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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there and welcome back to the Book of Joe

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Speaker 1: podcast with me, Tom Berducci and of course Joe Madden.

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Speaker 1: Playoff Baseball is here, Joe, you get something to kind

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Speaker 1: of go through your bones and your blood to tell

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Speaker 1: you that it's a little bit different now watching baseball.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Sosian I used to laugh about it behind the cage

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Speaker 3: during batting practice into September getting October, and at one

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Speaker 3: point I said, boy, it's football where I could smell football.

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Speaker 3: Whether he says no, no, no, it's it's postseason, whether

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Speaker 3: it's playoff weather, and it is. You know, when you

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Speaker 3: get a taste of that as a professional baseball player,

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Speaker 3: as a major league guy, man, you can't get enough

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Speaker 3: of it. Everybody talks about winning the World Series, and

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Speaker 3: I agree everybody wants to, but getting to the playoff

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Speaker 3: is very special on an annual basis, and you can

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Speaker 3: never take that for granted. So to get to the

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Speaker 3: dance was always the most important thing. Of course, you

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Speaker 3: wanted to win the ultimate price. However, just getting there

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Speaker 3: and participating right now this time of the year is different.

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Speaker 3: Energy is different. I always talked about September brings its

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Speaker 3: own energy. Everybody was worried about being fatigued or tired,

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Speaker 3: but if you're in a run, September provides its own energy,

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Speaker 3: and of course that definitely October does.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's exciting time of the year. It's the

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Speaker 2: best time of the.

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Speaker 3: Year to be a Major League Baseball player, but you

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Speaker 1: We will break down the four Wildcard series, and we've

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Speaker 1: got some really good matchups and it's two of the

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Speaker 1: best days of the year because days one and two

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Speaker 1: of the Wildcard Series you've got nine to ten hours

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Speaker 1: of playoff baseball straight on through. It's awesome. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we must start with the passing of a baseball legend.

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Speaker 1: And I know that word gets thrown around a lot,

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Speaker 1: but Pete Rose was a true baseball legend, and Joe

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Speaker 1: Pete Rose is one of those guys. And I knew

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Speaker 1: Pete for almost forty years, if not more. Where of course,

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Speaker 1: he's the all time hit king two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: six hits, but he also has transcended the game and

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Speaker 1: is a near mythological figure in American culture. And I

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Speaker 1: think about the short list of baseball outsized personalities and

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Speaker 1: characters along the lines of a babe ruth, a satchel page,

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Speaker 1: a shoeless Joe Jackson. Pete Rose is in that group.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in the eighties and the nineties, you had

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Speaker 1: like a Christmas tree for hours. He was polarizing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was one of the great ambassadors of the game,

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Speaker 1: and yet he's shamed the game by violating one of

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Speaker 1: its most sacred rules, Rule twenty one. Anybody who's got

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Speaker 1: an obligation to particip peyton the game is barred from

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Speaker 1: placing any bet on that game, whether for or against

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Speaker 1: the team that you are employed by. It took him

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Speaker 1: about seventeen years to even admit that that's in fact

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Speaker 1: what he did when the evidence was incontrovertible. Give me, Joe,

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Speaker 1: your take when you heard about the passing of Pete

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Speaker 1: Rose and some of the first things that came to mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just the first thought, you know, after

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Speaker 3: the shock of hearing it, is that. And he never

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Speaker 3: I mean, still, this might be off the track a

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Speaker 3: with all the different associates, all this stuff we're betting

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Speaker 2: I did, I did. I of course he did.

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Speaker 3: Whatever he did was wrong, absolutely wrong, one hundred percent wrong.

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Speaker 3: But I think we've we've kind of relaxed our our

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Speaker 3: He definitely deserves to be there. And again, I guess

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Speaker 3: in the the evidence he was guilty. Okay, I think

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Speaker 2: I do so. Anyway, I that was the first thought

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Speaker 3: The next thing is, yeah, the way he played the game,

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Speaker 3: the you know, the collision with Fosse, all that stuff

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Speaker 2: No longer is played that way. It's not permitted to

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Speaker 3: We're worried about guys getting hurt, and you know the

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Speaker 2: So I never I've always had a hard time with all.

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Speaker 3: That when you when you seek to legislate against aggressiveness,

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Speaker 3: because he was. He was aggressive and four thousand whatever

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Speaker 3: hits are part of his aggressive nature and how he

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Speaker 2: Everything he did was unique to him, and it was great.

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Speaker 3: And any coach alive would tell you that you want

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Speaker 3: and he did so. And the last point, I mean,

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Speaker 3: realize it was going to be there. Say Joe, what's up,

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Speaker 3: hi Pete. He says that, By the way, talk to me.

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Speaker 3: He says, I never understood why he hit the picture eighth.

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Speaker 3: Could you get into that a little bit? More deeply.

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Speaker 3: That was his last the last conversation I had with

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Speaker 3: Pete a couple of years ago in Chicago. So, like

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Speaker 3: greer or disagree with what I just said. I believe

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Speaker 3: what I've thought about it a lot, and I firmly

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Speaker 2: I think he's most closely lined to in a way

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Speaker 3: That's you know, that's my comp for him for the

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Speaker 3: But that was also like a polarizing, legendary figure.

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Speaker 2: And that's who he is. That's who he is. It's

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Speaker 3: I really do wish he had been able to achieve

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Family was alive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about it, Joe. I mean, he grew

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Speaker 1: And that's what he was about. I think Pete Rose

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Speaker 1: his gambling habit. And I'll disagree with you slightly here

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Speaker 1: because yes, our norms have certainly changed in this culture.

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Speaker 1: What was once forbidden is now encouraged when it comes

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Speaker 1: that Rule twenty one. And you know that when you

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Speaker 1: You can argue the rule is too stringent, but it's

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Speaker 1: And that's where he couldn't stop himself.

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Speaker 3: I'm driving down listening to MLB, and there's all of

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Speaker 2: Before the you know, the end of the day, particularly game.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that stuff. I really don't.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's really taking us down a bad

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I just don't like it. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think it smells a little bit. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: disputing number real twenty one. That's not my point. My

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that. I never will. You know, you

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Speaker 3: Your money, just frivously throw it away by becoming easily addicted.

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Speaker 2: We're encouraging addiction there too. I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's the one part of what we're doing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that, Joe, And I mentioned

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Speaker 1: I knew Pete fairly well and worked with him at

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Speaker 1: But I can tell you, Joe, one of the favorite

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Speaker 1: stories that I've written at Sports Illustrated was nine years

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Speaker 1: You know, Pete totally unplugged captive audience for basically four

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Speaker 1: it was Pete Rose revealing himself. And obviously he's an

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Speaker 1: Pete Rose is a uniquely American institution, not unlike Mount

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Speaker 1: Rushmore with a grand canyon, but more like Coney Island, Branson, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: Here's the outline. Make of it what you will. Rose

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Speaker 1: signed out of a high school with his hometown team,

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Speaker 1: even more than the prolific results, an endearing quality in

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Speaker 1: by the bootstraps. The American dream and spikes, but hucksterism, roguishness, commercialism,

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Speaker 1: And if we're being honest, that's America too. Actually, nobody

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Speaker 3: He made the walk entertaining right he wanted to see.

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Speaker 1: as the media likes to make a big deal out

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Speaker 1: of the travel with the schedule, to me, the greater

434
00:21:59,638 --> 00:22:03,078
Speaker 1: the challenge, the higher the reward, that getting through something

435
00:22:03,198 --> 00:22:04,678
Speaker 1: like that can really palat team.

436
00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:07,078
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's so much energy involved that that wasn't even

437
00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:09,718
Speaker 3: a concern the travel, where you're going, with time you

438
00:22:09,718 --> 00:22:11,638
Speaker 3: got in at night, what time you go to the ballpark.

439
00:22:11,758 --> 00:22:14,278
Speaker 2: Nothing. I mean that was at twenty thirteen. I didn't

440
00:22:14,318 --> 00:22:15,078
Speaker 2: realize the year.

441
00:22:15,118 --> 00:22:17,358
Speaker 3: But first of all, we had to win on Sunday

442
00:22:17,398 --> 00:22:19,798
Speaker 3: in Toronto and we're playing the Blue Jays in Toronto.

443
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,798
Speaker 3: We had to win that game in order to possibly

444
00:22:21,798 --> 00:22:24,758
Speaker 3: get into that playoff game with Texas, and in that game,

445
00:22:25,558 --> 00:22:27,558
Speaker 3: I got kicked out of that game we were playing,

446
00:22:27,558 --> 00:22:31,518
Speaker 3: and it's seventh inning, great thinning, whatever, and Adam Lynd's

447
00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:34,678
Speaker 3: coming up, and I bringing in Joel Peralta, who's an

448
00:22:34,718 --> 00:22:39,198
Speaker 3: absolute flyball pitcher, strikeout flyball pitcher. Linda a good left

449
00:22:39,198 --> 00:22:42,278
Speaker 3: tended hitter, but I like Parlta on lefties. So Joel

450
00:22:42,318 --> 00:22:45,038
Speaker 3: comes in and I we're having a hard time with

451
00:22:45,078 --> 00:22:47,238
Speaker 3: the home played umpire. So I get in there and

452
00:22:47,278 --> 00:22:48,838
Speaker 3: I get to the mountain. I said, okay, boys, I'm

453
00:22:48,838 --> 00:22:50,598
Speaker 3: going to watch the rest of this game from inside.

454
00:22:51,198 --> 00:22:53,478
Speaker 3: And Joel says, not a sick but don't do that, Socio,

455
00:22:53,558 --> 00:22:55,318
Speaker 3: don't do that. I said, no, it's about time I

456
00:22:55,318 --> 00:22:58,078
Speaker 3: got to do something about this. I can't stand it anymore.

457
00:22:58,158 --> 00:23:00,958
Speaker 3: So I stand there and I yet ejected by the

458
00:23:01,038 --> 00:23:03,078
Speaker 3: umpire balls and strikes at the mount.

459
00:23:03,118 --> 00:23:04,318
Speaker 2: I waited from the come out to the mount.

460
00:23:04,358 --> 00:23:06,398
Speaker 3: I go inside, had a nice glass of wine, and

461
00:23:06,438 --> 00:23:07,318
Speaker 3: I watched the rest of the game.

462
00:23:07,358 --> 00:23:09,038
Speaker 2: But the irony of the whole thing is that.

463
00:23:09,078 --> 00:23:12,918
Speaker 3: Peralta flyball pitcher, strikeout pitcher, I get in. No sooner

464
00:23:12,918 --> 00:23:14,398
Speaker 3: do I get in or start watching the game.

465
00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:15,598
Speaker 2: Chopper over the mound.

466
00:23:15,798 --> 00:23:17,398
Speaker 3: I don't remember who the short stuff was at that

467
00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:19,478
Speaker 3: time comes over steps on second base, so it was

468
00:23:19,478 --> 00:23:21,798
Speaker 3: the first double player out of the inning. And eventually

469
00:23:21,838 --> 00:23:23,318
Speaker 3: we do win the game, which now means we go

470
00:23:23,358 --> 00:23:26,758
Speaker 3: to Texas. Go to Texas. I'm playing the one game playoff.

471
00:23:26,798 --> 00:23:30,038
Speaker 3: That's where I think David Price pitched a great game

472
00:23:30,038 --> 00:23:32,238
Speaker 3: that night where he had really had a difficult time

473
00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:35,078
Speaker 3: before that. So we go to Texas win that game.

474
00:23:35,118 --> 00:23:38,038
Speaker 3: And I also believe that's where Kevin Kiermaier debuted late

475
00:23:38,118 --> 00:23:40,478
Speaker 3: in the game as a late any defensive replacement. He

476
00:23:40,518 --> 00:23:42,158
Speaker 3: had not even played in a major league game, but

477
00:23:42,198 --> 00:23:45,438
Speaker 3: he played his first game in an actual playoff game there.

478
00:23:45,478 --> 00:23:46,798
Speaker 3: So then we get on a plane, we fly to

479
00:23:46,838 --> 00:23:50,638
Speaker 3: Cleveland and we played Cleveland and Cleveland and Alex Cobb

480
00:23:50,678 --> 00:23:54,558
Speaker 3: was magnificent and Delman Young hits a big home run

481
00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:57,798
Speaker 3: on the fourth inning and he was a right handed hitter.

482
00:23:57,838 --> 00:23:59,238
Speaker 3: They had a right handed pitcher, and again I think

483
00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:02,438
Speaker 3: it was Salazar A Kurosco. Always get those two guys confused,

484
00:24:02,438 --> 00:24:03,678
Speaker 3: but it's a reverse splip guy.

485
00:24:04,078 --> 00:24:04,598
Speaker 2: So I had an.

486
00:24:04,558 --> 00:24:06,838
Speaker 3: Argument with the you know, the lineup with the guys

487
00:24:06,878 --> 00:24:09,038
Speaker 3: before that, and I said, no, I want d Y

488
00:24:09,118 --> 00:24:11,678
Speaker 3: in there, because this guy's reverse split and d why

489
00:24:11,758 --> 00:24:12,438
Speaker 3: is going to go deep?

490
00:24:12,438 --> 00:24:15,238
Speaker 2: And he did. So we beat Cleveland and I think

491
00:24:15,278 --> 00:24:16,078
Speaker 2: we had a day off.

492
00:24:15,918 --> 00:24:19,318
Speaker 3: And then we had to play Boston for the in

493
00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:20,518
Speaker 3: the Wildcard Series.

494
00:24:20,838 --> 00:24:23,878
Speaker 2: So this the point. I guess that was hard.

495
00:24:24,198 --> 00:24:27,198
Speaker 3: Yes, you have the energy all this stuff, but what

496
00:24:27,278 --> 00:24:29,518
Speaker 3: happens is by the time you get to Boston, you

497
00:24:29,518 --> 00:24:32,198
Speaker 3: know your your pitching staff's kind of worn down. And yes,

498
00:24:32,278 --> 00:24:34,478
Speaker 3: sometimes the guys can get a little bit warmed because

499
00:24:34,478 --> 00:24:37,798
Speaker 3: that is a definitely a difficult march to go through

500
00:24:37,838 --> 00:24:40,478
Speaker 3: to get to that to the playoffs versus the Red Sox.

501
00:24:40,518 --> 00:24:41,398
Speaker 2: So I think we.

502
00:24:41,358 --> 00:24:43,278
Speaker 3: Got a little bit warned by all that. But as

503
00:24:43,318 --> 00:24:45,598
Speaker 3: we're going through the moment Toronto, Texas and Cleveland boom

504
00:24:45,638 --> 00:24:48,078
Speaker 3: boom boom, and having to win all of them, you

505
00:24:48,118 --> 00:24:48,718
Speaker 3: don't feel it.

506
00:24:48,798 --> 00:24:49,918
Speaker 2: You absolutely do not feel it.

507
00:24:49,958 --> 00:24:52,958
Speaker 3: Last year Texas proved that with their their trek to

508
00:24:52,998 --> 00:24:54,558
Speaker 3: the World Series and how they did that. They're on

509
00:24:54,558 --> 00:24:57,478
Speaker 3: the road forever, so I think that's overplayed. I don't

510
00:24:57,518 --> 00:25:01,238
Speaker 3: think there's necessarily an our game home field advantage in baseball.

511
00:25:01,278 --> 00:25:03,678
Speaker 3: I think it doesn't matter to the visiting team. Were

512
00:25:03,718 --> 00:25:05,878
Speaker 3: so good at blocking out noise. I remember when we

513
00:25:05,958 --> 00:25:10,158
Speaker 3: beat the White Sox in Chicago in two thousand and eight.

514
00:25:10,478 --> 00:25:12,518
Speaker 3: They had to blackout going on. Came out for the

515
00:25:12,558 --> 00:25:15,078
Speaker 3: first game there and there's like lint flying over the

516
00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:18,438
Speaker 3: ballpark from the guys, everybody waving a black towel, And

517
00:25:18,478 --> 00:25:20,278
Speaker 3: you would think that'd be intimidating, but it was kind

518
00:25:20,278 --> 00:25:23,518
Speaker 3: of feeling because you just you're feeling the energy of

519
00:25:23,558 --> 00:25:25,998
Speaker 3: the crowd too. So I don't believe there's a real

520
00:25:26,038 --> 00:25:28,238
Speaker 3: home court advantage in baseball with on the road and

521
00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:32,398
Speaker 3: especially in the playoffs. But yeah, the trek is difficult,

522
00:25:32,518 --> 00:25:37,038
Speaker 3: but your energy is found. It just appears, but you

523
00:25:37,078 --> 00:25:39,398
Speaker 3: can't get worn down. And more than anything, you're pitching

524
00:25:39,398 --> 00:25:41,718
Speaker 3: could get worn down if you have to go through

525
00:25:41,758 --> 00:25:45,238
Speaker 3: something like that to get to the to the DS

526
00:25:45,278 --> 00:25:47,558
Speaker 3: where he had to play Boston, who was very well rested.

527
00:25:48,038 --> 00:25:50,518
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, Joe, about home field advantage.

528
00:25:50,518 --> 00:25:52,998
Speaker 1: It gets so overrated in this game. It's nothing like

529
00:25:53,638 --> 00:25:56,278
Speaker 1: the NBA or the NFL. It does matter if you're

530
00:25:56,318 --> 00:25:58,958
Speaker 1: playing a close game because when you get to the

531
00:25:58,998 --> 00:26:01,998
Speaker 1: bottom of the eighth inning right as the home team,

532
00:26:02,078 --> 00:26:04,158
Speaker 1: you no longer have to defend the lead. You know,

533
00:26:04,198 --> 00:26:08,638
Speaker 1: you take the lead. Actually the ninth inning, that's where

534
00:26:08,638 --> 00:26:10,158
Speaker 1: the advantage is. You get the bat last in a

535
00:26:10,198 --> 00:26:13,278
Speaker 1: close game. But that's about it. And the numbers show that,

536
00:26:13,398 --> 00:26:18,278
Speaker 1: you know, the number is what wins for the home team.

537
00:26:18,398 --> 00:26:21,158
Speaker 1: So all that being said, do you give the Mets

538
00:26:21,158 --> 00:26:24,558
Speaker 1: a chance going up to Milwaukee best out of three?

539
00:26:25,958 --> 00:26:28,958
Speaker 3: There's they're riding a wave right now. I just like Milwaukee.

540
00:26:30,318 --> 00:26:33,798
Speaker 3: Milwaukee are the latter day Rays, not Braves. They're the

541
00:26:33,878 --> 00:26:38,558
Speaker 3: latter day Rays. Maddie Arnolds running them and Murph and

542
00:26:38,598 --> 00:26:40,678
Speaker 3: I go way back also, and they can just see

543
00:26:41,158 --> 00:26:43,518
Speaker 3: how he runs the game. The guy's been, He's had

544
00:26:43,558 --> 00:26:46,318
Speaker 3: a few games under his belt. He knows what he's doing.

545
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:49,478
Speaker 3: And Murph could be rather inspirationally, it could be funny,

546
00:26:49,558 --> 00:26:51,598
Speaker 3: could be caustic, he could be a lot of different things.

547
00:26:51,638 --> 00:26:55,638
Speaker 3: But Murs won. He's won everywhere he's been. So with

548
00:26:55,678 --> 00:26:58,958
Speaker 3: the Mets had to go through yesterday and Diaz, how

549
00:26:58,998 --> 00:27:01,278
Speaker 3: many pitches did he throw in two days just to

550
00:27:01,318 --> 00:27:03,318
Speaker 3: get to the to the point where they did win

551
00:27:03,358 --> 00:27:05,678
Speaker 3: that game. He's going to something like we went through

552
00:27:05,718 --> 00:27:09,038
Speaker 3: with the Cubs when I had to pitch WAYE. Davis

553
00:27:09,358 --> 00:27:13,238
Speaker 3: so much in the in the clinching game in Washington.

554
00:27:13,278 --> 00:27:15,638
Speaker 3: By the time he got to La, we lose a

555
00:27:15,678 --> 00:27:17,278
Speaker 3: big game because he wasn't ready to come back, and

556
00:27:17,318 --> 00:27:19,358
Speaker 3: I had to bring Lackey in the game late, and

557
00:27:19,558 --> 00:27:21,438
Speaker 3: Turner goes deep and all of a sudden everything changes.

558
00:27:21,478 --> 00:27:23,798
Speaker 3: So it's the big impact to me is the pitching staff.

559
00:27:23,918 --> 00:27:25,958
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. That just kind of intimated

560
00:27:25,998 --> 00:27:28,638
Speaker 3: that with the Toronto, Texas Cleveland run. So I think

561
00:27:28,838 --> 00:27:32,918
Speaker 3: Milwaukee combo of their pitching staff arrest a more arrested

562
00:27:32,958 --> 00:27:36,678
Speaker 3: pitching staff, the Mets being kind of like stretched to

563
00:27:36,718 --> 00:27:38,038
Speaker 3: the point where it's very difficult.

564
00:27:38,038 --> 00:27:39,118
Speaker 2: And like I said, I like.

565
00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:42,478
Speaker 3: The way Milwaukee plays the game, and they pitch it

566
00:27:42,478 --> 00:27:44,638
Speaker 3: and they catch it. They're really good at both things.

567
00:27:45,438 --> 00:27:48,598
Speaker 3: They'll hit enough somehow. That's again with the Rays used

568
00:27:48,598 --> 00:27:50,078
Speaker 3: to get like to the point in the middle of

569
00:27:50,118 --> 00:27:52,158
Speaker 3: the season, you're twenty games over five hundred, you say,

570
00:27:52,278 --> 00:27:54,278
Speaker 3: you ask each other, how do we do this? You

571
00:27:54,398 --> 00:27:57,238
Speaker 3: do this every day by being consistent in those real

572
00:27:57,798 --> 00:28:00,958
Speaker 3: important factors. So the Mets are going to show up,

573
00:28:00,998 --> 00:28:02,598
Speaker 3: no question. I'm a big Mets fan. I love the

574
00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:05,638
Speaker 3: way they play. Love Mendoza has done a great job there, too,

575
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,678
Speaker 3: But I just think Milwaukee has an edge based on

576
00:28:08,918 --> 00:28:11,158
Speaker 3: how they play, who they are, how they show up

577
00:28:11,198 --> 00:28:13,078
Speaker 3: every day, and I don't think any of that's going

578
00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:14,878
Speaker 3: to change. And actually I think they're going to get

579
00:28:15,158 --> 00:28:17,478
Speaker 3: all the way to the finals and play the Dodgers.

580
00:28:17,998 --> 00:28:19,838
Speaker 2: I'm skipping ahead, but I think they're going to last

581
00:28:19,838 --> 00:28:20,078
Speaker 2: a bit.

582
00:28:20,558 --> 00:28:22,958
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on Milwaukee. I'll take the rested team,

583
00:28:23,038 --> 00:28:25,398
Speaker 1: rested pitching staff over the hot team with the New

584
00:28:25,478 --> 00:28:28,598
Speaker 1: York Mets. You know, I also think Joe, and I'm

585
00:28:28,638 --> 00:28:30,718
Speaker 1: with you. By the way, the Milwaukee Brewers may be

586
00:28:30,798 --> 00:28:34,078
Speaker 1: my favorite team to watch play baseball. They really are,

587
00:28:34,118 --> 00:28:36,078
Speaker 1: and they do look like a college team under Murph.

588
00:28:36,118 --> 00:28:38,958
Speaker 1: The way they hustle, guys will pitch in any spots

589
00:28:39,038 --> 00:28:41,318
Speaker 1: nobody complains. And the big thing for me is the

590
00:28:41,358 --> 00:28:43,558
Speaker 1: way they run the bases. I mean, they will turn

591
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:45,638
Speaker 1: this series, as they have every game against the Mets

592
00:28:45,638 --> 00:28:48,278
Speaker 1: this year, into a track meet. The Mets just cannot

593
00:28:48,398 --> 00:28:50,838
Speaker 1: defend their speed on the bases. They take advantage of

594
00:28:50,838 --> 00:28:53,398
Speaker 1: the outfield of the Mets by running, taking extra bases

595
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:56,238
Speaker 1: all the time. There's just so much team speed on

596
00:28:56,278 --> 00:28:58,878
Speaker 1: the Brewers. It's a bad matchup. For the Mets, who

597
00:28:58,878 --> 00:29:02,598
Speaker 1: really don't hold the runners well and walk too many guys.

598
00:29:02,838 --> 00:29:05,478
Speaker 1: And I always say this, the postseason games are competed

599
00:29:05,558 --> 00:29:07,358
Speaker 1: ninety feet at a time, even more so in the

600
00:29:07,438 --> 00:29:10,878
Speaker 1: regular season. The Brewers will start racking up some extra bases,

601
00:29:10,918 --> 00:29:12,958
Speaker 1: getting guys to third base with less than two outs,

602
00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:16,478
Speaker 1: getting into scoring position with two outs. So I just

603
00:29:16,518 --> 00:29:19,718
Speaker 1: think their team speed will be a difference in that series.

604
00:29:19,798 --> 00:29:22,078
Speaker 1: So we're on the same page there. Let's talk about

605
00:29:22,078 --> 00:29:24,638
Speaker 1: the other series now in the National League. The Braves

606
00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:26,678
Speaker 1: to get on a plane after they clinched in the

607
00:29:26,678 --> 00:29:29,158
Speaker 1: second game of a doubleheader Monday to go play the

608
00:29:29,158 --> 00:29:32,998
Speaker 1: San Diego Padres in San Diego. It looks like Chris

609
00:29:33,038 --> 00:29:37,238
Speaker 1: Sale with his back spasms, will not pitch in that series.

610
00:29:37,718 --> 00:29:41,158
Speaker 1: Tell me what you've got on Braves at the Padres.

611
00:29:41,598 --> 00:29:44,118
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, you got the rested group who's

612
00:29:44,118 --> 00:29:48,398
Speaker 3: been really, really hot, meaning the Padres. I think Shilty

613
00:29:48,438 --> 00:29:50,918
Speaker 3: has done a great job there also, And again I

614
00:29:50,958 --> 00:29:53,678
Speaker 3: think his fingerprints are all over that his experience as

615
00:29:53,678 --> 00:29:56,598
Speaker 3: a managers really showing up there too. The way they

616
00:29:56,598 --> 00:30:00,078
Speaker 3: play there is as common most as professional as they've

617
00:30:00,118 --> 00:30:02,678
Speaker 3: been with the Ajas group out there and all the

618
00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:04,918
Speaker 3: different folks they brought in over the last couple years

619
00:30:04,918 --> 00:30:08,918
Speaker 3: of different managers, etc. Right now, they just seem to

620
00:30:09,638 --> 00:30:12,358
Speaker 3: they're fulfilling this kind of kind of a destiny in

621
00:30:12,358 --> 00:30:14,958
Speaker 3: a sense, regarding the people they brought in, the kind

622
00:30:14,958 --> 00:30:17,318
Speaker 3: of talent that they have, the superstars that they have.

623
00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:19,558
Speaker 3: They're playing well together, but they're playing a much better

624
00:30:19,598 --> 00:30:22,478
Speaker 3: game of baseball. It's a much more it appears a

625
00:30:22,518 --> 00:30:26,398
Speaker 3: more tighter group with winning being way more important as

626
00:30:26,398 --> 00:30:29,038
Speaker 3: opposed to branding as what I've seen in the past.

627
00:30:29,038 --> 00:30:31,278
Speaker 3: So I think they're coming together. And again I think

628
00:30:31,278 --> 00:30:33,278
Speaker 3: Atlanta is going to suffer the same way the Mets have.

629
00:30:33,478 --> 00:30:36,238
Speaker 3: I mean, that was not an easy day yesterday, losing

630
00:30:36,278 --> 00:30:39,398
Speaker 3: the first game, but I really and I'm not accusing

631
00:30:39,398 --> 00:30:41,598
Speaker 3: the Mets of mailing it in on the second one,

632
00:30:41,678 --> 00:30:45,198
Speaker 3: but the Mets, they just just wanted to get out

633
00:30:45,238 --> 00:30:45,478
Speaker 3: of town.

634
00:30:45,558 --> 00:30:47,278
Speaker 2: They had to get out of town. They wanted to leave.

635
00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:49,078
Speaker 2: We're in it. This game really is.

636
00:30:49,078 --> 00:30:54,118
Speaker 3: Superfluous, truly was, and so the Braves still had to

637
00:30:54,158 --> 00:30:57,118
Speaker 3: really fight in that second game, and of course utilize

638
00:30:57,118 --> 00:31:00,478
Speaker 3: the Pitchanno saled in pitch. But it just tells me

639
00:31:00,518 --> 00:31:02,078
Speaker 3: that something's going on. They're a little bit more than

640
00:31:02,118 --> 00:31:05,638
Speaker 3: they're admitting to actually pitch them in that game, because

641
00:31:05,678 --> 00:31:08,638
Speaker 3: you can't take anything for granted after that. So a

642
00:31:08,718 --> 00:31:11,318
Speaker 3: lot of combination of factors working there. But I like

643
00:31:11,398 --> 00:31:13,238
Speaker 3: the Padres and what they're doing. They've been hot.

644
00:31:13,278 --> 00:31:15,398
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna lighten up. They do.

645
00:31:16,118 --> 00:31:18,918
Speaker 3: They're they're very talented. They're very talented group, and I

646
00:31:18,958 --> 00:31:22,038
Speaker 3: think Atlanta just not the same Atlantic.

647
00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:23,998
Speaker 2: Group this year. They've they've probably been hurt more than

648
00:31:24,038 --> 00:31:27,918
Speaker 2: anybody in a really severe way. So I like the Padres.

649
00:31:28,038 --> 00:31:31,958
Speaker 3: I like the the newfound kind of unity and method

650
00:31:31,958 --> 00:31:34,478
Speaker 3: of play that the Padres have adopted. And I think

651
00:31:34,638 --> 00:31:37,238
Speaker 3: them they're getting close to being what a Milwaukee's like,

652
00:31:37,918 --> 00:31:39,838
Speaker 3: And so I liked I like them a lot in

653
00:31:39,878 --> 00:31:40,758
Speaker 3: this situation too.

654
00:31:41,558 --> 00:31:43,958
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love what you said about the Padres, Joe,

655
00:31:44,038 --> 00:31:45,998
Speaker 1: the way that you put it that you know, winning

656
00:31:46,038 --> 00:31:49,478
Speaker 1: has become more important over branding, and there has been

657
00:31:49,518 --> 00:31:51,998
Speaker 1: a lot of churn on that roster in San Diego,

658
00:31:52,118 --> 00:31:54,678
Speaker 1: but it seemed like this year under Mike's Schultz, they

659
00:31:54,758 --> 00:31:58,678
Speaker 1: finally coalesced and understood what they are who they are

660
00:31:58,758 --> 00:32:03,038
Speaker 1: as a team without any any kind of the kind

661
00:32:03,038 --> 00:32:05,518
Speaker 1: of quiet drama that had been going out in their clubhouse,

662
00:32:05,598 --> 00:32:08,598
Speaker 1: especially last season when they did not live up to expectations.

663
00:32:09,158 --> 00:32:12,838
Speaker 1: So I think they've found their identity, They've found their way.

664
00:32:13,118 --> 00:32:15,638
Speaker 1: It's a very talented team, first of all, with some

665
00:32:15,678 --> 00:32:18,518
Speaker 1: really high end talent. But when I look at baseball

666
00:32:18,518 --> 00:32:20,918
Speaker 1: teams in the postseason, and it is different than the

667
00:32:20,918 --> 00:32:24,918
Speaker 1: regular season. To me, the Padres check every box more

668
00:32:24,958 --> 00:32:28,078
Speaker 1: than any team in the tournament right now. I'm talking

669
00:32:28,118 --> 00:32:30,198
Speaker 1: about starting pitchers who can go out and win a

670
00:32:30,238 --> 00:32:33,438
Speaker 1: game for you. We know bullpen's rule in the postseason,

671
00:32:33,478 --> 00:32:35,558
Speaker 1: but sometimes you need a starting pitcher to go out

672
00:32:35,558 --> 00:32:38,918
Speaker 1: there and shut a team down and win the game himself,

673
00:32:39,078 --> 00:32:41,918
Speaker 1: not just give your team a chance to win. I'm

674
00:32:41,918 --> 00:32:44,318
Speaker 1: talking about it starter goes out there and just deals

675
00:32:44,318 --> 00:32:46,158
Speaker 1: and takes that ball to the seventh or eighth inning.

676
00:32:46,558 --> 00:32:50,838
Speaker 1: They've got that in Dylan Cees, Joe Musgrove, and Michael King.

677
00:32:51,678 --> 00:32:53,358
Speaker 1: I don't even think you Darbush is going to make

678
00:32:53,438 --> 00:32:55,838
Speaker 1: the wild card roster to start out. They're so deep.

679
00:32:56,038 --> 00:32:59,238
Speaker 1: The other thing bullpen. Absolutely. I think I like their

680
00:32:59,238 --> 00:33:01,958
Speaker 1: bullpen as much as anybody's. Mike Schultz is not afraid

681
00:33:01,998 --> 00:33:05,238
Speaker 1: to close the game with different guys. He'll punch Suez

682
00:33:05,278 --> 00:33:07,318
Speaker 1: in there if there's a right handed lane somewhere and

683
00:33:07,358 --> 00:33:11,758
Speaker 1: have the Tanner Scott behind him. It's a really, really

684
00:33:11,958 --> 00:33:15,518
Speaker 1: deep bullpen before the deadline, some of their pieces they

685
00:33:15,598 --> 00:33:18,158
Speaker 1: use in a winner tie situation now moved up to

686
00:33:18,198 --> 00:33:20,238
Speaker 1: pitching the fifth or sixth. That's how deep they are.

687
00:33:20,598 --> 00:33:22,998
Speaker 1: And the last thing I want to check all the

688
00:33:23,038 --> 00:33:25,398
Speaker 1: boxes is an offense that puts the ball in play.

689
00:33:25,718 --> 00:33:27,758
Speaker 1: We've seen it time and time again that teams that

690
00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:30,118
Speaker 1: have a lot of strikeouts in the lineup, like Minnesota

691
00:33:30,598 --> 00:33:33,678
Speaker 1: just do not play well in the postseason because you're

692
00:33:33,718 --> 00:33:36,638
Speaker 1: not seeing the back of rotations of the middle of bullpens.

693
00:33:36,838 --> 00:33:40,078
Speaker 1: You're seeing premier guys who attacked the zone with swing

694
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:42,798
Speaker 1: and miss stuff put the ball in play. Good things happen.

695
00:33:42,918 --> 00:33:46,238
Speaker 1: That's San Diego. So to me, I like the padres

696
00:33:46,318 --> 00:33:47,798
Speaker 1: a lot in that series.

697
00:33:48,118 --> 00:33:50,918
Speaker 2: Yeah, all great points. I totally agree with all of that.

698
00:33:51,718 --> 00:33:52,598
Speaker 2: The starting pitching.

699
00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:56,278
Speaker 3: I hope that there's a renaissance with that resurgence of

700
00:33:56,318 --> 00:34:00,918
Speaker 3: that because it does matter, and if you want good bullpens,

701
00:34:00,198 --> 00:34:02,798
Speaker 3: this is like the first three games, but then you

702
00:34:02,998 --> 00:34:05,478
Speaker 3: have to play another series. In another series and here

703
00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:09,118
Speaker 3: we go. So there's there's that factor to be considered. Also,

704
00:34:09,198 --> 00:34:11,038
Speaker 3: of course, you've got to get to this next level

705
00:34:11,078 --> 00:34:12,798
Speaker 3: and you're not going to just leave a starter out

706
00:34:12,838 --> 00:34:15,638
Speaker 3: there just because if it needs to go to the bullpen,

707
00:34:15,678 --> 00:34:18,438
Speaker 3: you go to the bullpen, no question. But I still

708
00:34:18,558 --> 00:34:20,878
Speaker 3: I love the group that permits starting pitching to be

709
00:34:21,118 --> 00:34:22,558
Speaker 3: the engine that drives the whole thing.

710
00:34:22,638 --> 00:34:23,198
Speaker 2: I love that.

711
00:34:23,358 --> 00:34:27,078
Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of continued success and

712
00:34:27,118 --> 00:34:29,038
Speaker 3: that you just described there as like you always hear

713
00:34:29,078 --> 00:34:31,478
Speaker 3: the different phrases during the course of the season, the

714
00:34:31,518 --> 00:34:33,838
Speaker 3: teams that you know built for the playoffs or they're

715
00:34:34,198 --> 00:34:36,918
Speaker 3: only they're more built for the regular season than the playoffs.

716
00:34:36,918 --> 00:34:39,158
Speaker 3: So different teams are getting accused of different things. But

717
00:34:40,198 --> 00:34:42,478
Speaker 3: your conclusions are good. I think I think that's that's

718
00:34:42,518 --> 00:34:46,358
Speaker 3: all accurate. And again, the unification of the group and

719
00:34:46,398 --> 00:34:48,118
Speaker 3: how they're playing right now, it's gonna make all the

720
00:34:48,158 --> 00:34:50,638
Speaker 3: difference in the world. I think it's it's gonna be

721
00:34:50,678 --> 00:34:52,878
Speaker 3: fascinating to watch this and I like you're just talking.

722
00:34:52,958 --> 00:34:53,718
Speaker 2: We just both agreed.

723
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:55,278
Speaker 3: I guess they've been walking in San Diego are going

724
00:34:55,318 --> 00:34:57,598
Speaker 3: to advance and that's that could be quite a series

725
00:34:58,478 --> 00:34:58,838
Speaker 3: if that.

726
00:34:58,798 --> 00:35:00,838
Speaker 2: Impact does happen. I don't even know how that. No,

727
00:35:00,958 --> 00:35:03,758
Speaker 2: that would not work that way necessarily, but eventually could.

728
00:35:04,718 --> 00:35:07,198
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we'll see if we agree on the American

729
00:35:07,678 --> 00:35:10,078
Speaker 1: League side of the draw, Joe, because we got two

730
00:35:10,158 --> 00:35:13,998
Speaker 1: teams with eighty six wins that look dangerous right now

731
00:35:14,038 --> 00:35:16,918
Speaker 1: on the American League side. We'll dive into that after

732
00:35:16,958 --> 00:35:30,518
Speaker 1: this quick break on the Book of Joe. Welcome back

733
00:35:30,518 --> 00:35:34,318
Speaker 1: to the Book of Joe. Obviously, here Tom Berducci and

734
00:35:34,438 --> 00:35:37,398
Speaker 1: Joe Madden talking about the wild card series coming up

735
00:35:37,438 --> 00:35:41,358
Speaker 1: this week. The American League side has two eighty six

736
00:35:41,438 --> 00:35:44,718
Speaker 1: win teams from the Al Central. Raise your hand of it.

737
00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:47,758
Speaker 1: You had that before the season began, and both actually

738
00:35:48,158 --> 00:35:50,318
Speaker 1: have a chance to get through to the next round.

739
00:35:50,358 --> 00:35:52,478
Speaker 1: First of all, let's start with the Kansas City Royals,

740
00:35:52,958 --> 00:35:57,518
Speaker 1: who begin at the Baltimore Orioles. The Royals, Joe, lost

741
00:35:57,558 --> 00:36:00,238
Speaker 1: one hundred and six games last year. You've been in

742
00:36:00,278 --> 00:36:03,118
Speaker 1: this situation before, turning around a couple of teams from

743
00:36:03,118 --> 00:36:07,958
Speaker 1: one hundred loss seasons to the postseason and took you know,

744
00:36:08,038 --> 00:36:10,718
Speaker 1: the Rays and Eight all the way to the World Series.

745
00:36:11,398 --> 00:36:14,518
Speaker 1: Do the Royals have a chance against the Orioles.

746
00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:17,638
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll tell you what's well. I think both teams

747
00:36:17,758 --> 00:36:20,958
Speaker 3: are finally able to breathe again. I mean, especially Kansas

748
00:36:20,958 --> 00:36:23,958
Speaker 3: City the way this all wrapped up, where they were

749
00:36:23,998 --> 00:36:26,238
Speaker 3: really struggling at the end. Detroit kept beating up on

750
00:36:26,318 --> 00:36:28,558
Speaker 3: him a little bit and they lost some kind of

751
00:36:28,558 --> 00:36:31,958
Speaker 3: a lead there and eventually started coming back. But there

752
00:36:31,958 --> 00:36:35,038
Speaker 3: were it was new found territory for a young group

753
00:36:35,078 --> 00:36:38,078
Speaker 3: right there, including their manager, Maddiekutaro. And I know Matt

754
00:36:38,118 --> 00:36:41,878
Speaker 3: really well. I think he's outstanding. This guy here really

755
00:36:41,918 --> 00:36:45,398
Speaker 3: has a wonderful demeanor to be a manager for many

756
00:36:45,438 --> 00:36:46,918
Speaker 3: years in the big leagues. He's got the brain to

757
00:36:46,958 --> 00:36:49,118
Speaker 3: be that, but he's also got the demeanor to be that.

758
00:36:49,158 --> 00:36:52,358
Speaker 3: He's he's got a slow heartbeat, and I really like

759
00:36:52,438 --> 00:36:54,358
Speaker 3: him a lot. So I think they're all able to

760
00:36:54,398 --> 00:36:56,478
Speaker 3: breathe again. I think they were, like, you know, probably

761
00:36:56,558 --> 00:36:59,158
Speaker 3: pressing a little bit. I've been there with the Angels

762
00:36:59,158 --> 00:37:03,038
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two specifically, and more than any

763
00:37:03,038 --> 00:37:04,518
Speaker 3: group that I've ever been on, that was the group

764
00:37:04,598 --> 00:37:07,638
Speaker 3: that really taught us how to win once we got

765
00:37:07,958 --> 00:37:10,518
Speaker 3: to the playoffs, once we clinched against Texas, and Texas

766
00:37:10,798 --> 00:37:12,878
Speaker 3: began to breathe again, and when you begin to breathe again,

767
00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:15,838
Speaker 3: you start playing again. Sometimes just getting to the dance,

768
00:37:16,038 --> 00:37:18,638
Speaker 3: you're able to relax. I mean, of course there's tension

769
00:37:18,678 --> 00:37:22,198
Speaker 3: in whatever, pressure, whatever, But when you work so hard

770
00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:23,758
Speaker 3: to get there, and you struggle to get there and

771
00:37:23,758 --> 00:37:26,758
Speaker 3: then you do, sometimes that that big exhale occurs and

772
00:37:26,798 --> 00:37:28,758
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, guys start playing like guys are

773
00:37:28,798 --> 00:37:31,718
Speaker 3: capable again that you recognize.

774
00:37:31,758 --> 00:37:33,118
Speaker 2: And same it could be said for Baltimore.

775
00:37:33,158 --> 00:37:36,038
Speaker 3: I mean the fact that they to come so much

776
00:37:36,118 --> 00:37:40,078
Speaker 3: lately and the Yankees spread it out and eventually win

777
00:37:40,118 --> 00:37:40,718
Speaker 3: that division.

778
00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:43,038
Speaker 2: So Baltimore wasn't Baltimore again. They're pitching.

779
00:37:43,878 --> 00:37:46,678
Speaker 3: There's something you know need to be desired there overall,

780
00:37:46,758 --> 00:37:48,878
Speaker 3: but nevertheless, both teams are breathing again. I guess that's

781
00:37:48,878 --> 00:37:51,438
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to get it. So this could be

782
00:37:51,798 --> 00:37:53,558
Speaker 3: a lot tighter than you think. It's going to be

783
00:37:53,558 --> 00:37:56,398
Speaker 3: more interesting. I'm a big Baltimore guy. I love Hider.

784
00:37:56,478 --> 00:37:58,238
Speaker 3: Hider is another one of my guys, a manager with

785
00:37:59,118 --> 00:38:01,918
Speaker 3: Baltimore and Brendon Hyde, and he's also got that same

786
00:38:01,998 --> 00:38:05,078
Speaker 3: kind of John Wayne's stuff going on that Maddy Kataro's

787
00:38:05,078 --> 00:38:07,638
Speaker 3: got so that's kind of interesting, and from that perspective,

788
00:38:07,638 --> 00:38:10,078
Speaker 3: it's kind of difficult. Although Hyder and I did work

789
00:38:10,118 --> 00:38:12,678
Speaker 3: together more than Matt and I did, so they're breathing again,

790
00:38:13,038 --> 00:38:15,158
Speaker 3: and that's the biggest thing. I mean, they're both talented,

791
00:38:15,158 --> 00:38:17,798
Speaker 3: they both got I mean, with Bobby Wit to me,

792
00:38:17,918 --> 00:38:20,958
Speaker 3: is like a more complete version of Roby Yell. And

793
00:38:21,038 --> 00:38:23,638
Speaker 3: Robyn Yett was pretty darn good, but Bobby wit Junior

794
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:25,558
Speaker 3: is like a little bigger, little bit stronger I think

795
00:38:25,958 --> 00:38:29,038
Speaker 3: than rob and Robbin was great, and I'm not denigrating anything,

796
00:38:29,038 --> 00:38:31,158
Speaker 3: but I look at him and I think it's like

797
00:38:31,198 --> 00:38:34,318
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four version of Robin yeu'. That's what

798
00:38:34,398 --> 00:38:36,478
Speaker 3: Bobby Witch Junior is. And then of course you got

799
00:38:36,478 --> 00:38:37,878
Speaker 3: Henderson on the other side. So there's a lot of

800
00:38:37,918 --> 00:38:39,318
Speaker 3: this going on. Both sides are breathing.

801
00:38:39,598 --> 00:38:41,318
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a spectacular series.

802
00:38:41,718 --> 00:38:44,318
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious with Bobby Witt Junior. I love him

803
00:38:44,358 --> 00:38:46,678
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, he's the fastest guy into baseball

804
00:38:46,678 --> 00:38:48,758
Speaker 1: and he also hits thirty plus home runs and plays

805
00:38:48,958 --> 00:38:51,718
Speaker 1: a premier shortstop. I mean, it's just an incredible package

806
00:38:51,718 --> 00:38:54,638
Speaker 1: of skills he has. But in this situation, if I'm Baltimore,

807
00:38:54,678 --> 00:38:57,758
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm letting Bobby wit Junior beat me.

808
00:38:57,878 --> 00:39:00,358
Speaker 1: It's really not a deep lineup, but he's the one

809
00:39:00,438 --> 00:39:04,198
Speaker 1: you really really circle, and it'll be curious to see

810
00:39:04,238 --> 00:39:07,678
Speaker 1: how he, in his first postseason situation, handles that and

811
00:39:07,838 --> 00:39:11,438
Speaker 1: doesn't try it to force things offensively because I don't

812
00:39:11,438 --> 00:39:13,238
Speaker 1: think he's going to get much to hit and he's

813
00:39:13,238 --> 00:39:16,198
Speaker 1: a high energy guy, so I'll keep an eye on that.

814
00:39:16,678 --> 00:39:19,158
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City has a narrow path to win

815
00:39:19,238 --> 00:39:21,998
Speaker 1: this series, and that is through their starting pitching. Carl

816
00:39:22,118 --> 00:39:25,798
Speaker 1: Reagan's is really really good lefty with premier velocity and

817
00:39:25,878 --> 00:39:29,478
Speaker 1: outstanding change up and Seth Lugo has had a great

818
00:39:29,558 --> 00:39:32,478
Speaker 1: year for Kansas City and Baltimore did not really hit

819
00:39:32,558 --> 00:39:35,558
Speaker 1: well down the stretch. That to me, is the one

820
00:39:35,598 --> 00:39:38,718
Speaker 1: way Kansas City can win this series that their pitchers

821
00:39:38,718 --> 00:39:42,038
Speaker 1: go out there and just deal. Now, I'll give an

822
00:39:42,158 --> 00:39:44,278
Speaker 1: edge to the Orioles because I think with all of

823
00:39:44,318 --> 00:39:48,238
Speaker 1: their power is such a decided advantage. Even if they

824
00:39:48,278 --> 00:39:50,758
Speaker 1: don't hit really well, they can change the game with

825
00:39:50,878 --> 00:39:53,478
Speaker 1: one swing up and down the lineup. The Royals can't

826
00:39:53,518 --> 00:39:55,558
Speaker 1: do that, and that's what I think will be the

827
00:39:55,598 --> 00:39:58,198
Speaker 1: difference in this series. I think the Orioles can pop

828
00:39:58,238 --> 00:40:00,758
Speaker 1: a couple of balls out and win what I think

829
00:40:00,838 --> 00:40:03,758
Speaker 1: it will be a really really close series, But I

830
00:40:03,918 --> 00:40:06,638
Speaker 1: will lean towards Baltimore in that one, which brings us

831
00:40:06,678 --> 00:40:11,798
Speaker 1: to Detroit and Houston. Aj Hinch going back to Houston

832
00:40:11,918 --> 00:40:15,118
Speaker 1: to take his Tigers team, who are the They're the

833
00:40:15,158 --> 00:40:16,998
Speaker 1: it team down the stretch. With the way that they

834
00:40:17,038 --> 00:40:20,478
Speaker 1: played going up against the Houston Astros. We all know

835
00:40:20,558 --> 00:40:23,278
Speaker 1: the American League Championship goes through Houston. It has for

836
00:40:23,318 --> 00:40:26,958
Speaker 1: what seven eight straight years? Nothing's changed. The Astros are

837
00:40:26,958 --> 00:40:28,998
Speaker 1: a TV you just can't kill. They know how to

838
00:40:29,038 --> 00:40:31,638
Speaker 1: win in the big spots. They have really good starting pitching.

839
00:40:32,118 --> 00:40:35,078
Speaker 1: Do you give Detroit a chance against Houston, Joe, I.

840
00:40:35,038 --> 00:40:38,838
Speaker 3: Have Houston circled No. I like Houston here. I was

841
00:40:38,918 --> 00:40:41,358
Speaker 3: checking it out today. I remember last year the anomaly situation.

842
00:40:41,838 --> 00:40:43,758
Speaker 3: They played much better on the road than they did

843
00:40:43,798 --> 00:40:45,838
Speaker 3: at home. They think they've kind of rectified that a bit.

844
00:40:46,598 --> 00:40:50,718
Speaker 3: But Houston, the way they started and the way they concluded, Nick,

845
00:40:50,758 --> 00:40:53,678
Speaker 3: you said they're pedigree and how they respond to these

846
00:40:53,758 --> 00:40:56,278
Speaker 3: kind of moments. This is the kind of year that

847
00:40:56,318 --> 00:40:59,438
Speaker 3: Detroit I think you know, found their footing a bit obviously,

848
00:40:59,478 --> 00:41:02,038
Speaker 3: and they did. They were spectacular down the stretch. But

849
00:41:02,158 --> 00:41:05,598
Speaker 3: I mean they're their offense was playing better at the end.

850
00:41:05,598 --> 00:41:08,518
Speaker 3: But I still believe they can be explained a bit.

851
00:41:08,558 --> 00:41:10,238
Speaker 3: There's a lot of swing and missing that group. So

852
00:41:10,358 --> 00:41:13,838
Speaker 3: I just think Houston's pedigree does show up.

853
00:41:13,918 --> 00:41:16,078
Speaker 2: I think it shows up right here. The fact that

854
00:41:16,118 --> 00:41:17,718
Speaker 2: they had to struggle so hard to get there.

855
00:41:17,718 --> 00:41:20,478
Speaker 3: I think they learned that, they taught themselves a few lessons.

856
00:41:20,798 --> 00:41:23,358
Speaker 3: It's really amazing but they've done and how they've done

857
00:41:23,398 --> 00:41:25,398
Speaker 3: it over the last like I said, seven years. I'm

858
00:41:25,398 --> 00:41:26,758
Speaker 3: such a big fan of that because I know how

859
00:41:26,798 --> 00:41:29,638
Speaker 3: difficult it is to do that. So I'm still going

860
00:41:29,638 --> 00:41:31,358
Speaker 3: to give the edge to Houston. I love with detroit

861
00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:34,398
Speaker 3: Son Scottie Harris, a friend of mine who's running that team.

862
00:41:34,398 --> 00:41:37,398
Speaker 3: I'm happy for that. I know aj I Apoachee the

863
00:41:37,518 --> 00:41:39,958
Speaker 3: boys coaching first base there too. But I still think

864
00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:42,878
Speaker 3: Houston's going to show up. It's going to be a

865
00:41:42,918 --> 00:41:45,878
Speaker 3: good series. But I do believe Houston's experience is going

866
00:41:45,918 --> 00:41:48,478
Speaker 3: to matter here, and especially the fact that it's there

867
00:41:48,478 --> 00:41:50,078
Speaker 3: and that they're playing better in their home ballpark.

868
00:41:50,278 --> 00:41:53,598
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Houston started twelve and twenty four,

869
00:41:53,758 --> 00:41:55,798
Speaker 1: and there's just something about this team, and I think

870
00:41:55,798 --> 00:41:59,638
Speaker 1: it starts with jose L Tuove in that they're never satisfied,

871
00:42:00,078 --> 00:42:03,478
Speaker 1: you know, they're always hungry to win the next series.

872
00:42:04,358 --> 00:42:06,838
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything different here. I like Detroit

873
00:42:06,918 --> 00:42:09,558
Speaker 1: a lot. I think they're dangerous because they're so young.

874
00:42:09,678 --> 00:42:12,478
Speaker 1: They're going to start, by the way, Joe, the youngest

875
00:42:12,518 --> 00:42:15,798
Speaker 1: team on the field in the postseason game since your

876
00:42:15,998 --> 00:42:19,998
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Chicago Cubs. They might have as many as

877
00:42:20,158 --> 00:42:24,398
Speaker 1: seven players in the starting lineup twenty five years and younger,

878
00:42:24,478 --> 00:42:28,038
Speaker 1: which is crazy. But here's the difference. AG's gonna have

879
00:42:28,078 --> 00:42:29,798
Speaker 1: to use a little bit of different lineup because of

880
00:42:29,798 --> 00:42:34,118
Speaker 1: the left handers on Houston's side, with Kokuchi and starting

881
00:42:34,118 --> 00:42:37,038
Speaker 1: with Franburg Valdez. I would like Detroit a lot more

882
00:42:37,078 --> 00:42:38,958
Speaker 1: if they were seeing more right handed pitching. They are

883
00:42:39,038 --> 00:42:41,958
Speaker 1: much better lineup against righty's than lefties, and those two

884
00:42:42,038 --> 00:42:44,478
Speaker 1: lefties are throwing the ball really well for Houston, so

885
00:42:44,958 --> 00:42:49,318
Speaker 1: I think the matchup does not work in favor of Detroit.

886
00:42:49,358 --> 00:42:51,758
Speaker 1: They would have been better off getting Baltimore in the

887
00:42:51,758 --> 00:42:54,158
Speaker 1: first round, but it fell into the sixth spot to

888
00:42:54,158 --> 00:42:57,478
Speaker 1: get Houston. So I think we're agreement there on the Astros.

889
00:42:57,758 --> 00:43:00,078
Speaker 2: On just one question on Valdez, I mean this guy,

890
00:43:00,998 --> 00:43:03,918
Speaker 2: he's really good, but I mean I actually like lefties

891
00:43:04,038 --> 00:43:07,118
Speaker 2: on him as much, if not more than I do

892
00:43:07,598 --> 00:43:10,558
Speaker 2: righty sometimes, did you do you happen to notice or

893
00:43:10,598 --> 00:43:12,798
Speaker 2: his splits any different right now?

894
00:43:13,278 --> 00:43:16,478
Speaker 1: Yeah? They can be. He's a difficult guy. He's basically

895
00:43:16,558 --> 00:43:18,638
Speaker 1: he's a premier ground ball machine, which is what I

896
00:43:18,798 --> 00:43:21,078
Speaker 1: love about him again the postseason, I think a lot

897
00:43:21,078 --> 00:43:22,838
Speaker 1: of it. Even more so is defending the home run.

898
00:43:22,878 --> 00:43:25,798
Speaker 1: He does not give up home runs. His command can

899
00:43:25,838 --> 00:43:28,598
Speaker 1: get a little squarely at times, but he's been really

900
00:43:28,638 --> 00:43:31,638
Speaker 1: good lately. I'm with you on the on the lefties

901
00:43:31,678 --> 00:43:34,198
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't necessarily scare me and run off some

902
00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,158
Speaker 1: of my you know, Kerry Carpenter's Parker Meadows and those

903
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:38,918
Speaker 1: guys on the left side from Detroit. We'll see what

904
00:43:38,958 --> 00:43:41,358
Speaker 1: aj does with the lineup. I just think left or right,

905
00:43:41,398 --> 00:43:42,718
Speaker 1: he's just a beast to deal with.

906
00:43:43,118 --> 00:43:45,958
Speaker 3: Well, He's got the spin on his pitches, the change

907
00:43:45,998 --> 00:43:47,878
Speaker 3: up so good, and I think it mitigates a little

908
00:43:47,918 --> 00:43:52,678
Speaker 3: bit against the left on left and that's I guess

909
00:43:52,678 --> 00:43:54,518
Speaker 3: what we're talking about, And I agree I would. If

910
00:43:54,518 --> 00:43:56,358
Speaker 3: I was Detroit, I would not run away from my

911
00:43:56,438 --> 00:43:59,638
Speaker 3: lefties necessarily, right, I'd have to really look at the

912
00:44:00,398 --> 00:44:02,918
Speaker 3: what I this is a situation. I would look at

913
00:44:02,918 --> 00:44:08,198
Speaker 3: a video my guy swings, my writing swings versus what Valdez's.

914
00:44:08,238 --> 00:44:11,278
Speaker 3: The shape of his pitches look like, the fastball's curveball

915
00:44:11,438 --> 00:44:14,918
Speaker 3: and the change up. And then there's some guys I mean,

916
00:44:14,998 --> 00:44:17,038
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. There's some writings I would just would not

917
00:44:17,238 --> 00:44:21,038
Speaker 3: like based on how there's swing planes, work up match

918
00:44:21,118 --> 00:44:23,558
Speaker 3: up against the shape of the pitches, and I would

919
00:44:23,558 --> 00:44:26,598
Speaker 3: look at that stuff before different series, and especially when

920
00:44:26,638 --> 00:44:28,878
Speaker 3: the This is where numbers are really important, when when

921
00:44:28,878 --> 00:44:32,878
Speaker 3: the numbers indicate reverse And I've done that successfully a

922
00:44:32,878 --> 00:44:35,398
Speaker 3: lot with reverse split guys, and a lot of them

923
00:44:35,398 --> 00:44:38,838
Speaker 3: being lefties. So don't run away from it. If that's

924
00:44:38,878 --> 00:44:41,398
Speaker 3: your group. I think it'd be kind of interesting if

925
00:44:41,438 --> 00:44:42,078
Speaker 3: they stayed with it.

926
00:44:42,238 --> 00:44:42,838
Speaker 2: Curious.

927
00:44:43,158 --> 00:44:45,558
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're dead on, by the way, from Rivaldez

928
00:44:45,798 --> 00:44:49,758
Speaker 1: is a reverse split guy. Left handers hit two fifty two,

929
00:44:50,398 --> 00:44:53,598
Speaker 1: right handers to fourteen, and left handers do also have

930
00:44:53,678 --> 00:44:56,158
Speaker 1: a little bit more slug there. So we'll see it.

931
00:44:56,398 --> 00:44:58,318
Speaker 2: Yeah, play them, just play the lefties.

932
00:44:58,438 --> 00:45:00,318
Speaker 1: Well, it's a great timey or Joe. I can't wait

933
00:45:00,358 --> 00:45:05,318
Speaker 1: for these series urgency and we'll see who gets through

934
00:45:05,358 --> 00:45:08,158
Speaker 1: this first round. But there'll be a surprise or too.

935
00:45:08,198 --> 00:45:10,078
Speaker 1: We know that, and we saw it last year where

936
00:45:10,158 --> 00:45:14,078
Speaker 1: higher seeds are getting knocked out early. Can't wait for it.

937
00:45:14,598 --> 00:45:16,838
Speaker 1: In the meantime, as I always do, Joe, I'm going

938
00:45:16,878 --> 00:45:18,838
Speaker 1: to ask you to close this episode of the Book

939
00:45:18,878 --> 00:45:20,718
Speaker 1: of Joe. Who are you going to today?

940
00:45:20,958 --> 00:45:23,158
Speaker 3: Well, you know, driving back from the golf tournament, I

941
00:45:23,158 --> 00:45:25,678
Speaker 3: was listening to some of the Braves and the Mets,

942
00:45:26,398 --> 00:45:28,438
Speaker 3: and I've you know, I've been on the Mets all year.

943
00:45:28,678 --> 00:45:31,358
Speaker 3: I kind of like a lot of them, what they've

944
00:45:31,358 --> 00:45:32,958
Speaker 3: done and how they've done it, and.

945
00:45:33,558 --> 00:45:36,158
Speaker 2: I like the way. I like the the overall attitude

946
00:45:36,198 --> 00:45:36,638
Speaker 2: of the group.

947
00:45:36,758 --> 00:45:40,358
Speaker 3: I like, I like your manager, and just the way

948
00:45:40,358 --> 00:45:43,438
Speaker 3: they play in a sense. And they've had some crappy moments,

949
00:45:43,478 --> 00:45:44,718
Speaker 3: you know, they have some difficult moments.

950
00:45:44,798 --> 00:45:46,118
Speaker 2: They've and they've.

951
00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:50,838
Speaker 3: Stayed with it. So the road to perseverance lies by doubt.

952
00:45:51,438 --> 00:45:54,318
Speaker 3: And I think anytime that we have we met with

953
00:45:54,358 --> 00:45:57,598
Speaker 3: difficult situations or uncomfortable situations, the.

954
00:45:57,558 --> 00:46:01,918
Speaker 2: Big thing is doubt. Doubt slash fear are always popping

955
00:46:01,918 --> 00:46:04,198
Speaker 2: in there for whatever reason. We don't know. It's things.

956
00:46:04,198 --> 00:46:06,398
Speaker 3: We just were just subject to doubt and fear. We

957
00:46:06,518 --> 00:46:09,118
Speaker 3: just it's a part of the DNA. That's the fighter

958
00:46:09,238 --> 00:46:12,918
Speaker 3: a fighter fly syndrome kind of thing. But we always

959
00:46:12,958 --> 00:46:16,118
Speaker 3: were all subject to that. But to do what the

960
00:46:16,118 --> 00:46:19,238
Speaker 3: Mets have done, but eventually what Detroit has done in

961
00:46:19,238 --> 00:46:22,718
Speaker 3: this particular season, there's a lot of perseverance involved, and

962
00:46:22,798 --> 00:46:25,318
Speaker 3: you have to get beyond doubt and fear in order

963
00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:28,398
Speaker 3: to really persevere. And once you've once you learned how

964
00:46:28,398 --> 00:46:31,038
Speaker 3: to do that, it's not like it's the weird thing

965
00:46:31,078 --> 00:46:33,158
Speaker 3: about it's not one hundred percent lasting. It's like it's

966
00:46:33,158 --> 00:46:36,238
Speaker 3: always going to be. They always have to earn perseverance

967
00:46:36,278 --> 00:46:37,918
Speaker 3: in a sense. You got to you gotta show up

968
00:46:37,918 --> 00:46:40,758
Speaker 3: every day, you gotta believe, you got to grind through

969
00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:43,118
Speaker 3: whatever they thought is. So I think the Mets really

970
00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:46,358
Speaker 3: show this to me that the perseverance component with them.

971
00:46:46,438 --> 00:46:49,318
Speaker 3: So the road to perseverance lies by doubt. And after

972
00:46:49,318 --> 00:46:52,718
Speaker 3: everything I just said, if there's one group that I

973
00:46:52,718 --> 00:46:56,318
Speaker 3: think it's still persevere and be the group that does

974
00:46:56,838 --> 00:46:58,958
Speaker 3: something crazy good, would be the Mets.

975
00:46:59,318 --> 00:47:00,998
Speaker 1: I love that, and that's a great theme for this

976
00:47:01,078 --> 00:47:04,718
Speaker 1: Wildcard round. Because the Mets were started out five, they

977
00:47:04,758 --> 00:47:07,398
Speaker 1: were eleven games under five hundred. The Astros were twelve

978
00:47:07,438 --> 00:47:10,558
Speaker 1: games under five hundred. The Tigers were under five hundred

979
00:47:10,638 --> 00:47:14,118
Speaker 1: in the middle to late August. The Royals had a

980
00:47:14,158 --> 00:47:16,558
Speaker 1: seven game losing streak in September. They lost one hundred

981
00:47:16,598 --> 00:47:19,038
Speaker 1: and six last year. The Braves, with all their injuries

982
00:47:19,078 --> 00:47:21,798
Speaker 1: to a Counya and Riley and everybody else, are still

983
00:47:21,958 --> 00:47:24,958
Speaker 1: breathing here in the postseason. The Brewers lost their manager,

984
00:47:25,078 --> 00:47:28,638
Speaker 1: their closer, they're starting pitching ace and here they are

985
00:47:28,678 --> 00:47:31,678
Speaker 1: back in the postseason. It's amazing what the length of

986
00:47:31,678 --> 00:47:33,878
Speaker 1: the season can do as far as challenges. But as

987
00:47:33,918 --> 00:47:37,878
Speaker 1: I said earlier, Joe, the greater the difficulty, the greater

988
00:47:37,998 --> 00:47:41,558
Speaker 1: the challenge, the higher the reward. We will see who

989
00:47:41,598 --> 00:47:43,838
Speaker 1: gets rewarded in this first round to move on to

990
00:47:43,918 --> 00:47:47,318
Speaker 1: the LDS and when we get there, we'll be back

991
00:47:47,358 --> 00:47:49,718
Speaker 1: to break it down. Hopefully you're back with me, Joe,

992
00:47:49,758 --> 00:47:51,958
Speaker 1: to talk about the next round when we get there,

993
00:47:52,038 --> 00:47:55,318
Speaker 1: and can the Dodgers and the Yankees get through the

994
00:47:55,318 --> 00:47:57,758
Speaker 1: next round? That's what it'll be Our next discussion, It's

995
00:47:57,798 --> 00:48:00,598
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. Man enjoyed it. Joe, Thanks your two

996
00:48:00,638 --> 00:48:10,838
Speaker 1: brother Thanks. The Book of Joe podcast is a production

997
00:48:10,958 --> 00:48:16,078
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998
00:48:16,158 --> 00:48:19,118
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