Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer
Speaker 1: and director, a chopper, and I love films. As William
Speaker 1: Blake once said, the road to excess leads to the
Speaker 1: Palace of Wisdom. Babylon was wildly underrated. I agree, mister Blake.
Speaker 1: Nice one, yeah, good point. Every week I'm invite a
Speaker 1: special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I
Speaker 1: get them to discuss their life through the films that
Speaker 1: meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Sharon Stone, Jamila Jamil and even Bed Ambles. But this
Speaker 1: week it's the brilliant actor and come on, I'll say
Speaker 1: it national treasure. It's mister Eddie Marzan. Get over to
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Speaker 1: where you get an extra twenty minutes with Eddie. We
Speaker 1: talk secrets, we go deep, we talk about beginnings, we
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Speaker 1: So Eddie Marzan is a incredible actor. You know him
Speaker 1: from everything you've ever seen that you've loved. He's in everything,
Speaker 1: and he's brilliant in everything. He's one of the great
Speaker 1: actors of our time. I'd never met him before. We
Speaker 1: recorded this on Zoom the other day. What a fucking delight.
Speaker 1: He was a joy. I really think you're going to
Speaker 1: love this one. So that is it for now. I
Speaker 1: very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: six of Films to Be Buried With. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 1: to Films to Be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 1: and I am joined today by an actor, a world's ender,
Speaker 1: a gang that's the Number one, a Vifa Vendetta, a handcocker,
Speaker 1: a Sherlock Holmes, a warhorser, a Deadpool tour and Ray
Speaker 1: Donovan and Jonathan Strange and mister Norrilla. I can't keep
Speaker 1: going and we'll never get to the podcast. If a
Speaker 1: list of all his achievements, it's one of the most
Speaker 1: extraordinary actors. He's worked more than anyone you've ever met
Speaker 1: in your life. He's in everything, he's brilliant and everything.
Speaker 1: He's different than everything. He's a fucking superstar. I can't
Speaker 1: believe he's here. Could you believe he's here? He really is?
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show? Is here right now? Is
Speaker 1: anyone's aunt?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Welcome?
Speaker 2: Thanks very much? Can I recall that? Can I? Can
Speaker 2: I apply that anymore?
Speaker 1: You can make that your ringtone? Whatever you want to do. Eddie,
Speaker 1: the greatest news. This is the first time we're meeting.
Speaker 1: But you're a Spurs fan, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just we just want we just
Speaker 3: I think we scored in the ninety fifth minutes or
Speaker 3: very exciting.
Speaker 1: God, it was exciting. I didn't believe, which is you know,
Speaker 1: it's the hope that kills you. I didn't believe, and
Speaker 1: then it happened. I couldn't believe it. It's lovely to see you.
Speaker 1: You are, I mean, you're quite Uh. There's not many
Speaker 1: people like you, is there, Eddie? Like you're really an
Speaker 1: extraordinary actor who is in fucking everything, always working, always
Speaker 1: completely different in everything. You're massively respected and loved, and
Speaker 1: I think you always have been, and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's many people like that. You haven't had like a
Speaker 1: sort of up and down career of every black you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like, I think you've you're basically
Speaker 1: a national treasury, is what you are? Had to feel
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I knew.
Speaker 3: I knew early on. I knew at drama school, all
Speaker 3: a good looking kid so if you don't a checkov,
Speaker 3: all a good looking kids who were playing to blow
Speaker 3: the sexy blow with shoots hutself at the end, and
Speaker 3: I was playing like, who didn't you have a botto
Speaker 3: coff who was like they used to call me Captain
Speaker 3: Belkrot drama school because I used to pull the small parts.
Speaker 3: So I kind of knew that that was going to
Speaker 3: be my if I was going to make a career
Speaker 3: of this, that no one was going to ask me
Speaker 3: to be basically because women don't want to fuck me
Speaker 3: and men don't want to be me, so you don't
Speaker 3: employ me, so you better employ me to be someone else.
Speaker 2: And that's what I sort of worked out. Really, that's
Speaker 2: only in film. I mean in real life, I mean.
Speaker 3: When we.
Speaker 1: Understoppable, Oh just just I'm fighting them off. In real life,
Speaker 1: I've heard the stories. You're fighting them off men trying
Speaker 1: the keys to take your place. Listen, I cannot agree
Speaker 1: with anything you just said, But that is interesting, Like
Speaker 1: what is it if I may given the position you're in.
Speaker 1: I'm always interested in because because often in early parts
Speaker 1: I've been asked it, and I always think it's such
Speaker 1: a funny question when you do, like one of your
Speaker 1: first big jobs, and people say like what attracted you
Speaker 1: to the role, And You're like, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Like there was a choice, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you are in the position I
Speaker 1: believe where you get offered lots of things nowadays. What
Speaker 1: gets you like, fuck, I've got to do this? Like
Speaker 1: what is it? If it isn't a big paycheck or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, Like I really like this thing. I think.
Speaker 3: I've got four kids, I've got four teenagers, so I
Speaker 3: think families a big, bigger something to worry about.
Speaker 2: I think is whether I can come home.
Speaker 3: I mean, I used to do a job in LA,
Speaker 3: used to do Ray Donovan, and he used to allow
Speaker 3: me to come home every weekend. So I used to
Speaker 3: commute from LA to London every week I think. I think.
Speaker 3: What I try and do is I try and make
Speaker 3: sure that the thing I do is completely different to the.
Speaker 2: Last thing I did.
Speaker 3: I try and mix it out all the time because
Speaker 3: I hate to be defined. I can't stand people define me.
Speaker 3: When I first started acting, all I could get was
Speaker 3: Prime Monthly or the bill because a company east End.
Speaker 3: All they ever thought of me of was being a
Speaker 3: thief or mugger, and not even as successful. My man
Speaker 3: used to say, I don't mind you being succeief, but
Speaker 3: why you've got to be such a ship because you're
Speaker 3: always nicked. So, and I knew I didn't want to
Speaker 3: be a profet got me. I wanted to be an actor.
Speaker 3: I think there's other people that do that better than me.
Speaker 3: So I went back to voice coaches and movement coaches,
Speaker 3: and I just wanted to be as diverse as possible, really,
Speaker 3: But I think that that's been to a certain extent.
Speaker 3: It's been to the detriment of my career as well,
Speaker 3: because I've never it meant. It means, I've never exploded,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean. I've never had that
Speaker 3: big lunch. I've never had one thing that made me
Speaker 3: a hit. I've always been that guy I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: to go In America they call I remember once working
Speaker 3: in America on one of the early seasons of Ray
Speaker 3: donovan and there was this old actor. We were shooting
Speaker 3: in Culver City and there was an old actor. I
Speaker 3: forget his name now, but he came on set. We
Speaker 3: were filming near his house and he came up to
Speaker 3: me and he said, you're a donut actor. And I said,
Speaker 3: what the fuck's a don't actor? And he said, well,
Speaker 3: in America, a donut is a ring done. And he said,
Speaker 3: what happens is this industry can't afford to have someone
Speaker 3: come to the fore of their own volition. They have
Speaker 3: to have money invested in the next big thing. So
Speaker 3: what they do is they invest in someone and then
Speaker 3: they surround them with good actors, good character actors, so
Speaker 3: they make the investment look like a better actor. So
Speaker 3: the middle, the center of the donut is vacuous, but
Speaker 3: the actual donut is the is the sugary, the bit
Speaker 3: of stodge around, you know, the ring, he said, And
Speaker 3: that's what a donut actor is, and that's what you are.
Speaker 3: And if you look at a lot of Hollywood actors,
Speaker 3: big stars, early on, they're surrounded by great character actors.
Speaker 3: And that's what you said, that's what you are.
Speaker 1: That's fucking fascinating. So it's a massive confident. There is
Speaker 1: that thing in the old like studio system and the
Speaker 1: old films they used to do a big thing where
Speaker 1: the star of the film doesn't appear in the film
Speaker 1: for about twenty minutes. They've talked about a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the digital characters talked about. So it's built up, built up,
Speaker 1: so when they appear, you're like, oh, wow, they're finally here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reality is it's just been donut actors for twenty
Speaker 1: minutes building the plot up. Yeah, yeah, carry yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's interesting you say you haven't exploded. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong because obviously I know you and I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan, but like you're very well known. You must
Speaker 1: get records at the time in your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I am, because because I work all the time.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the one of the things that
Speaker 3: I think has helped me is because I have a
Speaker 3: career in America and a career that you can like
Speaker 3: you do now.
Speaker 2: And what that means is that someone.
Speaker 3: Always wants you somewhere, you know, and and and actually
Speaker 3: America has a much more is open to a much
Speaker 3: more diverse casting of me than.
Speaker 2: Now. It's changing. But you know, initially I.
Speaker 3: Have to go to America to be diverse in Britain
Speaker 3: and we had a very very fixed idea of what
Speaker 3: I should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you find that listen? I mean I don't
Speaker 1: want to, I'm always wary of but yes, I completely
Speaker 1: find that. Yeah, I mean it's interesting. So many actors
Speaker 1: come to Omerga to actually get work. I mean, in England,
Speaker 1: before I made my own things, I was only being
Speaker 1: asked to audition for parts of terrorists because of my Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: and I kept thinking I won't play terrorists, this is
Speaker 1: not this is what I want to do, and that
Speaker 1: was all that was coming in and it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've probably got to make my own stuff too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you have to do.
Speaker 3: You have to do something to kind of to change
Speaker 3: it up a little bit, you know. And there's nothing
Speaker 3: more Soldy strong than people having that fixed idea. I
Speaker 3: found it ex interesting and the really solder strong when
Speaker 3: people had a very fixed idea of me and it
Speaker 3: was the wrong idea and it was based on a
Speaker 3: prejudice and you fucking to do what I really am,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very interesting to being I fucking hate being
Speaker 1: put in the box. I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate it, and I don't know if everyone feels
Speaker 1: that way, if some people are comfortable, like I think
Speaker 1: there are some movie stars that I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're very frustrated, but where you go like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got your thing, you figured your your thing, and
Speaker 1: you can keep playing those notes and they're good. They're
Speaker 1: good notes, and it's nice to see you in that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But yeah, yeah, they probably
Speaker 1: go to sleep and they go to get me out
Speaker 1: of this box.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they probably want to do what we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eddie, I've forgotten to tell you something and I
Speaker 1: feel sick about it. I feel sick that I haven't
Speaker 1: told you this up top. I should have. I forgot,
Speaker 1: But you've died. Yeah, sorry, I'm so sorry. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's all right. Yeah, i'd say you've had a good
Speaker 1: you've had a good run. You've much. Yeah, you see,
Speaker 1: V alone is extraordinary, you know for kids. So you
Speaker 1: know it's not bad, is it? How did you die?
Speaker 2: Hopefully?
Speaker 3: Making love to my one? Ask what sort? So I'm
Speaker 3: making love to my wife. I think exactly where I'm
Speaker 3: going to go with That's the other thing is she
Speaker 3: probably won't notice about.
Speaker 2: She's so.
Speaker 3: If she can't sleep, she wakes me up and she says,
Speaker 3: tell me about your career. It talk about your career again,
Speaker 3: and our songs one about my career. She goes up
Speaker 3: to sleep. It gets on to sleep. Some people listen
Speaker 3: to podcasts. My wife waits up, says, tell me about
Speaker 3: your career.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Well she could listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: that they'll get right. Yeah, yeah, so you're making love
Speaker 1: to your wife, then you die and she doesn't notice
Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes.
Speaker 3: No, she'll no, she'll probably notice because you know some people.
Speaker 3: They some people when they when when with their sex life,
Speaker 3: they had loads of things like swings and whips and
Speaker 3: all that. I mean, my pre planning is to finish
Speaker 3: just as much as a day thing starts.
Speaker 2: Then I've got it down to a tea.
Speaker 3: Really, so she'll probably know.
Speaker 2: It's when Match of the.
Speaker 3: Day comes on and my eyes and I'm not responding.
Speaker 1: She'll probably realize I'm gone just to check for your wife.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be it's gonna be trauma. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: slightly traumatic it or is he going to be.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah he went out with the small ones friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems happy. Okay, that's a lovely way to
Speaker 1: go for you. Yeah, do you have an age, a
Speaker 1: chosen age that this happened?
Speaker 3: No, anytime, really I've got I don't.
Speaker 2: I've got no control of it.
Speaker 1: About it? Or do you worry about death? That's like
Speaker 1: you don't, do you?
Speaker 3: I worry about I worry about being doing my looking
Speaker 3: after the kids. I think what my wife and kids,
Speaker 3: making sure they're okay. I think doing that and nothing else. Really, No,
Speaker 3: my life has gone far beyond what I what the
Speaker 3: expectations were, far beyond the expectations.
Speaker 1: So I'm quite happy. I haven't asked this question in
Speaker 1: as well. But given all that you've done, do you
Speaker 1: care or think about legacy? Do you care? Like I
Speaker 1: want my films to live on? I want you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Do you care or you like I'm dead?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter nothing else? No, No, I wanted to
Speaker 1: think about it. I won't be aware of it. I
Speaker 1: don't believe in and you know, don't have any consciousness.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember what it was like before
Speaker 1: I was alive and I wanted him. I won't know
Speaker 1: what it's like when gone, you know, I don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, one of the talk about legacy.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the things that inspired me
Speaker 1: was the story of Claude Brain, the old Hollywood actor,
Speaker 1: the character actor who actually came from Clapham and had
Speaker 1: a very very rough London accent and I had to
Speaker 1: get it kind of worked out of him and went
Speaker 1: over to Hollywood and became this brilliant character actor. But
Speaker 1: actually he's a real London, working class London boy.
Speaker 3: And I remember thinking, I'd love people to think of
Speaker 3: me the way they thought of claud Brain, and that
Speaker 3: he transcended people's idea of him. I think that would
Speaker 3: be something I'd like.
Speaker 1: Really, that's so interesting. I can ask you a question.
Speaker 1: When you were commuting from la to London see your family,
Speaker 1: how did you survive? What's your jet lag secret?
Speaker 3: Exercise running as soon as you land. When I was
Speaker 3: doing Ray Donovan, because I was playing the boxing trap,
Speaker 3: they gave me a called Rob Garcia, who works out
Speaker 3: and we used to go to the wild Card Gym.
Speaker 3: There's two Wildcard gyms, one in Hollywood and.
Speaker 2: In Santa Monica.
Speaker 3: We used to go to the Santa Monica and also
Speaker 3: Robert Downey Jr. Has a gym in La a secret
Speaker 3: gym that he would let me use, and so I
Speaker 3: would literally get out like three four o'clock in the
Speaker 3: morning and go to the gym and work really hard
Speaker 3: because what we're rob because what I found was that
Speaker 3: if you got physically tired, that overcame the jet leg
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? That that helped you
Speaker 3: become If you became physically tired in that geographical time
Speaker 3: and space, then.
Speaker 1: That helped interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you think there's no after life, nothing dead.
Speaker 3: Nothing, No, no, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well I got news for you, Eddie. You're wrong.
Speaker 1: And the people that there's a heaven and they're very
Speaker 1: annoyed with you for not thinking there would be anything,
Speaker 1: and they're like surprise, you turned off and you're like,
Speaker 1: what I thought I was going to be asleep? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it carries and your workmen. There in heaven is filled
Speaker 1: with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think films. I do love films.
Speaker 1: You've come to the right place because they're fucking cinemas everywhere.
Speaker 1: What's your perfect cinema set up? Do you like them?
Speaker 1: Cinemas with the recliners and the meal, Yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: Glass of red wine.
Speaker 3: Me and my wife's sitting there watching a really good film,
Speaker 3: Lovely Fantastic Mind.
Speaker 2: Jo'll probably fall asleep back ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's why I don't like them about I
Speaker 1: think coming for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my jo. I used to get a lot
Speaker 2: of sleep when I used to said.
Speaker 3: The kids to see kids films and sitting there and
Speaker 3: giving loads of sweeters, and then they'll sit there and
Speaker 3: then I'll just I'll be off.
Speaker 2: But then that's nudge me because I saw I used
Speaker 2: to catch up on my sleep by taking.
Speaker 3: Them to see kids films.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so you've come to Heaven. They're very happy
Speaker 1: to see you. They're big fans. They want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about your life. They want to talk about
Speaker 1: your life through films. The first thing they ask you,
Speaker 1: what is the first film you remember seeing, Eddie.
Speaker 2: I think the first film.
Speaker 3: I think it was at Home. I think it's probably
Speaker 3: something like Jason in the Arg or something like that.
Speaker 3: It was such a film, it was such an I
Speaker 3: think it was something that completely took my attention. It's
Speaker 3: probably what kids get when they played video games.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: For me, it was just amazing to see these monsters
Speaker 3: and all.
Speaker 2: These heroes and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I think Jason in The Arguments was probably the first
Speaker 3: film myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember seeing and you watched that at home?
Speaker 1: That was on TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on TV. I mean, I mean the first film
Speaker 3: going to the cinema to see. I remember my my
Speaker 3: parents took us to see the Cartoon of Robin Hood
Speaker 3: and I remember I remember going in in the afternoon
Speaker 3: and it was sunny and coming out and it was dark,
Speaker 3: and I was blown away by the fact that the
Speaker 3: sun had gone down while the cinema.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the first film I.
Speaker 3: Really remember being excited about, thinking what's gone on?
Speaker 2: What is this thing? Was chasing the Army?
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember thinking I want to be
Speaker 1: part of that? But you just like I just loved
Speaker 1: it as a thing.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I had no idea I want to
Speaker 3: be a part of I was just blown away by
Speaker 3: the by the story and the special effects.
Speaker 1: What about being scared? What's the film that's scared you?
Speaker 1: The nice? Do you like being scared?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was the Road, you know, Yeah, fuck it
Speaker 3: that terrified me. It's funny enough. I was doing I
Speaker 3: was doing a film with Ethan Hawk in I think
Speaker 3: we were in Nova Scotia and he wanted to go
Speaker 3: and see it, and I I wasn't that bothered. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm going and see this film with you. He's quite
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's a real connocern Ethan.
Speaker 2: So I said, come, we're going and see this film.
Speaker 3: Was right, and I sat and sat with him, and
Speaker 3: he put his head in his hands the whole fucking film.
Speaker 3: He put his hands up like he couldn't watch it
Speaker 3: was so terrified. And I was said, shipping myself, but
Speaker 3: watched it, And what the fuck you put me to
Speaker 3: watch this film?
Speaker 2: Even watch it?
Speaker 3: It's just that I found that dystopian post apocalyptic world
Speaker 3: was terrified, awful, Like when you see a mother and
Speaker 3: a child running and those blokes catch up to them
Speaker 3: and you know they're going to eat them.
Speaker 2: It was I found it really disturbing film.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking depressing. Yeah it is a depressing film.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And what what shut what?
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened the course?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever tell you no stuff stuff happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's your big fear, is it? End of the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was terrified, Like when puting them invaded Ukraine,
Speaker 3: I'm going to see it with my wife and thinking
Speaker 3: sitting and thinking, oh god, this is I get really
Speaker 3: disturbed by things like that, Like the idea of Trump
Speaker 3: coming back terrifies me, you know, just like, oh god,
Speaker 3: it just terrifies me. I get really disturbed by things
Speaker 3: like that. I've got I've got to I've got to
Speaker 3: take a step back from.
Speaker 1: How old are you? Your children are all teenagers.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighteen, fifteen and thirteen.
Speaker 1: Wow, boys and girls one girl and.
Speaker 2: Three boys the other just studn't talk to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a lot to worry about.
Speaker 2: Have you got kids?
Speaker 1: No, I don't have kids.
Speaker 2: You can have one of mine if you don't. Got
Speaker 2: fucking luves.
Speaker 1: But I worry the one you'd give me would definitely
Speaker 1: be the worst word. And you know it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll give you the count.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't say, you'd say to them like, oh you're
Speaker 1: going off, We'll have a lovely time.
Speaker 3: Honestly, they love it.
Speaker 1: They love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. They spent they spent the summers in later.
Speaker 1: This one's it. Dues E said, it does you don't
Speaker 1: do anything what's the film about you cry the most?
Speaker 1: Are you a crier? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I cry for I cry a weird thing.
Speaker 3: The weirdest thing I ever cried for when I when
Speaker 3: we had our first baby and I sat up one.
Speaker 2: Night feeding it, like two o'clock in the morning, and.
Speaker 3: I think Jordan got married to Peter Andre and I
Speaker 3: cried watching the.
Speaker 1: Winning It was it was it was, it was moving,
Speaker 1: it was moving. It was the wedding of her time.
Speaker 1: You're right, it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I think the film it was.
Speaker 1: In a big Disney carriage.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like the pushing becks of
Speaker 3: ten years later, wasn't it kind of thing? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: the film that mainly try I think the most shingless
Speaker 3: list that was the film that that I found got
Speaker 3: I've got most disturbed that. I think the little girl
Speaker 3: in the red the red Coat, and also the little
Speaker 3: boy when he when he hides in the toilet and
Speaker 3: do you have a kids telling me you can't be
Speaker 3: there anything, poor little fuck, you can't even be there.
Speaker 2: They want to be letting M stay there.
Speaker 3: That was that was the most disturbing thing for me,
Speaker 3: and that made that upset me the most.
Speaker 1: What is the film that you love? People don't like it,
Speaker 1: it is not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2: Carry On Screaming, I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Tell me about I think I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 1: Tell me about carry On Screaming.
Speaker 2: It's with R. H. Koulbert and Prunella Fielding.
Speaker 3: It's it's just a carry on film and it's based
Speaker 3: on basically horror movies. It's based on the Hammer horror movies.
Speaker 3: And it's probably the best one. I think that, or
Speaker 3: the Carrying Up with Young One. It's just fantastic, you know,
Speaker 3: It's just it's just brilliant. I mean that people turn
Speaker 3: into wear wolves, and there's and there's a Mummy, and
Speaker 3: there's a there's like a Dracula figure. Kenneg Williams is like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like a dracularly mad scientist.
Speaker 2: It's just brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's so camped, but it's it's great and I think
Speaker 3: it's probably my It's the one that I could watch
Speaker 3: all the time, and I'm not supposed to.
Speaker 2: I should be more of a common serve.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, I forget about the carry on films.
Speaker 1: I love to carry on films carry what's the best
Speaker 1: carry on? Clear? The best way?
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know. My favorite gag is in
Speaker 3: carry on carrying lot of jungle where Silver Sims asked,
Speaker 3: is it silver John Sims? John Sims asks, She asks,
Speaker 3: what say? Glance asked you? They're going to go and
Speaker 3: see the monkeys and it's maintain season. She says to me,
Speaker 3: if I throw monkeys, do you think they'll come? When
Speaker 3: he said, will you?
Speaker 1: And it's just great, great comic time.
Speaker 2: I just love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love those games. I'm a real gag merchant.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I do love it. I do love a gag. I
Speaker 2: do a very old fashioned in my.
Speaker 1: You haven't done a lot of comedy, have you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I did early on I did, and then it just
Speaker 3: went a bit. I think after I seen certain roles
Speaker 3: push in a certain direction. I think, Happy Go Lucky,
Speaker 3: push me into the mad conspiracy, theorist thing, and then
Speaker 3: and then other roles have sent me in other ways. No,
Speaker 3: I'd love to do more comedy, Actually I quite. I
Speaker 3: do like comedy very much.
Speaker 1: Interesting. What is the film that you used to love
Speaker 1: but you've watched it recently and you've got I don't
Speaker 1: like this anymore.
Speaker 3: The last two seasons of Ray Donovan were in New
Speaker 3: York rather than their a So we rented a house
Speaker 3: in Long Island, me and.
Speaker 2: Me and my wife and the kids.
Speaker 3: And Long Island is kind of like these these towns
Speaker 3: we were in place call Sad Harbor, but around there
Speaker 3: are like these villages and it's a bit.
Speaker 2: Like amateur bill horror, you know, those kind of houses.
Speaker 3: And we were trying to tell my kids, so are young,
Speaker 3: and we were telling about great horror movies, and me
Speaker 3: and my wife told about Silence of the Land and
Speaker 3: we watched it and they were like totally not scared
Speaker 3: at all, really, And when I watched it with them,
Speaker 3: I remember thinking, actually, it's quite a bit of a
Speaker 3: TV movie. Really, it's not as good as I thought
Speaker 3: it was. I think the performances are amazing, but the
Speaker 3: actual filmmaking I didn't feel that great.
Speaker 2: So we felt defeated, me in my wife.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think they could have called social
Speaker 3: services on us because what we did was yeah, but
Speaker 3: there's an abbul and was shown.
Speaker 2: We showed them the Exorcis, we showed them the exit.
Speaker 3: They were terrified and they were traumatizing me and my wiferiend.
Speaker 1: Oh that didn't suck you up? Well, okay.
Speaker 3: To you up now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're there all weekend, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah funny. What is the film that means the
Speaker 1: most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is good,
Speaker 1: but the experience you had seeing it will always make
Speaker 1: it special to you.
Speaker 3: I was once dumped. I was once broken, eyted and
Speaker 3: dumped by. She was a girl I went to drama
Speaker 3: school with, and she's now a well known actress and
Speaker 3: she left me for a trumpet, but she I lost
Speaker 3: that to the brass section. So and I remember sitting
Speaker 3: sitting watching when Harry met Sally, and I remember thinking that.
Speaker 2: Was really it was not my own.
Speaker 3: I was just me and me and my bulldog at
Speaker 3: the time, sitting there watching it, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 3: you know, life goes on, you just you know, just
Speaker 3: hang around and lifeguard. And I remember that film made
Speaker 3: me gave me kind of hope that life goes on,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What is the film that you most relate to relate to?
Speaker 3: Well, the film that I remember that, I think The
Speaker 3: Long Good Friday was the first time I heard someone
Speaker 3: speak with a voice that I recognized.
Speaker 1: I think I think when I.
Speaker 2: Saw Bob Hoskins on screen and the.
Speaker 3: Way you used to hear people do swear or do
Speaker 3: London accents or to play gagster movie, but they always
Speaker 3: sounded fake. And when I first heard Bob Hoskin, I
Speaker 3: remember thinking, that's that sounds like my old man. You know,
Speaker 3: that sounds like men on can sort of state that's it,
Speaker 3: that's it, he's gone wrong. And I remember think seeing
Speaker 3: that and thinking, you know, that was the first time
Speaker 3: I heard my voice on screen and I saw the
Speaker 3: mannerisms that I identified with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, given that you've worked with everyone, is there someone
Speaker 1: you've worked with that you were like a huge fan
Speaker 1: of and when and then you did get to work
Speaker 1: with him and it was a great You don't have
Speaker 1: to tell me a negative story, but like, have you
Speaker 1: worked with someone that you really looked up to that
Speaker 1: was a big start to you that you ended up
Speaker 1: doing something with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think when we did go to
Speaker 3: New York, I spent nine months with Jim Broadby, I
Speaker 3: was like, he's a psychic. I mean, I've got I've
Speaker 3: ended up with two lines in the film and lot
Speaker 3: my storyline got cut, but they put me with the
Speaker 3: first day they put me, tell me to go at
Speaker 3: lunch with Jim Broadby, and it was just it was
Speaker 3: just a brilliant learning being with him for nine months
Speaker 3: on set, and we became great friends and we had
Speaker 3: such a laugh. And it's funny because Stephen Graham spent
Speaker 3: time with Leonardo, and him and Leonardo.
Speaker 2: Became great friends.
Speaker 3: And I don't really and I don't know Leonard. I know,
Speaker 3: I never spent much time with him, but me and
Speaker 3: Jim just became really really good mates.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's a funny.
Speaker 3: One day we were playing we were playing football and
Speaker 3: I was in goal and we were doing three kicks,
Speaker 3: just playing three kicks and no one could beat me,
Speaker 3: and all the actors, none of them could.
Speaker 2: I was I was keeping every every.
Speaker 3: Shot out and then they gave Jim a go and
Speaker 3: he and he was the only one who scored and
Speaker 3: everyone judged it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was that was the first time I was a
Speaker 3: big fan of his and I learned how to be
Speaker 3: not only behave on the film set, but kind of
Speaker 3: keep your power drive, you know, kind of keep because
Speaker 3: I was there with Daniel day Lewis, and Daniel was
Speaker 3: always in character and was always build a butcher, and
Speaker 3: that was and it seemed to exhausting. And watched Jim,
Speaker 3: and Jim was like would always keep very calm and
Speaker 3: very polite to everybody, but also was always ready when
Speaker 3: he needed to be. You could tell he's always spinning plates,
Speaker 3: but very quietly and without much fuss. And I remember
Speaker 3: watching him and thinking that's the way to do it,
Speaker 3: because it was just inspiration.
Speaker 1: So can I ask you? And maybe you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to talk about it? I don't know.
Speaker 2: With Dan.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered with Dania day Lewis being in character,
Speaker 1: does that mean he's like getting food at length being horrible?
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not. It's not like that at all.
Speaker 3: Actually a lot of people think that's not I mean
Speaker 3: we would talk to he would Basically what he does.
Speaker 3: I did the same thing when we did Ray Donovan
Speaker 3: with the Parkinson. So what he does is he keeps
Speaker 3: the physicality, the physical aspects of the character, the voice,
Speaker 3: the mannerisms. He keeps that on all the time because
Speaker 3: when when the camera rolls, he wanted to be spontaneous,
Speaker 3: but I would sit there and read an article in
Speaker 3: the Guardian and say, what do you think about this article?
Speaker 3: And yeah, you call him Bill, not that you know,
Speaker 3: and it's our Yeah, and did talk about anything and
Speaker 3: it was always for life. But what he was doing
Speaker 3: was keeping that physical side of the character running.
Speaker 2: So when when the.
Speaker 3: Camera rolled, it was it was on the ball. And
Speaker 3: when we did Ray Donovan and I did the Parkins,
Speaker 3: I used to have to keep that going so that
Speaker 3: when you saw it it didn't look like I was acting,
Speaker 3: you know. But the worst thing about Ray Donovan was
Speaker 3: but it's like like like you got me here the
Speaker 3: cameras and the edge of frame is here. The thing
Speaker 3: is you have so you have to have to shake
Speaker 3: like I have to have to shake there on Parker
Speaker 3: because if you had to shake there, it's just waking
Speaker 3: the whole thing. When I auditioning for Ray Donovan, I
Speaker 3: auditioning on a Sunday night and I taped it and
Speaker 3: I'll choute to my wife and she made me go
Speaker 3: back and do it again because you're just you're just
Speaker 3: knocking one out.
Speaker 2: As obviously thought it was terrible.
Speaker 3: I had to tell to ask if you directed to
Speaker 3: tell me the age of frame you'd have to like
Speaker 3: lean do something because they have to see the shape,
Speaker 3: but they can't be below the can't be below the
Speaker 3: edge of.
Speaker 2: Frame because it looks O scene.
Speaker 1: Do you have a especially in your earlier when when
Speaker 1: you're turning up on a film where you're not where
Speaker 1: you're a smaller part and you're coming in to do
Speaker 1: a week or something and the film is already going,
Speaker 1: And do you have a system of like day one,
Speaker 1: how you greet you know, do you do you introduce
Speaker 1: yourself to everyone? You say, like do you have a way,
Speaker 1: because so much if it's like social and how you
Speaker 1: deal with the cruise and everyone like do you have
Speaker 1: a Is it just you play it by it, see
Speaker 1: what the vibe is or do you have a system?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I had a great I had a
Speaker 3: great teacher. Had I had a Russian die called Sam
Speaker 3: Coogan used to study with the Moscow Arts Theater and
Speaker 3: he knew that I wasn't academic. I mean I left
Speaker 3: score at fifteen and I got no academic qualifications. So
Speaker 3: anything cerebral, I've always struggled with language or whatever. But
Speaker 3: it's something very visceral, visual music or you know, sensory.
Speaker 2: I can that's the way I work.
Speaker 3: And he said to me once, he said, I'm going
Speaker 3: to teach you to act like a mechanic. He said,
Speaker 3: because if your car breaks down, no matter if it's snowing, raining,
Speaker 3: sunny weather, whatever, mechanic will will open up a box
Speaker 3: and will fix your car.
Speaker 2: And he said, I'm going to teach you.
Speaker 1: To act like that.
Speaker 2: So no matter where you turn.
Speaker 3: Up on set, no matter what's going on, you're going
Speaker 3: to turn up and do your job. And he gave
Speaker 3: me a technique, and that technique is what has enabled
Speaker 3: me to, regardless of what's going on, to just turn
Speaker 3: up and do my job. I think also having children
Speaker 3: helps as well, because family life became so important. You
Speaker 3: don't get emotional strokes at work. You don't go to
Speaker 3: work to seek belonging. You just go to work to work,
Speaker 3: and that enables you to be much more polite because
Speaker 3: you don't need anything from anybody. And if you don't
Speaker 3: need anything from anybody, you can be kind.
Speaker 2: If you if you go to work and you've.
Speaker 3: Got to be along with people have got to tell
Speaker 3: you how wonderful you are.
Speaker 2: You're in trouble, really, you know, it's best to just
Speaker 2: turn up and do the job.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. What's the technique?
Speaker 3: Well, he had he ran an academy called the Science
Speaker 3: of Acting, and I started with him. There's like a
Speaker 3: ten step thing that he does that I've always kind
Speaker 3: of used. Really it's it's it's very fascinating. It's it's
Speaker 3: I mean, I think other people use it's what you
Speaker 3: do spontaneous. What he did was is he looked at
Speaker 3: what good actors do and try to make show you
Speaker 3: what they do. It's not it's not it's not it's
Speaker 3: not cultishur it. You don't, you know, you said, this
Speaker 3: is what good acting is, and you just do it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really interesting, fascinating. What a world? What a life?
Speaker 1: What is the sexiest film you've ever seen? Oh?
Speaker 2: I used to love I just love the hammer House.
Speaker 3: To borrow vampire films, you know, those women with heaving
Speaker 3: the features just before it bit their neck.
Speaker 1: I just love it.
Speaker 3: I mean that was my like, you know, that was
Speaker 3: when I was was becoming sexually a where you saw
Speaker 3: watch that. It's amazing, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I don't like. I don't like rituitous. I'd rather as
Speaker 3: the suggestion than the the actual thing, you know, so
Speaker 3: you know, like and also like that Ponanski film The
Speaker 3: Darts of the Vampires or I don't know killers, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Phyllis Vampire Killers.
Speaker 2: There's got two titles for some reason, that's right.
Speaker 3: But Sharon tateing that it's absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, that kind
Speaker 3: of there's something about vampire Apparently vampire films always come
Speaker 3: into fashion whenever society is more prudish, whenever society. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's vampire because it's it's a subconscious approaching sexuality in
Speaker 3: a different way, you know. Apparently when Bush was in power,
Speaker 3: and when Bush was in power and Miracle was becoming
Speaker 3: more slightly more puritanical, that's when you've got all those vampire.
Speaker 2: Movies coming out.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I find that. Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 3: Also I also the Phillish Vamparkers because my favorite vampire
Speaker 3: is alf your Past. He came from bethnal Green, so
Speaker 3: my name kind of knew his family and he came
Speaker 3: from bethnal.
Speaker 2: Green and he's he was like a hero of mine
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. They should tell me about.
Speaker 3: Alf your Pass and especially when I'm when I was
Speaker 3: when I started acting a lot of the other people
Speaker 3: say you've got to be the next healthy Past, but
Speaker 3: it's great enough film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 1: There's a subcategory. The sub category is traveling bonus worrying.
Speaker 1: Why I don't a filmy fad the browser? You weren't
Speaker 1: sure you should. I don't want to ask this question,
Speaker 1: but I have to. It's the podcast.
Speaker 2: Probably bammed me or something, which yeah people, yeah lovely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Up, lovely. So that you don't find this thing, let
Speaker 1: me try this. Uh Okay, what is objectively, objectively the
Speaker 1: greatest film of all time might not be your favorite,
Speaker 1: but it is the best of cinema.
Speaker 3: I would probably say it would either be Gender Florette
Speaker 3: I think I loved Yonder I thought that was amazing,
Speaker 3: or but the other one I think, and this is
Speaker 3: actually one of the earliest films I remember seeing was
Speaker 3: The Night of the Hunter. I think The Night of
Speaker 3: the Hunters is amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: You know what, Neither of those films have ever come
Speaker 1: up in all the episodes of this podcast. That is
Speaker 1: an excellent show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think if I'm on, if I'm yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean my favorite film is The Godfather, But you
Speaker 3: told me not because everyone.
Speaker 1: I fucking told you, I told you.
Speaker 3: But I do think that A Hunter is an amazing film,
Speaker 3: and I do think Jonda is an amazing I mean,
Speaker 3: Daniel Jond the acting is amazing, is amazing. It's just
Speaker 3: just wonderful a story and a twist at the end
Speaker 3: and everything brilliant.
Speaker 1: Well, great shout, you're very good at this and what
Speaker 1: yeah you're getting you're actually scoring quite high a lot
Speaker 1: of points. I haven't told you this sometimes. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you, you've got about one hundred and ninety five thousand.
Speaker 1: Just what is the film that you could or have?
Speaker 1: What's the most over and over again?
Speaker 2: Probably The Life of Brian?
Speaker 1: Probably, Oh what a cracker, it's so good. The Life
Speaker 1: of Brian.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, so funny. I mean some
Speaker 3: of the gags are just amazing.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. But it's also so well made, like
Speaker 1: it's a properly Yeah, it's a good film, and it
Speaker 1: has a good story and like aside from the days,
Speaker 1: like that is a good film.
Speaker 2: And the ending is yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think the ending is genuinely profound, Like I think it's deep.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking brilliant film, though, is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, and I'm a member of the British
Speaker 3: Humanist Association, so I'm very for me, it's just the
Speaker 3: comment it makes about religion, not only about religion, but
Speaker 3: about belief systems, whether they be political or philosophical, religious
Speaker 3: or whatever, and how we buy into them, and how
Speaker 3: I'm a great believer that all these belief systems are
Speaker 3: just ways of belonging. Really, all of them, they're just
Speaker 3: wasted belonging, and we buy into it because it gives
Speaker 3: us a sense of identity because then what it's more
Speaker 3: terrifying and realizing that, as the Buddha said, do is
Speaker 3: no self, which I found fascinating in the sense that
Speaker 3: we're not thing.
Speaker 2: People want to fix them.
Speaker 3: They want to have a fixed sense of self as
Speaker 3: they want to hold on to something, you know. And
Speaker 3: I love the life of Brown because it kind of
Speaker 3: takes all that part, you know.
Speaker 1: And you don't want to be put in a box.
Speaker 1: So you don't like this fixed sense of self.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the words. It's almost traumatic to me if
Speaker 3: people try to define it. There was there was a
Speaker 3: fascinating discussion. David Harewood gave a talk that Jonathan Dimbleby
Speaker 3: talked and I was invited to go and listen to
Speaker 3: it about being a black actor in Britain, and they
Speaker 3: told this story about it. In his talk, he told
Speaker 3: this story about him in the late nineteen fifties, just
Speaker 3: after the wind Rush, about ten years after the first
Speaker 3: wind Rush generation came over and the BBC decided to
Speaker 3: do a live play for Today about Jamaican immigrants coming
Speaker 3: to London. But people who are making the film, the
Speaker 3: people who are writing it, directing it, set dressing or whatever,
Speaker 3: were white. But they got these these Jamaican actors to
Speaker 3: come in and play these parts, you know. And there's
Speaker 3: a famous story about this young Jamaican actress came in
Speaker 3: and she came into her bedroom and it was messy
Speaker 3: and it was filthy, and they were going to start
Speaker 3: shooting live in about fifteen minutes, and she said, why.
Speaker 2: Is this so dirty?
Speaker 3: And they said, well, that's how you live, and she said,
Speaker 3: that's not how I live. And so when they left
Speaker 3: in the fifteen minutes, she tidied the rum up, cleaned
Speaker 3: it up, so when they shot it, it showed how
Speaker 3: she would live. And I've found that in my career
Speaker 3: that exact story has happened to me quite a few
Speaker 3: times where someone's asked me to play someone from my
Speaker 3: background and then you play it and they and they
Speaker 3: show me the house that I'm living in or the
Speaker 3: clothes that I'm wearing, and they're filthy, and they're like,
Speaker 3: there's a need for people to infantilize us, there's a
Speaker 3: need for people to in and I think it's there's
Speaker 3: something about creatives, and there's progressive creatives.
Speaker 2: There's a narcissistic element in them.
Speaker 3: Where they have to be the rescuer and the people
Speaker 3: that they're making the film about are the victims and
Speaker 3: they're going to rescue them. And if you're not a victim,
Speaker 3: then they can't be the hero of the story, do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And sore, And I've always
Speaker 3: pushed back against that, you know, I've always don't I
Speaker 3: don't buy this, And that's one of one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why I've never wanted to be I don't like
Speaker 3: people defining me because you haven't got any idea of why, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I haven't got any idea of why.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well no, there are two things. One when
Speaker 1: I always think whenever I see like reality TV always
Speaker 1: there's like a thing that people always say on reality
Speaker 1: TV where they go like, yeah, well that's me, that's me,
Speaker 1: you know me, that's me, that's what I'm like. And
Speaker 1: I always think, how do.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: You don't know? I don't know. How are you say? Sure? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all these things. But then it's also I think people
Speaker 1: are it's everyone is so fucking complicated. It's much easier.
Speaker 1: It's like when you hear gossip and stuff. It's it's
Speaker 1: so I think why, like gossip is like fun for
Speaker 1: a second, and then you feel awful, you feel you
Speaker 1: feel the pressed afterwards. Is because it's like a dehumanization.
Speaker 1: It's like you get to go, oh, they're this, they're this,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, yeah, we can minimize that person into but
Speaker 1: they're a bad guy or they're a good guy there
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, and then afterwards you feel empty because
Speaker 1: you know that's not true and you wouldn't want anyone
Speaker 1: talking about you in that way, and you go like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all fucking a million things and it's complicated, yeah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just why I think populism is. That's what
Speaker 3: the right populism popular is. Populism always demands an other
Speaker 3: to dehumanize. It always starts, and social media is terrible
Speaker 3: for that. Social media is fucking unbelievable. Yeah, the way,
Speaker 3: the way you cannot explore complex or new and ideas.
Speaker 3: It has to be a binary idea. And the more
Speaker 3: binary the idea is, the more followers you get, and
Speaker 3: you know, and and it's just just I find it exhausted.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's terrified. That stuff terrifies me, like the right
Speaker 1: terrifies you. But it's yeah, but I think it's all
Speaker 1: comes from insecurity that everyone is scared of their own
Speaker 1: like because the thought that you have expressed that everyone
Speaker 1: wants to belong and there is never belong. We are
Speaker 1: all one consciousness and it's all one fucking thing. It's
Speaker 1: so unfathorable and scary that you got couple just make
Speaker 1: it that it's this.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I cannot be that you
Speaker 2: be that yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, Edie, I mean the points are just
Speaker 1: racking up here. I I don't like being negative. What's
Speaker 1: the worst will we've ever seen?
Speaker 2: I went to l A. I was jet like in
Speaker 2: l A and I was working and I went to
Speaker 2: see the Passion of Christ. Yes, I remember sat and
Speaker 2: watched it and there was.
Speaker 3: This woman beside me, and she was quite a famous her,
Speaker 3: but she started crying, she's getting moved. And I watched it,
Speaker 3: and first of all, I thought, alt a bit. It's
Speaker 3: really it's really dependent on the ide that.
Speaker 2: People know Jesus is that people have.
Speaker 3: This belief system. Because it doesn't introduce it, it doesn't
Speaker 3: tell the story. It says, this is him, this is
Speaker 3: how he suffered for you. And I'm watching thinking this
Speaker 3: is this is awful. I'm thinking this is just like this,
Speaker 3: he suffered because of you. I mean I remember watching
Speaker 3: it and literally thinking to myself, this is like a
Speaker 3: poor no that goes straight to the country. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't get this.
Speaker 1: It's two hours of a man being beaten up, like
Speaker 1: it's it's such a weird if you take the context
Speaker 1: out of it and you go, if you knew nothing
Speaker 1: of religion, you go, do you want to watch this film?
Speaker 1: You've watched that and be like, why did you make
Speaker 1: me watch a man get beaten? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeahs, unless you understand the religious beliefs behind it. I remember,
Speaker 3: you know, I just watched it and thought that this
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense to me, because I think you
Speaker 3: believe it. I thought it's terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally fair. Do you know this.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell this on the podcast Go Back.
Speaker 1: I think about this often during the making and Passion
Speaker 1: of the Christ. Jim Convisio. If that's how you say
Speaker 1: it is on the cross and he gets struck by
Speaker 1: lightning not once, but three times, If that is not
Speaker 1: a sign that you should stop making this best, it's
Speaker 1: amazing to me they continued making the film three times
Speaker 1: he got struck by lightning on the cruss. God is
Speaker 1: talking to you. You should listen, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: We had to me and me and bench happening with you.
Speaker 3: We we were doing this film once and we were
Speaker 3: laughing about what it's really like to make a film
Speaker 3: compared to what you see on screening, like we imagine,
Speaker 3: like like because actors always want like a coffee or
Speaker 3: they want to you know, and me it's always another moca,
Speaker 3: you know. So so like you're playing Jesus, Like so
Speaker 3: even if I was playing Jesus like literally before you
Speaker 3: see this, and I'm up there on the cross literally
Speaker 3: like this, you'd be like, you know, if I was
Speaker 3: playing Robin or I'll be like, you know, I'll be.
Speaker 1: Like, like you put some cinnamon on it, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then back under the cross, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's what it's like in filmmaking, really, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, It's funny. I love when people
Speaker 1: come visit on set. I won't come visit on set,
Speaker 1: and I always like to time how long it takes
Speaker 1: to they realize how fucking boring it is.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, my kids used to. My kids
Speaker 3: used to come and then they just don't get sweets
Speaker 3: from the grass of it.
Speaker 2: And when we and there we was, we didn't ride Donovan.
Speaker 3: They said, you can always tell when Eddie's kids turn
Speaker 3: up because the door to the studio is sticky.
Speaker 2: Because my kids nothing but sweet. And also they used
Speaker 2: to nick.
Speaker 3: My two eldest used to nick the little golfing buggies around.
Speaker 3: And there was one idea used to let them do.
Speaker 3: One idea was a bit of a stone. They used
Speaker 3: to let them do everything.
Speaker 2: And the one idea used to really get strict and
Speaker 2: you can't do that. But my kids used to.
Speaker 1: Around on the golf that's fine. What is the film
Speaker 1: You're funny and you should do more comedy. What is
Speaker 1: the film that made you laugh? The most. I think
Speaker 1: Animal House, okay.
Speaker 3: Animal House, I think Blazing Saddles wonderful, and I think those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was a film.
Speaker 3: There's a really funny film called Partners with John.
Speaker 1: Hurt and Ryan O'Neill.
Speaker 3: He's set in the eighties where John Hurt is a
Speaker 3: gay cop, Ryan O'Neil County's partner and they and they go.
Speaker 2: On and they sold this can's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3: Wow, I think. But I think, you know, I think
Speaker 3: stir crazy was I think those two together are just brilli,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, amazing and it was directed by Sydney Poitier.
Speaker 1: I believe you're right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: What a mad fact you getting. You get twenty points
Speaker 1: for that one? Fuck, Eddie, I think you might be
Speaker 1: in the league. Eddie. You've got let me just count
Speaker 1: this up. Six seven, one hundred ninety one thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five hundred and thirteen points, which I
Speaker 1: think is one of the highest scores we've had on it.
Speaker 1: So congratulations, you've been amazing. However, your wife has discussed
Speaker 1: she's a bit of assault. You were making love to it.
Speaker 1: You were making love to it just before match of
Speaker 1: the day. You time. You usually tied it right, you
Speaker 1: usually turned it. So you timed it. You started thirty
Speaker 1: seconds before the match of the day to predict it.
Speaker 1: And at twenty second, twenty three seconds in, you start
Speaker 1: to think, oh, my heart on the other side is
Speaker 1: feeling a bit weird, and you died. You died, exploded
Speaker 1: in the spot, and your lovely wife rolled you off
Speaker 1: and went football Z one and she laid back to
Speaker 1: what's the football? And after match of the day, I
Speaker 1: was walking around with a coffin, you know what, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it like a and one
Speaker 1: of your fourteen kids answers the door and said, I said,
Speaker 1: where's the Where's that? They went upstairs making love to it.
Speaker 1: I'll come upstairs. You're dead. Your your wife. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She's like, no, I don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I sort of. He seemed happy. Look at him, he
Speaker 1: smiling and you are grinning. And anyway, so with you,
Speaker 1: we get you in this coffin. I have to chop
Speaker 1: you up because there's more of you know, I was
Speaker 1: expecting the stuff you're in the coffin. Coffin absolutely roummed.
Speaker 1: There's no room in this coffin. There's only enough room
Speaker 1: to slide one DVD into the side for you to
Speaker 1: take across to the other side. And on the other
Speaker 1: side its movie night every night. What film are you
Speaker 1: taking to show in heaven when it is your movie night?
Speaker 2: Oh god?
Speaker 1: It has fucking Godfather, it has to be.
Speaker 2: It's just an amazing film.
Speaker 1: You could take it.
Speaker 2: I haven't shown my kids yet. I'm saving it.
Speaker 1: Are you scared? Because in case they don't like.
Speaker 3: Showed one and two and if they don't like, i'mould
Speaker 3: have shown me.
Speaker 1: So funny you will watch this excess, watch you like.
Speaker 3: I'll show you.
Speaker 2: Bandy f.
Speaker 1: Eddie. You've been joy and the delight and fascinating. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for doing this. And you would like
Speaker 1: to tell people to watch or to listen to coming
Speaker 1: up that you are doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got Back to Black coming out?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah in.
Speaker 2: In the UK and then may a think in the.
Speaker 3: US is Back to Black is coming out? The only
Speaker 3: the film about Amy wine House a beautiful it's a
Speaker 3: beautiful film. It's a real tribute and it shows them
Speaker 3: from her perspective. And I play Mitch her dad. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: which is uh fascinating characters are playing and.
Speaker 1: Did you meet him?
Speaker 3: I met mit, I met, I spent a couple of
Speaker 3: days with him, and fascinating, fascinating man. One thing that happened,
Speaker 3: I have to sing in the film. I have to
Speaker 3: sing and Flying Me to the Moon. And I got
Speaker 3: mitched to record because Mitch is a very good singer.
Speaker 3: So I got mitched to record fly Me to the
Speaker 3: Moon him singing so I could copy his voice, and
Speaker 3: he recorded it for me.
Speaker 2: And at the end, when you record it, anyway, there you.
Speaker 3: Go love you. And I suddenly realized that I said
Speaker 3: that to my kids all the time, when they're going
Speaker 3: to school or they're going.
Speaker 2: To love you.
Speaker 3: And I realized that this is a man whose daughter's
Speaker 3: no longer with us, and he's got all this love
Speaker 3: and he doesn't know where to put it, so he
Speaker 3: says love you, and I suddenly it broke my heart,
Speaker 3: you know, And and it made me realize as a father,
Speaker 3: that that's what you're playing. Yes, since you're playing a father,
Speaker 3: you're playing a man whose daughter is an addict at
Speaker 3: the same time as being the most famous woman in
Speaker 3: the world, and how do you deal with that? And
Speaker 3: you're just a captain, you know, and that's why I thought, well,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's the way to approach this. And also
Speaker 3: we've got April to twelfth, We've got Franklin coming out,
Speaker 3: which is on app which is a story about Benjamin Franklin,
Speaker 3: Michael Douglas paying Benjamin Franklin. I played John Adams, your
Speaker 3: second American President. So I come over to Paris and
Speaker 3: give him a kickup the heart space?
Speaker 1: Do you did you? Has can? I ask? Has Mitch
Speaker 1: seen the film?
Speaker 2: Has he seen the film? But yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he has. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't seen the completed film yet because
Speaker 3: they're still doing the music to it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Have you had this experience of playing someone real who's
Speaker 1: alive and them seeing, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Played I played I played Pool for Vits, I played
Speaker 3: Bob Dylan, I've played Shaman Parritz. For some reason, they're
Speaker 3: all Jewish and I'm not Jewish, but for some reason,
Speaker 3: I get I get cast a lot in Jewish roles.
Speaker 3: I think, I think, to be honest with you, I
Speaker 3: think it's because a lot of the guys making films,
Speaker 3: and quite often a lot of the Jewish guys cast me.
Speaker 3: They make stories about their uncles and their and their
Speaker 3: fathers and their grand fathers. And when they hear me speak,
Speaker 3: because and they go, you got my grandfather's voice. And
Speaker 3: then and then, I mean I grew up speaking a
Speaker 3: little bit of like Yiddish lang because in the East
Speaker 3: End it's all.
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: And so when they hear me said, they got, God,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what my grandfather or my uncle, you know
Speaker 3: my uncle my sounded like you say, Yeah, that's because
Speaker 3: that's where I come from. So I think that was
Speaker 3: that That's the way it kind of came from that.
Speaker 3: I mean, Mitch comes from Stepney and I come from Stepney.
Speaker 3: So when we sat down and talked, it's just like
Speaker 3: two Stepney boys just sitting talking about life.
Speaker 1: Really, have you had the experience of the person you've
Speaker 1: played seeing the film and then talking to you afterwards
Speaker 1: about it or is that not happening?
Speaker 3: No, somebody, I don't know if Bob Dylan's manager showed
Speaker 3: in me playing Bob Dylan the thing.
Speaker 2: But it's a lovely story. It's about I did this
Speaker 2: thing called.
Speaker 3: Knocking on Dave's Door, which was off for sky Art,
Speaker 3: and it's about there's an urban myth that save Stewart.
Speaker 3: The Eurrhythmics invited Bob Dylan to crouch in. Then he
Speaker 3: went to crouch Hill or something, and he knocked on
Speaker 3: the door of this bloke called Dave, and he said
Speaker 3: it's Dave. Then yeah, it'll be back in twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: And the plumb Dave came back was played by Paul
Speaker 3: Rissa in the film. And he and then there's Bob
Speaker 3: Dylan to sit in his living woman and they watched
Speaker 3: her countdown all afternoon.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh Eddie, I've loved this. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for this. What a pleasure you meeting you and hang
Speaker 1: out with you. Thank you. I have a wonderful death.
Speaker 1: Send my love to your sort of a wife and
Speaker 1: to your four children. And if you are going to
Speaker 1: send me one, just send me at least the bund
Speaker 1: in the middle one.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't want the worst way. Yeah, give me one
Speaker 1: with some hope, you know what I mean. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: a pleasure. I hope pleasure you in real life. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your time. Thank you very much. Cheers, good day.
Speaker 1: So that was episode two hundred and eighty six. Head
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Speaker 1: five style writing but right about the film that means
Speaker 1: most of you and why I don't write about the
Speaker 1: podcast No one cares about that. They want to hear
Speaker 1: about your favorite film or might it means something to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. And my
Speaker 1: naghbor more he fucking loves reading him. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much to Eddie forgiving me his time. Make sure you
Speaker 1: watch Back to Black when it comes out. Thank you
Speaker 1: to Scruby's Pittman, the Distraction Pieces Network, Thanks to Buddy
Speaker 1: Peace for producing it, Thanks to Adam Richardson for the
Speaker 1: graphics and Least Alone for the photography, and to Will
Speaker 1: Ferrell and the Big Money Players Network for hosting it.
Speaker 1: Come and join me next week for another smasher of
Speaker 1: an episode. Oh, I've got a good one next week.
Speaker 1: You're going to love it, so I hope you're all well.
Speaker 1: That is it for now. Thank you for listening. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, have a lovely week, and please, now more
Speaker 1: than ever, be excellent to each other.
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