1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress, 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: they're still going. Hey, everybody, can you believe it's this 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: is wild? We were in a new decade, and as 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: we kick off the new year, I wanted to start 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: with something that could potentially impact the health decisions that 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: you make. Dr Zach Bush is brilliant and his work 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: provides insights into human health and longevity. He's one of 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the few Triple Board certified physicians in the country with 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: an expertise and internal medicine, androchronology, metabolism, and palliative care. 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: I was so excited to have him on the show 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: to talk about his work. Are Microbiomes, the benefits of 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: being in nature, regenerative farming and how it could save 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: us from a climate crisis, and so much more. Enjoy. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to be with you and your whole audience. 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm very excited, um, and this is fun. I think 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: for people there, I'd imagine that listeners at home, uh 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: saw you announced today and thought, oh, they were there. 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Are they related? You know Dr Bush and and me, 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: but no we're not. But we talked about it before 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: we started recording. How you and I have a bit 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 1: of an inverse story. I wanted to be a doctor, 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: round up becoming an actor. You never wanted to be 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: a doctor, and now you are a doctor. And I'm 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: curious sort of about your story. You know, we can 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: get into big ideas, and you have such a wealth 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: of knowledge about health and food systems. But were you 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: who were you as a kid? You know who? Who 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: was Zach at ten? What did you want to be? 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: And how did you wind up here? Super introverted kid? 33 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Growing up? I was super shy, grew up in low 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: income housing and outside of Boulder, Colorado, a couple of 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: hippie parents, and uh, they were lovely to to grow 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: up around. Um. One of the things that I recently 37 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: realized UM in another interview, was that I didn't know 38 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: what it looked like for a long time. I went, 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: I think kids are so used to knowing exactly what 40 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: they look like, and they're taking selfies all the time 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: and there, but growing up in the in the in 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: the early seventies, like there weren't full length mirrors everywhere 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: especially in low income housing, there weren't weren't mirrors, and 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: so when you're three ft tall, there's no access to 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: a typical mirror, and nobody's got cameras. You know, you're 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: you might see a few snapshots a year of yourself 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: or something like that. But I'm realizing now that I 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: think I went through all my formative years not really 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: realizing what I looked like, and so the who who 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: was I was very much an internal process, and maybe 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: more so for being an introvert, I always had kind 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: of one one best friend, and um my best friend 53 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 1: Jake was with me from birth basically all the way 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: through like age twelve. And then I had another like 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: little group of you know, five friends that took me 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: all the way through college. And so very few people 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: had an influence on my my little micro world there. 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: But the way in which especially my core friends and 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: junior high in high school affected me was we weren't 60 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: even regarded as nerds. We were actually not even very 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: good at school. We were mostly mechanics, and so we 62 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: spent all our time in our garages building cars and 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: four wheel drives and all this stuff. And I was 64 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: so passionate about building stuff and and kind of making 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: things work better. And so that became my passion and decided. 66 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: By the time I was forced to decide to go 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to college by a society's social structure, I think I 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: probably would have put that off if there hadn't been 69 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the social pressure, because I was having so much fun. 70 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: I loved my my sixteen through twenty ages of like 71 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: just building and we were racing and we were doing 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: all the fun, fun stuff. But I went through a 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: bit of a crisis of you know, heartbreak, first girlfriend 74 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: when I was senior in high school. And you can 75 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: only be that dramatic as a senior in high school. 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: I think to think that all my heart stilly broken 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: and all of this. But I went on to I 78 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: decided I need to take a year off from college. 79 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: And I had been heading towards engineering and robotics because 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: I knew how to build things. And a couple of 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: minutes after deciding that to take a year off, and 82 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: aunt called from the Philippines and said, hey, we need 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: some help in the Philippines delivering babies. Would you be 84 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: willing to come help? And I was like, holy cow, 85 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: I just decided to take some time off. So I 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: worked in a tire shop for six months making money 87 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: to make that trip happen, and got over to the 88 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: Philippines and completely changed my whole life. The first time 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: I saw a baby born in the squads of the Philippines, 90 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: it just it was the first time I had seen 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a spiritual event happened in a physical body that changed everything. 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: And nothing I had ever learned before seemed relevant after that, 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: and the idea of going back into robotics seemed completely 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: lifeless compared to what I had seen these these babies doing. 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: And these are babies being born in malnutrition, and you know, 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: most of them dying very early in age, if not 97 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: within hours at birth, but struggling to for life. And 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: one of the big lessons I found out of that 99 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: is that at the most fabric level of what humanity is, 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: we have this potent drive for life and we don't want, 101 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: we won't let go of it. Like it doesn't matter 102 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: how hopeless the financial situation is, or the social impossibilities 103 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: of survival are, or the physical stressors that are coming 104 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: at us. There is this innate drive for life that 105 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: is in somehow the fabric of a cell. And fast 106 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: forward a couple of decades later looking at our microscopes 107 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: of cancer cells, which are the most damaged cells in 108 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: the body. They have this irrepressible drive for life and 109 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: they don't even know why, you know, I think there's 110 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: just this like sense of we got to survive. And 111 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: so while we're at this tipping point in human history 112 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: where we can literally look at our own extinction with 113 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: some objective numbers coming up in the you know, in 114 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: less than a hundred years, it's really interesting to think 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: of what are we gonna do when we're faced with 116 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: mass extinction? What are we gonna do when when life 117 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: starts to disappear on the planet, and I think we're 118 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: gonna rise, We're going to rise to reflect these babies 119 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: being born in the most oppressed situations you could imagine 120 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: with this verve for life, that these kids, by the 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: time there two or three are running around with giant 122 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: smiles on their face, with joy in their hearts, and 123 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: they have no idea that they're impoverished. I can really 124 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: touch that, like growing up relatively poor and everything else, 125 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: I had no idea like you're just a happy kid 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: and and you love life and you don't you don't 127 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: care what you look like you don't know what you 128 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: look like, You're just having so much fun with your people, 129 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: and so you're a couple of friends are giving you 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: just this deep sense of joy, And I yearned for 131 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: that for humanity, Like, wouldn't be wonderful if we could 132 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: have childlike joy of just like the few of us 133 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: sitting in this room right now, of like if I 134 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: could really see each of you for who you are, 135 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: we would all burst out in tears with joy, just 136 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: because it's so beautiful. It's so awesome that you guys 137 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: are each alive, and that we have the capacity to 138 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: be together seven a half billion people on the planet 139 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and this is the room we end up in today. 140 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: That's precious. That's amazing, that's incredible. I don't think a 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of people would expect that sort of spiritual perspective 142 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: from a doctor of deep science. And it's kind of 143 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: amazing to me when I hear you talk about things 144 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: like this, that this path almost it seems to me 145 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: like a path to humanity. Your experience watching babies be 146 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: born is what led you to this path of medicine, 147 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: and that really they're meant to support each other. But 148 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: so often I think we we separate. I think you're right. 149 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: I think that there's a bit of a brainwashing effect 150 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: of education period. I think that education the way that 151 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: we've designed it in Western nations takes their creative and 152 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: spiritual component out, and we're left with a very linear 153 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: thought process, and that's neither helpful for the evolution of 154 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: our consciousness or our our daily survival really, and so 155 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to see what we do with our educational 156 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: systems when the current paradigm is in such blatant collapse 157 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: that we can't can no longer ignore it. Yeah, what 158 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: was it that made you decide to go to medical school? 159 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: To flip the idea of education for you from engineering? 160 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, you have this experience in the Philippines, and 161 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: then what happens do you have to come home and 162 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: sort of start over it at the university level. I 163 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: had a start over I and I didn't really want 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: to be a doctor at all, because I never associated 165 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: myself as a good student. My sister was kind of 166 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: the brains of the family, and and so I'd always 167 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: kind of grown up under the shadow of her phenomenal grades. 168 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: And you know, she just seems to just ace everything. 169 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: She touched, and I always kind of struggled to be 170 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: a B plus student, and so I just didn't see 171 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: myself as academic, and so I thought that doctor was 172 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: totally out of reach, and then started in thinking I 173 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: could maybe be a nurse or shortly thereafter, I found 174 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: out about this thing called a nurse practitioner, which, because 175 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: at that time in the early nights, was totally new 176 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: field kind of coming on. So I was like, how 177 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: maybe I could be a nurse practitioner and kind of 178 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: work my way in there. And I was working in 179 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: a landscaping company throughout college to kind of pay my 180 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: way through. And I was fixing a sprinkler Maine. I 181 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: was about six ft deep in a hole that me 182 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: and my buddy had dug and where we're literally head 183 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: to toe in my and he was a paramedic and 184 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: I was an e M T at the time, and 185 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: he said, you should just go ahead and just be 186 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: a doctor. It's only like one more year past being 187 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: a nurse practitioner or something, and you should just do that. 188 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: It turns out he had no idea what it meant 189 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: to educate as a doctor. Neither did I. So I 190 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: thought that one more year didn't sound bad. In the end, 191 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: I spent seventeen extra years and in higher education that 192 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: I didn't see coming, so it turned out to be 193 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: a very long pathway. But I think it was this 194 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: extraordinary experience of seeing babies born, then getting into this 195 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: heavy belief that Western medicine hands us that we could 196 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: fix everything. And I loved fixing things, and so that 197 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: mechanic kind of part of me was really checked all 198 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: the box as if I could actually fix blood pressure 199 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: and I could fix blood sugar. And as soon as 200 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: I started medical school, which took me a while, I 201 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't get into medical so the first year I applied 202 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: got in the second year, and in my just first 203 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: weeks of medicine, the education system was much different than 204 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: anything I've ever seen before. It a systems thinking instead 205 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: of these compartmentalized approaches, and my brain turned out did really, 206 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: really well in systems thinking, and I started to be 207 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: able to put together a three dimensional picture of life 208 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: and what what it meant. And there was lots of 209 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: experience in the Philippines that fed into that early experience 210 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: that I think put me way ahead of my colleagues 211 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: who hadn't had that opportunity actually see birth and life 212 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: before they started doing all the memorization, and so I 213 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: think I had that spiritual touch of of watching life 214 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: emerge from you know, object poverty and desperate things, and 215 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that memory of that shaped shaped me as a doctor 216 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: early on. But I did get completely brainwashed by by 217 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: the time it was like two thousand and six seven. 218 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: At this point I had finished subspecialties and internal medicine 219 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: and endochronology and metabolism. And in my field of endochronology 220 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: metabolism which studies hormones and the way in which we 221 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: produced fuel in our bodies, the metabolism part, I got 222 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: into cancer research. And in that journey I was starting 223 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: to chemotherapy from from novel compounds derived from vitamin A 224 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: and and some of these nutritional compounds, and that would 225 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: ultimately be the slippery slope towards nutrition for me. And 226 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: I was taught no nutrition and in medical school we 227 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: had one short course that basically taught us the food pyramid, 228 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: which is useless, and and we moved on. But uh 229 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: that journey into under the microscope and my journey through 230 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: hospital care as an intromus and doc. You you oversea hospitals, 231 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: and I spent so many hours in ice use. You know, 232 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: I was working, and you know I topped out about 233 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: a hundred twenty hours a week at the at the 234 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: peak of my training. And so when you're in a 235 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: hospital hundred twenty hours a week and you're surrounded by 236 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: dying people constantly, it's an opportunity to again transform that 237 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: same experience I had watching a child be born was 238 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: happening in these last few minutes of life, and so 239 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: watching people die completely changed my perspective on my spirituality. 240 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Grew up in a really cool kind of Christian church Boulder, Colorado, 241 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: kind of checked all the boxes of relatively open minded, 242 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: but it got a really good fundamental education and through 243 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: my church of religious history, spiritual history, of humanity and 244 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: all of that, and it started to break apart, and 245 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: like the box that I had created my my God 246 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: view in and my my personal world view and started 247 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: shatter apart. In the i c u. S sitting with 248 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: patients of all different walks of life, atheists to Southern 249 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: Baptist preachers dying and then being resuscitated, and hearing on 250 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: the other side of that veil that they were all 251 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: getting the same treatment. On the other side they were 252 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: all welcomed into this space where they were fully accepted 253 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: and and they felt this radiant love, you know, permeating 254 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: their being. And then they had pound on their chest 255 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: and pump drugs into them, and they'd come back into 256 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: the body and report this. And with enough of that 257 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: iterations that started to challenge what I was seeing under 258 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: the microscop copes of cellular structure, to say, what's behind 259 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: all of that? You know, there's this zero point zero 260 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: zero one of the world that we live in, which 261 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: is solid. The of our reality is vacuum space, and 262 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: that's based on the structure of an atom, which is 263 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: all vacuum, and then zero point zero zero one solid, 264 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: and so our fabric is vacuum. And that vacuum is 265 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: not empty. It's actually full to the to the fullest 266 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: degree of the word full, like it is packed with 267 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: life in this thing that we call the electromagnetic field 268 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: or resonance or light. And so the fact that we 269 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: are literally light beings is pretty fascinating it and it 270 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: should quickly inform us that are what do we think 271 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: are the priorities of the stressors in our life today 272 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: are very physical and are missing the marks severely on 273 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: our opportunity to understand who we are and where we're going. Wow. Wow, 274 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: that's I'm just sitting with that for a moment. Thank you. 275 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: What a wild thing to be reminded of, to your point, 276 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: a spiritual idea by science, We're right there, that's the 277 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: exciting thing about I'm just so freaking grateful to be 278 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: alive right now. I can't believe that I got out 279 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: of two years of Homo sapiens. I got to show 280 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: up right now and I got to be witness to 281 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: this explosion of awareness. And I think that's where we're 282 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: at right now. We have human awareness on the level 283 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: we've never had it, and now we have an opportunity 284 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: to apply that to consciousness. And awareness is not the 285 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: same as consciousness, and I think every day I'm more 286 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: aware of that. You know, no matter how many statistics 287 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: I know, or no matter how much data I craham 288 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: in my head, that will never equal consciousness. And so 289 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: we have to make this. We have to let go 290 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: of awareness, which has been a great expansion of our 291 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: our reality, and we need to welcome in consciousness, which 292 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: takes on a fifth or seventeenth dimension kind of characteristic. 293 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: It means that in awareness, you're simply an observer of 294 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: much activity and consciousness. You I think we have the 295 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: capability to become a co creator, and I think we 296 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: are being called into our spiritual potential to co create 297 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: life in a much more profound way than being a 298 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: passive portal for babies coming through our birth canals, births 299 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: or something like that is our unintentional like we're like 300 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: unintentionally participating in life right now. With our procreation and 301 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: with the rest of our activities, we suck life out 302 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: of this planet to its own detriment and to its 303 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: own extinction. And so obviously, what everything we've learned, all 304 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: of our technology, all of our products, are not moving 305 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: us towards life. It's moving us away from life. We've 306 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: seen a fifty drop in sperm counts in Western countries, 307 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: some of them as high as fifty eight percent in 308 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: just the last just my short lifetime, you know, And 309 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: so we're on track to hit of males infertile in 310 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: the next thirty or forty years. And if we do that, 311 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, we said, we will see the collapse of 312 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: our our species for sure, and then we'll be on 313 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: track to go extinct in the next seventy eighty years. 314 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: If we don't make this critical shift from awareness too consciousness, 315 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: and if we're gonna do that, everything's gonna look different. 316 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: Our relationships will obviously look much much different if we 317 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: go into this without some fairy tale belief that oh, 318 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna, you know, just everything's gonna we'll have the 319 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: big house, we'll have to kids, and we'll have the cars, 320 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: and we'll have this stuff, and we'll they'll go to 321 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: great colleges and all that. Instead, d program all those 322 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: children that are coming out right now and say, what 323 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: would it look like if you could be a spiritual, 324 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: co creative being with the universe and you are a 325 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: light being? And you know, Einstein and everyone since then 326 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: have shown us that a light part light can either 327 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: be a wave which is what fills the electromagnetic field 328 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: or the vacuum space, or it could be a particle, 329 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: and it can be that simultaneously, which is very weird. 330 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: And so what's happening when a child is born is 331 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: a light being, a wave form that is tuned to 332 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: its specific wavelength of self identity is suddenly coming into 333 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: a particle moment, and in a particle moment, you have 334 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: different properties, you can you can change matter around you 335 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: in different ways. And so all this talk on social 336 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: media and coaches and energy guides and everybody else that's 337 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: kind of emerged in these recent decades have popularized something 338 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: called man manifestation. We have the power to manifest or 339 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: you should set in your intention. If I could imbue 340 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: your audience and listeners here with anything, it'd be just 341 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: to tell you how literal that is. Like you as 342 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: a particle being, you've you have this light energy fabric 343 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: and you are in a particle state, which means you 344 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: can literally shift the matter around you. And that happen 345 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: with a hug, that happens, with a kind word. That happens. 346 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: You can change physical structures around you. And we now 347 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: have the science figuring out how that's done. And it's 348 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: through the genome, which is so amazing. Our genes that 349 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: are passed on for mom and dad and all of that, 350 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: they seem seemed so static to us historically, but they 351 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: are extremely malleable. We are so plastic as a species. 352 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: We are arguably the most plastic of species in regards 353 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: to our genome. Only one and a half percent of 354 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: our entire gene content within our body, which is a 355 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: huge amount of information. Only one and a half percent 356 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: actually codes for a gene that will become a solid 357 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: protein that would go do work in your body to 358 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: build you today. The other ninety eight point five percent 359 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: of that genome is this plastic information that's that produces 360 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: something called micro rna. And the micro rna actually can 361 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: leave our bodies that it can leave in our sweat, 362 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: can leave in our breath, it can leaving our urine, 363 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: our stool, and and so we're exuding this extraordinary amount 364 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: of information about what we're experiencing and thinking right now, 365 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: and by doing that, that micro rna goes into the 366 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: blood stream of other organisms or into bacteria or whatever 367 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: it is, and it changes their genome in the same way. 368 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: We now know that the micro rna from the other 369 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: outside of human is shaping us. And so some thirty 370 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: of the micro rna in my blood stream right this 371 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: second is actually from the bacteria and fungi in my 372 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: gut and sinuses skin, And I'm being influenced and dictated 373 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: in the body that I built today by those microorganisms. 374 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: So a bacteria is literally, in its particle moment, capable 375 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: of changing the body I build today, how much more 376 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: so would a seventy trillion celled human organism be able 377 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: to change its environment? And that's not just build a 378 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: different house, it's literally build a different body. The genome 379 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: that we now have understanding of could build four million 380 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: different bodies out of the genes you have been sitting 381 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: there right now. And so if you feel stuck in 382 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: your body, if you feel like you're chronically ill, or 383 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: you're you feel like you're depressed, or whatever it is, 384 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to build four millions of different 385 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: versions of yourself. And you do that by interacting with 386 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: the particle state of being alive differently. And I can 387 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: start with who are you really? You are not your name, 388 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: you are not you're You're an ancient wave form. You 389 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: are an ancient life light creature, if you will, that 390 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: has now come into a particle moment that we're calling human. 391 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: But that's just a figure of lexicon at this point. Literally, 392 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: we are these white light beings that are having this 393 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: particle moment that are influencing all life on Earth. Something 394 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: I find so fascinating about the way that you talk 395 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: about the universe and the way that it co creates 396 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: and how that's these big spiritual ideas are supported by 397 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: the science that you're talking about. You know, we're talking 398 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: about genomes and hormones and methylicition and uh neurons and atoms. 399 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: How do you start making these big connections that you 400 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: speak so eloquently about today when you're in, as you said, 401 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: seventeen years of medical school because you studied three different 402 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: would it be subspecialties? Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think 403 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, there's a constant conflict between the physical knowledge 404 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: base and the spiritual experience, you know, and so at 405 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: some point those if those resolved themselves, then I think 406 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: we would get ourselves to a hyper intelligence. You know, 407 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: if we could resolve the belief that somehow the physical 408 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: data around us is different than the spiritual experience, that 409 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that's within that or behind that we're intentioning all of that, 410 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: that's when there's the shift from awareness to consciousness will 411 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: likely happen, it seems. And so I'm in true that 412 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: science is definitely maturing to the point where I can 413 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: see past the atomic structure. We've been so married to 414 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: the physical belief in all of this, of there is 415 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: a a cell that's powered by you know, mitochondria, and 416 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: there's fuel for that, and there's biochemistry involved, and then 417 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: there is atomic physics and we all agree on that 418 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: and because so there's atoms and atoms can group together 419 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: to make all of these different things on the periodic 420 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: charts that we have minerals and metals and all of 421 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: this stuff, and we're so science has been so stuck 422 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: in that physical realm. But as we start to divide 423 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: atoms down and we start bursting them apart, apart through 424 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: the heteron glyder and things like this, and now we've 425 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: found that boson particle that everybody called the god particle 426 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: and everything else, like literally the scientists are now using 427 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: the word God and to define the boson particles. So yeah, 428 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by the fact that we're seeing emerging and 429 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: it didn't we didn't merge God in science until we 430 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: let go of the belief of the physical state. And 431 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: so that's I think where we're at right now. And 432 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: so in your life, you know, if you're listening right now, 433 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: there's some dominant experiences that are shaping your day. Those 434 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: might be the state of hunger or the state of pain, 435 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: that it might be the state of disappointment or exhaustion 436 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: or whatever, these physical stimuli that are shaping you, if 437 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: for a moment you could just close your eyes and 438 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: just take three or four deep, long breaths and realize 439 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: that there's a whole world within you that is beyond 440 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: those physical stimuli that are not dictated or limited or 441 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: in any way affected by those physical experiences. And then 442 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: in that silence between the breaths, there's an opportunity to 443 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: find a different self than anybody has told you you 444 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: could have. And that's what I'm in a daily effort 445 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: to do, is to keep letting go of whatever definitions 446 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: of myself the world and I myself are tempted to 447 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: hold onto. You know, we are I was, I was 448 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: a son, and then I was, you know, third baseman 449 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: on t ball team, and then I was you know, 450 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: you can think, you think of all of the things 451 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: that people have labeled you with as an identity, and 452 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: and then I was a mechanic, and then I was 453 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: a doctor, and then I was blah blah blah. All 454 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: of these things have the risk of freezing me in 455 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: space and time, in my capacity to expand as a 456 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: human being or as ascension being, as light being as 457 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: it may happen and the and so it's a very 458 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: important step in the maturation of humanity for us to 459 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: stop children telling our children what they are, what role 460 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: they're playing, or what identity and start to just acknowledge 461 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: you are this powerful being that stepped into this moment 462 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: to do something fantastic on this planet, to co create 463 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: within the universe, and do something really important right now 464 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: to change the perception of humanity because we're marching to 465 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: our own demise. We're extincting the planet as we know it. 466 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: And so what what are we gonna do to stop 467 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: labeling the kids? And what are we gonna how are 468 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: we gonna start to redefine a child and and give 469 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: that a new name? And would you say, because I 470 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: can't help but draw a parallel as I hear you 471 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: talk about the label in the system and how those 472 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: things are actually marching us in the wrong direction, and 473 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: I think about your work, Uh, you know when you 474 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: talk about oncology, your working cancer research which led you 475 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: to develop, as you mentioned earlier, chemotherapy treatments. And I've 476 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: read about how frustrating that was for you because you 477 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: realized you were treating the symptom. You were treating the cancer, 478 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: you weren't treating the cause. And that that I would 479 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: imagine is a big ah moment in the practice of medicine, 480 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: which led you to then look at roots of disease 481 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: open your own clinic. Do you think that that is 482 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: a is a sort of root of this sort of 483 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: big thought, you know what was happening at that moment. 484 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: What's it like to do cancer research and develop chemotherapy 485 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: in the first place, and and what did it show 486 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: you about this system? The journey into being an expert 487 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: in one little thing is pretty heavy experience, like it 488 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: really pumps the human ego to a huge degree. By 489 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: the time I was, you know, developing my chemotherapy and 490 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: a couple of years in applying in NH grants and 491 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: stuff for support, there was only six other people on 492 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: the planet that understands to the protein that I was 493 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: working on at the level that I understood it. And 494 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: there was probably my fifty people in the world that 495 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: had ever heard of the protein I was working on, 496 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: and and so they actually when I went to really 497 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: present some of my cutting edge research, I had to 498 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: be flown to Japan for an international conference on the 499 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: pathways that I was talking about, and there was only 500 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: fifty other people you know, from the world that showed up, 501 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: you know. And so it's that that gives you a 502 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: sense of like, oh my gosh, I must be just 503 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: such an amazing mind in person to be able to 504 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: get to that level of expertise. And I think that 505 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: the world offers us that after to eat through a 506 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: thousand different pathways, you could become the very best actress, 507 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: which is what I hope for my daughter, and you 508 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: could become the very best you know, whatever it is. 509 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: And then we realize when you get to that pinnacle 510 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: moment that you know, at that point of being at 511 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: the pinnacle moment of knowing all this stuff, I wasn't 512 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: happy as a human being. I didn't know myself, I 513 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: didn't know my patients. I wasn't having a deep experience 514 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: as I wished to have with the world, I think. 515 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: And so loneliness is actually bred out of that ever 516 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: focusing effort towards expertise and the narrowing of your perspective. 517 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: And wouldn't that be obvious the more narrower perspective and 518 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: your if your world view has come down to your 519 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: important because you know, one protein in the mix of 520 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: billions of proteins on the planet and all of this, 521 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: then there's no way you can see the forest for 522 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: the trees at that point, so that I think there's 523 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: been a huge danger of subspecialization and only having three 524 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: subspecialties can say that maybe, but my third, so especially 525 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: after that, was a refreshing breath of fresh air after 526 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: the cancer world, because I did hospice and palliative care, 527 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: and diving into the death and dying process was a 528 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: really important exit for me from from Western medicine. It 529 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: really confirmed everything that I had gotten glimpses of in 530 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the ic U s to tell me that there was 531 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: this whole other universe out there. And it was very 532 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: akin to the moment of going to the Philippines and 533 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: moving from robotics to babies as this kind of paradigm 534 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: shifting concept of the potential for understanding a system and 535 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: complexity of systems. And then you go from that physical 536 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: state of a dying body to this expansive, you know, 537 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: state of a light being that's obviously traveling through galaxies 538 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: and universes and then come back to tell us about 539 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: that and there's so much potential there. And I don't 540 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: trust or expect that in my in my physical state, 541 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: that I'm going to ever have the ability to fully 542 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: understand that next paradigm of of consciousness that comes beyond 543 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: the physical moment. But I know that what we're doing 544 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: right now as a as a species, the fact that 545 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: you are even listening to this is indicative that there 546 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: is a hunger at the soul level for a change. 547 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: And the change is not some sort of linear, step 548 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: wise improvement. It's not a cell phone that goes slightly 549 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: faster and the processor. It's not video converency that looks 550 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: a little better next year. We want seismic change in 551 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: the human state, and we want an explosion of the 552 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: old paradigm. And that's at the at the subconscious level. Consciously, 553 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: I think we're still locked in this pursuit of the 554 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: next paycheck and the next thing and the next you know, 555 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: purchase we're gonna make, or whatever it is. And the 556 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: consumer lifestyle that we live in is so such a 557 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: trapp in and of itself obviously, so how do we 558 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: get out? And I hope to bring this back to 559 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: some sort of state where you can be like that 560 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: was at least one thing we intended to talk about, 561 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: and that might be food. And so the one really 562 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: real thing that we do every day is food. And 563 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: so in a consumer lifestyle, none of the stuff we 564 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: buy outside of food is actually real. It's not life. 565 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: It's actually an extraction of life. We've extracted life to 566 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: buy a purse, or to buy shoes, or to buy 567 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: a T shirt. We're extracting energy and life from the 568 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: planet right now as a consumer, except in food, which 569 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: is killing the planet fast, in anything. But it's the 570 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: one thing that's alive, and it's the one thing that 571 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: could be alive in a different way. So it's the 572 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: one way that as consumers we could actually participate in 573 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: life would be a change in behavior, change in relationship 574 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: to our food system. And then a brilliant gentleman and 575 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: his wife came from Greece recently to be at one 576 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: of the events that I was at, and they prepared 577 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: this five course Greek meal for the speakers. And so 578 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: there's like seventeen of us and we had this meal, 579 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: and the woman was describing each course and how she 580 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: had forged for four days in Virginia to find the 581 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: ingredients and put together each each ingredients so specially. There 582 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: was one course that was just an onion that was 583 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: prepared alone. It was a baked onion, basically, and I 584 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: had never tasted anything like it, melt in your mouth, 585 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: ridiculous explosional flavors, and love like she had baked so 586 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: much love. And she explained the love that she was 587 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: preparing this onion with. And all of us were in 588 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: tears at different points in the meal and everything else. 589 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: And I got up at the end to just toast 590 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: them and give gratitude and said what I thought was 591 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: a profound thing about bacteria and our gut and our 592 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: relationship to the digestion of this food, and our spirituality 593 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: and all of this. And the gentleman stood up and said, no, 594 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: you're all wrong. He said that in Ekorea Greece, where 595 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: we come from, which is one of the blue zones 596 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: on the planet, where so many of them live over 597 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: a hundred years, he said, the purpose of food we 598 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: know in a Korea is not the food itself, so 599 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: much so that we would never ask a Nikorria Greece, 600 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: what did you eat last night? But instead we always 601 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: ask in the morning, who did you eat dinner with 602 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: last night? Because the food in Nikorea is supposed to 603 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: be the thing that would bring humans together to have 604 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: a spiritual experience together. And so, in this really cool fashion, 605 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: as we talk about, perhaps in the next few minutes, 606 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: of the horrific state of our current food system, it 607 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: becomes obvious why we're not having spiritual connection, why are 608 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: we not having human conscious connection, is because we forgot 609 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: that the food was for that, and we started eating 610 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: food as a drug. We started eating food as as 611 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: an emotional experience to satiate broken emotions or our disappointments, 612 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: and so we have this drug relationship to a food system, 613 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: and the food system itself has separated itself from nature. 614 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: And so even the even the corn in the center 615 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: of a ten thousand miles of a monoculture of corn 616 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: is lonely. It's it's lost its purpose, because what's the 617 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: purpose in the faces of ten million other corn plants 618 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: or ten billion other corn you know stocks. It's just 619 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: you realize that we are failing spiritually because we forgot 620 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: our natives to the universe was the food. Well, and 621 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: it strikes me two summers ago I got to go 622 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: to Italy and my families from northern Italy, and I 623 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: was driving through this really small farming community and there 624 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: was an entire enormous field of dead sunflowers and they 625 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: were turning over the soil. So the year before that 626 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: field had grown crops, and then they seated it with 627 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: sunflowers and allowed them to grow these huge, beautiful stocks, 628 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: and then to just die, this massive field of flowers 629 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: just dying, to decay, to put all of those nutrients 630 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: back into the soil, and to eventually till that soil 631 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: with all of that dead plant matter to you know, 632 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: a liven it up again, and then the next year 633 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: that field would be planted with crops again. And I thought, 634 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen that in the US. I've never driven 635 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: through any farm country here and seeing fields of dying flowers. 636 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: So that we care for our soil, And I think 637 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: about big ag. I think about ten cubic meat or 638 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is, of corn growing year after year on 639 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: soil that year after year is more and more depleted. 640 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: And I think about how many of us can eat 641 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: and not feel satiated, have a meal and weirdly still 642 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: feel hungry. I know for me, I can't get enough 643 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: salt ever, ever, doesn't matter. I just want to put 644 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: salt on everything, and there's some mineral issue. There's something 645 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: going on when we have these illogical cravings, when our 646 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: bodies don't need things, or maybe need things we're not 647 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: giving them. Or your point, maybe people are having cravings 648 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: because of emotional stuff, you know, um, and we are 649 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: really separated from our relationship to food and from where 650 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: it even comes from. And again, like we were talking 651 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: about earlier, I think most of us assume that someone's 652 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: in charge and that someone's making sure that we're doing 653 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: this right. But it's so clear, and I'm so grateful 654 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: to doctors like you and scientists who are speaking out 655 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,959 Speaker 1: about these things that no one's making sure that these 656 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: systems are okay. You know, we have chemicals you mentioned 657 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: Man Santo leaching into our soil, into our water systems. 658 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: This current administration is making it more legal for terrible 659 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: companies to dump toxic and carcinogenic chemicals into the water supply, 660 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: which just seems crazy to me. These shouldn't be party debates. 661 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: There should just be standards by which we don't treat 662 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: ourselves in the planet from which we live. We shouldn't 663 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: be polluting our water. I don't care if you're a 664 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: Republican or a Democrat. That's just an insane thing to do. 665 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: That's like to me, I think, who wants to take 666 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: small doses of poison every day to like stick it 667 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: to the Libs. I don't. I don't understand why we're 668 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: doing this. So when I when I look at the 669 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: size of what's scary in these systems? I guess I 670 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: want to ask you, as an expert, maybe firstly, if 671 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: we were wind a little bit, how palliative care brought 672 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: you to food? And then when you look at food, 673 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: what do we do because it can feel and I'm 674 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: sure for some of the listeners it's like you might 675 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: be having that moment of panic of this is a 676 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: very big system that's very broken and what can I, 677 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: as one person do to fix it? But what can 678 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: you tell us about how we begin to fix these things? 679 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: Very good? So the march out of hospice and palliative 680 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: care came at the same time that I started my 681 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: nutrition center. So I exited the university in two thousand 682 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: and ten and started a nutrition center in one of 683 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: the poorest counties in Virginia, thinking that I would like 684 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: to find a way to explore lifestyle and nutrition education 685 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: such that the poorest among us could could do that 686 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: and transform their codependence on the pharmaceutical industry that I 687 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: had been such a part of, and I wanted to 688 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: see freedom from that, and I wanted to see better 689 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: advocacy our our cancer chemotherapies are miserably ineffective. You know, 690 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: to get approved as a chemotherapy, and you have to 691 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: show about a fifteen percent improvement in in in survival, 692 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: and so people are in dying no matter what you 693 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: can give. So there's such a low bar to improving 694 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, outcomes. And keep in mind that the placebo 695 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: effect is always around thirty advocacy, and so we chose 696 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: a bar at half that of a placebo to say, yeah, 697 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: you can be approved as a chemotherapy. Telling lee am Jin, 698 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: one of the big private pharmaceutical companies that was emerging 699 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: then in the nineties, recently redid the science of fifty 700 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: three different landmark chemotherapy trials that shaped what chemotherapy is today, 701 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: and of those they can only find six that were 702 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: reproducible results. And of the cancer studies that were published 703 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: to shape today's chemotherapy behavior, we're wrong. They just they 704 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: they used you know, fake statistics or they they manipulated 705 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: the data or whatever it is, and we're able to 706 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: come out with these, you know, seemingly efficacious drugs that 707 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: are completely unreproducible by a third party. And so I'm 708 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: intrigued by the opportunity then to take a person say, okay, 709 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: we have all this chemotherapy, radiation, surgery. Cancers now went 710 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: into adults and the male and about one one in 711 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: three year, a little less than females. And so we 712 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: have this massive burden of cancer and the only offerings 713 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: are things that are relatively ineffective. Best, they extend the 714 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: disease specific survival, but they don't actually fix any underlying 715 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: problem for the person. And so all of this mix 716 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: and then the experience of hospital and pall of care, 717 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: which is awesome experience because as a doctor, for the 718 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: first time in my career, my job was to stop medicines. 719 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 1: And so when if somebody's admitted a hospice, you immediately 720 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: stop all of their medications, stop their stating drugs for 721 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: their heart disease, and you stop there any presents. You 722 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: stop everything to figure out what's what's gonna make them 723 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: do the best today instead of palliating for some long 724 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: term outcome. And amazingly, we have to discharge a lot 725 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: of hospice patients from hospice because they get better soon 726 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: as we stopped the pharmaceutical drugs, and so they're not 727 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna die in six months as long as you stop 728 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: their drugs. And so that again was just a reinforcement 729 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: of the systems broken. We keep leaving chemo and all 730 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: these other drugs to the point that we're actually dying 731 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: early from all of the drugs, and we don't know 732 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: that because we stopped leaving in the placebo. In fact, 733 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: we stopped leaving that we can heal without anything. We 734 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: stopped leaving in our hour to co create with life 735 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: and actually just heal because we believe we can heal. 736 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: That's what the police ebo is. It is a belief 737 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: that you can heal, and it is powerful. It can, 738 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, have this massive impact on the course of 739 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: disease in life. And so for all of that, it 740 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: takes us down to is the food well or not? 741 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: And the answer is no. The same companies that created 742 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical dependence of medicine are the same companies that 743 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: created chemical farming. And so you know the before Bear, 744 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 1: which is the largest pharmaceutical company, and in Europe Monte, 745 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: Santo u s pharmaceutical companies own that company. So yeah, 746 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: the chemical companies that are shaping our food system in 747 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: our chemical industries of plastics and consumer products are are 748 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: shaping medicine as well. And it's scary when those companies 749 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: are now controlling both ends of that pattern because we 750 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: know that something like round Up, made by Monsanto originally 751 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: and now owned by Bear. Round Up deletes the medicine 752 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: out of the food. We've known for thousands of years 753 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: that the food is thy medicine. Well, it actually blocks 754 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: the enzyme pathway that allows the food to make the 755 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: medicines and these alkaloid medicines that can no longer be made. 756 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: We now extract out of a pharmaceutical process, out of 757 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: plants and things and sell it back to the consumer. 758 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: And so it's just this frightening thing that we're allowing 759 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: the same company to own both sides of that equation, 760 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: to own the nutrient or the lack of nutrient delivery 761 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: through our food is m and the medicines that would 762 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: be selling those nutrients back to us. And so we've 763 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: got to take a bigger look at the thing that 764 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: we call monopoly. The way that people are that that 765 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: Bayer was allowed to buy Monsanto is you know, defies 766 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 1: all logic and blocking monopolies. I mean, the monopoly seems 767 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 1: illogical to me, but it also seems to defy logic 768 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: in my observation that we know these chemicals are killing us, 769 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: and they're still allowed to be manufactured. I find it 770 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 1: insane that they're allowed to manufacture round up. I find 771 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: it insane that people are allowed to manufacture styrofoam. I mean, 772 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: in in so many of these arenas, we see chemical 773 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: products being made that are damaging to human life and 774 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: the planet on which we live, and no one's saying 775 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: just stop. And I'm curious about that because to your point, 776 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: as science is evolving, as we're understanding the impacts of agriculture, 777 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: as we're understanding the impacts of ingesting chemicals like these 778 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: on our bodies, what they're doing to our microbiome, the 779 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: microbiome being the gut, which is in fact, as as 780 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: you've helped to educate people about, that's actually the brain 781 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: of our body. That the gut gives us more information 782 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: by by a multiplier than than the brain ever will 783 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: It's where our serotonin is made, where our mood is regulated, 784 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: so many things, and none of us really know how 785 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: to take care of it, let alone that it's being 786 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: assaulted by the food that we need and the chemicals 787 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: that these companies are putting into our food supply and 788 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: our medical supply. So what what would you say for 789 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: people who are listening? What do people need to know 790 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: about the microbiome, about how to take care of the gut, 791 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: and then what can each of us do to begin 792 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: advocating for a better food system. Totally? Yeah, So the microbiome, 793 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: like life that we talked about earlier that maybe life 794 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: is results in biodiversity, and biodiversity results in more life. 795 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: That's the same for the microbiome. And so the more 796 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 1: diverse your microbiome is, the more life you have, Literally, 797 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: the more nutrients are produced, the more fascinating detoxification happens. 798 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: Is literally hyper intelligent system. And the human gut is 799 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: now and the microbiome humans now understood to be far 800 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 1: beyond the gut, where our skin is a massive source, 801 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: our sinuses, our lungs are every internal organ. Now. The breast, 802 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: for example, has an extraordinary organic garden within it in 803 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 1: an ideal situation. And so the healthy human breast has 804 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: this diverse microflora. If the breast starts to get stress 805 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: and it starts to get acidic and and chronic, you know, 806 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of toxicity builds up in the breast, the microbiome 807 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: actually just to try to detox that thing. And if 808 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: we keep killing the micro organism, then the woman dies 809 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: of her breast cancer. And so every organ now is 810 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: recognized to have this teeming life within it. And if 811 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: we screw with the teeming life and it's biodiversity, we 812 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: lose wellness, we lose longevity, and we lose reproductivity, and 813 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: we go extinct. And so in the microbiome, all of 814 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: your body, within your body, outside your body is this 815 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: extension of life and perhaps the very source of life 816 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: within the human experience. You can picture the microbiome of 817 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: the human just like you would evergen deep soil of 818 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: in a garden, you know. And so there's this you know, 819 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: whole fat of course towards organics, and so the idea 820 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: of an organic garden or permaculture if you want to 821 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: go extreme, or bio dynamic farming, all these things. The 822 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: whole focus is getting this biodiversity back in the soil. 823 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: We need to look at our guts the same way. 824 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: The probiotic industry has done a great harm in that 825 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: it keeps handing us a monoculture of three species and 826 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: says it says, take this, you know, and this is 827 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: your gut elk tool. The human gut alone is supposed 828 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: to have thirty thou species in it. So if we 829 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: keep taking three species at fifty billion copies a day, 830 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: we're going to create a monoculture just like the soy, corn, 831 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 1: and wheat monoculture that we have. At the macro level, 832 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: we're creating that same micro organism monoculture with probiotics. Recent 833 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 1: studies that were published and sell one of the most 834 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: respected pure of view journal science articles last year was 835 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: extraordinary and demonstrating that probiotic use after an antibiotic has 836 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: the same suppressive effect on biodiversity as the antibotic did 837 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: antibiotic can wipe out of the biodiversity. If you put 838 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: the mice on a probiotic, they freeze at that that 839 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: same level of destroyed ecosystem, which makes total sense if 840 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: you're taking up all the soil with those three organisms, 841 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: there's not room for for of the life to come 842 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: back abundantly and diversity in the human study that was 843 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: published at the same time showed that six months after 844 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: antibotic exposure, the humans still hadn't recovered their microbiome on 845 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: a probiotic whereas if they did nothing, let's return to 846 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: the concept of a placebo, they were better. In thirty 847 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: days they had completely redeveloped their their microbiomes. So what 848 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: does that tell us about your your question, which is 849 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: what can each of us do to get a rich microbiome? 850 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: The secret is to get into nature. And so the 851 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: more you breathe nature, the more you touch nature, the 852 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: more you hug trees, the more that you you hug 853 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: your Your animals, especially dogs, are so good at going 854 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: out and digging out back and then coming bringing that 855 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: microbiome of the humus soil into the home. Again, our 856 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: homes are inherently devoid of of microbiome, and we get 857 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: these very narrow probiotical effects of our house or our car. 858 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: These plastic off kit asking environments are not good at 859 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: creating biodiversity. They can't support it. And so the soil 860 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: and the nature and all of that is the big 861 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: step in If you can go beyond just getting outside 862 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: and touching nature and actually start to co create in 863 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,319 Speaker 1: the growth mode, you really do yourself a favor. So 864 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: grow garden. If you don't have any room to grow garden, 865 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: grow a mint plant in the window. Mint is like indestructible. 866 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,839 Speaker 1: You might think you're a brown thumb or a black thumb. 867 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: Grow mint plant. You'll feel really good about yourself because 868 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: those things grow like crazy and they're really hard to kill. 869 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: So men and and eat that a leaf off of 870 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: that mint plant every day to remind yourself, I'm part 871 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: of a co creative part of process of nature. I 872 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: need to go get more in touch with this. And 873 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: so then go find a c s A. Find a 874 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: farmer's market. Meet the farmers at the farmer's market. Have 875 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: you really asked about the farmer? I'm always amazed as 876 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: a farmer's market where the conversation pretty much stops that 877 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: do you spray or do this or whatever, instead of 878 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: like who are you? Where? Do where do you come from? 879 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: Has your family been with that piece of farm for 880 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: your generations or did you just buy it out of 881 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: a passion to do this? Or oh my gosh, you're 882 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: you're passionate about the land and what draws you to that? 883 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: Are your children involved? Like? Those are the questions that 884 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,399 Speaker 1: I think would spur and incurge farmers because farmers are 885 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: tired of feeling like they're the bad guy. They're tired 886 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: of feeling like they're part of the problem. They really 887 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: want to be part of the solution. And they are 888 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: brilliant problem solvers. They're brilliant, inventive people that want to engage, 889 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: and as consumers, we should want to engage with them, 890 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: because again, just like the couple from a Korea grees 891 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: reminding us that the food isn't food, it's an opportunity 892 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: for a spiritual experience and fellowship to happen between two 893 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,879 Speaker 1: human beings. What cooler could happen than you and your 894 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,879 Speaker 1: child sitting in the backyard picking a tomato off your 895 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: tomato plant and talking about life and birth and all 896 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: of this vitality of Mother Earth and how it just 897 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: comes out is an amazing and tomato can Why is 898 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,800 Speaker 1: the tomato that red? Like? How that did the tomato 899 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: become red? It's coming out of brown dirt? What's that? 900 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 1: What's going on with that? What's why is the plant green? 901 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: What does photosynthesis is? Where does energy come from? Oh, 902 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: it comes from the sun. Sun is not a physical structure, 903 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: it's a light being. The Sun is this huge source 904 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: of radiation energy that's expanding out in the universe. And 905 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: we can turn a green plant from that, and then 906 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 1: we can turn red tomato from that. Like, these are 907 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,240 Speaker 1: miracles right in front of our eyes that were missing. 908 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: Children's did not think about macaroni and cheese, that is, 909 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: there's nothing of a nature in a macaroni and cheese. Yeah, 910 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: and so we've so dumbed down the experience of food 911 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: for children that us as a third or four fifth 912 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: generation and people separated from the farm have lost altogether. Well, 913 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: and something that frightens me. You've studied glyphosate, which is 914 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: the herb beside that we're referencing in Montanto, and we 915 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: know that it's a carcinogen. And earlier this year, which 916 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: I discovered thanks to your work, Um, there was a 917 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,400 Speaker 1: study that came out that said that one based cereals 918 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: out of twenty one tested, seventeen of them tested positive 919 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,359 Speaker 1: for glyphosated levels that are considered unsafe for children. And 920 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: that includes multiple brands of cheerios. And to your point, 921 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: there's no nature in macaroni, and there's no nature in 922 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: a cheer but most of us grew up eating them. 923 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: What do we do about this? Because you're right, some 924 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: of us can grow gardens. I'm actually now growing a garden. You. 925 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: I'd love to have you, guys before to um have 926 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: some some treats. But for people who can't, I love 927 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: the idea of saying, even if you have a small space, 928 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: grow a mint plant, grow a couple of herbs, something, 929 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, maybe for folks who are listening from you know, 930 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,879 Speaker 1: New York or any other very metropolitan city, get a tree, 931 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: like some sort of indoor potted tree. But not everybody 932 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: can have a, you know, a personal farm at home. 933 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: I think about my friends Becca and EDWARDA who have 934 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: an acre and a half garden in Montana and grow 935 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,399 Speaker 1: all their own food. Like that's my dream, but that's 936 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: not my reality. So what do what do most of 937 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 1: us do? What do we need to be looking at? 938 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: What kinds of dietary changes might you recommend? Because I 939 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: also heard you say in an interview that if your 940 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,280 Speaker 1: body is sick, you know, if you're gut is unhealthy. 941 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: Even kale can be hard for you to process. So 942 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: what do we do with with all this information? Because 943 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,279 Speaker 1: it feels to me, I I get panicky because I 944 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: feel like everything is scary and I don't know what 945 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,440 Speaker 1: to eat. So I wind up just like eating the 946 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: same things that I've always been eating, which might not 947 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: be the answer either. Yeah. I think that um paralysis 948 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: is a common result of fear, and fear comes from 949 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: not enough information or opportunities or or decision points. And 950 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: so when we feel like we have no choice in 951 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: what we that definitely creates the fear and then creates 952 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 1: the paralysis of believe. And so again I think it 953 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: comes back to human relationship. What do you really need? 954 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: You need more than you need a backyard garden. You 955 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: need to have a relationship. Who do you need a 956 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: relationship with a farmer? And so that might be your 957 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: Your community garden is a phenomenal way. So community gardens 958 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: are s broughting up all over the country. One of 959 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: our close collaborators with our nonprofit, which is Farmers Footprint, Uh, 960 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,359 Speaker 1: he goes by Farmer d. He's just a phenomenally fun 961 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: guy to hang out with, but he's building some of 962 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: the largest I guess that you'd call municipal planning things 963 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: that are happening in the country, but they're called agra hoods, 964 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: which I think is so exciting. And so there's a 965 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: massive one of three thousand acres outside of our Lando. 966 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: There's a massive win Ohio that he just completed plans on, 967 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: and these are massive, you know, municipalities that are built 968 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,360 Speaker 1: around central farms and central agricultural systems. I think that 969 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: is the future where we're heading. And I think that 970 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: as consumers, we can start to demand that of like 971 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,920 Speaker 1: this empty lot down the street, we need this, We 972 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: need the community to buy that, and we need to 973 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: turn that into community garden. One thing you mentioned Italy 974 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: and your background there, it's striking when my wife and 975 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: I were in Italy this past year, when you're on 976 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: the train from Florence into into Tuscany there and you're 977 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: just out in the wilderness. Whenever there's you know, a 978 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: clump of houses together and they row these together with 979 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: just barely enough for room to walk between them. There's 980 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: tomatoes planted between them. Like every single inch of land 981 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,240 Speaker 1: that people have acts too they're going to plant something. 982 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: We lost that mentality somewhere between which we did in 983 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 1: this country at that time to today. And so we 984 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: need to get more in the mentality of like, oh, 985 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: you don't think you can have a garden, but there's 986 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: a square of soil outside of your apartment building. You 987 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 1: should go talk to the tenants say could we like 988 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: grow like a tiny little community garden here, like a 989 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,800 Speaker 1: couple of cabbage plants and a couple of tomatoes and 990 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Just don't remind people, even if they 991 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: can't eat from it, that food is real. And this 992 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 1: could connect us all back to, you know, understanding of 993 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: our relationship to food. There's the exciting movements of urban gardening, 994 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: and there's exciting movements of guerrilla gardeners who are putting 995 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: vertical gardens on the side of lapidated buildings and skyscrapers 996 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: and um and so I think this is exciting whether 997 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for us to engage in that kind 998 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: of creativity. And you say, you just live in a 999 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 1: tiny little home. You don't have access to soil. These 1000 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: vertical gardens create a large growing space and a four 1001 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 1: ft by four ft area you can grow enough to 1002 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: grow all the produce for a three person family, and 1003 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,879 Speaker 1: so four feet by four feet is actually a really 1004 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 1: tiny piece and you'll find yourself having you to throw 1005 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,759 Speaker 1: away food because you can't even eat it fast enough. 1006 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: And so it takes very little soil to be very 1007 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: very productive. And and so I think that we need 1008 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: to lose the beliefs that this is difficult and then 1009 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: also engage in it with excitement and that if it's 1010 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: not my job right now to be growing food, then 1011 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,800 Speaker 1: it's my job to support somebody who is growing food. 1012 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: And that again, is is not a failure, that's an opportunity. 1013 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: And so if you're feeling like, no, everything that you 1014 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: just mentioned I cannot do because I travel all the 1015 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: time and I do this with that and my job 1016 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 1: is this and my kids are under these stressors, that's okay. 1017 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: You now have the opportunity in a human relationship for food. 1018 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 1: And so that's that's where we need to move to, 1019 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 1: is municipal sharing of resources. Of food in America is 1020 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: thrown away every day, and so nobody should be going hungry. 1021 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: We have plenty of food around. It's an issue of 1022 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,560 Speaker 1: a lack of sharing and lack of a sharing kind 1023 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,799 Speaker 1: of economy where we could get to and so we 1024 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,719 Speaker 1: see the likes of Burning Man being an example of 1025 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 1: what would society look like it was based on the 1026 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,240 Speaker 1: idea of gifting and sharing, and so that's a little 1027 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: tiny microcosm of our potential. You know, when we talk 1028 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 1: about food waste, you know, because the idea or the 1029 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: fact rather that we have food waste in America feels 1030 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 1: crazy when to your point, even in a state like Kansas, 1031 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: one and four kids is going to bed hungry every night, 1032 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: how do we, as a citizen rate advocate for better 1033 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: sharing of resources? Because I'm not throwing my food away, 1034 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: but the system is so whether that's restaurants, grocery stores, 1035 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,879 Speaker 1: all of the above, how do we call on our 1036 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,959 Speaker 1: local governments to start changing that? To demand better practices 1037 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:05,400 Speaker 1: is to to redistribute the resources of food and accessibility 1038 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,480 Speaker 1: to it. I'm not sure there's a political solution to 1039 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: that problem. I think there is definitely a consumer solution though, 1040 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: And so if we look at that waste that you 1041 00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: just mentioned, one is is serve only what you're going 1042 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: to eat, you know, And so I think a lot 1043 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: of homes do waste their food because they prepare a 1044 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 1: bunch of food and then you know, they don't have 1045 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: time to get that into tupper wears, and they don't 1046 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: eat their leftovers, or by the time they get to 1047 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 1: their leftovers, it's it's rotting, you know. And so we 1048 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: have an inefficiency in the home for sure, But at 1049 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: the bigger level, the restaurant industry is throwing out a 1050 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: ton of food. And it's because we've really asked the 1051 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: restaurant industry to develop and deliver a product like we expect, 1052 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: and so, as consumers, would be interesting for us to 1053 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: start talking to our local restaurants about that process problem 1054 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: and ask how we could support a change in that. 1055 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 1: And so instead of just going to order your favorite 1056 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: chicken dish every night at your restaurant, stop and ask, hey, 1057 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: can I talk to your manager and just drop a 1058 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: little seat in the manager's mind of you know, I 1059 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: would love to have a conversation with your owners to say, like, 1060 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: how how can we take advantage of that? And I 1061 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: understand there's gonna be a cost to that, like how 1062 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,200 Speaker 1: could I participate that As a consumer of your restaurant, 1063 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: I love what you delivered to me, but how could 1064 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: I actually turn that into three meals instead of one? 1065 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: How could I help deliver that that extra food somewhere 1066 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: else and helps support the cost of that. And so 1067 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: these are the ways that we can start to really 1068 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 1: reshape industry. Has become participating in the solutions rather than 1069 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,920 Speaker 1: demanding solutions. Yeah, just invest a little bit of your 1070 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,480 Speaker 1: energy and your time into asking the questions and and 1071 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,760 Speaker 1: starting the conversation, and you may find out that all 1072 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: you had to do and the level of your own 1073 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 1: participation had to do with just starting the conversation. You know, 1074 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: you may not even have to pay anything. You just 1075 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: had to start the conversation and let the owners know 1076 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 1: that we care about those where aware this, we would 1077 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 1: like to participate. And and then you find out that 1078 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: the owner just needed that little nudge in the ribs 1079 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: of like, oh, there's an opportunity to do something different 1080 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,919 Speaker 1: with our marketing, Like what has a restaurant we said 1081 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,840 Speaker 1: we have zero food waste because this is what we 1082 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 1: do with the left hours. We actually work with biodynamic 1083 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: farmers for anything that we can't give away. We actually 1084 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: are working on bio dynamic farms to bring composting to 1085 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: to these systems to get chemical farming out of our communities. 1086 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: Another huge thing that we're working on that I think 1087 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 1: is on that political level going to be very successful 1088 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,040 Speaker 1: is through our Farmers Footprint nonprofit. We've we've started a 1089 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: non toxic neighborhoods tool kit which has been very successful, 1090 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: started by Kim Conti. She was an empowered mom in Irvine, California, 1091 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: had raised her kids abroad and then when she moved here, 1092 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: she was appalled that round up was being sprayed in 1093 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,160 Speaker 1: our parks and on the school fields and everything else. 1094 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: And so she was spending all his money feeding their 1095 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 1: kids organic and yet they were absorbing all this round 1096 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: up through their skin on the soccer field every afternoon. 1097 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: And so she advocated to get that band from the 1098 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: whole city of Irvine, successfully three years ago. And so 1099 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 1: that tool Kids now succeeded in in sixty four Big 1100 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,880 Speaker 1: counties now under way of banning around up from municipal spaces. 1101 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 1: And so that's a huge piece that you can use, 1102 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: you know to Farmers Footprint dot us and there's a 1103 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: tool Kid in there as all the speaking points for 1104 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 1: your school board to get it out of your playing 1105 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: fields and school grounds. You have your city council and 1106 01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 1: talking to them, and big counties are popping l a 1107 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: popped how recently to ban round up in municipal spaces 1108 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Miami County and all of this. And so there's ways 1109 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: in which we can make government workforce, but I think 1110 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: it's always gonna be at the local level, not at 1111 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,920 Speaker 1: the federal level. And so I think we need to 1112 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: give less credit and less airtime to Donald Trump and 1113 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: whoever comes after him. We need to give a lot 1114 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,560 Speaker 1: more airtime to our governors and to our local leaders 1115 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,920 Speaker 1: who are making changes that are really profound and important 1116 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: progress so that we stopped giving up hope, you know. 1117 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 1: And one of these examples is the incredible governor of 1118 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania right now. He just passed the very first state 1119 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 1: farm bill, and so we're working as a nonprofit to 1120 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,439 Speaker 1: make a template out of that to break the back 1121 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: of the federal farm bill. Will change the farming industry. 1122 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: And so what does that mean? What does the state 1123 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,000 Speaker 1: farm bill means? So, yeah, he created ah the farm 1124 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: bill at the federal level subsidize as farmers to grow 1125 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. And so we pay farmers only if 1126 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,560 Speaker 1: they will grow GMO corn, soybean, alfalfa, and sugar beat. 1127 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: Sugar beats higher paid than anything else. So if you 1128 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,919 Speaker 1: can't make money selling your crop, which you can't really 1129 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 1: incommize cropping because they're especially since the tariffs have set in, 1130 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: we can't sell any of our corn, and so we 1131 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,120 Speaker 1: we burned or destroyed like three and a million bushels 1132 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,320 Speaker 1: of corn last year in the United States because we 1133 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 1: just couldn't sell it because the tariffs made it such 1134 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: that it was impossible sell on the international market. We 1135 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,439 Speaker 1: always produce more food than we can consume in these 1136 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: commodities crops, and so we produced enough, you know, commodities 1137 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 1: to feed the whole world last year, but we didn't 1138 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,640 Speaker 1: because of the way the trade works and everything else. 1139 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,960 Speaker 1: And so in the end, we're paying farmers to grow 1140 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Our response this year, try administration is 1141 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: actually paid paying farmers more per bushel to grow more 1142 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 1: corn this year. So we couldn't sell it. We burned it, 1143 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 1: was destroyed it. We sucked up all the nutrients out 1144 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 1: of the soil to produce all that, and now we're 1145 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: inn even more this year because farmers know they can't 1146 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: make money selling crops, and so they just are going 1147 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,920 Speaker 1: for the subsidies, so they're planting their farms. So what 1148 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 1: does a state farm bill have The opportunity to do. 1149 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 1: The governor of Pennsylvania realized he had an opportunity to 1150 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 1: bump Organ from the second largest organic grower in the 1151 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: country and come second and so as the third largest 1152 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 1: organic grower. He put in this bill that had twenty 1153 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,120 Speaker 1: million dollars has been sent ups to pay farmers to 1154 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 1: grow organic instead of GMO crops. And with that small step, 1155 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: in a single year, they bypassed Organ and now our 1156 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,920 Speaker 1: in the number two organic grower in the country. And 1157 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: that probably means that the soil in Pennsylvania is getting 1158 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: healthier as well, right, I hope, so, I hope so. Unfortunately, 1159 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,000 Speaker 1: organic practices as dictated by the U s d A 1160 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,320 Speaker 1: does nothing for soil and so um. This is why 1161 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,840 Speaker 1: we're making a big push of education through farmer's footprint 1162 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: and help farmers understand how to go far beyond the 1163 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,000 Speaker 1: organic label and actually become a regenerative farm. A regena 1164 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,959 Speaker 1: farmers the first step towards really starting to build life 1165 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 1: in the soil, build back microbial diversity, and you do 1166 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,280 Speaker 1: that largely by creating macro diversity. So you mentioned the 1167 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,760 Speaker 1: flowers growing in France or Italy that they do every 1168 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 1: year as a cover crop. What we're actually advocating for 1169 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 1: is a sixteen species or thirty two species cover crop, 1170 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 1: So you don't just have ten acres of flower, you've 1171 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,920 Speaker 1: got thousands of acres of really diverse flora, which is 1172 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 1: going to bring in different butterflies and moss and bees 1173 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: and pollinators across the board, and it's going to bring 1174 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 1: in different microbes into the soil. So that's the beginning 1175 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,200 Speaker 1: of it. The second step towards regeneration is to stop spraying, 1176 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,479 Speaker 1: which the U. S d A does half the job 1177 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,920 Speaker 1: of saying, which you can't spray, but of course they 1178 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: can spray other things, and so there's all kinds of 1179 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,960 Speaker 1: herbicides and pesticides and that organic agriculture. But more than that, 1180 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the problem with organic agricultures that stands right now is 1181 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 1: when they can't spray to kill weeds and cover crops, 1182 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: they plow it. And when you overplow a piece of land, 1183 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: you do more damage or as much damage as the spraying. 1184 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,800 Speaker 1: And so we've been killing our soils through an overplowing phenomenon. 1185 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,960 Speaker 1: And so regenda farming is showing this exciting reality that 1186 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,040 Speaker 1: we can actually five x and ten x. The bottom 1187 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,520 Speaker 1: line for farmers in a very short period of time 1188 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 1: five years, we can make these farmers not only subsistent, 1189 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,200 Speaker 1: but actually booming with wealth more than they have in 1190 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 1: generations by not touching the soil. And so it's just 1191 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 1: a reminder, such as the hospice would to the human 1192 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,720 Speaker 1: if you stop all the chemicals, life returns, and life 1193 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: abundantly could happen. You could actually have more awareness as 1194 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: a human being without the drugs. You can actually have 1195 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,920 Speaker 1: more vitality and longer life without the drugs. Same with 1196 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,160 Speaker 1: the land. If you stop the chemical inputs, you can 1197 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,960 Speaker 1: actually see vitality returning. And if you support that through 1198 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,000 Speaker 1: a co creative process of every year saying I'm going 1199 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,360 Speaker 1: to increase biodoverse here, I'm gonna plan these seas. I've 1200 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,640 Speaker 1: never planned these seeds. I've never even heard of that plan. 1201 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. And so these farmers have this 1202 01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to just dive into complexity and biodiversity and then 1203 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,440 Speaker 1: step back and see what nature does with that. And 1204 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: within years you see megaflora coming back, and so you 1205 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,720 Speaker 1: see uh, you know, trees and shrubs coming up on 1206 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 1: the boundaries of what had been waste lands before you 1207 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: see then life returning. You see owls returning, hawks returning, 1208 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,400 Speaker 1: You see them returning because the voles are back, and 1209 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: the moles are back, and the field mice are back, 1210 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 1: and life is starting to return to what was previously 1211 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: just a chemical desolation of space. And so it's very 1212 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 1: exciting that life abundant is wealth producing. What we are 1213 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 1: seeing is this march of industrialization reaching at zenith and 1214 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,480 Speaker 1: now collapsing. And now we're boosting up a collapsing economy 1215 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: of consumption and industrialization by things like the stock market, 1216 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: which of course is totally fake. And then yeah, trade 1217 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 1: politics and all of this and so and fighting wars obviously, 1218 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,040 Speaker 1: and so when we start running out of money, we 1219 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 1: just started another war somewhere in the in the world 1220 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: and extract more oil and more wealth and all that. 1221 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: And we generated economy by the war machine all of this, 1222 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,520 Speaker 1: And so we were boosting up a dying, dying economy 1223 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,360 Speaker 1: of of industrialation and consumption. And we can either die 1224 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,680 Speaker 1: in that process or we could read birth into a 1225 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,640 Speaker 1: regenerative economy that actually sees that bio diversity is the 1226 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 1: core of that. And not only is that at the 1227 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 1: soil level, it's obviously at the social level, if we 1228 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,280 Speaker 1: keep building walls against the world outside of us, will 1229 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: die as a nation, our our empires actively collapsing, and 1230 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: so the United States will cease to exists as a 1231 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, one of those top economies over the next 1232 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 1: twenty years, just under the collapse of our health and 1233 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 1: the cost thereof. And so if we keep walling ourselves 1234 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:42,160 Speaker 1: off from biodiversity and diversity of socio political, you know, opportunity, 1235 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna disappear. But just the same way 1236 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,240 Speaker 1: that we see farmers who've killed their land over eighteen 1237 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,040 Speaker 1: years of spraying, you know, three or four times a 1238 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,400 Speaker 1: year with round up and then disking their soil into 1239 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,640 Speaker 1: oblivion multiple times a year, in one season, we can 1240 01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,960 Speaker 1: see life return to that farm if we go regenera 1241 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: and so the healing is so fat, so much faster 1242 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 1: than the damage, and we have to know that before 1243 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,680 Speaker 1: we give up hope. It sounds like seventy eight years 1244 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,480 Speaker 1: left before we go extinct is impossible. How could we 1245 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,800 Speaker 1: recreate and change everything? And then you hear that soil 1246 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 1: destroyed could heal in a single season? That gives me hope. 1247 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: And I see the same thing in my patients. As 1248 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 1: soon as they make the fun and will changes in 1249 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:29,080 Speaker 1: their environment, their biology changes, their consciousness changes overnight, not 1250 01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,760 Speaker 1: in years. So I'm curious about that because you're talking 1251 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: about the soil changing in a season, which is the 1252 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,680 Speaker 1: microbiome of the earth can change in one season. What 1253 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,800 Speaker 1: are the kinds of changes that you recommend patients make 1254 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,080 Speaker 1: that make the fastest difference in their microbio and their health? 1255 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:51,400 Speaker 1: Are there are there some just truths that work for everybody. Yes, 1256 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,840 Speaker 1: there are definitely truths that work for everybody. One absolute 1257 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: truth is that if you reduce the amount of chemicals 1258 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,400 Speaker 1: that are coming in your body in day, you will 1259 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 1: be better. And so yes, the food is is probably 1260 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,480 Speaker 1: public enemy number one or public opportunity number one. But 1261 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I would say right behind that is cosmetics. The cosmetic 1262 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 1: industry is dumping so many chemicals into the blood stream 1263 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 1: of women in this world, and it's undermining their fertility. 1264 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: One and four women as of ten years ago, we're 1265 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,640 Speaker 1: having policistic ovarian syndrome and in fertility from that, and 1266 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 1: that's just one condition. And so our our fertility is 1267 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,320 Speaker 1: disappearing largely because the chemicals were pumping into our blood stream. 1268 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,760 Speaker 1: Even yoga one of the healthiest, most important spiritual experiences 1269 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 1: on planet. I'm fascinated that we've turned that into an 1270 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 1: unhealthy experience because we're making women dress up in the 1271 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,400 Speaker 1: micro which is microplastic laden, dilate their all of their 1272 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: skin through the heat and sweating, and then they suck 1273 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,920 Speaker 1: in all of those microplastics in their bloodstream from their 1274 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,360 Speaker 1: yoga clothes. And then they lay down on their yoga mat, 1275 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,479 Speaker 1: sweating dilated skin, and they suck for malahide from the 1276 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: foam of the yoga mat, which is one of the 1277 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 1: most potent carcinogens. And you know, borda faceans on the planet. 1278 01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,640 Speaker 1: And so we can take any industry and make it 1279 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,560 Speaker 1: talk like we can take any practice of spirituality and 1280 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,519 Speaker 1: otherways make it toxic. And so at every point in 1281 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,759 Speaker 1: your life, what are you touching, what are you breathing? 1282 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,639 Speaker 1: What are you what are you doing to interact with nature? 1283 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: And where did it get divided? When you drive in 1284 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,640 Speaker 1: your car, something is simple that works for every single person. Instantaneously, 1285 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: just rolled down the windows, breaze some real air, stop 1286 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,679 Speaker 1: with all of the heating and air conditioning for a moment, 1287 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,799 Speaker 1: pull off your sunglasses, and see sunlight and real color. 1288 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,000 Speaker 1: So many people don't even remember what a true color 1289 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000 Speaker 1: of a flower is, I think because by the time 1290 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,320 Speaker 1: they're outside, their sunglasses are on, and they're seeing that 1291 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,599 Speaker 1: through a muted experience, and they're not getting the vibrant, 1292 01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:43,240 Speaker 1: energetic experience of what does a yellow sunflower actually look like? 1293 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: And what does that due to my psyche when that 1294 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: yellow hits my retina vibrates that that frequency and creates 1295 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,640 Speaker 1: an antidepressant in my brain. I can't even have that 1296 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,000 Speaker 1: experience because I'm wearing sunglasses, you know. And so that 1297 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,800 Speaker 1: that kind of simple thing of where what are all 1298 01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,960 Speaker 1: the layers that you've been told to put up against you? 1299 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,479 Speaker 1: In nature? My wife recently looked up the definition of 1300 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,639 Speaker 1: nature and it was a game changer. Nature as defined 1301 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,320 Speaker 1: in Websters and the like is anything plant, animal, mineral, 1302 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,479 Speaker 1: or otherwise that is non human in the planet. And 1303 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,840 Speaker 1: so somehow we wrote ourselves out of the definition of nature, 1304 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,680 Speaker 1: and our entire technological world and our product world and 1305 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,040 Speaker 1: everything else has has married to that belief that nature 1306 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: is against us and we need to put divides between 1307 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,120 Speaker 1: us and nature. Our shoes we have shoes that are 1308 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,320 Speaker 1: are rubber sold. The rubber is a perfect insulator against 1309 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the largest anti inflammatory source that we have, which is 1310 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,280 Speaker 1: the surface of the planet, which is a continuous stream 1311 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,479 Speaker 1: of negative charge that comes from outer space through the 1312 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Aurora borealis of the northern lights into our feet. And 1313 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 1: that negative charge is the opposite of disease. Cancer is 1314 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,080 Speaker 1: positive charge. Chronic inflammation positive charge. We have a negative 1315 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,439 Speaker 1: charge source called mother Earth, and we insulated ourselves from 1316 01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,000 Speaker 1: that in the nineteen sixties when we went from leather 1317 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,960 Speaker 1: sols to rubbers holes across the board, and we've seen 1318 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,880 Speaker 1: nothing but chronic disease explode ever since we stopped touching 1319 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,599 Speaker 1: the earth. And so I make all my patients sleep 1320 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,920 Speaker 1: on grounding sheets, realizing that I can't get them to 1321 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: touch the ground during the day, at least I can 1322 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,200 Speaker 1: get them to touch the ground during the night. What 1323 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,000 Speaker 1: is the grounding sheet. It's a it's a sheet that 1324 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,200 Speaker 1: goes over your the I like the half sheets to 1325 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,679 Speaker 1: go over the lower half of your bed. And it's 1326 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: a normal, you know, twoun eight thread cotton sheet, but 1327 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 1: then every centimeter is a silver thread and that silver 1328 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,880 Speaker 1: thread then plugs into a central copper conductor and then 1329 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 1: has a little spike that drops into the earth outside 1330 01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: your window, or you can do it into your grounding 1331 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 1: peg on your nearby outlet, and you now are touching 1332 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,960 Speaker 1: mother Earth all night long, and the anti inflammatory effect 1333 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,120 Speaker 1: throughout the night can be profound on sleep quality, sex drive, 1334 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,559 Speaker 1: you know, mood disorders, all of the rest, and so 1335 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 1: just mother's touches as a critical piece. And and running 1336 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,120 Speaker 1: barefoot for a second. And if you haven't been barefoot recently, 1337 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,000 Speaker 1: don't run, just stand there because you've got sensitive feet. 1338 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,559 Speaker 1: But stand in the grass for a moment and just 1339 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,719 Speaker 1: experience what it feels like to have grass between your toes. 1340 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,280 Speaker 1: It's crazy good walk on the beach. A friend of 1341 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,640 Speaker 1: mine who's a health practitioner in Chicago makes people go 1342 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,679 Speaker 1: outside and root around in the earth with bare feet, yes, 1343 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,120 Speaker 1: just to get reconnected. And it's a crazy feeling when 1344 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: you haven't done it in a long crazy feeling you 1345 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,640 Speaker 1: forget right. And then everybody goes on vacation to the 1346 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,560 Speaker 1: Bahamas or Florida or something, and they go to the 1347 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,600 Speaker 1: beach for a week and a little bit known to 1348 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,720 Speaker 1: them as they've just started grounding for the first time, 1349 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,560 Speaker 1: and they all want to move to Florida by the 1350 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,519 Speaker 1: end of their vacation because they're like, this place is 1351 01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,360 Speaker 1: so great. Well, they're not experienced a great place. They're 1352 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,559 Speaker 1: experiencing Mother Earth for the first time. You have Florida 1353 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,800 Speaker 1: right outside your backyard. No matter where you live, you 1354 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,479 Speaker 1: have Mother Earth right there to embrace your feet and 1355 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,559 Speaker 1: to feed you the information. Of course, if you start 1356 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,759 Speaker 1: walking on soil and dirt, what are you actually getting. 1357 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,080 Speaker 1: You're actually getting the microbiome as well. And so when 1358 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 1: you go out there, it's not just the electrical energy 1359 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,479 Speaker 1: of mother it's biodiversity. And if you will walk around 1360 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,840 Speaker 1: in the dirt with those bare feet, you will have 1361 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,200 Speaker 1: a different microbiome on the skin, which will then inform 1362 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the micro organisms your gut and beyond. 1363 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,920 Speaker 1: When you pull a weed, you know here we're talking 1364 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 1: about round up, which is just a weed killer. If 1365 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,559 Speaker 1: we had stopped we had if we hadn't stopped pulling 1366 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 1: weeds and we started just deciding we had to kill them, 1367 01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,559 Speaker 1: we would have this incredible microbiome, right because when you 1368 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,640 Speaker 1: pull a weed, there's this explosion of dirt and microorganisms 1369 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: into the air and you breathe that, and so how 1370 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: do we get reconnected, we get outside, we start interacting, 1371 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,880 Speaker 1: not just to eat the food, but actually interact with 1372 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,040 Speaker 1: soiled itself. We pull weeds. I'm a huge fan of 1373 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,200 Speaker 1: eating off the vine. This is a we don't have 1374 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,920 Speaker 1: time to talk through this whole crazy cool thing. But 1375 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: no animal on Earth goes around eating eating the food 1376 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 1: offs in the ground. Well that's not quite true. There's 1377 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,320 Speaker 1: some scavengers out there, but for the most part, the 1378 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,599 Speaker 1: mammals are all eating living food off the plant. Were 1379 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,320 Speaker 1: the ones that decided we were going to pick that 1380 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: food off the plant, ship it for miles, let it 1381 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: stew in backs of trucks and everything else for for weeks, 1382 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: and then end up with this low energy state, dying 1383 01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,400 Speaker 1: rotting food that's you know, in its last semblances. And 1384 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,840 Speaker 1: you've seen this, like how fast do is does a 1385 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,360 Speaker 1: tomato go? Now? If you buy it and if you're 1386 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,920 Speaker 1: not eating that potato, it starts to rot, and it's like, 1387 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 1: why is this food rotting so quickly? It's because we're 1388 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,000 Speaker 1: pulling it out of its original source. And so I 1389 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: really encourage people to eat a tomato off the vine. 1390 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,320 Speaker 1: It's crazy experience because the moment you touched that thing, 1391 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,679 Speaker 1: it lost its service. A tomato untouched actually has this 1392 01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,559 Speaker 1: this fuzz on it, a tiny, tiny like peach fuzz 1393 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,839 Speaker 1: like experience. And in that fuzz is this very interesting 1394 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,559 Speaker 1: micro ecosystem and and nutrient source as well. And so 1395 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,320 Speaker 1: if you without touching the tomato, will lift the vine 1396 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,760 Speaker 1: and pluck that off. You just had an experience that 1397 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 1: no human has had in in America and probably generations. 1398 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,880 Speaker 1: And so inform yourself by the nature you can touch, 1399 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,920 Speaker 1: inform life within you by the nature you will touch today. 1400 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,280 Speaker 1: And so that's what our our whole thing is now 1401 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,680 Speaker 1: at our clinic and and in my biotech company that 1402 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,720 Speaker 1: I was working to extract things from fossil soils to 1403 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,639 Speaker 1: bring back life that hasn't been touched in eons. We've 1404 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,599 Speaker 1: only been here for two hundred thousand years, and yet 1405 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,800 Speaker 1: we're accessing mineral nutrients now that are and communication between 1406 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,919 Speaker 1: the microbiome from sixty million years ago from the fossil soils. 1407 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,120 Speaker 1: And when you put that in the human system, there's 1408 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,519 Speaker 1: no human cell that's ever seen that before. And so 1409 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,920 Speaker 1: it's so exciting to realize, like as we start to 1410 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,559 Speaker 1: understand that Mother Nature wants to not just co create 1411 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,360 Speaker 1: with the soil in the backyard, but that we have 1412 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,600 Speaker 1: the entire fossil record of life on the earth to 1413 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,200 Speaker 1: interact with. And so when we put these things together, 1414 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,840 Speaker 1: you realize that life can really be something we've never 1415 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,439 Speaker 1: seen before. We are not scratching the surface of human 1416 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,720 Speaker 1: longevity and the opportunity for optional wellness. It's a very 1417 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: exciting thing that we none of us have maybe ever 1418 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:49,880 Speaker 1: seen life healthy. Wow, it makes me excited. And thank 1419 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,320 Speaker 1: you for the resources. I think that that's all just 1420 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,479 Speaker 1: so helpful. One thing I'd like to ask, I have 1421 01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,160 Speaker 1: two more questions for you, um, I think a lot 1422 01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,280 Speaker 1: of people will One or when we talk about regenerative agriculture, 1423 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 1: if it's more expensive, because we've been cultured to believe 1424 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,120 Speaker 1: that things that are good for us are more expensive, 1425 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,040 Speaker 1: when really, when you talk about you know, the shift 1426 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,880 Speaker 1: we made, for example, with sort of home farming in 1427 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,200 Speaker 1: the nineteen forties, eating organic, local used to be the 1428 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,800 Speaker 1: cheapest way to go. It was essentially free. So can 1429 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,640 Speaker 1: we dispel that that fear because in fact, regenerative agriculture 1430 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,479 Speaker 1: is not more expensive, correct, It's cheaper by a long shot. 1431 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,599 Speaker 1: And so the way that we can you know five 1432 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,920 Speaker 1: X and ten x farmers income over the period of 1433 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,000 Speaker 1: five years. We can actually achieve a lot of that 1434 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,559 Speaker 1: in the first year. And so the main expense to 1435 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,959 Speaker 1: a farmer today who's been doing chemical farming is chemical inputs. 1436 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,320 Speaker 1: That's chemical fertilizers that are derived from petroleum, it's chemical herbicides, 1437 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,640 Speaker 1: pest sides of increasing complexity because we have round up 1438 01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,400 Speaker 1: resistant weeds all over this country now that farmers are 1439 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,760 Speaker 1: unable to spray spray round up alone, so they have 1440 01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,639 Speaker 1: to spray diecamba and to f d where as agent 1441 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:05,320 Speaker 1: orange and all these chemicals as a stew into their land. 1442 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,360 Speaker 1: The cost of all that chemical put is extreme. And 1443 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,120 Speaker 1: then their next greatest cost is diesel fuel to run 1444 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,360 Speaker 1: the tractors and the equipment and everything else that's plowing 1445 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,080 Speaker 1: the fields. So if you suddenly stopped putting in fertilizer 1446 01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: and putting in herb size and pest size and stop 1447 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,160 Speaker 1: plowing the field, you just eliminated of all the costs 1448 01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,280 Speaker 1: of the farmer. And so that's how you can double 1449 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,599 Speaker 1: up their their income very quickly. Is and in one 1450 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 1: or two years they're doubling their income on the bottom 1451 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,879 Speaker 1: line because they didn't pay all the banks and chemical 1452 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,320 Speaker 1: companies all this money to put the inputs in, and 1453 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,200 Speaker 1: you're now allowing mother nature to do it better than 1454 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,440 Speaker 1: the chemical companies could. So then you see your yields improving. 1455 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,479 Speaker 1: And so one of many of our farmers experienced under 1456 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,839 Speaker 1: their decades of chemical farming that they're yield of soybeing, 1457 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,120 Speaker 1: for example, went from forty two bushels down to twenty 1458 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,320 Speaker 1: eight bushels over the course of seventeen years. That bankrupts 1459 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,800 Speaker 1: a farm right there, if you lose half of your fertility. 1460 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: What we're doing now, we've got a good example of this. 1461 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,559 Speaker 1: So we're using the fossil soil to demonstrate the power 1462 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,600 Speaker 1: of regenerative farming if we do it quickly. But we 1463 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,679 Speaker 1: just finished are one of our big test plot studies, 1464 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,000 Speaker 1: and we could take tomatoes and grow them in a 1465 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,679 Speaker 1: non chemical environments. We weren't adding an herb sized pestialized 1466 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,360 Speaker 1: anything else but just soil management as you would do today. 1467 01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,920 Speaker 1: Water it, maybe give it a little compost, and when 1468 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,160 Speaker 1: we grow about three point two pounds of tomatoes out 1469 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,320 Speaker 1: of a tomato plant, if you do take that that 1470 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,320 Speaker 1: intelligence of the fossil soil and put that back into 1471 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,120 Speaker 1: two modern soils, we were producing thirty five pounds of 1472 01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,720 Speaker 1: tomatoes out of the same plant, and so you can 1473 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,240 Speaker 1: ten x that return on a tomato plant by doing 1474 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,559 Speaker 1: something deeply regenitive and getting information and biodynamic experience in 1475 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,640 Speaker 1: that soil. And so when we started delivering all of 1476 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,639 Speaker 1: that to the world and and that education, that would 1477 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,639 Speaker 1: help that. I think we can't even imagine how fast 1478 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,720 Speaker 1: we can reverse climate change and the like. Our contribution 1479 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,080 Speaker 1: is c O two in the atmosphere, it's it's tiny 1480 01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,760 Speaker 1: compared to what nature creates. We create, depending what you 1481 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,080 Speaker 1: talked to, anywhere from ten giga tons to thirty five 1482 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,120 Speaker 1: giga tons of carbony year. The ocean produces nineti get 1483 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,800 Speaker 1: tons of carbony year, the soils produced two in our 1484 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,640 Speaker 1: naty giga tons a year, and so mother Earth is 1485 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,479 Speaker 1: good at producing and absorbing c O two. We broke 1486 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,679 Speaker 1: that cycle when we when when we killed her lungs, 1487 01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,720 Speaker 1: which is the soil itself, and so when we killed 1488 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,439 Speaker 1: the lungs of the planet, we started getting CEO to 1489 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,280 Speaker 1: accumulation in the air. We can reverse that in literally 1490 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,240 Speaker 1: in five years. We could reverse everything. We only need 1491 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,120 Speaker 1: to improve carbon sink and capacity or carbon cycling capacity 1492 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,320 Speaker 1: of the soil by zero point four percent and all 1493 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,439 Speaker 1: all of our agricultural lands, and we will reverse the 1494 01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,960 Speaker 1: carbon phenomenon for the globe and and change the trajectory 1495 01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,960 Speaker 1: of global warming. And so in our soils on many 1496 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,000 Speaker 1: of the farms that have been doing biodynamics, they're not 1497 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,879 Speaker 1: improving improving it by zero point four percent, they're improving 1498 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,639 Speaker 1: by eight percent over a decade. And so you don't 1499 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,519 Speaker 1: have to improve all of the soil of the planet. 1500 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,679 Speaker 1: If you're growing eight percent better carbon cycling and soil, 1501 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,920 Speaker 1: you could do that over a very small percentage. And 1502 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,840 Speaker 1: so our organ is really they set out to regenerate 1503 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,400 Speaker 1: five million acres at a deeper level of carbon cycling 1504 01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,280 Speaker 1: than has ever been done, so that we could really 1505 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 1: magnify that to five hundred million acre impact. I mean, 1506 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,680 Speaker 1: that would be a dream if we could, If we 1507 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 1: could do this across the planet, I'd be very excited. 1508 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,800 Speaker 1: We will or or Mother Earth will do it without us. 1509 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,479 Speaker 1: And so that's the exciting thing. You know, it's gonna happen, 1510 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,479 Speaker 1: and Mother Earth is going to recover herself. And she's 1511 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,760 Speaker 1: done it five other times. There's been five other great 1512 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,760 Speaker 1: extinctions on the planet. And through the same process of 1513 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,000 Speaker 1: killing your top soil. Interestingly, so the dinosaurs all one 1514 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,680 Speaker 1: extinct when there was an asteroid and kill the top 1515 01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,880 Speaker 1: soil through a layer of dust. And so when we 1516 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,080 Speaker 1: lose top soil, when we kill that microbi and we 1517 01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,360 Speaker 1: lose life on Earth. And so we're doing that again 1518 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,880 Speaker 1: now through her own human behavior. But we can change 1519 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,599 Speaker 1: that instantaneously over the next five years. I really believe 1520 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,120 Speaker 1: we could change the entire agricultural system of the whole world, 1521 01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,439 Speaker 1: and we could see a complete reversal of of our 1522 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,800 Speaker 1: impact and we could start to understand, all right, if 1523 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,479 Speaker 1: that works at the soil level, then what is a 1524 01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,840 Speaker 1: cell phone gonna look like in ten years. I have 1525 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,599 Speaker 1: a real passion for re inventing the idea of our 1526 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:05,920 Speaker 1: technological wireless communication because cells do wireless communication, which means 1527 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,320 Speaker 1: water does wireless communication. Funge i do wireless communication. So 1528 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,320 Speaker 1: why did we think we needed a radiation devices to 1529 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,800 Speaker 1: create information streams of across the plant. We don't need it. 1530 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,080 Speaker 1: Nature has already shown us how to do wireless communication, 1531 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,559 Speaker 1: and so we need to start designing in the mindset 1532 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,120 Speaker 1: of what did mother nature to do to do life 1533 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,840 Speaker 1: and do communication? And do you know regenerative and fact 1534 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,559 Speaker 1: generative process where life on Earth is always better every 1535 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,920 Speaker 1: year because there's more diversity, because there's no more knowledge, 1536 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,160 Speaker 1: there's more shared electrons, there's more of everything. And that's 1537 01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,360 Speaker 1: where we're heading. I think is the potential of either 1538 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 1: massive metamorphosis as a species in a planet or a 1539 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,880 Speaker 1: rapid decline and then mother starts over. Wow, I'd like 1540 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,400 Speaker 1: to vote for option A. Please, good call. That would 1541 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:53,040 Speaker 1: be my choice. Do you want to run for president? Hey, 1542 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,120 Speaker 1: we can talk about it. Maybe we all Maybe we 1543 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,880 Speaker 1: should run as a unit and you know, get a 1544 01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,920 Speaker 1: couple of like minded people and just try to change 1545 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,240 Speaker 1: the system. I'm not a post It's totally doable, and 1546 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,360 Speaker 1: we're seeing governors do that. We're seeing local community members 1547 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,800 Speaker 1: do that at their city council level. Um, we can 1548 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,320 Speaker 1: stop letting waiting for the candidate to come down the 1549 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,880 Speaker 1: pathway and we could simply create a new, a new 1550 01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,960 Speaker 1: pathway for politics. I like that plan. So I have 1551 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,080 Speaker 1: a final question for you, which I ask everyone. The 1552 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,519 Speaker 1: title of the pod is work in progress. I'm curious 1553 01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,519 Speaker 1: when you hear that phrase, what comes to mind as 1554 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,639 Speaker 1: a work in progress in your life? Right now? Me 1555 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm a total work in progress. It's interesting. Yeah, It's 1556 01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,000 Speaker 1: like for all the stuff I do and think and 1557 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,480 Speaker 1: experience and all my companies are doing so many fascinating, 1558 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,800 Speaker 1: interesting things, arounded by brilliant people all the time, and 1559 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,400 Speaker 1: yet you know, in my simple, you know, experience with 1560 01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,960 Speaker 1: my wife waking up on the pillow every morning, I'm 1561 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,479 Speaker 1: amazed that I'm not a better human being. I'm amazed 1562 01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,080 Speaker 1: that I'm not better communicating than I am. I'm amazed 1563 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,519 Speaker 1: that I get frustrated. I'm amazed that I can feel 1564 01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,439 Speaker 1: any sense of scarcity in my life at all, because 1565 01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,840 Speaker 1: I know I come from a universe of abundance. I 1566 01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,639 Speaker 1: know I come from a complete energy source that only 1567 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,040 Speaker 1: wants me to thrive and rise and reconnect to it. 1568 01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,240 Speaker 1: And so how how is it that I fall short 1569 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 1: of that each day? So I am a work in progress, 1570 01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:13,960 Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to see who I can become 1571 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,639 Speaker 1: in the next year's by continuing to surrender what people 1572 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,360 Speaker 1: are telling me today, it's great. Thank you so much, 1573 01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,440 Speaker 1: so glad to be here with you, and thanks, appreciate you. Yeah. Likewise, 1574 01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,320 Speaker 1: this show is executive produced by me, Sophia Bush, and 1575 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:39,160 Speaker 1: sim Sarna Our supervising producer is Alison Bresnick, our associate 1576 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,160 Speaker 1: producer is Kate Linley, Our editor is Josh Wendish, and 1577 01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,680 Speaker 1: our music was written by Jack Garrett and produced by 1578 01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,599 Speaker 1: Mark Foster. 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