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Speaker 2: Why, Okay, me me me okay. Hey hey hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're back. We're black. We're extra chocolate brown today because

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Speaker 1: A guest ambition ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, hey manrew Hello, gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Hello. I wish I could see and you could if

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Speaker 2: you watch our YouTube, don't play us.

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Speaker 1: Mandy's red lip is literally I'm just gonna call it

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Speaker 1: Mandy red because the way it's hopping off the screen.

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Speaker 2: Girl, the girls just need to not wear it. It

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Speaker 2: belongs to Mandy now, she owns it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. This is my I got twenty minutes to

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Speaker 3: get ready. Let me put on as something that'll make

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Speaker 3: you look like. I had more than that, but I

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Speaker 3: had to look good today, y'all because we have got

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Speaker 3: the most incredible guests in the studio who has You

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Speaker 3: probably may not recognize her by her face, but you

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Speaker 3: will recognize her by the artwork, which is the human

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Speaker 3: beings that she styles their hair for the red carpets

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Speaker 3: and movies and film and television. Her work is all

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Speaker 3: over the place. The inimitable Lacy Red red Way is

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Speaker 3: with us today.

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Speaker 4: Y'all can we get some stuff?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning guys.

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Speaker 2: By the way, favorite intro. Oh, I couldn't kept going

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Speaker 5: I gotta put that on my.

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Speaker 1: Days before you got it. I won't even I won't

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Speaker 1: even shave myself, but I will. Like they were like,

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Speaker 1: what are you brushing? So I brushed my locks? I

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Speaker 2: So they were trying to shave me.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, the girl washes her locks and when

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Speaker 1: y'all see me, you certainly give me my compliment.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, don't cough me.

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Speaker 5: Girls are having a moment, So no one should be

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Speaker 5: shading the Lost Girls because the way Chloe and Hallie

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Speaker 5: have been coming through with the inspiration, the Lost Girls.

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Speaker 2: Own it right now.

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Speaker 3: And you have the beautiful micro braids that I wish

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Speaker 3: I could sit for. I don't have the patience, Lacy,

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Speaker 3: Like my butt goes numb. I get tired. I don't

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Speaker 3: know anyway, I'm you look stunning.

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Speaker 4: You look stunning, so you guys look stunny as well.

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Speaker 3: Again, no one wants to listen to like black women

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Speaker 3: next to each other. We gotta like, come on now,

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Speaker 3: supporting each other. What is this but one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons we're so excited, So we're bo with Dove partners.

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Speaker 3: And that's sort of the connective I almost like connective

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Speaker 3: tissue that kind of sounds gross. That is the bridge

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Speaker 3: that is that has brought us all together. They have

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Speaker 3: this new hair care line that is all about kinky, coyly.

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Speaker 2: But no, and by the.

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Speaker 5: Way, I saw your instagram this morning, you know you

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Speaker 5: with your baby and your beautiful hair. You yes, that

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Speaker 5: whatever you did this morning, I mean you look great always,

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Speaker 5: But that red lip definitely need you need to tell

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Speaker 3: I use the Dove styling cream. I just my favorite

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, well you look great in congratulations on a

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Speaker 2: We can say that here, oh we can say that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, doing a dancing podcast rule. There's no SCC here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you follow her on ig y'all, which

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Speaker 3: from a young age you talk about moving here from Jamaica,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if that's not like a testimony about the power

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Speaker 5: It's like I could give you all the tools right here,

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Speaker 5: And I think what also sets me apart and makes

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Speaker 5: You know, and as black women, we often get pigeonholed

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Speaker 5: like I'm a hairstylist, so I can do everybody here. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I yes, I am a specialist and textured hair and

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Speaker 5: because I want. I don't want to see these models

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Speaker 2: But you know, but also call me for everyone else because.

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Speaker 3: I am Emmy Rawsam Curly right like I call it

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Speaker 3: that ice skating me. We should have done Disney years ago,

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Speaker 5: And shout out to my virgo virgo friend Emmy Ross,

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Speaker 2: Will love everybody. I'm a lever. We like we love right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I also love Leo so also and happy early birthday. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: my son's birthday is Monday. He's also a leader.

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Speaker 2: And also always have great hair.

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Speaker 4: The lane has gottappen.

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Speaker 4: You look at the heavy sigh So.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I understand the charge of it all, like you know,

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Speaker 5: So it's like the one patterns like the streeter more,

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Speaker 2: So I think language wise, there's still room.

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Speaker 5: For improvement of how we can categorize our hair, and

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, I think.

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Speaker 3: Of all the industries, I'm like, how was how is

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Speaker 3: jump right, Yes.

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Speaker 5: Why Walker and the Koreans you know in this You know,

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Speaker 2: Know that this too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder this too, And that's why I'm so

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're talking about black women in the industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not not.

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Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, a lot of times we're

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Speaker 5: looking for a handout from each other. You know, we

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Speaker 5: And it's so interesting me because I'm like, women, we

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Speaker 4: I'm so confused by that.

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Speaker 3: I'm so confused, Paul Mitchell, why is that the household?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like industries like that where you're just like hah.

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Speaker 3: Like it's like black black women doing black hair is

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Speaker 3: But almost like because of what you said, you know,

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Speaker 4: An art form.

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Speaker 3: It requires hours and hours of labor and love, yeah,

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Speaker 5: how to correct your work.

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Speaker 2: You know.

438
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Speaker 5: I do see sometimes, like you know, stylists that I

439
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 5: could tell don't.

440
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: Really have formal training.

441
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 5: By the way they even hold a sheer, you know,

442
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 5: like I could tell they don't really know how to

443
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 5: correct a haircut. It's just like, you know, it's good

444
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 5: to have the gift, but it's it's also good to

445
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 5: not like ruin someone's hair, to just have the information

446
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 5: to correct color, to correct a haircut.

447
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's getting juicier than Mandy's curls. But

448
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: we need to pause for the cause so we can

449
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: pay some bills and be right back with Lacy.

450
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: We're back and we're black and we're brown now, Lacy,

451
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: So what were you saying, girl?

452
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Speaker 5: You know, back to what you were saying about, like,

453
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 5: you know, business ownership. I think a lot of it

454
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 5: comes from like sometimes it's fear and we you know,

455
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 5: and not having the knowledge of like where to start,

456
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 5: you know, how to fundraise, you know, how to how

457
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 5: to get you know, the support to launch this you know,

458
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 5: this idea that we have. I think, you know, there

459
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 5: needs to be definitely more like some sort of education

460
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 5: that people feel that is accessible to them, that they

461
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 5: can you know, get more information about how to start

462
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: a business.

463
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Speaker 4: An example.

464
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Speaker 3: So I want to talk about I know that you

465
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 3: didn't follow the start your own salon route, But I

466
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: do want to talk about I mean, you're an entrepreneur,

467
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: like any woman is in her field. You have to

468
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: figure out what is fair for you to be charged

469
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Speaker 3: for the time that it takes. Can you talk about

470
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Speaker 3: how your like approach to or sorry, how you sort

471
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: of approached your pricing and your rates early on and

472
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: when I always ask so.

473
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Speaker 4: Many questions, I have so many things.

474
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Speaker 2: I talk about it.

475
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: When when did you feel.

476
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Speaker 3: Like, Okay, I'm a business, you know, and I and

477
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: I am providing for my family with this, but you know,

478
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: start up from the beginning of how you decided what

479
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: to charge people and how to sort of grow up

480
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Speaker 3: with that over time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I always approached it as a business,

482
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 5: you know, back like even before like I said, knowing

483
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Speaker 5: the word.

484
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Speaker 4: Entrepreneurship, I think you took yourself serious.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think I always kind of took myself serious. I

487
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 5: don't know if it's the virgo of me where you know,

488
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 5: like we very like want we we spired to be

489
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 5: as organized as we can be. But I always, yeah,

490
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 5: I always kind of approach it like a business and

491
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 5: knew that I had to, like reinvest into myself, you know,

492
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 5: to get myself to the next level. But I think

493
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 5: grow Wanting to grow is how I knew that I

494
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 5: needed to go to the next level. And like, you know,

495
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Speaker 5: each each time that I go to the next level,

496
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Speaker 5: I I would say, like starting out, you know, doing

497
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Speaker 5: hair and then wanting to work in a fashion industry,

498
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Speaker 5: I knew that I had to like have representation or

499
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Speaker 5: like have a portfolio, and those are the next steps

500
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Speaker 5: that I took towards, like you know, becoming a business.

501
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Speaker 2: And then once you.

502
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Speaker 5: Do that, you have you know, sometimes you get an

503
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Speaker 5: agent that helps manage you, and that kind of just

504
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Speaker 5: also helps create the business.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know you needed an agent to be

506
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: a stylist. So how does that work? How can that

507
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: help you? And how do you get noticed by an

508
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: agent with your portfolio?

509
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Speaker 5: Assuming so now now I would say, in twenty twenty three,

510
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: it's very different from when I start out, is it

511
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 5: chik talk, yes, intram talk. Yeah, you're like being the growth,

512
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 5: you know, the visibility you know, is so much quicker.

513
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 5: Like back in the day, I had to have a

514
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 5: nine x twelve portfolio. I had to drop it off

515
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 5: to different companies, or agencies to to say like hire me,

516
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 5: look at my work, what what I can do?

517
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Speaker 2: You know, like the audition of.

518
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 4: A top model when they had to go to yeah exactly.

519
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: To smile no.

520
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 5: But so it was it was a lot harder back

521
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 5: then to to sort of like get noticed. But now

522
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 5: you just have to go viral and a celebrity' dm

523
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 5: you like, hey, can you come through my hair? You know,

524
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 5: and and if you're smart about it, you will, you will,

525
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 5: you know, create a business. You will, you know, get

526
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 5: some business cards. I wish, I wish I had in

527
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: front of me my first business cards. I still have it.

528
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think you just have to take yourself seriously,

529
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: you know, to to really become a business. So about representation,

530
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 5: you don't have to be represented. I don't think that's

531
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Speaker 5: anymore that it's necessary. Back when I started, it was

532
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 5: because most of the big companies you wanted to work with,

533
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Speaker 5: like let's say you wanted to work with Macy's or

534
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 5: you know, Bloomingdale's or any of those companies, they worked

535
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 5: through agencies because you kind of have to like be

536
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 5: a vendor to work with certain brands, and it would

537
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 5: make it easier, as you know, someone that is like,

538
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 5: you know, doing a ten ninety nine to you know,

539
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 5: work with a company that you know would be easier

540
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 5: for the payment, you know, the payment structure of it

541
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Speaker 5: all because a they wouldn't they wouldn't take you as seriously.

542
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 5: They would kind of like try to downgrade your raids

543
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 5: that you were asking for and just even learning back

544
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 5: to your like your rate question like learning and the raids.

545
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 5: It's honestly, it's a game. I'm sick of the game

546
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 5: in the industry. I wish there was like a like

547
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 5: a chart or something that is like a standard. The

548
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: part of the industry that I work the most, which

549
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: is fashion editorial with celebrities, we don't have an we

550
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: don't have a union, And this is something I've thought about,

551
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 5: you know, working towards you know, for a long time,

552
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 5: so we don't have the protection. So like even now

553
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: with like the writers strike and the actors striking, it's

554
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 5: it's not just affecting them, it's affecting you.

555
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Know, artists.

556
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 5: I have a lot of friends that are not working,

557
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 5: especially the ones that live in LA that primarily work

558
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 5: in that part of the industry, because regardless if they

559
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 5: have an agent or not, if that stuff kind of

560
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 5: happens in the industry, it affects all of us, not

561
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 5: just the actors. And we're not getting those rates that

562
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: they get because when Netflix launches a show, or or

563
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 5: Disney Plus or whomever launches a show, we don't We're

564
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 5: not privy to how well the show is doing. They're

565
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: kind of like capping our rates at a certain amount,

566
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 5: you know, because you know, they don't see what we

567
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: do as important as they see what you know, the

568
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: actors and you know, whoever else contributes to to the projects.

569
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: But you know, the beauty part of it, which we

570
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 5: are in charge of, is so important because we create.

571
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: We're image makers. We create you know what.

572
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 5: You know, these women and and and people look like

573
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: you know, like we we help solidify their looks. And

574
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: because of what we do, it helps them get beauty

575
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: campaigns and get you know, ads.

576
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: And and get and plus you make it believable.

577
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Speaker 1: I think about Shandon Ron's is right bridgeton that like

578
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: if the hair is not right, it's like, what's going on?

579
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm distracted about the fact they're like, why does she

580
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: look like that? You know the hair?

581
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: And Queen Charlotte, yes, come on, have you seen it,

582
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: It's just amazing.

583
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: I haven't, but I've seen the visuals on the internet.

584
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because there's nothing worse in watching a thing

585
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: and being distracted by that's a.

586
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: Terrible wig, you know, or like that works for me, honestly,

587
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 3: I don't like it when I feel like it's unbelievable that, Like,

588
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: for example, Insecure, I love that show, but I'm like,

589
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: if Lisaid was so broke, how could she afford to

590
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: get her hair snatched like that?

591
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 5: All?

592
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: And I'd be so mad.

593
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: All.

594
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, that is not just regular. I feel

595
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: like black.

596
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: I feel like black women's hair on TV is like

597
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: the too big for Manhattan apartment. Like I'm always like,

598
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: could she have done that on her budget with the

599
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: time that she had?

600
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: Anyway?

601
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: I digress. Go back to rates for a second. So

602
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: does that mean that the agency will set your rates

603
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: for you? They'll tell you like depending I don't know.

604
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, depending on where you are in your career,

605
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 5: you know, Like obviously me starting now where I told

606
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 5: you I was charging five ten dollars, like today, you

607
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: can't get me five dollars.

608
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: By lazy Okay, that's basically yard.

609
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: Right, that's maybe late in the schoolyard, right.

610
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 5: But yes, essentially when you when you work through an

611
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 5: agency there and and sometimes the brands have their rates

612
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 5: come in, you know, like it's still kind of a

613
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 5: game to me, Like I get annoyed with it all

614
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: the rates game where it's like they'll come and they'll

615
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 5: ask ask for your time, but instead of disclosing what

616
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: their budget is, they're asking you.

617
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: How much you charge.

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Speaker 5: And I've been on jobs where I've seen rate discrepancies,

619
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Speaker 5: you know, where artists talk to each other, you know,

620
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 5: because we're trying to also protect each other, you know,

621
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: and someone else is making more than your making or

622
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 5: vice versa. And and that shouldn't be if we're on

623
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: the same job, doing the same project, it should be

624
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: the same across the board, you know. So there's still

625
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: that like that window of like not knowing and not

626
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 5: just you know, they're not disclosing the truth about how

627
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: much they have set aside for you know, for you

628
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: to work. So so they're trying to like cut corners.

629
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: And usually when they cut budgets, they try to cut

630
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 5: you know it from us first. So so yes, agencies

631
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: kind of help as the buffer between you and the client.

632
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: To have those conversations to you know, agents and managers.

633
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: You know, I think.

634
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: Nowadays as an artist that like is maybe like a

635
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 5: content creator, influencer stuff like that. I think a manager

636
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: is more useful than a traditional agent, which I started

637
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 5: out with in a business, because what we do now

638
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 5: is so much more complex than what they they have,

639
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 5: you know, come up to do. So essentially, when you

640
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 5: work with an agent, you get whatever the rate is

641
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: that the client provides, and then your agency will charge

642
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: a client a percentage of to book you, so they'll

643
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 5: make they essentially make the rates twice like you know,

644
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: they will make you know, two rates off of one job,

645
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 5: you know, because.

646
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: They get a commission from your they get a commission

647
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: from me as well, and then they charge on the interest.

648
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: Yes, So for me, over the pandemic, I've decided to

649
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 5: start my own business where I decided to bring my

650
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 5: business in house. Because as we're talking about growth and

651
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 5: how did you decide that?

652
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: When which and what? I started to realize that I

653
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: was the business, you know.

654
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 5: That it didn't matter what the umbrella was, I could

655
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 5: be at you know, I don't know, I'm looking at

656
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 5: stuff around my house to name like something Alexa dot com.

657
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at my Alexa.

658
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: Yes, well I plugged her out for that reason because

659
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: she gets to.

660
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: A like girl, I'm like, girl, I was not talking

661
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: to you.

662
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: And I'm really having a conversation with Alexa.

663
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: Like she's she's probably go too, yeah, she's.

664
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Speaker 2: The way she talks back.

665
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, I don't understand that, Like you know

666
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about.

667
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

668
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: Like, just like with this new business that you're starting, Like,

669
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: what are some of the challenges because so many people

670
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: who listen to us have businesses, maybe has a business,

671
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: I have a business. What are some of the surprise

672
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: challenges that you're like, I did not anticipate this.

673
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of surprise challenges. And you know

674
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: Alison who's on my who's on my team? You know,

675
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 5: I've known her from so long, like back when I

676
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 5: was like an assistant backstage, so she's seen the growth,

677
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 5: you know, from me from like baby lace to like

678
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 5: you know who.

679
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: I am today.

680
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of surprises you know you'll find,

681
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: you know, even like coming from an agency to like

682
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 5: now being independent on my own. There's so much that

683
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: they also help artists do so I I don't want to.

684
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 5: I don't want to sound like I'm downplaying playing them.

685
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 5: Although I've decided to take my business in a different

686
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 5: direction just because I would like to be more hands on,

687
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 5: like I don't like I don't like not knowing what's

688
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 5: going on in my business. I want to know every

689
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 5: area of what's going on from the start of the conversation.

690
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 5: But there are so many things that they can also

691
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: help provide, Like they help you put your portfolio together.

692
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: They host your portfolio on their website, so there's never

693
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 5: a case where you know, there's not a website up.

694
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Speaker 2: You know.

695
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: They also help you negotiate rates. They help you filter

696
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 5: jobs to you know, and advise you like you know,

697
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 5: maybe it's a it's a new television show of some

698
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: new actors that you might not you know know who

699
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 5: they are, but but you know they have promising careers.

700
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 5: Or maybe this would be an opportunity for you to showcase,

701
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 5: you know, different techniques that you're capable of, you know,

702
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 5: and grow with you know, the clients, like majority of

703
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: my clients, I've grown with them, like Tessa Thompson who

704
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: were talking about earlier, and I saw your Instagram where

705
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: you're like, you're gonna dive into the net.

706
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Gaes braided.

707
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 5: Oh, but we we started out like earlier in her career,

708
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: you know, like and earlier in my career. So it's

709
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 5: like we kind of like came up together in ways

710
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 5: trust and yeah, and and really that's that's what creates

711
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: longevity in your career. And that's also where you can

712
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 5: do your best work. You know, if you don't have

713
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: that trust, you cannot do your best work. So so yeah,

714
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: it's just like building the trust with anyone on your team,

715
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 5: whether it is you know your agent or your clients,

716
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: and and yeah, and growing together.

717
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 3: So I think that makes sense for you to beat

718
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: You're the brand now and you probably get so much

719
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: incoming work that has nothing to do with your agency,

720
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: So why would you take a Why would they get

721
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: a cut? It's like how you talk about Tiffany. You know,

722
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: if you bring your own speaking opportunities and your speaking

723
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: agent doesn't actually you have a deal worth she doesn't

724
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: get a cut.

725
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I have a spokes for an agent, but she only

726
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: gets if I send something to her, And I'm like,

727
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: can you negotiate this? But then if not, then I'm

728
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: just like girl, I'm like, oh, I got this, you

729
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: don't got to worry about that. And I like, because

730
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: to your point, Mandy, I was talking to somebody yesterday

731
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: and she's looking at overall management and I was like,

732
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't like for someone.

733
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: To eat off of the plate that they did not prepare.

734
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: And so it's one thing if like, oh, you negotiated

735
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: that contract, great, But then she was saying that this

736
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: management company she's going to join, that all of her things,

737
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: everything from if she got a TV deal, a book deal,

738
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: but what role did they play in that? So I

739
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: was just telling her to be careful. To your point, Lacey, like,

740
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: for some people, if you're coming up and you're new,

741
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: it might be great because you might not have access otherwise.

742
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: But if you're a little bit more established, you're like,

743
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: I can self generate business, and I don't want to

744
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: give up money if I don't.

745
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Have exactly exactly.

746
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: So to that point, I think an agency is very

747
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 5: useful and great first artists that are just starting out,

748
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: because if I'm not available, they're not going to let

749
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 5: that money walk out the door and be like, hey,

750
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 5: well we don't got Lacy Redway, but we got X,

751
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: Y and Z. Who's available, would you like to try

752
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 5: them out? And it's an opportunity for a newer artist

753
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: to be able to you know, create their their careers,

754
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: you know, from from being able to have access to

755
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 5: the clients that and and and the agencies already have

756
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 5: the sort of trusts you know, from these brands, so

757
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 5: they're more willing to hear them out versus like a

758
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 5: random person that might email them. But also you know,

759
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: to your point of like if someone didn't bring work in,

760
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 5: you know, they shouldn't be able to eat it.

761
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: You know, but there's still there's still a lot of involvement.

762
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 5: Like so now creating my own company, I do get

763
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 5: to see so much work that is still in like

764
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 5: even if someone's not bringing the work, like the negotiation,

765
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 5: the back and forth of the emails.

766
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: You know, I love that negotiations. I love getting all logistics.

767
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 5: So you know, it's like even if they're not, you know,

768
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 5: there's still work that needs to be done that you

769
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 5: don't want to do, you know, so it's like, yeah,

770
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 5: you just have to figure out, like how does this

771
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 5: structure work and how can we make this work? Even

772
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 5: if the calls are incoming, you know.

773
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: Can you talk about so you have a you have

774
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: your beautiful son. He said, his name is Avery, and

775
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: he's grown enough to like make fun of you.

776
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: How old is he now?

777
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: He's going to be eleven on. Oh wow, people believe

778
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 5: I haven't lived here. Yes, I just dropped him off

779
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: to acting camp this morning. He wants to be a

780
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: little actor, so you might see him one day and

781
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: you know, and something, yes, what.

782
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: Was your sorry?

783
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: Can you hear the vacuuming happening right about?

784
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: No?

785
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: No, no, no, okay, goodness, just me. We have a nice,

786
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: like quiet vacuum, but they bring their own and it's

787
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: like industrial Yeah, fundah, you.

788
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: Do that holidays?

789
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: Have you got a cleaning lady? I do every Friday? Yeah,

790
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: because we finally got universal date pre K in my area.

791
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: We are now saving like fifteen dollars a month that's

792
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: on daycare. And I was like, now we can afford

793
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: a clean Yeah. Yeah, so every Friday. But you'd be

794
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: amazed by Sunday. It is a shit show.

795
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't be amazed.

796
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: Because you know, but oh my god, I'm embarrassed. But anyway,

797
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: I was going to ask about your son. So as

798
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: a hairstylist, you know, I see we follow you. I

799
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: follow you on IG so I see that you know

800
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: you're traveling. You're probably by coastal and that can be

801
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: tough when you have a little one. So it's starting

802
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 3: your business. Is that offering you more balance? I hate

803
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: to use that.

804
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 4: B word that you know, balance, but you know what

805
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean.

806
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: I have so twenty twenty for me.

807
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 5: You know, although outside of my home there was a lot,

808
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 5: you know, it was horrible, like you know, people were

809
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 5: in shambles, like you know, there's so much happening, you know,

810
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 5: people losing their lives and stuff like that. But it

811
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: created an opportunity for me to restructure my business, you know,

812
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 5: so my models like work smarter, not harder, you know.

813
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: So it allowed me the time to kind of slow down,

814
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 5: to really fine tune and and and realize what is

815
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: what is it my what is my end goal? And

816
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: how do I want to go about approaching this. So

817
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 5: it did afford me more balance where I started to

818
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 5: rebrand and in ways where like I was doing more

819
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: endorsement things versus like going outside and and you know,

820
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: working on set. You know, where I can sit in

821
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: the comfort of my kitchen and and and you know,

822
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: and do sort of you know, something like this, although

823
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: I'm not being you know, this is not this is different,

824
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 5: this is just but you know, doing doing more speaking

825
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 5: engagements or consulting work.

826
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: You know.

827
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 5: I also started like consulting beyond beyond consulting where haircare

828
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: brands like them, you know, I dove into consulting video.

829
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: Games not crazy.

830
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: Have you ever played the Sims tip?

831
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: No, I've seen it, but I haven't.

832
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: I've never played the Sims either. No, but anyway I've heard.

833
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: I have friends who are obsessed with it, and I

834
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: was like, and you consulted with them on like the

835
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: black characters right their hair?

836
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: That is so dope.

837
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 5: And it's so crazy to me though that in twenty

838
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 5: twenty three there still was a gap came out in that.

839
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: Well look at who does video games.

840
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: It's some you know, It's what's crazy is that, Like

841
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: to your point, like I did this huge, this big

842
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: old campaign. I mean like like they flew me up

843
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: to LA, they went to some man. I get to

844
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: set and they're like, so you're gonna do your own

845
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: hair and makeup?

846
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: Right?

847
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: I was like.

848
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: This, there are thirty people here and I know you

849
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: spent so much money and I before I came, I said,

850
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: because I have makeup arts in Jersey.

851
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: I said, this is my color, this is you got

852
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: to give me that makeup artist. Your name is Alila.

853
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: She's awesome and so like I just couldn't fathom, Like

854
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: to this day, you're just like you still don't have

855
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: people think it's one of one of the reasons why

856
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: I have locks is because at least I know, you

857
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: got to don't touch it like this is you know,

858
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: I know what's it?

859
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: Like, my hair is super easy. I know, just leave

860
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: it alone.

861
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: But it's unfortunate though, because somebody's being paid yes, that

862
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 5: they're supposed to look at. Yes, So to get on

863
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 5: set and like, thankfully you're so self sufficient that you come.

864
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: Already camera ready because you yes.

865
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 5: But to think that there's somebody higher that's supposed to

866
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 5: do here and then they don't even have like oil

867
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 5: for you, I mean your scalp.

868
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: Or your little yes.

869
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: Literally every once in a while, like I did the

870
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson's show and almost wet because I was ready

871
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: to give myself in the artist. It was like girl,

872
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: sit down, he was a his I mean the edge

873
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: control I use now is something that he suggested. It

874
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: was just I was like, well, I forgot that there

875
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: are people who know how to do beyond you know,

876
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: one or two whatever great hair, and so I just

877
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: having Yeah, it's just really crazy and unfortunate. And I'm like,

878
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen that in your industry over and

879
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: over and over, like, do you see any change and

880
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: that that more and more people are learning to do

881
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm part of the change, and.

882
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful that, you know, God has chosen me

883
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 5: to be, you know, part of that change. So I

884
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 5: make it a point that when I do higher assistance,

885
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 5: you know I do. I try to keep the multicultural,

886
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: but I have a week's spot in my heart for

887
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: black women because we're not getting those opportunities. So a

888
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 5: lot of my assistants are black women because I want us.

889
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 5: It doesn't even matter if all the models are white, we.

890
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: Still won't be don't apologize at all.

891
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 5: Because A, you know, so often in the past I've

892
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 5: been the only one on set. So A, I'm bringing

893
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 5: people that also look like me and and and can

894
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 5: and we could do everything. When you can master textured hair,

895
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 5: you could you can master anything.

896
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: It's like you said that you know the training and

897
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: you got training, right, you went after you did you

898
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: complete your communications degree, and then you decided to do so.

899
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: I drop out of college.

900
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 5: No, I bet you loved that. I dropped out of

901
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 5: college and I and I just pursued. I dropped out

902
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 5: of college and I pursued doing hair full.

903
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: And you got license. But then you said, even through

904
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: that training, you don't learn how to do textured hair.

905
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: No.

906
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: I had a cousin who did a Paul Mental School

907
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: of hair, and then she was like, she's white, I'm

908
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: half white, and she's like, maybe can I come, Like,

909
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: can I use you as a as a as a

910
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: model so I can learn how to like do textured hair.

911
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: Of course she flat ironed it within an inch of

912
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: its like, no way. But you don't get the training there.

913
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: So where can people get Are they are they changing that?

914
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: Are you trying to be a part of that change too, Like,

915
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: let's get this in correct.

916
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: Yes, so I'm actually mentoring girls, you know.

917
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 5: I also like have a lot of salons have contacted

918
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 5: me asking to come in to, you know, do some

919
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 5: textured education for them, you know, bringing more stylists, you know,

920
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: in the industry that wouldn't didn't have access to the

921
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 5: type of work that you know that I'm doing, and

922
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 5: and and showing people on the producers on set that

923
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 5: you know, we are you know available, you know, call

924
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 5: us when you need help, you know, don't just hire

925
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 5: the same five men you know that you're you're you're

926
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 5: working with and and you know, and then also you know,

927
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 5: just like yeah, doing a lot of education and the

928
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: visibility is what also is inspiring people to either a

929
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 5: pursue the career that maybe have known how to do

930
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 5: hair or their whole life, but never really knew that

931
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 5: they can go this far you know, by doing you know,

932
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 5: doing hair and consulting. So so just yeah, just being

933
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 5: you know, someone that's visible, uh to people. I've had

934
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 5: people like all around the world like DM me, like

935
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 5: even mothers you know, to tell me that through my

936
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: work has inspired them to you know, learn how to

937
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 5: do their daughter's hair or or I've shown them how

938
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 5: to do certain things, or they've tried to like you know,

939
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 5: emulate something that I've done. So I would say the

940
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 5: education is really what is helping to the shift and

941
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: then the call out. You know, twenty twenty was a

942
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 5: big year for for the hair industry thanks to Black

943
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 5: Lives Matter, you know, calling out the industry and and

944
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 5: and and and it forced brands to realize that they

945
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 5: have to pay attention to us. You know, they have

946
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 5: to create products for us, they have to create opportunities

947
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 5: for us, and they have to pay attention.

948
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: We're not going anywhere.

949
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: We're here. And we're also necessary. You know, we're essential workers.

950
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: You know, we really are. So you know, there's still

951
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 5: a lot of work to be done. As I said,

952
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 5: we don't have a union you know, within the fashion

953
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 5: editorial and you know, styles that are working on celebrities.

954
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 5: It's wild, you know, so there is no protection for us.

955
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 5: You know, some artists don't even realize that they need

956
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 5: to have a deal memo. So it's like we need

957
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 5: also like business, like proper business courses of like how

958
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 5: to protect yourself because some artists don't know that.

959
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: And and to.

960
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: Back to the point of like agencies and like, you know,

961
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: working as a business. I think it's important to have

962
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 5: structure because that's how, you know, you protect yourself and

963
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: you grow to a certain you know, to beyond just

964
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 5: you know, what's accessible to you from you know, your neighborhood.

965
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 5: You know, If you want to be a global you

966
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 5: have to have some business, you know, proper business stuff

967
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: behind you.

968
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: Acumen you gotta get you gotta get a CPA, gotta

969
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: you know, establish an entity, which you probably you had

970
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: to do when you launched your business. I mean so,

971
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean, tell me the truth? Do I Can you

972
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: teach me in enough time for the Beyonce Show tomorrow

973
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: how to make that braided cowgirl hat?

974
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I would let you even borrow it.

975
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: But it's where there's.

976
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: The braided cowgirl hat is an Amusium Tessa hat.

977
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: It should it will be one enough. I'll make another one.

978
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 5: But Tessa has it as artwork in her living room

979
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 5: because you guys, so I went over to her house. Yeah,

980
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 5: so I went over to our house the other day,

981
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 5: that the other day, like a few months ago, and

982
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 5: I saw it as art on her shelf and I

983
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 5: was so I was so excited.

984
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how many hours did it take you

985
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: guys to break?

986
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was an all nighter.

987
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 5: I was still putting the hat together up until she

988
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 5: stepped out of her calm to go walking. That's the

989
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 5: reality TV that I yes, that's the that's the thing

990
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 5: people don't realize it was all night or it was me

991
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 5: and two of my assistants. We stayed up all night

992
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 5: creating this hat because it was like it was also

993
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 5: like a last minute idea, believe it or not, you

994
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 5: know that we decided to do this. So I did

995
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 5: what was it yours me and took me and Tessa

996
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 5: collaborates so well, so is that libra?

997
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: Is that libra? Virgal sell?

998
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: So I want to do a cowgirl hat?

999
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeh of yeah? Braids? Yeah?

1000
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 5: So yeah, so we our brains just gel So I

1001
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 5: think Tessa initially like dreamt up part of the idea

1002
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 5: and then you know, we just love braids, like we

1003
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 5: do so many braided styles together. Like we even had

1004
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 5: one year like a like a latext whip that you

1005
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 5: know for the met Gala. Like the Metgala is like

1006
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 5: the super Bowl of like red carpets for me. So

1007
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 5: that's where I go all out. But yeah, we yeah,

1008
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 5: we have to braid all these braids and then like

1009
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 5: you know, create the hat.

1010
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I'm looking at it.

1011
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: That's your craziest like celebrity hairstyling anecdote. You don't got

1012
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: to name names. I know that y'all don't name it

1013
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: in Hollywood, but you know, crazy good, crazy bad either one.

1014
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like earlier in my career, that's because

1015
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 5: now I I'm an energy person, so I don't take

1016
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 5: on clients, especially if I've worked with you once and

1017
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 5: you know, if the energy is not right for me,

1018
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 5: I don't want to work with you because you know,

1019
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: we also like we meet people and we get to

1020
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 5: touch them in such intimate ways, like we're like touching

1021
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 5: your scalp and we're touching it longer or your face,

1022
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: you know, and we're touching it longer than your partners,

1023
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 5: you know, and and you're at your most vulnerable with us,

1024
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: you know. So that's also how we we we get

1025
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 5: so close to clients and and and also that trust

1026
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: bond is formed because we get to see you at

1027
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 5: your most vulnerable, you know, your raw state, business, do

1028
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 5: my makeup?

1029
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, we are therapists, we are everything.

1030
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 5: But I would say early in my career, like reality,

1031
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 5: I've had to do some reality folks.

1032
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: That y'all know. I guess that I'm not saying no names,

1033
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: but you know, and I won't be back. Let's just

1034
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: say that. Let's just say that, but you know, it

1035
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: just always baffles me.

1036
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 5: How you know, It's like you should be so grateful

1037
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 5: that you know, people are hiring artists, you know, to

1038
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: come work with you, and and I, Yeah, it's just

1039
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 5: that like I just found, like early in my career

1040
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 5: when I've worked with some real all the people like

1041
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 5: just not not being gracious, you know, and grateful for

1042
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 5: the opportunities that they're you know, they're getting.

1043
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 4: It's what they're trunk.

1044
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: And also because I only ever get my hair done

1045
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: for like, you know, a big event that where we

1046
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: got we went to the Webbies, you know, a couple

1047
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: of months ago, and that was like one of the

1048
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: rare cases I get my makeup done, or like I'm

1049
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 3: going on TV and it's nerve wracking, and I feel

1050
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: like the energy is important. You know. You want people

1051
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: who are going to let you go out there and

1052
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: be your best self and they're not going to drain you.

1053
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: They're not going to get you off your game. And

1054
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: oh my lord, when I was when I was a

1055
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 3: reporter at Yahoo Finance, like I would leave the hair

1056
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: makeup and feel like I was the biggest thorn in

1057
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: their side. And why did my friz you know, come

1058
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: out and I should have just like flat iron my

1059
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: hair today, like that kind of thing.

1060
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: And I'm so.

1061
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 5: Awful that you had to have those thoughts, you know,

1062
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 5: because there wasn't enough people that they.

1063
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 4: Put them in my head. They handed them to me.

1064
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 5: Awful to that point of like, you know, a lot

1065
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 5: of artists don't realize that's so much part of the

1066
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 5: job is like, yes, it's important to be a fantastic hairstylist,

1067
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 5: but to have longevity, especially in the entertainment part of

1068
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 5: the industry, you know, where like I see so much

1069
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 5: like I see commentary online where like people see people

1070
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 5: on the red carpet and maybe that day something off

1071
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 5: about their glam because there probably wasn't a lot of time.

1072
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: And often when you're.

1073
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 5: Collaborating, like we call it a doing go where we

1074
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 5: get celebrities ready for like sometimes we get two hours

1075
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 5: to do full glam, hair, makeup, nails, styling, two hours,

1076
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 5: And that's not a lot of time when you think

1077
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 5: about it, because when you go to a salon, it's

1078
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 5: just you and your girl, it's just you and your stylist,

1079
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 5: and nobody else is touching them. Now, there's an art

1080
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: that there's like an art and a dance that we

1081
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 5: have to do with each other, you know, to work

1082
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 5: with you know this talent, and sometimes the other artists

1083
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 5: on the other side might not be your preferred artists,

1084
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 5: you know. And you still have to also then create

1085
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 5: a safe environment for that person that they can't feel

1086
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 5: any energy that maybe you know, maybe this person somebody

1087
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 5: you don't really mess with, you know, maybe this is

1088
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 5: not your you don't really like their work. Who knows,

1089
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 5: you know, but you have to create a safe environment

1090
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 5: for whoever it is. And and also be gracious to

1091
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 5: the other artists working. If somebody is doing liner, you know,

1092
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: you don't want the person's eye to get poked out,

1093
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 5: So you need to learn how to dance and like

1094
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 5: step back and give them their turn and take turns

1095
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 5: and and and and also not be annoying, like we're

1096
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 5: getting people ready for morning shows like good in Morning America.

1097
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: Them call times are like we know you have done

1098
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: that and you are here.

1099
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 4: Don't be annoying, it's.

1100
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 5: Yes, and and and also just learning etiquette. Set etiquette

1101
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: is so key, like you know, knowing how to read

1102
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 5: a room girl, you know.

1103
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: Intelligence, Yes, yes, it's true because I on set once

1104
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: where I would We were, you know, the the cameras

1105
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: are rolling all this, and then I hear crackle, crackle, crackle,

1106
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: crackle crackle. Someone support you know, who's supposed to They

1107
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: were eating fruit snacks.

1108
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: We just looked like fruit snacks.

1109
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, like a well chairs, yes, like.

1110
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: Literally just like you know, just you know, on set opening, yeah,

1111
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: just open it, just like and they're like, oh, is

1112
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: that noise? I was like, they were like, get off,

1113
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: like because it's so unprofessional, and You're just like, it's

1114
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: basic things like that. So I know, exactly because real,

1115
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: because you know, you're only trying to be like, so

1116
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: tell me more about how you lost your hot what's

1117
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: that crackled noise?

1118
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: You're like, now we got to roll tape again, right

1119
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: right right.

1120
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 5: But also being a good listener, you know, that's also

1121
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 5: a part of our job, you know, like learning what

1122
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 5: the client's needs are. And also it's like if I'm

1123
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 5: just meeting you, Mandy, and you've been styling your.

1124
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 2: Hair for you know, twenty one, you know, and never

1125
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: take she started yesterday, right, you.

1126
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 5: Know, you like, I want to learn about your hair

1127
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 5: through you and and and while yes, I have skills

1128
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 5: that will help you, you know, advance whatever it is

1129
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 5: that you normally like to wear, or show you how

1130
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 5: to style your hair in ways that you hadn't even

1131
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 5: thought of. But I still want you to feel and

1132
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,959
Speaker 5: look like you, you know, and for me that means

1133
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 5: listening and and creating a safe environment where there's that trust.

1134
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 5: And to me, those are the artists that last the

1135
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 5: longest in the business and have the longevity. And those

1136
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 5: are the also the artists that you know, brands might

1137
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 5: want to invest in, you know, because they're professional and

1138
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 5: they're showing up doing the good work, and and they're

1139
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 5: also you know, they can they can speak to you know,

1140
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 5: speak to people's hair, which is.

1141
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: And I think it's so smart because tif we've talked

1142
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: about this too in our business model and with it

1143
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: needs to meet with Mandy Money, like we're both in

1144
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: our in our different businesses, it's very much about us

1145
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: being the center and physically touching things and showing up physically.

1146
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: And it sounds like you too are thinking about with

1147
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 3: hair like you have to physically be there. You can't

1148
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: be hustling every day doing like you know, all this

1149
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: hair all the time. You're never going to see your

1150
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: kid your work life balance all that. So I think

1151
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: it's so smart to hear you talking about these other

1152
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: revenue streams that you have discovered as a business owner.

1153
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: Dancing for you can't keep dancing for dom No.

1154
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: But also, like you know, the mom guilty is real, right,

1155
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 5: you know, Tif. I don't know if you have any kids,

1156
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: but Mandy, you know, like just like going back and

1157
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 5: forth to LA or you know, traveling internationally.

1158
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: Like I've been.

1159
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 5: Blessed that God sent me a little boy that is

1160
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 5: so like his awareness is just beyond my understanding. I'm like,

1161
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 5: who are you? Like, like I can't even take full

1162
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 5: of credit because he's just it's just him, you know,

1163
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 5: and and and he's just so excited always for me

1164
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: and what I'm doing, and and and so supportive. But

1165
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 5: I feel guilty because not only am you know, the

1166
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: mom guilt, but I'm also like co parenting now I'm divorced,

1167
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 5: so you know, that's also hard because then you know,

1168
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 5: sometimes work comes up where weeks where I'm supposed to

1169
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: be with my son and and then I kind of

1170
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 5: have the shift schedules.

1171
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: Around, So that's tough.

1172
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 5: So I think, you know, creating other res revenue streams,

1173
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 5: and and and learning how to brand yourself and and

1174
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 5: and be the business is what's going to keep you,

1175
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 5: you know, being able to be a good parent and

1176
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 5: be present.

1177
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, my kids are still little, and I think you

1178
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: get the guilt tripping happens. I think when they're older

1179
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: and there's like they have activities and things too. Now

1180
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going to Beyonce and my inrios, Like,

1181
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: can I play with trains all day? O? Right, someone

1182
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: be here to play with me? Yes, you'll be fine.

1183
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: Can I dig in it dirt?

1184
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1185
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so that's incredible. And I think, you know,

1186
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: as you're building your business, I'm just like, I'm very

1187
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: excited for you. And you said you started it in

1188
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

1189
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: I went independent in twenty twenty.

1190
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: Yes, twenty yeah, okay, baby business.

1191
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 5: But I always had, like I've always you know, had

1192
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 5: to be like, you know, have an LLC. You know,

1193
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 5: like even because we're independent contractors. So even as I

1194
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 5: spoke about being represented by an agency, like they they

1195
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 5: don't essentially, well, I'm not an employee, you know. They're

1196
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 5: just like, you know, helping me to manage my incoming work.

1197
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You know, like a, yeah, you're a freelancer,

1198
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: so you got to still do your own taxs.

1199
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: You still be your business, but now you are businessman's

1200
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: like Jay Z, I'm a businessman.

1201
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: Oh I'm a businessman.

1202
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: Who was your first hire? Do you have full time

1203
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: staff or contractors? Like how did you still when I

1204
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 3: were talking about like pros and cons of full time

1205
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: versus contractor?

1206
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so I don't.

1207
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 5: I'm my only like full time employees, but I do

1208
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 5: have con people that I contract. You know, I have

1209
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 5: people on my team that helped me look after my

1210
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 5: contracts that comes in look after.

1211
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: My day to day you know, like it is ran

1212
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: like employees, but I can't afford to get nobody health care.

1213
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I'll say this that like stretch it out as long

1214
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: as possible, you know, just because you know so many

1215
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: people who I know and have been in business for

1216
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and I think to myself, like, oh, I

1217
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: was in such a rush to be like a big

1218
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: girl business. You've seen me with my employees and health care, and.

1219
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: It's too much.

1220
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 5: So so I mean, especially with not having this, you know,

1221
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 5: the security of what's going on in the business, you know,

1222
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 5: right now, the standstill you know, a lot of artists

1223
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 5: are really struggling, like they're having PTSD of twenty twenty

1224
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 5: where they were not working, you know, and the business

1225
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 5: just got stopped altogether. And then now with the strikes

1226
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 5: that are happening, you know, it's important to yes, have

1227
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 5: multiple revenue streams and you know, and I've been asked,

1228
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 5: like by other artists or different people on set recently

1229
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 5: of like, you know, how are you being affected by this?

1230
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 5: And truthfully, truth be told, like I'm not really being

1231
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 5: affected by it because I've always knew how to.

1232
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: Pivot in my in my career. So I do hair period.

1233
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 5: So whether I'm doing you know, a famous person's hair

1234
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 5: or I'm doing somebody's here at the shop, I'm gonna

1235
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 5: get money.

1236
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make money.

1237
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 5: No one can take that core skill, right, that skill

1238
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 5: for me. And as I said, we are essential workers,

1239
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 5: you know. So it's like, no matter what's going on

1240
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 5: in the world, like you will always have beauty, you know,

1241
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 5: Like the beauty industry was booming, you know, for for

1242
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 5: brands because people were like at home buying the products

1243
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 5: and you know, while they were trying to figure out

1244
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 5: what to do with their hair in twenty twenty, right,

1245
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 5: you know, so, and and for me, like you know,

1246
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 5: just even working on set, like it's important for me

1247
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 5: to have like products that can work across all the

1248
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 5: hair types and textures that I work with, you know,

1249
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 5: so so I do like to like keep stuff like

1250
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 5: that in my kit. But yeah, just like knowing how

1251
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 5: to pivots.

1252
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that that that's sort of like a

1253
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: key takeaway is keeping your your core skill. And I

1254
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: just love how you have turned this skill, you know,

1255
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: hairstyling into this budding empire, you know, and this career

1256
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 3: with such longevity. I think you're so smart and so savvy.

1257
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, inspiring, I hope I'm listening to inspired.

1258
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 5: Thank you, And just like I'm just also now excited

1259
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 5: to like be a consultant, you know, as we were

1260
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 5: touching on like me consulting on the SIMS video game.

1261
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's important to open your portfolio

1262
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 5: to spaces that is unfamiliar for you. Like, I love learning,

1263
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 5: and that's what keeps me excited about doing different things,

1264
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 5: you know, always being a student and everything that I do.

1265
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 5: You know, so even being like you know a hairstyles

1266
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 5: that I am today, I'm still always trying to improve

1267
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 5: on my techniques. There's always new techniques that are happening.

1268
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 5: There's always new products that are coming in that are

1269
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 5: that's supposed to make your life easier, you know, and

1270
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 5: I just like always want to just learn and and

1271
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 5: just expand my portfolio. So now being a consultant for brands,

1272
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 5: I'm finding joy that because it does give me more

1273
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 5: flexibility with my schedule. And then it's also a challenge

1274
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 5: like working with the the you know, the programmers of

1275
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 5: the video games and and understanding the technology. You know,

1276
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 5: like it wasn't as easy as I thought it would

1277
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 5: have been, you know, because there are restrictions in that

1278
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 5: area of like you know, trying to make you know,

1279
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 5: coils or like you know, trying to make a greatest

1280
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 5: style move fluidly as the moves.

1281
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: It's challenging, but it's exciting for me. So I know

1282
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: that AI is scary for.

1283
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 5: Most people, you know, as they're talking about in an

1284
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 5: industry because that's what you know, that's what's affecting the strike.

1285
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 5: But you know, technology has been scary over time, right

1286
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 5: like when the Internet first came out, like people were scared,

1287
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 5: you know about like how did would this affect us

1288
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 5: and you know, and just like there's so many different

1289
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 5: things that people have been fearful of, but I think

1290
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 5: just getting educating yourself is really what's going to make

1291
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 5: you not as afraid of what's to come.

1292
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 4: You know it's to come for you.

1293
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: As like a final question I want to hear, I mean,

1294
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: will it be a Lacey Redway hair care line or

1295
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: product line tools line like where Ross but pattern? Yeah,

1296
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: I got more space on my showershelf. Okay, I'm very

1297
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: rand diagnostic. I love all the colors of the rainbow,

1298
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: and I would definitely have a space for some Lacy products.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that is a dream a goal of mine.

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Speaker 5: And definitely, you know, children's book Like my son is

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Speaker 5: a writer and and he he wants to not just

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Speaker 5: act but direct and he also makes comic books. So

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Speaker 5: I would love to like create some you know, children

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Speaker 5: books with him for sure, But like my immediate stuff

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Speaker 5: that's happening, Like you know that I work with Dove

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Speaker 5: and you know, and I work on their haircare brand.

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Speaker 2: But definitely one day I aspire to you know, co

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Speaker 2: either co create with brands.

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe Dove will hit me up like, hey girl,

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Speaker 5: let's do some stuff together, you know, and because you know,

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Speaker 5: I love when I do. When I do step into

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Speaker 5: that role, I do want to make sure, yes, we

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01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 5: need products. I still feel like there's a gap, you know,

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Speaker 5: with like enough things on the market for you know, kinky, coyly,

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Speaker 5: curly hair types. But you know, I across the board.

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 5: So I do want to also, you know, make sure

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Speaker 5: that there's products available for everyone, because that's how I

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Speaker 5: keep my kids stacked, you know, Like I do have

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Speaker 5: you know, the Dove serum that I keep in my

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 5: kid that works with all of the hair types.

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Speaker 4: I haven't tried the serum yet. Yeah, send me the serum.

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01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: I get you the serrum.

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Speaker 4: The word serum. I'll pay for that. I'm like, you

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: call it a serum and I want it.

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like it's like a yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: a repair serum.

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Speaker 5: So it helps, you know, hydrate your hair and helps

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01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 5: reduce friz unwanted frizz, you know, and it for me,

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Speaker 5: it works across all the hair types that I work on.

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Speaker 5: So it's great to have my kid. But yeah, what's

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Speaker 5: to come for me is just yeah, more you'll see

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Speaker 5: more Lacy Red Wave branding somewhere.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited for you, and you seem so well

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Speaker 3: deserved and like you said, so gracious about it all.

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Speaker 3: I can totally see why people are like, I want

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01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: to have Lacey, Like Priyanka Choper is like, get me Lacey.

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: I need her, you know, because your vibe is just

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01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: so Yeah, it's just afray of sunshine with those sunflowers

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Speaker 3: behind you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's that.

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Speaker 1: That's not Jamaicans say. You know, Jamaica is like the

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: most beautiful islands. So it's like, girl, that just produces like,

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01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: first of all, just beautiful people and.

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Speaker 2: That you can't. You can't be Jamaica come from this beauty, can't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, although you know American, some American people will back

1347
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 5: to different when you go into the Jamaican Uh, that's different.

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Speaker 2: Girl to order the flo.

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Speaker 1: Patti don when, but you know what she I don't

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01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: want it because the food's not gonna be good.

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Speaker 5: Get right, And she's honest. One thing where we are

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Speaker 5: honest people. So if we tell you what you want

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Speaker 5: the left.

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01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, like Patti done a couple early Patty's dunk right, and.

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Speaker 5: We're not Yeah, we're not going to sell you nothing

1356
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 5: to say, yes exactly. So, yeah, we are very prideful people,

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Speaker 5: I will tell you that. So, like even in my work,

1358
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 5: like it was, I gotta be proud of whatever I'm doing.

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 5: So even in the collaboration and like being on set,

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01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 5: you know, like being a hairstylist can be challenging on

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01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 5: set because you have to make so many different people happy,

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 5: you know, like you have to make the talent happy,

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 5: you have to make the photographer. You know, there's very

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 5: opinionated stylists. You know, the client which is like whoever

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 5: you're shooting for, and make everyone feel like you're giving

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Speaker 5: them what they want, but still stay true to your artistry.

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Speaker 2: That is that is a skill. Yeah, just here that

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Speaker 2: that's part of the art.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can do how to do a masterclass,

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Speaker 3: all the cele master classes now on hair for sure, I.

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Speaker 5: Want to go with Ted talk. So I'm putting that

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Speaker 5: into like that that's my.

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 4: Goal when they why talk the power of reality show?

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Speaker 4: Let them know.

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Speaker 5: But you know it really though, is a skill, you know,

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01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 5: and and sometimes it is hard for artists that are

1377
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 5: coming from a salon space to transition into the creative

1378
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 5: space because it's all those kind of set.

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Speaker 2: Etiquettes and like learning how to do that dance, and

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01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: like learning how to maintain.

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Speaker 5: Your your voice and who you are, who you feel

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 5: you are as an artist and you know, again making

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Speaker 5: everybody happy.

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: You know what you're providing, it's it is a skill.

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Speaker 3: Well, hopefully they can shadow you and just learn from you. Well,

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Speaker 3: y'all can check out Lacey on ig when her when

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Speaker 3: her websites up. I'm sure you'll let your followers know.

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01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: But who goes to websites?

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: Right? No, honestly your analogy.

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the business card of the internt of like

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 3: it is Internet. No, it really a website.

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01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 5: Anytime someone is looking to hire, they go to Instagram first.

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01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 5: They are not going to websites. They Instagram or they

1394
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 5: or they google you exactly. And if you google Lacy

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01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 5: you will find so much amazing, incredible work that she

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Speaker 5: has done, including with Duve. Congratulations on all your success

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 5: and the success to come. Happy early birthday to your

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 5: baby boy, Avery.

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Speaker 4: Thank you as well, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Beyonce is kicking it off. Okay, that's how we're gonna

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: kick off Leo season, Mandy season.

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: Yes, I had a Virgo virgo following up.

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: You'll get your moment, all right, let you finish a

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: whole day track on renaissance.

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01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys got it.

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 4: Virgoes groove.

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Speaker 3: I don't identify with it, but like I'm having four y'all. Anyway, Well,

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Speaker 3: one day I'm going to manifest. Lacey will touch my

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Speaker 3: curls and I will just get to feel. I'm gonna

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 3: manifest it.

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 3: I don't know how, I don't know where I would

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 3: love that. I don't think I'm going to the met

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Speaker 3: anytime to figure it out. Lacey Redway, thank you so

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: much for just embodying brown ambition and for joining us

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Speaker 3: on our podcast.

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Speaker 4: It was such a pleasure to have.

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Speaker 5: You've been a joining of the Angel You guys have

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 5: been fantastic. Thank you so much for having me and

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 5: for introducing me to your audience.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely