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Speaker 1: So have you ever heard of July tenth as seven

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Speaker 2: Seven ten day? That is not familiar to me?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's surprisingly because it's a weed holiday. No shita

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Speaker 1: twenty Yeah apparently. And this is I am h O

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Speaker 1: real dumb. It's called seven ten day because when you

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Speaker 1: turn seven ten upside down, it looks like oil. It's

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Speaker 1: all about different types of oil THHC, like shatter or vapes. Okay, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is legit. I mean obviously it's just you know,

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Speaker 1: a hallmark holiday for weed. Like they just made it

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Speaker 1: up to sell shit, right holidays are Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's just thinking to myself like, well, I guess it's

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Speaker 2: just like, what the fuck does I have to do

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Speaker 2: with anything?

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Speaker 1: Fair Well, in remembrance of seven ten day, which was

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Speaker 1: at this point, remember many days ago.

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Speaker 2: Well you know what, babe, I will unlike other days,

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Speaker 2: I will smoke wheat on some intent.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got it. You gotta cook up some shatter.

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't know about all that.

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Speaker 1: What else? Tell them what we're watching.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're finally watching the Bear finally, So now we're

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Speaker 2: in season two, so everyone can stop yelling at us

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Speaker 2: about seeing the Bear.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyable Yeah, perfectly enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a part of me that was like,

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Speaker 2: I kind of wish that I had watched a show

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Speaker 2: like this before I worked at a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what the difference is. We both worked for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about the attitude that they're bringing to

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Speaker 2: their careers and wanting, you know, to put their best

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Speaker 2: foot forward and stuff like that. And there's sometimes when

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Speaker 2: you know, I was younger, and it's not my business,

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Speaker 2: so I don't care, you know, like I'm just there

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Speaker 2: to make my money and leave.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but there were.

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Speaker 2: Times when I would think to myself, like, if you

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Speaker 2: really wanted to, you could you could think about this

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Speaker 2: in a more serious way, like thinking about being the

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Speaker 2: first person somebody sees that morning and setting a tone

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Speaker 2: for their day and like smiling over their coffee and

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Speaker 2: making it a cheerful experience so that they're like, ah,

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Speaker 2: I feel good this morning, I'm gonna go tackle my

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Speaker 2: day like you know you can, you can think or

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Speaker 2: being the person at the end of the day that's

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Speaker 2: like providing a really nice meal and people remember what

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Speaker 2: they worked so hard for delicious food, and I had

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Speaker 2: on me. Like there is something about that service that

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Speaker 2: you're providing that you can take a lot of pride in.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think I had that at all. I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I hate everything and everyone.

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Speaker 1: But to me, it was very dependent on that two

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Speaker 1: way street, right, like if the customer, you know, had

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Speaker 1: an attitude of you're the machine that brings me my sustenance, now.

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Speaker 2: Do it right, pon pon nine.

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking the other day of a table

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Speaker 1: and it was the worst day. I mean, a brunch

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Speaker 1: and like it should be mandatory for citizenship. I think

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Speaker 1: you should have to do, you know, eighteen months of brunch.

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Speaker 2: Service or at least some brunch and then like a

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Speaker 2: Christmas retail yeah right right, you know, three months of

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me started, but we should all

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Speaker 1: be rotating jobs. But anyway, so horrible, horrible day, and

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Speaker 1: this table these three kids just like, you know, very

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Speaker 1: average table. They were fine, they got their food, they

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Speaker 1: were nice. They left, and they left this little like

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Speaker 1: pre printed punch out card that was just like hope, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember specifically what it was. It was

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Speaker 1: And i'mlike almost started weeping, and I went out outside

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well it has been a week for us. We're dogs sitting.

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Speaker 1: We got a new house guest, Lee Low. If anybody

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Speaker 1: But she's looking for a home. We're kind of halfway

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's it. That's what we're doing right now. Halfway

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Speaker 2: house for dogs. Yeah, not a bad gig, No.

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Speaker 1: a little short spurts. So that's been our week. But

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Speaker 1: there's a big whole world out there that also had

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Speaker 1: a week that's so true, and we want to talk

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Speaker 1: about that a little bit today. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's just a lot of stuff in the news recently

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Speaker 2: about sex and marriage. Last well, guest Week and a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks sure, and some that y'all sent us.

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Speaker 2: Some listeners sent us some headlines or tagged us, and

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Speaker 2: some stories and we were like, well, dang, let's throw

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Speaker 2: together some current copulation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's so nice to be thought about. It

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Speaker 1: is when you're out there and you're just reading the

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Speaker 1: news and you're like, I know, who needs to hear

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Speaker 1: about this Elian.

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Speaker 2: Diana a giant dildo in Mexico? Yeah, I know, I

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Speaker 2: know who needs to know about it?

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Speaker 1: The thoughts that make people think of us.

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Speaker 2: I love to be associated with giant statues. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: recently there's been some like ethics questions about AI sex robots.

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Speaker 2: You know, we love talk about AI up in here.

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Speaker 2: There's a mayor who married a reptile in Mexico. There

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Speaker 2: were several pieces of legislation or like court cases that

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Speaker 2: kind of caught our eye. There's some new stats on

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Speaker 2: marriage in the US that people were talking about, just

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Speaker 2: a lot of different things. So I say, let's just

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Speaker 2: dive into this smorgage board of sex and marriage news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, their French come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got

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Speaker 2: some stories to tell. There's no match making a romantic.

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Speaker 3: Tips, It's just about ridiculous relations shit, I love.

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Speaker 2: There might be any type of person at all, and

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Speaker 1: A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Well, recently there's been a bit of a spate of

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Speaker 2: people throwing things at performers in concerts, like concerts like

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna go on a rent.

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Speaker 2: And now I'll start to say I.

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Speaker 1: I'll stop, but just to say it makes the news,

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Speaker 1: And then someone says I could do that, right, try

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Speaker 2: I did see someone be like, well, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: in the you know, seventies and eighties, we were throwing

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Speaker 1: It's the other side of it, too, where the news

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Speaker 1: on this thing that's happening as if it's new. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, in half of it is so that oh, well,

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Speaker 2: hey boomers, what do you think about this? And like, oh,

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Speaker 2: hey millennials, you know, so we can all argue with

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Speaker 2: each other exactly. In fact, we're all the worst so

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Speaker 2: and have been forever. But the reason we're bringing this

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Speaker 2: up is because this time, at a Lil nas X

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Speaker 2: concert in Stockholm, Sweden, someone threw a vagina shaped sex

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Speaker 2: toy at Lil nas X and of course little Na's

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Speaker 2: a humorous guy. It's in a great sense of humor. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so apparently he just dodged it. And then he picked

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Speaker 2: up and asked the crowd, quote, who threw their pussy

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Speaker 1: What else can you say in that kind of situation? Also,

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Speaker 2: Somebody had some good seats to the Montero tour and decide.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you've already got disposable income.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got questions though?

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Speaker 1: Is it used?

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Speaker 2: Is it new? Was it in the box?

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Speaker 1: How would you homemake.

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Speaker 2: Somebody his homemade? They're a little flashlight, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Three D printer in a silicone mold.

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Speaker 2: Three D printer or pillow, uh huh?

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Speaker 2: Growth.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what people do. Why

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Speaker 1: is it so sticky? Common question? Title your sex tape?

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Speaker 2: I might prefer that though to what I think is

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Speaker 2: mother's ashes no during her show what and the person

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Speaker 1: Well and imagine these are ashes, right, but like it's

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Speaker 1: the day, is it really that different. This is just

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Speaker 1: another chemical form of someone's corpse being thrown at you.

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Speaker 2: It's very gross, really weird. And also like, if you're

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Speaker 2: a fan, why would you want to disrespect her like

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Speaker 2: this in the middle of her performance. I feel like

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Speaker 2: to do some aerial and you need to leave up.

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Speaker 2: It's alone.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's not like that's some sort of permanent resting place,

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Speaker 1: just doesn't seem.

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Speaker 2: Like it doesn't feel respectful.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe mom was like all I care

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Speaker 1: about is pink, and I just want to, even for

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Speaker 1: a moment, be scattered over her dancing body.

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Speaker 2: If but one particle of my ashes goes inside her

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Speaker 2: eye or something, I'm forever part of pink.

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Speaker 1: Probably not probably unethical to have a relationship with your patient,

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Speaker 2: let's go have dinner. I don't think anyone cares about that.

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Speaker 1: Here's my question. Have you ever had a hot doctor,

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Speaker 2: Nurse or hot nurse? None come to mind. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I did have a hot dentist. One time.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say I had a hot dentist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hot dentists. Several of his texts were hot too,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he sent me some hot texts.

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Speaker 1: Did what text? His assistance text from my dentist?

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Speaker 2: It says, are you flossy?

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Speaker 1: She's a little punk Rocke dentist, that's right, with a

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Speaker 2: She was like, oh, your teeth look terrible, Diana. You

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to pay this bill.

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Speaker 1: What's great about dental insurance is that you it's it's

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Speaker 2: Right. But to be fair, if you call them, they

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, they say, haha, you're poor. You

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Speaker 2: Having teeth was actually a pre existing condition.

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Speaker 1: So so maybe think about that next time and don't

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you who's got great teeth? Oh cw actors, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Great segue, babe, you got us from one store to

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Speaker 2: so the Smallville actress Alison Mack, who recruited women to

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Speaker 1: Who worked for Okay, IoT, you get you something right.

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Speaker 2: He was the leader of this cult. And basically Alison

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Speaker 2: She was the trustworthy woman, was like, come and you know,

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Speaker 2: know nothing crazy, All you have to do is some

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, no problem. You're telling me that women can

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Speaker 2: I am telling you, yeah. And I wouldn't be the

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Speaker 2: I guess, build a case against Keith. He got one

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Speaker 2: And she did say she was filled with guilt and

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Speaker 2: Man, because I feel like, you know, we don't love

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Speaker 1: You know, one of these things. Is she like, and

438
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: I know they consider this too, Is she likely to

439
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: do harm again? And probably not a she would have

440
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: to like probably alter her identity, fool. Everybody is like,

441
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna listen to anything you say. I'm not.

442
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take any of your recommendations. If you're

443
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: like the trader Joe's on fifth is better than the

444
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: one on twelfth, I'm gonna be like, you're trying to

445
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: check me into a sex call, so I'm going to

446
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: one on twelfth.

447
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Speaker 2: You think she's like, hey, guys, I thought i'd have

448
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: a little dinner party at my house. And everybody's like, oh, yeah,

449
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: I didn't say what it was. I really every night

450
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: was coming up in the near futures.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And on that point, I don't see her as

452
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: a threat. So if she is willing to, you know,

453
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Speaker 1: work with the system to get the guy who really

454
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: is the threat out, then does that not get something

455
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: for her? Or or do we just want vengeance? Do

456
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: we just want to punish her?

457
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

458
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Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I think punishment should be real,

459
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: but also like, is it just to make us feel better?

460
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: Or is it to make a better world, right, right?

461
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you make a good point. If you really

462
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 2: put yourself in her shoes and think about her, I'd

463
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: rather not. I mean I don't, but i'd try to

464
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: think about these things where I'm like, I'm not even

465
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 2: sympathetic to this person. I don't like them. But you know,

466
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about the movie from their perspective, she's

467
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: probably thinking and they are too. I'm sure the lawyers

468
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: in court and everything, of the years that have passed

469
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: since this was discovered, the time she spent in prison,

470
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: and of course the eye of the world being upon

471
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: her and her name now is forever linked to this

472
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: Hainau's crimes and this horrible, horrible cult and everything, and

473
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're probably like, well, yeah, what are

474
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: you going to do? But go live quietly somewhere more than.

475
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Speaker 1: Likely, I mean, you know, especially while meanwhile, we've got

476
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: people who've done much more terrible things are out here

477
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Speaker 1: being some of the wealthiest and freest people in the

478
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Speaker 1: world and most powerful. Right, it is a little imbalance.

479
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: But again, so I guess what I'm saying is thrower

480
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: a parade. Let's give her whatever she wants hang on. No,

481
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: it's just tricky with punishments. But anyway, I think the

482
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: point is they got him, they got him.

483
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: Good, they got him. Guys twenty years she was part

484
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: of that. And to my point, I just saying she

485
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: has had been she has been punished, right, she served

486
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Speaker 2: some time, She's had to deal with a lot of

487
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: anger and justified anger. Right, true hatred probably pointed her way.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a good collection to start with a

489
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: lot of death and uh.

490
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Speaker 2: Right, is everyone still listening? Are we still having a fun?

491
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Speaker 1: We're laughing, We're laughing. So let's take a quick break,

492
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: we'll reset, We'll come back with some more ridiculous romance

493
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: stories right after this break.

494
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. All.

495
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Speaker 1: I know we said things we're gonna start dark and

496
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: get lighter. Well, I don't think we ever promised that.

497
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: We never promised that the problem with sex and marriage

498
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: in the news that it's usually.

499
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: Not seriously bad. I think that's we've talked endlessly about

500
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: this before too, but I think that's something we aim

501
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: for on this show. Also, it's like a lot of

502
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: these stories are pretty terrible because sometimes ridiculousness and especially sex,

503
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, don't go well for somebody. I think it's

504
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: good to be able to address those seriously and in

505
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: earnest and have some weight to it, and also like

506
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: not get sunk down into misery and be able to

507
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: kind of laugh at some of the surrounding stuff about

508
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: the world while still respecting the nightmares that people are

509
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: going through. Yeah, so let's see line it is, so

510
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: let's see if we can laugh at this one stopping laughter.

511
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Speaker 1: In Japan, a student sued her teacher. She accused him

512
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: of using his position of authority to groom her into

513
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: a relationship because they were apparently together for ten years,

514
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: they took like trips together, definitely an inappropriate student teacher relationship,

515
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: and she says that the first time they ever dine

516
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: anything sexual, she felt forced. Now he claimed, now this

517
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: is totally consensual. Sure, I think that there's plenty to

518
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: say about what a teenager can consent to with a

519
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: grown ass adult.

520
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: Right right, And keep in mind also culturally the difference

521
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: in Japan that has paid an elder that a woman

522
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: pays to a man. It's a little bit different than

523
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: a student teacher relationship even here, which it would still

524
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: be inappropriate. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I'm just thinking

525
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: about it because I'm like, oh, ten years, Okay, at

526
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: some point you decided, but you know, I do want

527
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: to put that extra layer there, that there is a

528
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: little bit more weight on that sort of thing.

529
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: For sure. And that sort of explains why she stayed

530
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: with him for so long, because she said that she

531
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: kept seeing him because she was so grateful to him

532
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: for the treatment she got, the sort of probably status,

533
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: a little.

534
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: Bit opportunities for her, you know, yeah, I mean there's

535
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: lots of ways he could make himself useful to keep

536
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: her by.

537
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she felt like it was rude to refuse him,

538
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: which is again a lot and very much sort of

539
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: a grooming situation where an adult takes a teenager who

540
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: don't know no better and says, I'm helping you, and

541
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's respectful for you to pay me back

542
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: in some respect, right. So she knew that this lawsuit

543
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: against him was probably not going to succeed, and she

544
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't even really feel like a victim of sexual harassment

545
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: because she didn't have bruises or injuries, which is also

546
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: something that happens a lot. People who were abused think, well,

547
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't because I wasn't you know, smacked around, Yeah, or.

548
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Like I didn't have to be restrained physically to have

549
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: sex with this person. I mean we, you know, we're

550
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: having that conversation for the past few years about what's coercion,

551
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: enthusiastic consent, Yeah, stuff like that, And I guess this

552
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: article is kind of pointing out that they're not really

553
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: having that conversation in Japan as much so. Sexual harassment

554
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: and assault is still very much like, Oh, a guy

555
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: burst into your house and threatened you at gunpoint and

556
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: tied you up, and you know, it has to be

557
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: something very violent before it is considered to be a

558
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: traumatizing event.

559
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's here's where it gets crazy.

560
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: But here's the twist.

561
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Speaker 1: Apparently the professor's own wife turned around and sued the

562
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: girl for damages. She said, oh, your your relationship violated

563
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: marital civil code and that it was up to the

564
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: girl to end this relationship. She could have done so

565
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: at any time.

566
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: I hate this.

567
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: It's because Japan's civil code counts marital infidelity as a

568
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: breach of contract. So she says, you broke the contract

569
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: between my husband and I, So why wouldn't.

570
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: It be the husband's fault. That's what I don't understand.

571
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: She should be suing his ass.

572
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: Okay, but guess what. The wife won twenty thousand dollars

573
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: in damages according to New York Times.

574
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

575
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: So I guess it was just like she's shaken a

576
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: rolling pin and she's like, you cheated on me, but

577
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: at least we'll make some money.

578
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: Off of it. Look in my defense, my defense would

579
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: be I didn't make no contract with this bitch at all. Right,

580
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: she made a contract with her husband that he broke,

581
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: so y'all need to work that out. I have nothing

582
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: to do with that promise. I didn't promise you nothing.

583
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it sort of balanced out because the

584
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: student did win some minor damages, so she was able

585
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Speaker 1: to pay it off like that. So I don't know

586
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: if it's just balanced.

587
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: That's so weird that the husband's like, here's my money,

588
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: and she's like, okay, thanks, I'm gonna go give it

589
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: to your wife.

590
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: To give it your wife out point of any of

591
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: this total dog and pony.

592
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: Show money rigamarole.

593
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the girl said in an interview quote, I understand

594
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: that I was wait naive, and I still hate myself

595
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: for it. There's so many times I could have said

596
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: no and run away. Where again she's sort of blaming

597
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 1: herself here for this guy, you know, getting inside her

598
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: brain and making her think that she owes him something.

599
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: She literally said that, right, I mean, yes, we all

600
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: have responsibility for our actions. And yes, like you said,

601
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: ten years in like, there was a point at when

602
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: she were grown up enough.

603
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not sure it wasn't a daily thing

604
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: or something. But you know, we look at that should

605
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: have been a point.

606
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: Lived their whole lives in cults, and then in their

607
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: sixties or later, they're like, what was I How was

608
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: I so crazy to think all this for so long?

609
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily have as much control over your own

610
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: thoughts as you think you do all the time, Like,

611
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: especially when people are really good, right at manipulating that

612
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: that's right.

613
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they find a way to get in with you

614
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: whatever insecurity or whatever opening, right, and then they lead

615
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: you along just long enough that when they start to

616
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: suggest things that you should immediately say no to you

617
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 2: for some reason, say yes, like, I mean, we've you know,

618
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: we've all had a friend who made us do something.

619
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: They know, like oh, in the.

620
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: Cold light of day, It all seemed like a very

621
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: obvious thing not to do, but at the time it

622
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: made all of sense.

623
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Speaker 1: I just unprompted our friends. Y'all know, Cherry and Jason

624
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: are moving, and I don't know how they got into

625
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: my head, but I just messaged them today and said, hey,

626
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: you guys need some.

627
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: Help out of nowhere?

628
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: How the hell did that happen?

629
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: And he goes, do you all need help packing? We'll

630
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: be there, We will be there.

631
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Did I say that's fair? I totally volunteered you as well.

632
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: I did not say, here's.

633
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: The thing, I'm being forced by my husband.

634
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: Well, friends moved.

635
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: We're all manipulating each other here. I don't know how

636
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: they got helped to pack. Yeah, no, that's the truth.

637
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: When we move, we're gonna want that out over anyway.

638
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Psychological manipulation. It happens to us all, It happens to

639
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: us all. Well.

640
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: There was another case tried this year in Japan where

641
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: another student accused her professor of repeatedly like inappropriately touching

642
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: her and saying sexual things to her, like that he

643
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: thought about her naked, or I'm gonna make you my

644
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: woman after you graduate my woman.

645
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Wow. Gross.

646
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: She also was complaining that she had went to the

647
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: university to kind of be like, hey, this professor's saying

648
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: some gross things to me, and she was told, quote,

649
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: sexual harassment is something more serious, and that she had

650
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: quote let her guard down.

651
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

652
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: So they kind of dismissed her complaints and did nothing

653
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: to the professor. And she was like, if they had

654
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: just kind of been a little more empathetic and listened

655
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: to me, it would have lessened my suffering that I

656
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: was going through. But they, you know, she was just

657
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: getting it from all sides basically. So she actually won

658
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: her case, but the court said, quote, there was no

659
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: evidence to recognize such behavior cross a socially acceptable line.

660
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: What I mean, one, this is what I don't.

661
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Understand that either, because she won the case, but they

662
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: said the behavior wasn't bad at it.

663
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: It was just like, yeah, yeah, fine, here's some money,

664
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: but nothing bad really happened here.

665
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I know, don't. I don't really understand that decision, but

666
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: I think it just kind of highlights like, oh, we're again.

667
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: You're not slapped around, there's no bruises, you're not like

668
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: shaking in a corner, so you're probably fine, and you

669
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: were just a little annoyed. So what's the big deal?

670
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

671
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just reminds me. I mean, you know, right here,

672
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of the same problems in schools. My

673
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: high school girlfriend, my first like serious girlfriend. I learned

674
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: from her. We completed we went to this We had

675
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: gone to the same middle school in different years, and

676
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: it's an awful middle school, like just rotten place full

677
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: of rotten people. And she went to the administration to

678
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: complain about how other students were treating the other boys.

679
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: And definitely it was the first time I learned that

680
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: had been will tell you, Oh, well, boys will be boys.

681
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: That's literally what she heard. And I was like, what wait,

682
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: what's that's normal? And you just need to deal with it.

683
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: That was so crazy to me, And it just reminds

684
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: me this here.

685
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: That's insane because boys will be boys is a very

686
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: common phrase to hear or like I hated it as

687
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: a kid. This boy keeps bothering me, poke me or

688
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: I'll pull my hair. You know, he's always bothering me

689
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: saying something. Oh, that just means he likes you, so

690
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: he thinks you're cute. He's trying to flirt and I'm like, well,

691
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: that's not flirting. Why should I be feel privileged by

692
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: that behavior or flattered by being annoyed and my personal

693
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: space being violated that why are you trying to teach

694
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: me that? That's like how boys flirt? Can we not

695
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: teach boys a better way of flirting? Because it used

696
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: to be like, let me do little services for you,

697
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: or buy you a gift, can you a flower, give

698
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: you accomplished, show up.

699
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: At your house every day with another piece of emerald jewelry.

700
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: Now I just poke in hard to class.

701
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: He shoved me down and kicked three of my teeth out,

702
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, ooh k I S.

703
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: S I, and you're wedding well.

704
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Truly insane behavior. I'm I'm very glad. I feel like

705
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: I became a better person by being way too terrified

706
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: to approach girls that I liked in middle school, probably

707
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: because and to me, boys will be boys was the

708
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: stuff me and my boys were doing, which was like

709
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: seeing how many seconds it took for an egg to

710
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: explode in the microwave, balancing the egg on top of

711
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: a Bbie gun and shooting it straight up in the

712
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: air and watching the egg explode, or various ways of

713
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: making eggs explode was pretty much most of our.

714
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: Days was really fixated on this egg thing.

715
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: Well, it got us out doors. Otherwise those video games.

716
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: Boys can't do that.

717
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: I know, eggs were cheap back then, we're cheap in

718
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, man, we really destroyed a lot of eggs.

719
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Really contried it into the problem, starting well, boys will

720
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: be boys.

721
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: What do you want for me? Boys will be boys.

722
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Let's get out of this.

723
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: I know, well we will. I will say, just to

724
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: wrap up these this Japan, these Japan stories that in

725
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: both cases the teachers were fired, so they that was

726
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: at least one punishment they both received with that, Hey,

727
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be around other students, right, which is a

728
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: good thing. And you know, and probably both of the

729
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: women and the stories were like, that's my ultimate goal.

730
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to.

731
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: There's not Yeah, there's not many. I don't think there's

732
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: even many people who are like I want him torn

733
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: down to shreds, put into a dark cell forever and

734
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: no one ever sees his face again until he looks

735
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: like one of the cave creatures from the Descent, Like, wow,

736
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: I don't think there's so many people who want.

737
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: I feel like you've thought this before. That was real quick.

738
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: I have thought it about some people. But I think

739
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's just like, hey, I just

740
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: want this person to be stripped of the authority that

741
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: that gave them the power over me, that made it

742
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for me. I just don't want them to have

743
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: that anymore. And they don't have that, Okay, now they

744
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: can move on and do whatever.

745
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: I think that's there. It is again of that difference

746
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: between vengeance and harm reduction.

747
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: Right.

748
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: We emotionally want to watch these bad people suffer, but

749
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: if we remove them from their teaching position, they have

750
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: a they have less of an opportunity to do that

751
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of behavior again and be hopefully other people see

752
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: that and think twice before they behave like that, thinking well,

753
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, I might lose my job if I do right.

754
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: I think those are the goals you're trying to achieve.

755
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Or I might not be able to get this job

756
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: anywhere else if I lose it here, which is the

757
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: other goal. I think the problem is that they get

758
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: fired and then they just get hired somewhere else, so

759
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: you're like, well that's not enough. Then that's when you

760
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: start to get I guess I need to tear him

761
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: down to the little nothings so that he will never

762
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: be hired by anyone like ever again.

763
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like a dissent creature.

764
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a descent creature.

765
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Now. That was part of the problem with the priests, right,

766
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: It was like, I can't believe that you did that

767
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: to those boys. We're gonna, oh, we've had it up

768
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: to here with you. We are definitely transferring you to

769
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: a different church.

770
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: You're like, wait, wait where no one knows about you? Yeah,

771
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: and nacan you can be trusted all anew again by

772
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: a whole pile of new people. Horrible.

773
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: Can we get out of this sexual harassment stuff?

774
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about consent.

775
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about consent, but at least for robots. So

776
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break and decide when we come

777
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: back from this. So we'll take a quick break and

778
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: decide when we come back right here today, we will

779
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: determine whether or not robots deserve consent themselves.

780
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: Unlucky you, that's what we're here for. And welcome back.

781
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: All right. So we have talked ad nauseum on this

782
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: show at length and across many episodes about the future

783
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: of sex and technology. Right, AI chat bots doing whatever

784
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: you want to do to you in the virtual setting,

785
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: text setting. I guess if that's your thing, we're talking

786
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: of holograms, we're talking sex bots and hyperrealistic sex dolls,

787
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: of which there are more than fifty six thousand sold

788
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: every year, and ninety five percent of those sex dolls

789
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: are presented as female.

790
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: Right, Right, Not too many male sex dolls going out

791
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: the door.

792
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: Not a lot. I guess one could argue, and I

793
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: don't have the stats to back this up, that if

794
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: you want a male bodied person to have sex with you,

795
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: it's easier to just go get one who's willing, like

796
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: an actual human sex doll.

797
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: A human sex doll, that's what I that's what we're

798
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: looking for.

799
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: But obviously, as these things get more advanced, as AI

800
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: is starting to come closer to simulating consciousness, certainly not

801
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: anywhere near actually recreating it, but sort of tricking you

802
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: into thinking it's there, the question becomes like, should these

803
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: things become sophisticated enough to require consent from their users,

804
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: Like if you have an active sex doll that has

805
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: a real voice and responds to you in real time

806
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: as if they're having a real conversation with you. Can

807
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: it say no? Should it be able to right? Should

808
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: it have to say yes? There's kind of part of

809
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: me is like black and white. No, it's not a

810
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: conscious being. You can't harm it. I don't understand why

811
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: you would program it to be able to be harmed

812
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: or be traumatized. That's super weird.

813
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: That's where it gets real gross, right, because that's where

814
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: you want it to feel badly, Yes, right, like West

815
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: World style.

816
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: But the argument is that pornography does have an effect

817
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: on our brains and how we sort of engage with

818
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: the real world around us. It changes our chemistry, it

819
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: changes how we engage with sex, and the physical and

820
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: visual components to a sex doll make them have an

821
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: even stronger impact. So if you have a sex doll

822
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: that you can be violent with and it's normal for

823
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: you to force yourself onto it or whatever, does that

824
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: maybe teach your brain on a subconscious level where you're

825
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: not even aware of it, really to behave more like

826
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: that in the real world or to be more okay

827
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: with it. Does it sort of desensitize you? Right?

828
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Or even like maybe that gets tied in with arousal

829
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: for you so you can't get to like that's what

830
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: sex is supposed to feel like, look like, or be like.

831
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: So anything else is not like how.

832
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: We often would have just randomly would have the radio on,

833
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, every time we would do it,

834
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy World was playing, and now I can't get it

835
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: on without the middle blasting at full volume.

836
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: You heard it here first, guess I know it's tough.

837
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: You put the middle on.

838
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: You put the middle on. I'm not saying something's going

839
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm just saying something can't happen without without

840
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 1: the middle on. Okay, yeah, okay, it just takes some time.

841
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: But neither here nor even.

842
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: In the middle of the ry. Yeah, so yeah, that's

843
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: that is the argument, right, is that pornography just visually

844
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: has enough of an effect on our brain chemistry that

845
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: people are worried that with the additional physical component, it'll

846
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: really get in the neurons and make all the wrong

847
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: connections happen in your brain. Of course, the argument against

848
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: is your argument that it's not a it doesn't have emotions,

849
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't have true consciousness, It cannot feel pain or

850
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: shame or any of those things. The article, by the way,

851
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: is from decrypt dot Co. It's called do AI sex

852
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: robots require consent?

853
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: Okay?

854
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: And there's a sex doll maker in the article who

855
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: says that it would be akin to asking a banana's

856
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: permission to eat it.

857
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: Okay? All right?

858
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a lot of conversation back and

859
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: forth about whether and isn't this the thing with AI period?

860
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: What is consciousness? At what point does it cross the

861
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: line to being too much like a human being?

862
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: Even because again, we're so far off from we can't

863
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: synthesize broccoli in a lab. We are so far from

864
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: being able to synthesize something as complicated as human consciousness.

865
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: So we don't even understand it in ourselves exactly.

866
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. But when it becomes indiscernible, even

867
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: though it's not really consciousness, the algorithms are so advanced

868
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: that your brain is fooled into thinking it is. It's

869
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: designed to fool you. So does it still have that

870
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: impact on your brain? And I think this goes right

871
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: back to the violent video games conversation. Right to me,

872
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: I grew up with absolutely heinous video games. Not at home.

873
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: My parents were actually aggressively against violent toys, violent video games,

874
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: stuff like that, And I think that's totally fine that

875
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: they were. They were fine with me playing whatever games

876
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: at my friend's house if that's what we wanted to do.

877
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and any number of eggs.

878
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thanks one the least of it. You know,

879
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: we were playing Duke Nukeam and Blood and counter Strike. Yeah,

880
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: Doom wasn't really my thing, but it's definitely around, you know,

881
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: very violent first person shooters stuff like that. I love

882
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: the Grand Theft Autos. I'm a total pacifist, Like, I

883
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: don't have violent streaks, really, I don't think at all.

884
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: And for me, it's because I was well aware of

885
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: the difference between fantasy and reality and those two parts

886
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: of my brain did not have an overlap. But for

887
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: some people, I think it does make them more. It

888
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: normalizes that violence, and you kind of sort of try

889
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: to fantasize that your life is more like the life

890
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: of the game. So I wonder if that's sort of

891
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: similar here. I think some people are going to be

892
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: totally unaffected by it, right, and some people might take

893
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: some of that with them into their real world experiences.

894
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: And so is that a danger enough that it's like okay, Well,

895
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: then everybody has to let it go. Sorry.

896
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you don't.

897
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Have even if you're not that you know, you'll live

898
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: without it, but some people won't live with it, so right,

899
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: you gotta be okay letting it go.

900
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Well, and we have already talked in a previous episode

901
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: about this, but there you know, we have talked about replicas. Yeah,

902
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: of course our old friend replica a replica, and yeah,

903
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: it was some people who started a replica companion solely

904
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: to abuse it. They just wanted to verbally abuse it

905
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: or manipulate it and just see what they could do

906
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: just for kicks, you know. And then some users said

907
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: that they started to be verbally abused and manipulated by

908
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: their replica. Right, so there was a similar argument you

909
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: know about that does it teach people to abuse or

910
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: are people are abusers using it because it's an unfeeling

911
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: entity that they can't really hurt, so they can get

912
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: out that impulse on something that doesn't matter, and then

913
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: they can go out and be a normal citizen.

914
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: It's otherwise getting frustrated and going to the gym and

915
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: hitting the punching bag a few times. Yeah I feel better, Yeah, exactly, right,

916
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: there's there's an argument there for sure, but also like

917
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: do you need to get raping someone out of your

918
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: system or is that something that needs to be solved

919
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: in a different way. It feels well, now that I

920
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: forced myself on a sex doll, I feel better and

921
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't feel compelled to do it to a human

922
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: being anymore like that. No, this is a therapy situation,

923
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: not to get it out of your system situation.

924
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think so. I don't know, it's

925
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: just it's very strange. Yeah, you know, you see that

926
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: too with some men that feel like there's there's women

927
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: who are privileged in my eyes, that are worthy of

928
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: their mothers and their wives, and they're that type of

929
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: woman and whatever they're behaving or however they look, or

930
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they require for that woman and

931
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: every other woman, I can do whatever I want with,

932
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: you know. Like that's how men feel about prostitutes a

933
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: lot of the time, right, is that they're like that's

934
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: why some killers will go after prostitutes because the law

935
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: doesn't particularly care. They might not have a lot of

936
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: family at their disposal to give a fuck either, and

937
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: society looks down on.

938
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: A prostatute you don't count the same way.

939
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: So they're like you, I can violate you, I can

940
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: harm you. It's okay, I got that out of my

941
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: system with a low value person, so now I'm able

942
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 2: to just go be nice to my wife. Like that's

943
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: not an unusual story, sadly, So it's like, do I

944
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: not prefer it? It's happened to adult then a real

945
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: life person does Is that really an impulse that is

946
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: it really helping? I guess? Or does it not keep

947
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: that impulse going? Because it's not like you do it

948
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: one time and then you're like done forever. You surely

949
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: have to do it again and again, because an impulse

950
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: that's in your body like that doesn't just get exercised.

951
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean when I say this is something,

952
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: this is a deeper issue to be resolved, Like you

953
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: should not I don't care. You should not feel compelled

954
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: to assault another person, right like in any way that

955
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: should not be your like natural inclination that you just

956
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: got to get out to feel back to normal again.

957
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: Like something is going on there that needs to be

958
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: addressed and treated.

959
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Right.

960
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: So, and you know, if you do and you don't

961
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: act on it, I'm not saying like, lock everybody up

962
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: who's ever had an illegal thought in their mind. But

963
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the real thing. Can you just be like, boy,

964
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: I really feel like a you know whatever kind of

965
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: horrible person. But take a breath and I won't do it.

966
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: Go ahead, live your life great. But if I think

967
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: if it gets the point where like I've got to

968
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: get it out, so you better give me something synthetic

969
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: or I'm to do it to someone real, that argument

970
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: doesn't hold up for me.

971
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think if you're a person who's like,

972
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: got yeah, your boss's face on the dart board right

973
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: and you're throwing darts, that doesn't really constitute a threat

974
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: against your boss. No, nobody would take it to jail

975
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: for that. No, they'd be like, that's you just getting

976
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 2: out frustration. You don't really want to throw a dart

977
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: at your boss's face, not really, Like if you you know,

978
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: you might be like, ah, yeah I do.

979
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: I would run out.

980
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: But if you really thought about it and you're like

981
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: it went through his eye and there's blood everywhere, like

982
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: you're probably like, oh, I don't want to do that,

983
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: Like I'm.

984
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: Not doing this because I want to put a dart

985
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: in my boss's face, like I would say that I do, right,

986
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I like it only makes me so mad.

987
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: But if I was in a in space alone with

988
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: my boss and a dart and he was tied to

989
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: a chair, right, I'm not going to stab him in

990
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: the face with a dart, you know, Like I wouldn't

991
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: actually do it.

992
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm pretty doubtful.

993
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: Consequence free, I would still not probably enact that kind

994
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: of harm on someone, I'll say, you know what, I'll say, definitely.

995
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: On the other hand, can I ask if somebody if

996
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: you were at a shooting range, okay, and somebody's little

997
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: silhouette that they were hitting was your picture? Yeah, how

998
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 2: would that make you feel? I think I would feel threatened?

999
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah by that. I don't know that if I walked

1000
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: into a dartboard it would I'd be like, damn, people

1001
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: hate me. I should really think about herself.

1002
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: But that's a huge difference.

1003
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: It is different. I know it is, but but I'm

1004
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: just thinking it through, like what where is the line?

1005
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: I guess where's the threat come in that he feels

1006
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: more real?

1007
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: That question comes up a lot, like where's the line?

1008
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: And often I'm like, there's a big fat bold line, right,

1009
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: because the difference between if I walk in a room,

1010
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: my face is on a dartboard. Yes, just what you said.

1011
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Wow, what am I doing that people don't

1012
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: like me this much? If I walk in and I'm

1013
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: in a mannequin in a shooting range, or I'm the

1014
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: visual representation of this sex doll that's getting sexually abused,

1015
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, this person wants to do me harm.

1016
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1017
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: This is not some like get out your frustrations thing. Yeah.

1018
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: So to me, there's the line right there, and can

1019
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: you give me different examples, I'll tell you which side

1020
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: of the line it's on.

1021
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: It might be a darts is a game, so it's

1022
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: immediately more lighthearted, whereas if you're at a shooting range,

1023
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: you're trying to learn how to effectively use a weapon,

1024
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: and darts are not a weapon but a game. So

1025
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: it's probably just the environment and the use of the

1026
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: thing that they do, you know. I mean, I'm sure

1027
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: there's so many little nuances that turn it into a threat,

1028
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: but at any rate, it was just something I was

1029
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: thinking about while we sat here talking. Oh for sure,

1030
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: I would not like that. I would definitely call it

1031
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: be like m is there anything I can do about

1032
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: this person that's using my picture at the shooting range?

1033
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: Please? A little bit more on this. There's a Vox

1034
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: article about sex doll brothels and legal sex work. Then

1035
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: they interviewed a legal sex worker in Nevada, where sex

1036
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: work is legal in most counties, and she said that

1037
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: sex doll brothels would be bad for human sex work because,

1038
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, here's another example of automation taking jobs away.

1039
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: But also they might teach clients that, you know, it's

1040
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: normal for there to be no limits on what you

1041
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: do with a sex partner. So then you know you

1042
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: are used to going to a doll smacking her around

1043
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: doing whatever you want. You shouldn't say, her smacking it around,

1044
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: And then you go to a real person and your

1045
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: brain is in the same headspace right right, and it

1046
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: wants to do the same things.

1047
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: Or their limitations feel like a punishment now because you're

1048
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: sure you know you're allowed to do that the last time.

1049
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: Why do I have to be careful about something now?

1050
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: The old my teacher usually lets me do this. The

1051
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: substitute is like, well, your normal teacher is a robot

1052
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: and I'm a real human but you don't have.

1053
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: To worry too much about automation taking the jobs away from,

1054
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: okay from real life sex workers. Because in this article

1055
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: there's a sex doll maker company called Aura, and then

1056
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: the sex worker that we're talking about, her name is Alyssa.

1057
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: They both agree that sex dolls will not replace the

1058
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: real thing for a long time to come. Oh yeah,

1059
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: for sure come. Alyssa points out in the article that

1060
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: a lot of her clients just want to cuddle and talk.

1061
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: They don't really not really come into her for sexual

1062
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: pleasure necessarily. She says, it's more about the emotional connection,

1063
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what AI sex dolls cannot offer, or

1064
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: rather that is what sex dolls can't offer. AI sex dolls,

1065
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 2: on the other hand, would technically they're trying to make them,

1066
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: I guess, emotionally intelligent enough to fill that role. But

1067
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: right now they're just dolls, and so you know, they're

1068
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: they're very much there for one purpose and they can't

1069
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: fulfill this other purpose that a lot of sex workers

1070
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: are filling for their clients. And of course, the sex

1071
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: doll company said it's the oldest profession in the world.

1072
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: No need to be worried about it, it's gonna, it's going.

1073
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: It's God's staying power.

1074
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: I do think that's true.

1075
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: So that's that is a good point.

1076
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and sex.

1077
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: Work is more than just the sex part. It's a lot.

1078
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: Well, this is very true of a lot.

1079
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: Of building relationships.

1080
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that component is very true

1081
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: of a lot of the AI job fears. I've been

1082
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: playing around with the AI what they call AI art,

1083
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: and I promise you it's not right because I think

1084
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: it's a very cool toy and there's some neat stuff

1085
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: you can do with it. Visually, you can create some

1086
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: really cool looking things, and those are strictly for your eyeballs, right,

1087
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: Like you get one sense from those images, and it's visual.

1088
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: Whereas a human artist who's got, you know, a whole

1089
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: lifetime in their hearts and minds, right, creating a piece

1090
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: of art with intention, with purpose, with effort, with meaning,

1091
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: with all these things, like, that's something that can't be

1092
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: replicated by a machine. And I don't even mean that

1093
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: a in some kind of emotional way. I mean that

1094
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: quite literally. There's an objective thing, like a literal, tangible

1095
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: thing that an AI can't have that a human can have.

1096
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: No matter how advanced it gets at replicating, you know,

1097
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: human artwork or even surpassing it. To me, it's like

1098
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: junk food, right. It tastes delicious and it's fine in

1099
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: a pinch, and you've made it quickly, but it's not

1100
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: a prepared meal. It's not that nourishment. It's not really

1101
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: that good for you, and it's not going to make

1102
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: you feel full in the same way that like a

1103
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: delicious chef could you know, well trained meal is so

1104
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: probably very true for a lot of AI replacements. There

1105
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: is something no matter how advanced and how much trickery

1106
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: they can put into an AI sex doll, there's something

1107
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: there's a lifetime of experience that it won't be able

1108
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: to draw from that a human person would.

1109
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably well and it's been interesting for you

1110
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 2: to play with it because it's so much about how

1111
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: to talk to the AI, like, which is everything with computers, right,

1112
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 2: It's like, how what's your language? It's zeros and ones.

1113
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: Whatever I have to I have to tell you very

1114
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: in a very specific way what I'm looking for, and

1115
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: it's not that easy to do, as you've shown me,

1116
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: like you have to like, oh, you have to fix

1117
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: the prompt with these number of other prompts and number

1118
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: of other boundaries that you have to give it so

1119
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: you can sort of corral it to where you want

1120
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: it to go, and it gives you sort of an

1121
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: idea of what you were sort of going for, and

1122
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: you keep refining. So I've been thinking a lot about MySpace.

1123
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: It was a time when everyone was learning to code HTM,

1124
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: right sure, and so you were learning how to talk

1125
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: to the computer, and you didn't need, you know, a

1126
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: fancy I person to make your little your shit for you.

1127
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: On the other hand, some people's pages were more aesthetically

1128
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 2: pleasing than others, right So, and then also like even

1129
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: if you know how to make a website, sometimes you

1130
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 2: still need a designer to come in with an artist

1131
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: and say this is how it should be laid out,

1132
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 2: or this is how It's not enough to just talk

1133
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: to it. You have to also have the artistic eye

1134
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: and the esthetic I you know what I'm saying, to

1135
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: make something beautiful, right that stuff. So it's kind of

1136
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: like it feels to me like, Okay, a lot of

1137
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: people are going to learn how to talk to this

1138
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: AI and make images, and that's kind of scary for artists.

1139
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: And it's definitely annoying that they're being taught on copyrighted

1140
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: stuff and all that stuff is super unethical. On the

1141
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: other hand, I think at some point the people who

1142
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: want to talk to computers and figure out how to

1143
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: talk to the computer, they're going to run out of

1144
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: ideas to get They're not artists, right at some point,

1145
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: I know it's still already stupid boobs and weird, dumb,

1146
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: porny looking pictures and stuff, and it's like, well, you

1147
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: just that's because you're not an artist. And artists also

1148
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: is not just about the painting. It's about idating the

1149
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: fucking painting in the first place, seeing the angel in

1150
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: the marble. Like if you can't see the angel in

1151
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: the marble, then you're not Michaelangelo, you know. Like so anyway,

1152
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: I think there's there's probably some course correction that will

1153
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: happen naturally.

1154
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people that are

1155
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: tooling around with it now are going to get bored

1156
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: with it, you know, because they are just like they're

1157
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: they're imaginations are and I don't mean this as a dig,

1158
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: but like they're they're more limited, right, Like they're they

1159
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: don't spend their lives thinking of creative concepts. They spend

1160
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: their lives thinking of you know, whatever it is they do.

1161
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: They might be programmers or or just you know, plumbers

1162
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: or I don't know, but they're not prone. They have

1163
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: not practiced developing creative ideas. So at a certain point

1164
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I've done the stuff I can think of,

1165
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: or I've imitated the stuff that I've seen so many times,

1166
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: and like, Okay, it's getting better, it's easier to do,

1167
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: it's faster, it's crisper, it's cleaner, whatever. But like, I

1168
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: don't know, I've been playing with us for a couple

1169
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: of years, and I think I'm bored with it. I

1170
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: think that's what will happen. I am.

1171
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see it plays out for sure, But

1172
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: that's that's my feeling at this time, is that I'm like,

1173
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: there's everyone has different things to offer. Artists have something,

1174
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: very creative people have something to offer, and you cannot

1175
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: replace it with a machine, and even a sophisticated one,

1176
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 2: you just can't. Like, there's there's some there's some line. Again,

1177
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: there's an invisible it's a big fat line. You know

1178
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: it when you when you when you see it. I

1179
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: can't tell you where it is, but there is one,

1180
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, and I think we'll we'll butt our way

1181
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: up against it pretty soon.

1182
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this, how about sex doll brothel?

1183
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Is it cheating? Hmmm? Because I know the.

1184
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: Answer, Oh you do? You know the right answer, correct

1185
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: one and only correct answer to this question? What is it?

1186
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: The answer is now, okay. Obviously, I think that is

1187
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: up for every couple to negotiate and come to their

1188
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: own terms on right or polycule or whatever. Whoever has

1189
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: boundaries for their for their personal romantic lives. But to me,

1190
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: it's a masturbatory aid. That's a toy.

1191
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: That's where I'm leaning. It would be like saying, oh,

1192
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: you're not a love, which some men don't. Some some

1193
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: people won't let their partners use use sex toys because

1194
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 2: they do feel like it's a violation of some kind.

1195
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: Or I've heard plenty of women say they don't like

1196
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: it when their husband's masturbate. So I don't know, like

1197
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: even with their just their hand, they're like, you shouldn't

1198
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: do that.

1199
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: My first girlfriend and we weren't having sex, but she

1200
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: told me, she said, I don't think that when a

1201
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: couple starts having sex, that the man should masturbate anymore. Yeah,

1202
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know what, I doubt she thinks

1203
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: that today we were I had no idea what we're

1204
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: talking about, but it was her understanding that was like,

1205
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: well that I should be enough for them, you know.

1206
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: And then of course you're like, probably in your head

1207
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: about what are you who are you thinking about? Are

1208
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: they different than me? How are they different than me?

1209
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: What do you wish? I was like, you know whatever,

1210
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: And the same for I think a lot of men

1211
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: that don't like sex toys is there is a sense

1212
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: of oh that that dildo's bigger than me, or I

1213
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: can't vibrate my dick, so you know, like you're getting

1214
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: something I can't provide, and it makes me feel insecure.

1215
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: But once we advance AI to the point of more

1216
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: like bionic enhancements and we merge, you can get you

1217
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: can have a vibrating dick.

1218
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: Is that the future we all want?

1219
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: With the mind of its own? Oh, I don't know

1220
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: about that true consciousness.

1221
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: That'd be funny if your vibrating dick was like I

1222
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: don't like this girl and just went.

1223
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: Flatt excuse me, that's my wife, like push the button.

1224
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: Override, override, I will say, just quickly to wrap this

1225
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: sex brothel thing up.

1226
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1227
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: The Vox article does say, and I find this ironic

1228
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: that a lot of human jobs are actually created by

1229
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: a sext brothel rather than taken away because of the

1230
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: amount of cleaning that has to take place. Oh between,

1231
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: So it's actually more expensive to run a sex doll

1232
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: brothel than a regular brothel.

1233
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so well, two or.

1234
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 2: Three people humans have to clean one doll.

1235
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: We may be removing sex workers jobs, but the custodial

1236
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: jobs were.

1237
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: Creative shooting up. Guys are doubling, which hopefully the pay

1238
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: is really good.

1239
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: It better be, because I'm not sure what I would

1240
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: charge for you to be for you to get me

1241
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 1: to hose out a sex doll of a hyperrealistic sex

1242
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: an artificially conscious sex doll who's probably like a little

1243
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: to the left. Please, oh god, don't forget behind that flap.

1244
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, girl, You're gonna need to probably detach my

1245
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: left leg to clean this one. I don't. I mean, hey,

1246
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: job's job, and people are willing to do all kinds

1247
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: of things I'm not willing to do, and I'm grateful

1248
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: for them.

1249
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: There's really any cleaning job I probably would not take.

1250
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy cleaning.

1251
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: Oh really anything I would.

1252
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: I know you said you would start a cleaning company.

1253
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: It's like it was down the list for me in

1254
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: my fallbacks.

1255
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you'd be get like an organizational company.

1256
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: To you, you're very organization Well.

1257
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: I was a trained closet planner at the container store

1258
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: for three years.

1259
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: So great people.

1260
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I could do your house pretty nicely.

1261
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: But I can't do my house though.

1262
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: I know right well, you know the cobblers kids go

1263
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: barefoot or whatever, the Cobblers kids. My first part of

1264
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: my laugh was me laughing at my joke. The last

1265
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: part of my laugh was me laughing at how tickled

1266
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: you were.

1267
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: I just want cobbler now, gobbler, geez, look at literally,

1268
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: look at the because we've we've already done our two

1269
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: commercial breaks and we're at an hour, and there's y'all.

1270
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: We have we we have, we barely scratched the surface.

1271
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: We have more, this is the problem. We have more.

1272
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: We have more about sex work for like humans, humans.

1273
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: Humans, remember them, right, I remember humans.

1274
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: We're out here selling sex too. Okay, it's not just

1275
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: a robots thing.

1276
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: Technically, do we sell sex a little bit? Because our

1277
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: job is based around sex largely, it's not very sexy. Well,

1278
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: we're not like giving sexual gratification.

1279
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: No, so, so I guess. I mean if you if

1280
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: selling sex includes talking about sex or being sexy while

1281
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: trying to sell a product, then everyone is selling sex.

1282
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: It's like Carl's Junior was selling sex with ladies on

1283
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: the of the car eating Burger's Carls.

1284
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: There's always selling sex. I gotta say. It's kind of like,

1285
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: so we're not, uh, you know, chefs selling food, but

1286
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: we're sort of like a food blog talking about food,

1287
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: so we're not. I guess we're not selling sex. We're

1288
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: just selling sex adjacent. That's been me my whole life.

1289
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: I was writing sex adjacent.

1290
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: I've been sex adjacent. Yeah a long time.

1291
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: Well, y'all are probably anxious to get back to your

1292
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: sex that you're all having, so we should take We

1293
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: don't have time. We didn't have time. We didn't even

1294
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: get to the mayor who married the crocodile.

1295
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: We sure did not. I promise that story.

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Speaker 1: You did. You said that right up front. You said

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Speaker 1: that was one of the first things you said we'd get.

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Speaker 2: To that's right, and there's some legislation still to look

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Speaker 2: at and stuff like that. So yeah, we're just gonna

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Speaker 2: have to come back next time with a little more stories,

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Speaker 2: more sex adjacent stories for you.

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Speaker 1: Y'all don't have time to listen to two hours of us,

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Speaker 1: and quite frankly, we don't have time to give you

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Speaker 1: two hours and then not at once. We have to,

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Speaker 1: we have to give you the certain number of episodes

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Speaker 1: to get out, and so yes, let us take a

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Speaker 1: long break as opposed to our usual three minute commercial breaks.

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Speaker 1: This one will be like a day or two, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll come back with part two. That's right, of

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Speaker 1: all these current what do you call it copulation? Current copulations?

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Speaker 1: We love alliterations here and ridiculous romance. Oh look at that, hey,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous romance. It's like it's right in the name.

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Speaker 2: And we will come back next time with the rest

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Speaker 2: of these amazing current copulations, and you can keep you

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Speaker 2: up to date absolutely what's out there in the world,

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Speaker 2: going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: You've got a right to know. That's right to right

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Speaker 1: to know. It's hard to have to give a chance. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and keep sending us your stories. Tag us in headlines

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Speaker 1: that make you think.

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Speaker 2: Of us, like look, look what it's brought us so far,

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Speaker 2: play so much content. But you can reach out with

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Speaker 2: any of your thoughts, suggestions, ideas, whatever you think about

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Speaker 2: AI consent, if you would ask a robot for its consent,

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Speaker 2: or whatever you think about any of this, We would

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Speaker 2: love to hear from you. Our email is ridict Romance

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You can follow us on Instagram. Send me

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Speaker 1: Show is at ridic Romance, So you can follow us

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Speaker 1: there and we'll and help us clean that up.

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Speaker 2: But until next time, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, Foye guy, So long, friends, it's

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Speaker 1: time to go.

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