Speaker 1: So have you ever heard of July tenth as seven
Speaker 1: ten day?
Speaker 2: Seven ten day? That is not familiar to me?
Speaker 1: Well, that's surprisingly because it's a weed holiday. No shita
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah apparently. And this is I am h O
Speaker 1: real dumb. It's called seven ten day because when you
Speaker 1: turn seven ten upside down, it looks like oil. It's
Speaker 1: all about different types of oil THHC, like shatter or vapes. Okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is legit. I mean obviously it's just you know,
Speaker 1: a hallmark holiday for weed. Like they just made it
Speaker 1: up to sell shit, right holidays are Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: That's just thinking to myself like, well, I guess it's
Speaker 2: just like, what the fuck does I have to do
Speaker 2: with anything?
Speaker 1: Fair Well, in remembrance of seven ten day, which was
Speaker 1: at this point, remember many days ago.
Speaker 2: Well you know what, babe, I will unlike other days,
Speaker 2: I will smoke wheat on some intent.
Speaker 1: Well, you got it. You gotta cook up some shatter.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1: What else? Tell them what we're watching.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're finally watching the Bear finally, So now we're
Speaker 2: in season two, so everyone can stop yelling at us
Speaker 2: about seeing the Bear.
Speaker 1: Enjoyable Yeah, perfectly enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a part of me that was like,
Speaker 2: I kind of wish that I had watched a show
Speaker 2: like this before I worked at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what the difference is. We both worked for
Speaker 1: a long time in restaurants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about the attitude that they're bringing to
Speaker 2: their careers and wanting, you know, to put their best
Speaker 2: foot forward and stuff like that. And there's sometimes when
Speaker 2: you know, I was younger, and it's not my business,
Speaker 2: so I don't care, you know, like I'm just there
Speaker 2: to make my money and leave.
Speaker 1: Sure, but there were.
Speaker 2: Times when I would think to myself, like, if you
Speaker 2: really wanted to, you could you could think about this
Speaker 2: in a more serious way, like thinking about being the
Speaker 2: first person somebody sees that morning and setting a tone
Speaker 2: for their day and like smiling over their coffee and
Speaker 2: making it a cheerful experience so that they're like, ah,
Speaker 2: I feel good this morning, I'm gonna go tackle my
Speaker 2: day like you know you can, you can think or
Speaker 2: being the person at the end of the day that's
Speaker 2: like providing a really nice meal and people remember what
Speaker 2: they worked so hard for delicious food, and I had
Speaker 2: to go out and enjoy myself and have someone wait
Speaker 2: on me. Like there is something about that service that
Speaker 2: you're providing that you can take a lot of pride in.
Speaker 2: And I don't think I had that at all. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I hate everything and everyone.
Speaker 1: But to me, it was very dependent on that two
Speaker 1: way street, right, like if the customer, you know, had
Speaker 1: an attitude of you're the machine that brings me my sustenance, now.
Speaker 2: Do it right, pon pon nine.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking the other day of a table
Speaker 1: of these you know, I was oney five. They were
Speaker 1: probably close to my same age, maybe a little younger,
Speaker 1: and it was the worst day. I mean, a brunch
Speaker 1: shift on Saturday is something that everyone should have to
Speaker 1: do in their life so that they can understand it,
Speaker 1: and like it should be mandatory for citizenship. I think
Speaker 1: you should have to do, you know, eighteen months of brunch.
Speaker 2: Service or at least some brunch and then like a
Speaker 2: Christmas retail yeah right right, you know, three months of
Speaker 2: seasonal retail.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me started, but we should all
Speaker 1: be rotating jobs. But anyway, so horrible, horrible day, and
Speaker 1: this table these three kids just like, you know, very
Speaker 1: average table. They were fine, they got their food, they
Speaker 1: were nice. They left, and they left this little like
Speaker 1: pre printed punch out card that was just like hope, yeah,
Speaker 1: having a great day, you know, something positive written on.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember specifically what it was. It was
Speaker 1: like one of those like Dove chocolate wrappers messages, but
Speaker 1: it was a little punch out, little piece of card stock.
Speaker 1: And i'mlike almost started weeping, and I went out outside
Speaker 1: and I found them in the parking lot talking and
Speaker 1: I was holding back tears and I'm like, I've just
Speaker 1: been having a really awful day and that was just
Speaker 1: really nice, and that was a really nice gesture, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know that it made me
Speaker 1: feel good on a bad day. And one of the
Speaker 1: girls was like can I give you a hug? That's like, yes, please,
Speaker 1: And there's hugged the stranger of the parking lot. All right, thanks,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I got through that day and
Speaker 1: it was a whoof that was one of the tough ones.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it has been a week for us. We're dogs sitting.
Speaker 1: We got a new house guest, Lee Low. If anybody
Speaker 1: wants to foster or adopt an adorable seven year old
Speaker 1: gray pit bull with the sweetest heart in the world.
Speaker 1: But she's looking for a home. We're kind of halfway
Speaker 1: housing her.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's it. That's what we're doing right now. Halfway
Speaker 2: house for dogs. Yeah, not a bad gig, No.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. It's nice to have them for
Speaker 1: a little short spurts. So that's been our week. But
Speaker 1: there's a big whole world out there that also had
Speaker 1: a week that's so true, and we want to talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit today. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of stuff in the news recently
Speaker 2: about sex and marriage. Last well, guest Week and a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks sure, and some that y'all sent us.
Speaker 2: Some listeners sent us some headlines or tagged us, and
Speaker 2: some stories and we were like, well, dang, let's throw
Speaker 2: together some current copulation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's so nice to be thought about. It
Speaker 1: is when you're out there and you're just reading the
Speaker 1: news and you're like, I know, who needs to hear
Speaker 1: about this Elian.
Speaker 2: Diana a giant dildo in Mexico? Yeah, I know, I
Speaker 2: know who needs to know about it?
Speaker 1: The thoughts that make people think of us.
Speaker 2: I love to be associated with giant statues. But yeah,
Speaker 2: recently there's been some like ethics questions about AI sex robots.
Speaker 2: You know, we love talk about AI up in here.
Speaker 2: There's a mayor who married a reptile in Mexico. There
Speaker 2: were several pieces of legislation or like court cases that
Speaker 2: kind of caught our eye. There's some new stats on
Speaker 2: marriage in the US that people were talking about, just
Speaker 2: a lot of different things. So I say, let's just
Speaker 2: dive into this smorgage board of sex and marriage news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Hey, their French come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got
Speaker 2: some stories to tell. There's no match making a romantic.
Speaker 3: Tips, It's just about ridiculous relations shit, I love.
Speaker 2: There might be any type of person at all, and
Speaker 2: abstract concept on a concrete wall. But if there's a
Speaker 2: story worth a second glans ridiculous romance.
Speaker 1: A production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Well, recently there's been a bit of a spate of
Speaker 2: people throwing things at performers in concerts, like concerts like
Speaker 2: bottles and crazy, like maybe Rexo was like hitting the
Speaker 2: eye with a phone or something and got like a
Speaker 2: black eye.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna go on a rent.
Speaker 2: And now I'll start to say I.
Speaker 1: I'll stop, but just to say it makes the news,
Speaker 1: And then someone says I could do that, right, try
Speaker 1: to get the views and the clicks and the hits
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and it's awful.
Speaker 2: I did see someone be like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: in the you know, seventies and eighties, we were throwing
Speaker 2: shit at the CES two, and of course if you
Speaker 2: go all the way back to Shakespeare times, they were
Speaker 2: throwing shit. So it's like kind of an old behavior
Speaker 2: and not a new behavior.
Speaker 1: It's the other side of it, too, where the news
Speaker 1: reflects trends that already existed, but makes them seem like
Speaker 1: they're like, this month, we're going to report a lot
Speaker 1: on this thing that's happening as if it's new. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, in half of it is so that oh, well,
Speaker 2: hey boomers, what do you think about this? And like, oh,
Speaker 2: hey millennials, you know, so we can all argue with
Speaker 2: each other exactly. In fact, we're all the worst so
Speaker 2: and have been forever. But the reason we're bringing this
Speaker 2: up is because this time, at a Lil nas X
Speaker 2: concert in Stockholm, Sweden, someone threw a vagina shaped sex
Speaker 2: toy at Lil nas X and of course little Na's
Speaker 2: a humorous guy. It's in a great sense of humor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so apparently he just dodged it. And then he picked
Speaker 2: up and asked the crowd, quote, who threw their pussy
Speaker 2: on stage?
Speaker 1: What else can you say in that kind of situation? Also,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm promise I'm not speaking of experience here.
Speaker 1: I think those aren't cheap. No, right, So, like, who's
Speaker 1: throwing that up on stage? Like they can just give
Speaker 1: it away?
Speaker 2: Somebody had some good seats to the Montero tour and decide.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you've already got disposable income.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got questions though?
Speaker 1: Is it used?
Speaker 2: Is it new? Was it in the box?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Was it homemade? The box in the box?
Speaker 1: How would you homemake.
Speaker 2: Somebody his homemade? They're a little flashlight, you know.
Speaker 1: It's true. Three D printer in a silicone mold.
Speaker 2: Three D printer or pillow, uh huh?
Speaker 1: And a bottle of a bottle of corn syrup.
Speaker 2: Growth.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what people do. Why
Speaker 1: is it so sticky? Common question? Title your sex tape?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I might prefer that though to what I think is
Speaker 2: probably the most unusual thing thrown at a performer on
Speaker 2: the stage, which is when Pink got showered with somebody's
Speaker 2: mother's ashes no during her show what and the person
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, my mom is a big fan. It's like, look, man,
Speaker 2: oh that is insane to me to put some like
Speaker 2: human ashes on somebody. I just think that's crazy. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you would.
Speaker 1: Well and imagine these are ashes, right, but like it's
Speaker 1: a human body, and I'm just like, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I don't know too many horror movies. I'm just transposing
Speaker 1: that to other forms of the human Like if it
Speaker 1: was just dismembered body parts being thrown up at Pink
Speaker 1: on stage, I mean, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, is it really that different. This is just
Speaker 1: another chemical form of someone's corpse being thrown at you.
Speaker 2: It's very gross, really weird. And also like, if you're
Speaker 2: a fan, why would you want to disrespect her like
Speaker 2: this in the middle of her performance. I feel like
Speaker 2: your mom would be like stop it. Pink is trying
Speaker 2: to do some aerial and you need to leave up.
Speaker 2: It's alone.
Speaker 1: Also, it's not like that's some sort of permanent resting place,
Speaker 1: not really like your mom's gonna get showered off, mopped up,
Speaker 1: and like end up in the sewer somewhere. So I
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem.
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't feel respectful.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe mom was like all I care
Speaker 1: about is pink, and I just want to, even for
Speaker 1: a moment, be scattered over her dancing body.
Speaker 2: If but one particle of my ashes goes inside her
Speaker 2: eye or something, I'm forever part of pink.
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't know how I know. I do know
Speaker 1: how I feel about that, and it's terrible. I don't
Speaker 1: feel good about it at all.
Speaker 2: I don't know how. I have just got in touch
Speaker 2: with my feelings and I know exactly no.
Speaker 1: I was trying to pretend like I was waffling on
Speaker 1: that one. Also, I don't know if anyone's ever seen
Speaker 1: actual crematorium human ashes. It's not like the dust that
Speaker 1: you see in the coffee can at the end of
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski, where it's just like a powder that dissipates
Speaker 1: in the wind. It's like gravel. Like. Human ashes don't
Speaker 1: burn down to a fine dust. They burned down to
Speaker 1: like what you scoop out of the bottom of a fireplace,
Speaker 1: which is a mix of dust and like large particles
Speaker 1: of probably carbonized bone and things like that.
Speaker 2: Like, so you're telling me that she was pelted Yeah,
Speaker 2: with gravelly bits. Yeah, of someone's mother, definitely, if I were,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like Pink probably is like
Speaker 2: all right back on the road, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But for me, I'd be like, I need a minute.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Like I said, someone literally threw a
Speaker 1: corpse at you, you know by any other name. So sorry, Pink. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of death, I guess that's where we're starting this episode.
Speaker 1: This one little more direct dialysis patient died of a
Speaker 1: heart attack during sex, now specifically sex with one of
Speaker 1: the nurses that was treating him. This nurse first told
Speaker 1: the police in Wales after this guy died that she
Speaker 1: had no relationship with him, that he'd called her up
Speaker 1: to say he wasn't feeling well and she came out
Speaker 1: and just sat in his car with him for thirty
Speaker 1: or forty five minutes quote, just talking. But turned out
Speaker 1: that they were doing more than talking. It turned out
Speaker 1: they actually had an affair for a year together.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: They met while he was you know, getting dialysis, he
Speaker 1: was treating him. Yeah, and she was like, ooh, this
Speaker 1: guy's kidneys do not function. I gotta get me some
Speaker 1: of that. And they started doing it on the date.
Speaker 2: On the DL hope after all the red bull.
Speaker 1: I okay, I'll just say I'm literally terrified of dialysis.
Speaker 1: Like I don't do well with needles. I do not
Speaker 1: like it, get a little weak in the knees. I
Speaker 1: can handle it. I know some people straight up pass out,
Speaker 1: and I get it, but I can't like watch when
Speaker 1: they're doing it, and the idea of sitting there while they,
Speaker 1: you know, distract yourself if you don't want to hear this,
Speaker 1: but they like pull the blood out of your body,
Speaker 1: throw it through a giant machine that's basically an electronic kidney,
Speaker 1: and then pump it back into your body to do
Speaker 1: the job that your kidneys do. And I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do it. So I'm
Speaker 1: so terrified for my poor kidneys.
Speaker 2: I have a friend who had a terrible kidney disease,
Speaker 2: still does. She had to have two kidney transplants.
Speaker 1: She's like a spokesperson for this disease.
Speaker 2: Now right, I want to say, it's FSGS, Yeah, fsgs,
Speaker 2: f SGS and Yeah, her brother gave her his kidney
Speaker 2: and then like a year even not not long, it
Speaker 2: failed because it was too close of a match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the disease was like great.
Speaker 2: Geah, awesome, another one to pack and then she just
Speaker 2: got another one. Fortunately, she got very lucky and got
Speaker 2: another kidney and she's doing really well. But she was
Speaker 2: on dialysis eight hours a day. Oh, Like her whole
Speaker 2: job was to get her blood cleaned. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that was her life, and I was
Speaker 2: just like, I think that's what I would hate the
Speaker 2: most when I think about medical problems, or like, your
Speaker 2: entire existence is nothing but doctor's appointments, clean, you know,
Speaker 2: cleaning something out of your body, putting something in like whatever,
Speaker 2: just sitting sitting waiting constantly, like pain and being uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I would just I just can't imagine it.
Speaker 1: I do this all the time, and we all should.
Speaker 1: I am very grateful that my body works as well
Speaker 1: as it does. Yeah, and then I don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with those and I am certainly impressed with people
Speaker 1: who do. And you know whatever. We should be making
Speaker 1: everyone's lives as good as we possibly can. But I
Speaker 1: think we all could stand to be a little grateful
Speaker 1: for our bodies functioning. Oh yeah, because it's wild what
Speaker 1: some people have to go through just to live, right,
Speaker 1: So thanks body, keep it keep it going through, keep
Speaker 1: it going, because we'll all have some problems someday. Literally,
Speaker 1: all of.
Speaker 2: Us being able bodied is only temporary.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so anyway back to this story, because you
Speaker 1: know what, this guy died of a heart attack. They
Speaker 1: were having sex in his car. He's half naked, he's
Speaker 1: got his pants down around his ankles. And this guy died,
Speaker 1: and the nurse of course freaks out, but she decides,
Speaker 1: let me call my friend and coworker and see what
Speaker 1: I should do. And her friend is like, uh, hello,
Speaker 1: call nine nine nine because it's the UK. So there
Speaker 1: it's nine one one. Theirs is nine nine nine, which
Speaker 1: actually makes more sense. It's even easier to dial, right.
Speaker 2: I've heard actually that we did that on purpose so
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't accidentally call.
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering back when there were rotary phones, it's
Speaker 1: a lot harder at butt dial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but nine nine nine would take even longer because
Speaker 2: you'd have to go all the way around.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.
Speaker 2: Nine and then one one, nice and fast.
Speaker 1: And that's probably what it was. You heard it hear first, folks,
Speaker 1: you solved the mystery anyway. In England's nine nine nine,
Speaker 1: her friend is like, call nine nine nine and the
Speaker 1: nurse refused. She said no. So her friend is like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll be right there, and showed up and
Speaker 1: she called an ambulance herself, and obviously nothing could be done.
Speaker 1: So yeah, ambulance shows up, Obviously police show up, and
Speaker 1: she's got this whole other story about what had happened.
Speaker 1: We were just talking. He took his pants off. I guess, you.
Speaker 2: Know, he just took his pants off, just.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you're talking to people are just like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I just had a big lunch, so let
Speaker 1: me just unbutton and pull all the way down around
Speaker 1: my ankles. Her other nurse friend shows up and starts
Speaker 1: trying to CPR this guy, which I guess this nurse
Speaker 1: also didn't try, and uh yeah, it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: So she was taken off of work. She was she
Speaker 1: was struck off and she can no longer work as
Speaker 1: a nurse for having quote brought the nursing profession into disrepute,
Speaker 1: which is a very British way of saying you embarrassed us.
Speaker 2: All I mean, I guess I see why. I mean,
Speaker 2: isn't there you know, probably not do that.
Speaker 1: Probably not probably unethical to have a relationship with your patient,
Speaker 1: But I don't know is that true.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know it's not okay if
Speaker 2: you're a doctor, you know, a psychological doctor, you can't
Speaker 2: have a relationship with your patient. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's actually technically unethical. If you're just like, I'm
Speaker 2: seeing you for your heart and I think you're hot,
Speaker 2: let's go have dinner. I don't think anyone cares about that.
Speaker 2: But of course she's sneeking around, and then you know,
Speaker 2: denied him care essentially because of his own shit, So
Speaker 2: that would probably be more the problem.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. Have you ever had a hot doctor,
Speaker 1: hot doctor, or hot.
Speaker 2: Nurse or hot nurse? None come to mind. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's been some hot nurses though. Sure, But you know, again,
Speaker 2: knock on wood, very very lucky to not have to
Speaker 2: have cause to have many doctors or nurses.
Speaker 1: About oh yeah, because you never make doctor's appointments for yourself. Also,
Speaker 1: have not.
Speaker 2: Needed to go and get like many operations or anything.
Speaker 2: I did have a hot dentist. One time.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I had a hot dentist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hot dentists. Several of his texts were hot too,
Speaker 2: so maybe that's where the dental texts.
Speaker 1: Oh technicians, I thought you said texts like he was
Speaker 1: texting you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he sent me some hot texts.
Speaker 1: Did what text? His assistance text from my dentist?
Speaker 2: It says, are you flossy?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, no. We recently we both had the same
Speaker 1: dentist and she was hot.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: She's a little punk Rocke dentist, that's right, with a
Speaker 1: very Russian name, no accent, so probably spy. And now
Speaker 1: she knows all about it.
Speaker 2: She was like, oh, your teeth look terrible, Diana. You
Speaker 2: should really do something about that. Here's a plan over
Speaker 2: the next three years that will cost you twenty five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Also, do you know the nuclear coade?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say twenty five thousand dollars or
Speaker 1: the newcle and or no it's it's not or right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your insurance is great.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to pay this bill.
Speaker 1: What's great about dental insurance is that you it's it's
Speaker 1: only like you know twenty five to forty bucks a month, right,
Speaker 1: and then if something goes wrong with your teeth, you
Speaker 1: also pay for all that.
Speaker 2: Right. But to be fair, if you call them, they
Speaker 2: will laugh at you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, they say, haha, you're poor. You
Speaker 1: don't deserve good teeth.
Speaker 2: Having teeth was actually a pre existing condition.
Speaker 1: So so maybe think about that next time and don't
Speaker 1: have teeth. Good news for you.
Speaker 2: On your way, they're falling out one by one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you who's got great teeth? Oh cw actors, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's true. Like Smallville actress Alison Mack.
Speaker 2: Great segue, babe, you got us from one store to
Speaker 2: the other, just so we do it here, that's right. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: so the Smallville actress Alison Mack, who recruited women to
Speaker 2: the Nexium sex cult just got real secured and early
Speaker 2: release from prison because she helped build up a case
Speaker 2: against the cult leader, Keith Rainier.
Speaker 1: Who worked for Okay, IoT, you get you something right.
Speaker 2: He was the leader of this cult. And basically Alison
Speaker 2: Mack would go out and it's just like the Galline Maxwell.
Speaker 2: She was the trustworthy woman, was like, come and you know,
Speaker 2: join me and my friends in this group, and you
Speaker 2: know nothing crazy, All you have to do is some
Speaker 2: forced slave labor, post for nude photos, and perform sex
Speaker 2: acts with Keith Rainy.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, no problem. You're telling me that women can
Speaker 1: also be monsters.
Speaker 2: I am telling you, yeah. And I wouldn't be the
Speaker 2: first sure to say it. But yeah, she did help,
Speaker 2: I guess, build a case against Keith. He got one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty years in prison more I know, right,
Speaker 2: And she did say she was filled with guilt and
Speaker 2: remorse at her trial for her actions.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, this is a tough one.
Speaker 2: Man, because I feel like, you know, we don't love
Speaker 2: prison around here. We don'tant people to languish in prison
Speaker 2: if they have no reason and if there's supposed to
Speaker 2: be some rehabilitation. And surely she was also brainwashed, and
Speaker 2: there's some sympathy for her. But also she did some
Speaker 2: really fucked up shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, surely she knew that what she was doing was
Speaker 1: very very bad, right, ethical and legally and all these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she like enabled this crazy man and got a
Speaker 2: lot of people traumatized. He also had them branded, by
Speaker 2: the way, like he would brand them with his initials
Speaker 2: or something, or with annexium logo or something.
Speaker 1: You know, one of these things. Is she like, and
Speaker 1: I know they consider this too, Is she likely to
Speaker 1: do harm again? And probably not a she would have
Speaker 1: to like probably alter her identity, fool. Everybody is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna listen to anything you say. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take any of your recommendations. If you're
Speaker 1: like the trader Joe's on fifth is better than the
Speaker 1: one on twelfth, I'm gonna be like, you're trying to
Speaker 1: check me into a sex call, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: one on twelfth.
Speaker 2: You think she's like, hey, guys, I thought i'd have
Speaker 2: a little dinner party at my house. And everybody's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't say what it was. I really every night
Speaker 2: was coming up in the near futures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And on that point, I don't see her as
Speaker 1: a threat. So if she is willing to, you know,
Speaker 1: work with the system to get the guy who really
Speaker 1: is the threat out, then does that not get something
Speaker 1: for her? Or or do we just want vengeance? Do
Speaker 1: we just want to punish her?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I think punishment should be real,
Speaker 1: but also like, is it just to make us feel better?
Speaker 1: Or is it to make a better world, right, right?
Speaker 2: I mean, you make a good point. If you really
Speaker 2: put yourself in her shoes and think about her, I'd
Speaker 2: rather not. I mean I don't, but i'd try to
Speaker 2: think about these things where I'm like, I'm not even
Speaker 2: sympathetic to this person. I don't like them. But you know,
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about the movie from their perspective, she's
Speaker 2: probably thinking and they are too. I'm sure the lawyers
Speaker 2: in court and everything, of the years that have passed
Speaker 2: since this was discovered, the time she spent in prison,
Speaker 2: and of course the eye of the world being upon
Speaker 2: her and her name now is forever linked to this
Speaker 2: Hainau's crimes and this horrible, horrible cult and everything, and
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're probably like, well, yeah, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do? But go live quietly somewhere more than.
Speaker 1: Likely, I mean, you know, especially while meanwhile, we've got
Speaker 1: people who've done much more terrible things are out here
Speaker 1: being some of the wealthiest and freest people in the
Speaker 1: world and most powerful. Right, it is a little imbalance.
Speaker 1: But again, so I guess what I'm saying is thrower
Speaker 1: a parade. Let's give her whatever she wants hang on. No,
Speaker 1: it's just tricky with punishments. But anyway, I think the
Speaker 1: point is they got him, they got him.
Speaker 2: Good, they got him. Guys twenty years she was part
Speaker 2: of that. And to my point, I just saying she
Speaker 2: has had been she has been punished, right, she served
Speaker 2: some time, She's had to deal with a lot of
Speaker 2: anger and justified anger. Right, true hatred probably pointed her way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a good collection to start with a
Speaker 1: lot of death and uh.
Speaker 2: Right, is everyone still listening? Are we still having a fun?
Speaker 1: We're laughing, We're laughing. So let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: we'll reset, We'll come back with some more ridiculous romance
Speaker 1: stories right after this break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. All.
Speaker 1: I know we said things we're gonna start dark and
Speaker 1: get lighter. Well, I don't think we ever promised that.
Speaker 2: We never promised that the problem with sex and marriage
Speaker 2: in the news that it's usually.
Speaker 1: Not seriously bad. I think that's we've talked endlessly about
Speaker 1: this before too, but I think that's something we aim
Speaker 1: for on this show. Also, it's like a lot of
Speaker 1: these stories are pretty terrible because sometimes ridiculousness and especially sex,
Speaker 1: you know, don't go well for somebody. I think it's
Speaker 1: good to be able to address those seriously and in
Speaker 1: earnest and have some weight to it, and also like
Speaker 1: not get sunk down into misery and be able to
Speaker 1: kind of laugh at some of the surrounding stuff about
Speaker 1: the world while still respecting the nightmares that people are
Speaker 1: going through. Yeah, so let's see line it is, so
Speaker 1: let's see if we can laugh at this one stopping laughter.
Speaker 1: In Japan, a student sued her teacher. She accused him
Speaker 1: of using his position of authority to groom her into
Speaker 1: a relationship because they were apparently together for ten years,
Speaker 1: they took like trips together, definitely an inappropriate student teacher relationship,
Speaker 1: and she says that the first time they ever dine
Speaker 1: anything sexual, she felt forced. Now he claimed, now this
Speaker 1: is totally consensual. Sure, I think that there's plenty to
Speaker 1: say about what a teenager can consent to with a
Speaker 1: grown ass adult.
Speaker 2: Right right, And keep in mind also culturally the difference
Speaker 2: in Japan that has paid an elder that a woman
Speaker 2: pays to a man. It's a little bit different than
Speaker 2: a student teacher relationship even here, which it would still
Speaker 2: be inappropriate. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I'm just thinking
Speaker 2: about it because I'm like, oh, ten years, Okay, at
Speaker 2: some point you decided, but you know, I do want
Speaker 2: to put that extra layer there, that there is a
Speaker 2: little bit more weight on that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: For sure. And that sort of explains why she stayed
Speaker 1: with him for so long, because she said that she
Speaker 1: kept seeing him because she was so grateful to him
Speaker 1: for the treatment she got, the sort of probably status,
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit opportunities for her, you know, yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 2: lots of ways he could make himself useful to keep
Speaker 2: her by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she felt like it was rude to refuse him,
Speaker 1: which is again a lot and very much sort of
Speaker 1: a grooming situation where an adult takes a teenager who
Speaker 1: don't know no better and says, I'm helping you, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's respectful for you to pay me back
Speaker 1: in some respect, right. So she knew that this lawsuit
Speaker 1: against him was probably not going to succeed, and she
Speaker 1: didn't even really feel like a victim of sexual harassment
Speaker 1: because she didn't have bruises or injuries, which is also
Speaker 1: something that happens a lot. People who were abused think, well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't because I wasn't you know, smacked around, Yeah, or.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't have to be restrained physically to have
Speaker 2: sex with this person. I mean we, you know, we're
Speaker 2: having that conversation for the past few years about what's coercion,
Speaker 2: enthusiastic consent, Yeah, stuff like that, And I guess this
Speaker 2: article is kind of pointing out that they're not really
Speaker 2: having that conversation in Japan as much so. Sexual harassment
Speaker 2: and assault is still very much like, Oh, a guy
Speaker 2: burst into your house and threatened you at gunpoint and
Speaker 2: tied you up, and you know, it has to be
Speaker 2: something very violent before it is considered to be a
Speaker 2: traumatizing event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 2: But here's the twist.
Speaker 1: Apparently the professor's own wife turned around and sued the
Speaker 1: girl for damages. She said, oh, your your relationship violated
Speaker 1: marital civil code and that it was up to the
Speaker 1: girl to end this relationship. She could have done so
Speaker 1: at any time.
Speaker 2: I hate this.
Speaker 1: It's because Japan's civil code counts marital infidelity as a
Speaker 1: breach of contract. So she says, you broke the contract
Speaker 1: between my husband and I, So why wouldn't.
Speaker 2: It be the husband's fault. That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 2: She should be suing his ass.
Speaker 1: Okay, but guess what. The wife won twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in damages according to New York Times.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I guess it was just like she's shaken a
Speaker 1: rolling pin and she's like, you cheated on me, but
Speaker 1: at least we'll make some money.
Speaker 2: Off of it. Look in my defense, my defense would
Speaker 2: be I didn't make no contract with this bitch at all. Right,
Speaker 2: she made a contract with her husband that he broke,
Speaker 2: so y'all need to work that out. I have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with that promise. I didn't promise you nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it sort of balanced out because the
Speaker 1: student did win some minor damages, so she was able
Speaker 1: to pay it off like that. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's just balanced.
Speaker 2: That's so weird that the husband's like, here's my money,
Speaker 2: and she's like, okay, thanks, I'm gonna go give it
Speaker 2: to your wife.
Speaker 1: To give it your wife out point of any of
Speaker 1: this total dog and pony.
Speaker 2: Show money rigamarole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the girl said in an interview quote, I understand
Speaker 1: that I was wait naive, and I still hate myself
Speaker 1: for it. There's so many times I could have said
Speaker 1: no and run away. Where again she's sort of blaming
Speaker 1: herself here for this guy, you know, getting inside her
Speaker 1: brain and making her think that she owes him something.
Speaker 1: She literally said that, right, I mean, yes, we all
Speaker 1: have responsibility for our actions. And yes, like you said,
Speaker 1: ten years in like, there was a point at when
Speaker 1: she were grown up enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not sure it wasn't a daily thing
Speaker 2: or something. But you know, we look at that should
Speaker 2: have been a point.
Speaker 1: Lived their whole lives in cults, and then in their
Speaker 1: sixties or later, they're like, what was I How was
Speaker 1: I so crazy to think all this for so long?
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily have as much control over your own
Speaker 1: thoughts as you think you do all the time, Like,
Speaker 1: especially when people are really good, right at manipulating that
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they find a way to get in with you
Speaker 2: whatever insecurity or whatever opening, right, and then they lead
Speaker 2: you along just long enough that when they start to
Speaker 2: suggest things that you should immediately say no to you
Speaker 2: for some reason, say yes, like, I mean, we've you know,
Speaker 2: we've all had a friend who made us do something.
Speaker 2: They know, like oh, in the.
Speaker 3: Cold light of day, It all seemed like a very
Speaker 3: obvious thing not to do, but at the time it
Speaker 3: made all of sense.
Speaker 1: I just unprompted our friends. Y'all know, Cherry and Jason
Speaker 1: are moving, and I don't know how they got into
Speaker 1: my head, but I just messaged them today and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys need some.
Speaker 2: Help out of nowhere?
Speaker 1: How the hell did that happen?
Speaker 2: And he goes, do you all need help packing? We'll
Speaker 2: be there, We will be there.
Speaker 1: Did I say that's fair? I totally volunteered you as well.
Speaker 2: I did not say, here's.
Speaker 3: The thing, I'm being forced by my husband.
Speaker 2: Well, friends moved.
Speaker 1: We're all manipulating each other here. I don't know how
Speaker 1: they got helped to pack. Yeah, no, that's the truth.
Speaker 1: When we move, we're gonna want that out over anyway.
Speaker 1: Psychological manipulation. It happens to us all, It happens to
Speaker 1: us all. Well.
Speaker 2: There was another case tried this year in Japan where
Speaker 2: another student accused her professor of repeatedly like inappropriately touching
Speaker 2: her and saying sexual things to her, like that he
Speaker 2: thought about her naked, or I'm gonna make you my
Speaker 2: woman after you graduate my woman.
Speaker 1: Wow. Gross.
Speaker 2: She also was complaining that she had went to the
Speaker 2: university to kind of be like, hey, this professor's saying
Speaker 2: some gross things to me, and she was told, quote,
Speaker 2: sexual harassment is something more serious, and that she had
Speaker 2: quote let her guard down.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So they kind of dismissed her complaints and did nothing
Speaker 2: to the professor. And she was like, if they had
Speaker 2: just kind of been a little more empathetic and listened
Speaker 2: to me, it would have lessened my suffering that I
Speaker 2: was going through. But they, you know, she was just
Speaker 2: getting it from all sides basically. So she actually won
Speaker 2: her case, but the court said, quote, there was no
Speaker 2: evidence to recognize such behavior cross a socially acceptable line.
Speaker 1: What I mean, one, this is what I don't.
Speaker 2: Understand that either, because she won the case, but they
Speaker 2: said the behavior wasn't bad at it.
Speaker 1: It was just like, yeah, yeah, fine, here's some money,
Speaker 1: but nothing bad really happened here.
Speaker 2: I know, don't. I don't really understand that decision, but
Speaker 2: I think it just kind of highlights like, oh, we're again.
Speaker 2: You're not slapped around, there's no bruises, you're not like
Speaker 2: shaking in a corner, so you're probably fine, and you
Speaker 2: were just a little annoyed. So what's the big deal?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just reminds me. I mean, you know, right here,
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of the same problems in schools. My
Speaker 1: high school girlfriend, my first like serious girlfriend. I learned
Speaker 1: from her. We completed we went to this We had
Speaker 1: gone to the same middle school in different years, and
Speaker 1: it's an awful middle school, like just rotten place full
Speaker 1: of rotten people. And she went to the administration to
Speaker 1: complain about how other students were treating the other boys.
Speaker 1: And definitely it was the first time I learned that
Speaker 1: had been will tell you, Oh, well, boys will be boys.
Speaker 1: That's literally what she heard. And I was like, what wait,
Speaker 1: what's that's normal? And you just need to deal with it.
Speaker 1: That was so crazy to me, And it just reminds
Speaker 1: me this here.
Speaker 2: That's insane because boys will be boys is a very
Speaker 2: common phrase to hear or like I hated it as
Speaker 2: a kid. This boy keeps bothering me, poke me or
Speaker 2: I'll pull my hair. You know, he's always bothering me
Speaker 2: saying something. Oh, that just means he likes you, so
Speaker 2: he thinks you're cute. He's trying to flirt and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that's not flirting. Why should I be feel privileged by
Speaker 2: that behavior or flattered by being annoyed and my personal
Speaker 2: space being violated that why are you trying to teach
Speaker 2: me that? That's like how boys flirt? Can we not
Speaker 2: teach boys a better way of flirting? Because it used
Speaker 2: to be like, let me do little services for you,
Speaker 2: or buy you a gift, can you a flower, give
Speaker 2: you accomplished, show up.
Speaker 1: At your house every day with another piece of emerald jewelry.
Speaker 2: Now I just poke in hard to class.
Speaker 1: He shoved me down and kicked three of my teeth out,
Speaker 1: and they're like, ooh k I S.
Speaker 2: S I, and you're wedding well.
Speaker 1: Truly insane behavior. I'm I'm very glad. I feel like
Speaker 1: I became a better person by being way too terrified
Speaker 1: to approach girls that I liked in middle school, probably
Speaker 1: because and to me, boys will be boys was the
Speaker 1: stuff me and my boys were doing, which was like
Speaker 1: seeing how many seconds it took for an egg to
Speaker 1: explode in the microwave, balancing the egg on top of
Speaker 1: a Bbie gun and shooting it straight up in the
Speaker 1: air and watching the egg explode, or various ways of
Speaker 1: making eggs explode was pretty much most of our.
Speaker 2: Days was really fixated on this egg thing.
Speaker 1: Well, it got us out doors. Otherwise those video games.
Speaker 2: Boys can't do that.
Speaker 1: I know, eggs were cheap back then, we're cheap in
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, man, we really destroyed a lot of eggs.
Speaker 1: Really contried it into the problem, starting well, boys will
Speaker 1: be boys.
Speaker 2: What do you want for me? Boys will be boys.
Speaker 1: Let's get out of this.
Speaker 2: I know, well we will. I will say, just to
Speaker 2: wrap up these this Japan, these Japan stories that in
Speaker 2: both cases the teachers were fired, so they that was
Speaker 2: at least one punishment they both received with that, Hey,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be around other students, right, which is a
Speaker 2: good thing. And you know, and probably both of the
Speaker 2: women and the stories were like, that's my ultimate goal.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: There's not Yeah, there's not many. I don't think there's
Speaker 2: even many people who are like I want him torn
Speaker 2: down to shreds, put into a dark cell forever and
Speaker 2: no one ever sees his face again until he looks
Speaker 2: like one of the cave creatures from the Descent, Like, wow,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's so many people who want.
Speaker 1: I feel like you've thought this before. That was real quick.
Speaker 2: I have thought it about some people. But I think
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's just like, hey, I just
Speaker 2: want this person to be stripped of the authority that
Speaker 2: that gave them the power over me, that made it
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for me. I just don't want them to have
Speaker 2: that anymore. And they don't have that, Okay, now they
Speaker 2: can move on and do whatever.
Speaker 1: I think that's there. It is again of that difference
Speaker 1: between vengeance and harm reduction.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: We emotionally want to watch these bad people suffer, but
Speaker 1: if we remove them from their teaching position, they have
Speaker 1: a they have less of an opportunity to do that
Speaker 1: kind of behavior again and be hopefully other people see
Speaker 1: that and think twice before they behave like that, thinking well,
Speaker 1: you know, I might lose my job if I do right.
Speaker 1: I think those are the goals you're trying to achieve.
Speaker 2: Or I might not be able to get this job
Speaker 2: anywhere else if I lose it here, which is the
Speaker 2: other goal. I think the problem is that they get
Speaker 2: fired and then they just get hired somewhere else, so
Speaker 2: you're like, well that's not enough. Then that's when you
Speaker 2: start to get I guess I need to tear him
Speaker 2: down to the little nothings so that he will never
Speaker 2: be hired by anyone like ever again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like a dissent creature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a descent creature.
Speaker 1: Now. That was part of the problem with the priests, right,
Speaker 1: It was like, I can't believe that you did that
Speaker 1: to those boys. We're gonna, oh, we've had it up
Speaker 1: to here with you. We are definitely transferring you to
Speaker 1: a different church.
Speaker 2: You're like, wait, wait where no one knows about you? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and nacan you can be trusted all anew again by
Speaker 2: a whole pile of new people. Horrible.
Speaker 1: Can we get out of this sexual harassment stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about consent.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about consent, but at least for robots. So
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break and decide when we come
Speaker 1: back from this. So we'll take a quick break and
Speaker 1: decide when we come back right here today, we will
Speaker 1: determine whether or not robots deserve consent themselves.
Speaker 2: Unlucky you, that's what we're here for. And welcome back.
Speaker 1: All right. So we have talked ad nauseum on this
Speaker 1: show at length and across many episodes about the future
Speaker 1: of sex and technology. Right, AI chat bots doing whatever
Speaker 1: you want to do to you in the virtual setting,
Speaker 1: text setting. I guess if that's your thing, we're talking
Speaker 1: of holograms, we're talking sex bots and hyperrealistic sex dolls,
Speaker 1: of which there are more than fifty six thousand sold
Speaker 1: every year, and ninety five percent of those sex dolls
Speaker 1: are presented as female.
Speaker 2: Right, Right, Not too many male sex dolls going out
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 1: Not a lot. I guess one could argue, and I
Speaker 1: don't have the stats to back this up, that if
Speaker 1: you want a male bodied person to have sex with you,
Speaker 1: it's easier to just go get one who's willing, like
Speaker 1: an actual human sex doll.
Speaker 2: A human sex doll, that's what I that's what we're
Speaker 2: looking for.
Speaker 1: But obviously, as these things get more advanced, as AI
Speaker 1: is starting to come closer to simulating consciousness, certainly not
Speaker 1: anywhere near actually recreating it, but sort of tricking you
Speaker 1: into thinking it's there, the question becomes like, should these
Speaker 1: things become sophisticated enough to require consent from their users,
Speaker 1: Like if you have an active sex doll that has
Speaker 1: a real voice and responds to you in real time
Speaker 1: as if they're having a real conversation with you. Can
Speaker 1: it say no? Should it be able to right? Should
Speaker 1: it have to say yes? There's kind of part of
Speaker 1: me is like black and white. No, it's not a
Speaker 1: conscious being. You can't harm it. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you would program it to be able to be harmed
Speaker 1: or be traumatized. That's super weird.
Speaker 2: That's where it gets real gross, right, because that's where
Speaker 2: you want it to feel badly, Yes, right, like West
Speaker 2: World style.
Speaker 1: But the argument is that pornography does have an effect
Speaker 1: on our brains and how we sort of engage with
Speaker 1: the real world around us. It changes our chemistry, it
Speaker 1: changes how we engage with sex, and the physical and
Speaker 1: visual components to a sex doll make them have an
Speaker 1: even stronger impact. So if you have a sex doll
Speaker 1: that you can be violent with and it's normal for
Speaker 1: you to force yourself onto it or whatever, does that
Speaker 1: maybe teach your brain on a subconscious level where you're
Speaker 1: not even aware of it, really to behave more like
Speaker 1: that in the real world or to be more okay
Speaker 1: with it. Does it sort of desensitize you? Right?
Speaker 2: Or even like maybe that gets tied in with arousal
Speaker 2: for you so you can't get to like that's what
Speaker 2: sex is supposed to feel like, look like, or be like.
Speaker 2: So anything else is not like how.
Speaker 1: We often would have just randomly would have the radio on,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, every time we would do it,
Speaker 1: Jimmy World was playing, and now I can't get it
Speaker 1: on without the middle blasting at full volume.
Speaker 2: You heard it here first, guess I know it's tough.
Speaker 2: You put the middle on.
Speaker 1: You put the middle on. I'm not saying something's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm just saying something can't happen without without
Speaker 1: the middle on. Okay, yeah, okay, it just takes some time.
Speaker 1: But neither here nor even.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the ry. Yeah, so yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that is the argument, right, is that pornography just visually
Speaker 2: has enough of an effect on our brain chemistry that
Speaker 2: people are worried that with the additional physical component, it'll
Speaker 2: really get in the neurons and make all the wrong
Speaker 2: connections happen in your brain. Of course, the argument against
Speaker 2: is your argument that it's not a it doesn't have emotions,
Speaker 2: it doesn't have true consciousness, It cannot feel pain or
Speaker 2: shame or any of those things. The article, by the way,
Speaker 2: is from decrypt dot Co. It's called do AI sex
Speaker 2: robots require consent?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: And there's a sex doll maker in the article who
Speaker 2: says that it would be akin to asking a banana's
Speaker 2: permission to eat it.
Speaker 1: Okay? All right?
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a lot of conversation back and
Speaker 2: forth about whether and isn't this the thing with AI period?
Speaker 2: What is consciousness? At what point does it cross the
Speaker 2: line to being too much like a human being?
Speaker 1: Even because again, we're so far off from we can't
Speaker 1: synthesize broccoli in a lab. We are so far from
Speaker 1: being able to synthesize something as complicated as human consciousness.
Speaker 2: So we don't even understand it in ourselves exactly.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. But when it becomes indiscernible, even
Speaker 1: though it's not really consciousness, the algorithms are so advanced
Speaker 1: that your brain is fooled into thinking it is. It's
Speaker 1: designed to fool you. So does it still have that
Speaker 1: impact on your brain? And I think this goes right
Speaker 1: back to the violent video games conversation. Right to me,
Speaker 1: I grew up with absolutely heinous video games. Not at home.
Speaker 1: My parents were actually aggressively against violent toys, violent video games,
Speaker 1: stuff like that, And I think that's totally fine that
Speaker 1: they were. They were fine with me playing whatever games
Speaker 1: at my friend's house if that's what we wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and any number of eggs.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thanks one the least of it. You know,
Speaker 1: we were playing Duke Nukeam and Blood and counter Strike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Doom wasn't really my thing, but it's definitely around, you know,
Speaker 1: very violent first person shooters stuff like that. I love
Speaker 1: the Grand Theft Autos. I'm a total pacifist, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't have violent streaks, really, I don't think at all.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's because I was well aware of
Speaker 1: the difference between fantasy and reality and those two parts
Speaker 1: of my brain did not have an overlap. But for
Speaker 1: some people, I think it does make them more. It
Speaker 1: normalizes that violence, and you kind of sort of try
Speaker 1: to fantasize that your life is more like the life
Speaker 1: of the game. So I wonder if that's sort of
Speaker 1: similar here. I think some people are going to be
Speaker 1: totally unaffected by it, right, and some people might take
Speaker 1: some of that with them into their real world experiences.
Speaker 1: And so is that a danger enough that it's like okay, Well,
Speaker 1: then everybody has to let it go. Sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you don't.
Speaker 1: Have even if you're not that you know, you'll live
Speaker 1: without it, but some people won't live with it, so right,
Speaker 1: you gotta be okay letting it go.
Speaker 2: Well, and we have already talked in a previous episode
Speaker 2: about this, but there you know, we have talked about replicas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course our old friend replica a replica, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it was some people who started a replica companion solely
Speaker 2: to abuse it. They just wanted to verbally abuse it
Speaker 2: or manipulate it and just see what they could do
Speaker 2: just for kicks, you know. And then some users said
Speaker 2: that they started to be verbally abused and manipulated by
Speaker 2: their replica. Right, so there was a similar argument you
Speaker 2: know about that does it teach people to abuse or
Speaker 2: are people are abusers using it because it's an unfeeling
Speaker 2: entity that they can't really hurt, so they can get
Speaker 2: out that impulse on something that doesn't matter, and then
Speaker 2: they can go out and be a normal citizen.
Speaker 1: It's otherwise getting frustrated and going to the gym and
Speaker 1: hitting the punching bag a few times. Yeah I feel better, Yeah, exactly, right,
Speaker 1: there's there's an argument there for sure, but also like
Speaker 1: do you need to get raping someone out of your
Speaker 1: system or is that something that needs to be solved
Speaker 1: in a different way. It feels well, now that I
Speaker 1: forced myself on a sex doll, I feel better and
Speaker 1: I don't feel compelled to do it to a human
Speaker 1: being anymore like that. No, this is a therapy situation,
Speaker 1: not to get it out of your system situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think so. I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: just it's very strange. Yeah, you know, you see that
Speaker 2: too with some men that feel like there's there's women
Speaker 2: who are privileged in my eyes, that are worthy of
Speaker 2: their mothers and their wives, and they're that type of
Speaker 2: woman and whatever they're behaving or however they look, or
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they require for that woman and
Speaker 2: every other woman, I can do whatever I want with,
Speaker 2: you know. Like that's how men feel about prostitutes a
Speaker 2: lot of the time, right, is that they're like that's
Speaker 2: why some killers will go after prostitutes because the law
Speaker 2: doesn't particularly care. They might not have a lot of
Speaker 2: family at their disposal to give a fuck either, and
Speaker 2: society looks down on.
Speaker 1: A prostatute you don't count the same way.
Speaker 2: So they're like you, I can violate you, I can
Speaker 2: harm you. It's okay, I got that out of my
Speaker 2: system with a low value person, so now I'm able
Speaker 2: to just go be nice to my wife. Like that's
Speaker 2: not an unusual story, sadly, So it's like, do I
Speaker 2: not prefer it? It's happened to adult then a real
Speaker 2: life person does Is that really an impulse that is
Speaker 2: it really helping? I guess? Or does it not keep
Speaker 2: that impulse going? Because it's not like you do it
Speaker 2: one time and then you're like done forever. You surely
Speaker 2: have to do it again and again, because an impulse
Speaker 2: that's in your body like that doesn't just get exercised.
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean when I say this is something,
Speaker 1: this is a deeper issue to be resolved, Like you
Speaker 1: should not I don't care. You should not feel compelled
Speaker 1: to assault another person, right like in any way that
Speaker 1: should not be your like natural inclination that you just
Speaker 1: got to get out to feel back to normal again.
Speaker 1: Like something is going on there that needs to be
Speaker 1: addressed and treated.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, and you know, if you do and you don't
Speaker 1: act on it, I'm not saying like, lock everybody up
Speaker 1: who's ever had an illegal thought in their mind. But
Speaker 1: I think that's the real thing. Can you just be like, boy,
Speaker 1: I really feel like a you know whatever kind of
Speaker 1: horrible person. But take a breath and I won't do it.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, live your life great. But if I think
Speaker 1: if it gets the point where like I've got to
Speaker 1: get it out, so you better give me something synthetic
Speaker 1: or I'm to do it to someone real, that argument
Speaker 1: doesn't hold up for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think if you're a person who's like,
Speaker 2: got yeah, your boss's face on the dart board right
Speaker 2: and you're throwing darts, that doesn't really constitute a threat
Speaker 2: against your boss. No, nobody would take it to jail
Speaker 2: for that. No, they'd be like, that's you just getting
Speaker 2: out frustration. You don't really want to throw a dart
Speaker 2: at your boss's face, not really, Like if you you know,
Speaker 2: you might be like, ah, yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I would run out.
Speaker 2: But if you really thought about it and you're like
Speaker 2: it went through his eye and there's blood everywhere, like
Speaker 2: you're probably like, oh, I don't want to do that,
Speaker 2: Like I'm.
Speaker 1: Not doing this because I want to put a dart
Speaker 1: in my boss's face, like I would say that I do, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and I like it only makes me so mad.
Speaker 1: But if I was in a in space alone with
Speaker 1: my boss and a dart and he was tied to
Speaker 1: a chair, right, I'm not going to stab him in
Speaker 1: the face with a dart, you know, Like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: actually do it.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty doubtful.
Speaker 1: Consequence free, I would still not probably enact that kind
Speaker 1: of harm on someone, I'll say, you know what, I'll say, definitely.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, can I ask if somebody if
Speaker 2: you were at a shooting range, okay, and somebody's little
Speaker 2: silhouette that they were hitting was your picture? Yeah, how
Speaker 2: would that make you feel? I think I would feel threatened?
Speaker 2: Yeah by that. I don't know that if I walked
Speaker 2: into a dartboard it would I'd be like, damn, people
Speaker 2: hate me. I should really think about herself.
Speaker 1: But that's a huge difference.
Speaker 2: It is different. I know it is, but but I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking it through, like what where is the line?
Speaker 2: I guess where's the threat come in that he feels
Speaker 2: more real?
Speaker 1: That question comes up a lot, like where's the line?
Speaker 1: And often I'm like, there's a big fat bold line, right,
Speaker 1: because the difference between if I walk in a room,
Speaker 1: my face is on a dartboard. Yes, just what you said.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Wow, what am I doing that people don't
Speaker 1: like me this much? If I walk in and I'm
Speaker 1: in a mannequin in a shooting range, or I'm the
Speaker 1: visual representation of this sex doll that's getting sexually abused,
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, this person wants to do me harm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is not some like get out your frustrations thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to me, there's the line right there, and can
Speaker 1: you give me different examples, I'll tell you which side
Speaker 1: of the line it's on.
Speaker 2: It might be a darts is a game, so it's
Speaker 2: immediately more lighthearted, whereas if you're at a shooting range,
Speaker 2: you're trying to learn how to effectively use a weapon,
Speaker 2: and darts are not a weapon but a game. So
Speaker 2: it's probably just the environment and the use of the
Speaker 2: thing that they do, you know. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's so many little nuances that turn it into a threat,
Speaker 2: but at any rate, it was just something I was
Speaker 2: thinking about while we sat here talking. Oh for sure,
Speaker 2: I would not like that. I would definitely call it
Speaker 2: be like m is there anything I can do about
Speaker 2: this person that's using my picture at the shooting range?
Speaker 1: Please? A little bit more on this. There's a Vox
Speaker 1: article about sex doll brothels and legal sex work. Then
Speaker 1: they interviewed a legal sex worker in Nevada, where sex
Speaker 1: work is legal in most counties, and she said that
Speaker 1: sex doll brothels would be bad for human sex work because,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, here's another example of automation taking jobs away.
Speaker 1: But also they might teach clients that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: normal for there to be no limits on what you
Speaker 1: do with a sex partner. So then you know you
Speaker 1: are used to going to a doll smacking her around
Speaker 1: doing whatever you want. You shouldn't say, her smacking it around,
Speaker 1: And then you go to a real person and your
Speaker 1: brain is in the same headspace right right, and it
Speaker 1: wants to do the same things.
Speaker 2: Or their limitations feel like a punishment now because you're
Speaker 2: sure you know you're allowed to do that the last time.
Speaker 2: Why do I have to be careful about something now?
Speaker 1: The old my teacher usually lets me do this. The
Speaker 1: substitute is like, well, your normal teacher is a robot
Speaker 1: and I'm a real human but you don't have.
Speaker 2: To worry too much about automation taking the jobs away from,
Speaker 2: okay from real life sex workers. Because in this article
Speaker 2: there's a sex doll maker company called Aura, and then
Speaker 2: the sex worker that we're talking about, her name is Alyssa.
Speaker 2: They both agree that sex dolls will not replace the
Speaker 2: real thing for a long time to come. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure come. Alyssa points out in the article that
Speaker 2: a lot of her clients just want to cuddle and talk.
Speaker 2: They don't really not really come into her for sexual
Speaker 2: pleasure necessarily. She says, it's more about the emotional connection,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what AI sex dolls cannot offer, or
Speaker 2: rather that is what sex dolls can't offer. AI sex dolls,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, would technically they're trying to make them,
Speaker 2: I guess, emotionally intelligent enough to fill that role. But
Speaker 2: right now they're just dolls, and so you know, they're
Speaker 2: they're very much there for one purpose and they can't
Speaker 2: fulfill this other purpose that a lot of sex workers
Speaker 2: are filling for their clients. And of course, the sex
Speaker 2: doll company said it's the oldest profession in the world.
Speaker 2: No need to be worried about it, it's gonna, it's going.
Speaker 2: It's God's staying power.
Speaker 1: I do think that's true.
Speaker 2: So that's that is a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and sex.
Speaker 2: Work is more than just the sex part. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, this is very true of a lot.
Speaker 2: Of building relationships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that component is very true
Speaker 1: of a lot of the AI job fears. I've been
Speaker 1: playing around with the AI what they call AI art,
Speaker 1: and I promise you it's not right because I think
Speaker 1: it's a very cool toy and there's some neat stuff
Speaker 1: you can do with it. Visually, you can create some
Speaker 1: really cool looking things, and those are strictly for your eyeballs, right,
Speaker 1: Like you get one sense from those images, and it's visual.
Speaker 1: Whereas a human artist who's got, you know, a whole
Speaker 1: lifetime in their hearts and minds, right, creating a piece
Speaker 1: of art with intention, with purpose, with effort, with meaning,
Speaker 1: with all these things, like, that's something that can't be
Speaker 1: replicated by a machine. And I don't even mean that
Speaker 1: a in some kind of emotional way. I mean that
Speaker 1: quite literally. There's an objective thing, like a literal, tangible
Speaker 1: thing that an AI can't have that a human can have.
Speaker 1: No matter how advanced it gets at replicating, you know,
Speaker 1: human artwork or even surpassing it. To me, it's like
Speaker 1: junk food, right. It tastes delicious and it's fine in
Speaker 1: a pinch, and you've made it quickly, but it's not
Speaker 1: a prepared meal. It's not that nourishment. It's not really
Speaker 1: that good for you, and it's not going to make
Speaker 1: you feel full in the same way that like a
Speaker 1: delicious chef could you know, well trained meal is so
Speaker 1: probably very true for a lot of AI replacements. There
Speaker 1: is something no matter how advanced and how much trickery
Speaker 1: they can put into an AI sex doll, there's something
Speaker 1: there's a lifetime of experience that it won't be able
Speaker 1: to draw from that a human person would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably well and it's been interesting for you
Speaker 2: to play with it because it's so much about how
Speaker 2: to talk to the AI, like, which is everything with computers, right,
Speaker 2: It's like, how what's your language? It's zeros and ones.
Speaker 2: Whatever I have to I have to tell you very
Speaker 2: in a very specific way what I'm looking for, and
Speaker 2: it's not that easy to do, as you've shown me,
Speaker 2: like you have to like, oh, you have to fix
Speaker 2: the prompt with these number of other prompts and number
Speaker 2: of other boundaries that you have to give it so
Speaker 2: you can sort of corral it to where you want
Speaker 2: it to go, and it gives you sort of an
Speaker 2: idea of what you were sort of going for, and
Speaker 2: you keep refining. So I've been thinking a lot about MySpace.
Speaker 2: It was a time when everyone was learning to code HTM,
Speaker 2: right sure, and so you were learning how to talk
Speaker 2: to the computer, and you didn't need, you know, a
Speaker 2: fancy I person to make your little your shit for you.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, some people's pages were more aesthetically
Speaker 2: pleasing than others, right So, and then also like even
Speaker 2: if you know how to make a website, sometimes you
Speaker 2: still need a designer to come in with an artist
Speaker 2: and say this is how it should be laid out,
Speaker 2: or this is how It's not enough to just talk
Speaker 2: to it. You have to also have the artistic eye
Speaker 2: and the esthetic I you know what I'm saying, to
Speaker 2: make something beautiful, right that stuff. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: like it feels to me like, Okay, a lot of
Speaker 2: people are going to learn how to talk to this
Speaker 2: AI and make images, and that's kind of scary for artists.
Speaker 2: And it's definitely annoying that they're being taught on copyrighted
Speaker 2: stuff and all that stuff is super unethical. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, I think at some point the people who
Speaker 2: want to talk to computers and figure out how to
Speaker 2: talk to the computer, they're going to run out of
Speaker 2: ideas to get They're not artists, right at some point,
Speaker 2: I know it's still already stupid boobs and weird, dumb,
Speaker 2: porny looking pictures and stuff, and it's like, well, you
Speaker 2: just that's because you're not an artist. And artists also
Speaker 2: is not just about the painting. It's about idating the
Speaker 2: fucking painting in the first place, seeing the angel in
Speaker 2: the marble. Like if you can't see the angel in
Speaker 2: the marble, then you're not Michaelangelo, you know. Like so anyway,
Speaker 2: I think there's there's probably some course correction that will
Speaker 2: happen naturally.
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people that are
Speaker 1: tooling around with it now are going to get bored
Speaker 1: with it, you know, because they are just like they're
Speaker 1: they're imaginations are and I don't mean this as a dig,
Speaker 1: but like they're they're more limited, right, Like they're they
Speaker 1: don't spend their lives thinking of creative concepts. They spend
Speaker 1: their lives thinking of you know, whatever it is they do.
Speaker 1: They might be programmers or or just you know, plumbers
Speaker 1: or I don't know, but they're not prone. They have
Speaker 1: not practiced developing creative ideas. So at a certain point
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I've done the stuff I can think of,
Speaker 1: or I've imitated the stuff that I've seen so many times,
Speaker 1: and like, Okay, it's getting better, it's easier to do,
Speaker 1: it's faster, it's crisper, it's cleaner, whatever. But like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I've been playing with us for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, and I think I'm bored with it. I
Speaker 1: think that's what will happen. I am.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see it plays out for sure, But
Speaker 2: that's that's my feeling at this time, is that I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's everyone has different things to offer. Artists have something,
Speaker 2: very creative people have something to offer, and you cannot
Speaker 2: replace it with a machine, and even a sophisticated one,
Speaker 2: you just can't. Like, there's there's some there's some line. Again,
Speaker 2: there's an invisible it's a big fat line. You know
Speaker 2: it when you when you when you see it. I
Speaker 2: can't tell you where it is, but there is one,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think we'll we'll butt our way
Speaker 2: up against it pretty soon.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this, how about sex doll brothel?
Speaker 1: Is it cheating? Hmmm? Because I know the.
Speaker 2: Answer, Oh you do? You know the right answer, correct
Speaker 2: one and only correct answer to this question? What is it?
Speaker 1: The answer is now, okay. Obviously, I think that is
Speaker 1: up for every couple to negotiate and come to their
Speaker 1: own terms on right or polycule or whatever. Whoever has
Speaker 1: boundaries for their for their personal romantic lives. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's a masturbatory aid. That's a toy.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm leaning. It would be like saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not a love, which some men don't. Some some
Speaker 2: people won't let their partners use use sex toys because
Speaker 2: they do feel like it's a violation of some kind.
Speaker 2: Or I've heard plenty of women say they don't like
Speaker 2: it when their husband's masturbate. So I don't know, like
Speaker 2: even with their just their hand, they're like, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: My first girlfriend and we weren't having sex, but she
Speaker 1: told me, she said, I don't think that when a
Speaker 1: couple starts having sex, that the man should masturbate anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know what, I doubt she thinks
Speaker 1: that today we were I had no idea what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, but it was her understanding that was like,
Speaker 1: well that I should be enough for them, you know.
Speaker 2: And then of course you're like, probably in your head
Speaker 2: about what are you who are you thinking about? Are
Speaker 2: they different than me? How are they different than me?
Speaker 2: What do you wish? I was like, you know whatever,
Speaker 2: And the same for I think a lot of men
Speaker 2: that don't like sex toys is there is a sense
Speaker 2: of oh that that dildo's bigger than me, or I
Speaker 2: can't vibrate my dick, so you know, like you're getting
Speaker 2: something I can't provide, and it makes me feel insecure.
Speaker 1: But once we advance AI to the point of more
Speaker 1: like bionic enhancements and we merge, you can get you
Speaker 1: can have a vibrating dick.
Speaker 2: Is that the future we all want?
Speaker 1: With the mind of its own? Oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: about that true consciousness.
Speaker 2: That'd be funny if your vibrating dick was like I
Speaker 2: don't like this girl and just went.
Speaker 1: Flatt excuse me, that's my wife, like push the button.
Speaker 2: Override, override, I will say, just quickly to wrap this
Speaker 2: sex brothel thing up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Vox article does say, and I find this ironic
Speaker 2: that a lot of human jobs are actually created by
Speaker 2: a sext brothel rather than taken away because of the
Speaker 2: amount of cleaning that has to take place. Oh between,
Speaker 2: So it's actually more expensive to run a sex doll
Speaker 2: brothel than a regular brothel.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so well, two or.
Speaker 2: Three people humans have to clean one doll.
Speaker 1: We may be removing sex workers jobs, but the custodial
Speaker 1: jobs were.
Speaker 2: Creative shooting up. Guys are doubling, which hopefully the pay
Speaker 2: is really good.
Speaker 1: It better be, because I'm not sure what I would
Speaker 1: charge for you to be for you to get me
Speaker 1: to hose out a sex doll of a hyperrealistic sex
Speaker 1: an artificially conscious sex doll who's probably like a little
Speaker 1: to the left. Please, oh god, don't forget behind that flap.
Speaker 1: You know, girl, You're gonna need to probably detach my
Speaker 1: left leg to clean this one. I don't. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: job's job, and people are willing to do all kinds
Speaker 1: of things I'm not willing to do, and I'm grateful
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: There's really any cleaning job I probably would not take.
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy cleaning.
Speaker 1: Oh really anything I would.
Speaker 2: I know you said you would start a cleaning company.
Speaker 1: It's like it was down the list for me in
Speaker 1: my fallbacks.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you'd be get like an organizational company.
Speaker 2: To you, you're very organization Well.
Speaker 1: I was a trained closet planner at the container store
Speaker 1: for three years.
Speaker 2: So great people.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I could do your house pretty nicely.
Speaker 1: But I can't do my house though.
Speaker 2: I know right well, you know the cobblers kids go
Speaker 2: barefoot or whatever, the Cobblers kids. My first part of
Speaker 2: my laugh was me laughing at my joke. The last
Speaker 2: part of my laugh was me laughing at how tickled
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: I just want cobbler now, gobbler, geez, look at literally,
Speaker 1: look at the because we've we've already done our two
Speaker 1: commercial breaks and we're at an hour, and there's y'all.
Speaker 1: We have we we have, we barely scratched the surface.
Speaker 1: We have more, this is the problem. We have more.
Speaker 2: We have more about sex work for like humans, humans.
Speaker 1: Humans, remember them, right, I remember humans.
Speaker 2: We're out here selling sex too. Okay, it's not just
Speaker 2: a robots thing.
Speaker 1: Technically, do we sell sex a little bit? Because our
Speaker 1: job is based around sex largely, it's not very sexy. Well,
Speaker 1: we're not like giving sexual gratification.
Speaker 2: No, so, so I guess. I mean if you if
Speaker 2: selling sex includes talking about sex or being sexy while
Speaker 2: trying to sell a product, then everyone is selling sex.
Speaker 2: It's like Carl's Junior was selling sex with ladies on
Speaker 2: the of the car eating Burger's Carls.
Speaker 1: There's always selling sex. I gotta say. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: so we're not, uh, you know, chefs selling food, but
Speaker 1: we're sort of like a food blog talking about food,
Speaker 1: so we're not. I guess we're not selling sex. We're
Speaker 1: just selling sex adjacent. That's been me my whole life.
Speaker 1: I was writing sex adjacent.
Speaker 2: I've been sex adjacent. Yeah a long time.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all are probably anxious to get back to your
Speaker 1: sex that you're all having, so we should take We
Speaker 1: don't have time. We didn't have time. We didn't even
Speaker 1: get to the mayor who married the crocodile.
Speaker 2: We sure did not. I promise that story.
Speaker 1: You did. You said that right up front. You said
Speaker 1: that was one of the first things you said we'd get.
Speaker 2: To that's right, and there's some legislation still to look
Speaker 2: at and stuff like that. So yeah, we're just gonna
Speaker 2: have to come back next time with a little more stories,
Speaker 2: more sex adjacent stories for you.
Speaker 1: Y'all don't have time to listen to two hours of us,
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Speaker 1: long break as opposed to our usual three minute commercial breaks.
Speaker 1: This one will be like a day or two, and
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