1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, everybody, It's Thursday, January sixteenth, twenty twenty five. 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're starting to 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: go fund me for Florio's plane ticket. Me and your 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: man MG Marcus, joined by Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones. 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so, Floria, you were saying to us after 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: Tuesday show, you're considering a little road trip for the weekend. 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: Huh yeah, I uh. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: I've always wanted to go to a Bills playoff game, 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 3: and you guys can attest like going to a regular 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: season game is not really possible with the job that 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: we had, playoffs could be. Last year, I had my 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: tickets all booked, not not booked, but like about to 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: hit book and then they were like six feet of 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: snow's coming into Buffalo. So I said no. And then 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: this trip around, I guess because it's the game of 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: the week, It's Sunday night. Everyone all the TV people 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: need a fly home Monday. They want four figures to 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: fly home just to fly home. Oh my god, I'm 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: not sure I'm gonna But also after that, I went 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: and I checked the weather for the game. Uh, they're 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: predicting it's gonna be something around ten degrees with the 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: real feel of like in the negatives. So I think 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 3: me watching from home might be the best bet. 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that feels like a good call. 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: You gotta pick a team that doesn't have to deal 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: with that type of weather, my boy. 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: Or at least one in a dome or something. 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, like why don't they have a dome at this point? 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: Seriously though, They're building a new stadium and it's an 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: outdoor and finans are like, build a dome, and they're like, look, 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: we're gonna make it where the snow won't fall on 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: the fans, but the field we want snow. And I'm like, 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: you have, Josh Allen, let's not take them away in 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: the snow. 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: The word part about this, and I know, like you 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: know you have, you have the football whether people out 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: there who are like this is the way the game's 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be played, like it's not an advantage really 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: for anybody, Like you have the greatest athletes in the world, 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna make them play in awful conditions. And on 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: top of it, it's not like it's not like all 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills are from Buffalo and are used 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: to playing in the snow, right, like I get it. 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: Josh Allen went to Wyoming and he played in the 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: snow and. 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 4: The cold, you know. 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure he did at some point when he was 48 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: was you know, in Wyoming. But like James Cook, it's 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: more like Florida. He's from Miami, right, he went to Georgia. 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: Like sucks right, Like he's not rum He's not He 51 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: wasn't born playing in this kind of weather. Like, I 52 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: don't know. That's just me and I'm sure that, you know, 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: the football people will be like whatever. Me as a 54 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: native California is like this sucks, That's all I don't. 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: I don't get it. Man, even like I've I don't know, 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: growing up doing snow removal and being in that weather 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: and stuff, it sucks. Like there's it's fun for an 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: hour or so and then it's awful. 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 5: Like will my socks get wet because of snow and rain? 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: I just want to fight. 61 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: My day is ruined. My socks are wet, and I 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: can't go home. One of the worst experiences of my 63 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: life is walking at like five in the morning in 64 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: a blizzard to the New York City subway and I 65 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: like wanting to fight everyone in my path. 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: That day, or exactly like you said, snow is fun 67 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: when you know you can leave it, like when he's 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: there and you get to play for a couple days 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: and you have to go home. 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: That's when snow is fun. When you have to live 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: in it. 72 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: I'd imagine I say this just guessing because I've never 73 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: lived in a snowy area. 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: It doesn't seem like it'd be a whole lot of. 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: You would want to buy a flame thrower. You look 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: like a flame for a guy. It's fun if you 77 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: don't have to go out. If you're home with a 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: bunch of food and you don't have to go out, 79 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: it's great. 80 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: Having a flamethrower. Though, that does sort of change my opinion. 81 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Do I get the win and just like use it that? 82 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: That does seem kind of coo once upon a time 83 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: in Hollywood style. 84 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems kind of Also, we got plenty of 85 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: something talking about We're gonna get sind you. Our exit 86 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: interviews with draft picks five through eighths also give you 87 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of a preview for the divisional round. 88 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: But before we dive into this too, so on the 89 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: last show, uh Lakwan, you debuted your blonde hair, which. 90 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: You know, Florida I thought looked good. We thought it 91 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: was a good look on you. 92 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: Today it is back to normal, which makes me wonder 93 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: what was the response from the family when they saw it. 94 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: So the wife called me off guard. 95 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 5: She kind of just like walked in and I was 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 5: just like, oh crap, I can't record it. 97 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: But she was just like jaw dropping, like what did 98 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: you do to yourself? 99 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 5: But like eventually, like once you see it in the light, 100 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 5: She's like, it doesn't look that bad on you, but 101 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 5: I just need some time to get used to it. 102 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, this is a good thing. I 103 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 5: could probably rock this look. 104 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: My kids hated. 105 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 5: The kids they thought was Halloween. Like Layla's like touching 106 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 5: my hair, like is this why is it like this? 107 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 5: And the kids they say to Darness things. 108 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, your son had a p it'sicularly interesting review of 109 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: what your hair looked like. 110 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 5: Like he oh my god, Like Marcus, I forgot to 111 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 5: tell you the story last time on the pod. He 112 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: makes you out to be cooler than you already are. 113 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 5: Like we're watching the Rams game and he's looking like Marcus, 114 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 5: let's go, and he's saying number fifteen DeMarcus Robinson, but 115 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 5: he's like Daddy's friend. 116 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, dadd nosing. 117 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: He really thought it was you. 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: But Mason, he's one of a kind man. 119 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 5: But one of my friends actually real quick said that 120 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 5: I look like the evil negative. 121 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: Version of a monrod Say Brown. I can sake. I 122 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: love that one. 123 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: Ah. That's funny. By the way, you can. You can 124 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: let Mason know. And I'm letting you guys know. 125 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: I love you all. 126 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: If I was making even DeMarcus Robinson money, I wouldn't 127 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: be here doing a podcast with you all. 128 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: No, no, tressed. It would be if you did a show 129 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: on Sunday mornings and then laced up for the. 130 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: Was running routes Sean McVay, I'd be amazing. Yeah, I 131 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: even if I was making like NFL minimum money, I 132 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't be here doing the podat I love you, but no, 133 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: I just I absolutely wouldn't be doing that. 134 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: Look, LaQuan, it sounds like if you do want full 135 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 3: time blonde hair, you just ease it in a couple 136 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: of days and day it's just permanent. 137 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: It's just there. Yeah, you just do that. 138 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Maybe we do that, man, I like say, all right, 139 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: let's get to our exit. 140 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: Interviews. 141 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: Here, we will start with the number five pick that 142 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: belongs to the Jacksonville Jaguars. They went four and thirteen 143 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: this season. 144 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: What went right? 145 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: Undoubtedly it was Brian Thomas Junior. Eighty seven receptions, over 146 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: twelve hundred nearly thirteen hundred receiving yards, ten touchdowns. He 147 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: was the wide receiver four. I mean, look, Florida, I 148 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: know you were a elite Neighbors person. I know a 149 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: lot of people were Marvin Harrison people. I look not 150 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: to say that we didn't think Brian Thomas couldn't be good. 151 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Did you imagine a world of where he was a 152 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: top five receiver coming in? 153 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: No, No, And as much as you know, I like 154 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 3: to take credit for being on like Jaden and Melik 155 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: Neighbors and Lad McConkie and those guys coming out of 156 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: the draft, one of my I won't say like I 157 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: wasn't like Brian Thomas Junior is a buster or anything 158 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: like that, but I thought he was the fifth best 159 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: wide receiver in this class last year, and that is 160 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: clearly a swing at a miss. He's much better than that. 161 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: Like Ladd McConkie, Melik Neighbors and him are the clearcut 162 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: top three from this class or as of right now, 163 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison and Roma Dunza maybe could change that. But yeah, 164 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: I think it's easy to feel good about Brian Thomas 165 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: for next season because well, I know Lakwan hates his quarterback, 166 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: but he's tied to way the better quarterback than than 167 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors is right now. And the offense is gonna 168 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: change with no Doug Peterson being there, but a lot 169 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: of the pieces are gonna stay the same. And I mean, 170 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: you'd have to be a fool if you got this 171 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: job and you were suddenly like, we're not gonna run 172 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: things through Brian Thomas Junior. 173 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: So then is he a first round pick next year 174 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: in fantasy? 175 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: I I think he'll be one of those players on 176 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: average is ADP will be first round, but he'll be 177 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: someone like, uh, I'm trying to think like a back 178 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: end first where sometimes you could get him in like 179 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: the first or second pick in the second round. 180 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: But I do think his ADP will be a late 181 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: first all right. 182 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: Then, as for what went wrong, and like, I don't 183 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: know literally everything else pretty much in Jacksonville, I mean, Ark, 184 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: we got to a point where Travis et In was 185 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: unusable in fantasy, but take Bigsby wasn't really usable. He 186 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: wasn't doing enough. You know, Trevor Lawrence got hurt. We 187 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: saw mac Jones. So I do ask you, because you 188 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: know Florida pointed out, look on you are an unabashed uh, 189 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence hater. The problem is they have signed him 190 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: to an extension. They are tied to Trevor Lawrence. How 191 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: much does that impact you're thinking when you're looking at 192 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: drafting Brian Thomas j or. I guess Evan Ingram or 193 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: a healthy Christian Kirk or whoever else may be there. 194 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: Does that knock them down a couple of spots for you? 195 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 5: Well, Like like Florio said, I could see him living 196 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 5: on that back into that first early second, maybe even 197 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 5: mid second. I just feel more comfortable in the second 198 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 5: round with him because a lot of his emergence was situational. 199 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: He's a great player, he's in a great situation. But 200 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 5: you have Trevor Lawrence, he got injured, play ten games. 201 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 5: You have ten forgettable games from David Davis. I mean 202 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 5: he had twenty catches in ten games. 203 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: Yikes. 204 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 5: But then you have Evan Ingram, who's obviously a high 205 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 5: priority target share at Christian Kirk, obviously a high priority 206 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: target share in the offense. All these guys are returning 207 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 5: next season, so this might change a little bit of Like, 208 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 5: right now, it feels good saying he's a first round, 209 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 5: early second round, but then once we get closer to 210 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: draft day, ADP might slip a little because some of 211 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: these guys are gonna come back healthy, still employed. Parker Washington, 212 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 5: I hope he gets more opportunity if they move off 213 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 5: of Christian Kirk, but more so looking at Trevor Lawrence, 214 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 5: his habits, his tendencies, It's constantly going to be in 215 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 5: the slot, and Brian Thomas Junior does not live there. 216 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 5: In an emergence, I would say we should have we 217 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 5: should have had a bigger scope on mac Jones because 218 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 5: he went out there and looked very similar to whichever 219 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 5: Lawrence when you put the numbers side by side. 220 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny too, because I at the end of 221 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: the season, right and doing that last week or so 222 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: of NFL Fantasy Live and trying to spin things forward 223 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: to next year, my immediate reaction was, yeah, man, Brian 224 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: Thomas is a first round pick. But as I stopped 225 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: to really think about it, and you know, maybe got outside. 226 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: Of the moment a little bit. 227 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: I think I'm landing more to where you are, Lakwan, 228 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: that maybe he's not. Maybe he's a second round pick, 229 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: just because, as you mentioned, a lot of the guys 230 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: are back, They're gonna be questions about the offense and 231 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: what it's going to be exactly once we figure out 232 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: the coaching staff that's going to be in place and 233 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: how that's going to work out. So I think my 234 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: recency bias immediately had me say yeah, first round pick. 235 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: And now that I'm sort of you know, exhaling a 236 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: little bit and sort of looking at the big picture here, 237 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. Let me ask you, Forya, because I 238 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: know you and I have sort of tried to make 239 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence a thing the last cut. Maybe not this year, 240 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the year before I know we did. Are we done 241 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: with that? Is it over? 242 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: Yes? 243 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: Yes? 244 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: The thinking is like, unless I'll take everything back if 245 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson ends up there, because I will trust him 246 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: and his play calling and getting the most out of 247 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 3: everyone there. But no, Yeah, like he had Doug Peterson, 248 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: who we were all excited about, and like he even 249 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: in his best years. He's never been a very great 250 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: fantasy quarterback. He's more of like a fringy guy that 251 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: you could play in the right matchup stuff like that. So, uh, 252 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: it's one of the and then being tied to him 253 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: is one of the reasons why I think that this 254 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: is not one of the more appealing jobs this year, 255 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 3: because I get there's a toolsy quarterback there, but it's 256 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: also one that is getting paid a ton of money, 257 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: and if you don't get the most out of him 258 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: right away, you're both going to be gone from Jacksonville. 259 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, I've lost I, like many, I was a 260 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence believer when he came out of college, and 261 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: I've lost all that. We all were. We all sold 262 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: the dream man and it is not great. 263 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: They threw around the G word, right, generational. That was 264 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: the thing when he came out of Clemson, because I look, 265 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: he had an amazing college career, right, There's no denying 266 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: that was incredible in college. It has not translated. Look 267 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: this year. Obviously, the injury limited him to just ten 268 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: games this season, but it wasn't really great. He had 269 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: that stretch late in twenty twenty two when it looked 270 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: like he was starting to put some things together. Twenty 271 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: twenty three was sort of underwhelming. Then this year was 272 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: not great before the injury. We're coming up on year 273 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: five now, and you know, I think at this point 274 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: there's still hope that maybe he turns it around. Is 275 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: at least a credible starting quarterback. But I think the 276 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: idea that he is going to be the next great 277 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacking star in the NFL, I mean, I think that 278 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: ship has sailed. But the Jaguars have made a commitment 279 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: to him, so he's going to be there, you know, 280 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: as long as he's healthy. He's going to be there 281 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. And that is going to sort 282 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: of color everything around around what happens. I just got 283 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: to ask you, Ques, what do we do about Travise 284 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: etn because again, he was another guy that it looked 285 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: like things were sort of happening for him, and this 286 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: year he just just vanished. 287 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: Really in the offense. 288 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I look, he played fifteen games, Like you 289 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: would have had a hard time convincing me that he 290 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: played that many games. 291 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 5: This year, you have to just change your expectations, take 292 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 5: the RB one lens off of him and just throw 293 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 5: it at RB two low end RB two on him 294 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 5: and just have your expectations in order when you go 295 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 5: to draft day, Like if you're drafting as your RB one, 296 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 5: you're going to be suffering pain if you're going to 297 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 5: be drafting his handcuffing Tank Bigsby. He can't get out 298 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 5: of his own way to actually be usole on the 299 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 5: week to week basis. So if you're even diving into 300 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 5: the Jaguars like running back room, you just have to 301 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 5: have your expectations in order because there's plenty of games 302 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 5: where you know, I just had to play Travis Etn, 303 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: but he's shown up to put up decent points and 304 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 5: you're like, Okay, I'm glad I made that move. He's 305 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 5: one of those guys that you're gonna have to play 306 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: based on matchup and based on who they bring in. 307 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 5: You know, the coaching staff is gonna alter a lot 308 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: of the conversations that we're having right now. 309 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: Honestly. So it's a little bit early, but overall, Travis Etn, 310 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: you just have to change your expectations for some running backs. 311 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know if he's an RB two. 312 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean if just if you just do it based 313 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: on where he finished. He was the RB thirty five 314 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: this year. It was it was rough just about one point, 315 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: a little more than one point. I had to take 316 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: take Bigsby like they were back to back. 317 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: I had a league where I had both of them, 318 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: and like trying to figure out which one. It's a 319 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: deep league to like two flex spots and stuff, and 320 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: trying to figure out which one of those two to 321 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: play week to week was there was no rhyme or 322 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: reason because there would be weeks You're like, all right, 323 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: they're gonna be trailing and it wouldn't be an easy 324 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: like I want no part of this backfield next year. 325 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: No, just yeah, I mean really, outside of Thomas, I 326 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: think I can make an argument for Christian Kirk, and 327 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can make a case 328 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: for Evan Ingram. I mean, like at least a healthy 329 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk I can sort of I can make a 330 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: case for I don't know about Ingram. So it's really 331 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: it's Brian Thomas Junior and maybe Christian Kirk. That's kind 332 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: of it, guys that I'm I have any real level 333 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: of interest in in drafts next year. 334 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 4: For sure. 335 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: With Thomas, I think it's gonna be a little of 336 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: what we both said. Like in home leagues he's gonna 337 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: be a second round pick, I think, but in those 338 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: like June Best Ball drafts, he'll go in. 339 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 4: The first I think. 340 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I did so. I did a mock draft, 341 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: like on my own XL sheet. I got him right 342 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 5: now at the two to one spot. I'm okay with that. 343 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 5: I'm okay with going Rock Bowers at that one twelve 344 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 5: and then go Brian Thomas Junior. I'm okay with that. Wow, 345 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 5: you're so you're taking Brock Bauers round one now one? Yeah, 346 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 5: that's my prediction. This is my early predictions right now 347 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: that I'm looking at for my mocks, and it's crazy, 348 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: like I can't see myself taking Brian Thomas Junior over. 349 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: Pooking Nakua, you know. 350 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: I can't see him take us over Drake London. So 351 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 5: that that makes the back like Elie Neighbors, he's going 352 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 5: to be on that one ten spot, Like he's gonna 353 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 5: be at that one ten, one twelve spot, Like can 354 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 5: you fit Brian Thomas Junior there? 355 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: Honestly? Like I don't know. 356 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that's gonna be an interesting conversation once 357 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: we start doing some more mock drafts and that sort 358 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: of thing. But it's a perfect segue to the next 359 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: team up. Who has the number six pick, and that's 360 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders at four and thirteen. It was 361 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: almost like you read the rundown by the way, just 362 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: real quick. Some of the big free some of the 363 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: notable I want to say big notable free agents for 364 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, Mac Jones at the Ernest Johnson. Yeah, yeah, anyway, 365 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: back to the Raiders, I went right for sure. It 366 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: was Brock Bowers. You know, one hundred and twelve receptions 367 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: at nearly twelve hundred yards, five touchdowns. He was the 368 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: tight end one second year in a row that a 369 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: rookie has been the overall tight end. One phenomenal season 370 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: for Bowers, and in a year where I had he 371 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: not gone to the Raiders, I think the draft capitol 372 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: on him would have been nuts. He goes to the Raiders, 373 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: who had previously spent a high draft pick on Michael Mayer. 374 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: I for one was kind of like, oh no, I 375 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: don't really love this situation. And then the Raiders just said, 376 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: Michael Marrier just have a seat. Brock is gonna handle everything. 377 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Will be fine and everything worked out well for him. 378 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers also had a really good season, and maybe 379 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: it was overshadowed a little bit because of what Bowers did, 380 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: but Myers eighty seven catches over one thousand yards, He 381 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: had four touchdowns. 382 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 4: He was the wide receiver nineteen. 383 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: Definitely I think benefited from Devontae Adams getting traded at 384 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: some point during the year. But career numbers for him, 385 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean career highs in receptions, his first career thousand 386 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: yard season as well. So I feel like it was 387 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: very quietly a good year for Jakobe Myers. So Lakwan 388 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: said he's got Brock Bowers as a first round pick. Florio, 389 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: do you have him as a first round pick this year? 390 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: I could see him getting drafted as one me personally, 391 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 3: I will not be the one doing it. Not that 392 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: he doesn't deserve to be a first round pick, like 393 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 3: the numbers he gave us this year with the quarterbacks 394 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: that he did as a rookie, And it's not just 395 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: like I know, we could be like, oh, well, look, 396 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: rookie wide receivers are coming in and hitting the ground 397 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: running like ever. But for rookie tight ends, it really 398 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 3: is only the elites, although I will point out Kyle 399 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 3: Pitts San Laporter both got worse through in the year two, 400 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 3: than that's not the reason though I'm fading Bowers. I 401 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: think Bowers is generational. I think him and Trey McBride 402 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: are battling out to be the first tight end off 403 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: the board next season. I just have always hated my 404 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: bills when I take a tight end in the first round, 405 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: so I need like a lot, like Lakwan says often, like, 406 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: I feel like I need to leave with a wide 407 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: receiver in that first round. And if I could get 408 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: Tray McBride in round two rather than take Brock Bowers 409 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: in round one, because I do think Bowers will go first. 410 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: I think the name, the hype of being younger, stuff 411 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: like that. But I just if he goes in round two, 412 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: I could maybe convince myself to do it. But in 413 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: round one, I just I've done it in the past 414 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: and I've always hated it. 415 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: First thing, yes, Sam Laporter was worse in year two 416 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: than he was in year one, but that fall off 417 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: was not as dramatic as Kyle. 418 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: It looks like it would be though for a bit. 419 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Kyle pins went from a thousand yards 420 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: as a rookie. Now granted he only played ten games 421 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: in his second season, but three hundred and fifty six yards. 422 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about going from sixty yards a 423 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: game to about thirty five yards per game. 424 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 4: That is dramatic. Laporter did not have. He did not 425 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 4: just jump off a cliff kept falling. 426 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: He's sort of he sort of walked down a hill. 427 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of the way when for Sam Laporta in 428 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: year two, I think I side with you Floria on 429 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: this one, just because I said this late in the year. 430 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: I think for me to consider a tight end in 431 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: round one, that player has to be so much better 432 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: than the other tight ends behind him that it's just 433 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: an undeniable advantage, right, It's it's gotta be. You know, 434 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty two, when Travis Kelce was one 435 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: hundred points better than the tight end two, that wasn't 436 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the case. I mean, Bowers was was phenomenal. He beat 437 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: Trade McBride by thirteen points. You know, like, that's not 438 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: that's not so, that's that such a huge gap that 439 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I gotta have him, Like I. 440 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: Can wait this time. 441 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean if Trade McBride scored more 442 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: than two touchdowns receiving touchdowns all season. 443 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're only separated by the touchdowns really yeah. 444 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 4: I mean it really is. 445 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yardage why, I think it's about about 446 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: fifty yards difference. It's like one reception different, Like that's 447 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: really it. It's the touchdowns that sort of made the 448 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: gap there between the two of them. So that's the 449 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: only reason I think I can't really do brock Bauers 450 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: in the in the first round at this point. So 451 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: that went right for the Raiders. What went wrong for 452 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: the Raiders? Sa Mere White? We can start there. I 453 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: was gonna put the quarterbacks here, but let's be honest. 454 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: I don't know that we had any real expectations for 455 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: Raiders quarterbacks, did we. 456 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 4: I mean no, the pre. 457 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: Four wins, I did they not have? Hey, they gave 458 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 3: the Rams. They gave the Rams a game too, apparently, 459 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: so it was just whoa all right? 460 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the preseason was a mid off between Gardner 461 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: Minshew and Aidan O'Connell. At one point, things got so 462 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: bad between injury and under performance that we saw Desmond 463 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: Ritter get a start. Yeah, we just had noise I 464 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: can't say that it went wrong because we didn't really 465 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: expect much from them in the first place. But Zamir White, 466 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: there was hope. 467 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 4: There was a lot of excitement. 468 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: I said before the season, you know, Josh Jacobs left 469 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: and everybody was like, all right, it's a mere White season. 470 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: And the Raiders went out and got Alexander Madison and everybody. 471 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: Was like, all right, it's a mere White season. 472 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: And then in the end two hundred and thirteen scrimmage 473 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown and ended up missing the final 474 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: seven games because of injury. Ol Q, I don't know 475 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: where where did you fall on Zamir White at the 476 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: start of the season compared to like, you know what happened. 477 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 5: I would say as the summer started coming to it 478 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 5: and I started coming around on the hype because it 479 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 5: was just everywhere, and you're just like, you know what, 480 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 5: I don't you know, think that I can make a 481 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 5: case not to really draft him out. I feel like 482 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 5: he has the lead role. We've seen Alexander Madison produced 483 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: and it hasn't been much. But there's a lot of 484 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 5: folks in therapy right now experience like that was a 485 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 5: terrible experience. Like all my teams that I had him 486 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 5: on were just complete nightmares. Like one of those leagues 487 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 5: that I happened to have, you know, a Mir Duelo 488 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 5: on the waiver wire. It saved my league and I 489 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 5: still didn't make the playoffs. So it was just like 490 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 5: running backs, when we make these hype trains, we need 491 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 5: to look at the entire situation. Expectations at quarterback we 492 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: didn't have any, so we knew it was bad. Expectations 493 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 5: for the coaching, eh first year, first job, We'll see 494 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: how it goes with the culture and see if they 495 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 5: go out there and win games. But they weren't gonna 496 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: win a bunch of games. The whole entire situation just 497 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 5: had a red flag of just bad, bad, bad, And 498 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 5: we still went out there and drafted this guy in 499 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 5: the first six seven rounds like it's real nasty one. 500 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: I think the big like, it's so funny to me 501 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: that him and Alexander Madison shared the backfield because Samir 502 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: White was the Alexander Madison from the year prior. And 503 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: to me, I think what the big lesson is is 504 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 3: we need to stop seeing a running back, a backup 505 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: running back have a good game or a couple of 506 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: good games and be like, now, imagine what he could 507 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: do over seventeen because it's so much easier to do 508 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 3: it in a spot start or for a couple of games, 509 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 3: especially when there's not tape out on you late in 510 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 3: the year, especially when defenses are banged up, like Zamir 511 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: White did it last at the end of twenty twenty three. 512 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: So I don't know who fits the bill. I have 513 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: to like think more who fits the bill for this 514 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: year in that mold, but like stop chasing these small 515 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 3: sample sizes and thinking like, all right if it hits 516 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: over seventeen games, because it's there's a reason why Zamir 517 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: White and Alexander Madison were career backups for so long, 518 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: taking a pen and scratching out my sincere McCormick takes. 519 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 3: I love. 520 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: Sincere McCormick. 521 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: We love the sincere McCormick, But the Sincere McCormick sample 522 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: size was really small. It was basically two games. Then 523 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: unfortunately he got hurt. We didn't see him for the 524 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: rest of the year. Uh yeah, granted it's a little 525 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: bit different. He was a rookie, but he was also 526 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: a rookie that wouldn't have seen the field, were it 527 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: not for Zamir White being awful and getting injured in 528 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: an Alexander Madison sort of being out Xander Madison. You know, 529 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: so I hope, I hope we did take that lesson 530 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: away that Hey, look, let's not get too hyped on 531 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: Sincere McCormick. The Raiders another situation though, where there's a 532 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: complete overhaul with Antonio Pierce being let go, Tom Telesco 533 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: being let go. I did sort of weirdly appreciate that 534 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: the Raiders did those two things on on separate days, 535 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: so that, you know, we got the. 536 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: Time to mourn them both individually. 537 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, Antonio Pierce got let go, like 538 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: I have a day, and then like two days later, like, 539 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: oh Tom Telesco let go, Like okay, we can mourn 540 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: him for a couple of days. 541 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: I was shocked they. 542 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: Fired to LESCo like he he hit, he hit one 543 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: draft and he hit he got, you guys, the best 544 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: tight end in the league. 545 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, even if it. 546 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Was on accident, Like even if he didn't plan for 547 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: it to happen, right, I mean everything said they wanted 548 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix and the focus with surprize, and then they 549 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: were like all right, Well, I guess we'll. 550 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 4: Just take brock Bauers and it worked out. 551 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: So, Yeah, some of the free agents coming up for 552 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: the Raiders, Alexander Madison, I mean, Abdullah Tarras Marshall junior, 553 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. 554 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 4: The Marshall was the guys who knows who knows. 555 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: Marshall was interesting because he started to get on the 556 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: field late in the season, and I think everybody had 557 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: the same reaction, like he caught a pass and a 558 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: game late and hear everybody's like Sarah Marshall juniors with 559 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: the Raiders, Like I think we all sort of collectively 560 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: did that, Like, oh, I have no idea. 561 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: We'll see if he's with the Raiders next year. 562 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: Anyway, that gets us to time to see who will deliver. 563 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Presented by Uber Eats, Let's get back to brock Bowers 564 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: because he is kind of the one thing that's really 565 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: fun to talk. 566 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 4: About with the Raiders right now. 567 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: So I will ask each of you, both of you 568 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: you Eat individually to plant the flag here in mid January. 569 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 4: Will brock Bauers not can he? 570 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: But will brock Bauers repeat as the tight end one 571 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: throwing in for context the last player to go back 572 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: to back as the tight end one overall, probably not 573 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: a big surprise. It was Travis Kelcey in twenty nineteen, 574 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: did it again in twenty twenty, Lakwan, I will start 575 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: with you, will Brock Bauers if you had to say 576 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: it right now in mid January? 577 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: Will he be the tight end one? 578 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 5: Yes, only because I do not expect good things from 579 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 5: this offense and he remains to hyper focus and have 580 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: a high target share. Like just being honest, there's not 581 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 5: much of a talent threat around him versus with Trey 582 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 5: McBride having Marmon Harrison junior. 583 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: Hopefully Greg Dorsch is there as well next. 584 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 5: Season, but I just feel like there's more talent around, 585 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 5: you know, Trey McBride. But Brock Bowers, Yeah, I think 586 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 5: he does the repeat back to back Florida. 587 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: Does he go back to back? 588 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 3: I think he should be the favorite to do so. 589 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: I think it's probably a three man race between him, McBride, 590 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: and Kittle. But I'll take the field just because you're 591 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: giving me thirty one other options versus one, So that's 592 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: really only thinking. But I do think Bowers should be 593 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: viewed like again, it should be him and McBride as 594 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: the top two tight ends going off the board, and 595 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for Trey McBride, but I'll be honest, 596 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: I probably won't have either one of them on my 597 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: teams because I don't love if he's going a second 598 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: round pick on a tight end either. I think what 599 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do with tight end this year is what 600 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: I always It's January, We'll see I always get sucked 601 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 3: into the middle tier like the donkin Caid's, the Kyle Pitts's. 602 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: I think this year, I'm just gonna punk the position, 603 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna suspend a second round pick on 604 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: these two guys. So I'll just wait till the double 605 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: digit rounds and hope I could find something off waivers 606 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: or something. As the year JO get yourself from John Smith. 607 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: This year you did better than drafting a tight end 608 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: outside of the top ten. 609 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Sehan, Who's not gonna last tho the double digit rounds? Though, 610 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the thing. I'm saying that right One. 611 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm planting my flag on two things right now. One, 612 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: if you're gonna ask me right now, I say Trey 613 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: McBride finishes the year as the tight end one, like 614 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna score more tons, he's gonna score more touchdowns 615 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: next year. They're gonna work that out to make that happen. 616 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: And if you were looking for a later round tight 617 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: end to be your guy, Tyler Warren from Penn State, 618 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: that's the guy that I am planting my flag on. 619 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: He's going to be the next Like we're gonna go 620 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: from Laporta to Bowers to Warren. I'm not sitting here 621 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: telling you that Tyler Warren is going to be the 622 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: tight end one. But if you're looking for a late 623 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: round tight end, I think he's going to be the 624 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: guy that. 625 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 4: A lot of folks are going to be excited about. 626 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: Black Licent, Ohio State gets you jail time. 627 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: That's right, thank you, Thank goodness. I'm nowhere near Columbus 628 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: right now. That's all I'm saying. I'm nowhere near Columbus anyway. 629 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 4: That was Who Will Deliver. 630 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: Presented by Uber Eats, where you can get the best 631 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: deals on game day food all season long, the official 632 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: on demand delivery partner of the NFL. 633 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: Order. Now, all right, we're just getting started. 634 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 1: We got a couple more teams to dive into the 635 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: Jets because I think the Carolina Panthers will dive into that. 636 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: Plus our divisional round preview that's coming up next on 637 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Pod. Continuing our exit interviews, we 638 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: are doing draft picks five through eights and coming in 639 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: at number seven the New York Jets. 640 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: It went five and twelve. 641 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: When I was going through the what went right, what 642 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: went wrongs, it just so for one went right, I 643 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: went Breeze Hall, I went Garrett Wilson, Breese Hall over 644 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred and fifty scrimmageyards, eight total touchdowns, the RB sixteen, 645 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson over one hundred catches, over eleven hundred yards, 646 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: seven touchdowns, the wide receiver ten. But Florida, it just 647 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like they went right right because of 648 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: where we drafted them and what the expectations were. Like 649 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: I think in a vacuum, if you look at it, 650 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, those are pretty good seasons. But it 651 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: just felt like because our expectations were so high for 652 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: both of those players. I mean, Brice Hall we were 653 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: talking about is a top five, maybe even top three 654 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: draft pick, depending on your situation. I don't know, just 655 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: it felt disappointing. Even if I guess statistically it wasn't 656 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: is that is that wrong? 657 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: No? No, I think that you hit the nail on 658 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: the head there. I think if you asked a football fan, like, 659 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: did these guys have a good season, they would say yes. 660 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: If you asked a Jets fan, and I have a 661 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 3: chat with a lot of Jet fan friends, uh, they 662 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: would say no. Like they were very disappointed in breze Hall. 663 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: The inconsistency and it wasn't even bres Hall, it was 664 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: the way he was used. But if you ask fantasy players, 665 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: this was a huge disappointment for bris Hall because there 666 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 3: was wars waged on Fantasy Twitter last summer who should 667 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 3: be the RB two, Bijon or bris Hall and then 668 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 3: he finishes as the RB sixteen and he had I 669 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: believe I don't want to get the stat wrong, but 670 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: I believe it was he had more games with single 671 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: digit carries than he did with twenty or something along 672 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: those lines, Like they just weren't using him well, they 673 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: weren't using him near the goal line. And then for 674 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, like he was, he was putting up number 675 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: He started off slow, then he put up numbers in 676 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 3: the middle of the year, and then Devonsea Adams took 677 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: over and it was extremely hit or missed, so like 678 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: I didn't have a ton of either of them on 679 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: my fantasy teams. But the bit that I did, I 680 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: was like, they're too good nut to sit, Like you 681 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: gotta start them every week. There's gonna be some weeks 682 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: where you're happy, and more often than not, though, there's 683 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of weeks where you're like I 684 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: expected better. So yeah, I I'm really curious, whethy, Like, 685 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 3: where do you guys think Hall and Wilson get drafted 686 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 3: next year? 687 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: So I was gonna I'm gonna ask, so Lakwano, you 688 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: have you have unequivalently said you are not taking a 689 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: running back in the first round, that you're you're going 690 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: to go wide receiver. Do you don't care where you're drafting, 691 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: but look, somebody is going to take running backs in 692 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: the first round. Do you envision Brice Hall being one 693 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: of those guys that shows up in the first twelve picks? 694 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 5: No, And my mock, I got him at two oh three, 695 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 5: two a four, where I think he'll live and brief 696 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 5: and this is very very early of where I got 697 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 5: him because obviously he can move up based on different situations. 698 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 5: But you literally, Marcus explained, like the numbers are good, 699 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 5: but it was a disappointing. 700 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: Show, and how are they not the Jersey Shore. 701 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 5: Like the numbers in eight gree The show's discussing it's terrible, 702 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 5: but it's entertaining. You cannot stop watching the circus. It's 703 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 5: literally the Jets. Like I just feel as though, like 704 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 5: if you're going to draft a Jets player, just whatever 705 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 5: your draft is, just put in your mind and expectations 706 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 5: that there's going to be ups and downs if Aaron 707 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 5: Rodgers is still in that building come next season, like 708 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 5: they need to blow the entire thing up, Like they 709 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 5: need to start fresh at the quarterback position. Get Davonte 710 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 5: Adams back to the Packers, since he's talking about in 711 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 5: the interviews he wants to go back to Green Bay 712 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 5: because they need a league guy. How'd you leave the 713 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 5: first place they needed you then now they're trying to 714 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 5: go back. But anyway, looking at the whole scope of it, 715 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 5: like I just feel disgusting taking Garrett Wilson or Bris 716 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 5: Hall in those first two rounds, just based on just 717 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 5: the entire circus of this past season. 718 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: What running backs do you have ahead of him and 719 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 3: what right behind him? 720 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 5: So I sayqua Bijon, Jamier Gibbs, Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry. 721 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: That is literally the argument. 722 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 5: You can't and there's a debate that you take Kyram 723 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 5: Williams over Breese Hall and it's like he ends up 724 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 5: almost RB seven. 725 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: The only one I think you could debate is Christian McCaffrey, 726 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: and that just depends on if you want to take 727 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 3: that risk or not. 728 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: That's just the injury risk. Yeah, no, it's it really 729 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: is the injury risk there. I if this is the 730 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: consensus right, which means you have Breecee Hall falling to 731 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: the second round, I can envision myself getting suckered back. 732 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 4: Into Breese Hall again. 733 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's incredibly talented. I didn't really understand the 734 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: usage for the jets of them just kind of sprinkling 735 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: in other guys in the backfield. 736 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't really understand. 737 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: You know, when we started seeing Braylan Braylan Adward, I 738 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: almost call him Braylan Edwards, Breylan Allen, you know Isaiah Davis, Like, 739 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand that. I'm but if you know, 740 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: we had a new head coach in here and maybe 741 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 1: a new play caller that's just like, hey, we're gonna 742 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: run the ball. We're gonna establish I don't even know established, 743 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: but we're gonna use Breeze Hall. Like I can see 744 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: myself getting sucked back into it. But if the going 745 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: rate is the second round, I take that. No, I'll 746 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: take that. 747 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 3: What about these so a couple of names that LQ 748 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 3: did not say that, I'm just like, I'm gonna throw, well, five, 749 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: it's five, But I think you can make a case 750 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: for all five of these names over him. Devon hn 751 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs, James Cook, Jonathan Taylor, Bucky Irving, Joe Mixon 752 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 3: there Joe Mixon in there too. 753 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 4: A yeah, So are we are? 754 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: We? Are we right now putting Breeze Hall outside the 755 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: top twelve running backs? Is he or is he right 756 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: at He's sounds like he's right at twelve right now? 757 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 3: Huh he's in that second year. That's still weird, Like 758 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 3: I'm taking JT over him. 759 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: I think I think there's a there's an honest debate 760 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: to be had about all of this. But also because 761 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm still again, I'm still kind of a 762 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 1: sucker for the talent. I just have this right now. Again, 763 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: this being mid January and there's still a long way 764 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: to go, but this feeling that Breeze Hawking ended up 765 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: being one of those you know, late second round, early 766 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: third round picks that we get to, like late October, 767 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: you're like, man, we fed up letting him fall that 768 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: fuck Like, like it just feels like it could be 769 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: that way, but you know, on the flip side, it's 770 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: the Jets, so it could just be like, yeah, man, 771 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: this was a mistake, like what are we doing? 772 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what just blew my mind looking at 773 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 3: it right now. Of the top twenty one running backs 774 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 3: in Fantasy Points, the only two to not run for 775 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 3: nine hundred yards are Breeze Hall and David Montgomery, who 776 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 3: got hurt. 777 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 4: Wow. 778 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Montgomery had the like I got hurt and 779 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm sharing with another top tier back in Jamiir Gibbs. 780 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: That sort of made sense the Breeze Hall went. I 781 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: think this year is going to be a head scratcher 782 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: for a really, really long time. You mentioned Jarrett Wilson too, 783 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean, how much of Garrett Wilson is going to 784 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: be dependent on. 785 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 4: Waves? 786 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: It everything? Play call her quarterback? Like all of that 787 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: For Garrett Wilson, Yes. 788 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 6: He also is unhappy he'd be somewhere if he goes 789 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 6: somewhere with a good quarterback. 790 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 3: I'm immediately right back in. 791 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: Will the Jets really prioritize Aaron Rodgers over Garrett Wilson? 792 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,959 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it's it's very dumb. But if any 793 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 3: if I told you eighteen wants to do it, the 794 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 3: Jets are probably the first one that come to mind. 795 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean you're right, You're right. 796 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: They'll be back to square one at quarterback. Who are 797 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: they going to bring in? Who are they going to 798 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 3: They should just play Tyrod Taylor. I think, like, this 799 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: is I this is It sounds dumb, but I've said 800 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 3: this to my Jet fan friends a lot. They should 801 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 3: sign Rex Ryan higher Rex Ryan, I've leave and give 802 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 3: him two years and just be like, look, if it 803 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 3: doesn't work out, you're gone and we're blowing everything up. 804 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 3: But like, let's see if we can make the most 805 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 3: out of this. Unless they really like Glenn and he 806 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: wants that job, but it seems like that not that 807 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 3: job is not that in demand right now, and Rex 808 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: is publicly checked. I'm like, yo, be fun at least 809 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 3: like if you're gonna be bad, be entertaining, Lake Jersey shure, Yes, 810 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 3: there you go. 811 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: I just I can't. I can't envision any right thinking 812 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: person really gonna side with a temperamental declining in skills 813 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: forty something year old quarterback over an incredibly talented soon 814 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: to be twenty five year old wide receiver. But I 815 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: also never imagine that a NFL franchise would make personnel 816 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: decisions based on Madden Rating. 817 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 4: So there you go. 818 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 3: There are the ones. Oh so you think they like 819 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 3: if Breicehall struggles as Madden rating goes down, and like 820 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 3: they get you for that, and. 821 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: Then there's like and then the Jets were like, maybe 822 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: we should have rid of this guy? Is Madden rating stinks? 823 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? 824 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 4: Just man snake eating its own tail? 825 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: Uh? Ending free agents? Tyler Conklin. My question for what 826 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: I had on the rundown just peek behind the curtain 827 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: for y'all. I was really struggling to come up with 828 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: something to talk about with the Jets, and my question 829 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: was just like, why are the Jets? 830 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 4: And I think we sort of dissected why. 831 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew that wasn't the typo by the way. 832 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a type of like I just really 833 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: didn't know what specifically to ask. 834 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 4: But it seems like we've sort of broken this link down. 835 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 5: I text you, I was like, I'm struggling to figure 836 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 5: out how to answer this question. 837 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm struggling to come up with 838 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: a questions. 839 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 4: That's what it is, all right. 840 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: The number eight pick belongs to the Carolina Panthers. They 841 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: were five and twelve h easily. What went right was 842 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: Chewba Hubbard in a year where we were all unanimous 843 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: that like, hey, man, go draft Jonathan Brooks. You might 844 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: have to wait a few weeks. Yeah, but Jonathan Brooks 845 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: is going to be the guy. I mean, Chewba Hubbard 846 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: is just he's just a seat filler. And you know 847 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: it won't It won't be too long before Brooks is 848 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: in there and Chuba Hubbard basically just stiff armed Jonathan 849 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: Brooks for most of the season. Thirteen hundred and sixty 850 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: six scrimmage yards, eleven total touchdowns, running back fourteen. Unfortunately 851 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: suffered an injury late in the season, didn't get to 852 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: finish out the year, but a phenomenal season for a 853 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: guy that we were drafting sort of as like a 854 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: hey man like, draft him. Now you have to use 855 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: it for a few weeks and eventually he'll go to 856 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: the bench and you can, I don't know, trade him, 857 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: do whatever. And it turned out that he was a 858 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 1: worthwhile starter all year long. The other thing that went 859 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: right was late season Bryce Young, But what went wrong 860 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: was the early season Bryce Young. So I mean, Lakwan, 861 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: I'll ask you, I mean, with Bryce Song, where are. 862 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 4: We what are we thinking about him? 863 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: Because even at his best, like he was kind of 864 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: a barely usable fantasy starter. This feels like one of 865 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: those things where it was encouraging, but we're still not 866 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: at hashtag good yet. 867 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not as good yet, but it's definitely one 868 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 5: of those things, like a hot take. I could say 869 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 5: right now in January that Bryce Shong will be a 870 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 5: top twelve quarterback and I say that because we saw 871 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 5: him play with confidence, him having fun out there. He 872 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 5: has weapons all around him. And I think now that 873 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 5: you know they go in the draft, they have draft pick, 874 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 5: they have stock, they can keep adding to this arsenal. 875 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 5: They can keep adding weapons around him. And John out 876 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 5: to Chuba Hubbard having the season he's had. I mean, honestly, 877 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 5: they established a run a lot and that's what open 878 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 5: up a lot for Bryce Young, having a capable running back, 879 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 5: having a capable offense that have some functionality for him 880 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 5: to go out there and ball out. But overall, I 881 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 5: like a lot of the Carolina Panthers pieces in fantasy 882 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 5: if they fall to me in drafts. I'd like Sanders 883 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 5: at the tight end position. He's young, he's up and coming. 884 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 5: I'd like obviously Chuba Hubbard, and you have Xavier Lee. 885 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 3: Get that. 886 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 5: You know he's coming along as well. So this entire 887 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 5: Panthers offense, you're just looking at it like hmm, I 888 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 5: can't wait to get these guys as flex options or 889 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 5: even like wide receiver two options. 890 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: That was gonna my next question Florida about the wide receivers, right, 891 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: because let's let's go way back to about this time 892 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: last year, maybe a little later, but Deoncey Johnson was 893 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: supposed to be the savior of this offense, right he 894 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: has he's run through three teams or three teams have 895 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: just passed him around at this point, and he's him. 896 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 897 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw flashes from Leguette, we saw a 898 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: little bit from Jalen Cocher adam feeling and it took 899 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: some pet pills or something late in it. That's metaphor 900 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: I suggesting that he was out here doing you know, drugs, 901 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,439 Speaker 1: but like had some metaphorical pet pills late in the season. 902 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 4: They gotta get going. 903 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: But like, is there anybody that you're really like super 904 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: excited about beyond say a late round flyer at this point. 905 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 3: No, But I don't believe their wide receiver one is 906 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 3: on their roster right now, or at least I don't 907 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: believe that they they wanted to be Like, I wouldn't 908 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 3: be surprised if they in the draft or or signed 909 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 3: someone or did something like that. The other thing is 910 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 3: I am a Bryce Young supporter. Look, any quarterback was 911 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 3: under six foot, I'm going to go to back but 912 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 3: Kings Unite, Yeah, exactly. And I was on Twitter a 913 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 3: lot this year being like Bryce Young is looking the 914 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 3: part in all of that. And there's a difference though 915 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 3: between playing well and being good for fantasy, and Bryce 916 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 3: Young wasn't great for fantasy as good as he was 917 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 3: playing in real life. Like you look at his game 918 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: logs from week twelve on, he topped two hundred and 919 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 3: fifty passing yards three times, and twice it was two 920 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 3: sixty three and two fifty one. Never hit three hundred routinely, 921 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 3: was around two hundred or less. So like there's room 922 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 3: for growth, there's room for optimism. I think you feel 923 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 3: very good right now if you are a Panthers fan. 924 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 3: I think the verdict on Bryce Young was way premature, 925 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 3: but not enough for me to really be bullish and 926 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 3: pull someone up the draft board from his pass kid 927 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 3: from what his past catcher group currently is. Although I 928 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 3: say that and I was the one that was pounding 929 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 3: the table last year for Deon s Johnson and Jonathan Brooks, 930 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 3: but really Deon say Johnson a whole lot. 931 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't think you were alone. I 932 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 4: think a lot of us were. 933 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, and I say this as somebody who you know, 934 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: went to you know who wrote the sleeper column and 935 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: kept going back to the Bryce Young well over and 936 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: over again late in the season, like after he came 937 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: back from getting benched, he was playing better, but it 938 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: wasn't always translating fantasy wise, right, So it's like you 939 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: looked at the matches, Hey, maybe it's a good matchup, 940 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's fourteen points, it's fifteen points, 941 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: it's twelve points. Like it was something that looked better 942 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: on the field. We talked on you know, on Tuesday, 943 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: we talked about Drake Mang and sort of said it 944 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: was a kind of you had to be there sort 945 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: of moment, and I sort of feel that way with 946 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: Bryce Young, where you know, when you watched him it 947 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: looked better, although that also might have had something to 948 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: do with how bad it looked at the start of 949 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: the season. It just wasn't a thing that really really 950 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: translated for fantasy. 951 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 3: What's wild that we're not talking about c J. Stroud 952 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 3: and how they kind of think most like I mean 953 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 3: CJ at QB eighteen, Bryce Young at twenty, Like I'm 954 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 3: just sitting here just saying, like he helped a couple 955 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 3: of people out though you're. 956 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: Right, no, I mean they sort of they sort of emerged, 957 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: They kind of came back together again this year. 958 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, like they came back together conversation, but in a 959 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 5: negative light. But I don't know, man, I'm taking the 960 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 5: flyer on Bryce Young, Like I just feel confident that 961 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 5: you know, when you do draft him, he's obviously your 962 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 5: QB two or if you're in super flexily, he's your 963 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 5: QB three. There's just some upside there. There's something that 964 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 5: we're not really seeing. Yeah, maybe you know, maybe it's 965 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 5: worth diving back. 966 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 3: Yet it was running more, which is great for him. Yeah. 967 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the rushing touchdown numbers late in the season really 968 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: helped a lot. I that's the feeling. A thing though 969 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: that I don't know is sustainable. Like, I don't know 970 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: if I'm the I want him running a whole lot, 971 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: you know. So it worked out. I just don't know 972 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: if that's a thing that comes back again next year 973 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: for sure. 974 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 4: Lay what are we doing about Jonathan Brooks? 975 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 3: Though I'm not drafting him? And I say this as 976 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,720 Speaker 3: someone who wrote an article in the summer ten Biggest 977 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 3: League Winners and had him as number one. I thought 978 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 3: he was gonna be on the Todd Gurley path, like, 979 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 3: miss the first few games of the year and then 980 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 3: maybe a game or two to get acclimated and then 981 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 3: just run wild. And it did not one. Look at 982 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 3: how they slow play, and look now in retrospect, it 983 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 3: looks like they did the right thing, but look at 984 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 3: how they slow played this last season. We didn't see 985 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 3: him return until double digit weeks and then he tore 986 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 3: his ACL later this year than he had the prior year. 987 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 3: Now it's two. I don't want to wait until week twelve. 988 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 3: Like when I tell you that Jonathan Brooks was on 989 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 3: almost every one of my rosters this year, it was 990 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 3: so annoy being like I have this spot my IR 991 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 3: team's okay, but leaves that didn't have an IR, I'm like, 992 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 3: I'm wasting a spot here. And like when the buys 993 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 3: hit an injuries start hitting, You're like, I don't want 994 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,720 Speaker 3: to drop this guy because I've already waited seven weeks, 995 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 3: but like it's the sucking cost fallacy or whatever it 996 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 3: is and stuff like that. And uh, he's more someone 997 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 3: that I could see getting drafted and then throw him 998 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 3: back on waivers or something like that. And if he does, 999 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 3: that's how I'll have him on my teams. But I'm 1000 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 3: not taking a unless I'm in a keeper league with 1001 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 3: an IR spot, I'm not gonna stash him on my 1002 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,359 Speaker 3: bench all year. 1003 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 4: Again. 1004 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the thing, Like one you have 1005 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,240 Speaker 1: this situation where suba got paid, then you have books 1006 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 1: getting hurt, so I just, yeah, it feels tough, which 1007 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: is a tough start to the season for Brooks or 1008 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,240 Speaker 1: the career, I should say for Brooks. 1009 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 4: It just makes it tough to really count on him 1010 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 4: for Fantasy. 1011 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 3: Two ACL tears in thirteen months, that is insane. 1012 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: That's brutal, just brutal, absolutely brutal. Certainly, you know, best 1013 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: wishes in his recovery and we'd love to see him 1014 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: get on the field and get some actual time there. 1015 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: So we'll see when that is going to happen. We 1016 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,439 Speaker 1: know there's going to be games on the field this week, 1017 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: the Divisional Round hits coming up on Saturday and Sunday. 1018 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: We'll take a break, come back in preview the four 1019 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: games that you expect to see this week. 1020 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 4: That's next on the NFL Fantasy Football Show. 1021 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: We are through the Wildcard round. We are onto the 1022 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: Divisional Round. Four games on DAP this week, just a 1023 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,720 Speaker 1: quick preview as we get ready to wrap up the show. 1024 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: We'll start with the Texans and the Chiefs and Kawani last, 1025 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: because look, the Texans defense has been really the thing 1026 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of keeping this team afloat for much of the 1027 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: year because CJ. Stroud, We've talked about plenty of times, 1028 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: has been very inconsistent. The offense lost two big pieces 1029 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: with Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell, Joe Mixon kind of 1030 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: faded down the stretch. So can they Texans defense do 1031 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: enough to disrupt the Chiefs offense because it feels like 1032 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: that's really the only way they can win. 1033 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1034 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 5: I mean the Texans defense, they're disciplined, They're one of 1035 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 5: the best defenses in the league. They had an amazing 1036 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 5: regular season in the stats, I mean, top of the 1037 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 5: table when it comes to delivering pressure, getting sacks and 1038 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 5: creating turnovers and taking the ball away. But they're going 1039 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 5: against the God of Mischief Loki. They're going against pat 1040 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 5: To Mahomes. So we're calling him now, Yeah, he's Loki, man. 1041 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 5: He is creative, he adapts to every situation. He's unpredictable. 1042 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 5: He's one of those quarterbacks you just can't count out. 1043 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 5: And that sounds exactly like Loki, who finds his way 1044 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 5: clean out of any situation. He adapts to the God 1045 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 5: of mischief. Man, this is Loki they're going up against. 1046 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 5: And are you really going to bet against Patrick Mahomes 1047 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 5: as good as his text defenses, Like, I think they 1048 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 5: will be disruptive, but it's Patrick Mahomes at the end. 1049 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,439 Speaker 3: Of the day. 1050 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: So the difference is like Loki started off as kind 1051 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: of a bad guy with him, by. 1052 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,240 Speaker 4: The end it kind of come around. 1053 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: It was sort of working like with the Avengers, I 1054 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: would say, Mahomes has kind of gone the other way, 1055 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: where like at the beginning. 1056 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,479 Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, this is kind of fine, Will 1057 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:03,959 Speaker 4: and now. 1058 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: It's just like, no, man, I've had enough done like that. 1059 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: That's the that's the only that's the only difference I 1060 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: would have with that one there. But yeah, I get 1061 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: the Census could be a lower scoring game. I mean, 1062 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, because the Chiefs offense is starting 1063 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: to come online. They just kept getting guys back and 1064 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: adding pieces and getting healthier and you know, starting to 1065 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: figure some things out. We know their defense is very 1066 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: good against a questionable Texans offense. I really think the 1067 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: Texans have to force some turnovers and and try to 1068 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: set up short fields as much as possible to stay 1069 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: in this game. 1070 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 4: Otherwise it you know, I don't know. 1071 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: There's no way I think the Texans can score with 1072 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 1: the Chiefs and try to go back and forth that 1073 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: way and be successful. 1074 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 3: How how do you guys feel about because we've seen 1075 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,879 Speaker 3: we saw this game the week before Christmas, So like, 1076 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 3: how do you feel about when it's two non divisional 1077 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 3: opponents matching up for a second time, because we had 1078 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 3: it twice last weekend and the Commanders beat the Bucks, 1079 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 3: which happened flip, but then the Rams beat the Vikings again, 1080 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,359 Speaker 3: so like we it was split results there. 1081 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: I think when the teams are a little bit closer together, 1082 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: Like I just think there's a big gap between the 1083 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: Texans and the Chiefs, right like I think I think 1084 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: with Bucks and Commanders, you could make a case that 1085 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: they were a little more evenly matched. I think the Rams, 1086 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 1: after that bad start, the one and four start, like, 1087 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: the Rams were one of the best teams in the 1088 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: league the rest of the season, So I think you 1089 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: could make the case that you know that it was 1090 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: possible that that could happen. 1091 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,240 Speaker 4: I didn't think they would. 1092 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,320 Speaker 1: I think they would blow them out, blow out the 1093 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: Vikings the way they did it, But I could believe 1094 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: that they would win. 1095 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,760 Speaker 4: I just don't think. 1096 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: I think the gap between the tie the Texans and 1097 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: the Chiefs is. 1098 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 4: Too big for that thing. 1099 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of the Commanders, Florio Commanders at Lions, like 1100 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: the commander defense is good, not necessarily great the Lions 1101 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: defense even with all the injuries. 1102 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 4: I mean, shout out. 1103 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,399 Speaker 1: To Aaron Glenn for keeping this group together and having 1104 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: them continue to be productive. This feels like one I 1105 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,760 Speaker 1: said that I don't think the Texans can outscore the Chiefs. 1106 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: Does Jaden Daniels have to outscore the Lions? Does he 1107 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,360 Speaker 1: have to try to match Jared goffin the Lions for 1108 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: the Commanders to win this thing? 1109 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 3: Yes, if they're going to win unique and this is 1110 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 3: out before the Lions played the Vikings. One thing I 1111 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 3: kept saying on Twitter was like, yeah, everyone could point 1112 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 3: out how bad the Lions defense is and how many 1113 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 3: players they're missing and all of this stuff, you still 1114 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 3: have to outrun them in a track race. And one 1115 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,440 Speaker 3: team was able to do that, the Buffalo Bills. But 1116 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 3: besides that, every team has come up short. And this 1117 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 3: is gonna be a wacky game where I keep joking, 1118 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna see any field goals. I 1119 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 3: don't thin we're gonna see any punts. I think it's 1120 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,839 Speaker 3: just gonna be touchdowns or turnovers and that's it. But yeah, 1121 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 3: Jaden's gonna have to go out there and put up 1122 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 3: thirty something points and I as much as I love 1123 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, I would be shocked if the Commanders pulled 1124 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 3: this one off because the Commanders did have a lot 1125 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 3: of bounces go their way in season and even this 1126 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 3: past week against the Bucks. Like you could argue that 1127 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 3: they cost themselves a lot of points by being overly aggressive, 1128 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,280 Speaker 3: and you could also argue that if Baker doesn't fumble 1129 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 3: the ball late, they don't win this game. So if 1130 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 3: the margin of error is that close against the Bucks, 1131 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 3: good luck going into Detroit, which I think is going 1132 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 3: to be of all the venues this weekend, I think 1133 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 3: Detroit is going to have the biggest impact. 1134 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 4: It's going to be insane. 1135 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah at Ford Field, I mean, the Lions are the 1136 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: one seed they had to buy. The fan base has 1137 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: been hungry for ever, I mean literally ever. This is 1138 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: their moment. Like it's going to be a really, really 1139 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: tough place to play. I would say in that regard, 1140 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: if I'm the Commanders, I just say to hell with it, 1141 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 1: right because everything is stacked together. I know, I know, 1142 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's the shirts stuff out there that say 1143 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: Detroit versus everybody, But like the Lions would kind of 1144 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: become America's team right now, the commanders, like, you're going 1145 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,879 Speaker 1: in there, nobody expects you to win. You know you were, 1146 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 1: you were excited to get your first win against Tampa. 1147 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 1: I go in there, I just say, to hell with it, 1148 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: Like nobody expects anything from us. Let's just play loose, 1149 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: let's get crazy, let's get nuts, and let's see if 1150 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: maybe we can shock the world a little bit. 1151 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,720 Speaker 4: I think that's sort of we'll see. 1152 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,720 Speaker 1: Lakwan Rams at Eagles. Your guys are on the road, 1153 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: like actually on the road, like an actual road game 1154 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: as a post, like the neutral site game they played 1155 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,839 Speaker 1: last week. I mean, I think we know a lot 1156 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: about the offenses, but as I was looking at this game, 1157 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: it really feels like it's the offensive lines versus the 1158 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: defensive lines, and the Rams have been so successful because 1159 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: they've been able to get pressure on quarterbacks, whether it's 1160 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: Verse Fisk, all those guys up front. Literally, the Eagles 1161 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 1: are going to try to get after Matthew Stafford. Who 1162 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: wins that battle between you know, the old lines and 1163 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: the d lines there. 1164 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 3: Wow. 1165 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 5: I mean, when I saw this question, I'm like, I 1166 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 5: really want to be unbiased. I want to be honest 1167 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 5: and honestly, I just think it's going to be the 1168 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 5: Rams are going to win on both sides of the trenches. 1169 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 5: I feel like na Kobe Dean being out that's a huge, 1170 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 5: huge factor for us. That's a good win for us 1171 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 5: because look, Matthew Stafford was sacked five times. That was 1172 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,359 Speaker 5: tied of seasonne you know the Cardinals were the other 1173 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 5: team to do it. But you're looking at Nacobe Dean 1174 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 5: the amount of disruption that he causing that game. Him 1175 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 5: not being on the field is a plus for us, 1176 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 5: and I think we can get the bonehead mistakes out 1177 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,759 Speaker 5: with the penalties out of the way. Bo Limmer, you 1178 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 5: know he's stepping up being at the young guy he 1179 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 5: is in the center, holding down in the trenches and 1180 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 5: protect Matthew Stafford now on the defensive side of the trenches. 1181 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 5: I don't care about pressure this game. Do not have 1182 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,760 Speaker 5: Jared Vers going off the edge, going at the Jalen Hurts. 1183 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 5: I want you to cover the edge, just stuffed the middle. 1184 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,799 Speaker 5: You got Braden Fist there, you got Kobe Turner there 1185 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 5: that will just genuinely get after Jail and hurt and 1186 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 5: create their own natural pressure. We need to sustain Saquon 1187 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 5: Barkley like, for the next twenty four hours, I need 1188 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,479 Speaker 5: Sean McVay to lock itself in the room and watch 1189 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 5: the Eagles film. But then for the next seventy two hours, 1190 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,920 Speaker 5: you watch Saquon Barkley up to the whistle to stop him, 1191 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 5: because that needs to be the game plan, the only 1192 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 5: game plan for us to come out as winners in 1193 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 5: the trenches. 1194 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all fair. 1195 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think the defense that does 1196 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: a better job of disrupting the quarterback is going to 1197 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,360 Speaker 1: be the team that wins. I mean, it sounds simple, 1198 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,919 Speaker 1: but I think that's really going to be the case. 1199 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: If if the Rams can get to Jalen Hurts, who 1200 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: was not great last week, if they can get to him, 1201 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: I think I think they have a chance to win. 1202 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,840 Speaker 1: If you know, the Eagles can find a way to 1203 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: make life rough on Matthew Stafford, and I think they win. 1204 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I think it's that simple because 1205 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 1: I think I think the quarterbacks are fairly even. I 1206 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 1: think the you know, the skill position guys. I don't 1207 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: think there's one giant advantage to one side or another. 1208 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,360 Speaker 1: There's really gonna be about the guys up front that 1209 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: make the difference in this game, yeah, last one and 1210 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,360 Speaker 1: the Marquee game. At least on paper of the weekend 1211 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,720 Speaker 1: Ravens at Bills, it appears that Florida will be watching 1212 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 1: from his couch in the western part of Los Angeles. Obviously, 1213 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: I know the story is the quarterbacks, right, it's Lamar 1214 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: Jackson versus Josh Allen. But taking those guys aside, who 1215 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 1: or what do you think is the biggest X factor 1216 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: in this game? 1217 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 3: I think there's two. One is more of a football 1218 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 3: thing and one is not. I think the football thing 1219 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 3: is how the Bills handle the Ravens running backs. Because 1220 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 3: Derek Henry went for two hundred yards and two touchdowns 1221 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 3: should have been three, he literally fumbled the third one 1222 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 3: that got recovered in the end zone. And then when 1223 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 3: they played in Week four. But what I think it's 1224 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 3: overlooked in that game is Justice Hill had six catches 1225 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 3: for seventy eight yards and a touchdown. And the Bills 1226 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 3: have struck against pass catching running backs all years. So 1227 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 3: if you get Dereck Henry running downhill and then Justice 1228 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 3: Hill beating you out of the backfield as a pass catcher, 1229 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 3: it's going to be a very, very long day for 1230 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 3: the Bills. If you can bottle those guys up, I 1231 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,240 Speaker 3: think things will go the Bills way because it then 1232 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 3: takes me to my not so much X as a 1233 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 3: o's factor, which is the mental side of it. 1234 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 4: One. 1235 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,760 Speaker 3: This is going to be the coldest game that Derrick 1236 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,439 Speaker 3: Henry and Lamar Jackson have ever played in, and it's 1237 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 3: not all that close. It's also Lamar Jackson has never 1238 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 3: in his career thrown a passing touchdown on the road 1239 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,400 Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Granted he's only played two road playoff games. 1240 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 3: But I think if whoever comes out and takes charge 1241 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 3: first is going to win this game. Because if you're 1242 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 3: the Bills and you score first, now the Ravens, especially 1243 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 3: if you could take like a two score lead, let's 1244 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 3: say by some chance you have like they can't just 1245 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 3: run downhill with Dereck Henry and they have to try 1246 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 3: to come back on the in those cold elements potentially 1247 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 3: without Ze Flowers. Meanwhile, if you are the Ravens and 1248 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 3: you jump out to an early lead, now you just 1249 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 3: you grind the clock with Derek Henry, that opens up 1250 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 3: everything for Lamar's legs and everything, and they'll just bully 1251 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,800 Speaker 3: the Bills. They will they have more, they're bigger on 1252 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 3: offense and the Bills are on defense, and we've seen 1253 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 3: them do it all year long. If they get out 1254 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,919 Speaker 3: to a lead, they play bullyball, and they are the 1255 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 3: best in the NFL at playing bullyball. So the way 1256 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 3: to prevent them from doing that is by scoring early. 1257 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 3: So I think the running backs are the big football thing, 1258 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 3: but even more so, I think how the teams handle 1259 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 3: the weather and who scores, who takes charge first, I 1260 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,120 Speaker 3: think is gonna have a huge impact on this game. 1261 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying if they can figure out how 1262 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 1: to bottle up Dereck Henry and Justice Hill, which. 1263 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 4: I get it. 1264 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,919 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not wrong. That is way easier said 1265 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,800 Speaker 1: than done. I mean, there are how many teams out 1266 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,440 Speaker 1: there who who have been trying to do that and 1267 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 1: have unsuccessful at it. 1268 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,520 Speaker 4: And I looked at it last Yeah. Uh, I mean 1269 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 4: I look. 1270 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: At last week though with the Steelers, and after that game, 1271 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, a reporter asked Lamar Jackson about how the 1272 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Steelers were trying to stop you know, the the option 1273 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: there with the with Derek Henry and Lamar and he said, 1274 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 1: were you surprised that they gave you so much running room, 1275 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and Lamar was like, no, He's like, honestly, he's I 1276 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: thought they defended it. Well, you know they had they 1277 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: had JJ Watt or a TJ Watt rather, you know, 1278 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,720 Speaker 1: trying to crash down and they had, you know, different schemes. 1279 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: He's like, we just outplayed them. You know, it wasn't. 1280 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't because you know, they had a bad idea 1281 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: or a bad plan. 1282 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 2: Uh. 1283 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: And that is sort of where Lamar Jackson is kind 1284 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,520 Speaker 1: of that X factor where you can do everything right 1285 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: and then Lamar just goes Lamar on you and there's 1286 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,120 Speaker 1: nothing you can really do about it, you know. I 1287 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 1: think I saw a quote, I think Sean McDermot saw 1288 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 1: the quote from earlier this week that was just like, 1289 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: Lamar is a one of one, you know, he said, 1290 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: we'll try our best to kind of approximate that in practice, 1291 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: but you can't really do that because there's just nobody 1292 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 1: out there like Lamar Jackson. But similarly, and a lot 1293 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: of Josh Allen's out there either too. 1294 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,080 Speaker 3: Which team do you think could survive their quarterback not 1295 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 3: playing their best? Because I think it's an easy answer. 1296 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's the Ravens that can more. 1297 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,200 Speaker 3: Survive, which is why. 1298 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, if if Josh Allen doesn't played well, I think 1299 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 4: the Bills are cooked. 1300 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 3: If you're telling me that the Ravens have could beat 1301 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 3: the Bills on the road without Lamar playing well and 1302 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 3: they are favorites, I'm like, how is MVP of really 1303 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 3: an argument? But I know it, But come on, man, Like, 1304 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 3: I think that narrative alone defeats everything. Like if you're 1305 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 3: telling me one guy could play bad and still win 1306 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 3: and the other has no chance, one guy means more 1307 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:48,920 Speaker 3: to this team. 1308 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 4: I you know what, it is a strong argument. 1309 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:53,439 Speaker 3: Like that. 1310 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 4: It is a strong argument, A strong argument. 1311 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Indeed, I should be a lot of fun this weekend, 1312 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. We'll be back next week to 1313 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,520 Speaker 1: kind of recap some of that and continue along with 1314 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 1: the exit interviews as well. We will get through picks 1315 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: nine through twelve coming up next Tuesday, So that should 1316 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun as well. So in the 1317 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: meantime though, that'll do it for this edition of the 1318 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,120 Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, save and healthy. 1319 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 4: Do good and live well. 1320 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend, enjoy the football, everybody, and we will 1321 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,480 Speaker 1: talk to you again next week.