Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama queens up girl fashion,
Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl, you could sit with us Girl
Speaker 1: Drama Queens, Na, Queen's Drawn, MC Queen's Drama Drawn, McQueen's Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Hello, Friends, and One Tree Hill Family. Wow, we
Speaker 1: are on season two, episode eight, Team the Lonesome Road.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say, but wow, I know
Speaker 1: what I'm going to say. I know what you're gonna say. Um.
Speaker 1: This show originally aired April two thousand five. Let me
Speaker 1: give you the synopsis and then, uh, then we'll really
Speaker 1: get into it. On his way home from seeing Haley, which,
Speaker 1: if you remember from last week, really didn't go well,
Speaker 1: Nazy stops to visit Taylor m hoping for some fun
Speaker 1: and maybe more gross. Meanwhile, Anna gets a surprise visit
Speaker 1: from her old girlfriend. Oh my god, what good scenes
Speaker 1: these were, and is inspired to finally come out to
Speaker 1: her parents. Lucas works with Andy to try to bring
Speaker 1: Dan down. Karen puts her foot down with Brooke, who
Speaker 1: gets grounded and Peyton and Jake continue to hide baby
Speaker 1: Jenny from Nikki don Donda. Well, much like our episode
Speaker 1: this week where there was no Hailey to be found,
Speaker 1: Joy is being a cool mom and it's like on
Speaker 1: a school field trip going across country right now, So
Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to talk about her. She's taking
Speaker 1: Maria on a pretty rat adventure and we just couldn't
Speaker 1: make today work. So we'll miss her like we did
Speaker 1: then when she went on tour and we stayed home
Speaker 1: without her. God, it just the show loses something without her,
Speaker 1: It really does, and we felt it in this episode.
Speaker 1: Can I just say it? Can I just I hate
Speaker 1: this episode? I know, I hate this episode. It is
Speaker 1: my least favorite episode. The misogyny is strong wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot that isn't good. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like you said that, Anna, scenes in this episode should
Speaker 1: have been served up on a golden platter because they
Speaker 1: are beautiful, and Danielle Alonso is like finally getting this
Speaker 1: like grand opus of her character coming full circle, and
Speaker 1: it just gets lost in the bush. Well, and you
Speaker 1: know what's interesting. So I was thinking about this as
Speaker 1: I was watching it. Because for for our friends at home,
Speaker 1: we normally watch these episodes together. We get on zoom
Speaker 1: um if we're not you know, obviously in the same city,
Speaker 1: and we watch them together. That's where all the reaction
Speaker 1: videos come from. And sometimes we're very shocked by things
Speaker 1: we didn't we really did. They needed to be buried um.
Speaker 1: But you know, then we jump into the podcast and
Speaker 1: we talked about it because we've just done it together.
Speaker 1: We've all been scribbling notes and laughing about things. And
Speaker 1: because this week is crazy for us Joys on the road,
Speaker 1: we've all got a bunch of stuff going on, we
Speaker 1: had to watch the episode separately. So Hillary, you were like,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. You were like you were You were like,
Speaker 1: this twenty minute coyote ugly sequences and here's what's wild.
Speaker 1: So I was like, prepped, I didn't remember what this
Speaker 1: episode was, you told me, so I was prepped for it.
Speaker 1: And when the sequence started, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: is this mine like internalized misogyny for the early two
Speaker 1: thousand's that I think this is kind of cute? And
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, yep, I see what. I
Speaker 1: see what my sister is talking about. Because the cute
Speaker 1: has ended. Now it's gross. Now these poor girls whose
Speaker 1: you know names nobody even knew who got hired n
Speaker 1: Taylor's coworkers are like smacking their asses and gratuitous close ups. Oh,
Speaker 1: and it's still going for minutes every minutes and minutes
Speaker 1: and minutes and minutes. And I was like, yeah, and
Speaker 1: let those girls lovely the dancers, beautiful girls criticizing them.
Speaker 1: It's not it's what the people in charge decided to
Speaker 1: do with minutes of screen time with a bunch of
Speaker 1: young women. They took it from like a cute a
Speaker 1: potentially cute moment and made it just about like gyrating
Speaker 1: bodies and booty close ups with no to your point,
Speaker 1: no dialogue for these girls, no fun, bar banter, no
Speaker 1: oh that's the that's the brother in law, like nothing
Speaker 1: that advanced the story. And I just really didn't like it.
Speaker 1: I see, I wouldn't steer you wrong. Maybe I know
Speaker 1: you never would, but I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to tell her I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I went from not hating
Speaker 1: it to really hating it. Look, I loved Coyote Ugly
Speaker 1: when it came out, and I bought leather pants at
Speaker 1: the Wilson's Leather in the mall with such a quickness
Speaker 1: because I was working at the Buffalo Wing factory back
Speaker 1: home in Virginia and was like, I'm on a bartend
Speaker 1: in leather pants too, you know, in the middle of summer,
Speaker 1: because that's hot. Um. But this there's a male gaze,
Speaker 1: and there's a male lens that we've talked about quite
Speaker 1: a lot, and so there's good stuff in this episode
Speaker 1: that gets grody because you're looking at it through that
Speaker 1: male lens. Like Brooke not knowing how to mop in
Speaker 1: this episode and being down on her hands and knees
Speaker 1: made me so mad. Sophie, I know I did. I
Speaker 1: gotta say, I think again. I was prepped. It's like
Speaker 1: when you go to a movie thinking it's going to
Speaker 1: be great. It isn't. You're let down, but when somebody
Speaker 1: tells you it's not great, you're like, actually, I thought
Speaker 1: it was kind of good. I I thought the scene
Speaker 1: I and I forgot about it. I forgot shooting that.
Speaker 1: So the memory that came with it made me laugh
Speaker 1: so hard. I thought Brooke Davis having no idea at
Speaker 1: a mapa floor and using a sponge like looking up
Speaker 1: me as her looking up and Lucas going is that wrong?
Speaker 1: I burst out laughing. I was like this is this
Speaker 1: to me is funny. But I also was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make Hillary so mad. I'm just like, why
Speaker 1: do we have this girl that just accomplished so much
Speaker 1: back on her hands and knees? How do we get
Speaker 1: that girl? I will say what I didn't like about
Speaker 1: it was the way that it was shot. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: literally had it had me positioned in a in a
Speaker 1: way with a man standing behind me that I thought
Speaker 1: was not classy. I thought the shots and the humor.
Speaker 1: Then again in the camera angle and this is sort
Speaker 1: of a production note that I didn't like. I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: you could have put the camera in a space where
Speaker 1: my head was like level with his chest, not with
Speaker 1: his groin, Like that's gross and to your point, that's
Speaker 1: male gish that just as an actor especially, you don't
Speaker 1: know that's happening to you because not behind the monitor,
Speaker 1: you can't see the angle. And that that was what
Speaker 1: I didn't like. I I liked the innocence of you know,
Speaker 1: the Brooke Davis who has never done chores. But I
Speaker 1: didn't like that. The comedy of that is adorable, and
Speaker 1: there was a way to do it in an adorable way.
Speaker 1: And and you on your knees with a man living
Speaker 1: a boy looming over you. I didn't like that. There's
Speaker 1: a punchline in there that doesn't have to be said
Speaker 1: out loud, but the viewer sees it, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's and to your point, I think that this is
Speaker 1: an important conversation, like we all are better when we
Speaker 1: are willing to examine nuance and when we're willing to
Speaker 1: be honest and frank about what's good and what's not.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this episode is. Like. The
Speaker 1: Anna stuff was really good. The way that they were
Speaker 1: gross to those girls who they didn't even give any dialogue,
Speaker 1: and the coyote ugly rip off was not good. The
Speaker 1: humor in the brook and Lucacino when he says, Brooke,
Speaker 1: this is a mop like there was some gold you know?
Speaker 1: Is that wrong? I'm never going to stop thinking about it.
Speaker 1: There was some comedic gold there that was you mind it,
Speaker 1: you did it? Thank you? I will take it like
Speaker 1: that was good, But then the way it was shot
Speaker 1: was bad, and it I think for us all of us. Really,
Speaker 1: it's always good to go back and look at how
Speaker 1: we can examine that those dualities and things we've done work,
Speaker 1: we've done experiences, we've you know, whatever the thing might
Speaker 1: be that you're looking at, so that you can more
Speaker 1: quickly spot the good in the bad in the present
Speaker 1: and try to filter out the bad. So, you know,
Speaker 1: there were things about the episode I liked. To man,
Speaker 1: there were things I really did not Well, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: set the table with this because guys, just so you know,
Speaker 1: Sophie and I conferred before we taped this podcast because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to be Debbie Downer, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like this one sucks, but
Speaker 1: also this one sucks. Um. But then we also were like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: what else was going on in two thousand five that
Speaker 1: was questionable? Because there's a ton of questionable in this episode,
Speaker 1: you know, like Peyton tells like a white trash joke
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel great. It's cringe E. It's cringe E.
Speaker 1: But back then, you know, people were still saying all
Speaker 1: sorts of inappropriate stuff, and so we pulled up a list.
Speaker 1: Hold on, we've got a list of two thousand five
Speaker 1: movies and songs, so we we wanted to know what
Speaker 1: was popular. End that might be a little cringeing. Now evolved,
Speaker 1: we've got the top movies of two thousand five were
Speaker 1: Into the Blue Hitch, the Dukes of Hazard, Wedding Crashers,
Speaker 1: an American Pie Band Camp. I mean, it's not jokes
Speaker 1: in those movies, so many dick jokes in all of
Speaker 1: these things. They they had a theme. And then the
Speaker 1: songs of two thousand five, Don't You by the Pussycat Dolls,
Speaker 1: gold Digger by Kanye West, My Humps the Opus by
Speaker 1: the Black Eyed Pieces, Art, Just a Little Bit by
Speaker 1: fifty Cent Candy Shop by fifty Hey, a Big Year
Speaker 1: rob It Like It's Hot by Snoop Dogg, which I
Speaker 1: would say stands the test of time. That is a
Speaker 1: classic that one can still get, it can stare in.
Speaker 1: Is the duality it's like, it's like it could be
Speaker 1: a whole era of dick jokes and songs about boobs
Speaker 1: and butts. You drop it like It's Hot is iconic.
Speaker 1: I'd like to keep the drop it like It's Hot
Speaker 1: and veto the the misogyny and the Confederate flag permanently.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'd like. I think those should should
Speaker 1: go away, but we should we should keep snoop. I
Speaker 1: mean got the super Bowl halftime show. We all outed
Speaker 1: ourselves this year at the super Bowl. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was made me so happy. It was My son
Speaker 1: thought I was so cool because I've met so many
Speaker 1: of them from MTV and gust It's like, you've met
Speaker 1: these people and I'm like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Mom's cool. Dude, you don't even you know? Um was weird.
Speaker 1: I mean it was weird. Also, where I know we've
Speaker 1: talked about is but really the me mopping scene, I
Speaker 1: was like, where are the rest of my pants? Girl?
Speaker 1: There was such an enormous space between where my shirt
Speaker 1: ended and where my pants began. And that's why people
Speaker 1: started getting tramp stamp tattoos, just to like bridge the gap,
Speaker 1: bridge that giant gap of just pale flesh. Oh man,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not too late. We could still get those.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I want one. I've thought about
Speaker 1: where I might want my next tattoo, and I just
Speaker 1: don't think that's ever going to be a place for me.
Speaker 1: You know what I would like to do, though, I
Speaker 1: think perhaps we should make some temporary tattoos and maybe
Speaker 1: for like a week, that'd be fun. That's a good idea,
Speaker 1: stamp for a week. Also, are we allowed to say that?
Speaker 1: Is that a term that lives in two thousand five? Again?
Speaker 1: Tramp stamp? You know? And like, un we always called
Speaker 1: those tank tops wife beaters, which is like, no, there's
Speaker 1: a whole learning curve that is good. It's a good thing,
Speaker 1: and so we are going to accept that. We love
Speaker 1: our show. We love the characters on our show. We
Speaker 1: don't like certain elements, we don't like certain words that
Speaker 1: are used. The white trash thing really made me feel
Speaker 1: awful in this episode. No, it's disgusting. How in the
Speaker 1: same show, then, do you have this storyline with Anna?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the glowing moment of the show. I
Speaker 1: have to okay, Anna and Darby, Yes, and Jake and Whitey.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was good, really winning moments. But yes,
Speaker 1: let's let's start with Anna. I am I just love
Speaker 1: watching Daniello work and it's funny. This episode gave me
Speaker 1: the same feeling I had um when she came on
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom. Did you watch that show, that Nancy show? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: oh yes, I love that show, and when she came on,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Daniella, and it was
Speaker 1: such a joy to to see her embodying that character,
Speaker 1: you know, this young mom. And it's really interesting, having
Speaker 1: seen her, you know, in a more recent project, to
Speaker 1: go back and watch her and just be like, God,
Speaker 1: you can see the you can just see it in
Speaker 1: her all the way back to two thousand five. She's
Speaker 1: so present and vulnerable, and what I like so much
Speaker 1: is that she's not afraid to hide the struggle that
Speaker 1: Anna is going through. She she doesn't you know, memorize
Speaker 1: her lines in a way where they just tumble out.
Speaker 1: She finds the words and you know when for again,
Speaker 1: for the folks at home, when you've shot a scene
Speaker 1: eighteen times, to make it look spontaneous, you know, requires
Speaker 1: some technical skill. And I just of watching her. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and Darby coming on. This character of Darby played by
Speaker 1: Spray graydon Um. I've seen Spray Grayden and so many
Speaker 1: different things everything. I hope I'm saying her name right
Speaker 1: because I get self conscious about that. But we've done
Speaker 1: like four different shows together. She was on One Tree Hill,
Speaker 1: White Collar, Lethal Weapon, and Gray's Anatomy and so whatever
Speaker 1: casting director Yeast of these shows, they're like, yes, these
Speaker 1: are the kinds of girls that we like. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: also they're like when you need somebody to come in
Speaker 1: for an episode and really hit hit a home run
Speaker 1: and get her so talented beautiful, it's a part that
Speaker 1: could have gone It could have gone sideways. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know when you're only doing one episode
Speaker 1: of a show. She plays this like beautifully nuanced character
Speaker 1: in just one episode, Like she should have had four
Speaker 1: episodes to kind of play this out and check in
Speaker 1: and dance around Anna on figure out their feelings. She
Speaker 1: gets it done in one. She's got the great scene
Speaker 1: with Lucas where Anna doesn't really know how to introduce
Speaker 1: her and then goes for it. Yeah, frankly, I'm jealous
Speaker 1: that Lucas got all those scenes, Like I'm like, where's Peyton.
Speaker 1: She's been the one like defend me here. I know
Speaker 1: you're like, excuse me, this is my friendship. But it
Speaker 1: was important to see a boy accepting of this friendship
Speaker 1: in two thousand five, when this was still an uncomfortable
Speaker 1: conversation to have, and to have a boy celebrate it,
Speaker 1: you know and be like I'm gonna miss you as
Speaker 1: a friend. Um. The work that Chad got to do
Speaker 1: in that storyline I'm jealous of. I know it was
Speaker 1: really really nice for him, and I do think it's important.
Speaker 1: We are more accustomed to women modeling vulnerability and acceptance
Speaker 1: with each other, and so to have a boy do
Speaker 1: it to teach viewers that, you know, these two girls
Speaker 1: who had been in love were not a punchline does
Speaker 1: feel important, especially in two thousand five. You know, it
Speaker 1: hit me so hard because we were talking in advance
Speaker 1: of this about what's changed. And in the one of
Speaker 1: the later scenes between Darby and Anna, when Darby is
Speaker 1: explaining to Anna how she came out to her own
Speaker 1: parents and what went well and what was hard, and
Speaker 1: she talked about, you know, it was hard to see
Speaker 1: some of their dreams Spanish. Oh my god, Sophia, that
Speaker 1: was horrible. It broke me because and I went, wow,
Speaker 1: there are kids who are watching One Tree Hill now
Speaker 1: who didn't experience two thousand five, when if you were
Speaker 1: in a queer couple you couldn't get married. It was illegally. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was illegal for two people who are in love
Speaker 1: with each other to marry each other, which is so insane.
Speaker 1: It's insane. And the idea that you couldn't have children,
Speaker 1: that that was a dream that went away. God, I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you said that, because I wrote it down
Speaker 1: here in my notes, And yes, like you, I was
Speaker 1: floored because the change in our lifetime is vast and
Speaker 1: I hope it continues to get better and better and better.
Speaker 1: And it's always going to be a fight, it just is.
Speaker 1: And so we're down for the fight. And I'm proud
Speaker 1: that we were on a show that was a part
Speaker 1: of the fight, you know, in the early days. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that that reality is it still feels icky. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and look, you know, we're we're here to analyze our show,
Speaker 1: but it does feel um in this particular moment. While
Speaker 1: while we're analyzing a show that's pretty evergreen, we are
Speaker 1: talking about change and progress and there are laws happening
Speaker 1: all around the US right now where there are political
Speaker 1: parties trying to roll back equal and civil rights for people.
Speaker 1: There are elected officials campaigning against gay marriage, which is
Speaker 1: such an annoying thing to say, marriages, marriages, marriage, stop it.
Speaker 1: And but you know, because we're talking about groups of
Speaker 1: people who are denied their rights because of who they are,
Speaker 1: which you know is unconstitutional. But here we are to
Speaker 1: your point, Hillary, We're going to have to keep fighting
Speaker 1: this fight. There are also elected officials in our country
Speaker 1: right now who are saying that they want to roll
Speaker 1: back the law that made interracial marriage legal. I know,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I saw that. Like y'all, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: And so this does feel like if there was ever
Speaker 1: a moment to remind the folks at home, please get
Speaker 1: involved in your communities. Please make sure you are registered
Speaker 1: to vote, even if you know whatever the next election
Speaker 1: cycle might be, there's two candidates in every race, right Like,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't have a perfect candidate, but please show
Speaker 1: up and vote for the candidates who are on the
Speaker 1: side of progress and equality, because if we don't, we
Speaker 1: are gonna risk going back to a time where people
Speaker 1: who are in love have to look at each other
Speaker 1: and say, we will never be able to get married,
Speaker 1: we will never be able to have kids. And the
Speaker 1: fight of our lifetime has been to undo that injustice.
Speaker 1: And you can see how recent it was. We were
Speaker 1: talking about it on our show in two thousand five.
Speaker 1: We cannot go back. There are Anna's and Derby's in
Speaker 1: every community. Yes, whether they're out to you, or they're
Speaker 1: out to the whole community, or they've kept it to themselves.
Speaker 1: And so if you love our show and you love
Speaker 1: these characters and you can empathize with what they're going through,
Speaker 1: then yeah, get up fight for them. That is important.
Speaker 1: Um show up for people, and show up for people
Speaker 1: we love, because there's a lot of people out there
Speaker 1: who are showing up with a lot of hate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're so loud. And I think I think we can.
Speaker 1: I think we can remind not only ourselves, because we
Speaker 1: do it for each other. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: talk about this, the articles we text each other, we
Speaker 1: get fired up about. I was sending you guys articles
Speaker 1: this morning about just like what's happening? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: But you know, I think not only can do we
Speaker 1: do that in our friendship with each other, but I
Speaker 1: think that the the sort of friendship of spirit that
Speaker 1: our show has created for us and for our viewers
Speaker 1: and our fans and all of our one try heill friends,
Speaker 1: I think we can use that as an example to
Speaker 1: show up in love as well. So Gus and I
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, and maybe we'll get away
Speaker 1: from our how much I dislike this episode. Um, with
Speaker 1: the exception of the Anna storyline by venturing into this.
Speaker 1: But my son wants to be a director, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna make horror movies. And I have
Speaker 1: these conversations with him at a young age, like why
Speaker 1: why do you want to make a horror movie? And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I think they're fun. It's like okay,
Speaker 1: but like what's your message? What's the real thing that's scary?
Speaker 1: Like what what are you making this about? And so
Speaker 1: that is something that even on our teen drama, Like
Speaker 1: teen dramas are dorky guys. We know, we never want
Speaker 1: an Emmy for One Tree Hill. But if we advanced
Speaker 1: the ball for people like Anna, if we opened the
Speaker 1: door for people to have conversations that used to be
Speaker 1: uncomfortable that are maybe less uncomfortable, that's more important. And
Speaker 1: so the why UM, and I do think our show
Speaker 1: sometimes did a very good job of being dork and
Speaker 1: thereby making these conversations not intimidating. It's like these little
Speaker 1: ding dongs can do it. You know, we can have
Speaker 1: this hard talk. I can go to my parents, you know. I. Um,
Speaker 1: it's actually really interesting you say that we were Gosh.
Speaker 1: It was in an early episode of Good Sam. I
Speaker 1: only remember because Edwin and I had to go to
Speaker 1: this like fancy restaurant and our characters were going on
Speaker 1: a date and then we see our dads there and
Speaker 1: we're like, our dads are in CODs, um. And we
Speaker 1: had this lovely woman who's not our normal set photographer. UM.
Speaker 1: She was filling in because our our normal gal was
Speaker 1: away with her family. And she was an older lady.
Speaker 1: She was like in her sixties. And she said to
Speaker 1: me on the way out after we wrapped. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like one in the morning, We're all going
Speaker 1: to the vans to go home, and she says, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I just really want to thank you. Um.
Speaker 1: Your show One Tree Hill was really impactful for me
Speaker 1: because is my granddaughter loved it. So then my daughter
Speaker 1: started watching it with her, and then I started watching
Speaker 1: it with them, and it got three generations of us
Speaker 1: talking to each other. And my granddaughter started talking to
Speaker 1: us about the things going on in her life that
Speaker 1: she would never open up about before. And I just thought, man,
Speaker 1: those are the kind of shows I want to be
Speaker 1: a part of. That just helped families talk to each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's you know, that's literally all our show was. It's
Speaker 1: just people talking to each other. Here's what I want
Speaker 1: to get. I want to get your take on Karen
Speaker 1: just being like so angry. Okay, all the women in
Speaker 1: this episode are just turned up to eleven. It's like
Speaker 1: how a man thinks a woman talks. And so Karen's
Speaker 1: like super freak mad, Yeah, super mad. Also like what
Speaker 1: they did with Taylor being like, yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: testing you. I wasn't really gonna have sex with you.
Speaker 1: You was the thing. It was like so many of
Speaker 1: the choices that women were making in this we're really
Speaker 1: bothering me. It was like all of a sudden, Brooke
Speaker 1: went from being like, oh, I'm doing the designated driving
Speaker 1: thing and I'm also you know, school president to like party, party, party, party, party, drunk,
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, this felt like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a back slide, which I would understand if
Speaker 1: there was like a reason for it. You know. You
Speaker 1: know what's interesting. I hear you on that, and I think,
Speaker 1: look at the end of the day, like kids or kids,
Speaker 1: and if you're the designated driver one weekend, maybe one
Speaker 1: of your friends as a designated driver the next weekend.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, now that we're so distant from
Speaker 1: high school, we want to be like, no, you don't
Speaker 1: need that. But then I think about it and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of kids party in high school. Okay. Um,
Speaker 1: So I think what what was missing for me was
Speaker 1: more of the space filler, Like what I would have
Speaker 1: appreciated it as if you'd seen Brooke go to the
Speaker 1: party with Bevan and make the decision and bevn be like,
Speaker 1: you haven't been out with us in you know, two months,
Speaker 1: I'll drive you home. I won't drink. And then you'd
Speaker 1: see Brooke make the decision to like party and and
Speaker 1: and you know you'd noticed the time, and she'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just stay for thirty more minutes, and you'd see
Speaker 1: Karen like waiting for her at the cafe. But we
Speaker 1: couldn't do any of that because there was a seventeen
Speaker 1: minute long sequence of dancing on a ball. We lost
Speaker 1: all of the scenes we needed. I wanted to say
Speaker 1: Brook dancing at the party, damn it. Um. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how you fill those forty one two minutes is very important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if we if we've done a better job at
Speaker 1: telling the story about a young girl who's trying to
Speaker 1: juggle her social life, her work responsibilities, her class presidency,
Speaker 1: her her DW dot I initiative, like living in a
Speaker 1: new house. Yeah, that would have been cool, but but
Speaker 1: we like we kind of cheated and we fast forwarded
Speaker 1: through some things that would have been I think meaningful
Speaker 1: to see talking about meaningful things, yes, and seeing Karen
Speaker 1: panic that, like, oh no, Brooke is going to become
Speaker 1: another one of me, you know, under my roof. I
Speaker 1: promised her parents that I would take care of her. Instead,
Speaker 1: she's just like at your door, yelling at you and like,
Speaker 1: madd at you form on makeup? How that much did
Speaker 1: you love the Mark? So mad about it? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I had to do a commercial for a brand for
Speaker 1: free and that's rude. And I want to say, Joy
Speaker 1: is the one that actually did the cover of Mark magazine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I did. I did one with Laala Anthony when
Speaker 1: it first came out at MTV, and then Joy I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure did a cover for Mark magazine. But they
Speaker 1: had her out on the road and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll have Brooke have like a huge treasure trove of
Speaker 1: Mark Cosmos all this makeup, which, by the way, doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense because she says to Karen in one
Speaker 1: scene like, oh, I spent the money you gave me.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, look all the stuff I bought
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, where'd you get the money for that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That felt weird that it was me. It was the
Speaker 1: first subscription makeup. Like, remember it was like mary Kay,
Speaker 1: but for you it was mary Kay, but for young
Speaker 1: people was mary Kay. And so it was essentially like
Speaker 1: all these sites that we order from now it's time travel.
Speaker 1: I will say though, I did love what Moira and
Speaker 1: I got to do the way that she explained, you know,
Speaker 1: chores and things and getting to play a little bit
Speaker 1: of the the genuine confusion of like, well, what do
Speaker 1: you mean so I pick one? Like how do I
Speaker 1: pick one? How does it work? Ma'am? And there was
Speaker 1: like a it was sweet for me to look back
Speaker 1: and go, ah, I I chose to play that with
Speaker 1: her in a way that was tender and earnest rather
Speaker 1: than like bitchy and affected exactly, And I really I
Speaker 1: loved it. I was like, oh, I had some good
Speaker 1: instincts going in this episode did because it could have
Speaker 1: been another example of females being written as you know, intolerable. Really,
Speaker 1: there's so many those like intolerable and titled like yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many things in this script where I'm just like,
Speaker 1: where was the girl in the room to guide this?
Speaker 1: But thankfully we had people on set that could guide things,
Speaker 1: you being one of them. Um. I struggled a lot,
Speaker 1: like if we're taking screen time away from storylines to
Speaker 1: have the butts and the boobs, Jake doing the whole
Speaker 1: custody thing with his daughter without a parent. Presently the
Speaker 1: lawyer is going to meet with us seventeen sixteen, seventeen
Speaker 1: year old kid without a parent. And again these two
Speaker 1: beautiful storylines, Anna and Darby, Anna coming out to her
Speaker 1: parents and then Jake and and his um being caught
Speaker 1: truly in a rock between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so easy when we think about, you know,
Speaker 1: the law and issues to go, well, there's a right
Speaker 1: and wrong, and this is very black and white. Life
Speaker 1: is gray, it's muddy, it's mixed. And Jake doesn't have
Speaker 1: a good option. He has a bad option and a
Speaker 1: really bad option, and Brian played it so beautifully and
Speaker 1: I just thought, there I was like, why aren't we
Speaker 1: spending more time here with this and and why didn't
Speaker 1: we you know, hire at least one one actor to
Speaker 1: play one of his parents. We didn't even need both
Speaker 1: your right, weird? His mom or his dad could have
Speaker 1: been there, or maybe he had two dads, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, one parent of any kind could have been there. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know, Brian took a story that was so
Speaker 1: mustache twirling. You know, Nicki has been written so one note.
Speaker 1: It's just like this conniving you know, basically like girl
Speaker 1: Dan just like awful, awful, awful, um very little nuanced
Speaker 1: to that character. And she makes it interesting and she
Speaker 1: does a good job and she's like, that is my daughter,
Speaker 1: and you know what, she is entitled to know her daughter.
Speaker 1: This story that Greenberg has to tell is like so bad.
Speaker 1: Where he's talking about Nikki falling asleep in the car
Speaker 1: and baby Jenny in the back with no blanket, shivering,
Speaker 1: they're sitting outside the bar. You know, it's horrible, and
Speaker 1: it was just so horrible that it all sow made
Speaker 1: me feel like like whoever crafted this episode hates women,
Speaker 1: Like there's just so much stuff in here that the
Speaker 1: woman is either the one yelling or angry or freaking up,
Speaker 1: or there's just so much misogyny, just so easily sprinkled
Speaker 1: throughout this episode that I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: I had. I really struggled with the reality of that story,
Speaker 1: because it would be bad enough if she just, like,
Speaker 1: you know, let Jenny be in a dirty diaper for
Speaker 1: a really long time, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: they always had to turn it up to like crazy,
Speaker 1: and it made me wonder, like, is that how they
Speaker 1: think women are? Well, you know what I think is
Speaker 1: interesting too, you saying that, like, because we talk a
Speaker 1: lot about how when you make television, you know, of
Speaker 1: any kind, like you need drama. Of course means something
Speaker 1: for characters to go through. But some times I think
Speaker 1: that that requirement for heightened reality can make us a
Speaker 1: little desensitized to how problematic, average quote average things can be.
Speaker 1: Like you saying, what if she had left Jenny in
Speaker 1: a dirty diaper all night? And you know, if someone
Speaker 1: had suggested that there was a writer saying, well, that's
Speaker 1: not a big enough deal, and it is, you know,
Speaker 1: neglect is a big deal. And I am very curious
Speaker 1: about why there is a tendency in so much storytelling,
Speaker 1: to need, the neglect, the failure, the whatever, the problem is,
Speaker 1: to always be you know, a ten out of ten,
Speaker 1: an eleven out of ten. It they take it so
Speaker 1: far that weirdly, I'm in this moment wondering if it
Speaker 1: makes us almost less sensitive to the smaller aggressions or
Speaker 1: issues that people go through. Well, So listen, if you're
Speaker 1: watching a TV show and the bad and the Bad Guy,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that in quotes, does something that's not turned
Speaker 1: up to eleven, maybe it's a four or five, and
Speaker 1: it's something that you've done in your life, it's going
Speaker 1: to affect the way you watch that show or how
Speaker 1: you feel about that character. And so I personally, in
Speaker 1: watching things, appreciate when the aggressions are microaggressions because it's
Speaker 1: like way more relatable to my life. And so I
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, you know, well, you can't divest
Speaker 1: from it. You can't go oh, I would never. I
Speaker 1: would never, never, Dad, Look, I would never um park
Speaker 1: a card outside of a bar and sleep with my
Speaker 1: kid in the middle of winter, you know, with the
Speaker 1: frost on the windows. Right, But when I watch certain
Speaker 1: TV shows or like somebody raises their voice with their
Speaker 1: children and it's traumatic. Then you as a parent have
Speaker 1: to be like, oh god, have I have I been scary?
Speaker 1: Have I raised? And of course I've raised my voice,
Speaker 1: But but it affects me more to see how it
Speaker 1: plays out on screen. I think Nikki's just Emmanuel is
Speaker 1: such a good actress and she's done what she could
Speaker 1: do with this writing where Nikki is just bad news.
Speaker 1: And I would have preferred if, like she was working
Speaker 1: a shift somewhere and fell asleep in the car with Jenny,
Speaker 1: Like if she had like a if she had a thing,
Speaker 1: if she was studying, you know, she's in college or
Speaker 1: was in college. But if there was something that wasn't
Speaker 1: just so evil, you know, women, not every woman is evil.
Speaker 1: Taylor's seducing Nathan, Nikki's trying to kidnap Jenny. You know,
Speaker 1: it just all feels kind of man man not my favorite,
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's really just so dialed up. We
Speaker 1: also talked about how we had so many young writers too,
Speaker 1: and so you know, we we really grew to love
Speaker 1: our writers as we got to know them, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them mean male writers. But when you're young,
Speaker 1: you just kind of have to do whatever is on
Speaker 1: the board because you're trying to keep your job, you're
Speaker 1: trying to secure more episodes in the future. It almost
Speaker 1: felt like hunger games in the writing room on our show,
Speaker 1: because everyone was jockeying for the credit. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget one of one of the writers that
Speaker 1: I think you're referring to, Um who I won't mention
Speaker 1: by name, just until I catch up with him and
Speaker 1: then see if he cares if I say. But I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, sitting all the way flash forward to season eight,
Speaker 1: when you know, we thought we were wrapping the show,
Speaker 1: before we knew we were going to come back for
Speaker 1: the final thirteen of nine, and I remember sitting at
Speaker 1: a you know, bar top having dinner with two of
Speaker 1: the guys who'd been writing on our show from the beginning,
Speaker 1: who started out you know, basically like as grunts in
Speaker 1: the writing room. And they shared with me some stories
Speaker 1: that I didn't know, and they talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: things they had heard about UM in l a like
Speaker 1: starting in season one, you know, like when creepy he
Speaker 1: who we do not speak of on our show, UM
Speaker 1: who was inappropriate with so many people but was real
Speaker 1: inappropriate with me, Like real handsy and it got kind
Speaker 1: of physical. I just like had a knee jerk reaction
Speaker 1: and I hit him like hard. Um. What I didn't
Speaker 1: know is that he went back to the writer's room.
Speaker 1: I'm like himming and hawing and screaming. Um. I think
Speaker 1: the phrase that sticks out to me, and I quote,
Speaker 1: was who does that entitle little bitch thing she is?
Speaker 1: One of the guys said, I don't know, maybe you
Speaker 1: just think she's entitled to not get her ask grabbed
Speaker 1: by her boss like yes, trying to break the tension
Speaker 1: in the room, and then was summarily told, you know,
Speaker 1: do you like having a job here? And it turned
Speaker 1: into a big fight, and they talked about how they
Speaker 1: all learned really quickly that defending us could mean they
Speaker 1: got fired, and they were scared. And I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are people who will say, well, they should have done
Speaker 1: it anyway, But you know, it's not black and white.
Speaker 1: It's really hard. I compared to living in a haunted house.
Speaker 1: So people like, how do you live in a haunted
Speaker 1: house in North Carolina for so long? And it's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen every day exactly right, It happens like
Speaker 1: once every three months, and it's like, WHOA, that was scary,
Speaker 1: and then it goes back to normal. And that's how
Speaker 1: it is when you're working in a toxic environment, is
Speaker 1: that it's okay. Sometimes some days are okay, some days
Speaker 1: are beautiful, and some days are really terrible. It's I
Speaker 1: think it. It mirrors toxic working environments, really mirror abusive
Speaker 1: relationships there. There is often love there, at least for person.
Speaker 1: And and it's the cycle. It's the roller coaster. You
Speaker 1: never know when it's coming. And so what I appreciated,
Speaker 1: you know, to circle back to the story I started
Speaker 1: to tell. What I appreciated about that conversation is I
Speaker 1: got to hear from these men who were our friends,
Speaker 1: who did become really good defenders of ours as they
Speaker 1: got more solid in their footing, share with me about
Speaker 1: the things they had loved about our job and about
Speaker 1: working together, and the things they carried shame about saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember this and it has been burned
Speaker 1: into my brain and I think about it a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm really sorry I didn't have better tools then,
Speaker 1: and I just want you to know I think about
Speaker 1: it and it was so meaningful to me, and it's
Speaker 1: it's through that lens, like we were talking earlier about
Speaker 1: the nuance right like the good and the bad, and
Speaker 1: you have to be willing to be honest about all
Speaker 1: of it. It's through that lens of accepting that more
Speaker 1: than one thing can be true at the same time
Speaker 1: that I feel like I can look back and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. There's things I wish I'd done differently,
Speaker 1: and there's things I'm really proud of that I did,
Speaker 1: and it's all jumbled together. But I think that the
Speaker 1: more sort of tolerant we can become of each other,
Speaker 1: and the more vulnerable we can be about I definitely
Speaker 1: wish we could go back and change would be incredible
Speaker 1: because then we can we can certainly at least use
Speaker 1: the lessons to change the course of the future. This
Speaker 1: episod so it is, there's so much good stuff in it.
Speaker 1: I wonder like what it would have looked like if
Speaker 1: Moira directed it? Do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the glimmers are there. What would it have looked like
Speaker 1: if a woman had put these pieces together? Because Chad
Speaker 1: stuff is good in this episode, like his stuff with
Speaker 1: you is like light and funny, stuff Anna is lovely,
Speaker 1: and then his stuff with Dan is all like, wa,
Speaker 1: maybe that's why Dance such a good character in our show,
Speaker 1: because that's who was really pulling the strings, Like that's
Speaker 1: the character they could connect with the most. Maybe Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I actually really like that theory. I Also it
Speaker 1: was funny because watching the Lucas and Dan dynamic, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there going, wait, like when did it turn there
Speaker 1: suddenly at odds Dan suspects look at like it's a
Speaker 1: sudden shift. But I I want to know more. I
Speaker 1: want to know what's going to happen. But now they're
Speaker 1: they're using all these weird literary metaphors about him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's wait? I thought that I thought Dan loved having
Speaker 1: him there. I don't know. I don't know what's happening,
Speaker 1: but I need to know more. Well, once the Keith
Speaker 1: secret is out right, that's what Lucas was kind of protecting.
Speaker 1: I suppose. Um he makes the comment to Dan at
Speaker 1: some point where he's like, I'm just here so I
Speaker 1: can get my medication, Like that's the only reason I'm
Speaker 1: You're paying for my meds and I need them to
Speaker 1: stay alive. Yeah, and then you're right, like all the
Speaker 1: very exposition e like book references like I didn't know
Speaker 1: you were a fan of Arthur Conan Doyle. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: Moriarty's the villain. That's one interpretation. I was like, what's happening. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: someone had just read that book and was like, guys,
Speaker 1: we use this. But then you know, there's there's this
Speaker 1: incredibly sweet element and it and it connects through from
Speaker 1: the last episode where Lucas has made it clear to
Speaker 1: other people that he has feelings for Brooke, but he's
Speaker 1: not putting it on her, which I think is another
Speaker 1: really important thing to have a boy model. And when
Speaker 1: he's laughing about you know, her cleaning the floor with
Speaker 1: a sponge and he says, you know, Broke, this is
Speaker 1: a mop. He says that he will split the chores
Speaker 1: with her, and she says, you would do that for me?
Speaker 1: And he says, anything for you. And it's this moment
Speaker 1: where he's confessing his feelings but not kind of running
Speaker 1: her over with them, and it's the first time you
Speaker 1: see her register it, like wait what, and it's it's generous.
Speaker 1: He's done all these generous things to help her, given
Speaker 1: her his room, and you know he's showing up to
Speaker 1: make sure she's okay. He's the one who says, Karen
Speaker 1: cares about you enough to ground you. Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: all lessons for her. It's nice to see the similarities
Speaker 1: between what Luke is doing for Brooke and then what
Speaker 1: Andy is doing for Karen and Lucas, because the second
Speaker 1: Lucas finds stuff, he trusts this new boyfriend of his
Speaker 1: mom enough to go and be like, what are we
Speaker 1: going to do? And he's like, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: do this, and Andy's like, no, we gotta do this.
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily a gift to Lucas, that's a
Speaker 1: gift to Lucas's mom. It's like, I'm going to handle
Speaker 1: your for you so you don't even have to think
Speaker 1: about it. And so then for Lucas to turn around
Speaker 1: and do it with Brooke, that's what you do. You
Speaker 1: help people carry their bags. That's love. It's really it's
Speaker 1: really refreshed, Shang and it interestingly, as much as I hated,
Speaker 1: you know, the villainous vixen on steroids thing that they
Speaker 1: always did to Taylor, Um, Lindsay McKeon is so damn charming.
Speaker 1: She's good man. Her words your words like real, more
Speaker 1: real things to do. But I I will say that
Speaker 1: as much as I hated, you know, the gaze of
Speaker 1: the dynamic that she was asked to play, I really
Speaker 1: did like the simplicity of that moment for Nathan when
Speaker 1: he says I can't do this, and she says because
Speaker 1: of Haley, and he says no because of me, and
Speaker 1: and Nathan is saying or he doesn't say no, but
Speaker 1: he says because of me. He doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: that guy. He doesn't want to fall back on his
Speaker 1: old validation tricks, which is very much what Brooks gone
Speaker 1: through too. I don't just want to be validated by
Speaker 1: what I used to use to validate myself. It's a
Speaker 1: cool thing in a yucky storyline. It's a cool moment
Speaker 1: to have a guy say no, I want to be
Speaker 1: a better man. And both of these brothers, in their
Speaker 1: own way are trying to learn to be better men. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I liked seeing James blow off steam. I mean that
Speaker 1: was that was fun um. But yeah, I I don't
Speaker 1: know that whole bit was just like weird. She did
Speaker 1: such a good job with what she had because the
Speaker 1: whole thing of like, you know you you haven't been
Speaker 1: labeled yet, and I have, and so I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: double down and I'm going to commit to the thing
Speaker 1: that I am. I'm a party. Um, but you're not
Speaker 1: there yet, kiddo. Yeah, you have a chance. A wish
Speaker 1: it had come more from her as the older person
Speaker 1: than Nathan rejecting her. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was like it was like they're going for it
Speaker 1: together and then he rejects her because she's the sultry
Speaker 1: vixen and her comeback is, well, I wasn't gonna kiss
Speaker 1: you anyway. Yeah, it's all male. But it's all male fantasy.
Speaker 1: It's what you were saying. It's like it's the it's
Speaker 1: the gross older guy with the pen. It's his dream
Speaker 1: of how available a hot girl would be to him,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, not not real. I would have
Speaker 1: loved instead is if they'd gone upstairs and she had
Speaker 1: just put on like a kettle and like made him
Speaker 1: tea or you know, like I had been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you've had your fun, do you feel better? Okay, now
Speaker 1: here's what's going to happen, And instead it just got
Speaker 1: taken right to the edge there when it even what
Speaker 1: was going on was crossing a boundary. You know, I
Speaker 1: certainly don't want to think. O, look, can you imagine
Speaker 1: that real life? Just like no, no, no, it's a
Speaker 1: it is a hard pass. But Taylor coming down the
Speaker 1: next day and encouraging him to pick I wish that
Speaker 1: conversation happened the night before. Maybe that's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say. Yes, I agree, And again credit to her,
Speaker 1: Lindsey delivered so much under it. She she personalized that
Speaker 1: idea of humans who self sabotage sometimes when when when
Speaker 1: human beings feel like they are beyond redemption, sometimes they
Speaker 1: go even further towards that which has hurt them. And
Speaker 1: and I thought she did all of this great work
Speaker 1: to give more quality to those words. But I do
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I would have loved if when
Speaker 1: they got upstairs and he was like coming up after her,
Speaker 1: thinking it was going to be a thing, she walked
Speaker 1: into the room and turned around with just like a
Speaker 1: blank face, like all right, cut the did you have
Speaker 1: fun flirting with my friends? Did you have fun dancing
Speaker 1: on the bar? What's really going on? Like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're behaving this way, you're in pain. Let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: It would have been so unexpected, it would have been
Speaker 1: a cooler turn right, as opposed to the pushed up
Speaker 1: against the wall, heavy breathing Oh oh, Lindsay, she's so
Speaker 1: good man. She knows how to make that work. And again,
Speaker 1: we we weren't in positions back then to really like
Speaker 1: push back against too much. You get hired to play
Speaker 1: the hot girl. You gotta play the hot girl. You
Speaker 1: know that's your gig. Now we know that's smartest hot
Speaker 1: and and boss he's hot, right right, Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: when like Twitter first came out, I started that smartest
Speaker 1: sexy hashtag, I'm like hard, I sure did. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what's hot? Being smart? Your brain is hot.
Speaker 1: The rest of it is like window dressing. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. And that's what I
Speaker 1: think about that. The end of the episode Parents, is
Speaker 1: there anything that we missed? Dan's bag of money hold on?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dan's creepy money laundering, whatever that is. I
Speaker 1: loved Anna taking Darby's advice and practicing her speech in
Speaker 1: her mirror and the way they did that reveal shot
Speaker 1: that she was no longer in front of the mirror,
Speaker 1: but she was in front of her parents and you
Speaker 1: just saw them blurry in the mirror. I thought that
Speaker 1: was a beautiful directing choice. That's like, that's cool camera work.
Speaker 1: Something that really also stood out to me that I
Speaker 1: found myself so surprised by. And I know this is
Speaker 1: like splitting hairs, but you know, I love words, She says, Mom, Dad,
Speaker 1: you know I love you, but there's something I have
Speaker 1: to tell you. And I was like why, but why?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a what a thing to specifically choose,
Speaker 1: because so many people, especially in two thousand five, thoughts
Speaker 1: I love you, but I'm going to tell you something
Speaker 1: about myself and you might not love me anymore. It
Speaker 1: broke my heart. Yeah, like if my eventual kid kids
Speaker 1: ever had to say to me, Mom, this is this
Speaker 1: thing about my identity. I don't want there to be
Speaker 1: a butt in that sentence. I don't want them to
Speaker 1: feel that pressure. The assumption is I'm going to say
Speaker 1: something that ruins that love. Yeah, instead of I love
Speaker 1: you and I have something I want to tell you.
Speaker 1: I love you, and there's something I've been keeping from
Speaker 1: you because I'm scared the I love you, but I
Speaker 1: can't I wrote but in huge letters in my notes.
Speaker 1: It just it. I don't know it killed me. I
Speaker 1: wish we'd got to keep her after this, Like, No,
Speaker 1: that's what killed me, is I was like, we we
Speaker 1: made all this progress, she went through the whole journey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now she's going back to boarding school. I know
Speaker 1: how important it would it have been for like teens
Speaker 1: that really connected with Anna to half or there to
Speaker 1: have her there, To have her out at Tree Hill High,
Speaker 1: to have her, you know, fall in love, to to
Speaker 1: have somebody at school be to her about her identity
Speaker 1: and one of us punch him in the nose, Like
Speaker 1: it would have been great too to have had her there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's worth more than just the journey of getting there. Like,
Speaker 1: let's see the rest of it. Um, maybe if she
Speaker 1: put on leather pants and done a coyote ugly dance,
Speaker 1: you gotta kept her. That's what we're gonna do for
Speaker 1: our fortieth birthday this summer, is we are gonna dance
Speaker 1: on a freaking boar in little tiny baby pants and
Speaker 1: in really tight, like painted on leather pants. Are those
Speaker 1: bars still open in New York? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: let's go find one. It was a moment. I bet
Speaker 1: they'd let us do it at our old haunts if
Speaker 1: we just asked, can we climb on here? You mind?
Speaker 1: If we just get up on this bar, I'll clorox
Speaker 1: wipe the bottom of my boots. Room all right? Do
Speaker 1: we have fan questions? We sure do? Okay, Um, well
Speaker 1: this is funny. Letitia wants to know if we got
Speaker 1: a tattoo together to celebrate our days in Wilmington, what
Speaker 1: would it be? We've decided where where it won't be
Speaker 1: stay up, so it's no that that piece of skin
Speaker 1: remains like my day I was born and it will
Speaker 1: always be sweet and pale and tender baby flesh. Um,
Speaker 1: what would it be? I mean, we've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about this is it? Are we getting a raven?
Speaker 1: Are we getting a crown? Are we getting Roman numerals?
Speaker 1: Are we We don't know yet. Guys, we want to
Speaker 1: know what tattoos y'all are getting. Can you send us
Speaker 1: some art please? I love seeing those cos it's so nice.
Speaker 1: Someone comes up and they've got like people always leave
Speaker 1: on their arm and I'm like, oh baby, but we're
Speaker 1: right here, but we're back here. Somebody sent rom the
Speaker 1: other day of um like this is this is the
Speaker 1: place like right here, like under their under under their
Speaker 1: collar bone that I thought was very pretty interesting. I
Speaker 1: like it. I like a like a long slender shoulder here.
Speaker 1: I know one of my guy friends has a tattoo
Speaker 1: that starts under his ear and comes down to whatever
Speaker 1: muscle this is and then goes down onto the shoulder bone,
Speaker 1: and it is so pretty. All I think about though now,
Speaker 1: because all my tattoos are white, because I never wanted
Speaker 1: to have have to get them covered at work, and
Speaker 1: then I got this stupid one on my arm in black.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it, it's beautiful, but the time
Speaker 1: I have to spend in the hair and makeup chair
Speaker 1: every morning, I'm like, it wasn't worth it. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't worth it. So now anytime I think about where
Speaker 1: I might want a tattoo, I think how exposed is
Speaker 1: it and how often will I have to add an
Speaker 1: hour to my morning to get it covered. You gotta
Speaker 1: put it in places where if you ever get asked
Speaker 1: to do a nude scene in the future, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm so sorry I got all these tattoos.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. You should probably just get a
Speaker 1: body double. Um. I just recently got this huge tattoo
Speaker 1: on my hip I didn't know it was gonna be
Speaker 1: that big it is. Um it was from my friend's
Speaker 1: sporty the third day. So those that's there now, Um,
Speaker 1: I got one hip left for us and then were
Speaker 1: the kind of girls to get like thigh tattoos. Now
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of sexy. I do too, you
Speaker 1: know what, I really do think we need to make
Speaker 1: some temporary ones and just stick them all over us
Speaker 1: and figure out where we like them. Try some things out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well you guys send us some ideas. We'll
Speaker 1: get it turned into temporary tattoos. We'll try some things out.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll even get you guys some If you want
Speaker 1: some temporary tattoos. Maybe we should just make them. I
Speaker 1: think we ought to. I think we ought to. Alright, Letitia,
Speaker 1: what else do we have? Michelle wants to know what's
Speaker 1: your favorite thing about Peyton, Brooke and Haley's friendship and
Speaker 1: what's your favorite thing about your friendship between you all
Speaker 1: in real life? M hmmm. I like that we all
Speaker 1: give each other's space to be good at different stuff,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like Peyton, Brooke and
Speaker 1: Haley all did that, and and I think that we
Speaker 1: do that in real life. Like, look, all three of
Speaker 1: us like to sing, but we know Joy's the real singer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's her, that's her thing. We all are super involved
Speaker 1: in advocacy, but like you're the senator, like that's your thing.
Speaker 1: I'm the farmer, you know, like we all everyone has bees,
Speaker 1: but I'm the one that's like really dirty. You know,
Speaker 1: you have like a full blown farm. So we give
Speaker 1: each other space and don't like step on each other
Speaker 1: with these passions because identity is something that's sacred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know what I think is is special too,
Speaker 1: is knowing we all have a lot of overlapping loves.
Speaker 1: Each of us who is kind of the expert at
Speaker 1: whatever we're expert at, supports the others in coming towards
Speaker 1: our thing. Like, I've seen a lot of friendships, and
Speaker 1: I think especially among younger women, because society teaches us
Speaker 1: that we are each other's competition, which is so dumb.
Speaker 1: Like that's the ultimate misogynistic trick is to keep women
Speaker 1: fighting so we don't pay attention and kick these guys asses.
Speaker 1: Um uh. I've seen female friendships get really tense when
Speaker 1: it's like, no, that's my thing, You're competitorial. And one
Speaker 1: of the things I love so much about all of
Speaker 1: us is that it's like, oh, you want to try
Speaker 1: this thing I love, Come here, let me tell you
Speaker 1: how I did it. Let me tell you what works,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what to feedure bees, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what it's It's very inclusive and welcoming. And
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, our our characters did versions
Speaker 1: of that on screen as well, and I think it's
Speaker 1: probably the reason why so many people talk about how
Speaker 1: they want friendships like Brooke and Peyton and Hayley's and
Speaker 1: and I just think, like, oh, man, so much better
Speaker 1: in real life. We're not kissing the same dudes, and
Speaker 1: real god, we sure did dodge that bullet. I mean,
Speaker 1: at least I think we did. Yeah, we know what.
Speaker 1: You know what. I also will say that I really
Speaker 1: like because we're, you know, honest blood ladies. I like
Speaker 1: that we all really big up each other's husbands too. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's really sweet and like, guys, we like, we
Speaker 1: really go in on it. Like I'll send you guys
Speaker 1: a photo and you guys are like, Grant looks hot,
Speaker 1: and like you guys posted your thing about your about
Speaker 1: the Booze launched, and I was like, Hillary, Jeff looks
Speaker 1: freaking hot. Like we we go so hard for each
Speaker 1: other that now we like go really hard for each
Speaker 1: other's partners. Yeah, you have to be with the three
Speaker 1: of us. You can't be with one of us. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like we're a package deal. And I love that it.
Speaker 1: It isn't just like, oh he's being sweeter or oh
Speaker 1: he did that nice thing for you. Like we're you know,
Speaker 1: we like, we like what we like, we like what
Speaker 1: we like. I'm trying to think about what the word is.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not like we we don't flirt with it,
Speaker 1: that's not it. But we we cheerlead all the things,
Speaker 1: including like yes, you you nailed it, the children, making
Speaker 1: any sense, like can't find the words right, No, it
Speaker 1: makes total sense because you know your spouse always um
Speaker 1: is more supportive when they feel included. And we've been
Speaker 1: in relationships in the past where our partners either haven't
Speaker 1: felt included or felt slighted, and it makes jealous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're jealous of the time and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: so I think we all make an effort to love
Speaker 1: on each other's special people, whether it's kids or spouses
Speaker 1: or best friends or whatever, so that it's inclusive. So
Speaker 1: to answer Michelle's question, you know, collaboration over competitiveness and
Speaker 1: inclusivity are I think the most important parts of our friendships.
Speaker 1: Just love up on your people's people. It makes everything
Speaker 1: play nice in the sand box. Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. We have one last question, Leah,
Speaker 1: the last o t h CO star you texted besides
Speaker 1: the three of you? I mean, I did that this morning.
Speaker 1: Minds Brian Greenberg. I was on the phone with him yesterday.
Speaker 1: I texted you and Danille and Joy this morning. Yeah
Speaker 1: we have Daniel. Yeah, squad, we we just we love
Speaker 1: our people. We're pretty lucky. Baby. You want to spend
Speaker 1: a wheel? I really want to spend a wheel. Let's go. Ok,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's do it. You know what, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you because this episode was a real
Speaker 1: stinker for me, and you helped me see the bright side.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love that all right? Are most likely
Speaker 1: to scream at a spider? Scream as a spider? I
Speaker 1: mean in real life? I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean all the chicks on our show
Speaker 1: were like dames. You know it was really a flower.
Speaker 1: There was just like a giant black widow in my
Speaker 1: garage and one of my friends was over here like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like, let me just go
Speaker 1: get a board. I'll kill it. I'm gonna get a
Speaker 1: cup and a piece of paper, and I mean, I
Speaker 1: smashed the poisonous ones, but yeah, I don't. I've got
Speaker 1: a collection of their little corpses. Um. You know who
Speaker 1: I would love to see have the like at a
Speaker 1: spider scene on our show would be Skills. I think
Speaker 1: Antoine would make that so funny. He's good at that
Speaker 1: physical comedy. Like if Skills were afraid of spiders, it
Speaker 1: would be completely unexpected and hilarious and he would ad
Speaker 1: lib something great and it would just Yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be a very hilarious scene. Do we think Antoine scared
Speaker 1: of Spider's in real life? Probably not. He's so chill,
Speaker 1: he'd be like whatever, there's no sissies on Tree Hill. Friends,
Speaker 1: We're having toughest nails. What's our next episode, babe? We're
Speaker 1: getting close to the end of season two, the nineteen
Speaker 1: coming up. It is I'm wide awake, it's morning. Do
Speaker 1: we think it's going to get better. Do we think
Speaker 1: it's going to be like I want the haleyback. I
Speaker 1: will say we've had these sort of cyclical moments where
Speaker 1: when we have a show that really creeps us out,
Speaker 1: often the next one is pretty good, Like, so I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that that's the way this is going to go.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Eighteen was just kind of a slightly
Speaker 1: unfortunate blip on the radar. Well, we found the silver linings.
Speaker 1: My sweet sister who doesn't know how to mop um
Speaker 1: loves a sponge, loves a sponge. You guys are the
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