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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we are wrapping up our series exploring the habits, mindsets,

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Speaker 2: methods and routines of the best deer hunters in the world.

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Speaker 2: And today our final guest is Andy May. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by First Light and their Camel for Conservation initiative

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Speaker 2: little bit more details on that if you didn't hear

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Speaker 2: last week's episode, But before that, I do want to

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Speaker 2: kind of queue up today's episode because, as I mentioned

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Speaker 2: at the top, we are wrapping up our mindsets of

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Speaker 2: the Whitetail Masters series. This is episode six of that

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Speaker 2: mini series, I believe, and I hope you found it

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Speaker 2: as interesting and valuable as I have. The goal with

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Speaker 2: all this was to get a different look, to get

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Speaker 2: a different perspective on these best of the best deer hunters,

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Speaker 2: because here's one of the things I've noticed, one of

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Speaker 2: the things I've noticed over the last ten plus years

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Speaker 2: doing this podcast is that it's very easy to fall

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Speaker 2: into a rut when it comes to deer hunting and

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Speaker 2: just kind of doing the same old, same old thing.

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Speaker 2: You find what's comfortable and you fall into that groove

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Speaker 2: and you stick with it. And that's true not only

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Speaker 2: in deer hunting, but also in creating content about deer

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Speaker 2: hunt trying to teach people about deer hunting. There's a

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Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and sometimes it's hard

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Speaker 2: to avoid that for myself too. So I'm constantly trying

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Speaker 2: to find different ways to approach this topic, different ways

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Speaker 2: we can learn. And when it comes to some of

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Speaker 2: these guests, you know, there are a lot of great

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Speaker 2: right There's a thousand different podcasts and TV shows and

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Speaker 2: So one of my main goals what I task myself

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Speaker 2: someone creating something valuable and respectful of your time. Is

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Speaker 2: finding a new lens to look at this stuff with.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I've tried to do with this series,

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Speaker 2: to talk to these hunters that we've all heard from before,

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Speaker 2: than other people have. So we've tried to peel back

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Speaker 2: their minds to understand what their goals are, why they

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Speaker 2: think about success in a certain way, how they view failure,

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Speaker 2: how they actually take action, you know, how that manifests

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Speaker 2: who I guess I should mention is our guest today.

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Speaker 2: He probably goes without need for introduction. He's been on

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Speaker 2: how does he do that? How does he bucket hunting

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Speaker 2: They certainly learned from other people along the way, but

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Speaker 2: these elite deer hunters have done that. They are independent thinkers.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay, and it's okay for you too. Whatever

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Speaker 2: Hunt for you, hunt for the reasons that fill your cup,

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Speaker 2: that satisfy you, that fulfill you, and pick and choose

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Speaker 3: I do it, man, I'm doing great, Mark. Yes, it

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Speaker 2: than just a season with zero tags filled in? What

433
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: you would call it a true failure?

434
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: Well? Well, yeah, like for one, kind of what I mentioned,

435
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: If I go through a season where I felt like

436
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: I didn't have fun, I came out a worse person.

437
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: I'm a worst person at home, I'm frustrated, I'm stressed out.

438
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: That's your failing. You know, something's wrong there. You're putting

439
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: too much emphasis on it, or you're not able to

440
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: separate the highs and lows of you know, bow hunting

441
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: with family life. I've gotten really good at that now,

442
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: Like I can you know, I have a really bad

443
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: hunt where I screw up and blow it, and I

444
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: can just kind of let it roll off my back.

445
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: I'm home, and yeah, I mean it's eaten me a

446
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: little bit, but uh, you know, I'm able to still

447
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: function and be a be a good person. Another thing

448
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: for me that that I definitely feel like I've failed

449
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: is when I screw up an opportunity. When I make

450
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: the error. That doesn't necessarily mean you know, sitting in

451
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: the wrong spot. It means, you know, I have my

452
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: opportunity and I blow it. I wound the deer, I

453
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: miss the deer. I make a stupid error like I'm

454
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: not paying attention, or i'm you know, I'm moving and

455
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: the buck I want comes in and sees me, or

456
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm on my phone, you know, and I lose my opportunity.

457
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: Those are those are failures, you know, Those are those

458
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: are things that are like God, like what an idiot?

459
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: You know, Like I work so hard and you know

460
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: how hard that opportunity is and then you blow it

461
00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: like that. You know, that's that's a tough pill to swallow.

462
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: I can even handle missing a deer. You know, I've

463
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: talked to you about this, Like if as long as

464
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: I execute a good shot, like if I don't punch

465
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: the trigger and I don't rush, and I stay on

466
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: it and I pull pull pull, or I execute a

467
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: good shot and then something bad happens. I'm able to

468
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: live with that because I feel like I did my part.

469
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: The animal drop, the animal moved, maybe I hit something

470
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: I didn't see. But if I like kind of lose

471
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: my cool I punched the trigger, I get so nervous,

472
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: or I rushed the shot, I wasn't able to call

473
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: myself down. That's on me. And now I wounded that

474
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: animal or I missed that animal. I blew that opportunity

475
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: because I screwed up so that I can't stand for

476
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: and I still do it once in a while. It

477
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: is bow hunting. I know it's a part of bow hunting,

478
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: but it never gets any easier. Another thing that I

479
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 3: think would be a failure is like quitting, you know,

480
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: on a hunt. You know, like I've there's been there's

481
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: been a couple of hunts and swear maybe they were tough,

482
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: or maybe things were going on at home, you know

483
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: that weren't like perfect. You get frustrated, you get your

484
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: butt beat, and then like the next two days or

485
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: eighty five degrees and you're like, I should just you know,

486
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: I'll just go home, you know, just cut my losses.

487
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: I've done that once or twice, and you get about

488
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: an hour down the road and you feel kind of

489
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: like a piece of crap, you know, like you're like,

490
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: I just I literally just quit. You know. It's one

491
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: thing if there's an emergency at home, that's different. But

492
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm talking like you're giving up or a season, you're

493
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: having a tough season, and you just hang it up.

494
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: You know. You maybe you set some goals and you're

495
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: not reaching them, it doesn't feel like you're going to

496
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: reach them, and you just quit. To me, that would

497
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: be a failure for me if I did that, So

498
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: I don't do that anymore. I've done that a couple

499
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: of times early on, even on a couple of hunts

500
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: far from home, you know, just like left a day

501
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: early for no real reason other than it was a

502
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: tough hun or it was hot and the weather wasn't right,

503
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: or I screwed up. And I'm like, oh my gosh,

504
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: you know there was one actually one comes to mind that,

505
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: you know, that hunt we did in Nebraska. Remember I

506
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: was having that nerve pain in my back. You remember

507
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: that I had a whole nother day to hunt, but

508
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: if you remember correctly, I had you know, I had

509
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: that opportunity at a very nice buck, and I had

510
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: forgotten my range finder. He's certainly in range, and you know,

511
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: I made a big time blunder. You know. I literally

512
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: grabbed my stuff out of your truck. I start walking

513
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: down the two track and I'm like, you know, binoculars,

514
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: range finder. I turn around, I see you bombing over

515
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: the hill and I'm like, oh no, you know, but

516
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: you know how far we were away from camp. And

517
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: I get my chance and I blew it. There's an

518
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: error there, and I kind of set, you know, let

519
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: the wind out of my sails. I was dealing with

520
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: some crazy back nerve pain. I just quit on that hunt.

521
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: I quit. I was like, you know, you know stuff.

522
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: I was dealing with some stuff at home with my

523
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, my daughter, and it's like, let's just go,

524
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: you know. And I look back at that one and

525
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: maybe one or two other ones, it's like I quit.

526
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I was in a lot of pain,

527
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: but like I'm tougher than that, you know, I can.

528
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: I can grind it out. So those things to me.

529
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: For me would be failure, not having fun, screwing up

530
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: your opportunity, making like making dumb errors. I try to

531
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: give myself a little grace there because bow hunting is hard.

532
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: But when I actually screw something up, I wasn't paying attention,

533
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: or I make a bad shot because of something I

534
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: did wrong. You know, those are the tough ones. Those

535
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: are the ones where I just feel like God, you

536
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: know you can't be doing this. You're better than that.

537
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: You're a veteran at this. These are not the mistakes

538
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: you should be making.

539
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned one thing being a failure being to

540
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: bring that negativity home, right, So, so you make a

541
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: mistake or things aren't going well in the woods and

542
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: then you bring it home. And how how it's hard

543
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: sometimes to separate the in the field stuff from the

544
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: home stuff. But you said you've gotten better at that,

545
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: and I have to ask, because I've struggled with this too.

546
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: You know, how have you gotten better at that? Is

547
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: there any anything specifically that has helped you to be

548
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: able to leave what's in the woods in the woods

549
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: and then be able to be fully present with your

550
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: family or at home and not bring that negativity into

551
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: the home. Atmosphere. Has there been anything that's helped you

552
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: do that?

553
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: Probably just experience and seeing how it negatively affects my

554
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: loved ones when I do that. You know, if I

555
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, I maybe I miss a deer or you know,

556
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: I wound a buck or something, and I come home

557
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: and I'm grumpy, and I'm not talking in anybody, and

558
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: I'm stressed out, and I'm like, you know, that was

559
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: my chance. And you know, it's like these people didn't

560
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: do anything, you know, and and here I am supposed

561
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: to be the leader of this family, and and and

562
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: I'm bringing that negativity home. I've just realized over the

563
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: years that like I love hunting, I am I'm a hunter.

564
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: It's part of what I am, but it's a small part.

565
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a father, I'm a partner, I'm a husband,

566
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: and those things are just more important to me. You know.

567
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: It's it's and I've seen it negatively affect them, and

568
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: then it causes stress in the relationship. It causes stress

569
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: between you know, father and daughter, and you know, I

570
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: just don't want to let that time be affected and slip.

571
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: I think too. I've learned that over the years, like

572
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to get another opportunity, you know, I I

573
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: I I've made mistakes. I've worked so hard at eliminating mistakes.

574
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I train my body, I train my mind,

575
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: I shoot, I scout, I do I do everything as

576
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: far as preparation that I can think of that will

577
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: help me be successful. And I still fail sometimes. And

578
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: it's okay. You know, bowhunting is hard, and I've learned

579
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: that these mistakes are going to come. When I make them,

580
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything I can to correct them.

581
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: When something bad happens out there that was out of

582
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: my control, I just let it go, you know, I

583
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: just let it go. I'm going to have more opportunities

584
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: down the road. I'm not going to bring that home.

585
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to affect my loved ones like that.

586
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: So I think over time, you know, you realize that

587
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world. It would be

588
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: the end of the world. If your wife leaves you,

589
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: it would be the end of the world. If your

590
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: daughter feels like you weren't there for her, you know,

591
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: or you know, she moves off to college and you're like,

592
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: what was I doing? You know, like why was I

593
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: spending that much time? Or obsessing about it that much

594
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: that it made me not be present or made her

595
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: feel like I wasn't there for her. To me, that

596
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: would be the end of the world, Like that would

597
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: be something that would hang with me the rest of

598
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: my life. So I don't know. I've just realized that

599
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 3: partially just from my own mistakes, listening to other guys,

600
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: other really good hunters that we know that admit that

601
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: that's what they chose to do, you know, throughout their career,

602
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: and a lot of them regret it. So if anything,

603
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: I hope people see me and realize, like, yeah, maybe

604
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: you're maybe you won't be you know, at that what

605
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: some consider that elite level, But you can still have

606
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: a lot of success. You can still have a lot

607
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: of fun, you can still kill a lot of animals

608
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: and have a lot of experiences and still be a

609
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: good husband, still be a good dad. Do the extra

610
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: things while you're there, be extra present while you're there.

611
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: It's important that I'm there, but it's also important that

612
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: you know. Sienna and Lisa, they I want them to

613
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: see that I have a passion. I want them to

614
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 3: see that I have something that drives me. It makes

615
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: me a better person. It gives me direction, It gives

616
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: me something that makes me want to work out more,

617
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: It makes me want to be outside more. It makes

618
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: me a better person when I come home and they

619
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: my daughter sees me go out every day. She sees

620
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: me go to the gym every day, and she sees

621
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: me go out and shoot my bow just about every day.

622
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe she's not going to be a hunter,

623
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: but maybe she's going to be something else and she

624
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: you know, or maybe it's her career and she's gonna

625
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: be like you know, that's why Dad was good at that,

626
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: because he devoted so much time. And I feel like, yeah,

627
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: this is this is pretty much all I do. And

628
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: certainly it can seem, you know, obsessive, but I try

629
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: my best to pick out little windows when to work

630
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: on these things and just prioritize, you know, the family

631
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: and make sure everything there is is handled and solid,

632
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: and if it's not, I'll put in more time in

633
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: that less time in the preparation and tell tell things

634
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: even out and I find that good equilibrium. So I

635
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: think it just takes time, obviously, communicating with your family,

636
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: making sure everybody is is uh is good to go,

637
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: and kind of understands you know, what what your plans are.

638
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's hard, you know, and I find

639
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: myself self correcting, you know, every year. I've learned to

640
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: just kind of anticipate that before it gets to like

641
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: a boiling point. But I don't know, I I try

642
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: to emphasize that because I've I've seen guys, guys I

643
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 3: know that have just like you know, ruin their marriage

644
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: or ruin their relationship with their kids, are missed out

645
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: on all those opportunities when they were little, And I

646
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: don't know, it's just not for me. Makes me sad.

647
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: So hees not worth it. It's just not worth it.

648
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: So so one more question on failure, and this will

649
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: be a little bit different than I'm curious about your

650
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 2: favorite failure or the most useful failure or the failure

651
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: or the mistake that you made that coming out of

652
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: that you learned something that changed your trajectory moving forward.

653
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: Is there anything that comes to mind over the years that, man,

654
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: you really screwed it up, But man, you'll learn from

655
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: that one and it made all the difference.

656
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, coming out of that season, just

657
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: feeling about as low as I can feel as a

658
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: boat hunter. I decided that I was going to do

659
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: whatever it took to fix it. And I realized I

660
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: was dealing with some target panic. I had done some research,

661
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: so I started, you know, talking to the right people,

662
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: reaching out to guys that were more skilled as me

663
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: as an archer, and really learned what target panic was

664
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: and how to beat it. So you and I have

665
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: talked about that a lot. I'm not going to dive

666
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 3: deep into that, but I did the work all off season,

667
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: just pounded away, learning a whole different shot execution, a

668
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: different way to wire your brain during the shot change

669
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: releases up, and I was shooting better than I ever had,

670
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: with no anticipation, with no panic, and everything was going phenomenal.

671
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: In fact, I was going into that next season twenty thirteen,

672
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: with like a lot of confidence. And for some reason,

673
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: I don't know why I did this. I was going

674
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: to Maryland for an early season hunt, and like two

675
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: days before I left, I hadn't punched the trigger or

676
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: had any issues. About two days before I left, I

677
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: decided to like go back to my old release, just

678
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: because I was using a Hinge release and to help

679
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: me get past the target panic. And I just felt

680
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: like I just feel more comfortable hunting with an index finger.

681
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: So I went to Maryland. I went on that trip,

682
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: and sure enough, I get a chance at a big

683
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: buck and I do the same exact thing, and I

684
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: just punched that trigger and miss him. So I threw

685
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: that release away. Right after that, I was just absolutely

686
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: disgusted with myself. Went back to the drawing board as

687
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: far as like the drills that you and I have

688
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: you know, talked about, and switched to basically using a

689
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: thumb button or hinge and just executing a shot in

690
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: a completely different way. And I never had that issue again.

691
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: To this day, I've still never had target panic. I

692
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: mean a little an anticipation will sometimes come in, but

693
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: I never changed the way execute a shot. I never

694
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: punched the trigger. But to this day, I still continue

695
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: with those same drills just to make sure that I'm

696
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm staying ahead of it. I realized it was an

697
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: issue for me, but that made such a huge impact

698
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: on my enjoyment for archery. My my shots on animals before,

699
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: which were very marginal, even though I was getting most

700
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: of them. Now I was getting a many more good

701
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: shots with short track jobs. You know, just what you

702
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: want you know, putting that animal down quickly so that

703
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: they don't have to suffer, and just just getting it

704
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: done in a much cleaner, more ethical way. So that

705
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: that was probably that that stands out to me the

706
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: most as having the biggest impact because it was impacting

707
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: me in such a negative way. I was able to

708
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: get on deer, I was able to put myself in

709
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: front of deer, and that was like, that was kind

710
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: of a slow progression. There was never one big change

711
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: whereas like all all of a sudden, I was shooting

712
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: big Bucks. Now it was a I had to climb

713
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: the ladder. You know, I was I was young, and

714
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: I was persistent, and I was hard working, and I

715
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 3: was able to get maybe a shot or maybe two

716
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: shots at a nice buck in a whole season, and

717
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: just the way my brain works, you know, learning and

718
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: constantly trying to improve, you know, I just slowly claimed

719
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: that climbed that ladder of you know, maybe getting two

720
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: or three shots or three or four shots. And then

721
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: it was from like two year old bucks to two

722
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: and three year old bucks and then three and four

723
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: year old bucks and then so on. So there were

724
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: certainly things tactics that made a change and helped me

725
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: grow as a hunter and kind of increase that skill.

726
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: But that you know, mastering that shot execution under high

727
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: pressure is what made the most impact and is certainly

728
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: put the most animals on the ground for me.

729
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: So one of the things that I was going to

730
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: ask you about was was about your process for getting

731
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: better at something, and you kind of just gave us

732
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: a perfect example there of how to get better at

733
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: your shot sequence. So it sounded like some of the

734
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: things you did were first like identify the problem, like

735
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: identify the thing you have to work on. Number two,

736
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: it seemed like you then went back to the drawing

737
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: board and said, Okay, who can I seek out? Who

738
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: has more information about this, who is better at this,

739
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: who's been through this? You scoured for other sources of

740
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: you know, resources to help you. And then three you

741
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: just you just worked at and worked at and worked at.

742
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: It is that three part process the process that you

743
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: take to get better at something within the deer hunting

744
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: world or did I miss a step there? Or is

745
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: there anything else you would add to that if you

746
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: were trying to tell someone like man, this is how

747
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: I address a problem or address a week area.

748
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's it. I think you said it.

749
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: You know, you have first have to admit that you

750
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: have that problem or that weakness. I go back to

751
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: what you and I have talked about a few times,

752
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: like there were there were periods where I was, you know,

753
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: very successful in the pre rut and rut, but like

754
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: late season in early season, you know, I would have

755
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: very intermittent success. It just wasn't that much. I wasn't

756
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: shooting mature animals in that timeframe nearly as much. And

757
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: I think that could be said for most of the

758
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: hunters out there. But I saw people doing it, you know,

759
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: And whenever I see someone doing something that I can't

760
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: do or that I'm not doing in the bow hunting world,

761
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: I take interest in that very very closely. And one

762
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: because I the way my mindset is is I want

763
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: to constantly be better. I want to constantly improve as

764
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: a bow hunter. I have no interest in like setting

765
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: myself up with a scenario, you know, maybe like a

766
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: farm or a tactic or a style and then just

767
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: kind of riding that out, you know, and just filling

768
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: a wall full of big bucks like that doesn't really

769
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: interest me. It doesn't motivate me. But getting better at

770
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: something when you think you're not good at it. That

771
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: motivates me very much. So when I see guys like

772
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: Jesse Coots, you know, who's killing his target book on

773
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: the first day of the season four years in a

774
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: row or whatever it was, I'm like, what, like how,

775
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: you know, like so and here I am, you know,

776
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 3: hunting every opening day for you know, fifteen seventeen years

777
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: and I have maybe a couple of bucks under my

778
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: belt early season, you know. So, Yeah, I sought out

779
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: the who in my mind was the expert or the

780
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: person that was doing it at such an elite level,

781
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: and learned everything I could from them, and then I

782
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: implemented that, you know, then I put in that work

783
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: that he was doing to be so successful at that time.

784
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: Same thing with you know, with ground hunting. You know,

785
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: I always did a bit of ground hunting when I

786
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: thought the situation called for it, but I was never

787
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: like super confident in it. I got busted a lot.

788
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: I always felt better up in a tree. I mean,

789
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: you're looking at you're watching the TV. Guys up in

790
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: the tree, You're watching, you know, reading North American White

791
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: Tails talking about tree stand placement. It really wasn't a thing.

792
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 3: And then you see all of a sudden, you see

793
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: guys that are doing it at a high level, like

794
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: a Jared Scheffler or something. It's like, wait, that guy

795
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: has skills that I don't have, you know, so that

796
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: makes me. That inspires me, and that kind of revamps

797
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: my motivation in bowhunting to like master that versatility, that

798
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: being able to apply all sorts of tactics when the

799
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: situation is right and you can keep going further down

800
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: the line. Like, yeah, I was good in farm and

801
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: marsh and swamps and river bottoms, but like you put

802
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: me in the big woods in the hills, I kind

803
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 3: of felt lost. Even though I could still get on deer.

804
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: I was like I kind of didn't feel like I

805
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: had that confidence. And so, you know, I start talking

806
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: to guys that that's their bread and butter, you know,

807
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: and the guys that get it done in that scenario,

808
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: and then I put myself in that scenario to really

809
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: learn it and to really get effective at it, you know,

810
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: in multiple types of terrain, multiple states, multiple types of habitat,

811
00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: multiple tactics, and it's just you know, it's kind of

812
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: evolved into this like versatile style where I feel very confident,

813
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, using a decoy, whether it's still

814
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: hunting with a bow, whether it's a typical tree stand,

815
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: whether it's sneaking in close to a bed, or you know,

816
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: finding a good rough spot and grinding it out for

817
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: a few days. I have that confidence to do it

818
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: when I think that's the right move. Now I'm not

819
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: always right, but I think that versatility has made me

820
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: a much better hunter than I was early on, and

821
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: it's made me effective throughout the season from start to

822
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: finish in multiple different areas, multiple different types of terrain,

823
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: multiple different levels of hunting pressure. And it's you know,

824
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: you said it in the beginning, like I don't really

825
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 3: consider myself an elite hunter because I still make mistakes

826
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: all the time and I'm still like second guessing myself

827
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: all the time. But it certainly has improved me as

828
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: a hunter, and I feel the confidence that I can

829
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: go anywhere and be effective. So I don't know, that's

830
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: kind of the long the long way around that answer,

831
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: but yeah, that versatility, you know, is is real important.

832
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that versatility in the experience that got you

833
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: to that point is I think the secret to confidence

834
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: in many cases, right, and confidence is that intangible that

835
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: makes such a difference during a hunting season. So, yeah,

836
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 2: I get you what you're saying there.

837
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: Tell me this.

838
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: You mentioned a bunch of things over the last twenty

839
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: thirty minutes that I imagine you do consistently, things about

840
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: like the way you approach you know, your archery, your

841
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: physical fitness, your scouting. There's a lot of things that

842
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: you seem to consistently tackle. You do things on a

843
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: consistent basis to lead to consistent success. And another way

844
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: to talk about these kinds of things would be habits.

845
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you a couple of questions

846
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 2: about your habits, and number one, right out the gate,

847
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: what would you say is your very most important habit.

848
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: In regards to being successful as a bow hunter? Yeah,

849
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: I would say I kind of have a habitual routine

850
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: kind of throughout the year, and I don't I don't really,

851
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: I don't vary from it and I don't take away

852
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: from it. If anything, I just add to it. But

853
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: it kind of revolves around, you know, going to the

854
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: gym to make sure my body is strong and ready

855
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: but also my mind. So yes, I enjoy working out.

856
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: It relieves my stress. It makes me feel good. I

857
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 3: like to feel strong, I like to feel able. When

858
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: I was nineteen twenty twenty five, I was like, you know,

859
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: like most guys at age full of testosterone, I just

860
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: want to be big and muscular. Now I don't even

861
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: care about that. I want to be effective in the woods.

862
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: And I know, you know, whitetail hunting is, you know,

863
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: kind of a thing where you don't necessarily need to

864
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: be strong and fit. But I like to hunt other species.

865
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: As you can see, like some of these deer behind me,

866
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: they're mule deer. Some are high country, some are desert,

867
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: some are you know, western plains. They require a lot

868
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: of miles, They require a lot of flexibility and agility

869
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 3: and endurance. So my workouts now are kind of geared

870
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: more towards that. But I mentioned the mental part too.

871
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: Doing that consistently just builds a strong mind. It builds

872
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 3: me mental toughness. So I choose to get up at

873
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 3: five because I don't want to get up at five.

874
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: I choose to get up at five to get it

875
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: done and to start my day because it's it's hard.

876
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: It sucks, Like every time I'm like, oh god, d

877
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like every time I bitch

878
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: about it, you know, but I don't sit there, you know,

879
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: I don't grab my phone and him and Hall and

880
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: I literally I just it goes off. I hit that

881
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: thing probably within three seconds, and I just I sit

882
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: up and I sit there and I stretch my back

883
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: and I kind of do this and everything's creaking and cracking,

884
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh my gosh. And I get up

885
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: and I'm stiff. You know, I got a bad back.

886
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: I get up, I'm stiff. I can barely stand up straight.

887
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I just start moving

888
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: and everything starts loosening up. And I go to the

889
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: gym and I do things to kind of preserve all

890
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 3: these ailments that I'm having as I age and to

891
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: make them strong. But that getting up early and forcing

892
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: myself to do it, it's like a it's like a

893
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 3: mental hurdle that I start my day off with. And

894
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: then it also doesn't interfere with family time. I'm not

895
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: like working a full workday and then going to the

896
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: gym for an hour and a half and then getting home.

897
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I'm maximizing, I can come I can

898
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: come home and spend time with the family and still

899
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: getting you know, get my arrows in. But it's you know,

900
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: that's something that is a happen that's a routine of

901
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 3: mine year long, and I kind of ramp that up

902
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: leading up to the season. And my motivation is to

903
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 3: be able to do this as long as I can.

904
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 3: And I understand, like white tail hunting, you don't need

905
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: to do it as much. I still think it's important.

906
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 3: I still think it helps you. Yeah, and I want

907
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 3: to be able to climb it. I mean, look at

908
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: John Eberhart. I mean, the dude's seventy four or whatever

909
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: he is and he's still prepping, you know, forty some

910
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 3: trees thirty foot up in there. You know, I remember

911
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago he called me. I don't

912
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: remember what he called me about, but he was like,

913
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: he was hacking a trail through a marsh, like to

914
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: get to this tree. I'm like, what you know? I mean,

915
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm like, yeah, this guy, this guy's a machine.

916
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: But I want to I want to be able to

917
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: do that. I want to be able to go to

918
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: the mountains and crush. And that's a big time reason

919
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: why I hunt with a lot of these younger guys

920
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: out there because a lot of guys my age don't

921
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: want to do it anymore. You know, I'm approaching fifty,

922
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: but I feel great out there. I mean, I still

923
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: feel great out there. In addition to that, Yes, you

924
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: mentioned my archery. I love archery. Archery is like a

925
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:47,479
Speaker 3: meditation for me. It's a it's like therapy. I love

926
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: shooting my bow. I do it just about every day.

927
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: I mean certainly, you know, you go on trips and stuff.

928
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: He can't always bring your bow. But it might not

929
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: be you know, five minutes I go out there and

930
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: fling a few arrows, or I might go out there

931
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: for an hour. There's been days where I've literally went

932
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: out three or four different times, three or four different

933
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: sessions when I have like a day off or something

934
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: and people are doing stuff and I have that time.

935
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: But I set a set aside time each year, you know,

936
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 3: when I'm coming out of the season, to build that muscle,

937
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: memory back, build that strength, shoot those reps indoors when

938
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 3: it's when it's snowing cold out, build that strength, build

939
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: that shot execution, go through those target panic girls. Then

940
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: when it starts getting nice out then I go to testing.

941
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: I'll test my gear. I'll try some new fletching, I'll

942
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: try some new arrows, I'll try some new heads, maybe

943
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: tweak my bow a little bit, trying to find little

944
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: ways to improve my gear, improve the forgiveness, improve the consistency.

945
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: And I'll carry that on through you know, April, May, June.

946
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: You know, I've past past few years, I've been trying

947
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: to you know, stay active, bow hunting, doing some turkey,

948
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: some bear, some access deer, to stay sharp. That's been helpful.

949
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: But then as I get into like you know, mid July,

950
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: late July, I want to settle in on something. If

951
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to make any changes, I want to settle

952
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: in on it and commit to it. And then I

953
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: switch to what I you know, I call like archery,

954
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: you know, archery training almost bow hunting training. Where I'm

955
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: going out, you know, I'm ranging, boom down, come to

956
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: full draw, execute a good shot up in a tree,

957
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: in my saddle in a tree, stand down on the

958
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: ground on my knees. I got a great backyard where

959
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: I can shoot out past one hundred yards, and there's

960
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: woods on the side where I can kind of get

961
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: up on the sidehill. So I can get uneven footing

962
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: shooting out through holes, so everything is like realistic because

963
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 3: I hunt a lout on the ground. Because I hunt

964
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 3: a lot out west, I shoot from my knees, I

965
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 3: shoot from my butt, I shoot on uneven ground, I

966
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: shoot through holes, and I try to make things realistic

967
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: to what I find when I bow hunt, because as

968
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, I mean very rarely unless you're on like

969
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: a like a man Is farm where you can kind

970
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: of set up and you know, kind of know where

971
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: the deer kind of come from and come to you.

972
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 3: Then you can maybe set up some really good seated

973
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: shots out of a tree stand. But a lot of

974
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: times when we're hunting new areas, we don't have that.

975
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: We're not able to trim. You're going up in a

976
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 3: tree that's not perfect. You know, you end up with

977
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: a weird shot angle like this. You're you're off balance,

978
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: you're bending down, you're hunching down. Those things are hard

979
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: and realistically, how many guys practice that. We practice flat

980
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: footed in the backyard at twenty thirty forty and then

981
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 3: we go to wherever, Ohio, and you know, you get

982
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: up in this tree and then you got this buck

983
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: running down off the ridge and you can't trim and

984
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 3: there he is at you know, twenty nine. You're trying to,

985
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: you know, get a shot through like this, like those

986
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 3: are the shots we get. And the way I look

987
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: at is I have to train for that. I have

988
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: to train and put myself through those types of scenarios

989
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: if I'm going to be expected to do it, and

990
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: the most high pressure moment of my season if I don't,

991
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: of course I'm going to fail. Of Course I'm going

992
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: to hit him high. Of course I'm going to hit

993
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: him back. Of course I'm going to miss. Of course

994
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to rush the shot because I haven't tried

995
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: it even once. So I've ingrained that into my routine,

996
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: into that late summer routine where I am trying hard shots,

997
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: things that are very challenging, challenging my balance, challenging my footing,

998
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: shooting through holes, learning my trajectory. And that's kind of

999
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: where I'm at right now with stuff. And Lisa always

1000
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: makes fun of me. She goes, what I said, I'm

1001
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: going to go shoot my bow, and she'll go, You're

1002
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: gonna go roll around in the grass again, because she

1003
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: comes out, she comes out on the deck and she

1004
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: sees me like I'm on my knees and I'm hunched

1005
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: over and I draw like this, and then I set

1006
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: up and shoot. You know, she calls it rolling around

1007
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 3: in the grass. So but but but that's that's my mindset,

1008
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, that's my mindset. Is like I'm preparing for

1009
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: those scenarios. Like last year, I killed two bucks off

1010
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: the ground, one on my knees that I had to

1011
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: basically sneak through, you know, sneak through this hedgerow to

1012
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: get to got down on my knees, stopped him and

1013
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: came to full draw, all in one motion, and it

1014
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: was you know, it was a shot towards kind of

1015
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: the end of what I considered like my ethical extended range. There,

1016
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: you know, put a great shot on them. You know,

1017
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,479
Speaker 3: if if if I don't train that stuff, I don't

1018
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: I don't have that opportunity, or if I take it,

1019
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: I did, something bad happens. So so then you know,

1020
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: during the season, you know, then I'm like, I'm kind

1021
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: of head down grinding through the season, but I will

1022
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: still make time to go out there check my marks.

1023
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: The bow is a machine. The bow, so the machine

1024
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: changes throughout the season, whether you think so or not.

1025
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: It does. You put it in the your truck and

1026
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 3: it's eighty five degrees in there, and then you pull

1027
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: it out and then you put it back in the

1028
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: string stretch. Now, if you're a twenty yard you know

1029
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: Mac shot or thirty yard max shot, you might not

1030
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 3: know it. You might it might change this much at

1031
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: a target that's not much. But when you're going out

1032
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 3: west where you might be hunting some of these mule

1033
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: deer or those antelope down there, it's like, you know,

1034
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: those are longer shots. You know, a two or three

1035
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: inch change at twenty thirty yards is a five six

1036
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: seven inch change out there. I've seen it happen. It's

1037
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 3: happened to me. So constantly checking those marks, making sure

1038
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: you're good, making sure your form and your execution is good.

1039
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: I do that kind of throughout the season, and then

1040
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: you know, when season ends, I just I start the

1041
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 3: whole thing all over again. And that is consistency. It's

1042
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: it in within all of that. That's kind of like

1043
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: working on myself. But throughout the year, hunting season, before

1044
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: hunting season, after hunting season, I am scout scouting as

1045
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: much as I can. Sometimes I get big windows where

1046
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 3: I can scout a ton, and I scout a ton,

1047
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: and then there's other times where there's a lot of

1048
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: family stuff and I can barely find time to get out,

1049
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: so I might scout for an hour, or I might

1050
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: go glassing for the last forty five minutes of daylight.

1051
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: What I try to do is prioritize windows of scouting

1052
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: when I make sure I get in what I feel

1053
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 3: like I need to to be successful, and that is

1054
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 3: postseason kind of you know, before spring green up, before

1055
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, when the snow melts, before you know, like

1056
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: before it gets really thick with vegetation. That is a

1057
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: window where I feel I need to be out there.

1058
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: I need to gather some information. If I'm going to

1059
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: a new air or a new state that's going to

1060
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 3: be during the rut. I want to be able to

1061
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 3: look during that time because I can break it apart easily.

1062
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 3: I can see things easily, and things make very good

1063
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: sense to me. I can move into that area with

1064
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 3: really high confidence whether I find a good buck bed

1065
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: or whether it's going to be a rut hunt, and

1066
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: I can put myself in a situation where I think

1067
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: I have a high chance of success or in the rut,

1068
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: and then you know, through the rest of the summer,

1069
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: kind of like midsummer, it's not as important for me

1070
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 3: to get out, so I won't push it. I'll spend

1071
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: more time with the family. But when I do get

1072
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: those windows, I'll still go out. I'll tie up, you know,

1073
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 3: some loose ends that I wasn't able to get to.

1074
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: In that window where I prefer to get out, I

1075
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: can still gain some really good knowledge during that time.

1076
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 3: It's just a little harder because things are starting to

1077
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: thicken up. But that's not a time where I push

1078
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 3: to get out in the woods a lot. It's just

1079
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: not return on investment there, I think is lower. And

1080
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 3: then as I get closer to the beginning of the season,

1081
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: I have another window where I need to be out

1082
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: there if I want to get on a buck early.

1083
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: And that's like that those two two and a half

1084
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: weeks leading up to the season, that is a window

1085
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: where I will spend some time out glassing. I will

1086
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: put some cameras in spots where I can't glass. I

1087
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: will walk perimeter of some food sources, trying to you know,

1088
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 3: see if they're if I can cut a big track.

1089
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 3: I use those three methods there glassing where I can glass.

1090
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: If it sets up well for glassing, i'll glass. If

1091
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 3: it doesn't set up well for glassing, I'll use camera

1092
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: work and I'll put those down in those spots where

1093
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: I can't see or if it's too thick, and try

1094
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: to do you know, maybe a check before season. And

1095
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 3: then the other one is literally just kind of walking

1096
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 3: the perimeter of where you know, marsh meets meets food

1097
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: source or woods meets foods and cutting a track. And

1098
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: then a lot of times what I can do is

1099
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: I can look at a map, or I can scout

1100
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: my way back in, and I can get pretty darn

1101
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: good at anticipating where you know that buck is bedded.

1102
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: It may I might not have the exact bed, but

1103
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: I can a lot of times just from knowledge and experience,

1104
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 3: I can estimate that you know, he's probably writing here,

1105
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: and I can probably access through here, and I can

1106
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: probably set up here and have a realistic chance. If

1107
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: it's a higher pressure setting, I'm probably going to push

1108
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: back a little further. If it's a lower pressure setting

1109
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: like Kentucky or something, I might I might favor more

1110
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: towards the field or the food source. So these are

1111
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: all experiences that I've had, you know, in the past,

1112
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 3: and all these like things are going through my head.

1113
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm really kind of relying on a lot of past

1114
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: experience and instinctual you know, instinctual feelings to make these decisions.

1115
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: But that's you know, and then throughout the season it's

1116
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 3: it's scout a lot, hunt when I can or when

1117
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: I think the time is right. So it's still very

1118
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: much scouting, heavy, hunt a little less. That has to

1119
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: do more with my schedule, not necessarily what I want

1120
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: to do, but that makes me all those things that

1121
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: I told you, and then that in season scouting and

1122
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 3: then those high percentage shits sits is what makes me

1123
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: pretty efficient unlimited time.

1124
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: So you talked about a lot of those things that

1125
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: you've done over your experiences over the years many years,

1126
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: have led to you now, you know, having the confidence

1127
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: to be able to pick apart a place or identify

1128
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: the spot within the spot when you find it or

1129
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: when you've cut that track, whatever it might be. So

1130
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: that's kind of alluding to your past history all adding

1131
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: up to where you are now. That led to me

1132
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: thinking about or leading me to be curious about something

1133
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: that has happened more recently for you. So I'm curious,

1134
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 2: is there anything over the last few years that has

1135
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: changed for you, a new belief, a new habit, a

1136
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: new behavior that's really improved things for you. Is there

1137
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: any recent thing that all of a sudden You've picked

1138
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: up and been like, ah, this this helps, or this

1139
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: new idea helps, or this new habit has made a difference.

1140
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: Anything come to mind.

1141
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of I guess a couple of tactics

1142
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 3: come to mind that I've definitely done more frequently. I've

1143
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 3: done them in the past too, but as I alluded

1144
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: to kind of earlier we were talking about it, I

1145
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: didn't do it as much, you know, the ground hunting

1146
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 3: and decoy usage. I've been using a lot more. Mainly

1147
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: the ground hunting. We all know, like you know, setting

1148
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: up in you know, on the ground, you can set

1149
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 3: up on the ground just to give what a tree

1150
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 3: stand in like an ambush style situation. But I'm talking more,

1151
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, I justin Wright and I we call it

1152
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,959
Speaker 3: like slip hunting. So essentially, you'd be going into maybe

1153
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 3: it is an area familiar with and that's fine, or

1154
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 3: an area you're not familiar with and you're going in

1155
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: and you know what I would wear is like my

1156
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: tree saddle, and then I would have like a platform

1157
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: with a set of sticks strapped to my back like

1158
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 3: on a predator pack or something just very minimalistic, a

1159
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 3: bow rope and my bow. And what I'm doing is

1160
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: I'm kind of planning a route through there, through the

1161
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: terrain that I pick out ahead of time, and I'm

1162
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 3: moving through, still hunting, with the goal of you know

1163
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: a few things optimally, like the number one greatest thing

1164
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 3: would be to, oh, I get eyes on a buck,

1165
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: and now I'm in some sort of situation where I

1166
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 3: might be able to sneak closer, spot and stock or

1167
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: or just you know, get closer let him make the

1168
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: last move. That doesn't happen that often. It does sometimes,

1169
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: especially more open terrain, especially like if you're out, you know,

1170
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: during the rut or something, it could happen quite a

1171
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: bit that way because you're more active throughout the day.

1172
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 3: The other scenario where that's where that's really valuable is

1173
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: I'm slipping through and I'm scouting. I'm hunting, but I'm

1174
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: scouting and I come across the sign that tells me

1175
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: that this is a good spot, or maybe I should

1176
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: sit this now. Now I'm ready to go with my

1177
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 3: gear to hunt that sign if I if I feel

1178
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 3: like or I can, you know, kind of play off

1179
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 3: my instincts and see if I need, if I feel

1180
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 3: like I need to follow that sign back a little more.

1181
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 3: But by by having that confidence to go in there,

1182
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: you know, you might get a visual or you might

1183
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: come across the sign that tells you that this spot

1184
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 3: is worth hunting, or you might work through that whole area.

1185
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 3: Another thing that's not not bad at all, and I

1186
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 3: welcome this every time, is you actually bump a buck.

1187
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 3: You know, you bump a buck. Yeah, it sucks, you

1188
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 3: don't want necessarily want to do that, but now you

1189
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: know where one is, you know. And I wouldn't have

1190
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: known that if I didn't apply that tactic, that slip

1191
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: hunting tactic. So now I'm in the game with a buck.

1192
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: You know, maybe it's a soft bump and I can

1193
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: get them coming back. I've pulled that off a couple

1194
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,839
Speaker 3: of times. Justin's pulled that off five or six times.

1195
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: Maybe you bump them a little harder and he goes

1196
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 3: over the ridge and it's like, okay, that's fine. Now

1197
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 3: I know the general area where this is, and we

1198
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: can play start playing that game. So all three of

1199
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: those things are good, right, All three of those things

1200
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't have happened if I didn't apply that tactic. And

1201
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: then the last one is you work through that whole

1202
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: area and you don't see anything exciting, and you just

1203
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 3: write that area off. So when I started doing this more,

1204
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 3: it started putting me in front of big deer more often,

1205
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 3: It started creating situations for me, It started leading me

1206
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: towards sign that I never would have seen if I

1207
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 3: wasn't more kind of willing to go in there and

1208
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 3: aggressively scout those areas. Now, I'm not saying do this

1209
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 3: on your forty acres that you're leased out, that you

1210
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 3: have presets and you have a food plot planet. I'm

1211
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 3: not saying to do that. That wouldn't I don't think

1212
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: that would necessarily be appropriate. But you might be able

1213
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 3: to do it on a small scale, Like maybe there's

1214
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 3: a little pocket over here that you see, you know,

1215
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 3: see some tracks coming out of and you're like, what, man,

1216
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 3: I didn't even consider that. So you kind of go

1217
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 3: over there with you know, your mobile setup, and you

1218
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: follow the sign in and you're very careful. Obviously it's

1219
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: a smaller piece, so you're going to be much more

1220
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 3: delicate with your approach, and maybe you find a spot

1221
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 3: to sit up and capitalize on that. But like in

1222
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,839
Speaker 3: an area where maybe you have a few different spots

1223
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: to hunt and they aren't out, and it's like, Okay,

1224
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try this spot. I'm gonna try this public

1225
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 3: piece or this permission piece that i'd never hunt, you know,

1226
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 3: and then you apply that that has opened up so

1227
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: many doors for me and all of those scenarios that

1228
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 3: I mentioned. I run into a buck, I see them,

1229
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 3: and I spot in stock that has happened. I come

1230
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 3: into a hot sign and I end up setting up

1231
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: right there. I've had that, I've had that work and

1232
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: end up shooting a buck. And then I've also bumped

1233
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 3: a buck and now I'm I'm in the game with

1234
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: that deer where I otherwise wouldn't have been. And then

1235
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 3: many times I scout my way through and I don't

1236
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 3: learn anything other than the lay of the land, you know.

1237
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: But maybe I see something that's like, hey, you know

1238
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 3: that doesn't have big bucks sign. But like man, I

1239
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 3: bumped fifteen or twenty different dos, Like I'm gonna come

1240
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 3: back here during the ruck. You know, all that's valuable

1241
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 3: and all that is is due to that kind of

1242
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: slip hunting style. And then I mentioned the decoy thing.

1243
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: The decoy thing has has really opened some doors for

1244
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 3: me kind of more in that open country. And I

1245
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: gained one of my biggest white tails. He's upstairs, but

1246
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 3: my biggest Michigan white tail. He was the biggest buck

1247
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 3: in the state, killed in two thousand and six with

1248
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 3: a bow, and I killed him over a decoy. And uh,

1249
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy, like just like the old you know,

1250
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 3: three D style decoy, the Kerry light. I still have

1251
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 3: that decoy. I still use it, so I knew it

1252
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 3: can be effective, even though it's not as effective in

1253
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 3: Michigan in general. I knew it could be effective. But

1254
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: I had guys, my buddy Mark Jost, He's killed fifty

1255
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 3: big white tails over decoys. I don't even know how many.

1256
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 3: It's insane. You see what Jared Scheffler's done, Jesse Coots,

1257
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, out in Kansas with his decoy. And I

1258
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: start seeing these guys, I'm like, Okay, you know there

1259
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 3: is something here. There is something here to this that

1260
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: I am missing. Out on. So I, you know, bought

1261
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: some some more mobile type decoys and I've been using

1262
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 3: them more in the last few years and that has

1263
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 3: really created some awesome hunts. I've shot uh two deer

1264
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: using those. I missed my target buck last year, you know,

1265
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 3: in a snowstorm. It was like a white out snowstorm

1266
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: in November. It was just weird. It like blew in

1267
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 3: for like twenty minutes, and I'm just like, you know,

1268
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: looking down. My bow's white. I'm all white, and I'm

1269
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,440
Speaker 3: looking out into this field and I can't see anything.

1270
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I look up and

1271
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: my decoys out there, and there's this big old buck

1272
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: like right at it. And I'm like, holy smokes, you know.

1273
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: And I come to full draw. And as I'm at

1274
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 3: full draw, I look and I see like all that

1275
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: white down my arrow, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

1276
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 3: you know. So I'm trying to decide, like is this

1277
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 3: going to affect my arrow? And I didn't want to

1278
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 3: make any changes, so I put the pin right on

1279
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 3: him and I shot my arrow went right into the dirt.

1280
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 3: I ended up shooting that buck later on, like about

1281
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 3: a week later, from the ground spot in stock, So

1282
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: it's created just a new excitement level, you know, and

1283
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 3: that kind of that open country. And what I found

1284
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 3: is like some of the areas I hunt that are

1285
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 3: really open. I think that that's a huge advantage to

1286
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: have that. So last year I was after that buck.

1287
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: He's over there somewhere, but I was after that buck

1288
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 3: several times, and I kept seeing him out in the open,

1289
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 3: and I always had that decoy with me. I made

1290
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: a post it's a heads up decoy, and I always

1291
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 3: had that thing with me. So I had my bow

1292
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: in one hand, this in one hand, and I was

1293
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 3: always on the ground, and I was always sneaking around,

1294
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 3: slipping around because he was very visual, but he was

1295
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 3: always out in the open and he was just where

1296
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't get to him. So that decoy played a

1297
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 3: really key role in drawing him into bow range. So yeah,

1298
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 3: I would say I would say those two things. Adopting

1299
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 3: those two strategies have you know, over the last five

1300
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 3: seven years, I've gained a lot of confidence in those

1301
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 3: and they've made me a better hunter, more versatile type

1302
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 3: hunter for sure.

1303
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Goes back to what you said about that versatility,

1304
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 2: like the if you are a one trick pony. You

1305
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: are vulnerable, right if if there's only one place you

1306
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 2: can get it done or one way you can get

1307
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 2: it done. Inevitably, in a hunting season, there are going

1308
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: to be times when that thing's not going to work out,

1309
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: where something changes and your spot isn't what it was,

1310
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: or your tactic isn't what it was. You have to

1311
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: have more tools in the toolbox, and you are a

1312
01:14:55,160 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 2: really good example of that. I want to shift a

1313
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: little bit towards three kind of and intangibles. But the

1314
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: more I think about it, I think they might be

1315
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: the three or at least in my mind maybe the

1316
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: three most important intangibles for consistent deer hunting success. Those

1317
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: three things being hard work or your work ethic, number

1318
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: two mental toughness, and number three decision making. Like those

1319
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: three things, work ethic, mental toughness, and decision making, I

1320
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: think form a huge part of what makes anyone successful.

1321
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: So I'd like to walk through each one of those

1322
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 2: with you to understand how you look at those three things.

1323
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: And so maybe let's start with work ethic or hard

1324
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: work in the context of deer hunting. Andy, how would

1325
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: you how would you define hard work as a deer hunter,

1326
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: How would you illustrate that in your own life? Like,

1327
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: what does hard work look like for you? Because we

1328
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: all talk about you gotta work hard, right that all

1329
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: the time. But I think what we might think when

1330
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: we hear someone say that versus what it actually looks

1331
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: like on the ground for the very most successful deer

1332
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: hunters probably looks a little bit different. And you've given

1333
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: us some examples already, But could you elaborate a little

1334
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: bit in your life, in your deer hunting world hard work?

1335
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: What does it look like? What does it mean?

1336
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: I think you know when you hear hard work, you're

1337
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 3: thinking like, you know, sweating and you know you're using

1338
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 3: your your strength or your endurance and you know you're

1339
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: out of breath. That certainly comes into play, you know

1340
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 3: at certain times for sure. But like hard work, to me,

1341
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: deer hunting a lot is just being consistent with your

1342
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 3: effort that is going to eventually end in a successful result.

1343
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 3: So to me, hard work could be you know, I

1344
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 3: can't get out today, but I'm gonna sit at my

1345
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 3: computer and there's this book I'm gonna I'm gonna target

1346
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. I'm gonna go through all of

1347
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 3: the the data I have on him, all the sightings,

1348
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 3: all the trail camera data, and I'm gonna see if

1349
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: I can come up with some patterns something that will

1350
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 3: help me. Hard work could be staying consistent, you know,

1351
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 3: going out and shooting your boat constantly. The guy that

1352
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 3: the guy that does that and does that properly, I mean,

1353
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 3: he's he's going to be at an advantage when that

1354
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 3: that opportunity comes. Hard work could be you know, going

1355
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 3: out if you have your eighty acres and you're out

1356
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 3: there in the summer and you're trimming your spots so

1357
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 3: that all of your shooting lanes are clear and you're

1358
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 3: gonna have good clear shots. Your stands are set, everything

1359
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 3: is prepped. You know, you got mock scrapes sit in,

1360
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 3: you got your cameras out, you got all this stuff

1361
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: ready to go, and you've you've done the work. You've

1362
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 3: set the stage for a successful season. And you know,

1363
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 3: maybe for a more public land oriented guy, it's you've

1364
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: done sufficient scouting. You've scouted you know this piece and

1365
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: this piece and this piece. You've narrowed it down to

1366
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, your three or four spots on here that

1367
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 3: you're going to focus on during the rut, and then

1368
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 3: you know over here this spot had a big buck

1369
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 3: early season, and you're trying to learn as much as

1370
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: you can about him. You're in there, You're you're figuring

1371
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 3: out all right, I knew he was betted on this ridge,

1372
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 3: and okay, I found a bet on this point. And

1373
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 3: here's the oak, the oak flat down here at the bottom,

1374
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 3: and looks like he might cross down here at the bottom.

1375
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,520
Speaker 3: This seems like a good funnel. Like you're you're you're

1376
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 3: constantly working at setting yourself up for success. I mean,

1377
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 3: all of those things, to me are are hard work.

1378
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 3: Like hard work can just be showing up consistently in

1379
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 3: a manner that is going to set yourself up for success.

1380
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean I've been on some hunts where

1381
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 3: hard work is you're beating your body to a bloody

1382
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 3: pulp to get you know, up a mountain into this

1383
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 3: basin that is, you know, three ridge lines over you know,

1384
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 3: maybe if you're you're hunting elk or you're hunting mule

1385
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 3: deer or something like that, that's hard work. I mean,

1386
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 3: that's something not a lot of people can do. But

1387
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting though, too, because like I've seen guys

1388
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 3: do that that aren't necessarily like fit. They're just they're

1389
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 3: they're tough, you know, They're just tough and they don't quit.

1390
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 3: So that is a big intangible there of just being

1391
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 3: mentally tough and not quitting and being able to do

1392
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 3: kind of whatever it takes and take your lumps. But yeah,

1393
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. I would say that hard work could

1394
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: be a lot of different things, but it's really if

1395
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 3: you see the guys that are real successful at the

1396
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 3: highest level, you know, and I'm not I'm not. I'm

1397
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 3: talking about guys that can you could pretty much throw

1398
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 3: them anywhere and they're going to have success. It's something

1399
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 3: that they do in some way, shape or form a

1400
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: year round. They're doing something almost year round. Yeah, they

1401
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: might take breaks to do bass fishing, they might take

1402
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 3: breaks to do some fly fishing. But they're still working out,

1403
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: they're still running, they're still shooting their ball, they're still

1404
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, when they get a minute, they're getting online

1405
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 3: and looking at that Kansas piece of public in Kansas

1406
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 3: where they're going to be in November. It's just it's

1407
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 3: a consistent focus on that, uh, in different ways that

1408
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: it's going to set yourself up for success. So it

1409
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean you're like killing yourself physically. It could be,

1410
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 3: like I said, as little as you know, sitting down

1411
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 3: and breaking down some data. To me, that is all

1412
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 3: hard work, it's all consistency, and it all leads to success.

1413
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a lot of times where like guys

1414
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 3: will just physically outwork guys. Maybe you're on you know,

1415
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: you're on a hunt, and this guy is going in early,

1416
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 3: he's sitting all day, he's you know, he's hiking a

1417
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: mile and a half back. He's putting in way more

1418
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: work than this guy that's kind of sleeping in. He's dragging,

1419
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 3: you know, he's kind of walking out in gray light.

1420
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 3: He comes back in at nine and I saw a

1421
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 3: couple of dos, you know, both still hunting the same area,

1422
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: both still on the same hunt. But there's one guy

1423
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 3: that's clearly outworking the other. And that's the guy that

1424
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: deserves the success. You know, it should be the guy

1425
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 3: that puts in more time, more effort, you know, is

1426
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 3: a little more creative with his thinking, a little more focused.

1427
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: Those guys should come out on top. That's the way

1428
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be.

1429
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: So so, so what about the not the flip side,

1430
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 4: but kind of the cousin of that, the mental side

1431
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 4: of that.

1432
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,879
Speaker 2: So mental toughness, how would you how would you describe

1433
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: that and what in what ways do you find that

1434
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: to be important for you?

1435
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 3: That's real important with bow hunting because in bow hunting

1436
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: you fail a lot, and it's hard. You know, bow

1437
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 3: hunting is hard. Even these days with these you know,

1438
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 3: these compound bos and all this technology, it's still hard, man,

1439
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 3: it is really hard. You start throwing in some difficult states,

1440
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 3: older age class, dear, different species, and it's hard. And

1441
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 3: you have to be able to accept the failure and

1442
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 3: not let it affect you to the point where it's

1443
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 3: going to lead into another mistake or another failure. You

1444
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 3: have to learn from it and try to improve, you know,

1445
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 3: if you made the mistake and stay positive and just

1446
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: keep moving forward, keep trying to improve, keep trying to

1447
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 3: eliminate those mistakes. It's staying consistent, you know, Like I

1448
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: mentioned the gym thing, you know, that's that's mental toughness.

1449
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 3: You know, it's like being able to override yourself, override

1450
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 3: that comfort, override what you'd rather do for something that

1451
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: you should do that's going to make you better, make

1452
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 3: you healthier, improve your life, improve your mood, improve your hunting.

1453
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: That's mental toughness. I mean, it's it's you're pushing through

1454
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: kind of that weak voice that you have. You know,

1455
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 3: you know, you're on day seven of the rut. You've

1456
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 3: you've hunted all day, you know, six out of seven days,

1457
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: and you're just like, oh my gosh, and you you know,

1458
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 3: you force yourself to get up and get out there,

1459
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: and then you're rewarded with the buck, you know, the

1460
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 3: buck that you've been after. That's mental toughness. I think

1461
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 3: you know that comes into play big time with bow hunting,

1462
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 3: because we you are going to fail. You're gonna fail

1463
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: a ton, you're gonna miss, You're gonna wound it, You're

1464
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 3: gonna wound animals. You're gonna feel like a piece of crap.

1465
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 3: You're gonna feel like you suck. I feel I feel

1466
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: like I suck every hunting season. At some point every

1467
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: hunting season, I feel like I'm not sure if I'm

1468
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: going to kill another deer in my life. I seriously

1469
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 3: feel that. I literally feel that, and uh, there's times

1470
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 3: where I'll be out there I'll be like, how did

1471
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 3: I ever get an arrow in one of these? How

1472
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 3: did I ever do it? And then then it happens.

1473
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: You know, the playbook that I follow works. You know,

1474
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: it does work, but you are going to fail. You're

1475
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 3: gonna fall on your face. You just have to pick

1476
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 3: yourself up, not let it beat you up too bad.

1477
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 3: I do think making You know, big mistakes are are

1478
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 3: as painful as they are, they're good because it's usually

1479
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: those big ones that hurt or that affect you so deeply.

1480
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: Those are the you usually the ones that spark the

1481
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 3: biggest change. Those are the ones that are like, Okay,

1482
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 3: enough is enough. I'm not doing that again, you know,

1483
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 3: And yes, you screwed up on that one buck, but

1484
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 3: it ends up getting you ten other ones down the road.

1485
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: So give yourself some grace, be patient with yourself. You're

1486
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 3: gonna make mistakes, let them roll off your back, but

1487
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 3: use them, you know, don't. There's value in those, so

1488
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 3: you have to use those. And if you don't, if

1489
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 3: you don't even think about it, you're like, oh, you know,

1490
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 3: there's bad luck or whatever, and you don't. You don't

1491
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: think about it, you don't try to correct it, you

1492
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 3: don't think about why that dear did this, or why

1493
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 3: did I do that? You know what happened, what went wrong,

1494
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 3: It's going to happen again, And just that mindset in

1495
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 3: general overall over the long term, it makes you deadly.

1496
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, it makes you very, very deadly because then

1497
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 3: you start to you know, eliminate some of those options

1498
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 3: that could go wrong, mitigate them as much as you can,

1499
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 3: and then you know you're just set up for success

1500
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 3: much more, you know, with that type of mindset.

1501
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: So true. So then the last of these key intangibles

1502
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 2: then decision making. So you've got to put in the

1503
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: hard work to put yourself in position for success. You

1504
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: need to have the mental toughness to deal with adversity,

1505
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 2: to maintain consistency, to be out there in the right mindset.

1506
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: But then decision making. This is kind of in the

1507
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: day to day when you're deciding what do I do today?

1508
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: How do I handle the situation? Where do I go?

1509
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: When do I hunt? Which deer? Do I hunt? Which

1510
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 2: tree do I hunt? While you're working your way through

1511
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: the woods and you're scouting, do I stop here or

1512
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 2: do I keep going? Is this the spot? Is this

1513
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 2: not the spot? I find myself every season so many

1514
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:55,480
Speaker 2: different times in that scenario, in one of those scenarios

1515
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: with my mental gears turning and turning, and I'm a

1516
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: thinker and sometimes as an overthinker, and and you know,

1517
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 2: it's kind of torture in the moment sometimes or I'm

1518
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: up all night thinking about what should I do. So

1519
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 2: it's both my favorite thing and and my least favorite

1520
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: thing about hunting. Maybe is that part, but mostly my favorite.

1521
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: So I'm curious with you, what does your what does

1522
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: your decision making process look like in any one of

1523
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: those scenarios. How do you weigh the costs and benefits

1524
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 2: or the pros and cons or this spot versus that spot?

1525
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: You know, because there's a thousand different decisions we need

1526
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 2: to make over the course of a deer hunting season,

1527
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 2: and oftentimes they're very important.

1528
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a good one because I know

1529
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 3: you are that type. You have that type of brain,

1530
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 3: and you are that that person that really thinks and

1531
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:52,919
Speaker 3: can fall into overthinking to the point where you're frozen

1532
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: almost And you know I am I'm probably well, I'm

1533
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: definitely different than that, but I can relate to that

1534
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 3: because I do love data, and I have collected a

1535
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 3: lot of data over the years to look for trends

1536
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: and stuff. But what I've really found that's been helpful

1537
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 3: to me is that I've learned just to kind of

1538
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 3: rely on my gut and rely on my instincts. And

1539
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: I enjoy that much more than being kind of overwhelmed

1540
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 3: with information and data. And I still like data because

1541
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 3: it's great for learning, and you could plug that in

1542
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 3: and it can still kind of affect those instincts. But

1543
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 3: you know, these develop over time, and I think you know,

1544
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 3: you have a lot of experience, a lot of different areas.

1545
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 3: I think you'd be surprised if you tapped into those

1546
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 3: a little more just how effective you can be. We've

1547
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 3: we've kind of these days with with trail cameras and

1548
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 3: glassing and cell cameras and you know, software that breaks

1549
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: this down and that we've it's made it possible to

1550
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 3: just you know, gather a lot of data, even real

1551
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 3: time data, to the point where we're getting away from

1552
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: our instincts that we literally have inside us to pursue

1553
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 3: these critters. So I've learned to really kind of tap

1554
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 3: into those, and it's something that's evolved over time. They

1555
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 3: were very non existent, you know when I started, and

1556
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, slowly over time, through mistakes, through failures, recalculating

1557
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 3: trying something you know that didn't work, like you said,

1558
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: yet I went too far. I should have stopped there

1559
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: and I didn't, or I didn't go far enough and

1560
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 3: there he goes out of range. You know, your instincts

1561
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 3: are constantly like recalculating, you know, over time. It's a

1562
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 3: long term play, it's it's a long game. But when

1563
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 3: you learn to trust those, eventually they start to come

1564
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 3: through for you more. You know, And those feelings you have,

1565
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 3: those gut feelings you have, those are pulled from old

1566
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 3: experiences that are telling you like push in a little more,

1567
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 3: you know, or pull back a little bit more, or

1568
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 3: you can you know, you can, you can do this.

1569
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I need to go in there.

1570
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 3: I'm scared going there. I don't want to bump them,

1571
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 3: but I feel like I should. You know, those are

1572
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 3: those intuitions that you're getting are those are your instincts

1573
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 3: trying to tell you to do something, and they're not

1574
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,480
Speaker 3: always right, but the more you trust them, they automatically

1575
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 3: subconsciously recalculate over time. And you know, like I said,

1576
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 3: they were non existent when I started I started to

1577
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 3: develop them once. You know, once in a while they

1578
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 3: were right, and most of the time they were wrong,

1579
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, in the next stage and then the next stage,

1580
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: it's like I started, and are you know, trusting them

1581
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 3: a little more, and you know, sometimes they're right, sometimes

1582
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 3: they're wrong. And now whenever I get in a situation

1583
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 3: like that where I'm I'm at a crossroads, I just

1584
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 3: I just follow that gut feeling, you know, and a

1585
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 3: lot of times I'll just my whole hunt will just

1586
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 3: go off feelings and reacting to what's in front of

1587
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 3: me or you know, relying on those instincts to kick

1588
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: in to kind of guide me. And they're still wrong

1589
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 3: all the time, but they're all right. They're right enough

1590
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 3: to put me in front of big animals consistently. And

1591
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 3: I love that. I love being that type of feel hunter,

1592
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 3: that that feels you know, these these these uh, these

1593
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,839
Speaker 3: instincts kick in. I think I've heard a couple hunters

1594
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 3: talk about this, and it's not talked about very much.

1595
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 3: One of them is Jared Scheffler. We we we talked

1596
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 3: on the phone. We geek out about this because him

1597
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 3: and I are we have that same mindset in a way,

1598
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like in between, like sort of where

1599
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 3: you're at and where he is. But I can very

1600
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 3: much tap into that, especially when I go out of state.

1601
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 3: Like sometimes I will go out of state and I

1602
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 3: will purposely go out there in the spring, and I

1603
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,759
Speaker 3: will scout this piece and this piece and this piece,

1604
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 3: and now I narrow it down to these two pieces,

1605
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,839
Speaker 3: and I got these three or four spots on this property,

1606
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 3: and I'm ready to go for the run. Sometimes I

1607
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 3: don't even want to do that. I want to show

1608
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 3: up with no information because then I'm able to tap

1609
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 3: into that, you know, I'm able to tap into that

1610
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 3: instinct and go into that blind and try to come

1611
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 3: out with an animal, you know, in a span of

1612
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 3: you know, a few days or or week or whatever

1613
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 3: it is. So I purposely give myself opportunities to build

1614
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 3: that into to work on that, and to tap into that.

1615
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 3: But information is good too, Like that has led to

1616
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 3: a lot of animals, you know, Tarok Cama data, I

1617
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 3: glass him, I see what he's doing. I'm moving in

1618
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 3: like that. You're you're you're going out and you're gathering

1619
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 3: that intel and then you're moving in right at the

1620
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 3: right moment. A lot of my dear come from that too,

1621
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 3: So I think it's easy to get really frozen or

1622
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 3: caught up the second guessing things. But I always tell

1623
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 3: hunters like err on the side of aggressive aggression. Aggressive

1624
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 3: decisions have paid off for me much more than laying

1625
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 3: back and being passive. Sometimes that's the move. You know.

1626
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 3: You and I have shared a lot of stories where

1627
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 3: I've figured out, you know, or I determined the move

1628
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 3: is to actually just plant myself here, be patient and

1629
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 3: wait for that buck to come by. And I was

1630
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 3: able to do that successfully. So sometimes that is the mood,

1631
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 3: but the move. But when you are aggressive, like when

1632
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 3: you're coming up, I always say take chances, because when

1633
01:33:54,800 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 3: you take chances, you are you're you're you're kind of

1634
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 3: forcing these situations a little bit. But then you're starting

1635
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 3: to figure out what works and what doesn't work. You're

1636
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 3: you're getting into the action, and yes, you blew it,

1637
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 3: but now next time, you know, maybe you don't go

1638
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 3: in quite as far or make maybe you make a different, different,

1639
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 3: different move in that similar situation. So you're you're calculating

1640
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 3: those instincts through experience, where if you're the guy that's

1641
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 3: so fearful that's so scared to bump his back and

1642
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 3: he's always sitting way back, like a lot of times

1643
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 3: he's not even observing that or he's not even getting

1644
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 3: those encounters. So having that more aggressive approach is more

1645
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 3: of a fast track in my opinion, to become a

1646
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 3: better ball hunter. It doesn't mean be reckless, but it

1647
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 3: means go for it, man, go for it, get in there,

1648
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 3: try to get as close as you can. Go for that.

1649
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 3: If you feel like it's right, do it. Don't always

1650
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 3: just sit back. Sometimes the play is sit back, observe.

1651
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 3: I love to do that, but I'm also aggressive when

1652
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,719
Speaker 3: I think that's the and I've always been a pretty

1653
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 3: aggressive hunter, and I blew things a lot. I screwed

1654
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 3: up a lot by being aggressive. But like I said,

1655
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 3: now I've learned to tame that back when I need

1656
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 3: to tame it back, and I've learned to hit the

1657
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 3: gas when I need to hit the gas, and it's

1658
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 3: made me pretty efficient. So I rely on those instincts.

1659
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 3: I know it kind of sounds like hocus pocusy, but

1660
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 3: they're there. They are there. You just have to you

1661
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 3: just have to listen to them and trust them. And

1662
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 3: that's the thing trust them. They're gonna be wrong more

1663
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 3: than they're going to be right. When you're starting off

1664
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 3: over time, you're gonna notice like, damn, I made the

1665
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 3: right move. You know, Like you get these feelings and

1666
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you start they start panning out

1667
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 3: for you, and then you know, next thing, you know,

1668
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 3: it's twenty five thirty years down the road, and like

1669
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 3: you're able to operate on those a lot, especially like

1670
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 3: when you get thrown into you know, you on these

1671
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: out of state trips, you've never been there before, you're

1672
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 3: in new country. It's like that's what you're dealing with.

1673
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 3: You know. I don't like using trail cameras out of

1674
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 3: state because I like to just go in and figure

1675
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 3: it out and use those instincts to get me on deer,

1676
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 3: and you know, it can really be an effective way

1677
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 3: to hunt. So I always try to encourage guys to

1678
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,759
Speaker 3: tap into that and really kind of trust those feelings

1679
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 3: when you get them.

1680
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to tie it all together. You know that

1681
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 2: that instinctual voice, as you said, it comes from experience. Right.

1682
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 2: The more time you have out there doing these things,

1683
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 2: trying these things, the stronger those instincts become. The stronger

1684
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 2: that instinctual voice becomes. But the way to speed that

1685
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 2: up is to do the thing you said, which is

1686
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 2: to air towards aggressiveness. Like the only way to build

1687
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 2: that experience that builds your instincts is to be aggressive,

1688
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 2: put yourself in the mix enough to make mistakes, to

1689
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: learn the lessons, to see the thing to be in

1690
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: the game, And that is like the way to speed

1691
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 2: up that learning process. Probably nothing has made a bigger

1692
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 2: difference for me in the last five years than is

1693
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: that very thing. Just beginning to push the envelope. Get

1694
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 2: more aggressive, try the crazy thing, try the new thing,

1695
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: do the thing that Man, it's going to be a

1696
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 2: home run or it's going to be you know, striking out,

1697
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 2: but you're never going to know unless you try it.

1698
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 2: And like you said, plenty of times it doesn't work,

1699
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 2: but you learn something. And then one out of ten

1700
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 2: times it does work and you hit the home run.

1701
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 2: But the nine other times you're learning a great lesson

1702
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 2: that maybe would not have been possible if you hung

1703
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 2: way out in the edge and never tried anything.

1704
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 3: So exactly, huge, huge, yeah, that huge, ben So you know,

1705
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 3: I'm just like you. I have a ton of friends

1706
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: like that, are you know, real serious about hunting? And

1707
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 3: because I have that that more aggressive approach I have,

1708
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 3: I have way more encounters each season than you know,

1709
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 3: all my friends. You know, it's because i have more

1710
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 3: of that fearless mindset that I'm willing to go in

1711
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 3: and make the mistake. I'm willing to go in and

1712
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 3: potentially blow it up. And that's why I have more

1713
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 3: successes because I'm I'm putting myself in those situations more

1714
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 3: and I'm willing to go in there more. Now with

1715
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 3: that said, I make more mistakes than all of them too.

1716
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 3: I screw up more than all of them. Like, well,

1717
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 3: you know, we'll get on our texting thread. I have

1718
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: a couple of different groups of guys that I talk to,

1719
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 3: like I am screwing up more, I'm blowing more dear out,

1720
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 3: but I'm also having more encounters. I'm also in the

1721
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 3: game constantly, So it's it's a it is. But like

1722
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 3: you said, the more you put yourself in there, you

1723
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 3: also get better in that situation. Like how do you

1724
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 3: how do you get good on the ground, like sneaking

1725
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 3: into a Bucks betting area and you know, and staying

1726
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 3: undetected and maybe getting an arrow in them. Well, you

1727
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 3: don't get good at it by never doing it. You

1728
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 3: get gooding at it, get good at it and have

1729
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 3: confidence in it by trying it and failing, trying it

1730
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 3: and failing, trying at it again and almost getting him,

1731
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 3: trying it again and getting him. You know, it takes

1732
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 3: that mindset that I'm willing to burn a few bridges

1733
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 3: to gain a skill, to gain a confidence, to get

1734
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 3: more encounters down the road, and that does. It comes

1735
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,879
Speaker 3: with time, you know. And I do have that confidence

1736
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 3: where if I screw one up, I know I can

1737
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 3: probably get on another one. And to be honest with

1738
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 3: you too, Mark, it's like I've killed a lot of deer,

1739
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 3: like I've killed you know, I'm satisfied with my hunting career.

1740
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 3: I've killed a lot of deer, and yes, I want

1741
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 3: to kill more deer. I want to have more experiences.

1742
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 3: But like if I if I had a season where

1743
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,639
Speaker 3: I didn't kill anything, yeah I would, you know, I'd

1744
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:08,520
Speaker 3: be probably hard on myself or whatever. But like I

1745
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: I've I've had a long road of success and experiences.

1746
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm very satisfied and I want to continue that and

1747
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 3: I want to continue to build and if I screw up,

1748
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 3: and I screw up on a big deer. I don't

1749
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 3: care if it's if any of it, I screw up

1750
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 3: on the biggest dear of my life. Like, I'm going

1751
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 3: to be fine. You know, I've I've had a lot

1752
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 3: of experience, I've I've done well, and that's not everybody's

1753
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 3: situation yet, you know, So I understand why some guys

1754
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 3: are a little more cautious, a little more fearful. But

1755
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 3: I think it does pay off just to kind of

1756
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 3: have that more go for an attitude. But but realize

1757
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 3: it's not reckless. Aggressiveness and reckless are not the same thing,

1758
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, don't be reckless. Still use your brain, Still

1759
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 3: use your smart your you're you know, be smart. Try

1760
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 3: to make good decisions, but maybe push the envelope a

1761
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 3: little more, because when you're pushing the limits, then you

1762
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 3: start to you learn what the limits are, and when

1763
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 3: you don't push the limits, you don't know what the

1764
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 3: limits are. You might have, you know, someone listening to this,

1765
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 3: you might have way more skill potential than me or

1766
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 3: Jesse or Jared Scheffler or Mark or whoever. You might

1767
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 3: have that inside you, but you won't know that unless

1768
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 3: you you push those limits. You have to test yourself.

1769
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 3: You have to try to do things that maybe haven't

1770
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 3: been done or maybe don't seem like they can be done.

1771
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 3: I've done things, pulled things off that I'm like, how

1772
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 3: did that happen? You know? But the thing is, I

1773
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 3: just put myself there in that situation, and you know,

1774
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 3: made some good decisions that felt like I should make

1775
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 3: them in that moment, and it pays off. So I

1776
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 3: don't know, I guess that would be you know, that

1777
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 3: would be my advice.

1778
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 2: Really really good stuff. I want to end with some

1779
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 2: rapid fire questions, so you get like like a line

1780
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 2: or two to answer every one of these thirty seconds

1781
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 2: or less. All right, so just like first thought, real

1782
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 2: quick answer, and we're going to move through a bunch

1783
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 2: of these and then tie tie a bow on this thing.

1784
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 2: So first, this one's a hard pivot from some of

1785
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: the other things we've been talking about, but I think

1786
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 2: it poses an interesting counterpoint to a lot of what

1787
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: we talked about because I think a lot of folks,

1788
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 2: especially newer folks, think that they're deer hunting woes or

1789
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 2: they're deer hunting dreams can be you know, found with

1790
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 2: like a silver bullet. Right, if I just buy this thing,

1791
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 2: it'll make all the difference. If I just have the

1792
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 2: very best of this, that and the other thing, I'll

1793
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 2: be able to kill a big deer like Andy. And

1794
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 2: usually that's not the case. But gear is important. You

1795
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 2: talked about the fact that you obsess over your gear

1796
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 2: and tweaking things and making sure you get the right

1797
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 2: setup and whatnot. So two geary questions here. One, what

1798
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 2: purchase of one hundred dollars or less? So, what very

1799
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 2: inexpensive purchase have you made that actually does make a

1800
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: big difference for you or has been very positively impactful.

1801
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 2: So what's one thing under one hundred dollars that actually

1802
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 2: was Like, man, that little thing made a big difference.

1803
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 3: For me personally, and this would probably help a lot

1804
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 3: of people out there, or would be like a Hinge release.

1805
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 3: You can get a used Hinge release that will teach

1806
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 3: you, you know, a good way to execute the shot, that

1807
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 3: will help you maybe beat some bad habits if you

1808
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 3: have them that's made you know. You could say a

1809
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 3: Hinge release or maybe a Resistance release you used to

1810
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 3: use one. I think those, you know, some of those

1811
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 3: can get pretty expensive. That's why I said a Hinge release,

1812
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 3: because you can get one of those for under a

1813
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 3: hundred bucks, especially like one that's a few years old.

1814
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 3: I got a couple over there I got for like

1815
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 3: eighty bucks. So yeah, that that would be that had

1816
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 3: has made a big impact for me and just being

1817
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 3: able to execute a good shot, not rush the shot,

1818
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 3: and it has translated into much better hunting success for me.

1819
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 3: And that moment of truth, uh, getting away from that

1820
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 3: cheap index figure where I was punching the trigger. So

1821
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 3: that's the that's the thing that comes to mind. I mean,

1822
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 3: under one hundred bucks, it's hard. You know, there's certain

1823
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 3: things that I think are really key, like uh, you know,

1824
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 3: binoculars and stuff, but that would be tough to get

1825
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 3: that under a hundred bucks.

1826
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 2: So well, okay, So then that leads us to the

1827
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 2: next question, which would again moving along here, if you

1828
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 2: had to give up all of your fancy high end

1829
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 2: gear like I know you've got You've got a great bow,

1830
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 2: great buyos, great clothing, you know, the great saddle platform

1831
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 2: like all that stuff. I know, you've got a lot

1832
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 2: of things that you put a lot of value in

1833
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 2: and that you've invested in. If you had to give

1834
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 2: it all up and go back to beginner like entry

1835
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 2: level Walmart everything, Walmart clothes, Walmart buyos, Walmart release, Walmart bow,

1836
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 2: everything except for one category. You could keep your high end,

1837
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 2: top tier one thing, so you could. You can keep

1838
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 2: your high end bow, you can keep your high end closed,

1839
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 2: you keep your high end optus. Whatever. What's the one

1840
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 2: thing or the one category that you would choose in

1841
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 2: which you really did still want to keep that top tier,

1842
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 2: big investment.

1843
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 3: I certainly would not want to be hunting with a

1844
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 3: Walmart bow that's for damn sure, or Walmart arrows. I

1845
01:45:52,479 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 3: kind of gravitate towards the weapon, because you know that's

1846
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 3: the thing we're using to actually put the projectile through

1847
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 3: the animal. I can. I could still kill deer off

1848
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 3: the ground. I could still kill deer with a cheap

1849
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:14,480
Speaker 3: tree stand. I could still kill deer with cheap binoculars,

1850
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 3: a cheap release. But some of those cheaper bows and

1851
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 3: arrows they're just really poor quality. I think then you

1852
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 3: kind of getting into more of like a The way

1853
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 3: I think about it is more of like an ethical thing.

1854
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 3: You know, I would want the weapon, the weapon I have,

1855
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 3: I would want that to be. It doesn't need to

1856
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 3: be top of the line, but I wouldn't want Walmart level.

1857
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 3: I would want that to be probably my upgraded piece

1858
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 3: of equipment, just because that is the that's the thing

1859
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 3: that's going to be actually attempting to kill the animal,

1860
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,600
Speaker 3: and I would want that to be as good a

1861
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 3: quality as I could get it.

1862
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 2: All Right, last three, real quick here, what's the most

1863
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 2: common trait, mindset or habit that you see across all

1864
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 2: of the best deer hunters. So one most consistent thing

1865
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 2: across the best of the best deer hunters. You know,

1866
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 2: what would you say that.

1867
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 3: Is most of the the most of the successful hunters

1868
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:23,560
Speaker 3: I see, It's it's a it's a year long process.

1869
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 3: It's not like hunting season. The guys that are really

1870
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 3: getting it done, they have almost year round thought process

1871
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 3: or focus that revolves a lot around hunting. They seem

1872
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 3: to be real detail oriented, whether it's like whether it's

1873
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,720
Speaker 3: gear or or scouting or trail camera work or habitat

1874
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,879
Speaker 3: work or you know, covering new ground. It's it everyone

1875
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,839
Speaker 3: that I know that's really good. They're doing something almost

1876
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 3: year round. They're archery. It's not just a pick up

1877
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 3: your bow, right before the season. Okay, now I'm gonna

1878
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 3: start thinking about deer. Oh you know where am I

1879
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 3: gonna hunt this year? It's it's it's as soon as

1880
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 3: the season ends, they're planning for the next one and

1881
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 3: in that next book, and uh, that's that's I would.

1882
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 2: Say that, Yeah, all right. What is one commonly held

1883
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,799
Speaker 2: piece of hunting dogma. It's like a commonly held belief

1884
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 2: within the deer hunting world that most everyone thinks it's

1885
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 2: true that you believe is false.

1886
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 3: Two come to mind. The one one is I I

1887
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 3: don't think you can one hundred percent beat of deer's nose.

1888
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say you can't. I just don't believe

1889
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 3: you can. I've I don't think that that is a

1890
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 3: is a real thing that can be achieved through some

1891
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 3: sort of piece of equipment or a spray or a

1892
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 3: soap or anything like that. That's not to say playing

1893
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 3: in the wind or getting higher. You know, both things

1894
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 3: obviously can help and can do that. And then one

1895
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 3: I know, yes for one, but one other thing is

1896
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 3: like when you spook your buck, you think you know

1897
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 3: that's your last chance or he's gonna leave. I've come

1898
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 3: to find out that a lot of times they don't.

1899
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 3: They don't they'll come right back or they'll be very

1900
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 3: close by. And I've proved that to myself a lot

1901
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 3: just in the last five years. You know, last year

1902
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 3: or two years ago, I shot one in the shoulder

1903
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 3: with my bow on November seventh from the ground, and

1904
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 3: then I ended up shooting him with my bow the

1905
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 3: last day gun season December twelfth, not far from that

1906
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:47,640
Speaker 3: same area. And then the buck this past year that

1907
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 3: I missed over the decoy and ended up getting a

1908
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 3: crack at him later, you know, about a week later.

1909
01:49:55,120 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 2: So all right, last question, if you were forced to

1910
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 2: distill your single most important piece of deer hunting advice

1911
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 2: or like the most important concept or philosophy that defines

1912
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 2: how you killed deer, if you had to put that

1913
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 2: on a billboard on the side of the highway, like

1914
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 2: next to Cabela's or Bass Pro shops or Shields wherever,

1915
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 2: where everyone's going to be driving by and seeing this

1916
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 2: message from Andy May, what would be that most important

1917
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: message be that you want to put there on the

1918
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 2: billboard for every deer hunter to see as they go

1919
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 2: drive into that store to get their gear, to buy

1920
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 2: their license, whatever, it.

1921
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 3: Is something along the lines of, like, hunting is supposed

1922
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 3: to be fun, Like, don't compare yourself, you know, don't

1923
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 3: compare yourself to other guys because not all of us

1924
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 3: are hunting on the same playing field, and it's easy

1925
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 3: to do these days. But something along those lines to

1926
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,719
Speaker 3: remind the younger guys. I think about the younger guys

1927
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 3: a lot, the guys coming up that are seeing you know,

1928
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 3: guys like me or you know Lee, Lee Ellis or

1929
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 3: Mark Drury or and like it's like it almost feels

1930
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 3: like you have to do something at that level to

1931
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 3: be a good hunter, and it's just simply not true.

1932
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 3: We're just all in different scenarios. So hunt your own hunt,

1933
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 3: remember that it's supposed to be fun. If you want

1934
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 3: to try to be the best hunter you can be,

1935
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,799
Speaker 3: learn from your mistakes, have that mindset of constantly improving.

1936
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 3: If you just want to go out and have fun,

1937
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 3: shoot deer with your family, go do that. Some of

1938
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 3: the happiest people I know and hunting are guys that

1939
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 3: do not care about big bucks and they go with

1940
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 3: their their dad and their brother up to hunting camp

1941
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 3: and they shoot the crap out a little little deer

1942
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 3: and they are the happiest guys I'll tell you. So

1943
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 3: that'd be a pretty big billboard to write all that,

1944
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,679
Speaker 3: but you get the gist of it.

1945
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,600
Speaker 2: It's a really, really, really good message though, So I

1946
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 2: will grant you the large billboard so that one can

1947
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 2: get out there for everyone, and I will thank you

1948
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 2: as as always Andy. Lots of a lot of wise words,

1949
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 2: a lot of great reminders, great insight, and we're all

1950
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 2: gonna be better because of it. So thank you Andy.

1951
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 3: Awesome, Yeah, thank you man. That was fun.

1952
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 2: All right. That is a wrap. Thanks for being here.

1953
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 2: Appreciate you tuning in. Hope you've enjoyed this series as

1954
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:27,799
Speaker 2: much as I have, and until next time, stay wired

1955
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 2: to Honey.