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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Hunting Collective. I'm been O'Brien

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Speaker 1: and I'm here with Phil the engine near Philip. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing I'm doing very well. Thank you Ben,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Phil. Yeah, there's thank you. There's there's a

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Speaker 1: thaw happening in Bozeman right now. It's very warm. I know, dude.

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Speaker 1: I just stepped outside. Because I spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: my days on zoom and then talking into a microphone.

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Speaker 1: I stepped outside and it is very nice. I was

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Speaker 1: week ago, it was like degrees below zero. What's happened?

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Speaker 1: I'm not even wearing pants right now. It's that warm.

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Speaker 1: It's a heat wave. Hey. Here's the thing I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to give, like a quick uh story from the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I took my son ice for you know, my son

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Speaker 1: used the Lake Pond, small body of water where we

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Speaker 1: catch a lot of pan fish. We go there all

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Speaker 1: the time. It's fun. We went there and when we

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Speaker 1: Have you ever drilled a hole in the ice. Have

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Speaker 1: you have been ice fishing? I have been ice fishing.

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Speaker 1: I have not done the drilling myself. Ah, well, I

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Speaker 1: I went to Yeah you would. You're a very famous

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Speaker 1: ice fisherman from the Mediator podcast. My first fish was

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Speaker 1: me catching it. Yes, yeah, it'll be similar to the

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Speaker 1: that guaranteed, it's a guarantee. Um. But we went fishing.

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Speaker 1: We did. My plan was to drill one hole and

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Speaker 1: My son accidentally dropped some of the maggots into the hole,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna cover that hall. It just kicks

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Speaker 1: And when he eats trail mix, he just eats the eminem's.

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Speaker 1: They just will only eat the raisins and the banana

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna it's not gonna go well. His attitude

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Speaker 1: their mission to bring more Hunters of Color into the fold.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that before we get to it, but

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Speaker 1: everyone for filling the THHC inbox with pure joy. Um Josh,

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Speaker 1: names anymore, Josh e he said, Dear sweet Benjamin and Philip, Ben,

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Speaker 1: course I can run into you one day and genuinely

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Speaker 1: and not the renowned bow Jangles famous chicken and biscuits.

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Speaker 1: I too was almost tricked by their name thievery as

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Speaker 1: there's no pushing people to believe what you believe. It

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Speaker 1: is a very objective. Hey, look here's a problem. Here

428
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Speaker 1: are the numbers which will year about coming up and

429
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Speaker 1: here as how these two people want to address this

430
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Speaker 1: issue in our space. And so you know, if we

431
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a bombastic podcast that pissed everybody off

432
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Speaker 1: and got a much controversy, this I don't think this

433
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Speaker 1: one is it. Although there'll be a lot of people

434
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Speaker 1: that call us woke and get mad at us just

435
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Speaker 1: for doing this, as it seems to be common. But

436
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Speaker 1: this is a conversation with where two good people are

437
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Speaker 1: trying to make a difference and they're and they're not

438
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Speaker 1: just talking about they're actually doing it. So that's how

439
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Speaker 1: I see it. I don't see a whole lot, you know,

440
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Speaker 1: to disagree with here. That very much goes to hundreds

441
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Speaker 1: of colors and organization that's young, but it also goes

442
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Speaker 1: to the year of the new Hunter, having mentors and

443
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Speaker 1: understanding that it's kind of one step at a time

444
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Speaker 1: towards the diversity I think anybody objectively should want for

445
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Speaker 1: the outdoors, because that diversity means more people doing what

446
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Speaker 1: we love to do and supporting us and touting us

447
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: and and coming to this thing. You'll hear, of course,

448
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Speaker 1: my analogy about I want to have a town with

449
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Speaker 1: with more diversity. As I walked down the streets. I

450
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Speaker 1: want to see any collectic group of people doing what

451
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: I do, Unlike that dude to Minnesota. I don't want

452
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Speaker 1: everybody to look like me, because that's not interesting, that's boring.

453
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Speaker 1: And so that's how I believe we can shape this

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Speaker 1: this conversation with Jimmy and Lydia. They are awesome people

455
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Speaker 1: and we're going to continue to work with them because

456
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Speaker 1: I think they have a really good handle on on

457
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Speaker 1: what we're doing here. So feel any thoughts. I know

458
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Speaker 1: this is something that you like to do. Want you

459
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Speaker 1: know this, this kind of conversation is something that UM

460
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Speaker 1: You've seen is very very good and very valuable in

461
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Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's just very easy,

462
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Speaker 1: and not even just with the topic of of UM

463
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: minorities in in the hunting space, but literally anything in

464
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Speaker 1: your life. It's much easier to turn a blind eye

465
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Speaker 1: to something that doesn't directly affect you, pretend it doesn't exist.

466
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Speaker 1: But this absolutely does affect you. And and I think

467
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Speaker 1: it's really important to think about the people whom it

468
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Speaker 1: does affect directly and just and just here their perspective

469
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Speaker 1: and their point of view and just be a little

470
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Speaker 1: bit open to empathy and think about what steps small

471
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Speaker 1: or large you can take in your life to keep

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Speaker 1: hunting and the outdoors thriving and uh welcoming place for everyone. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will say, look, this is a These topics can

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Speaker 1: be fraught, um, but they can also be relatively simple

475
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Speaker 1: as as the way we approach them. That's the way

476
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Speaker 1: I look at them, and I look at this is

477
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Speaker 1: a very easy equation to to suss out you know

478
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Speaker 1: here that in detail here in a minute, but it's

479
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Speaker 1: a very easy equation to look at we objectively have, um,

480
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Speaker 1: I a dominant percentage of the hunting culture that is

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Speaker 1: one skin color and one gender. Really too, Um, that's

482
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Speaker 1: not I'm not blaming that on anybody. I'm not asking

483
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Speaker 1: anybody feel bad about that. I feel sorry for that,

484
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Speaker 1: but I'm asking an open ear for change. And and and

485
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Speaker 1: Lydia and Jimmy are asking you for empathy to their situation.

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Speaker 1: And we you'll hear in a minute some micro and

487
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Speaker 1: macro examples of how this looks on a broad statistical level,

488
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Speaker 1: how it has become what it is now, and then

489
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Speaker 1: on a in a very personal level, how it impacts

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Speaker 1: people who are both mentors and mentees veteran hunters and

491
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Speaker 1: new hunters how this personally impacts hunters of color out

492
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Speaker 1: there in the world. And so we'll we'll get into it,

493
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: will delve into it. Everybody will come in, hopefully with

494
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Speaker 1: all their baggage sluffed off, and listen very closely the

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Speaker 1: words that Jimmy and Lydia have to say, and we'll

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Speaker 1: take it from there. With this conversation which will not stop.

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Speaker 1: We will continue it when we can pick it up

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Speaker 1: in a constructive way. So please enjoy Hunters of Color Founders,

499
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Speaker 1: Jimmy and Lyddy. Jimmy and Lydia, how's it going good?

500
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: Are you? Ben? Couldn't be better? We were just talking

501
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: about whether differences. It's cold and sunny here, and you

502
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: guys are telling me you're in Oregon. What's going on? Probably?

503
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Speaker 1: Can I guess that it's raining? I guess it's a

504
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: constant drizzle here and the william A Valley of Oregon. Oh,

505
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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful place. I have some friends that are

506
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Speaker 1: from near there. Um, what is the first question I

507
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Speaker 1: have for you? Among many things? What is your what's

508
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Speaker 1: the hunting season look like? Yes, turkey hunters, bear hunters like,

509
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Speaker 1: how do you how does it lying out for you

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Speaker 1: at current time? So I'm the resident hunter here. Um

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Speaker 1: Lydia is going to be my mentee for this year.

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Speaker 1: Um and right now I'm waiting on my spring bear

513
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Speaker 1: hunt results to come up. Uh, they should be available

514
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Speaker 1: in two days and then our springs turkey season starts

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Speaker 1: up in April. Um So waiting on a bear tag

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Speaker 1: and uh turkey tag me too, me too? Similar? Uh

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Speaker 1: Solidia never hunted hunt curious Jimmy's making you do it?

518
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Speaker 1: Tell us the truth here. So yeah, basically a little

519
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Speaker 1: bit of everything. Um. I grew up fishing and camping,

520
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Speaker 1: and I grew up in the state of Oregon, so

521
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: we're everything's outdoors everything um So, very comfortable outside, done

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00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: everything but hunting basically. Um and I grew up in

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Speaker 1: a hunting family, so I was kind of the odd

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Speaker 1: one out as far as the rest of my family goes.

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Speaker 1: And then when Jimmy started up this um jewel, Jimmy

526
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Speaker 1: and I started up Hundreds of Color. Jimmy his whole

527
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: platform wanted to be a mentorship program. And we were

528
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Speaker 1: talking to Chad Brown out of Portland here on Seoul River, Inc.

529
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Speaker 1: And Love is King freed to Rome, and he brought

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Speaker 1: up the idea that we have to have a proof

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Speaker 1: of concept, and so Jimmy said, Hey, Lydia, why don't

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Speaker 1: you be our proof of concept? I will mentor you

533
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Speaker 1: because if I were to go out right now and

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Speaker 1: and try to go turkey hunting, I wouldn't have the

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Speaker 1: first idea even how to buy a tag or a

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Speaker 1: license or do wear camo like I don't I don't

537
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean about to paint my face camo? Um. Yeah,

538
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: so that's basically how we got into it. I'm really excited.

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00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, we have our engineer and my co host,

540
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: as it were, our beloved filled the engineer on this show.

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Speaker 1: He is going to take his first turkey hunt with

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Speaker 1: me in May. So we have been working through he

543
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: took his hunter's safety last fall and then we've been

544
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Speaker 1: working through gun safety and we're gonna get in the

545
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: soon as it warms up here. We'll be out on

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Speaker 1: public lands shooting shotguns, learning about how they were and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Where are you guys at in that process? Have you

548
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Speaker 1: have you done the prewhere because the hunter safety and

549
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Yeah? So, um, one of

550
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: our first dates so Leady and I are a couple.

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Speaker 1: One of our first dates totally out shooting. It's kind

552
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Speaker 1: of like my my test for her to see how

553
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Speaker 1: she handled a gun and she knew how to where

554
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Speaker 1: to point it, where to to leave the chamber unloaded

555
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: all the time. And um, so I knew that she

556
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Speaker 1: had safety um background, and so we kind of just

557
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: refined those those skills that she had. And I think

558
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: the next step is just for her to get herself

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Speaker 1: mentally prepared to uh to take a life and procure meat.

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Speaker 1: So I already do archery too, so that's definitely on

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Speaker 1: the table. Um. I know that it would be easier

562
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Speaker 1: with gun, but it's definitely on the table too to

563
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Speaker 1: go archery. Turkey hunting, Yeah, is there anything that you've

564
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Speaker 1: worked through thus far? I mean, obviously, sometimes the killing

565
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: of the animals is either the first thing you think

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Speaker 1: about and the last thing you do. Uh and hunting,

567
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Speaker 1: and have you thought through that yet? Have you guys

568
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Speaker 1: talked about how to prepare for that moment? So there's

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Speaker 1: a reason that we're starting with turkeys. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: I know the reason. So I've I mean, I've I've

571
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Speaker 1: fished my entire life and I know how to kill fish.

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Speaker 1: I'm really good at it, and I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with it. Um, And I also understand the value of

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Speaker 1: living beings and respecting life, all lives, and uh, turkeys

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Speaker 1: for some reason, maybe because they're not fluffy and cute

576
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Speaker 1: like Bamby, it's easier for me to do that, to

577
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Speaker 1: transition that way, and hopefully I can get up to

578
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Speaker 1: the bigger game at some point. But that's probably what

579
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Speaker 1: you're going to guess, huh exactly. Yeah, you're not alone.

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Speaker 1: I think that is a I'm not sure. I think

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Speaker 1: it's the looks thing. I think you'll you know, when

582
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Speaker 1: you get out in the fields, you'll find a certain

583
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Speaker 1: respect for him, spending a lot of time trying to

584
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Speaker 1: get them close to you. But that is a very

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Speaker 1: common thought that turkeys is the easiest because they're just

586
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Speaker 1: they don't have those Joey, I was looking at you.

587
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: They're just man, they're you know, they're beautiful in some

588
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: ways and not so much in others. So I under

589
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: totally understand. Um, is this is that going to be

590
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Speaker 1: the first hunt of you guys talked about exactly what

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Speaker 1: the first thought is gonna be. Yeah, So I have

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Speaker 1: um a couple of properties here that have like a

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Speaker 1: resident block or heard of turkey of a few hundreds strong.

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Speaker 1: Um And last year when I went out, it took

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Speaker 1: me five minutes after setting up the blind to get

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Speaker 1: one with my bow. Um. So I'm hoping that, um

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Speaker 1: it's as easy or not as easy, but I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: that Lydia find success in a short period of time,

599
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Speaker 1: whereas I mean, it took me a few years to

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Speaker 1: even bag my first turkey. So yeah, yeah, that's the

601
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: in that like the thing that you're trying to weigh, right,

602
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: how quickly do you want to find success because some

603
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: of that hardships would make that makes that success feel good.

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00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: So in Philly Engineer's case, I'm gonna take him out

605
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: like seven days to where there's no turkeys at all.

606
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna hike out to like sheep territory and he's

607
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: going to be confused, but it's for his own good. Yeah,

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00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm laying towards that too. Maybe we'll go hike

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00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: and along the beach or something like that and then uh,

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00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: then we'll drive back to Corvallis. And yeah, I mean

611
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: everything for you guys is a date. So it's you know,

612
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: it's just time together until until time to pull the trigger.

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00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: It's true, it might be a little bit more romantic

614
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: than you and Phil's outing. Well, we're pretty close. Uh.

615
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: He knows that he actually helped us get this together.

616
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: He's in the background, just doing the tech work. Um.

617
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: So we got a lot to talk about. It's it's

618
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: good for people to get to know you. So, Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: since I feel like I don't know if you call

620
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Speaker 1: yourself the original founder, if you guys are both co

621
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: founders of Hunters of Color, but give us a you know,

622
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: how that came about. We kind of got a little

623
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: bit of any cling of where where that came from,

624
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: but how that came about and and why you feel

625
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: it needed to come about. Um. Well, so I let's

626
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: start from the beginning. I was born and raised in

627
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Sonoma Valley, California. My dad was he's ex military um

628
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: sharp shooting the military, and so I was raised around guns,

629
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: had a really strong understanding of gun safety and respect

630
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: for her life. Uh. And it wasn't until I was

631
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: eight years old when a family friend invited out me

632
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Speaker 1: and my dad on a duck hunt and we were

633
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Speaker 1: sitting out in the middle of Central Valley, California, where

634
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: a set of Mallard's cut their wings and set in

635
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: the decoys and my dad shot his first deck. And

636
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: at that point I was I was hooked. I was like,

637
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Speaker 1: this is something I want to do. UM. And so

638
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Speaker 1: I I pressured my dad and let me take the

639
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: hunter safety at nine years old in California. And then

640
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: UM spent the next couple of years UH trying to

641
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: get my first year. I got my first year at twelve,

642
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: UM and UM. So growing up in California, there's a

643
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: lot of hunt anti hunting sentiment to begin with. And

644
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: then on top of that, as I started to try

645
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: to find friends to hunt with. UM, when I got

646
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: into high school, I started to realize that like, no

647
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: one looked like me. UM, no one was Hispanic, no

648
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: one was Pacific Islander. And so I started asking friends

649
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: if they wanted to go out with me. My best

650
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: friends Mexican. He was like, oh, man, that's not something

651
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: we do here, even though his dad used to hunt

652
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: in Mexico all the time. UM. So I was like,

653
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of weird that you would think that

654
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: it's not for you, UM, or at least your your

655
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: people don't do this, um and so I kind of

656
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: brushed it off. And then it wasn't until the is

657
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: Hunting Too White article came out that I saw the

658
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: statistics and dove into those and I was like, wow,

659
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: my observations growing up are value um so Ah. As

660
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: I dug into these, I dug into the research, I

661
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of found that there was no organizations working on,

662
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: uh doing our three or diversity and inclusion for the outdoors.

663
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: There had been some like some pledges that some CEOs took,

664
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: but there was no nonprofits. There's no there's nothing set

665
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: up in no organization to kind of correct this. Um.

666
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: So I looked into it. UM. I originally thought that

667
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to try to get inner city youth out

668
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: on the first times. UM. But then I, after this

669
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: article came out, I realized that, well, it's not just

670
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: inter city youth, it's it's everybody. It's people who live

671
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: out and out in the country who who want to

672
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: hunt but just don't know how to get into it.

673
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: So that's where Hunters Your Color started. Um. Lydia Ah,

674
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: one day she I've been talking about it for like

675
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: a year, um and so she she got tired of

676
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: me talking about it, and so one day I came

677
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: back from work and she was like, hey, here you go.

678
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Here's your U r L Hunters color dot Com, here's

679
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: the Instagram handle and all of the other social media

680
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: handled have a do what you will with it. And

681
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: so originally we thought we're gonna be a shirt company,

682
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: but then we realized, well, we need to actually do

683
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: more than just making sure its we need to we

684
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: need to start an organization. So that's why we went

685
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: the nonprofit route and we are today. Yeah, you guys

686
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: are five one C three. Uh So we applied for

687
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: five status in December, pretty early on in December, and

688
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: then apparently it's been taking months for people to get

689
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: their official exempt status from the I R S. So

690
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: we are still waiting and supposedly going to hear back

691
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: by March eleventh of this year. So the government, I mean,

692
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: you guys, I was reading on your website. You guys

693
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: have only really been doing this since August, right, I

694
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: mean we're really talking about six or eight months and

695
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: and already have you know, thousands of people connected with

696
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: you on social media. That's no small feet, that's not

697
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: something that um I want to take a few steps

698
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: back obviously and talk about some of the broader topics

699
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: you brought up there. But it's no small feet to

700
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: to step out like you did. And you're right, there's

701
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: not a lot of people in our space that are

702
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: stepping out in the way that you have and declaring

703
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: things that you declared. But then also, you know, gathered

704
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: together that many thousands of people. Don't know what the

705
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: number is now I can look, it's over six thousands

706
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: that right, yeah, just under seven? Yeah, so you know

707
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: we'll just call it seven. We'll round up. Maybe we

708
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: can get you there off of this podcast. Um, you know,

709
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: just under six thousand people or under seven thousand of

710
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: people in in a you know what what turns to

711
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: eight months? Um? Have you sat and thought about that? Obviously?

712
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: You know Instagram has its own algorithms of things that

713
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: help growth, but that your message. Do you feel like

714
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: it's connecting in a way that is broader than you

715
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: thought or is there something else at play? Yeah? I

716
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: actually I don't think that we were necessarily surprised that

717
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: people support this mission, especially because we are the only

718
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: organization there that's doing this. There are a lot of

719
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: organizations that are helping women get into hunting. There are

720
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: a lot of organizations that do like ground folks fishing

721
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing, but we are the only UH,

722
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: people of color run, people of color based nonprofit organization

723
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: hoping to break barriers for people color to get into

724
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: hunting UM. So I think that the lack of other

725
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: organizations doing the same thing, people are seeing us and

726
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: being like, Oh, that's that's cool, that's I'm surprised for us.

727
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean too, we're like, wow, we're surprised it took

728
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: this along for someone to do this. Yeah. Have you

729
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: felt energy around that, you know, from your peers and

730
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: other people that are reached out you. Have you felt

731
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: that this is created kind of a buzz, at least

732
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: in a small way. Yeah, it's I mean, we've had

733
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: an overwhelming amount of positive feedback so far, and especially

734
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: from other hunters of color. Uh. A lot of people

735
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: were saying like, Wow, I wish this thing was around

736
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: when I was just starting to get into it, or

737
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: I wish I could have looked at an Instagram page

738
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: and seeing that my people do this UM kind of thing.

739
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: So a lot of positive feedback so far. We also

740
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: get a lot of positive feedback to from UM people

741
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: who are interested in being allies, are interested in learning more.

742
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: We got a message from someone just this last week

743
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: who was like, Hey, I'm white, but your page has

744
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: educated me so much and I'm so grateful that this

745
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: exists because and he told a story about taking his

746
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: trying to take his friend who was black out hunting,

747
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: and for some reason, he couldn't understand the trepidations. He

748
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: was like, why why wouldn't you want to go hunting? Why?

749
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Why don't why are you afraid or you know, why

750
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: why do you feel timid to get out in the

751
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: woods with me? And then his friend explained some hard situations,

752
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: some hard racism, real racism that he's experienced in the woods,

753
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: and and the guy who messaged us was like, I

754
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to believe it, but I had no choice

755
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: because I love my friend and I need to listen

756
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: and be a good friend, you know. And then he

757
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: said when he found our page, he was like, okay,

758
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: like this it validates the experience that other people that

759
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: he knows have had in the woods and the marshes.

760
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I think that that as we go alonger in this conversation,

761
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: I feel that that's the most powerful way to communicate this.

762
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: So certainly I'll read some statistics here from as you mentioned,

763
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: Pat Durkin's on article on our website back in May.

764
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Often I believe we get that right yet May seventeen.

765
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: So if you want to find that, go to mediator

766
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: dot com and searches hunting too White. You'll find it.

767
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: There's lots of broad statistics there, um, and those I

768
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: think back up a lot of what you guys are

769
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: doing and saying and stuff we've said on this show

770
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: in the past as well. But then we have to

771
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: really then connect that from the macro to the micro,

772
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: which is people's personal stories. And I feel that it's

773
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: our it's everyone's job if if they want to take

774
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: up this this task, and I certainly do of finding

775
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: ways to remove roadblocks for everyone to get into hunting um,

776
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and I think this is just one of those things

777
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: that we have to do to remove those roadblocks. So

778
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: let me read you guys. I know you guys know

779
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: these these stats well, but let just read for those

780
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: that don't um some of the stats in that and

781
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: Pat Dirikins article from nineteen He said, from two thousand

782
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: ten to fourteen, the U. S d A Forest Service

783
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: reports whites made up of all visits to national forests.

784
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: Then a National Park Service study in eighteen found whites

785
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: made up eighty percent of visits to National Park Service

786
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: parks and monuments. Seventeen report by the Colon Company on

787
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: camping participation found whites accounted for eight of campers UM.

788
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: In the twenty eighteen study the Outdoor Foundation found whites

789
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: accounted for nearly three quarters of all outdoor recreation. And

790
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: then to get into the hunting space, specifically, the US

791
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Service most recent participation study found eleven

792
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: point five million Americans hunted at least once in sixteen.

793
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Of those hunters, ninety six percent were white and three

794
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: percent were Hispanic. Blacks and Asians made up most of

795
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: the remaining one percent. But at levels two load to

796
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: pinpoint participation rates, and so I could keep on going.

797
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: There's more numbers, UM, but they all kind of paint

798
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: a similar picture that the bulk of the people that

799
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: UM that we see outside are of a single skin color.

800
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: So we can start with that. That that that's just

801
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: the data. That has nothing to do with UM anything

802
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: societal or political. Is purely what we are seeing and

803
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: what we must address and any other numbers you guys

804
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: want to add to that or perspective to those those

805
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: broader the broader context. Well, yeah, I want to kind

806
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: of go back into what you said before you started

807
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: talking about the statistics, UM, and the statistics are very powerful,

808
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: and I think that the key here, like you said,

809
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: is recognizing people's experiences, right and listening and empathy. I

810
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: think that if there's a word that we can, if

811
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: I could suggest suggest to listeners or to anyone entering

812
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: this conversation, it to have empathy and to have grace

813
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: and to listen UM to each other, because you know,

814
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: we all come from different perspectives, and just because you

815
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: haven't seen something or experience something doesn't mean that it

816
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: isn't affecting people. And as long as human beings are

817
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: being affected by something, UM, we all ought to care

818
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: and listen. And as long as nature being affected by something,

819
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: we'll have to care and listen UM. And the statistics too.

820
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: I think that, like you said, it's not it's not political,

821
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: it's not and it's not a meant to be divisive,

822
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: and statistics are exactly that statistics there UM As Jimmy

823
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: is an engineer, so he always talks about how there

824
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: are some things that are just facts and it's not

825
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: an opinion, it's the actual data itself. So that shouldn't

826
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: offend anyone, and it really should um scare anyone either,

827
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: um and I don't think the say anything. It's the

828
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: history that we need to look at though that does

829
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: to that like the national parks statistics for example that

830
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned, National parks were segregated until the nineteen fifties, um,

831
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: and it was illegal for black people to go to

832
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: national parks or visit white sections of national parks. So

833
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: there's there's history like that that we often most people

834
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: don't know about and most people don't talk about. And um,

835
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: there's no reason why we shouldn't talk about it because

836
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: the history that we don't know is the building blocks

837
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: board where we live today and what we inherited as

838
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: today's America and today's hunt things for you're in the

839
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: outdoors world. Yeah, that's it's well put. I mean, we've

840
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: struggled with how to use history in this in this

841
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: context to represent what we do now and what we

842
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: do in the future. People struggle with that. I think

843
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: there are some some latent guilt in a lot of

844
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: places but also people that just want to help and

845
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: they don't want to have to be of one political

846
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: ideology or another to help. UM, I've I've heard that

847
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. I just want to help

848
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: people get into hunting, no matter what where they come from,

849
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: who they are. So I think I think that recognition

850
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: um is the first part, and what I think you

851
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: said lydia Um is maybe the most impactful. And something

852
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: that I've learned is you gotta everybody's perspective is going

853
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: to be different on this. Jimmy. You you told a

854
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: pretty a brief but powerful story of of your friends

855
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: saying we just don't do this. It's not something that

856
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: we do here. Maybe it's because here in California, but

857
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I suspect not. There's a lot of hunters in California. Um,

858
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: it's because of where you grew up and the people

859
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: you're around, and your heritage and the color of your

860
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: skin has a huge part of that. So I think

861
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: we start by recognizing that, not like you said, not

862
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: being scared of it or afraid of it, not being

863
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: triggered by it. I hate to use that word, but

864
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: it's true, and moving toward it with some courage and

865
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: it sounds like, do you guys feel like it takes

866
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: a little courage to step into this or this is

867
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: just innate to who you are. I mean, what's what's

868
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: the feeling stepping into this conversation? Well, uh, one thing

869
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: that really helps understand where or why the statistics got

870
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: to where they are today is understanding the history of it. Um.

871
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean it all started with removing Native Americans from

872
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: their inncestral hunting grounds. That's I mean, if you start

873
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: there and then you go follow history, you kind of

874
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: see this trend where this country was designed with ah,

875
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: the white man in mind. You even look at like

876
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: some of my heroes, um like thorough and uh Roosevelt

877
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: and uh Ner Um I grew up just down the

878
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: road from John Muar Woods in Marine County, and uh

879
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: you if you look into them, they they were pretty

880
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: biased and who they wanted or they're designing to these

881
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: outdoor spaces for um. So if you start with history,

882
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: you kind of understand where the statistics come from. But yeah,

883
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody can dive into the history and kind

884
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: of learn themselves. Um, kind of have more more empathy

885
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: for where people in hunters Color Company. Yeah, no, I agreed.

886
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: I think you like I would refer folks back to

887
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: our last conversation. Everyone that listens to the show weekly

888
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 1: will remember our conversation with Dr Caroline Finney. She wrote

889
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: a book called Black Faces and White Spaces, and it

890
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: was powerful to hear some of the history that I

891
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: didn't even know about John m yours. Specifically, she did

892
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: some performance art around her relationship with John Muir, both

893
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: of respect and really damnation at some level. There's a

894
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: duality in that feeling about the outdoors that it both

895
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: inspires people but sets a feeling in them of segregation

896
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: and of hate and of of something that was separate

897
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: for so long. Oh, I I think you can. You know,

898
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to focus there all that much, not

899
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: to say it's not important, but I want to find,

900
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, really find a way to as you just said, Jimmy,

901
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: tell people go look at the history. It's not hard

902
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: to find. There are many good resources. We spoke about

903
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: some of the resources, um even in the Second Amendment

904
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: community a couple of weeks ago with Ian Harrison on

905
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: this program. So there's a lot of resources. Do you

906
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: guys have resources where you would refer people that where

907
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: they can to get some of this information or get

908
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: the perspective that maybe you've gotten over over the years

909
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: as you learned. So we're actually building up a resource

910
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: page specifically for our mentors. UM. We want mentors in

911
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: the Hunters of Color organization to be both safe as

912
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: any hunting organization would expect their mentors to be, and

913
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: committed to empathy and anti racism and community UM. And

914
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: so we're building up not only the history like Carol

915
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: Finny Carol Finny wrote like her book, but all so

916
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: just basic understandings of how to listen to each other,

917
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: how to empathy for each other, um, and how to

918
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: share our perspectives in a respectful way. And I don't

919
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: jimmy on something you wanted to add to the well.

920
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: I always say, if you remove anybody from anything for

921
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: one generation, it's really hard to get into it. Um.

922
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: This kind of moves into like how do we solve

923
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: the problem, um. But yeah, I always say that if

924
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: you remove anybody from it one generation, it's really hard

925
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: to get back into that one thing. So if you're

926
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: removed from hunting or one generation and your grandfather, your

927
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: father don't hunt, and you've become a person who has

928
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: to be self taught, or you look for somebody who's

929
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: going to mentor you. Yeah, yeah, Patrick line will dissent

930
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: is huge in hunting. It is one of the things

931
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: that we celebrate without pause. I celebrated every day because

932
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: I was sitting in my office right now looking at

933
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: a picture of my dad and I from when I

934
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: was ten years old, with fond memories. Um. But anyone

935
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: who doesn't have that experience comes to it in a

936
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: different way. We have a new term. We we started

937
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: with adult onset hunters on this show, as everyone else,

938
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: we have erased that. We're no longer using that. It

939
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: sounds like something that you picked up and you don't want. Uh.

940
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're talking about emergent hunters as are new.

941
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna change. We're gonna change that term. And I

942
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: think that's really a part of what we're talking about

943
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: here too. Um. This happens across the spectrum, but it

944
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: happens just with more weight in in hunters of color.

945
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, more more things to explore, more barriers that

946
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: are perceived and not tangible. Um. And those are things

947
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: that I think we can all recognize now, if if

948
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: even if you're you're not so uh inclined to recognize

949
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: those differences and those those perceptions about the outdoors. You

950
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: may run into, like you said your friend did, bringing

951
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: a person of color into the outdoors and them being

952
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: uncomfortable when you take them there, and having and having

953
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: no understanding of why they are uncomfortable. And so you

954
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: may anyone out there listening may want to not address

955
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: this or not think about it or call it woke.

956
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: That's okay, but you may run into it. And when

957
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: you try to broach this topic and try to bring

958
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: someone out. So I think, I hope you're listening to

959
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: this to be a part of um opening eyes and

960
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: bringing people along. So yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was

961
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: just gonna say, that's part of how we are building

962
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: hunters of color, because there's a difference between saying you're

963
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: welcome here and this was made for you. And so

964
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: if there is an understanding that the outdoors weren't made

965
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: for certain people, are hunting isn't made for certain people,

966
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: like Jimmy's friend um Raoul had said to him when

967
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: they were a little uh, that's obviously got to change somehow,

968
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: because our whole slogan is that the outdoors are for everyone.

969
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: And the point behind our name Hunters of Color, um.

970
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, we one of our first Instagram posts was

971
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: why do you have to see color? Why do we

972
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: have to talk about it in this perspective? And I

973
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: think that I do want to add that some of

974
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: these barriers aren't necessarily perceived. Some of them are very

975
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: tangible and very real, such as the fact that of

976
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: the land that's owned in the United States is owned

977
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: by white people. And and when I say things like

978
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: that too, I hope that people know that that isn't

979
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: the condemnation. That isn't a bad thing in and of itself.

980
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: The bad thing is that they're white people make up

981
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: of the United States, and so the rest of us,

982
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, UM, that that is the problem. It's the

983
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: It's not the fact that people own white people own land,

984
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: it's that what about the rest of us, especially when

985
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: we want to go hunting, um, Because obviously you need

986
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: land to hunt, and we're blessed out here to have

987
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: lots of public land, but some states are not so lucky.

988
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: The challenge here with our political environment. We've talked about

989
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: this on this show as well this year, is that

990
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: even a topic like this doesn't seem inclusive because a

991
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: lot of people want to just say I don't see color.

992
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: I don't care about this topic. This topic isn't for me.

993
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to be forced into anything. I never

994
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: did anything to hurt anyone. And I you know, I'm

995
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: a white guy. I see those I hear those things.

996
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: I understand those things. But again, you kind of have

997
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: a choice to make here. Yeah, I say, if you

998
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: don't see color, you didn't do anything wrong. I say,

999
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: good for you, But help end these barriers. Have a

1000
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: part in ending these things that some people feel, because

1001
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the love of humanity that we're kind

1002
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: of reach out and I mean, I love your neighbor.

1003
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, yeah, basically what Jimmy always says to

1004
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: even if you didn't do anything, even if you weren't

1005
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: a slave owner, even if you didn't hurt anybody, you

1006
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: can make a difference in making outdoors more inclusive. Absolutely yeah.

1007
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: And I think, as we really like, one of the

1008
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: tenants of of telling good story and one of the

1009
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: tenants of journalism and tenant and one of the tenants

1010
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: of really objective thinking is searching for truth. Um as

1011
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: we talked about at the beginning, and we can read

1012
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: the statistics that is true. Those those statistics are as

1013
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: true as true gets, and then we can learn from

1014
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: each other. Um those those personal experiences, those also are true.

1015
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: And so I just wanted you I would I would

1016
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: just say I get it. A lot of people who

1017
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: don't agree, I've probably already turned this off, and that's okay.

1018
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: But the folks that are still hanging in there, we're

1019
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: gonna get to the point where we tell you what

1020
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: what uh Lydia and Jimmy are doing. But um, I

1021
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: think that question that you guys got is probably a

1022
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: question that most people get stepping out in this arena.

1023
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: Why has it got to be about color? Um? And

1024
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: here's the one one analogy that I've been using on

1025
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: the show for a long time, which is, if Hunting

1026
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: was a town, right, if Honey was a place in

1027
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: Oregon where you could go and visit, and that had

1028
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: a tourism board, and it had a downtown with shops

1029
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: and nineties some percent of those shops all the and

1030
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: nineties in the streets of the town, and everywhere you

1031
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: went there was one culture, one color. I wouldn't feel

1032
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: like a welcoming place for people that weren't in that group.

1033
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: So if we want to make the hunting that the

1034
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: place of hunting, the community of hunting, we were we

1035
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: were to make it tangible today, Flippus Witch, and make

1036
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: it tangible, we would start from a very diverse place.

1037
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: We can't do that. We're starting from a place that

1038
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: isn't diverse. And you know, somebody like you, guys walking

1039
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: around on the streets of our town, you might not

1040
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: feel welcome. And if we would, if we would make uh,

1041
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: if we would make it a step to improve that.

1042
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: We can't go back in time and erase all that's

1043
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: happened to this point, but we can open up um

1044
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: our streets to the people that want to see themselves

1045
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: reflected in our town in this big, long analogy. That's

1046
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: probably confusing it at this point, but that's how I

1047
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: generally think about and that's how um I've tried to

1048
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: approach it, and I hope that at least conversations like

1049
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: this can make a difference. I think that's a beautiful

1050
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: way of putting it, and it made sense to me.

1051
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was too drawn out. But I

1052
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: also when you said that there are towns in Oregon

1053
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: that are like that. Um, there's you know, my cousin

1054
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: was hunting with my other cousin in eastern Oregon, one

1055
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: of them as a person of color and the other

1056
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: one is white. And in a little small town they

1057
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: went to a grocery store and my my cousin, who

1058
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: was a person of color, got followed around by the

1059
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: security guard the entire time he was in the store,

1060
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: and my my cousin is white, didn't and it really

1061
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: pissed both of them off. And it's just something another

1062
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: one of those things that it's like, you don't you

1063
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: don't understand that it's happening until it happens to you

1064
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: or someone you love. And so it shouldn't have to

1065
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: come to that, right, We should be able to have

1066
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: these conversations and love each other, love one another's bread,

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00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: love and in these in these conversations. Well, and I

1068
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: think we you know, I think we've touched on kind

1069
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: of what we can do as as people in the community,

1070
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: because I think that's a huge part of this. And

1071
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: a lot of this is just that empathy that you

1072
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: talked about Lydia, But you guys also have a tangible

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: thing that you're doing. Um, and so I guess I

1074
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: would first say that I definitely know that I want

1075
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: for people of color to see themselves reflected in our

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00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: community as prominently as we can. Now that brings up

1077
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: its own tokenism conversation. It is as fraud as anything else.

1078
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: But I still believe firmly that we have people want

1079
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: to see themselves reflected in the outdoors and reflected in hunting.

1080
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: So we have to do that. Um. But what is

1081
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: the thing that you guys are doing tangibly? I know

1082
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: you have mentors and mentees. How have you kind of

1083
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: set up that model to do something a real um

1084
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: and on the ground to grow diversity and hunting. Yeah,

1085
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: I want to I want to touch one last thing. Uh,

1086
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: there's one thing where people say like, well, why should

1087
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: I care? So something that's touched in on on the

1088
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: article too, is that the Census says that by the

1089
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: year the US will be a majority minority people. And

1090
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: so when you look at current trends, if we aren't

1091
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: recruiting people of color into hunting, then you're gonna see

1092
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: this huge die off, or not die off, but you're

1093
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna see a huge decline in the number of hunters

1094
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: that are participating and then giving money towards conservation efforts. UM.

1095
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: And so the North American model conservation will will inevitably

1096
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: have to change because of that, UM and so instead

1097
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: of getting to that point, UH, we should try to

1098
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: stomp it out now, or at least address it now

1099
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: so that we don't have to readdress or readdress how

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00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: we serve our wild resources here in the United States.

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01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: One person who's who I talked to, UM you recently

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01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: had him on as Ian from the Carnivore magazine UM

1103
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: and he wanted he wants to partner or he wanted

1104
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: to highlight us in his magazine. But he mentioned, oh yeah,

1105
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: like in the in the UK, hunting is a very

1106
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: um an aristocratic kind of elite class activity. And I

1107
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: think the reason why he came to the United States,

1108
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: at least what he told me, is because it isn't

1109
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: that in anybody can get into it. UM. There are

1110
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: certain barriers to entry, but if you do push past those,

1111
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: you can be in the hunting community. M so and

1112
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: then I mean, that's all I had to say on that.

1113
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: But so, what we're cansibly doing with hundreds of colors,

1114
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 1: we have a mentoring program setup where we were. We're

1115
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: planning on having like a a network of mentors spread

1116
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: out across the country where if anybody who has interests

1117
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: and needs somebody to teach them, like they don't have

1118
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: somebody within their meedi circle, uh to teach them how

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, but they have interest in procuring their own

1120
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: meat going outdoors, UM, we will set them up with

1121
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: somebody who has qualified, trained and stay for them to

1122
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: go out into the woods with. And UM. You can

1123
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: start out with just a hype or maybe just a

1124
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: beer conversation. UM. And then will eventually, hopefully we get

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Speaker 1: to the point where our men mentees become mentors. Yeah.

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01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: And did you feel like you guys feel like this is?

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01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: How would you describe it? You? Are you trying to

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01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: start a movement? Are you trying to take it one

1129
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: hunter at a time? How? What's the mission in your

1130
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: own minds? I know, you know everybody has their website

1131
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: about section. But as you guys think of the next

1132
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: three to five years, let's send your head. So our

1133
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: ultimate vision, which I don't think it's actually on our website,

1134
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: our mission statement certainly is that our ultimate vision is

1135
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: to have a world where organization doesn't need to exist.

1136
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: So it sounds kind of kind of deductive, but I

1137
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: think you probably get the gist of it. Right. If

1138
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: if hunting demographics met match the demographics in our nation,

1139
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: then we wouldn't be having to do this push to

1140
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: try to get more people of color into hunting. And

1141
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: so can we stop there a second? That is the

1142
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: most important thing that effort anybody say in any of

1143
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: these conversations, And because because it comes to it comes

1144
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: to the thing where this is emotional for you guys,

1145
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: because you've experienced it and there's people around you that

1146
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: experienced it, we can move through those emotions and get

1147
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: to the to what you just said, which is important.

1148
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: We look at the numbers, we see there's a problem.

1149
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: We want to address this problem. But once we've addressed

1150
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: it to the point it needs, you know where it sits,

1151
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: even with the culture of our society, and we can

1152
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: all agree that where you know we have rested and

1153
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: are progressing and moving in the right direction, there's no

1154
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: need to continue it um because I think, really, what

1155
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: I think that does is help people think of it

1156
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: objectively right, and that is an important thing. And I

1157
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: always push for for situtions like this where people get

1158
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: emotional about a certain topic. Um, I mean I think

1159
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: just that that that commentedly is I think powerful just

1160
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: in its objectivity, right, Yeah, And and uh, that is

1161
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate goal hopefully in any conversation right And obviously

1162
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: people with different perspectives are gonna everyone has bias. Um,

1163
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, hopefully that is the end goal and that

1164
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: we don't exist kind of sounds funny, but it's the truth.

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I don't want to have to

1166
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: tackle this huge problem myself, but I love my community

1167
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: of hunters and I love my community of fellow people

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: of color, and I want both to be able to

1169
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: enjoy the outdoors. Or I want them both to be

1170
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: together if you can only get better when they're together. So, um,

1171
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: my drive behind doing this, and um, I mean I'm

1172
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: doing it for the love of both nature and people.

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's so many stories of this. Um,

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: there's a gentleman named Dennis. I don't know if he

1175
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: would give Dennis his last name, but this would have

1176
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: been and I talked to Dennis over Instagram a little bit.

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: This would have been back in what September of last year.

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01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: We won't give Dennis his last name. You guys can

1179
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: share his his Instagram if you'd like to. But Dennis,

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01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: I was African American and he was hunting in Florida. Actually,

1181
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: let me just let you guys say the detail, because

1182
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: you know better than I can. You tell us a

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01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: story of Dennis and what he posted Instagram and kind

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: of what that uh started online? Yeah, So I mean

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01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: I was, I was at work and I got this

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: message from a follower on Instagram and they said, hey,

1187
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: you should probably we checked this out. So I opened

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: it up and it was a series of videos of Dennis.

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01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: He was up in a deer stand. He's a he's

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: a new hunter. Um, he is archery hunting for his

1191
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: first time. He was working with a landowner and got

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: permission to hunt deer on the property. While he was

1193
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: up in the tree, an aggravated person realized that he

1194
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: was hunting on either nearby property that he had permission

1195
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: to hunt or I don't know the exact scenario, but

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01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: he started to play obscene racist music, started yelling at him,

1197
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: telling him get a tree, calling him all these obscenities, obscenities,

1198
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: and and Dennis, you can in his voice, you can

1199
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: hear him just breaking down. Uh, I've never experienced anything

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: like this before, and I think he handled it like

1201
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: a true gentleman. And even at one point he talks

1202
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: how he's a first responder and if he got a

1203
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: call to go save that man right now, he would

1204
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: he would hop out of the tree and go help

1205
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: that man out. Um. But he says that this man

1206
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do the same for him because of the

1207
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: color of his skin. And I was at work and

1208
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: I broke down. I was like, we need to this

1209
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: needs to stop, We need to share this, and so

1210
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: we reached out to him. We ended up sharing it

1211
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: because he gave his permission and the community stepped up. Um.

1212
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: It was really nice to see the community of hunting

1213
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: was uh so against what had happened to him that

1214
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: they uplifted him to the point where he wasn't gonna

1215
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: quit hunting. He was gonna be a lifelong hunter. And

1216
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: and we get pictures from him every once in a while,

1217
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: and he always a huge smile on his face, and um, yeah,

1218
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean he we're grateful for the way he handled

1219
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: the situation, and I think he's grateful for us for

1220
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: showing that like this does happen right now. It's it's

1221
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: nine or as it happened. So um, you can say, oh,

1222
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: well it's the it's distant past, but no, it happened

1223
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: a few months ago. And I think for every video

1224
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: like that of Dennis that we have, there's a video

1225
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: that didn't get recorded or they didn't get posted, you know,

1226
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: and there's people with fears of things like that happening

1227
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: to them in the woods. And I doubt that Ben,

1228
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: you've ever thought, oh, no, I don't want to go

1229
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: hunting because someone might be racist towards me, you know. Um,

1230
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: And so that's something that I think is another way

1231
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: to have empathy and think, wow, that would that would

1232
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: really stuck to have to think about that, have to

1233
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: consider that very real possibility when you're just trying to

1234
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: go out in the woods, when you're number one concerned

1235
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: should be getting an animal. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,

1236
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: the definition of community is, you know, it talks about

1237
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: a shared common attitude, interesting goals, feeling of fellowship. I

1238
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: mean in the dictionary that Webster will tell you, you know.

1239
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: And so when you think about community, we can build

1240
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: a community around hunting. Our building a community around hunting

1241
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: that has to do with those interests and goals and attitudes.

1242
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're a member of Backhuntry

1243
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: hundred anglers, you're gathering together around the idea that public

1244
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: land is for everybody. Um, really, you at some level,

1245
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: if you're a part of um a Second Amendment group,

1246
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: you're gathering on the idea that the Second Amendment is

1247
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: for everyone. That's easy to say, but it's not. It's

1248
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: not easy to create. We certainly haven't done a great

1249
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: job of creating that in the space that I spend

1250
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: my life working in. So we really aren't the definition

1251
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: of a community in the tangible sense. UM. I feel

1252
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: like I share interests with you guys, and then as

1253
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: soon as Lydia kills the turkey, we're gonna share even

1254
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:59,919
Speaker 1: more interests together. But I would just rather talk about turkeys.

1255
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: But we can't right now. Um, we can't ignore what

1256
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: this topic brings to the four. So that's that's how

1257
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: you know. Examples like Dennis's is are certainly his. If

1258
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: you haven't seen that, certainly, you go to the Hunters

1259
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: of Color Instagram page, scroll down, you'll find it. You'll

1260
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: find some content about Dennis. But when when you see

1261
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: a grown man in tears and as emotional as he was,

1262
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: it makes it real for everybody UM, because he certainly didn't.

1263
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: All he asked to do is go sit in a

1264
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: tree stand and have a good time, and that was Ah.

1265
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: It didn't turn out that way, that's for sure. So

1266
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to ignore at this point for me,

1267
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: and it should be hard to ignore for anyone else.

1268
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: I know, companies in our have you have you seen

1269
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,919
Speaker 1: companies and and folks in the hunting industry of prominence

1270
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: reaching out more and more trying to to bring you

1271
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: guys in. I know you mentioned Ian was I was

1272
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: talking to you. He's a he's a lyn Me bastard,

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: but I love him, uh so apologize that he had

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01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: to represent us. But but have you seen other have

1275
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: you had other encouraging conversations with companies or individuals that

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: you see in the hunting space. So hunt Eat was

1277
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: really big in with the Dennis UM when that video

1278
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: came out, and they kind of took the reins on

1279
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: doing something for him because we at that point where

1280
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: only just getting started off. And so a few other

1281
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: uh companies reached out, I know Ryan Callahan reached out

1282
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: and offered him to come hunt with him in Louisiana. Uh.

1283
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's a few other big names. Um. But yeah,

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01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: for the most of our companies really didn't do much. Um.

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: I guess as a side note, or I mean, the

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01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: most prominent thing that we're working on right now is

1287
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: we're working with the Nature Conservancy, who owns millions of

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: acres across the United States and they have they are

1289
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: working with US v h A and NDA to set

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: up a mentorship or one of our programs on their properties. Um.

1291
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: So they're opening up their gates and it's started off

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: in New York, New York State. Uh, and then hopefully

1293
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: we spread across the country. And with that we are

1294
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: we're building this community of mentors and mentees um. And

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01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's all about. Were billion a

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: community that anybody who's interested in hunting can look to

1297
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: hunters of color and and be like be interested in

1298
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: see that. Oh, yeah, this is what might people do? Yeah.

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the Yeah again return to it. If

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: people can see themselves reflected in this and then meet

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: people close to them that they can learn to trust,

1302
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: uh that do what what we do. Those are two

1303
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: huge steps I think that um, you know here on

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: this show. We proclaimed back and when we did our

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: first show this year that this is the year the

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01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: new hunter we we we we renamed adult onset hunter. UM.

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01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: We're taking Filthy Engineer on his first hunt, and we're

1308
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: really trying to understand every avenue into helping new hunters

1309
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: that are already there, because, as you guys probably know,

1310
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: COVID is creating a lot of new hunters. UM. A

1311
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, I just got to go

1312
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: outside and it would be nice to eat when I'm done. UM.

1313
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: So a lot of that going on, UM, and it's

1314
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: it's it's good to have you guys involved in that.

1315
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, do you guys have a lot

1316
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: of mentors out there in the field already? Is there

1317
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: anything that anyone listening can do to help either be

1318
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: a mentor themselves or UM point folks in the in

1319
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: your direction, what's the what's the best thing that people

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01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: can do? Um? And what do they joined when they join? Yeah,

1321
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: so we already have thirty mentors in eighteen states, which

1322
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: is super exciting because we just opened up the application

1323
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: process like a few weeks ago. Over something like that. UM.

1324
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: So an outpouring of support which has been validating and

1325
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: amazing and really encouraging too in building that community that

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01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: you've talked about. And I like the dictionary definition you

1327
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 1: brought up. UM, it's also part of the building blocks

1328
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: of this organization. I'm a history major, so find the

1329
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: whole context comes from studied civil rights history. So my

1330
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: whole context comes from UM that perspective and the idea

1331
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: of mlk's beloved community or Malcolm X's the brotherhood of humanity.

1332
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: You know that we're all there for each other. And if,

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01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: like what you said, the hunting community doesn't reflect that

1334
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: truth right now, UM, at least hundreds of colors trying

1335
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: to reflect that truth and then eventually, like we said,

1336
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: hopefully won't exist at some point. Well, you got start somewhere, right,

1337
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to start somewhere, And we are

1338
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: where we are, so we have to we have to

1339
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: do something. UM, And you guys are taking action and

1340
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: that's what's admirable. Yeah, and if and if people want

1341
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,799
Speaker 1: to help, UM, the application is up on our website

1342
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: Tunter's Collar dot com. Uh, soon it will be Hunters

1343
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: of Color dot org once the government is back to us.

1344
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: Is there any emails you want to give out? For

1345
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: listeners of the show to email anybody in the five

1346
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: one three department that we can get it done. Come on,

1347
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: they kind of lost our application to UM and so

1348
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: we had to call them and tell them to find it. Bastards. Yeah,

1349
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: they're not really bastards. They're fine people. Yeah, But so

1350
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: there's there's that way you can help us UM. And

1351
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: if you know anybody who wants to be mentored, have

1352
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: them fill out our mentorship application to U. And I

1353
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: mean hopefully we are creating a system where uh yeah

1354
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, where the mentees eventually become mentors and

1355
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: this community continues to build and UM yeah, it's just

1356
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: the start of it. So we're six months in and

1357
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: it's been great so far. Yeah. I mean, there truly

1358
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: are no small actions, especially at in this time where

1359
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: people are looking for things to gather around. We're looking

1360
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: for things, for ways to be Maybe we're not looking

1361
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: for things, but on this show we're looking for things.

1362
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: We'll name it out all of us, but I am

1363
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: looking for things to gather around, looking at for ideas

1364
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: that are easily understood and easily celebrated, and I think

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: this is one of them. Regardless of UM. How other

1366
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: folks see it or might label it. I truly do

1367
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: feel this is as simple of an effort as you

1368
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: could possibly make it, but also an impactful one as well. So,

1369
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: um man it it's good to see you out there.

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: Um are you guys? But you guys are millennials, right,

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: you're younger. You don't have to see your age. I

1372
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: think I'm I think I'm whatever, the one before Millennia

1373
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: lives hopefully. Well, I'm like, I'm like an old millennial.

1374
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: So I guess I don't really know how it works.

1375
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm like the oldest millennial ever, like an old old man. Um.

1376
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 1: But I mean it's the generational thing too. As you

1377
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: guys said, both both with Race and Jim Crow and

1378
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: the changes we've seen and celebrated over the last two

1379
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: decades to how when you're in your early twenties right now,

1380
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: how you see the world and the world you experience

1381
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: is so much different than the world that your parents

1382
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: experienced at that same age. As I'm sorry, no, go ahead.

1383
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: We were just talking about My dad was born at

1384
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: these and so whenever I read anything about civil rights

1385
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: and like, hey Dad, what was that like when that happened? Know,

1386
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: I make fun of my dad. I'm like, hey, Dad,

1387
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: what about the typewriter when that came out? What was

1388
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: that like? Remember the Purning Press. Yeah. I can tell

1389
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: you impactful stories that I've heard, not from my dad,

1390
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: but from other folks in my dad's age range about

1391
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: schools being segregated and and the stories and perspectives from

1392
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: young white males at the time and not really knowing

1393
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: anything different than segregation. And we've had Charles. Charles Rodney

1394
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: is a man we've had on this show. He's a

1395
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: seventy one year old rabbit hunter from Maryland. He's African

1396
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: American and he grew up actually in the Jim Crow

1397
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: South in Louisiana, the son of a sharecropper um. He

1398
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 1: grew up in poverty. He couldn't swim in the same

1399
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: swimming pools as the white kids, and he struggled with

1400
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: that throughout his life. But he overcame it and now

1401
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: is had a successful life, lives in Maryland, has three

1402
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: successful children, and has over came where he started. So

1403
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: I think he's a great analogy for where we need

1404
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: to go as a hunting community. We need to overcome

1405
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: where we are right now, and every roadblock I certainly

1406
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: am glad you guys are kicking them down, and I

1407
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: will kick him down right there with you. So I

1408
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: guess that's a pledge. I know what you call that.

1409
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what we're looking for, that kind of support.

1410
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: And also I think that UM, like you you brought up,

1411
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not ancient history the stuff that we're talking about, right,

1412
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: it's people that you're having on the podcast. We're talking

1413
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: about what it was like growing up in the South

1414
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: during these times and all over the country, UM, during

1415
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: civil rights. And I think that that helps people to

1416
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: gain gain empathy and game perspective, UM, because you know,

1417
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: what affected our parents and what affected our grandparents still

1418
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: affects us today. And it's what we inherited today. And

1419
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, while we can't change what happened in the past,

1420
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: we're responsible for what happens in the future. So hopefully

1421
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: we'll be a positive change. Yeah. The last thing I'll

1422
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: say about this, UM, because I gotta run. But the

1423
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: last thing I'll say is if another human is seeking

1424
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: empathy from you and you deny them yours, what they

1425
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: call an asshole. So you know, I I love that

1426
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: you use the word empathy I think it's one of

1427
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: the most important things that we can have as a

1428
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: characteristic UM, both individually but as a community. UM. And

1429
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: and the desire for it I think is um as

1430
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: true as the lack of it in some places. So

1431
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate you guys. UM. Give everybody the

1432
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 1: exact details hundreds of Color on Instagram, hunters hundred of

1433
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: color dot com, any anything else they need to know

1434
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. UM. Now, I'll just

1435
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: give us follow uh sign to be a mentor if

1436
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: you if that's something that you think you want to do. UM.

1437
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: If you know anybody who wants to get into hunting, UM,

1438
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: have them thought the mentee application uh and spread the word. UM.

1439
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna take an army too to make the world

1440
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: that that we envision UM. So we're welcoming everybody who

1441
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: is on on board with this. If you have questions,

1442
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: or if you want to talk to us or bug us,

1443
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: or if you're mad about something that we said, please

1444
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: send us an email. You don't have to bug ben

1445
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: about it, bug me, bug me, I like it. Let

1446
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,919
Speaker 1: me go ahead. Lydia at Hunters of Color and Jimmy's

1447
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,839
Speaker 1: it's Jimmy at Hunters of Color dot com. So, um,

1448
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 1: pretty easy to get a hold of us if you

1449
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: want to talk, all right, easy to remember. And here's

1450
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: the other thing I'll promise to you, guys. You pick

1451
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: a mentor and mentee from your your list that have

1452
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: a great story of a hunt together, and you tell

1453
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: me who they are, and we'll have them on the show. Uh,

1454
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: and we'll hear their story and we'll talk to him

1455
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: about what they went through and the good and the bad,

1456
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: and um, we'll continue to get this message out there.

1457
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 1: Is that sound good? Awesome? Sounds awesome? All right, We'll

1458
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: keep in touch guys, and um, thank you on behalf

1459
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: all of us for what you're doing. That's it. That's

1460
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: all another episode in the books. Thank you to hundreds

1461
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: of color founders. Jimmy and Lydia. We're coming and talking

1462
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 1: to me. We had a little bit of audio trouble

1463
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: here and there with that one, So hopefully that sounds

1464
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 1: really good. Did you clean it up? Phil? He made

1465
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: it sound really nice. Oh yeah, it sounds like it's

1466
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: coming from a professional recording studio. Boom. That's that's where

1467
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: filthy engineer makes his money. He's not he not only

1468
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: is uh, soon to be expert turkey hunter. But he

1469
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: gets the audio, makes it, makes it sound good. Um, listen,

1470
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on for next week. We're going

1471
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: to continue this conversation about diversity in the outdoors and

1472
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: diversity and the honey community. We're gonna do it a

1473
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: lot as much as we can. And again, as I

1474
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: said at the end there, we're gonna try to grab

1475
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: a mentor and mentee from from the Hunters of Color

1476
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: group and talk to them about their experience out there

1477
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: and get some of their personal stories, because I think

1478
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: that's also pretty pretty damn important. But we're gonna turn

1479
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: next week too something of a response. Now, do you

1480
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: remember a group called Anonymous for the Voiceless film Anonymous

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Speaker 1: for the Voiceless. Of course Paul was here. Paul, but

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Speaker 1: sheer couldn't forget that name. Now we had him onto

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Speaker 1: some acclaim. Uh what was it was last year? It

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Speaker 1: seems like every month is a year in the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: But we had him on. It was too much conversation

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Speaker 1: about what was going on with him, and one of

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Speaker 1: the big topics there was around how many animals were

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Speaker 1: killed by large scale agriculture, meaning you go to the

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Speaker 1: girl store, you buy a head of lettuce or in

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Speaker 1: this this case, I think we talked about rice as

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Speaker 1: a strange kind of way to center the conversation. We

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Speaker 1: had a guy named Jack Henry. That seems like a

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Speaker 1: fake name, Jack, but we'll go with it. Jack Henry

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Speaker 1: his greecent graduate of cal Polly San Luis Obispo biological Sciences.

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Speaker 1: He wrote me a whole email breaking down you know,

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Speaker 1: death and agriculture. He's done the studies. Uh he he

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Speaker 1: really quantified it, even like metabolic needs, detection, probability, all

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Speaker 1: of predat predation from eagles, hawks, foxes. To try to

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Speaker 1: suss out that point of that podcast with Paula Sheer.

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Speaker 1: So luckily this guy knows the facts that I didn't

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Speaker 1: know at the time that we recorded Paul. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go into kind of the history next week of

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Speaker 1: the anti hunting and the animal rights philosophies, where it began,

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Speaker 1: how it came to be a thing historically, how long

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Speaker 1: it's been around, how it's become what it is today.

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Speaker 1: But then also look at Jack's numbers around vegans who

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Speaker 1: might go shopping at the grocery store and feel like

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Speaker 1: they removed from the cycle of death in in our world.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a very important follow up from

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Speaker 1: a long overdue conversation. So you decited about that, Phil,

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Speaker 1: you titilated? You ready to go for next week? Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: my my, My tittles are lated. Nope, nope, nope, but

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Speaker 1: all the things you should cut out that ship. You

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Speaker 1: can't say your tittles are lated. That rhymes with something inappropriate,

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Speaker 1: so you can't do that, all right, Phil, Just say

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Speaker 1: bye to the people and be excited for next week.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye people, because I can't go a week without doing

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Speaker 1: wrong with drank