Yeah to camera, Yeah, yeah,

846
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: they've got a gym in there. Yeah, so that the bartender,

847
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: but no wing bar tender. Just imagine that coming out

848
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: of your mouth. Yeah, you're you can't. It's not a

849
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: joke when you say that while there's a genocide going on. Enocide,

850
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: So that sounds a lot about it. You celebrating a

851
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: guy killing people. You realize how cool you gotta look.

852
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't have a friend, but if I did so um.

853
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: On July nineteen seventy one, Richard Nixon addressed the United

854
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: States and told everyone that Henry Kissinger had just conducted

855
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: a secret mission which had concluded with an agreement for

856
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: Nixon to travel to Beijing and negotiate. By this point,

857
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi civilians were dead and more

858
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: than a million had been made refugees. India was edging

859
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: closer and closer to war over the whole matter, and

860
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: it was the considered opinion of the defense establishment that

861
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: they would win fairly easily. India had started arming the

862
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: Bengali guerrilla fighters at this point, and during one meeting

863
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: on the matter, Nixon described Indians as quote a slippery,

864
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: treacherous people who would like nothing better than to use

865
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: this tragedy to destroy Pakistan. So Fox, I mean, you

866
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: can't even talk about I mean, it's like you can't

867
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: even say shit anymore. Yeah, it's just it's just insane.

868
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: Not yeah, yeah, it's just it's just so crazy. How

869
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: this this you know, this is imperialism, colonialist language. It's

870
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: just never faded. No, No, it's just always guys in power.

871
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: They've been talking like this is the fucking it's never stopped.

872
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: It's the I mean, this guy's not you couldn't really

873
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: call him in power, but it's that fucking journalist for

874
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: whoever talking about like Ukraine and like this is the

875
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: first war between civilizations, Like what the fuck do you know?

876
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: It's quite different to see people who are white in

877
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: European do it. That feels quite different. And the way

878
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: he's carefully that journalists you're talking about the way he's

879
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: carefully picking his language, and he's like, you're like, wait,

880
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: this is your thoughtful version, your delicate statement. He cut

881
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: the slurs out, you know. Yeah, it was like, gotta

882
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: be carefully, I'm gonna say some dirty words because Nixon

883
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: and they absolute at least say yeah. Um. So the

884
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: outcry domestically and internationally reaches a fever pitch at this

885
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: point kind of late summer nineteen seventy one, and in August,

886
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: the escalating crisis pushes India to sign a formal treaty

887
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: of friendship with the Soviet Union. Anti communists Nixon included

888
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: considered this a disaster and as good as an end

889
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: to India's neutrality, but condemning yah yah or stopping the

890
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: sale of US weapons to a country committing genocide was

891
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: not considered an option. Yeah Yeah had to be kept

892
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: in power until the China trip was conclusively locked down.

893
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: The blood telegram After a while after Kissinger returned from Beijing,

894
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: he said, we cannot turn on Pakistan, and I think

895
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: it would have disastrous consequences with China that after they

896
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: gave us an airport, we massacre them. In this case,

897
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: for Kissinger, massacre meant putting pressure on a government, not

898
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: the actual massacres. I mean they've done so many massacres

899
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: that massacres aren't massacres anymore. Yeah, this is the only thing,

900
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: Henry Kisses, you're ever described as a massacre people to

901
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: to Nixon's drunk genocide. But Nixon, meanwhile, I was committing

902
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: a genocide. That's good. That's good that you know what,

903
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: somebody make a Nixon themed gin cocktail genocide. It should

904
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: be red in color pineapples, A little bit of a

905
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: little bit of your own puke from the first simple So.

906
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: Also in August, George Harrison and Ravi Shankar organized a

907
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: benefit concert in New York supporting relief efforts in Bangladesh.

908
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Nixon brushed this off to Kissinger, saying, quote by Afra

909
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: stirred up a few Catholics. But you know, I think

910
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: by Afra stirred people up more than Pakistan because Pakistan.

911
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: They're just a bunch of goddamn brown Muslims for fu

912
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: sa fucking Christ. Yeah, well, if we need to bomb

913
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: the Beatles, yea, the Beetle the only one we could

914
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: keep his ringo. He seems like we could maybe shift him. Yeah,

915
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: we're back again. I mean, it's like you, you would

916
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: expect and again, I mean, or at least in my head,

917
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: at some point, you would expect someone to just be like, guys,

918
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: what the fu And at least even if it didn't

919
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: even if it didn't really change anything, it would at

920
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: least change the casual language. And racism is just kind

921
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: of tossed around, or someone would be like, hey, you

922
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't be recording all this. Yeah, boy, you shouldn't be

923
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: recording all this. Dickyould, I had stop on this. Yeah.

924
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: The Nixon administration Nixon did Xon was like, I think

925
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: we got a mall and it might be drunk me.

926
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: I think the black out raised recording us. We did

927
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: a final war on night Nixon. On October, the People's

928
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: Republic of China was admitted to the UN as a

929
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: permanent member of the Security Council again. They seedy been

930
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: occupied for Taiwan by years, Taiwan gets like let out

931
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: very unceremoniously, China gets put in place. The People's Republic

932
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: of China's representatives celebrates with a vocal attack on quote

933
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: American imperialists and they're running dogs. But nobody took this seriously.

934
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: It was generally referred to as firing by empty cannons.

935
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're China, you gotta get you gotta you

936
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: gotta throw out your attack on the U S. But like,

937
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's getting along at this moment. By November again,

938
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: we when we we just talked about the guy who

939
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: built that giant mountain sized cannon for Saddam. Like not

940
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: long after this, the CIA is like illegally helping that

941
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: arms designers subvert international treaties to sell cannons to China

942
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: because China's you know, not on good terms with the

943
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: USS are. It's all just like brinksmanship. Political function doesn't

944
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: match up with some of the history in this country,

945
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: that's right, So uh yeah this. By November of nineteen

946
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: seventy one, more than ten million people had been made

947
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: refugees by the violence in Bangladesh. Jeoffrey Davis, a doctor

948
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: who was brought into the country by the UN later

949
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: to perform late term abortions on rape victims. Again, this

950
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: is like so part of what happens is the systemic

951
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: mass rape by Pakistani soldiers of Bangladeshi women. They the

952
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: u N brings a doctor in afterwards to like perform

953
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: the abortions on these rape victims. The estimate before this

954
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: doctor comes in is that between two hundred and four

955
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: hundred thousand Bengali women had been raped, and Jeffrey Davis says, oh,

956
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: it's way more than that. Oh my god, it's much

957
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: more than that. The CIA estimates two hundred thousand civilians

958
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: are murdered in this period. Given where the U S

959
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: stands on this issue, you might not want to trust

960
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: the CIA's numbers. Now. The Soviet newspaper Pravda estimates some

961
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: three million dead, which is also likely not entirely accurate,

962
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: but it's probably closer than the CIA's numbers. Credible low

963
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: estimates of the death toll are over half a million.

964
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: It is very likely that between one and two million

965
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: Bengalis were murdered. One and a half million is often

966
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: what you will hear, um probably pretty fair, although any

967
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of exact count is obviously impossible. But this is

968
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: a git acide on the Titanic scale. You know. In December,

969
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: West Pakistan declared war on India. Remember, yeah, yeah, is

970
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: not good at things? Um so, I mean, I mean,

971
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: he's again breakfast k crazy shit. So their man declares

972
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: war again, yah Ya declares war. That's right, yeah, Nixon

973
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: and kissing your blame this on Indira Gandhi. This is

974
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: why I kind of woman in India. Nixon tells Henry

975
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: that it makes your heart sick to see Pakistan be

976
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: done so by the Indians. And after we have after

977
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: we've warned the bitch, after sorry, I cut you off. Yeah,

978
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: and after we have warned the bitch, I mean again,

979
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: it's like you're not in a tavern. This is the

980
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: fucking White House. Should we put that in a fresh

981
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: in an official press statement. Let's talk about it in

982
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: the morning. Then let's call her a horror. Then let's

983
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: just yah Yah proved to be as bad at war

984
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: as he was good at being friends with Dick Nixon.

985
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: The Indian military curb stomps Pakistan. I cannot exaggerate the

986
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: degree to which these guys get their asses handed to them.

987
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: Within a week, it is clear that not only is

988
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: what West Pakistan going to lose the war, but Pakistan

989
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: might not survive as a country as a result of

990
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: how badly they're being beaten. Right, Yeah, yeah, it's not

991
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: good at anything. Yeah. I want to quote now from

992
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: a write up by an Indian veteran. It's very good

993
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: at drinking. He's really pretty good drinking. How do you mean? Yeah?

994
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: I said, I was sorry. So I want to quote

995
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: now from a write up by an Indian veteran of

996
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: the conflict for Indie TV, which is another Indian news periodical,

997
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: December eight. This Pakistani defenses in East Pakistan. We're following.

998
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: Before the onslaught of the Joint Command of the Indian

999
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: Army and Bangladeshi Mukti Bahini liberation warriors, Richard Nixon and

1000
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger were busy plotting ways to change the tide

1001
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: of war or arrest it. Henry Kissinger, in a meeting

1002
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: with Richard Nixon an Attorney General Newton Mitchell, now to classified,

1003
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: said he has got a message for you to you

1004
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: from the shot of Iran, which says he can send

1005
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: the ammunition to a beleaguered Pakistan. He is doing it now.

1006
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: What is good? I mean, who can help us here?

1007
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: The Shah of Iran, the level of lord to stop war? Yeah,

1008
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: so it was. It was another piece of ship we

1009
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: can bring in all this. The brilliant diplomat also revealed

1010
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: that Iran will send fighter planes to protect Jordan from Israel,

1011
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: while Jordan will send jets to Pakistan for the war

1012
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: effort against India. Honestly, what is It's? How like an

1013
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: NFL trade works? Yeah? How could you have thought this

1014
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: would work? I mean, it's a it's a drunk game

1015
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: of risk. Yeah it is. He's just wasted playing risk. Um.

1016
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: The US National Security Advisor also expressed fear that India

1017
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: would attack West Pakistan in a major way after winning

1018
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: the war in the east. The Indian plan is now clear.

1019
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: This is Kissinger. They're going to move their forces from

1020
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: East Pakistan to the west. They will then smash the

1021
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: Pakistan land forces and air forces, annex the Pakistan occupied

1022
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: part of Kashmir, and then call it off Warrant Henry Kissinger.

1023
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: When this has happened, the centrifical forces in West Pakistan

1024
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: would be liberated, but Lukastan on the northwest frontier will

1025
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: celebrate West Pakistan would become a sort of intricate Afghanistan.

1026
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: So this is Henry's Afghanistan. That's Henry's concern. So he

1027
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: insists this is enough of a disaster that the US

1028
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: has to send the Seventh Fleet into the Bay of

1029
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: Bengal in order to scare India. The Seventh is headed

1030
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: by the U. S. S Enterprise and is widely considered

1031
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: to be the most powerful naval force on Earth. This

1032
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: prompts the Russians to send a fleet in as well,

1033
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: and the world gets to live through another period of

1034
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: are we going to have a nuclear war? Um Kissinger,

1035
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: because he's real good at calming people down, encourages China

1036
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: to intervene against India and, in Nixon's words, quote, scare

1037
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: those goddamn Indians to death. China is like, you, maybe

1038
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: we should go back to the Taiwan thing. It actually

1039
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: seemed to be this na be a little seemed to

1040
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: be pretty good. Actually that was working a little better,

1041
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: I think for you guys. Now you're in hell. Yeah.

1042
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: In the end, Kissinger's plan failed. India does not take

1043
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: his bait, and in late December, Pakistan surrenders to India.

1044
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: East Pakistan because its own independent nation Bangladesh. Yah Yah

1045
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: is forced out of office and placed under house arrest,

1046
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: where he suffers a stroke. Um, so that's I'm gonna

1047
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: come back. But it's called the comeback kid. Oh you

1048
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: mean I can't leave. It'll be fine. So Kissinger claims,

1049
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: this whole state of affairs, how this all resolves, is

1050
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Speaker 1: a victory for the Nixon administration announces. He announces this

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Speaker 1: by saying, congratulations, Mr President, you saved West Pakistan. What

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: time last night you saved West Packing? Amazing? I mean it,

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean two months you didn't. Gratulations being said. Amazing. Now,

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: two months after the end of the war, Nixon makes

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Speaker 1: his big visit to China. The media eats it up,

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01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: and suddenly Nixon's re election campaign has something to hang

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Speaker 1: their hats on. Beyond claims that peace and Vietnam is

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01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: going to happen one of these days. The taunt with

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Speaker 1: the Soviets is announced soon after. Right, they do like

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01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: they're good things. Obviously it's good. Like this happens, good

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Speaker 1: things result from it. Um. During a conversation later that year,

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Speaker 1: Kissinger tells his boss, no one has yet understood what

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Speaker 1: we did in India Pakistan and how we saved the

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Speaker 1: China option, which we need for the blood Russians. Why

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Speaker 1: should we give a damn about Bangladesh? Well there you go.

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Speaker 1: That says uh, that says it all right. Yeah, nobody's

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Speaker 1: congratulating us on how good of a job we did. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean in their opinion and their track record of

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01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: foreign policy, it's all about egg breaking, yeah, you know,

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: for whatever version of omelet they insist they're serving. Yeah,

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01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, man, I agree us. You know,

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Speaker 1: Malan fucking uh kissing you or mawen. Nixon should have

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: sat down and talked like all of these conversations shouldn't happened.

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Speaker 1: Did talk with Russia? Good? I feel like you didn't

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: need to back a genocide to make that happen, you know,

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01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: like that wasn't a necessary ingredient. It's it's easy to

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01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: look back on a genocide and go was this right

1078
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: or wrong? But when you're in the middle of a genocide,

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01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: you're like, this seems pretty okay. I'm getting I'm getting

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Speaker 1: which genocide are you on? How else can I talk

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 1: to people? I'm having koonyak with ya ya flying the child,

1082
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: But I'm here, I'm pretty much blackout drunk for all

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01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: of those. Pretty good for a guy, Okay, I walk

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: on a straight line. Yeah, it's anyway, that's how Henry

1085
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: Kissinger made peace between the nuclear powers that one. I mean,

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01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: it is the most chaotic, insane, fucking nonsense. It's just crazy. No,

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: I really it is on a level where I mean,

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01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been hard to process the whole time,

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01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: but now it's like it's normalized and you're seeing the

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: version when they're sort of they're the training wheels have

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: been taken off. How much they are actually doing and

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: getting away with in way like again, I mean, just

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01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: to have an adult in the room. Um, but I

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: mean they fired, you fired the adult obviously. But it

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01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: is it is. I mean, it just is absolutely fucking

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: preposterous that this is not well known about or even

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01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: if it even if it is well known. How the

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: funk Kissinger keeps showing up over and over again. Oh yeah,

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01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: with all these people that people that that that people

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: are sickophants for for in our in our politics. No,

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: I can never I can never get over the fact

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01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton was campaigning with him, yeah, and that

1103
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, look, who's back shady one of

1104
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: the things that so this doesn't really like mark on

1105
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: like the moral list of things that he did wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I just find it so shameful that like, again,

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01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: you have all of these other people, like all of

1108
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: the hooks we've talked about, like yeah, yeah, like Nixon,

1109
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: who do horrible things in it, but are like also

1110
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: getting to like exercising power and like the big men

1111
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: and like you know, the dudes that the like, I

1112
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: don't know, they're they're not like sycophants, whereas Henry is

1113
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: just sort of like sucking up to everyone around him

1114
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: in order to further war crimes. Which again, yeah, it

1115
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: doesn't isn't It doesn't rate discussing on a moral level

1116
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: compared to everything else. It just is like that's the guy.

1117
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: He is. Yeah, he's just like a power he's just

1118
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: like he is not I mean and also, and I

1119
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: don't mean to keep beating this drum, but they're drunk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I don't think Kissinger is but nixons what I mean, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1121
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: yeah is a Nixon is a Kissinger is not. And

1122
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: he's still like that's a pretty good idea. Yeah, you know,

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01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: it's be like it would be like if you're around

1124
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: like like you're in a car ride to Florida with

1125
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: three drunk guys and they're just like, hey, well what

1126
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: do we drink last night? The one guys like I

1127
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: have a drink, but let's go to Florida. Um. God,

1128
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: it's man and the blatant racism as far as like

1129
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: who you're willing to sacrifice, I mean, you know as

1130
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: usual kiss country where yeah, you just you really do

1131
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: not give a funk. They really just literally do not

1132
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: care about anybody who's not They just don't care. Why

1133
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: why would they? I mean, if you're them, there's no

1134
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: referee in this game, so foul. As much as you

1135
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: want fucking to fucking you know, grow up with the

1136
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: Nazis right there and watch the Holocaust and then Dave

1137
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: to his childhood, he didn't was not affected by this

1138
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: child That's true. Sorry going back to that, but that

1139
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: that again, we've we've sort of knocked that domino down.

1140
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: That did not happen, Like it never occurred. It didn't happen. Clearly, Yes,

1141
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: you know that's why. Look, that's why he's fine with

1142
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: what's happening in Bangladesh. She knows it's not going to

1143
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: affect those kids, the ones who five, those who lived

1144
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: through history are doomed to repeat it because it was fine,

1145
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: because it was completely fine. It was fine. Why because

1146
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: I said so? Yeah? Uh? Anyway, I just I just

1147
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: typed in Kissinger's name in to Google, and the first

1148
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: thing that comes up is you pile vomit? Oh god,

1149
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: what did he say? Fucking we don't settle the k

1150
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: crisis start at the end. I don't even want to know. Okay, okay,

1151
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: still nonsense, Like, of course, yes, it would be great

1152
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: to start at the point where there's not a war,

1153
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: but that's not really helpful and right, Yeah, yeah, thanks buddy, Yeah, okay, whatever,

1154
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: he's on the same thing. Yeah, he's he's doing kissing,

1155
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: like what it doesn't matter, Like obviously when you say

1156
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: there's point things like the fucking nuclear disarmament where like

1157
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: you can find moments in history where he's right, It

1158
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if if he's right or wrong about a

1159
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: specific issue, because we see what he actually does, which

1160
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: is whatever it takes to keep himself close to power,

1161
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't believe anything to the extent that he's

1162
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: ever right or a part of something good, like arms reductions.

1163
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: It's because that's the thing that the people who he's

1164
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: sycophants to want to do. And it doesn't matter that

1165
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: he supported the opposite thing for years, like because he

1166
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: doesn't care, because it's a parasite just looking for a Yeah, yeah,

1167
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like I don't get him credit for anything,

1168
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: Like it's funny. It's funny you say that because all

1169
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: these articles about about what he said about Ukraine in

1170
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: two fourteen, so people are going back to like he said,

1171
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, I know that guy's if only

1172
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: he thought to start at the end of the war,

1173
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: if only we thought of that, Henry great point, Henry solid,

1174
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna start. We're gonna start to go fund me

1175
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: to get you bones. Yeah, oh god, I who Lord.

1176
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: If he doesn't die immediately, obviously him dying immediately is

1177
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: my primary hope. But I hope if he doesn't die immediately,

1178
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: he lasts long enough to get sucked into one crypto scam,

1179
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, just one good cryptocurrency scam. Can we get that?

1180
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: At least I want him to start his own crypto

1181
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: called hank Bank. Heck of about ago, I am no

1182
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: bull blockchain you can buy a piece of my skin.

1183
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: Each in ft represents an individual. You well, time Richard

1184
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: Nixon vomited into my lap, I've become a n f

1185
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: t oh god, well all right, well well done again

1186
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: anything here? I mean again, it's getting harder. All right.

1187
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: We were at the Dollar but you could go to

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Speaker 1: Dollar podcast dot com forer tour information. We will be

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Speaker 1: you can go to my website which is Gareth Rentles

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Speaker 1: dot com for stand up dates domestically and in Australia.

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Speaker 1: And um, go to parasite dot com, which is just

1193
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: pictures of a Kissinger. Yeah yeah, um, go to his parasite.

1194
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: Go to his parasite. I have a novel, just google

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Speaker 1: a k Press after the Revolution. It's it's for pre

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Speaker 1: order now you can still get it signed. Um every copy.

1197
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: I will spit on Henry Kissinger's grave once when he dies.

1198
01:09:52,960 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: So Robert's getting woozy. Everybody hurring. But like like all politicians,

1199
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: I won't entirely keep my promises. Some of that spit's

1200
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: going to be pissed, you know, some of it's going

1201
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: to be pissed. Here we go already breaking or you're

1202
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: breaking it, but I knew you. Oh go hi, everybody.

1203
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Speaker 1: Robert Evans here and my novel After the Revolution is

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