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Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna go through every single player that played

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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty five New York Mets and rank

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Speaker 1: them on a tier list. We're grading every player from

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season. We're going from Dylan Ross,

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Speaker 1: who literally didn't appear in a game to Juan Soto,

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Speaker 1: a guy who is the most integral player on this team.

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Speaker 1: And we're starting off with the banger, James Jose Buddhoh,

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna go down the list. Jose Budo. Where

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Speaker 1: would you put Jose Budo Because a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a weird season, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean a weird season, he says. It's a crazy one

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Speaker 2: to start that with. But I guess first, also.

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Speaker 1: Shout out shout the intern for making the tier list. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I guess you just kind of have to give him

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Speaker 2: a CE like he was kind of where I was

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Speaker 2: thinking when he was on the Mets. He wasn't deplorable,

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Speaker 2: he didn't hurt the team drastically. He didn't help the

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Speaker 2: team a ton either. He was part of the trade

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the season. Kind of an emotional

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Speaker 2: little bit, but nothing. No real strong opinions on Jose

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Speaker 2: Buto either way here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some moments where he was unpitchable and

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Speaker 1: there were some moments where he was good. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of the Jose Buddou experience, a reason why the Mets

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Speaker 1: got rid of him. You could just you could find

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Speaker 1: Jose Buddo in the minor leagues anywhere, unfortunately, but this

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Speaker 1: was always a Jose Buddho podcast and will always be

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Speaker 1: a Jose Buddo podcast absolutely forever.

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Speaker 2: I also, can I make one critique of the tier

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Speaker 2: list before we could keep really get going into this.

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Speaker 1: You're taking a shot at the intern so go for it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, In terms of what we just did with

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Speaker 2: the leathers here, Okay, what either at instead of or

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Speaker 2: below F. Can we just have a tier that says ass, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll add ass.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think there.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we kind of need an asked

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Speaker 2: There's there's a couple guys not even the next guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm just as I'm looking at some of the stats

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Speaker 1: Okay, where's actually Sean and iyah? F for asked James,

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Speaker 1: because I think those are the only two places he

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Speaker 2: I know, especially the way that he took his accountability

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Speaker 1: If you pitched one good game, literally one good game,

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Speaker 2: This will always has forever been a big strike out

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Speaker 1: Was actually elite in that stat this year. Really, what

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine percent walk right in a five percent strike

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Speaker 1: Well, I was like, hold on a second, that is

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Speaker 1: He had arguably the best season of his career. Well,

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Speaker 2: That was the reasoning as to why jan Soto wasn't

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Speaker 2: this offseason. That's crazy to me.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not. I think that there's I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's always going to be so many eyeballs on wan

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best players in baseball and we

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Speaker 1: Soa quite literally, not a single thing. Next guy on

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Speaker 1: this list came up late our goat Brandon's broke, Where

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Speaker 2: I was going to actually say, see, usually you're the

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Speaker 2: just because it wasn't in terms of what we needed

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll put Brandons brought and see you convinced me.

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Speaker 2: It was also how many totally things of Brandons Brote

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Speaker 2: where is he twenty and two thirds?

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Speaker 1: Close? Pretty good? Yes, just a bit more than Ryan Helsley.

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Speaker 1: Oh god. Uh, this is why the ass tier was invented.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons. But I think Paul Blackburn

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Speaker 2: He went through a lifetime of injuries in the year

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Speaker 1: It's like the probably could have been a better guy

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Speaker 1: That's also crazy. I don't know how a winning team

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Speaker 1: Jonah Tongue.

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Speaker 2: I think Jonah Tongue I kind of consider him the

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Speaker 2: same as Sproute, where you came in and you helped

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Speaker 1: Up a lot of runs. Yeah, he definitely didn't really

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Speaker 1: he showed us what makes us excited about him in

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Speaker 2: I don't know which other pitcher in this organization could

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Speaker 1: Tom Hamble, what the hell? How do we rank him?

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Speaker 1: He got in a game. How many outs did he get?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now. Dom Hamill recorded for the

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Speaker 2: got pitched one complete inning. He didn't give up a run,

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Speaker 2: Elite S tier, Yeah, I mean yeah, why not?

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Speaker 1: Right? He did his job. Realistically, we're just gonna throw

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Speaker 1: He was elite. He couldn't have pitched better than he

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Speaker 2: He had everything that happened to Dom Hamill this year,

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Speaker 2: like it was crazy, the fact he went up and down,

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Speaker 1: So I think he gets the s tire for that alone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Completely forgot the outfielder that was on the Padres forever.

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Speaker 1: It's Jose as Jose, I want to call him Alex.

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Speaker 1: comes to Jose Ozocar. He's played.

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Speaker 2: He appeared in twenty games for the Mets this season

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Speaker 2: at twenty play.

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Speaker 1: The appearances so.

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Speaker 1: Dicky love Lady, I believe this is Dickie love Lady.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? This looks like if you asked

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Speaker 1: Grock to make a baseball player, who could Justin Garza.

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Speaker 1: It could be Justin Garza. That's a good guess, could

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Speaker 1: it be? It's not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's go through some of the weird ones here.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely not Zuber. It's not Zach Pop.

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Speaker 1: Who's the guy next to him? Is this the next man?

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Speaker 1: The next tiame is Colin Poche com Oh my god, yes,

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Speaker 1: super Wait Zuper's below Pintaro. Pintaro's next to Nolan McLay.

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Speaker 1: This is bad. I can't believe some of the guys

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Speaker 1: Baseball Reference, You're gonna have to be our stat checker here.

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Speaker 1: I know you love fangrafts, but you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be reference for us. That is Justin Garza. Okay. I

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that could be one of the last

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Speaker 2: I think he probably will wind up being one of

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Speaker 2: it did. Never didn't really miss any bats. He gave

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Speaker 1: This you al right? I don't even remember it. I

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Speaker 2: I think it's first time I've ever cited a strike

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Speaker 1: This is the guy pull up that Mets active roster

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Speaker 1: or like been Colin Poche. I'm doing it right now.

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Speaker 2: I think that's Colin. That is Colin for sure, that's

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Speaker 2: That's who I thought Colin is.

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Speaker 1: Who the hell is this guy? Have a guess. I

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Speaker 1: really hope you guys are watching this one. That's Ross

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's what Zach pop Zach pop. That's

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Speaker 1: Zach Popp? Is Kevin Hurget Kevin Hrget? Yeah? You confirmed? Confirmed?

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Speaker 1: Really embarrassing for the team, not for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get kind of hard, got out, I guess yeah,

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Speaker 1: He was bad. I know he throws a hundred, but

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Speaker 1: For no reason, they were like, Alex Correo, you're our

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Speaker 2: A complish got into one game and they were like,

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Speaker 1: Like we could not see you pitch again for this team.

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Speaker 1: That was your guy for a little bit, wasn't it

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Speaker 2: I love Complische because he was on that original Las Brazdowski.

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Speaker 2: I think that graphic where it was the every arms

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonathan Pintaro, really cool story. Sadly ass, sadly ass.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. He's such a nice guy. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Nolan McLain s. I think Nolan McLain s. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to hear a crazy stat about Nolan McLain I

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Speaker 2: I mean might maybe thread the knee a little bit

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Speaker 1: If he can win Rookie of the Year next season, yes,

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Speaker 1: or finish in the top three or is that not it?

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Speaker 1: He needs to finish in the top three of CY Young.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's win Rookie of the Year or finished

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Speaker 2: top three in cy Young or MVP cool all right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Noel McLain was disgusting. He is the best pitcher

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Speaker 2: Where where's Nolan McLain have to be in the rotation

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Speaker 1: I don't think he should be the one, but I

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Speaker 2: It seems like everyone's really high Nolan McLain, and for

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Speaker 2: these Wildcard games on Tuesday, being like, I wish Ian

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, David Peterson, this is a weird one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so unpitchable for the last couple of

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Speaker 1: Paul Blackburn coming in in relief game. Yeah, for Clay Holmes,

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Speaker 2: is a shame because that's not really the biggest jump

437
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Speaker 2: in the world. But yeah, you also just kind of

438
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Speaker 2: wish that you could have insulated him a bit more

439
00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,240
Speaker 2: against the workload issues if you just had more pitching

440
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Speaker 2: depth that didn't get her in the middle months.

441
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Speaker 1: Can't wait. The Tyler McGill ranking.

442
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,480
Speaker 2: Is going to come up soon, but he's just it's

443
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Speaker 2: I think you guys kind of have to give Peterson

444
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Speaker 2: still a c.

445
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Speaker 1: I was thinking that because there was good and there

446
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Speaker 1: was bad. At the end of the day, he's not

447
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Speaker 1: the reason we didn't make the playoffs, because that would

448
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Speaker 1: be insane because of what he did at the beginning

449
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 1: of the year. But he was also not the reason

450
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,520
Speaker 1: why we could make the playoffs, and.

451
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Speaker 2: He still led the team an innings, so I give

452
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Speaker 2: him some credit for that a team that desperately needed innings.

453
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Speaker 1: Yes, Wascar braso Bon, I see that there's no one

454
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Speaker 1: in the b Deer and that feels like a great

455
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Speaker 1: place for Wascar Brosobon, who shout out to him getting

456
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Speaker 1: sent up and down from Syracuse all year long. He

457
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,480
Speaker 1: made that place his home. He might get his number retired.

458
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Speaker 1: Could be maybe one of the oldest guys that still

459
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Speaker 1: has options in all of Major League Baseball and uses

460
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Speaker 1: those options. He's so old. But Wascar Brosobon was just

461
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Speaker 1: kind of good this year. I think, a unsung good

462
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Speaker 1: reliever in this team. And if it wasn't for the options,

463
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Speaker 1: I think they would have kept him around a lot more. Totally.

464
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Speaker 2: I think I think the thing that really hurt Brozebon

465
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Speaker 2: wasc that when he began the year, he was one

466
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Speaker 2: of those guys that made like six appearances and gave

467
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Speaker 2: up no runs. So then you start to get people

468
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Speaker 2: talking about you of Wascot Brazubon could be like the

469
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Speaker 2: next big reliever that was never going to be the case,

470
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Speaker 2: but just being someone that could be well utilized out

471
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,639
Speaker 2: of this bullpen. That's sinker and changeup win end up

472
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 2: both being real weapons. Like he threw ninety seven ninety

473
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Speaker 2: eight miles an hour. It all worked out nicely for

474
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Speaker 2: Wascau Brazabon, Like, I was happy he was on this team,

475
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Speaker 2: and he's a good chess piece for what kind of

476
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Speaker 2: bullpen we're trying to build.

477
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Speaker 1: One of the few guys that it will actually be

478
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Speaker 1: in the bullpen from this current team next year.

479
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Speaker 2: And I'll keep bringing these things up because they're funny

480
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,199
Speaker 2: to talk about. Mark guess where Wascout Brosubon ranked on

481
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Speaker 2: this team and then ex pitched.

482
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like eighth. It was seventh's so high

483
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Speaker 1: for a reliever.

484
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Speaker 2: With sixty three innings and there was another reliever ahead

485
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Speaker 2: of him.

486
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Speaker 1: There was another reliever ahead of him. Yes, this one

487
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Speaker 1: will shock you. I can't wait till we get to

488
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Speaker 1: his ranking. Okay, can I just guess right now? Guess

489
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Speaker 1: right now? Read Garrett No, WHOA Right, We'll get there

490
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Speaker 1: when when his name pops up. I'm sure I'll know

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Speaker 1: what it is.

492
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Speaker 2: We're gonna do innings pitch trivia with these forty six

493
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Speaker 2: pitchers the entire night, the entire show.

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Speaker 1: Here, all right, let's talk about Max Granick. Shame because

495
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: he blew out his elbow. Probably done for next year

496
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: as well. If we had to take a guess, because

497
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Speaker 1: I think that's his second Tommy John, it might just

498
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 1: be done done. Sucks. But in the time that we

499
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Speaker 1: had him, I thought he was good. I think he

500
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: was a guy that goes in the B tier as well.

501
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,239
Speaker 1: He was a capable reliever. He wasn't as sharp as

502
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Speaker 1: he was in spring or at the start of the season,

503
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 1: but he could kind of track the injury to when

504
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Speaker 1: he started pitching poorly.

505
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 2: Definitely, he was another guy where when the pitching staff

506
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Speaker 2: was working early in the season, he was a big

507
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: piece that could come in and get you the five

508
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Speaker 2: or six outs and be like the bridge between the

509
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Speaker 2: starters who were still on going five then and the

510
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 2: late inning relievers went birth themselves out. Yet here's another

511
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Speaker 2: funny pitch a trivia question. Okay, guess Max Cranic strikeout

512
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Speaker 2: rate this year twenty eight percent sixteen point nine shockingly low?

513
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Speaker 1: Wait what very low? That's really low. It was his

514
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Speaker 1: walk great three percent? All right, that's right, that'll play.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah that.

516
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Speaker 2: But I was also very surprised seeing how few strikeouts

517
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Speaker 2: to work. Espectially thinking back to how I remember perceived him,

518
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Speaker 2: I think towards the end he just he when he

519
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: was getting used a lot, a lot, a lot, I

520
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 2: think he just kind of had nothing left in the tank.

521
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Speaker 2: Brooks Raley, Brooks really was awesome.

522
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Speaker 1: I think he goes in the eight tier. I was

523
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Speaker 1: gonna say the s tier did was it? Starting with

524
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Speaker 1: a one? It was a two four?

525
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Speaker 2: Twenty five percent strikeouts. I'm gonna see how many innings

526
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Speaker 2: he had here, because I have those two things in

527
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Speaker 2: different tabs. For some reason, only wind up going twenty

528
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: six innings. That felt like a lifetime to be honest

529
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Speaker 2: to him. Yeah, But I mean Brooks Raley was a godsend,

530
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Speaker 2: like Brooks Rayley him him leaving the game that Sunday

531
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Speaker 2: with someone that's a moment where I was like, oh,

532
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Speaker 2: now we're actually done here. I think Brooks Raley his

533
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Speaker 2: third of the appearances this year. He was the second

534
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Speaker 2: most important leave on this team basically the whole time.

535
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you've convinced me again. I'll put Brooks Raley

536
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Speaker 1: in s. He was the best left handed relievers. He

537
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Speaker 1: was phenomenal for this team down the stretch every single

538
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Speaker 1: time that they needed him really important. Tyler Rodgers is

539
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Speaker 1: a weird one. This is one where I don't think

540
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Speaker 1: the numbers are gonna match where my grade. I was

541
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Speaker 1: quite disappointed with Tyler Rodgers. Is that fair to say?

542
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Speaker 1: Not a piece of pitching trivia?

543
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Speaker 2: What do you think Tyler Rodgers era was as a

544
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Speaker 2: met two three six two three?

545
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Speaker 1: Oh, that was unbelievable. Was pretty close. Okay, I knew

546
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: he was gonna start in the low twos, but he

547
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Speaker 1: it felt like he gave up every inherited runner that

548
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Speaker 1: he ever had, Like he didn't actually give up the

549
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: runs for the guys that he faced, they didn't score,

550
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Speaker 1: but anybody who was on base felt like they scored

551
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Speaker 1: when he came in the game. Yeah, I agree with that.

552
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Speaker 1: So it's somewhere between C and B. I'll let you

553
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Speaker 1: make the call. I think I'm gonna put him in

554
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Speaker 1: C just because he was explodedseless. He was expected to

555
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Speaker 1: be better and he just never You never felt comfortable

556
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Speaker 1: truly with Tyler Rodgers in the game. Right.

557
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Speaker 2: It's a funny thing with Tyler Rodgers because he seems

558
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Speaker 2: like the kind of reliever where you oddly like want

559
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Speaker 2: the bigger sample, you know what I mean, Like you

560
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: want Tyler Rodgers to get more innings, more pss. I

561
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Speaker 2: feel like you do that over the whole season that

562
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Speaker 2: will really drive down his ra And again, it's funy

563
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Speaker 2: to look back how low the era was, but I

564
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Speaker 2: guess it's a little bit of bad taste in my

565
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Speaker 2: mouth from Game one sixty two. And also just the

566
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Speaker 2: fact that, like you said, weren't clean innings. But I

567
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: don't think you get Talar Rodgers for clean innings. Also,

568
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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see the retrospective of the Taler Rodgers

569
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Speaker 2: trade in a few years when I just don't know

570
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Speaker 2: what's gonna wind up happening to Blade, ted Well, Drew Gilbert.

571
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Speaker 2: But I still I still think it's a trade you make.

572
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Speaker 1: C or B. You tell me, I think see I'll

573
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Speaker 1: give you C right there, Okay, Tyler Rodgers in C

574
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Speaker 1: my boy, Gregorysoto. I am biased on this one, so

575
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you to tell me where to put him,

576
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Speaker 1: because if it was for me, he was like dr F.

577
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Speaker 1: I thought he sucked. Yeah, I was gonna say, d

578
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Speaker 1: I think it was. It wasn't very good. There were moments.

579
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Speaker 1: He's never been good. That's the whole thing with him

580
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: is he's never been good. He can't throw strikes, he

581
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Speaker 1: doesn't get left these out, he can't get right. He's out.

582
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Speaker 1: Mark Locatta, he sucks. He sucks. Don't you ever call

583
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Speaker 1: me Mark Locatta.

584
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Speaker 2: You look at the Maratha the last few good episodes here,

585
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: but I think say to trade Frans to school the door? Yeah,

586
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Speaker 2: I mean, who knows gonna happens? Five more episodes from

587
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: right now? Who knows wheream Head's gonna be at? But

588
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: I specifically will always remember that gregorys so though bad

589
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: throw against the Padres, that was the one that broke

590
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: my heart the most.

591
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: Truthfully, he just he sucks. He's always sucked. We watched

592
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: them pitch for the Phillies, say he's terrible. I would

593
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: have put him in ass, but truthfully probably is d

594
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: He like got out one time, he.

595
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: Got out a few times. He was useful for at

596
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Speaker 2: least a month and a half.

597
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Speaker 1: And it's hard to put him in ass when this

598
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: is the ass man right here, Ryan Helsley, somebody who

599
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: you've you've shared a beverage with. I have, and he

600
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: has been about as bad as you could ever be.

601
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: For sure.

602
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Speaker 2: The most pain about Ryan Helsey is going to be

603
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Speaker 2: next season when he's awesome for the Texas Rangers. Yeah,

604
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: closer in Texas Rangers make now with that one who

605
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: knows where, who knows if it's even here. I mean, like,

606
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Speaker 2: I just think that it's it's just we're gonna look

607
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: back on Ryan Helsey remember the rest of our lives

608
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Speaker 2: how badly that turned out.

609
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Speaker 1: Did you see David Stearns in the press conference talk

610
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: about the trades. He's not bringing Ryan Helsley back, even

611
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Speaker 1: if it was for free. Yeah, I think you're probably

612
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: right about that. He's good. He's waking up in the

613
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Speaker 1: middle of the night to nightmares of watching Ryan Helsley

614
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Speaker 1: pitch in his head.

615
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Speaker 2: Could you just imagine the difference in a mo when

616
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: we got Ryan Helsley and how that felt. We were like, Wow,

617
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: we're the best eighth nine Bob back to punch of

618
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: the bullpen the entire league. This was one of the

619
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Speaker 2: five best relievers in baseball for four straight years.

620
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: I was at an influencer event, which is I hate

621
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: saying out loud, but that's what it was called Shyow Mark,

622
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: and I literally like someone was giving a speech and

623
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Speaker 1: I like stomped my foot and went like yeah, and

624
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like someone came up to were like Elsley, let's go. Boy?

625
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Was that the height of the Ryan Elsley

626
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Speaker 1: Mets experience And that first game against the Giants where

627
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: he got through a clean inning. Yes, Jose Castillo, he

628
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: weirdly I think had a low era with the Mets, right,

629
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: but he did definitely wasn't good.

630
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: He had LOWI ray, and he struck out lots of

631
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: bathers and he also got kind of unlucky in his

632
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: balls and played. But I also did watch him. It

633
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: was never impressed, Like he was one where I thought

634
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: there may be was something there, and he got picked

635
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Speaker 2: up by somebody and was pitching through the end of

636
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Speaker 2: the season. I think it was the Orioles, Actually it

637
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: was the Oriols. The Orioles kicked the ball or scraps

638
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: confirmed oorals. I mean, the Orioles got sharp people in

639
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: that in that room, and they had a very good

640
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: waiver claim for the middle part of the season. I

641
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: think you got you might see Jose Castillo still be

642
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: pitching in the majors next year.

643
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: For us. It was a journey, but he.

644
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Did get that huge double play that was against the Phillies, right, yeah,

645
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: I think so I me might give him see just

646
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: for that cool I'm down, gon, We're gonna wind up

647
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: overrunning this seat here, big boom aj aj mintor God, God,

648
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: how different this bullpen would feel if this guy didn't

649
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: get hurt.

650
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: He started hurt, got hurt. In the time that we

651
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Speaker 1: had him, he was pretty incredible, only eleven innings. Got

652
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: hurt in April. Was painful. But you probably just give

653
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: him an a just because how good he was. Yeah,

654
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: I think in the moment, how good he was, I'd

655
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: give him an A. And I can't fault him. I

656
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: can't knock him down forgetting hurt.

657
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: No, of course, not same with you know the David

658
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: starting people like built a horrible bullpen like the Agan

659
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Mintor was one of the most important pieces of that

660
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: bullpen heading into the season.

661
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: It was terrible how that happened. This guy is who

662
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: who is that? Is that Kristovinski? That feels like it

663
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: could be Kristovinski? Okay, confirmed, confirmed, Christi Vinsky. I'm gonna

664
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: tell you Kristovinski got screwed by the Mets. And you

665
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: loved Kristi Vinski. You remember Christophinsky. He had that three

666
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: innings against that was the Yankees. Yeah, and he was

667
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: awesome in the sixteen innings that he pitched. He had

668
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: a sub one whip, he had a two ERA and

669
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: if you look at his k rates and stuff like that,

670
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: like they're not jumping off the page, but twenty k

671
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: rate seven percent walk great. I don't really understand why

672
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: he didn't get more looks in this bullpen. That was horrible. Yeah.

673
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: Christophinski also's first appearance of the year. He came up

674
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: for one day against the Diamonbacks. Pitch him up up, dude.

675
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: He gave up two quick runs. I think it was

676
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: two homers or one homer or something like that. But

677
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: then he got sent down for a month. He came

678
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: back up, had a clean inning, got set down for

679
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: another full month and was one of the guys that

680
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: like helped us really bridge the gap in July when

681
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: we were kind of out of pitching. He pitched pretty

682
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: well the entire sign with that nice change up'd weirdly

683
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: put him in a I guess I really can't believe

684
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: how people are gonna be clicking this video wanting to

685
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: hear about Pilonzo Juan so though, Francisco Lindoor and we're

686
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: talking about Kristovinski, Dicky Love Lady.

687
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: No, that's why they go on. They want to hear

688
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: us talk about those guys.

689
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: I guess again, like Christe Vinky, what a for what

690
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: he did because he literally showed up and he got

691
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: out when we needed them.

692
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Brandon Waddell Brandon Wall was another.

693
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: Guy where it probably felt better than it was, especially

694
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: early on. He's the kind of guy who you just

695
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: wish didn't throw thirty innings this season. Truthfully, the era

696
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: was low, but everything kind of told us the whole

697
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: time that this was not going to remain low. I

698
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: think he classically fits once again in the big fat

699
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: seats here.

700
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: You're gonnaut him in. See okay, I was gonna say

701
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: d but see he's fine. Shut it up Code I Sanga.

702
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: So this is another weird one because.

703
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 2: We've been we've been critical of Code I throughout and

704
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: the weirdness just kind of persisted through spring training all

705
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: the way to the end, through the middle of last

706
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 2: season even in a way, and I remember we did

707
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: the interview with Tim Healey shout out to Tim Healey

708
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: now still covering the right section of the Boston Globe,

709
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: lost their insither but basically telling us that it was

710
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: like the biggest story no one was talking about, that

711
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: Kodai Sanga still hadn't thrown a competitive pitch and we

712
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: were ready beginning spring training, and again it just never stopped.

713
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: I know the era was still low in the first

714
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: half was great, but it still felt like smoking mirrors

715
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: basically that entire time. Like I was never I never

716
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: felt for a second like we were watching the twenty twenty.

717
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Three version of Kodai Sanga. This season, we may we

718
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: maybe got two or three actual good starts. The rest

719
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: of them were like he didn't give up runs, but

720
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: he had guys first and second. Every single inning of

721
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: felt like and got the big double player, got strikeouts

722
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: when he needed it. He just was not not the

723
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: Code that we needed him. I wouldn't put him in

724
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the same tier as Manaia by the way, they still

725
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: pitched well, I'd probably put him in D though. Is

726
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: that crazy?

727
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: I think that still is crazy because you still got

728
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: that just Indred fifteen innings of a three O era.

729
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: I guess I can't still something that happened.

730
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: I can't put him higher than See though, because he

731
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: wasn't there when we needed him most at the end. True, Yeah,

732
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: that's totally fair. He literally he literally wasn't there.

733
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: Would be great Peterson see he was in C as well. Okay,

734
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: I think I would view those two guys seasons somewhat similarly.

735
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, right, we'll put code ice and get and

736
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: See not good, kind of bad, but we'll be a

737
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: little respectful. Yeah, dead meel yikes. I looked bad.

738
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: High hopes, we had very high hopes, and the second hopes,

739
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: the second he began to actually get it together, the

740
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: elbow exploded.

741
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: I think you guys just have to be D r F. Yeah,

742
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: I'll put that in the L and F because it

743
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: just took forever for him to get going. Looked like

744
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't really in the best of shape either. On

745
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: the mound. Yeah, you never want to call that out,

746
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: but did seem true? Danny Young did he threw what

747
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: like six pitches I think for this team this year

748
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: the eight innings, and you know what, he struck the

749
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: world out in those eight innings. Yeah, and then he

750
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: blew out his elbow as well, I believe right.

751
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: Yes, but he's someone who again, like if he six

752
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: round all year, like, I think he would have been

753
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: a useful part of this bullpen, probably be or c

754
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: for him.

755
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Back in the seas here. Baby, all these guys can't

756
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: really say said, oh, Justin Hagenman. Okay, he wasn't nearly

757
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: as bad as we thought, but I definitely still don't

758
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: want like similarly, I don't really want to see him

759
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: pitching too often.

760
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: I I liked Hagean more than Waddell throughout, and I

761
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: think that Hageman kind of should have had look a

762
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: few more chances than got a couple more of them

763
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: that could have wound up just being scheduling things. But

764
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: I love a guy like Hageman who doesn't walk anybody

765
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: when you're going to come in and be like a

766
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: spot star there like a random innings either. I love

767
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: that you're just challenging guys, putting the ball in play,

768
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: letting your defense help you.

769
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: He did really well also with that color change up.

770
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I just liked I liked him enough to be the

771
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: eighth starter. This second guy, I'm gonna I'm gonna let

772
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: you pick where Justin Hagenman goes.

773
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: I think it'll just still be a CEE even those guys.

774
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm talking about him, but it's.

775
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: Not You're gonna fight for me. Well, I'm not.

776
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna fight for Justin Hageman. I'm sorry to

777
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: Hagenan family, but that's not what I'm gonna do.

778
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: You know who we are gonna fight for though, hard

779
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: Rico motherfucking Garcia one of the biggest mistakes in the

780
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: David Stearns tenure, bigger than trading for Ryan Helsley, letting

781
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Rico Garcia walk.

782
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: Rico Garcia was like identified in the offseason. He was

783
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: the big call out from me and us from the

784
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: glob of chaos, being like, this is the guy who

785
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: he comes up, he's a real good chance to be

786
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: a piece.

787
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: And then he came up. You know what, He was

788
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: a peace the entire time, and then we pushed him

789
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: a little too hard, still was able to handle it,

790
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: never really gave up runs, never really put himself in

791
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: the bad situation.

792
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: But Booth loved him. Booth deservedly loved him. Seems like

793
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: the guys loved him too. And then afterwards he went

794
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: to Baltimore and continued to pitch well because we caught

795
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: him just because he didn't have options and it was

796
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: a time where we need an arm and he had

797
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: thrown two winnings day before. I thought that was a

798
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: very near side move by David Seerns, where he I

799
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: think was much too robotic and putting the whole glob

800
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: of chaos together as one where you look at the

801
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: guy at Rico Garzia and it was clear that his

802
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: stuff was good enough to rise above the rest. That

803
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: was a disappointing move and looking back, was something that

804
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: truthfully probably cost this team a good bit.

805
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh, he would have been getting major routes for this team.

806
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: Would have been like the setup man in August, truthfully

807
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: say where we putting them? James, I would put put

808
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: Rico Garcia up there. That's our guy, recal, this is

809
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: our video. We could do whatever we want. That's okay.

810
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: So the stier just update you guys.

811
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: On the audio side, we have one so though dom Hammill,

812
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Nolan McLain, Brooks, Railian, Rico Garcia eight, the A tier

813
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: we have Austin Warren, Aj Minter and Who's and Christavinski, Christovinski,

814
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 2: and the B tier we have Wastcar, Brozabon and Max Krannick.

815
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: Ah. This next guy, I thinks, Tayadcock a beer, tells

816
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: me tyad Cock. Yeah, it's Tyadcock c r D probably right.

817
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he didn't give up runs when

818
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: he pitched, but he wasn't good.

819
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: I was still I guess she just put him in

820
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the D tier. Put in the d T. Sorry, tyad Cock.

821
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: At Cock belongs to the D Tierseania was so bad

822
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: he was asked. He was asked he was so bad.

823
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: That's when we also like were really like, is David

824
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Stern's listening to this podcast because there was no reason

825
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: for the Mets to ever sign Jose Irania. And I

826
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: think I threw him out that one time, like he

827
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: threw a hundred last year, threw a pitch out one hundred,

828
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: and then the Mets signed him. That was insane, and

829
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: he was ass another guy that was sad Lee ass

830
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: he was a little bit of a Mets Twitter legend.

831
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Thought it was gonna be like a classic pitching lab fix.

832
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: Tyler Zuber, I think was also asked, he's just not

833
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: really a major league pitcher in the Cape in the

834
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: frame that he was at. No, but he also like

835
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: did the things that you expected him to do or

836
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: he was He did get strikeouts. He I think he

837
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: just gave up bombs if I remember correctly. Yeah, he

838
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: gave up thirteen. He gave up two earned runs and

839
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: two winnings. Struck out three guys of the nine he faced.

840
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: It was a really small sample with the Mets. They

841
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: got rid of him immediately he did. Does it make

842
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: it feel better? They went to Miami and also stunk. Yeah. No,

843
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm no.

844
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: Shame in at all. You give you give the guy

845
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: like got a shot. He was a fun he was

846
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: a fun person there. But I think he still belongs

847
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: in the F tier. Yeah, unfortunately he does. Zach Pop

848
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: also belongs in the F tier. I remember the Zach

849
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: Pop game. Dude like, oh yeah, actually, you are right.

850
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: He goes in the ass here put him in the

851
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: middle of a day game, just the first guy at

852
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: the bullpen and what do you know, Zach Pop had nothing.

853
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: The Blue Jays bullpen didn't want him, and we tried

854
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: him and he's still stunk. Terrible asked here Louis Trends.

855
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: So the defense was unbelievable.

856
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: He will play this. It feels crazy to be talking

857
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 2: about it. Hither, it does feel crazy.

858
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Every single guy we're talking about is a bullshit reliever.

859
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: Yeah we got and we got two catchers right next

860
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: to each other, with Louis Trenz and Hayden Sanger back

861
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: to back. Terrenz James, somebody little something about him.

862
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: I think you still have to consider him in the

863
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: beats here. He a lot was asked if him this year,

864
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: more than you would usually ask of a backup catcher.

865
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: And he does hit the ball. Heart's always on the

866
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: ground to the opposi the field though. But the defense

867
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: of Louis Torens is great. It seems like he's also

868
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: just a good clubhouse, locker room guy. Seems like the

869
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: guys in the team like him. It seems like the

870
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: pitchers really enjoy pitching to him. They were those couple

871
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: games towards the end of the season where he was

872
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: catching at Alvarez with Dhing even just two catchers on

873
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: the roster, I know we can't hit. We're not really

874
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: valuating our backup catcher in their ability to hit. And

875
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: he's an as Defensively, I'm happy to have Louise Trenz

876
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: in this organization moving forward.

877
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal backup catcher and the ability to throw

878
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: out runners at the rate that he is is legitimately

879
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: a weapon, which you can't really say about most backup

880
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: catchers in the league. Change. He changes games when he's

881
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: in behind the plate. Could you would you imagine saying.

882
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: That about your backup No, and again like to have

883
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: like it's it's like a funny thing to say, like

884
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: have that backup catcher locked up in a comfortable way.

885
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: It's a nice little feeling. Yes, Hayden Sanger, he's gonna

886
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: be the third catcher. He's not going anywhere. There's no

887
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: reason for it. Now that being said, he can't hit

888
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: a lick. I don't Again, I don't know if he'd

889
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: be the best hitter in our softball league. But not

890
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: the new one. Not the new one. Definitely not the

891
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: new one. Shout out modified softball, slow pitch and the

892
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Witt Clinton to win modify fast. Yeah, Clinton de Witt,

893
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: Clinton de Witt. But he's good defensively, but.

894
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: Great defensively, probably eff d. I was still going, I was,

895
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm addicted to the cetre. I was gonna

896
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: give him there again, James, what if I told you,

897
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know how bad it is, but again,

898
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: that's the third catcher.

899
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: What if I told you that our ops is closer

900
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: to Hayden Sangers than Hayden Sangers is to Juan Soto.

901
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: I think you could probably find a more funny guy

902
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: with temper to play that stat off of.

903
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: What if I told you eight four fifteen. What if

904
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: I told you that Hayden Sanger's OPS was closer to ours,

905
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: which is zero and would be a zero if we

906
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: ever played in Major League Baseball, then Hayden Sanger's was

907
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: to Peel. Yeah, but Pete's still really good. Pan. We

908
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: really didn't have anybody with eights. Huh, Yeah, that was it.

909
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: Those are the only guys because the Lindor Hayn Sang

910
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: was closer to Lindor than we were.

911
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: The Hayden SANGERKA. But yeah, I think I think he

912
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: has to go in d all Right, honey, I did

913
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: throt catchers played good defense. Yeah, nothing against him, our

914
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: King Gryffin Canning. Geez, I very much want to fight

915
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: for him in a tier. He was signed for four

916
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: million dollars. He pitched only against good teams, and he

917
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: won every time he stepped up on the mound. Season

918
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: was ended short. We saw the wheels coming off before

919
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: that where he was getting hits tolearn more, and honestly,

920
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: he was probably not gonna make it to the end

921
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: of the year on this team. If he was, it

922
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: was gonna be a reliever role. But in the time

923
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: that we had Gryffin Canning, he was pretty fucking awesome.

924
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: I'll say this too about Griffin Canning.

925
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: I said this on Twitter, and some of the people

926
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: who understood what us saying were like, that's actually a

927
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: good point than some of the you know, the WIF

928
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: fan listeners out there were like, how could you say?

929
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.

930
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: The second Griffin Cannon got hurt is when the wheels

931
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: fell off a million, which is very funny because inside

932
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: of the inside of ten days, it was the Sanga injury,

933
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: the Griffin Canning injury, and the Tyler McGill injury. The

934
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: three headed horsemen of the Mets pitching depth this season,

935
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: and it did change a lot. I don't think I

936
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: can put them in a though, just because I make guess,

937
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: you know, for the vibes, I'm down to put them

938
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: in a But we knew if he made two more starts,

939
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: he was he was about to get lit. But here's

940
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: a not a fun stat Griffin Canning. Guess where he

941
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: ranked on the Mets and innings pitch this year?

942
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: Fourth? Yeah? Fourth?

943
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: Now nice, you want to give me an innings guess

944
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: eighty eight, seventy six.

945
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: That's so low, so few. God, next up, James, we

946
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: got al troll. Francisco Alvarez. I love Francisco Alparez.

947
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: This is a funny ranking too, because I feel like

948
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: you and I are just simply higher on Francisco Alvarez

949
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: than the rest of the world Mets comunity. I also

950
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: think they were the point with the Mets community is

951
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: lower on Francisco Alvarez than the rest of the baseball community.

952
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think sometimes the Mets community loves to hate

953
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: being a Met fan.

954
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: I think that like, you look at the guy like

955
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: Francisco Alvarez and it's just so apparent how talented he is,

956
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: how good he can be, how good he already is.

957
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: He had the fourth highest OPS on this team this year,

958
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: like I think, just I know, he only got to

959
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: play a half season's worth of games, but a lot

960
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: of that wasn't exactly his fault. I mean, I guess

961
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: some people will blame him for the slide to second base,

962
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: but he missed a week with that Shorren thumb ligament,

963
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm really impressed by how he came

964
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: back from the demotion, like be able to handle that

965
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: mentally at still the young age of twenty.

966
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: Three years old. Not y say twenty three point.

967
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: I think he's turning twenty four soon, but twenty three.

968
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: I think I think he's turning twenty four, like in

969
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: two weeks. Yeah, I know, maybe it's like November, the

970
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: first week of November or something rather so, Yeah, we'll

971
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: keep an eye on that for Francisco.

972
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: But he's tremendous.

973
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: I'm I'm happy to write him in sharpie as the

974
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Mets catcher as long as he's as long as we

975
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: can keep him there.

976
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good, and those numbers look good even

977
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: with the half of his half season where he was

978
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: trying out the new stance and was pretty horrible, like bad, bad, Can.

979
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: I also make a prediction of Reut Francisco Alvarez. Yeah,

980
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: hit me with the prediction this offseason. I think he

981
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: does get an extension.

982
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: Oo.

983
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: I think that you've you're in a situation where like

984
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: I think both sides feel good about an extension, where

985
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: he now another year further from free agency, has seen

986
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: how dangerous this position is and how much you have

987
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: the opportunity to get hurt. I think he wants to

988
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: lock up a bunch of money, and the team has

989
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: some good math in their direction because alvarez arbitration numbers

990
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: aren't that high because of the way the last two

991
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: years are accounting stats wise, and just because they do

992
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: have an extra year of the arbitration, so you can

993
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: kind of bake in a couple extra years there at

994
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: lower rates that I think that everybody would be very

995
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: happy to right now get to the table and make

996
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: something happen that works.

997
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to pendle him in for the next

998
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: seven years as the Mets catcher. I'd be good with that.

999
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: A or B. James, where are you putting them?

1000
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: Is crazy to go A for Guylin played seventy six

1001
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: games and sucks for most of those.

1002
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: I think, ye, b B, I think that's a good,

1003
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: good thing to put him in B. He was. It

1004
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: was a good season, but could have been better. Yeah,

1005
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: should have been better. Pete Alonzo Pete was awesome. I

1006
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: mean Pete does what Pete does. He hits home runs,

1007
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: he drives in runs, he hits for power, he has

1008
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: a high ops. I like Pete's Pete's awesome. I don't

1009
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: does he go in S. I'd be very happy to

1010
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: put him in S. And Peak got a lot of

1011
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: the big hits for this team. I do know that.

1012
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: There was a time and it's the same of one

1013
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: and solo. It's the same with Francisco Lindor, so I

1014
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna put one in S. I think we have

1015
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: but all in S. But there was a moment where

1016
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: he did speer for a little bit no summer months

1017
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: when the team was kind of swooning a little bit, like, yes,

1018
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: the five hundred ops in July is unthinkable looking back.

1019
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: But then Pete he really pulled the nose back up

1020
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: in August September. He was tremendous, like going down the

1021
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: stretch there, I felt like the only guys that were

1022
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: hitting were Pete, Lindor and Solo. So I can't if

1023
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna knock one down, I'm gonakno come all down

1024
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: for them, but one up and then put.

1025
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: Them all up. Should I just jump the line and

1026
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: also put Francisco Lindor in s here too? Then? Right now?

1027
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: I think so totally, because again, like Francisco Lindor, we

1028
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: know him at this point. We know it's going to

1029
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: be a six week stretch every season where he's not

1030
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: going to be good.

1031
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know how.

1032
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: But this year, from when he broke that toe, and

1033
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: I think that was June fourth, June fifth against the

1034
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: Dodgers until July first, the second week of July, he

1035
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: the one ninety eight batting average basically till the All

1036
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: Star break. Yeah, it was just that was an unplayable

1037
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: time for him. But then again you pulled the nose

1038
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: back up. He had a great second half of the season.

1039
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: I think the most valuable player in all of baseball

1040
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: in terms of Fangrefts War from August first on, Like

1041
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: he is, he's the cost professional, He's tremendous.

1042
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong at all. When you turn the lights on,

1043
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: he steps up every single time, and he still continues

1044
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: to play phenomenal defense at shortstop. Well, the only guys

1045
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: that showed up that last series against the Marlins is

1046
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: quite literally Jeff McNeil. If you would have asked me

1047
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: in August, I probably would have put him in the

1048
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: b ra A tier he asked me. Now he feels

1049
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: like a hard Sea. I don't know how much better

1050
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: or worse he made this team.

1051
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: I think c is fair because again in shape of

1052
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: the season, but he wasn't able to pull the nose

1053
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: back up. If he had a good final two weeks

1054
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: of the season, he would have got himself to be

1055
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: But the fact that he dropped the ops by one

1056
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: hundred points the last month of the season and the

1057
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: defense again, well it's still fine.

1058
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: It's not plus.

1059
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: And as we know, going into this offseason where David

1060
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: Sterns wants to make this defense plus like his his

1061
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: spot in this team is definitely coming into question.

1062
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Jeff McNeil will play another

1063
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: game for the New York Mets in his baseball career.

1064
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't either. Our boy, Brett, the Met baty What

1065
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: a season. What a season, a lot of ups and downs.

1066
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Started off very down, and then as soon as he

1067
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: got called back up, dude was ready to go and

1068
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: just started playing good baseball. He played good defense at

1069
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: third okay, defense at second base, and he hit pretty well.

1070
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like Brett Baty's ever gonna be a

1071
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: high on base percentage guy. A little less patient than

1072
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: we thought he would be, because he did have great

1073
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: control of the strike zone down in the minors, but

1074
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: when he makes contact with the baseball, it is hit

1075
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: exceptionally hard, and he did that a lot of times

1076
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: this season. Congratulations to both of us for holding strong

1077
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: on the Brett Bailey line. I know, no, no matter

1078
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: what we're like, I think this guy's still good.

1079
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: I think this guy's still good, and we've kind of

1080
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: got to a point where he's good and he's he's

1081
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: going to be I think the third basement next year.

1082
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't think as much question about that, honestly, unless

1083
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: something very unexpected happens with their base position on this team,

1084
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: it's going to be Brett Baity on an opening.

1085
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Day Triple B's Brett Batty Beatier.

1086
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to put him and Alviz together.

1087
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: I think that's I think both of those guys they're

1088
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: such good friends. To remember that little quote that Alfreds

1089
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: had too, it's like, who's your best friends team in

1090
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: bety beaty. I think that they're kind of linked, and

1091
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of nice that they're linked. They

1092
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: both fall through shits out of adversity this year together,

1093
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: and it's cool to see that. Mark Vientos, oh man,

1094
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: So okay, I'm gonna be mean for a second. I'm

1095
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna argue for f tire, below average hitter, zero

1096
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: negative value defensively.

1097
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: So he wasn't positive offensively. He was the worst third

1098
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: basement I think, defensively in all of baseball, and he

1099
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: runs with cinder blocks in his shoes. This version of

1100
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: Mark Vientos is the version that we had seen prior

1101
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: to last year, where he was unplayable, where he's not

1102
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: doesn't really do anything, and as good as he was

1103
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, I can't help shake the feeling

1104
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: that this is actually who Mark Vento's.

1105
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: The other weird thing about Mark Fiantos is that while

1106
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season was topsy turvy, and then

1107
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: he got hurt, and then he was moody and kind

1108
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: of powthy.

1109
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: For another month after that, August he was awesome.

1110
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: You saw the exact same mark Vanto's just for one

1111
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: month this August that you saw twenty twenty four, where

1112
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: he hit eight of his seventeen home runs on the

1113
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: entire season in that one month of August, which is

1114
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: ridiculous look back on. And then it kind of all

1115
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: fell apart again when we needed him most, he vanished.

1116
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: So if you want to put him an F, I'm

1117
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: not gonna argue against that. I always hit D but

1118
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: I think F is fair. If we've been eya of there,

1119
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: we kind of put Fantos. That was kind of my reasoning.

1120
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: And also, it's tough to give someone who literally accumulated

1121
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: negative war anything above. That's true. You just didn't didn't

1122
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: help Luisan Helicunya, I think is gonna be in that

1123
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: same boat. He he cannot hit. He is not a

1124
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: major League baseball player at the plate. Now, he's a

1125
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: great fielder and he can run, but at the plate

1126
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever hits for the New

1127
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: York Mets again, I.

1128
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: Would tell you, actually, I'm not putting him n f

1129
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: tre where you put it, I don't think so, because

1130
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: if what was asked of him season, which was run

1131
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: and play defense, he did both of those quite well.

1132
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: Like he made the one he made the play in

1133
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: Cincinnati on a Friday night and almost saved this entire

1134
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: team's life.

1135
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had his five hundred ops he has.

1136
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: I think he had a barrel and he shockingly did

1137
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: have two hundred play appearances.

1138
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like you remember he was

1139
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: a star there for like a month to start the season.

1140
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. He was amazing last year.

1141
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: He saved the season when Lindor had his little back thing.

1142
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Luis on Heloicunya was amazing. Now, we do know that

1143
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: the bat speed was down from what it was the

1144
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: previous year, and that's a big reason why he was

1145
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: hitting like a child, why he was swinging a pool noodle.

1146
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't think Luisan Heloicunya is not a what's the

1147
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm saying. I think he's probably like

1148
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: one of the flask guys on your roster right now

1149
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: because of the defense and because of the speed. But

1150
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: he can't be given as big of a role as

1151
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: he was this season with the Mets.

1152
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: No he the intention for Luis and Helicunya, I think

1153
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: should be to be Luis Kiorme because the glove isn't

1154
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: that different, truthfully at the end of the day, And

1155
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: do you think there's more and you know there's more speed.

1156
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: So if that's if he is like the twenty fourth

1157
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: or twenty fifth guy on the roster, I think you're

1158
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: in a fine spot. But for some reason, watching that

1159
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: bat speed go from almost seventy four miles an hour,

1160
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: which is considered plus backs speed when he came up

1161
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, it was like, oh my god,

1162
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: it's actually my secret power. So this year being seventy

1163
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: miles an hour, which is way below average bat speed,

1164
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: that's something that needs to be reconciled. But even with

1165
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: all of that being said, I would still put him

1166
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: in d over f because he did again he's here

1167
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: for speeding defense.

1168
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: He played earlier in the year.

1169
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: He didn't really get many of those played appearances after

1170
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil was healthy and Brett Bay surted himself.

1171
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: So it's just and I think he did run the

1172
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: bases exceptionally well when he was asked to do so,

1173
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: all right, Like I could give you a D for

1174
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Luis on hell Ronnie really weird one. Weird one because

1175
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: the peaks were incredible, euphoric and the valleys were devastating.

1176
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with Ronnie, Like I

1177
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: want to put him. See that's probably where I'm gonna

1178
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: end up arguing. But also then you look back, You're like,

1179
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: didn't really hit, can't face lefties, can't run the bases.

1180
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: The defense was good but also not good, like it

1181
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: grated well, but watching it, you're like, Ronnie's not very

1182
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: good over there.

1183
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: It was good at the actual defense. It was the

1184
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: focus that was bad. And that's the thing that you

1185
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: kind of hate.

1186
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: That's bad.

1187
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: Like if that's bad, it's like, come on, man, like

1188
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: you you simply just have to be better at that. Now,

1189
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: this all coming off of a major injury towards a

1190
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: major layoffs. Yes, so that's why I kind of I

1191
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: think lean see with Ronnie as in like this was

1192
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: like one of those years that you kind of just

1193
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: have to put behind you and hope you see a

1194
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: little bit better.

1195
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: We saw the flashes that we always do. We just

1196
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: need that to be a little more consistent.

1197
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: I was kind of going to argue D for these

1198
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: similar reasons where it's just you, Especially because the way

1199
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 2: the season ended, Ryan Rizio had major opportunities to, like true,

1200
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: do something legitimately.

1201
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: Serious and cool.

1202
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: I do think he also made strides this year by

1203
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: the end of the season out the play where at

1204
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: least there was some kind of modicum of patience that

1205
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: was coming through more so we've ever seen his career,

1206
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: major league, minor league, anywhere. It was also the funny

1207
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: thing with Ronnie where he he's a guy that the

1208
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: perception of some people in the Mets community and what

1209
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: we've seen on the field are so different. Like I

1210
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 2: almost I almost can't believe how much confidence some Mets

1211
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: fans haveing Ronnie. I had a conversation on Sunday after

1212
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: the game and emotions were high. Shout out the ice House,

1213
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: special guic House. But this guy was telling me that

1214
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: he wants Ronnie to be starting their race next year,

1215
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: your trade baby. I was like, what have you seen

1216
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: to make you possibly think that it would be a

1217
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: way worse team if that happened.

1218
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you can't expect you.

1219
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: You can't say I want Ronnie to be starting their

1220
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: basement and say you want to have World Series aspirations,

1221
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: like if you And it's a weird situation for Ronnie

1222
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: because he is twenty four years old already. He's going

1223
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: to get a ton of run this year in the

1224
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: in the league home and I'm excited to watch him

1225
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: out there and do that. Think he's gonna have a

1226
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: great time. Ryan Marize is the kind of guy where

1227
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: I wish in Major League Baseball we could do what

1228
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: they do in European soccer.

1229
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: I would love to send him on loan. I would

1230
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: love for Ryan.

1231
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: Marizio against Rockies five hundred played appearances next year on

1232
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: the A's or the White Sox or something the Diamondbacks,

1233
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: just like, give him, give him a role somewhere, let

1234
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: him face major league pitching, because he's not going to

1235
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: figure out these holes against minor league pitching.

1236
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: He's not good enough to get full playing time on

1237
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: a winning ball club. It's a weird situation. Unfortunately, he

1238
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: just can't platoon with Baby. Just can't do it.

1239
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: No, it's too too much of the same guy. Could

1240
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: be two Vientos, but that's neither here nor there. You

1241
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: want to put him in d yeah, I think day okay,

1242
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: defer because they were he had big opportunities and was

1243
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: disappointing in almost all of them. I mean, he had

1244
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: the huge horne against Ransey Rodriguez, but it's just it

1245
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: all disappeared. Brandon Nemo weird one, weird one.

1246
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: I'll i'll, I'll take off the anger that I've had

1247
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: for how he played this year, and truthfully, he probably

1248
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: was a C tier player on this Mets roster. They

1249
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: treated him as if he was one of the most like,

1250
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: as if he was in the same tier of the

1251
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: Alonso Lindor Soto like based on for sure, he's not

1252
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: that player. You want Brandon Nemo hitting sixth. You don't

1253
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: want him hitting fourth in a lineup. If he hit

1254
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: six then put up a one to fifteen ops plus,

1255
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: you'd feel really good. But the fact that brand Nemo

1256
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: was getting a ton of at bats in big moments

1257
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: with guys on base and came through sometimes, didn't come

1258
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: through a lot of times, and was also not going

1259
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: to let field it leaves a weird taste in your mouth.

1260
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: But I don't think I can go below see for him.

1261
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 2: And just to be a little bit extra critical of Nemo,

1262
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: like when the going got tough in September, and again

1263
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: when we've said it a few times now, so the

1264
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: Lindoro Alonzo all showed up big time over that stretch.

1265
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: They were three of the best hitters in baseball in

1266
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: the month of September. Brandon Nimo kind of disappeared. He

1267
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: had a lot of opportunities in that month, him and

1268
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: Mark Fiento's And when you felt the lineup get over

1269
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: that Pete Alonzo hump too, Nimo and Viento's, you kind

1270
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: of felt like you had to scrape something together to

1271
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: possibly turn the lineup over to give those guys another shot.

1272
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: Like it was a situation where we still like Brandon

1273
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: a lot in the show. I know Brandon was going

1274
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: to still be on this team for a long time.

1275
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: Brandon was still a guy that might, you know, wind

1276
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: up at getting his way to the Mets record books

1277
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: because of how many play appearance.

1278
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: He's going to wind up for this team.

1279
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: But if he can't play defense anymore and he's not

1280
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: getting on base anymore, it's a weird conversation.

1281
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is about the twenty twenty five season.

1282
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: I think even Brandon will tell you it was a

1283
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: disappointing season for him. That being said, he did not

1284
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: hurt the Mets. He just again wasn't the player that

1285
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: we hoped he was. So I think that's probably why

1286
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: he goes and see. Can I give one crazy prediction

1287
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: about brand Nemo? Yes, I think they see brand Nemo

1288
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: pick up a first basement's mid in spring training. Whoa.

1289
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: And that has nothing to do with whether and I

1290
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: think Plan is going to beyond this team. I still

1291
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: think Plans will be on this team, but I think

1292
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: that they're gonna give Nimo at least a tiny bit

1293
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: of a shot to see if that's remotely possible.

1294
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he moves like a robot, so's he can't throw,

1295
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: can't throw. It's tough watching him play the outfield, truthfully. Yeah,

1296
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: it's just which is crazy because a few years ago

1297
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable in center field. Incredible.

1298
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: It was at least he was passable, like a good

1299
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. He was like a plus plus that's

1300
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: what a outfielder. Yeah, yeah, and a good center fielder.

1301
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: It's it's just I don't know what it is. I mean,

1302
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: these kinds, these guys who were just you know, these

1303
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: these white boys from the from the West Midwest like this,

1304
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: like the bye just deteriorates so fast.

1305
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a guy who was always getting

1306
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: hurt too.

1307
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's weird things like neck like he's

1308
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: can think a sore neck Like that's kind of thing

1309
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: that makes me think there's like a persistent.

1310
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: Issue Tyrone Taylor. It's gonna be here again next year.

1311
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: They control he's cheap, plays good defense, can't hit c

1312
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: your d probably for Tyrone. I was almost going to

1313
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: tell you Tyrone Taylor should be a b just because.

1314
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: Of how much losing him hurt fair but also but

1315
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: also that's not really a credit to him. Sure, that's

1316
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: more of a fault to the Mets, and David serves totally.

1317
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: We're still greating these players on like what they did

1318
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: for this team, and he didn't.

1319
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: Really do that much. He played a defense, but couldn't hit.

1320
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: A lot of this is the recentcy bias, because when

1321
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 2: Tyron Taylor came back to the end of the season,

1322
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: he was actually a guy that was moving the line

1323
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: of brown.

1324
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Al Right, he didn't hit it long. He had a

1325
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: five ninety eight oh ps.

1326
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the on base percent has dropped to two eighties,

1327
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: who might be nice putting him in C. But yeah,

1328
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: I think that's respectful to put Tyreon Taylor in just

1329
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: defensive first center fielder, which is fine.

1330
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill, God, remember this guy. I wish he could hurt. Sadly,

1331
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: he's another guy who probably never throws another pitch for

1332
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: the Mets.

1333
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like well, I mean, they still have control

1334
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: over him until twenty twenty eight. Okay, Sea may actually

1335
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: Rob will throw another pitch for the Mets to them,

1336
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: but we know he's gonna truthfully flourish out in Seattle,

1337
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: San Francisco, wherever it winds up being.

1338
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's gonna be the He's

1339
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: gonna be the Las Vegas a's three starter once they

1340
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: get there. Mark. Where did Tyler McGill rank on this

1341
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: Mets team and innings pitch this season? Fifth? Yep? Fifth, Okay,

1342
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: I was like, it can't it can't be higher than

1343
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: fourth with sixty eight innings he got this team? What?

1344
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: What the fuck? David Sturts, goddamn it, what happened here?

1345
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: But I I guess see, just because you were gonna

1346
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: sneak me into arguing for b but he was pitching

1347
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: really poorly before he got injured. But when he did

1348
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: get injured, you really felt the loss of like just

1349
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: a good, solid fifth starter.

1350
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, he shrunk out

1351
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: nearly thirty percent of the batters he faced. I know

1352
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: he walks a lot of guys, but like the katea

1353
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: walk ratio being twenty percent is one of the best

1354
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: on this entire roster.

1355
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: So and it was one that while again he was

1356
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: dipping down as he got hurt, just striking out that

1357
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: many bathers, you expect that to take back up a

1358
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: little bit. He's he'll always be the you know, the

1359
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: one we can't figure out at least.

1360
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: You know that's Francisco Alberas. Yeah, that's it. Oh man,

1361
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: Cedric Mullins ass ass. I hate so that to Cedric.

1362
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: But he didn't Did he do anything good? Did he

1363
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: have one good moment? He hit that one home run

1364
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: in the game when we were up already by a ton.

1365
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: Didn't he the home run against the Rangers and was close? Yeah,

1366
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's about it. No, it was very bad.

1367
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: And there's also another one where people are going to

1368
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: rail against David Stearns, but This is the worst baseball

1369
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: Cedric Mallins has ever played.

1370
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: In his life. And that's ever, and that's including when

1371
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: he thought he could switch hit and then quit because

1372
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: he was so bad at hitting right handed.

1373
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: Imagine telling other Mets fans that that he was used

1374
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: to be a switch hitter magic Cedric, maybe should just

1375
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: hit righty.

1376
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: Just for the vibes, That's what I'm saying. I was like,

1377
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's change it up.

1378
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: But that was just one of the catastrophic set of

1379
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: acquisitions on deadline day between Elsie and Mullins.

1380
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: So you're talking about catastrophic acquisitions. Yeah, Jose Siri also

1381
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: belongs in the ass. Yeah, this one. This one hurt

1382
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: me to my core because he's such a fun player

1383
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: from a roster building standpoint of His numbers are always

1384
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: going to look horrible, but he can hit home runs

1385
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: and he normally plays elite, elite, elite defense. He did

1386
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: none of that for the Mets. He played some of

1387
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: the worst defense in centerfield I've truthfully ever seen, and

1388
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: he had the worst at bats I've ever seen.

1389
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: He made the bat look like it weighed one thousand pounds.

1390
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: So in some more bottom of the Mets roster trivia Mark,

1391
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: Jose Siri. You think his strike guy rate was in

1392
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: thirty six play appearance, He's got to be seventy five percent. No,

1393
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 2: it was only forty seven percent.

1394
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: But that might be better than it was last year

1395
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: because he is a guy who strikes out like fifty

1396
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: percent of the time. He was fun fact about him.

1397
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: Every time Jose Sirie got on base, he did score.

1398
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: Was that true even until the end? I think so.

1399
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I think until the end, every single time Jose Sirie

1400
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: got on base, he scored. If not, there was like

1401
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: one time where he got on base and didn't score.

1402
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: So our Agent of Chaos was an absolute disaster. Yeah.

1403
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Next one's another one, another weird one. Shakira's favorite player,

1404
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Travis Shankowski.

1405
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean he appeared in five games, he only got

1406
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: to play one time. I think if you just had

1407
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: to give him a see for that.

1408
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Travis, I can't even believe he made it back,

1409
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: but give him a ce. Let's move on to Starling Marte.

1410
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: Weird one, very weird one, because this is one that again,

1411
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: happy to say I was wrong about heading into the season,

1412
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: but a lot of the Starling Marte hate came from

1413
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: the fact that he clogged up this roster in a

1414
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: dramatic way, like if you could have just the roster spot,

1415
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: and we said it, then we said in the middle

1416
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: of the say now at the end of this all

1417
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: the Martine and Fiantros on a roster together was always

1418
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: difficult to stomach. And it was a really difficult thing

1419
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: when you have two guys who can't play defense and

1420
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: can't move and our neglice platoon guys to be taking

1421
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: up roster spots at the same time. And it did

1422
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: wind up kind of seemingly hurting this team through the

1423
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: team building process in the offseas, especially when you lose

1424
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: a guy like Winker who also couldn't move or play defense.

1425
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: Beliast he could hit. I guess so many guys that

1426
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: couldn't move or play defense. It's crazy.

1427
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just looking back like us this this bench

1428
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: and and the bench became so bad at the end

1429
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: of the year. And weirdly, Starling Marte didn't get a

1430
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: play appearance in the last game when he had Jeff

1431
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: McNeil up against the left like Jared Young. I know

1432
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: he's a lefty, but gotta play the appearance at over

1433
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: Starling Marte.

1434
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: At the end, just strange season. I do still think

1435
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: he played well though for what he was.

1436
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 2: Like, we're not I'm not chastising this great isn't about

1437
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: your tangibility as a player, you know what I mean?

1438
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: Like, it's about how you perform. I think Fry performed.

1439
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: He still should be at Baby. Oh really, I was

1440
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna put him in C I think I think because

1441
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: one like he hit two seventy the ops was similar

1442
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: to Nimo's at like seven forty five. He didn't really

1443
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: like he was treated. We know he's not fast, but

1444
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: on this team he was treated as supposed to be

1445
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: like a speed guy. Maybe be maybe b for the

1446
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: vibes because he was unk and he was keeping the

1447
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: vibes up with the chonkola and everything like that. But

1448
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Starling Martes is see. I

1449
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: think we got the most we ever could out of him.

1450
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: That's probably the best Starling mart is gonna play for

1451
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. I can't put him in

1452
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: be like we saw Brett Baty Alvarez. These guys do

1453
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: good things. Can Can you tell me what stornemore Te

1454
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: did good this year? I guess that's right, if you're

1455
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: a DH with m fifthty ops, how much better can

1456
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: you be? Nimo was way better than him. Yeah, definitely,

1457
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna put him in Ce Jesse Winker. How

1458
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: many games did he play for us?

1459
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: Like the twenty Jesse Winker this year appeared in twenty

1460
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: six games?

1461
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: Pretty good? He was like that shit when he played too, Yeah,

1462
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean he he low key besides the postseason, never

1463
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: played particularly well for the Mets. Unfair because the injury.

1464
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: Definitely a vibes guy. I like Jesse Winker, but I

1465
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: don't think he ever plays for the Mets again. And

1466
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: the just phantom injuries that this guy gets for seemingly

1467
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: existing is pretty tough. I don't hate Jesse Winker. I

1468
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: don't wish bad on him, but not for my team anymore.

1469
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: It's another classic white boy's body is breaking down the

1470
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: early thirties really knocking on which for that one. But yeah,

1471
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: thirty two years older, just like the back is now gone.

1472
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: It's like, how can it be gone? But like he

1473
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: gets a bet, a bet, He's like, guy, my back's locked.

1474
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's just what happens

1475
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: when you get older and It's funny to also look

1476
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: at Jesse Wier's career in retrospect because besides for the

1477
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: last season when he stole fourteen bases, he stole four

1478
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 2: total bases. What uh, and then he totally fell apart

1479
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: c r D for him, I guess it just has

1480
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: to be deeps. When he played, he wasn't good and

1481
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: he was wasn't available. Yeah, he finished like a Vibes guy,

1482
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: but he didn't perform when he was here.

1483
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: No, and he was supposed to hit for more power.

1484
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: Never did I believe this is Jared Young, that that's

1485
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: Jared Young. It's gotta be. I'm gonna look up Jared

1486
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: Young's face. No, based on who's left, it ask to

1487
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: be Jared Yale, and it is Jared Young. I think

1488
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him in the D tier as well.

1489
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: He basically was Jesse Winker in the same amount of games.

1490
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: He had more home runs of Jesse Winker. But Jared

1491
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: Young was not very good.

1492
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: No, it was not like that was one where again

1493
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: we hope, we were hopeful about Jared Young just because

1494
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: there was fun bad at ball data, but it just

1495
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: didn't None of vic games of fruition. Remember that one

1496
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: home run at home, like when he like six in

1497
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: the first inning.

1498
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: Who was that against?

1499
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: Dylan Cees? Was that Padre still and Cease was one?

1500
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: It was a day one of the next playoff games.

1501
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now because it's he didn't

1502
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: do much this year. Could just pull up his game

1503
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: logs and we could definitely find out when he did

1504
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: that at home? He did it against? Was that the

1505
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: White Socks? Was the White Sox? It was the white

1506
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: who pitched that game. Let's just for conversations, that was

1507
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: Memorial Day. Oh yeah, Jonathan Cannon and Jared Schuster, those

1508
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: guys suck. Yeah, yeah, I guess for Jered down d

1509
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: f what if his ops I think was like five something.

1510
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: Put them where you're comfortable. Oh, seven, two, we'll put

1511
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: him in day. Yeah, there you go, There you go.

1512
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: He was a power, power guy. Frankie Monta's as ass.

1513
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: Frankie fastballs. We'll never pitch another pitch for the New

1514
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: York Mets. He's done. He's gonna pick up his player option.

1515
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna cost us money, and this will go down

1516
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: as the worst signing that David Surtins probably ever has

1517
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: made in his entire life. Oh this will this will

1518
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: be also the one that people will talk about with

1519
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: David Stearns forever, like this is your You're tied to

1520
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: Frankie Mantas in eternity, I mean our our partner's of

1521
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: Refoul Territory talk about this one all the time. They

1522
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: hate Frankie monta elite hate for this guy. And to

1523
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: be very sucked. He was horrible and he was terrible.

1524
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: He kind of has sucked every year except the year

1525
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: where he cheated and took steroids, and last year he

1526
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: was okay. Yeah, he was okay, but not okay somehow

1527
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: not negative war pure zero. I can't believe that honestly. Yeah,

1528
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: but he was definitely ass. He was major ass. Blade

1529
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: did well such the few appearances it made, it was

1530
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: pretty horrible. Yeah, it was not good. Was still hopeful

1531
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: in the stuff.

1532
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: But then now I don't know what's gonna happen with

1533
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: him in the Giants, he was pretty ass. I think

1534
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: it would be nice to the kid for a f

1535
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: will give Blaze.

1536
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: He got thrown into the fire, read.

1537
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: Garrett, I, this is this is one where you went

1538
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: up and down heavily. But I think you still have

1539
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: to give him a sa Yeah, yeah, he still had it.

1540
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: When the year ended, the Ray somehow was still under four.

1541
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: And he's guess where Reid Garrett ranked on.

1542
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: The messin innings pitch this season. Eighth tenth but yeah,

1543
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: fifty five innings. My gut wants to say, d you're saying, see, yeah.

1544
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I think this is when you like Mark Kakaylo really

1545
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: started to be born with the hate to read Garrett

1546
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: through through the second half of the season. But I

1547
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: wonder he warmed up every day in April mayor every day.

1548
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: What was the blew his arm out? His pit was

1549
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: better than he pitched? What was his inherited runner rate?

1550
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: I would love to know how many of the inherited

1551
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: runners he got scored, because it felt like every time

1552
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: he came in in the middle of an inning, they

1553
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: just absolutely tore him apart. How do you find that?

1554
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1555
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a stat that we keep.

1556
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: I think someone has to keep. It has to be

1557
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: in Baseball Reference.

1558
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't see it on Baseball Reference or I don't

1559
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: know what the abbreviation is.

1560
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: It might be a way, the abbreviation one, but it's

1561
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: just again like this, this was situation where it felt

1562
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: like the team kind of failed read Garrett, like you

1563
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: just he pitched so much, so often early in the

1564
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: season as two years agow, we did that and he

1565
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: completely died.

1566
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you a see, but I want

1567
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: it to be known. I want him in. D Ryan stanniks,

1568
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Stannik.

1569
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: Where do you think Ryan Stannick rank mark this year

1570
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: in the innings? Pitch in the next ninth, ninth, nailed

1571
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: it nice. I remember the numbers I've been guessing. Yeah,

1572
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,479
Speaker 2: it's crazy memory, but yeah, Ryan Standick wound up throwing

1573
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: this the third most innings for any Mets reliever.

1574
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: And he shouldn't have. He should have been off this

1575
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: team a long time ago. I don't know what the

1576
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: deal is with him that he basically didn't pitch well

1577
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: almost at all this year, but somehow remained on this

1578
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: roster seemingly for no reason. Because he throws a hundred.

1579
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: That the whole reason. But he throws the most hittab

1580
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: one hundred I've ever seen.

1581
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and again I think it was that favorable remembrance

1582
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: of last year in the postseason, him just becoming the

1583
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: seven man.

1584
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was bad. Philmm Tom was way better than

1585
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: him this year. Who thought that was gonna happen? Edwin DS,

1586
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: I think this is probably one of the easiest ones. S.

1587
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: He's the best reliever in baseball. If not one, he's

1588
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: number two. He's ridiculous. He's the last one mark Edwin

1589
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: DS rank on the Mets and innings pitch. I don't

1590
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: think I said sixth, he was sixth. Nice. He threw

1591
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: the sixth most, the most of any reliever on this team,

1592
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: Edwin d S. I mean that's good. He should throw

1593
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: the most innings of any real on a team, and

1594
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: the second most, maybe for like a swing guy to

1595
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: get to eighty. My bold prediction is that David Sterns

1596
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: is gonna do the Undavid Sterns like thing, and he's

1597
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: gonna pay Edwin Das. I think he's one of the

1598
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: few relievers that should be paid, and I think the

1599
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Mets actually have no other choice but to pay him

1600
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: what he asks for.

1601
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: Bout my bold prediction. Yes, I don't think he actually

1602
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: formally opts out. I think that we come to an agreement,

1603
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: oh like a softer deal where he still gets some

1604
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: more years.

1605
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think.

1606
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't see the af you going up that much

1607
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: because I don't know what a closer with a qualifying

1608
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: offer attached, then we'll get in the free agent market.

1609
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: I really don't.

1610
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: That's a really strange Do we still have it attached?

1611
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 2: That never happened yet he hasn't been a free agent.

1612
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, Oh he was? Yeah? But did we

1613
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: ever off from the qualifying offer? I'm sure we did.

1614
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: There's no way we didn't offer Edwin did As the

1615
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: qualifying offer. You can look that one up. But the

1616
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: numbers are unbelievable. He strikes everybody out. He dominates. The

1617
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: fastballs incredible, the slider's incredible. He's just really good. It's

1618
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: crazy where Edwin Dyas has come. But I think he's

1619
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: one of the priorities this offseason. We know how bad

1620
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: this bullpen was and that's with him. We need to

1621
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: bring him back. I think there's no other choice. So

1622
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: let's see Edwin Diaz to do. Were scrolling twenty twenty

1623
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: two qualifying offers with a crazy tab. I'm scrolling on here.

1624
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: You know we did not offer the qualifying offer, so

1625
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: then can we offer him one hour or is it

1626
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: only the first time you hit free agency? Great question.

1627
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: I feel like We always go back and forth on this.

1628
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: It's one of these weird things that we probably don't

1629
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: need to know but should know for some reason.

1630
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: On MLB's website this year, he was never even available.

1631
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: He was not noble players who did not receive the

1632
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: qualifying offer, And then he also was not listed for.

1633
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: Eligible for the qualifying offer.

1634
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: Was it because the Mets got him from the Mariners?

1635
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: Was he ever actually a free agent? Was there one

1636
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 2: year left and gave him a fat extension?

1637
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: He was a free agent? He was a free agent definitely.

1638
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: Why was he ineligible for the qualifying offer? Then? I

1639
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: don't know. Someone can let us know in the comment section,

1640
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: someone smarter than us. But remember when I was like

1641
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: David sturtns would love the trade Edwin Diaz. I think

1642
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: David Starns now is like, I can't let this guy go. Yeah,

1643
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: But I also think at the same time, I like

1644
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: what you just at. Yeah.

1645
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: I think I think I think everyone here knows that

1646
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: this is the best case scenario for everybody, and it

1647
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: just will continue.

1648
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: Clay Holmes, this is gonna be a contentious one for

1649
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: smart people vers idiots, because smart people, I think you

1650
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: got to put Clay Holmes in a I.

1651
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: Was I was ready because my sword was that argue

1652
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 2: for Clay Holmes, and No, I think he has to

1653
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: be an a.

1654
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: The fact that he went from a reliever to starter

1655
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: or gave us what one hundred and sixty innings of

1656
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: a three to five ERA one hundred and sixty five

1657
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: three five game one sixty one through a one hitter

1658
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: through six. Clay Holmes is Clay Man. He's good. He's

1659
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: really good, and I feel very confident with him being

1660
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: in the rotation next season. I'm glad he's in the

1661
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: rotation as a four or five ground balls. He can

1662
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: get strikeouts sometimes, but that doesn't seem to be the

1663
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: most sustainable version of him as a starting pitcher. And

1664
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: for a first year ever being a starter like this

1665
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: at the major league level, Yeah, probably couldn't have asked

1666
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: for a better year from Clay Holmes. No, this was

1667
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: a complete resounding success. Like as bad as Mantas was

1668
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: and some of the other guys that David Surs went after,

1669
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: this in terms of value wise, was one of the

1670
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: best pickups that the Mets made, one of the best

1671
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: pickups that were made in Major League baseball.

1672
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: This was the one that it actually worked out, like

1673
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: in terms of what should have happened with this rotation

1674
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: this season, like this was the one we're like, all right,

1675
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: that actually was the one where the magic did happen,

1676
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 2: the same magic that we got from all of the

1677
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: guys basically the year before.

1678
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: But Clay Holmes did.

1679
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: He turned in like though Louis Severino season even better

1680
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: than Louis averreena looking back, which is kind of funny.

1681
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: To say, who threw more innings this year, James Jack

1682
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: Flaherty or Clay Holmes. Probably Clay Holmes, right, Clay Holmes

1683
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: by four, and he had a significantly lower ra Just again,

1684
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: everyone likes to talk about that the Mets didn't go

1685
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: out and get a big arm. You heard John Hayman

1686
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: slur his words asking questions about that Clay Holmes is

1687
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: not the big arm, but he was better than the

1688
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: other options out there, and Mets hit a home run

1689
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: on him.

1690
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay Holmes basically performed like one of the best

1691
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: free agent starting pitcher signings this past offseason. Again, the

1692
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: problem with this Mes rotation did come back to Sean

1693
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: and I I saying, yes, that's it, it comes back,

1694
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: and it's just not dating the Edmund Diaz thing. In

1695
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, he was eligible to receive the qualifying offer,

1696
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: but did not receive one. Wow, Okay, so I guess

1697
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 2: you still can maybe I don't know you guys, will you?

1698
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: I got you right here.

1699
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: The only qualifications receiven qualifying offer that player has never

1700
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: received the qualifying offer previously in their career. That player

1701
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 2: spent the entire season on that team's roster.

1702
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that I guess they technically could offer him one.

1703
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: If he were to opt out, and having that hanging

1704
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: over his head, that's a really good reason to work

1705
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 2: out an extension.

1706
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: Yep. I like that a lot. I feel really good

1707
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: about that. Last guy never made an appearance. Dylan Ross.

1708
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna leave him down there. I

1709
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna thank him. He didn't do anything.

1710
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: He literally never played, right. That's Dylan Ross. It has

1711
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: to be Dylan Ross because we've gone through I think

1712
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: every other person Ross. Let's see Dylan. I'm literally Loss.

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: I have the list of every single pitcher that pitched

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: the season for the met it's working through it, and

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: we have gone through every other guy.

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01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see. Yeah it's Dylan Ross. Okay, yeah,

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: we're not gonna rank him, but he throws one hundred

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to see what he's got for

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: us next season because the stuff and.

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: TRIPLEA looked awesome. I am kind of happy we didn't

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01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 2: see him because he doesn't know where the ball is going.

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: So I think coming into one of these super high

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: leverage games that could have done the thing where Mets

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01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: fans turned on him forever if he had one bad

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: out of thing. So nice that we still have untouched

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: snow with Dylan Ross.

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01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: Guys, this is our tier list. It's crazy, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You let us know in the comment section what you think.

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01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tweet out this tear list and

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01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: just see what people say when it's like soda right

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: next to Tom hambl right next to Nolan mclade, who,

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: arguably because people are gonna objectively look at it and

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: think that it's ranked inside the Tears as well. Oh yeah,

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: so like seeing Rico Garcia ahead of Peter Alonzo, Francisco Indoor,

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz is also really fucking funny. Also might be fair.

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Speaker 1: That's it, guys, Thank you for listening. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're subscribed. You can follow James on social

1738
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: media at James Shanna. I'm drafting Mark with a CE.

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Speaker 1: We will catch you, guys all, probably next week for

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Speaker 1: an episod, so we'll see that. Peace out, peace out, guys,