Speaker 1: It's nine OGE.
Speaker 2: With Jenny Garth and Tory spelling.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well it's another nine O two one OMG
Speaker 3: you guys wow, and it's an OMG or yeah it is.
Speaker 4: It's heavy.
Speaker 3: I did not see this episode coming.
Speaker 5: Nope, not after last week.
Speaker 2: The world did. Well, the world saw it coming because
Speaker 2: it's so topical.
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't it crazy we were just talking about Halloween.
Speaker 3: We're so on we're so on trend with our podcast. Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: but here it is the topic of anti semitism and
Speaker 3: racism abound in this episode.
Speaker 2: It actually like took me back like where I was, like,
Speaker 2: this is literally what's on the news, Yeah, what's in
Speaker 2: our world. It was sort of astounding how on point
Speaker 2: this episode was. Like it really I was a little gobsmack,
Speaker 2: like whoa.
Speaker 3: I yeh, yeah, it's it is weird how this is
Speaker 3: it's the same. I mean, when the show has in
Speaker 3: the previous in the past talked about racism and here
Speaker 3: we are dealing with the same things, and now we're
Speaker 3: talking about anti semitism and that's just all over the
Speaker 3: news right now. It's on every college campus.
Speaker 5: It's just what's sadder is to know that things don't change. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the hard part.
Speaker 4: We've come.
Speaker 5: We always say we've come so far, and then it's
Speaker 5: something like this that you look back thirty years.
Speaker 4: Ago and you're like, you really sadly haven't, Tory.
Speaker 2: That's such an interesting point that after watching this, I
Speaker 2: really was left to try to figure out was nine
Speaker 2: oh two one zero so groundbreaking and so like just
Speaker 2: willing to address these things? And I attribute that a
Speaker 2: lot to your dad, Tori. Then I also was like,
Speaker 2: or does life just never change? Do these issues just well?
Speaker 3: Regardless, the show was definitely groundbreaking because we were the
Speaker 3: first show talking about it on primetime television and certainly
Speaker 3: the first show ever talking about it to this younger
Speaker 3: audience for sure.
Speaker 2: So true, Jenny. It's like I also felt this episode
Speaker 2: did not land on me back then in the same
Speaker 2: way it does now. It's just watching it completely from
Speaker 2: a different perspective as an adult. Yeah, I think most
Speaker 2: of it probably sort of went over my head or
Speaker 2: I just didn't pay attention or realize the signal the
Speaker 2: kinds of it all.
Speaker 5: Which is a risk they took because when dealing with
Speaker 5: young people and you know, here we are, we keep
Speaker 5: talking about fifth season, like, oh, we're getting into the
Speaker 5: keg parties and all the romances in the scandal, and
Speaker 5: then to take us into something that's just like a
Speaker 5: hard hitting topic feels almost like off point but very
Speaker 5: nine to two one zero. But they took a big
Speaker 5: chance that the audience would be, like young kids would
Speaker 5: be like, I don't want to see this.
Speaker 4: I don't want to watch this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they hit it hard too, like really hard.
Speaker 4: Was a balance, I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3: It was a little heavy handed, but it was such
Speaker 3: a heavy topic. Yeah, and important to so many people,
Speaker 3: so many people around the world, but so many people
Speaker 3: involved in the production of our show, like you know.
Speaker 2: So they handled it well too, not just with my
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four eyes, but with today, Like it wasn't
Speaker 2: I thought it was handled well. I thought if I
Speaker 2: was a young person watching this, you understood all sides,
Speaker 2: and you understood how important this was, and each was
Speaker 2: presented fairly well. The you know, per usual, the let's
Speaker 2: tie it up with a bow and we're all so
Speaker 2: happy is always a little nine o two in OI.
Speaker 2: But otherwise I don't have a lot of criticism of it.
Speaker 3: Why don't we remind people, What the heck we're talking?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh? This is season five, episode eleven. Hate is just
Speaker 3: a four letter word, aired November sixteenth, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 4: Synopsis.
Speaker 5: Racial tensions hit the campus of California University, putting Brandon's peacekeeping.
Speaker 4: Skills to the test.
Speaker 5: Kelly's photo shoot gets canceled, Donna's party gets ruined, and
Speaker 5: Dylan gets threatened by his no good drug dealer.
Speaker 3: Directed by Les Landa, written by Richard Golance and Charles Rosen.
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, can we get the one most awkward
Speaker 2: thing in this whole episode out of the way, though,
Speaker 2: the one literally I get it, there's one gasped out loud.
Speaker 2: There was one. I guess Jenny will get it. You'll
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, was it with Brandon? Yes, it was with
Speaker 3: brand Is it's something Brandon said Kelly.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who he said it to, but it
Speaker 2: was so not not wait say it?
Speaker 3: What was it? Slap and tickle?
Speaker 2: No, but I can't wait to talk about that. It
Speaker 2: was when they said I'm just gonna acknowledge it next year.
Speaker 2: Could you get Bill Cosby?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, God, so that was okay?
Speaker 3: Then to reference him.
Speaker 2: Of course, and it totally made sense then, But that
Speaker 2: was the one thing that I was like, what did
Speaker 2: not age?
Speaker 3: Well, how could he have known?
Speaker 2: They know so much on but they didn't not.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're so ahead of our time.
Speaker 2: Did not get that one?
Speaker 4: Then it was you couldn't have known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pudding and the Cosby Show was quite well liked.
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, I thought you were gonna say it was
Speaker 3: when Brandon asked Kelly if she wanted to go back
Speaker 3: to her place and do a little slap and tickle.
Speaker 4: Okay, so what's a slap and tickle?
Speaker 5: By the exactly what only Kelly would Apparently it's their thing,
Speaker 5: a slap and tickle.
Speaker 3: I guess that was something that like things we said
Speaker 3: to each other.
Speaker 2: Then that was actually bananas.
Speaker 3: What does that mean He's gonna slap me and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tickle.
Speaker 5: Him or like a like a slap your fanny and.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is. It's creepy and I don't want that visual.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: That's gross, especially for like someone young to be like
Speaker 5: that sounds like something like Jim Walsh might say to Cindy.
Speaker 4: Like, hey, let's go upstairs and do a little slap
Speaker 4: and circle.
Speaker 2: I put it not murders. Actually, how about Jim Walsh
Speaker 2: being also very ahead of his time, sort of calling
Speaker 2: out Brandon's white privilege in a very sort of eloquent way.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, leave it to Jimbo.
Speaker 2: Everybody got it right, especially although Jesse and Andrea we
Speaker 2: can dissect, because I do think Andrea has an issue
Speaker 2: sort of listening and allowing people to have a different opinion.
Speaker 2: But that was very compelling. Andrea with her grandmother, and
Speaker 2: obviously she would be passionate about this right, rightfully, so
Speaker 2: she would be a real outspoken, you know, person willing
Speaker 2: to make a stand. So that all tracked, and it
Speaker 2: was nice to see her have something to do.
Speaker 4: Other than carry a baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, when Grandma Rose, is that Grandma Rose? When
Speaker 3: Grandma Rose, because Gramma Rose was somebody else.
Speaker 2: So I get computer, Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Grandma Rose dropped the line about him being him dying
Speaker 3: in the camps, like all of a sudden, the episode
Speaker 3: just took a turn from Hi, yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: know about you. No.
Speaker 2: It was so heavy saying that Hannah looks like him,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you get this, You
Speaker 2: just get the heaviness and the importance of what they're
Speaker 2: talking about, and oh, it just resonated so much about
Speaker 2: speech and inappropriate speech and or somebody saying something in
Speaker 2: one speech and that becoming how you completely think of them.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: And again I was left to not really know what
Speaker 2: my take was on Roland Roland Turner because we're we
Speaker 2: see that terrible, hateful speech, horrible, but then we never
Speaker 2: really are convinced that he's not that way, even though
Speaker 2: Janice is explaining that he is different from that. So
Speaker 2: it was just all of it just was too much
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so much. It was hard for me
Speaker 3: to track, like everybody's position on everything. What did you feel?
Speaker 3: How did you feel about the fight when Andrea comes
Speaker 3: over to visit Brandon, because each of them had their position,
Speaker 3: and I felt like neither of them were wrong in
Speaker 3: what they were.
Speaker 2: I felt the same way. It was a little Brandony
Speaker 2: to Abstein. Brandon is very hesitant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so Switzerland.
Speaker 5: Totally Brandon Jason Jason.
Speaker 3: Life art, life art.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was that was interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's so nine o two one oo to
Speaker 2: have this topic that at the time was so probably
Speaker 2: I couldn't even really comprehend. And there's also the confusion
Speaker 2: of real people being interspersed, like Anita Hill or Marcus
Speaker 2: Garvey and then Roland Turner, I'm assuming is like a
Speaker 2: made up person. There's a lot of that where it
Speaker 2: was very confusing. So you're kind of like trying to
Speaker 2: do a history lesson at the same time.
Speaker 3: And I was thinking, like, I think this might have
Speaker 3: been me, Jenny, my first sort of learning about all
Speaker 3: of this because I didn't go to high school and
Speaker 3: I didn't yeah, I didn't have classes in these categories,
Speaker 3: so this was like educational for me back then. And
Speaker 3: then I was thinking, like when kids go away to college,
Speaker 3: I mean they this is when they get to express
Speaker 3: their opinions about things, and then they get to go
Speaker 3: and have these this outlet where they get to stand
Speaker 3: on their own opinions. And it's interesting. Again, I never
Speaker 3: saw that in real life, so I felt like I
Speaker 3: was learning how it was handled back then and now
Speaker 3: seeing how it's being handled now. Just the similarities and
Speaker 3: the prominent sort of role models in everyone's life. The
Speaker 3: woman who works at seventeen magazine and her perspective, the
Speaker 3: dean and his perspective. Yeah, and that really resonated.
Speaker 2: Too, Like I don't know, I do feel like it
Speaker 2: was well done, although it's hard to totally know where
Speaker 2: I stand because it was confusing and in forty four minutes,
Speaker 2: I'm like, right, I don't have any information.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know this episode was really important to
Speaker 5: my dad and his heritage. I mean I can remember
Speaker 5: not knowing what it was about. But we took one
Speaker 5: you know, my dad didn't fly, so we took one
Speaker 5: trip to Europe and we had to take a train
Speaker 5: three days to New York and then.
Speaker 4: The Kiwi two boat took a week to get there.
Speaker 4: So it was a big in Europe.
Speaker 5: But my dad, it was really important that he wanted
Speaker 5: to because he was in World War Two. It was
Speaker 5: important for him to go to Normandy, France and the Wall.
Speaker 5: It was really important as a Jew to take a
Speaker 5: picture there and he was like, this is part of
Speaker 5: our heritage and for everyone that was murdered, and that
Speaker 5: was something that I'll never forget. That photo and seeing
Speaker 5: him so proud, like beaming.
Speaker 2: And he okay, I'm sorry to get sidetracked on such
Speaker 2: an important thing. He actually did not fly at all,
Speaker 2: so you took a train across the country and took
Speaker 2: a boat.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It was in World War Two and when he was
Speaker 5: coming home. He came back from Europe to New York
Speaker 5: and was supposed to get on a flight to Texas
Speaker 5: and he had bronchidas. They pulled him off the flight,
Speaker 5: the flight crash, everyone died on it. He his mom said, please,
Speaker 5: don't ever fly again.
Speaker 4: He never did.
Speaker 2: He was eighteen and even in all your years, he
Speaker 2: never got a private plane nothing.
Speaker 5: No, he wouldn't get back on a plane ever. Jen
Speaker 5: knows this, like never slew.
Speaker 2: Wow, so you took this trip that it was so
Speaker 2: important to him that you did it the way you
Speaker 2: all did it, all four of you. Yes, wow, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. Can you remember it, Like, can you remember
Speaker 2: all of it and how important it was to your dad?
Speaker 5: Yeah. But I could visualize that picture that he took
Speaker 5: and he was like wanted. I think we had like
Speaker 5: disposable cameras at the time, but it was really important
Speaker 5: for him to go.
Speaker 4: There specifically and take a picture.
Speaker 5: And I remember him kissing the wall and very Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was very emotional.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a heavy episode, and I did
Speaker 2: think about your your dad throughout For some reason, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Jenny of you had the same thing, but
Speaker 2: for some reason, I felt like this had to have
Speaker 2: been so important to him. And I'm assuming, I don't
Speaker 2: want to put words in Charles Rosen's now, I'm assuming this.
Speaker 4: Was so important, yes, him and Karen, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It was a good episode,
Speaker 3: but it was hard to follow, and it was it
Speaker 3: felt like it took me out of the night or
Speaker 3: two and zero of it, which is fine.
Speaker 1: Mm yeah, especially today and this is Sweeps right still,
Speaker 1: Sweeps was sixteen sixteen, yeah, right, which is.
Speaker 4: A tough one.
Speaker 5: I feel like for Sweeps right right, because I mean
Speaker 5: it's polarizing, right. Of course, some young people are going
Speaker 5: to be like, oh wow, okay, I want to learn,
Speaker 5: I want to know more. They can watch what their
Speaker 5: parents who can talk to them about it, and others
Speaker 5: are like, we want that, you know, fun like partying
Speaker 5: at the keghouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very like typical because we have this.
Speaker 2: Sort of history lesson happening in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2: But then we simultaneously have Dylan in the hospital with
Speaker 2: his mom with a drug dealer getting into the hospital
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 3: Well, because Val tells them how to how to get there,
Speaker 3: like she, I don't what is she doing sitting vigil
Speaker 3: night after night, never leaving the hospital, but then going
Speaker 3: and sneaking basically into getting the keys somehow from Iris
Speaker 3: and then going into his thing, going through all of
Speaker 3: his drawers. But I guess then she was trying to
Speaker 3: get rid of the drugs.
Speaker 2: That's so just as I was sort of like, oh,
Speaker 2: but then then she got rid of the drugs, which
Speaker 2: and she was sort of proud of herself for doing it, yea, But.
Speaker 3: Then she tells the drug dealer to go visit them.
Speaker 3: Essentially that was so crazy.
Speaker 2: Why would she not realize that was a drug deal what,
Speaker 2: old friend, what did you think it was?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't ring true.
Speaker 4: For vows she saw him in the dream he was
Speaker 4: to double hello. I'm just kidding. I didn't watch that
Speaker 4: episode just last week.
Speaker 2: And how about that guy like very like in the hospital,
Speaker 2: like even the worst drug dealer, you better keep my
Speaker 2: name out of your mouth, like this guy's on his head.
Speaker 3: And also what's gonna happen with this nurse? Come on,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I feel something coming.
Speaker 4: Like what how do you feel?
Speaker 3: I feel like she's going to be a part of
Speaker 3: his past life regressions or something.
Speaker 2: I was about done with her when we saw her again.
Speaker 2: She's a men but wants to study his dreams. And
Speaker 2: then I saw a deck of cards. I was just like,
Speaker 2: what the heck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like where this is going. I feel
Speaker 3: bored by it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about done with her.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I told you I watched the wrong episode.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I didn't. I watched two episodes from now
Speaker 5: she's gone, so I guess she's.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, good, good.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a second. Let's just talk
Speaker 2: about Dylan's whull sitch.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was kind of honestly kind of bored by it,
Speaker 3: Like I'm glad he's better and he can talk and.
Speaker 2: He seems to be improving. And then there's sort of
Speaker 2: a comment about he has no money, and then it
Speaker 2: seemed like Iris was maybe going to sort of save
Speaker 2: the day on that she's got the money and don't
Speaker 2: worry about the money. I don't know, and then Valerie.
Speaker 5: He was filming something else and like he had one
Speaker 5: day to shoot and they just did it all in
Speaker 5: the hospital.
Speaker 2: Better.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then Iris kind of liking Valerie. Oh, like telling
Speaker 2: Dylan It's like, come on, Iris, you know better.
Speaker 3: Iris has met thal before.
Speaker 2: Just in this time, just in this last since he's
Speaker 2: been in the hospital.
Speaker 3: Really, that's the first time she's met her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the first time she's been back since Valerie
Speaker 2: moved into town.
Speaker 3: Wow, So why does she like her? I don't she
Speaker 3: thinks that's his new girlfriend or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, all the rest of you forgot about him though,
Speaker 2: I will say that, like, yeah, the rest of you are,
Speaker 2: you know, changing the world and playing flag football.
Speaker 4: But there's flag football again.
Speaker 2: There was some flag football, remember Brandon episode this one too,
Speaker 2: my brand too.
Speaker 4: I don't you guys with the football.
Speaker 2: I'm lost.
Speaker 3: They lost, They got all dirty Brandon, Brandon missed the game.
Speaker 4: Like cute dirty I fast forward.
Speaker 2: I know Muddy. I liked when Rush called Steve Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 2: That was a little cute nickname. I'm like, okay, that's
Speaker 2: kind of cute. Can I ask a question though, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys noticed, did you notice some
Speaker 2: crazy camera work at one point that it looked like
Speaker 2: we were the Blair Witch Project?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: That would have made me excite it though.
Speaker 2: Where was that There was a scene of Kelly and
Speaker 2: Brandon in sort of the outside of school. First of all,
Speaker 2: the lighting was like so bad. It was so sunny
Speaker 2: and just bad, and the camera was just full Blair
Speaker 2: Witch project. I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: That was handheld before there was.
Speaker 2: Like a steady cam or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was literally a handheld camera. They didn't have
Speaker 3: those ye those rigs that they put on now you
Speaker 3: know that whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that thing. You know what. I I
Speaker 2: think one of the struggles I have with the episode,
Speaker 2: even though I really liked it. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: Jenny alluded to this. It's it's like I was supposed
Speaker 2: to know Alex Diaz and Janice Williams and all these
Speaker 2: people so well.
Speaker 4: Hello, they've been on so many times, Like.
Speaker 2: I still don't get why Alex Diaz is just once
Speaker 2: gunning for Brandon all the time and he's so angry.
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't keep all that straight.
Speaker 3: So that was keep it straight and I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: this guy's.
Speaker 5: Back, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: But I will tell you when Brandon Brandon with that gavel.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I thought that was hot. I watched it twice.
Speaker 3: You guys, but.
Speaker 2: Who brings their girlfriend to their like board meeting, like
Speaker 2: you're always there?
Speaker 3: Well, he thought it was going to be quick and
Speaker 3: then when they were going to go do a little
Speaker 3: slap and tickle.
Speaker 5: Hello, she's number two on the call sheet. Of course
Speaker 5: she's always going to be there. I'd get her in
Speaker 5: as much as I could too.
Speaker 4: I don't care if it makes sense. I want to
Speaker 4: see her.
Speaker 3: She's supporting her boyfriend who. By the way, I really
Speaker 3: like Brandon and Kelly together. When I see them together,
Speaker 3: it just makes me happy as a person watching it totally.
Speaker 3: I don't know, they just seem fun and.
Speaker 4: Like they don't seem fun.
Speaker 3: You don't think they seems fun. What the discussions they
Speaker 3: were having in this episode.
Speaker 4: They're so I don't know, there's nothing see.
Speaker 3: No, They're they're like a yeah, like teenage lovers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I want to see a little bit of
Speaker 5: like something.
Speaker 2: A slap and tickle.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, you know.
Speaker 5: What I'll take. I'll take it. That grosses me out,
Speaker 5: but I'll take it. At this point, I like them.
Speaker 2: You're wearing a bit of a prairie dress.
Speaker 3: Now, I my note was I want that dress immediately?
Speaker 3: That dress. I loved it so much, I'm going to
Speaker 3: have it made. It's so meg Ryan.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So should we talk about Ray or more of the
Speaker 2: heavy stuff, because I do want to talk about Dashawan
Speaker 2: and how he's such a great character and should be
Speaker 2: in it way more. You don't think, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I love Sean.
Speaker 4: We love when he comes back.
Speaker 2: They give him two seconds of screen time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he always looks hot.
Speaker 2: He always comes in with the wise words and like
Speaker 2: it's all here, always the voice of reason.
Speaker 3: Because he was barely in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one scene, half a scene. Yeah, so what about
Speaker 2: Ray's birthday? And that Ray is twenty five and Donna
Speaker 2: is just about twenty. I don't think I ever remembered
Speaker 2: the age difference.
Speaker 3: Oh what was Ray doing in the beach apartment? Was
Speaker 3: he fixing something.
Speaker 2: With his tank top with his tank there when he
Speaker 2: came out file, he had his tool belt and he
Speaker 2: was repairing something.
Speaker 4: He was repairing something, and.
Speaker 2: That's when we learned he was fixing the faucet. That's
Speaker 2: what he was doing. He was fixing the faucet. That's right.
Speaker 2: They do acknowledge he was fixing the fawcet.
Speaker 3: I didn't care. All I cared about was Claire's cute
Speaker 3: hairdo and Donna's tour. Is this when the when you
Speaker 3: had a band aid on your nose?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: I went back and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: that's the that's the what happened nineteen ninety four? Take
Speaker 5: me back nineteen ninety or.
Speaker 4: I was how old?
Speaker 3: I don't do math?
Speaker 4: Twenty I was twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we were.
Speaker 5: All just lost the Casper thing. So I was still
Speaker 5: with Nixle a little bit before my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 3: When did you get when the altercation with the bird happened?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 5: It was before my twenty first birthday? So was I
Speaker 5: not twenty one yet?
Speaker 2: Does that mean somebody tell me what's happened?
Speaker 5: I'm born in seventy three. Yeah, okay, so that was it.
Speaker 5: So I didn't see a band aid, but something I saw.
Speaker 3: I saw like a flesh colored tape thing over your
Speaker 3: nose and into every time you're on camera, I could
Speaker 3: see it.
Speaker 4: It looked like I was like powder.
Speaker 5: It looked like I done cocaine, which I hadn't done.
Speaker 3: And I thought to myself, Okay, I know how your
Speaker 3: brain works. I know how in your head you were
Speaker 3: at that time about being a camera with that on
Speaker 3: your nose, and I was my.
Speaker 4: Nose in general, and you know how I feel about
Speaker 4: the nose.
Speaker 3: What happened after a bird bites it off?
Speaker 2: Bird bit your nose? Just tell me everything.
Speaker 5: No one ever believes the story, but Jen is there,
Speaker 5: so she knows it's real. People think I make this
Speaker 5: up as like party fodder when I tell this at
Speaker 5: a party, but it's a good So. I had gone
Speaker 5: with the bad boyfriend at the time, Nick to Hawaii
Speaker 5: with Shannon and Dean Factor on the same vacation. That's
Speaker 5: when she got engaged and also broke up. There was
Speaker 5: the yeah, she threw the crystal dolphin like.
Speaker 4: That whole thing. You've told you that story, right, But
Speaker 4: then they got back together. Okay.
Speaker 5: In that same trip, you could go You can't do
Speaker 5: this nowadays, but you could just walk in the streets and.
Speaker 4: They would sell you parents a colectus parents.
Speaker 5: Big red ones were females, big green ones were males.
Speaker 4: Nothing that was it. You bought a parrot. They gave
Speaker 4: you a parrot, and you could and.
Speaker 5: Support it home from why La on the plane, I
Speaker 5: don't know different, So you bought a bird. So Nick
Speaker 5: and I decided we're going to buy a bird, because
Speaker 5: that's just that seems like the next step in a.
Speaker 4: Totally dysfunctional relationship.
Speaker 5: So we bought a bird that I named Charlie, even
Speaker 5: though she was a girl, which was hardly went on
Speaker 5: to be my first husband's name Charlie anyway, whole different story.
Speaker 5: He was nice, but this bird really great bird. They're
Speaker 5: very communicative. She had my voice, so I would always
Speaker 5: come home and I'd be like.
Speaker 4: I'm Charlie Bird, and she'd be like.
Speaker 5: And talk just like me, which is crazy, but sadly,
Speaker 5: you know. I would have to go to work all
Speaker 5: day and we worked crazy hours, so she would be
Speaker 5: home alone. He didn't work, so he was home with her,
Speaker 5: and she progressively got like war anxiety and meaner, to
Speaker 5: the point where, like my friends and I if we
Speaker 5: would have her out and she would dance, since she
Speaker 5: would sit on me at night and I'd be like
Speaker 5: looking at my lines and she'd be like sitting with
Speaker 5: me in bed and cuddling in my hair and was
Speaker 5: the sweetest thing. And she'd do all these funny dances.
Speaker 5: And then she got to a point where something was
Speaker 5: going wrong in her life, which makes.
Speaker 3: Happening in Hawaii anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or like I was in a bad relationship, she
Speaker 5: also was in.
Speaker 4: A bad relationship.
Speaker 3: She felt it.
Speaker 5: Ramah and she literally like we would take her out,
Speaker 5: my friends and I and like she would run at
Speaker 5: the door and we'd have to lock ourselves in the bathroom.
Speaker 4: She'd be like pepping at the door, and.
Speaker 5: I was like, something's wrong with Charlie, Like she's not happy.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's happened. So anyway, I came home
Speaker 5: one night from work and I would always go to
Speaker 5: the cage and be like, oh, Charlie, I wouldn't stick
Speaker 5: my nose in the cage, and she'd come and go
Speaker 5: with her little black country go kiss me. And this
Speaker 5: one night, apparently he had been screaming at her all
Speaker 5: day and I didn't know this, but when I got home,
Speaker 5: he wasn't there, and I went to the cage and
Speaker 5: went Charlie bird, and she came up and just grabbed
Speaker 5: my nose so hard and wouldn't let go, and she
Speaker 5: was going ah, And I froze because I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't know how to get out of this. So
Speaker 5: I froze for a second.
Speaker 4: I said, you're okay, You're okay, and.
Speaker 5: For some reason and it hurt like it was she
Speaker 5: let go and I was like, whoa, I saw stars.
Speaker 4: I was like, that was painful. Their beaks are so
Speaker 4: sharp and she was a big bird.
Speaker 5: And I just remember walking to the guest bathroom and
Speaker 5: looking in the mirror and I couldn't see anything because
Speaker 5: it was just blood covering down here and I had
Speaker 5: no idea what had happened. I called my then boyfriend
Speaker 5: and said, emergency, I need to go, like nine one one.
Speaker 5: I got to go to the emergency room. The bird,
Speaker 5: I think, just bit my nose off like something bad.
Speaker 5: And he was like, I'm at the casino, sorry, an
Speaker 5: hour away.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to call your mom.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my cool, okay, thanks, So
Speaker 5: I called my mom. Thank goodness. My mom was like, okay,
Speaker 5: we're not going to the er. You need a plastic
Speaker 5: surgeon because it was bad, you guys, she had ripped
Speaker 5: right here. I had to get eight stitches. I still have.
Speaker 5: I still have the scar. And they said if she
Speaker 5: had gone a tiny bit more, it was already split open.
Speaker 5: It would have been like off, like they wouldn't have
Speaker 5: been able to put my nose back together, but she
Speaker 5: took me to this is weird, you guys, doctor Hofflin.
Speaker 5: Does this name ring a bell? Michael Jackson, doctor Hofflin,
Speaker 5: Is that ring any bells?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got nothing.
Speaker 5: He was like his plastic surgeon, like very involved in
Speaker 5: all his like everything, but was a plastic surgeon. My
Speaker 5: parents knew of and knew him and called him. He
Speaker 5: met us at the office and sewed it up and
Speaker 5: I had to have stitches. But then I had to
Speaker 5: go to work, which was mortified, and they couldn't write
Speaker 5: me out so they had to put a band aid.
Speaker 4: Theack.
Speaker 3: Oh you Well, My point was you did a really
Speaker 3: good job of acting, because I know how hard that
Speaker 3: must have been for you, because you probably were super
Speaker 3: self conscious more self I didn't even see it at
Speaker 3: that age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not even see it.
Speaker 5: You. I had like issues with my nose and didn't
Speaker 5: feel good about it, and then got my god a
Speaker 5: nose job and felt like it was a botch nose job.
Speaker 5: To this day, you know, I still am weird about
Speaker 5: my nose and only turned.
Speaker 4: To the side. But the good side that I like is.
Speaker 5: Actually the one that there's a scar, a really bad
Speaker 5: scar here. And when I tell people it's still a parent,
Speaker 5: they think, Okay, what's the real story. I'm like, no,
Speaker 5: a parrot bit through my nose, a parent wide open anyhow.
Speaker 5: And then I gave Remember I gave that parent to
Speaker 5: Nick Scillachi, our makeup artist. Yeah, because my mom was like,
Speaker 5: you got to get rid of the parrot that could
Speaker 5: have been your eye. And I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: but parents live to be like eighty nine, you have
Speaker 5: to will them.
Speaker 4: So he had a big farm and ran. She was
Speaker 4: our makeup artist. They had long to the animals, like
Speaker 4: eighty ninety.
Speaker 2: Years you was a parent's still around?
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure.
Speaker 5: Wow, we should ask Nick where Charlie Bird is.
Speaker 2: It's going to stay with me. I think all the
Speaker 2: things in this episode and just how like, well.
Speaker 3: First of all, it's going to stay with me. Noah,
Speaker 3: the guy that was talking to Andrea, like the activist
Speaker 3: when he comes in to talk to her and she's like, teh,
Speaker 3: her work. It really gets up in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at first I have that moment where I
Speaker 2: was like, is it him? But no, it's the laundromat guy, right,
Speaker 2: Like Tory, it's yeah. At first I had a moment
Speaker 2: of like, oh, but then you realize he sought her out.
Speaker 2: He was a little bit of a canniver because he
Speaker 2: acts like, oh, Andrea, I haven't seen you in a while.
Speaker 2: And then he's like I found you because of Brandon,
Speaker 2: which I thought was, you know, that's not really that's
Speaker 2: not cool. But whatever, it worked and she went right
Speaker 2: to Brandon's which I there is a moment in that scene.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys saw when she's going
Speaker 2: up the stairs and Brandon like hats her, holds her
Speaker 2: back kind of as she's walking up and looks at
Speaker 2: Jim and Cindy with the eyes like I don't know
Speaker 2: what she's doing here. I was like, good eye acting.
Speaker 5: Acting.
Speaker 3: You made a note about that?
Speaker 2: I sure did, He's all I was like, can I
Speaker 2: do that with my eyes?
Speaker 3: I made a note about Brandon doing the half tuck
Speaker 3: before the half tuck was a thing.
Speaker 2: Oh no, way, that's a good note. When did he
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 3: Like the front of the shot, I thought he looked
Speaker 3: just really hot in this episode. I'm all all about
Speaker 3: Brandon right now. Henny had all the silver bracelets.
Speaker 2: On, yeah, and the great color choices of his polos
Speaker 2: because they really brought out his eyes, both the bluish
Speaker 2: green and the burgundy. I was like, oh, it all right,
Speaker 2: he likes a polo.
Speaker 3: Andrea says something that was interesting. No, it wasn't Andrea,
Speaker 3: it was Janie. Janna says, you're either down with the
Speaker 3: First Amendment or you're not yes.
Speaker 2: Which yes, which That's why this episode is so complicated.
Speaker 2: There's like fourteen issues being discussed all at the same time.
Speaker 2: And I was like, an excellent point, Janie. That being said,
Speaker 2: I don't know about this Roland Turner guy. It was
Speaker 2: so complicated. I understand why Brandon had stained because I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know what I would do. This
Speaker 2: is a hot mess and very violent. There's sort of
Speaker 2: some really aggressive like yes, the scene with the with
Speaker 2: the with the swastikas on the building was very upsetting.
Speaker 2: And then I also understood when Brandon says they want
Speaker 2: them to remain there until tomorrow, because they're saying this
Speaker 2: could happen again. And You're like, this episode is so intense,
Speaker 2: It's filled with so much that just resonated today, just
Speaker 2: over and over again, especially with people saying things you
Speaker 2: to be so careful with your words, even though yes,
Speaker 2: the First Amendment is so important, but you do have
Speaker 2: to be so careful with your words and the power
Speaker 2: of your words. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, well, yeah, they started to
Speaker 3: go at it for real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole episode is just very like the same
Speaker 2: thing as wanting to talk to Chuck about the dream episode.
Speaker 2: I really want to talk to him about this, which
Speaker 2: I did try. He's on a plane, but maybe we
Speaker 2: can get him for the next episode. There's just so
Speaker 2: much to this. They must have rewritten this so carefully,
Speaker 2: so much many times, unless maybe I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: I's got it right the first.
Speaker 3: Time, but we should definitely ask him.
Speaker 2: It's just such a serious episode, and I I just
Speaker 2: it's overwhelming, especially because of today. And I wonder if
Speaker 2: Chuck how he feels about it today. He must be
Speaker 2: quite proud of himself.
Speaker 3: I would think, yeah.
Speaker 2: I would be if I were him. I wish I
Speaker 2: could ask your dad too, Torri about this episode. There's
Speaker 2: so many times when I think about that, but this one,
Speaker 2: like what it meant at the time. I don't know
Speaker 2: any Jenny changes subject the Gibson guitar we didn't talk
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Donna just comes in hot with that gift
Speaker 3: for Ray. Yeahs gives guitar.
Speaker 5: Weird foreshadowing because I've given a guitar to a boyfriend
Speaker 5: after this like later and then too husband.
Speaker 2: In real life later. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's so bizarre.
Speaker 2: They have such mixed feelings about Ray.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he snooze a rooney.
Speaker 2: I'm also just always like I'm so used to that
Speaker 2: scene where there's just really a violent scene that I'm
Speaker 2: always jarred by him, just always honest.
Speaker 3: I mean, his character's just written so snoozy, like he
Speaker 3: really doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2: Until he does.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was intentional too, to make him sort.
Speaker 3: Of seem the opposite.
Speaker 2: Hmm hmmm.
Speaker 3: So Pop didn't see you coming?
Speaker 5: I don't know, did you make them you want to
Speaker 5: see them together? Like it's just like they give him nothing.
Speaker 5: He's just like, there's sweet.
Speaker 2: He's very all about her, which I think becomes the problem.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe did you see No No the makeup artist
Speaker 3: in the Wow when Kelly was in the makeup trailer
Speaker 3: for her big Foot, Oh didn't happen? The lady that
Speaker 3: was doing her makeup was no, no, no.
Speaker 2: The real makeup artist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no way. When they do that, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I can't The seventeen storyline is interesting too, because there's
Speaker 2: there's obviously more to it.
Speaker 3: But it's not happening.
Speaker 2: Well I think it is. You're gonna get the cover now,
Speaker 2: and it's just going to be different.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be things different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Speaker 4: It's setting a lot up.
Speaker 2: There's just so much in this episode, all at the
Speaker 2: same time. Like I'm supposed to keep like all this straight,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Do you Like when Brandon goes to the gym and
Speaker 3: he always works out at the same arm machine. He's
Speaker 3: always at that fly machine that looks like it's from
Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Oh, and then there's a sort of moment between Andrea
Speaker 2: and Brandon. He comes out all sweaty because he works
Speaker 2: out in the morning, and obviously she's up because of
Speaker 2: the baby, and they sort of have this moment like,
Speaker 2: I guess we don't know our schedules anymore. And then
Speaker 2: she does give the heartfelt apology, which I actually like.
Speaker 2: I like her, like Andrea. She's a hot head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very opinionated and not afraid to voice her opinions,
Speaker 3: which is great. But I think what you said before,
Speaker 3: she doesn't really leave a lot of room for other
Speaker 3: people to have their opinions. And Jesse called that out, like,
Speaker 3: oh he really, Yeah, this is getting a little frictious
Speaker 3: in their relationship. Oh, I don't think that's gonna work out.
Speaker 2: I would give the episode award if there is one.
Speaker 2: Though to the to Gramma Rose, she's really comes with
Speaker 2: the wise words. Her experience with Colleena.
Speaker 5: Jer Zanne just never came back.
Speaker 3: It's just so weird.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, we have a different lady.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she had one episode and then just never came
Speaker 5: back as Gramdmar Rose.
Speaker 3: Like there, I know, I wish, Yeah, it's I wish
Speaker 3: she had stayed.
Speaker 2: But this Grammar Rose, this is that was a good
Speaker 2: performance and I do want to see her interview she did.
Speaker 3: What what about the moment at the end when Brandon
Speaker 3: turns around and sees that David has joined Andrea and
Speaker 3: accepted and stepped up to his religion. You know, he's
Speaker 3: found courage in everybody else, finding the courage.
Speaker 2: And the importance the importance of it.
Speaker 3: Supporting it. I liked it all, did feel that that
Speaker 3: moment was so hokey.
Speaker 2: Bit of a bow, A bit of bow, like all
Speaker 2: is right in the world, not wealthy.
Speaker 3: Here, everything's so yeah.
Speaker 2: Throughout the series though, it's not like this is the
Speaker 2: first time, like we they definitely dabble in, always touching
Speaker 2: on this. But yeah, I does ties up in a bow.
Speaker 3: So well in the next episode, will it be all different? Not?
Speaker 2: I think it's not for to again. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: think it isn't it's over, I'm not. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it's not even mentioned.
Speaker 4: The next one called.
Speaker 3: What the next one is called Rock of Ages episode twelve.
Speaker 3: That's y'all's homework by the way, to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah twelve and hard to find? Yeah to find?
Speaker 4: Where can they find it?
Speaker 2: Again? It's online on YouTube, Lorraine, but I think it's
Speaker 2: on the DVDs.
Speaker 3: You found it on daily Mail?
Speaker 2: No, daily Motion? Sorry, I called, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It is the end start with me.
Speaker 2: If you have the DVDs, it's on there, and then
Speaker 2: it's also on daily Motion, which I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is, but I'm gonna go dig in for it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely have the DVDs. I just don't have a
Speaker 2: DVD player. Gotta deal with that's such.
Speaker 3: I feel like we talked about everything for this episode.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's definitely a lot in there that we
Speaker 3: probably grazed over. But is it grazed or glazed? Glazed?
Speaker 4: Glazes a donut.
Speaker 3: If you graze over something, it means you're eating it
Speaker 3: as you go.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, blazed over light glazed lost. Perhaps you know,
Speaker 2: it's hard to.
Speaker 4: We did our best like a grazing. Grazing.
Speaker 2: It's hard to talk about a date for a birthday
Speaker 2: and anti semitism at the same time. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: It's really hard.
Speaker 3: It was an odd mix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so send us your comments and let us know.
Speaker 4: We have to this episode. I feel like we could
Speaker 4: get in trouble.
Speaker 2: I'm just giving it a ten based on the fact
Speaker 2: that it could not be more current.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, great, first, this is the
Speaker 3: first solid all tens there you go ever in the
Speaker 3: history of nine or two and oers.
Speaker 2: We're dancing with the stars.
Speaker 3: I'm jumping up and down right now. So that's what
Speaker 3: they do when you get tens. Okay, so next week
Speaker 3: we're gonna watch that episode and we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great, and you guys are all going
Speaker 3: to have the best week ever because we love you.
Speaker 4: This is true.
Speaker 2: By guys, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving, everybody, have a safe and wonderful Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: Meeting. You love you, but