1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Daybreak podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Tuesday, the seventh of January. Here in London. 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepke. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Mark Karney says 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: he's considering running to succeed Justin Trudeau as Canada's Prime minister. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: UK political parties come together to urge Trump to reconsider 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: his relationship with Elon Musk. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: Plus Olaf Schultz's bid to reinvent Germany as a chip 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: superpower of flounders after a big setback from Intel, we 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: have a special report. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: Mark Karney, the former governor of the Bank of England 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: and Bank of Canada, says he's considering entering the race 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: to replace Justin Trudeau as Canada's Prime minister. Karney, the 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: current chair of Bloomberg's Board of directors, said he's encouraged 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: by support from Liberal lawmakers and backers. Trudeau is i 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: as prime minister after more than nine years in office. 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: He cited his ability his inability to unite his Liberal 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: party while facing declining poll ratings under rebellion from within 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: the party. 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: I have always been driven by my love for Canada, 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: by my desire to serve Canadians, and by what is 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: in the best interest of Canadians. And Canadians deserve a 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: real choice in the next election, and it has become 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: obvious to me with the internal battles, that I cannot 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: be the one to carry the Liberal standard into the 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 3: next election. 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: Trudeau will remain as Prime Minister until the new leader 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: is selected, it will likely be in March. His decision 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: to step down comes amid mounting discontent over high inflation, 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: weak economic growth, under perceived mismanagement of immigration. Canada's Conservative 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: Party has built a twenty point lead in polls ahead 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: of an election due by October. 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: Nvidia's CEO Jensen Wong, has announced a range of new chips, software, 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and services as the company looks to maintain its lead 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: in artificial intelligence. Interest in Nvidia's products has exploded as 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: companies rush to use more AI computing gear. Woe spoke 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: to a PACT Arena at the opening of the Consumer 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: Electronics Show in Las Vegas, and so when. 41 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: You see application after applications that are AI driven AI 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: native at the core of it. This fundamental concept is there. 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 4: Machine learning has changed how every application is going to 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 4: be built, how computing will be done, and the possibilities beyond. 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: And you can catch our interview with Nvidia CEO Jensen 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Wong in a special edition of Bloomberg Technology tomorrow that's 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: at eleven thirty am Eastern Time or four thirty pm 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: here in London. 49 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: The US has blacklisted ten Cent and contemporary Amperex Technology 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: Limited not as Cattle for alleged links to the Chinese military. 51 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's China correspondent minmn Loo says the move puts the 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: target on both China's top electric vehicle battery maker and 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: its most valuable company. 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 5: It is the heaviest way that's stock in the MSCI, 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 5: sixteen percent of the index. So any outside move there 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 5: we're really weigh down on the broader index. And of 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 5: course question is whether Tencent can recover from this because 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 5: in the past there has been companies like cell Me 59 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 5: for instance, her Size another one that has managed to 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: get themselves off that blacklist, so that is still a 61 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 5: possibility as well. 62 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: Men Menlo ads that both companies say their addition to 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: the blacklist is a mistake. The surprise move comes ahead 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: of Trump's presidency, which is expected to bring an array 65 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: of new tariffs. The President elect posted on truth Social 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: yesterday to deny a report that he might moderate any 67 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: plans for across the board tariffs. 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: Facebook's parent company Meta has named three new directors to 69 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: its board. The list includes UFC CEO and staunch Trump 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: supporter Dana White, who introduced the President elect at this 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: summer's Republican National Convention. Meta founder Mark Zuckerberg has been 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: working to improve his firm's relationship with Donald Trump, including 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: dining with him at Tamara Lago estate in November. With 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: more on the other appointments his Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. 75 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 6: Along with White, the social media company named Charlie Songhurst, 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 6: an investor and former Microsoft executive who already advises Meta 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 6: on artificial intelligence products, and John Elkhan, the CEO of Xor, 78 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 6: which is a holding company controlled by the Annelli family 79 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 6: that has stakes in European businesses including Ferrari Here in 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 6: New York, Charlie Pellett, Bloomberg Radio. 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: Senior politicians in three of the UK's major parties have 82 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: verged Donald Trump's allies to reconsider his relationship with Elon Musk. 83 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: The tech billionaire endorsed far right activist Tommy Robinson and 84 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: called for Prime Minister cair Starmer to be imprisoned. In 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: a series of posts online, Starmer says a line has 86 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: been crossed. 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 7: Those that are spreading lies and in misinformation as far 88 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 7: and as wide as possible. They're not interested in victims, 89 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 7: They're interested in themselves. Those were cheerleading Tommy Robinson. They're 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 7: supporting a man who went to prison for nearly collapsing 91 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 7: a grooming case. 92 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: As well as Timer's public rebuke, Bloomberg has learned figures 93 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 2: at the top of the Labor government, the Conservative opposition, 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: and the Reformed UK Party have all privately warned Trump's 95 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: circle that Mosk is damaging the incoming president's reputation in Britain. 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: The complaint is a rare show of unity in the 97 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: UK when it comes to US politics and Trump representing 98 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: a combined seventy two percent of the vote. 99 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: The UK's long term boring costs have come close to 100 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: their highest level in more than a quarter of a century. 101 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: That's ramping up pressure on Chancellor Rachel Reeves to keep 102 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: the market on side ahead of a raft of bond 103 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: sales this week. Bloomberg's James Walcock has more. 104 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 8: When the UK's debt management offer comes to market this morning, 105 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 8: it will be the first time since the days of 106 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 8: Gordon Brown when thirty year guilts are being issued with 107 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 8: an average yield above five percent. That's an eyewatering level 108 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 8: for Britain, one not seen since the nineteen nineties bar 109 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 8: a sudden spike in the trust era. It's also threatening 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 8: the government's fiscal rules. The higher cost of debt caused 111 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 8: in part by Rachel Reeves's budget and the interest rate 112 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 8: environment could force the Chancellor to break her promise and 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 8: be forced to raise more taxes in London. James Wilcock, 114 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 8: Bloomberg Radio. 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: And UK Guilty has closed yesterday at five point one 116 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: eight percent of the world's biggest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates, 117 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 2: has dismissed seven percent of its workforce. In a letter 118 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: to investors, Bridgewater said the decision to cut around ninety 119 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: jobs had been made to maintain a dynamic ecosystem of 120 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: ideas and innovation. Founded by Ray Dalio, Bridgewater posted double 121 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: digit returns for most of its strategies last year, with 122 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: about one hundred and sixty billion dollar Doo's under management 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: as of July. 124 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: And those are some of our top stories for you 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: this morning. In terms of the markets this hour, so 126 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: the US dollar yesterday was weakened by nearly a full 127 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: percentage point after a Washington Post article claiming the limited 128 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: scope of Donald Trump's tariffs. This morning, the dollar is 129 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: down another tenth of one percent, and we mentioned in 130 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: the top stories that article was later denied by Donald Trump. 131 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: The US dollar recovered somewhat it ended the session, though 132 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: we can zero point six percent yesterday and again we're 133 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: down this morning. So that on the dollar. In terms 134 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: of stop futures this morning, they are looking softer for 135 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the US certainly for the NASDAT futures they're down almost 136 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: two tenths of one percent. Shrugging off a keynote speech 137 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: from the Nvidia boss Jensen one overnight at CES in 138 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, the Hang saying is down this morning one 139 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: point nine percent and ten cent slumping at seven point 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: four percent this morning. This as the Japanese yen is 141 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: weak at and EU opinion still futures of down four 142 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: ten percent in. 143 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: A moment we'll bring you more on the Canadian politics, 144 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: plus tell you why German dreams of becoming a semiconductor 145 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: superpower are now fading. But in the story that caught 146 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: our eye this morning about Carolyn, we you know, we 147 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: have a thing about tracking watch prices on this program. 148 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: Some people are very interested in the prices of the 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: top watch brands. 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering whether you've got a bonus. Maybe that's 151 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: spanning a hole in your pocket. Yam told me about. 152 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: I have a Warner watched since two thousand and six. 153 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 6: I love mine. 154 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we do always like to track it blue 155 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: Big Subdal Watch index. Of course, the news is that 156 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: the most sought after used watches like you know, Relax 157 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: and Patic, Philippe and so on, they fell again in 158 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. 159 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah indeed, and looking at you know the level, the 160 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: lowest level in three years from any of the popular 161 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: models as well. So I mean Rolex models down about 162 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: five percent during the year. Patok Polipe price is down 163 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: about four percent as well. This is all based on 164 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: the sort of the sub dial what trading platform that 165 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: the tracts the price for the second hand watches as well, 166 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: So I mean over two years. You're talking about Bloomberg 167 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: subdial index being dead about thirteen percent. 168 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, significant job. I suppose there was a big bump 169 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: also post pandemic. During the pandemic, I suppose, and lockdowns 170 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: of people looking for those time pieces. Anyway, nice story 171 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg terminal. 172 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 2: That's bringing more now. In our top story this morning, 173 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: Mark Carney says he's considering running to succeed Justin Trudeau, 174 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: who is resigning as Canada's Prime minister after more than 175 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: a year of week polling numbers. Other potential candidates include 176 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: Christia Freeland and Dominique LeBlanc, who replaced her as Finance minister. 177 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: Joining us now to discuss is Bloomberg's executive editor for Canada, 178 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: Derek d'cluet, who's in Toronto for US. Derek, thanks for 179 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: joining us. Who then has the best chance of succeeding 180 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau. 181 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 9: It's bitterly to say, and it's hard to know, but 182 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 9: the biggest names in this race would seem be Mark Carney, 183 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 9: as you mentioned, and Christian Freeland, who is the former 184 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 9: Finance minister and the former deputy Prime minister who really 185 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 9: set today's events in motion. Just before Christmas when she 186 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 9: resigned and published this scathing resignation letter that essentially accused 187 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 9: Trudeau of not taking Donald Trump's trade threats seriously enough, 188 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 9: and that is something from which Trudeau could not recover. 189 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 9: So those are the biggest names, but there are other 190 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 9: members of Trudeau's cabinet who will be taken seriously in 191 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 9: the Liberal leadership contest. One of them is the Foreign Minister, 192 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 9: Melanie Jolie. It's been involved in, you know, lots of 193 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 9: hot files, like the Ukraine obviously, the Israel Gaza conflict. 194 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 9: Dominic LeBlanc is a very well respected Liberal who's now 195 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 9: the Finance minister who replaced Christian Freeland, is thought to 196 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 9: be interested. And then there are some even lesser known 197 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 9: candidates such as Chris D. Clark, who's the ex Premier 198 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 9: of British Columbia but had a fairly successful run at 199 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 9: that in charge of that province and is said to 200 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 9: be exploring this. So there will be there will be 201 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 9: a lot of interest because it's not a job that 202 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 9: comes open very often. 203 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I suppose why did Trudeau resign in the end. 204 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the polling numbers have been bad for a 205 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: long time, but what do you think sort of pushed 206 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: him too that final decision. 207 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 9: Well, his party essentially forced him to. I mean, it's 208 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 9: one thing when your polling numbers are bad and it's 209 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 9: two years till the next election. It's another thing when 210 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 9: the polling numbers are bad and it's only a few 211 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 9: months till the next election. There are one hundred and 212 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 9: fifty three Liberal members of Parliament and dozens wanted him gone, 213 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 9: and some of them were quite open about it. One 214 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 9: member of parliament said he would be delusional if he stayed. 215 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 9: Others said it would it was totally not tenable for 216 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 9: him to try to run another election, and so essentially 217 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 9: the political support that he had within his own party 218 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 9: had just leached out from underneath him and there was 219 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 9: there was no way he could carry on. 220 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: This is happening, of course, when we are also watching 221 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: events across the border in the United States and the 222 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: inauguration of Donald Trump due in the next couple of weeks. 223 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: I mean, what are likely to be the big issues 224 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: in this leadership race, and is the threat of tariff's 225 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: likely to be high among them? 226 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 9: I think it's probably the number one issue. I mean, 227 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 9: it is hard to think of a of a current 228 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 9: economic issue that is more pressing than that one twenty 229 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 9: five percent tariffs, if the Trump administration were to carry 230 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 9: that through, would be very harmful of the Canadian economy, 231 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 9: and which you know about seventy five percent roughly. If 232 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 9: Canadian exports, you know, go to the US, and there 233 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 9: are a whole bunch of pretty important sectors for which 234 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 9: there's not a lot of alternatives. The vast majority of 235 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 9: the cars that cars and trucks the Canada builds, you know, 236 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 9: go to the US, the vast majority of the oil, 237 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 9: and you know a lot of the natural resources. Just 238 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 9: the geographic proximity is such that Canada has become very 239 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 9: reliant on this trade. So it's it's going to be 240 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 9: the number one issue, I think, particularly as Trump seems 241 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,119 Speaker 9: so serious about carrying out with his tariff threats. 242 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, And so what is going to happen next 243 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: you think in terms of that leadership race, as you say, 244 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: many months away from the deadline to hold a national 245 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: election in Canada. So where do you think things are 246 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: going to go now? 247 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 9: Well, I mean the Liberal Party has to set out 248 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 9: rules in a date and a process and for how 249 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 9: they're going to choose the new leader, and then all 250 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 9: these candidates I mentioned, they're going to have to make 251 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 9: decisions really fast. Typically, when when the Liberal Party is 252 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 9: not in power and it wants to choose a new leader, 253 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 9: it will take like a year to do. So it's 254 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 9: only got a couple of months to get the job done, 255 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 9: to have debates and for these candidates to center the 256 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 9: platform of why people should vote for them and sort 257 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 9: of return to the Liberal brand it is. It's a 258 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 9: big challenge. So they will have to have that leadership 259 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 9: contest by probably the middle of March, and we could 260 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 9: be into a national election as early as potentially April 261 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 9: or May. 262 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Derek, thanks so much for joining us. That's Direktor 263 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: Clue out there in Toronto, Bloomberg's executive editor for Canada. 264 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Now, let's send our attention to Germany. Olaf Schultz's aim 265 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: to reinvent Germany as a chip superpower is foundering after 266 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: a big setback from Intel. Now voters are expected to 267 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: punish his failure to build firm foundations for economic growth 268 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: in the country. It's the subject of a deep dive 269 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg terminal today and joining us now as 270 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's German Finance and Economy ministry reporter Camille Kevi who 271 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: joins US. Now, Camille, great to have you on this story. 272 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Why did you give this story to sort of highlight 273 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: the issues of Earl of Schultz's government. 274 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 10: Yeah, well, the hi guys. Firstly, good morning from Berlin. Well, 275 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 10: the starting point of the story is kind of the 276 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 10: largest foreign investment ever made in Germany. Were pretty billion euros, right, 277 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 10: so at least that's what everyone thought. It's the US 278 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 10: company Into announced to build one of its chip factories 279 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 10: in eastern Germany. It's a structurally weak region that was 280 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 10: under Soviet occupation quite some time, and we decided we 281 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 10: decided for this story. It is because all of Schultz, 282 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 10: Germany's chancellor. He put a lot of political capital on 283 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 10: this project, and there was a lot of taxpayers money, 284 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 10: like we're ten billion, and there was hardly a speech 285 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 10: in which he didn't mention this, this this investment in Germany. 286 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 6: And rightly so. 287 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 10: I mean, chips are essential for our digitalized squad rides 288 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 10: and they are building in everyday devices like washing machines, cars, 289 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 10: smart forms, and are also essential for the future like 290 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 10: technology AI. Yeah, but that and in some points the 291 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 10: news broken and Intel announced that due to its economic problems, 292 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 10: it would pass the construction of the factory in Germany. 293 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 10: And and almost everyone in the industry says that the 294 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 10: company wants continue to build it and that was the 295 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 10: end of the chancellor stream to build a chip cluster 296 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 10: in eastern Germany. 297 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: So is this can the blame for those really be 298 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: pinned on Olaf Schaltz then, or is this just an 299 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: economic decision being made by Intel? 300 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 10: Intel CEO had Gelsinger. He miscalculated and he actually had 301 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 10: to leave the company, as you may know, and the 302 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 10: chip industry, like many others, is dependent on economic cycles, 303 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 10: right one them to dem and the hire for chips 304 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 10: on tim lower. But it's it's not only but that 305 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 10: there were like a few of red flags right that 306 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 10: the industry, you knew about the problems that that Intel had. 307 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 10: They had found technology behind technologically compared to its competitors 308 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 10: like C and And secondly, it was also very very 309 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 10: hard decision, let's say, seen by the German media very 310 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 10: critically that that he paid. He was ready to pay 311 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 10: ten billion euros for just one US company and in 312 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 10: times of really tight budgets, I mean they had to 313 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 10: cut costs for social spending at some point or they 314 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 10: planned to that was within the negotiation, and then you 315 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 10: paid like ten billion for one company. And so it 316 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 10: was a very very critical view of debt. Yeah. 317 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But with the loss of this what does it 318 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: mean for Germany and for Europe? We know the difficulties 319 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: that the German industry has been under. Are there alternatives? 320 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: What are the next steps? 321 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 10: Yes, it's definitely a major setback for Germany. It was 322 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 10: the great jobs and then to to cushion the loser 323 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 10: of the former industries like the coal mining. And we 324 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 10: also have to think of the security issues. For example, 325 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 10: think of the Corona crisis, which which led to supply 326 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 10: chain problems and major comkers very important for Germany's economy, 327 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 10: like Volkswagen, BMW and the UDI. They have been unable 328 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 10: to complete the cars because of of the lack of 329 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 10: JIP supply and and or thing of Taiwan. You never 330 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 10: know if when or if China will attack it. And 331 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 10: then there's the headquarters of TSMC, the biggest chip producing 332 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 10: the world. So it's not only an issue of of 333 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 10: of growth. Germany is like not growing as the second 334 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 10: conserve here in four. So it's also a security issue 335 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 10: and that's bad for Germany, it's bad for Europe. 336 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: What about the subsidies that were involved in this Ten 337 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 2: billion euros had been allocated for this Intel project, and 338 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: I suppose does it leave any alternatives for the German 339 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: government in trying to find somebody else to make this 340 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: sort of investment. 341 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 10: Yeah, they're trying, but with less money because they don't 342 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 10: have it anymore. They actually use the ten billion to 343 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 10: plug budget holes. Actually it was so practical that we're 344 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 10: into we're drawing was good for Shorts in a way 345 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 10: that he was able to plug some budget holes. 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