1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama queens up girl fashion, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl, you could sit with us Girl 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Drama Queens, Na, Queen's Drawn, MC Queen's Drama Drawn, McQueen's Drama, 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Queen's Hello, Friends, and One Tree Hill Family. Wow, we 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: are on season two, episode eight, Team the Lonesome Road. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say, but wow, I know 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: what I'm going to say. I know what you're gonna say. Um. 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: This show originally aired April two thousand five. Let me 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: give you the synopsis and then, uh, then we'll really 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: get into it. On his way home from seeing Haley, which, 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: if you remember from last week, really didn't go well, 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: Nazy stops to visit Taylor m hoping for some fun 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and maybe more gross. Meanwhile, Anna gets a surprise visit 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: from her old girlfriend. Oh my god, what good scenes 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: these were, and is inspired to finally come out to 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: her parents. Lucas works with Andy to try to bring 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Dan down. Karen puts her foot down with Brooke, who 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: gets grounded and Peyton and Jake continue to hide baby 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Jenny from Nikki don Donda. Well, much like our episode 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: this week where there was no Hailey to be found, 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: Joy is being a cool mom and it's like on 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: a school field trip going across country right now, So 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to talk about her. She's taking 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Maria on a pretty rat adventure and we just couldn't 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: make today work. So we'll miss her like we did 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: then when she went on tour and we stayed home 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: without her. God, it just the show loses something without her, 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: It really does, and we felt it in this episode. 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Can I just say it? Can I just I hate 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: this episode? I know, I hate this episode. It is 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: my least favorite episode. The misogyny is strong wrong. Yeah, 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: there's just a lot that isn't good. But here's the thing, 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: Like you said that, Anna, scenes in this episode should 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: have been served up on a golden platter because they 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: are beautiful, and Danielle Alonso is like finally getting this 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: like grand opus of her character coming full circle, and 40 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: it just gets lost in the bush. Well, and you 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: know what's interesting. So I was thinking about this as 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: I was watching it. Because for for our friends at home, 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: we normally watch these episodes together. We get on zoom 44 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: um if we're not you know, obviously in the same city, 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and we watch them together. That's where all the reaction 46 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: videos come from. And sometimes we're very shocked by things 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: we didn't we really did. They needed to be buried um. 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: But you know, then we jump into the podcast and 49 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: we talked about it because we've just done it together. 50 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: We've all been scribbling notes and laughing about things. And 51 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: because this week is crazy for us Joys on the road, 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: we've all got a bunch of stuff going on, we 53 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: had to watch the episode separately. So Hillary, you were like, 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. You were like you were You were like, 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: this twenty minute coyote ugly sequences and here's what's wild. 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: So I was like, prepped, I didn't remember what this 57 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: episode was, you told me, so I was prepped for it. 58 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: And when the sequence started, I was like, oh, man, 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: is this mine like internalized misogyny for the early two 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: thousand's that I think this is kind of cute? And 61 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, yep, I see what. I 62 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: see what my sister is talking about. Because the cute 63 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: has ended. Now it's gross. Now these poor girls whose 64 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: you know names nobody even knew who got hired n 65 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: Taylor's coworkers are like smacking their asses and gratuitous close ups. Oh, 66 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: and it's still going for minutes every minutes and minutes 67 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: and minutes and minutes. And I was like, yeah, and 68 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: let those girls lovely the dancers, beautiful girls criticizing them. 69 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: It's not it's what the people in charge decided to 70 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: do with minutes of screen time with a bunch of 71 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: young women. They took it from like a cute a 72 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: potentially cute moment and made it just about like gyrating 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: bodies and booty close ups with no to your point, 74 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: no dialogue for these girls, no fun, bar banter, no 75 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: oh that's the that's the brother in law, like nothing 76 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: that advanced the story. And I just really didn't like it. 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I see, I wouldn't steer you wrong. Maybe I know 78 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: you never would, but I was like, oh my god, 79 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to tell her I don't hate it. 80 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I went from not hating 81 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: it to really hating it. Look, I loved Coyote Ugly 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: when it came out, and I bought leather pants at 83 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: the Wilson's Leather in the mall with such a quickness 84 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: because I was working at the Buffalo Wing factory back 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: home in Virginia and was like, I'm on a bartend 86 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: in leather pants too, you know, in the middle of summer, 87 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: because that's hot. Um. But this there's a male gaze, 88 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: and there's a male lens that we've talked about quite 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: a lot, and so there's good stuff in this episode 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: that gets grody because you're looking at it through that 91 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: male lens. Like Brooke not knowing how to mop in 92 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: this episode and being down on her hands and knees 93 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: made me so mad. Sophie, I know I did. I 94 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: gotta say, I think again. I was prepped. It's like 95 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: when you go to a movie thinking it's going to 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: be great. It isn't. You're let down, but when somebody 97 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: tells you it's not great, you're like, actually, I thought 98 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: it was kind of good. I I thought the scene 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: I and I forgot about it. I forgot shooting that. 100 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: So the memory that came with it made me laugh 101 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: so hard. I thought Brooke Davis having no idea at 102 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: a mapa floor and using a sponge like looking up 103 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: me as her looking up and Lucas going is that wrong? 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: I burst out laughing. I was like this is this 105 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to me is funny. But I also was like, well, 106 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna make Hillary so mad. I'm just like, why 107 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: do we have this girl that just accomplished so much 108 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: back on her hands and knees? How do we get 109 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: that girl? I will say what I didn't like about 110 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: it was the way that it was shot. Yes, that's 111 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: literally had it had me positioned in a in a 112 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: way with a man standing behind me that I thought 113 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: was not classy. I thought the shots and the humor. 114 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: Then again in the camera angle and this is sort 115 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: of a production note that I didn't like. I was like, guys, 116 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: you could have put the camera in a space where 117 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: my head was like level with his chest, not with 118 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: his groin, Like that's gross and to your point, that's 119 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: male gish that just as an actor especially, you don't 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: know that's happening to you because not behind the monitor, 121 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: you can't see the angle. And that that was what 122 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: I didn't like. I I liked the innocence of you know, 123 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: the Brooke Davis who has never done chores. But I 124 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: didn't like that. The comedy of that is adorable, and 125 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 1: there was a way to do it in an adorable way. 126 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: And and you on your knees with a man living 127 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: a boy looming over you. I didn't like that. There's 128 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: a punchline in there that doesn't have to be said 129 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: out loud, but the viewer sees it, you know, and 130 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: it's and to your point, I think that this is 131 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: an important conversation, like we all are better when we 132 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: are willing to examine nuance and when we're willing to 133 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: be honest and frank about what's good and what's not. 134 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this episode is. Like. The 135 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Anna stuff was really good. The way that they were 136 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: gross to those girls who they didn't even give any dialogue, 137 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and the coyote ugly rip off was not good. The 138 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: humor in the brook and Lucacino when he says, Brooke, 139 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: this is a mop like there was some gold you know? 140 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Is that wrong? I'm never going to stop thinking about it. 141 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: There was some comedic gold there that was you mind it, 142 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: you did it? Thank you? I will take it like 143 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: that was good, But then the way it was shot 144 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: was bad, and it I think for us all of us. Really, 145 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: it's always good to go back and look at how 146 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: we can examine that those dualities and things we've done work, 147 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: we've done experiences, we've you know, whatever the thing might 148 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: be that you're looking at, so that you can more 149 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: quickly spot the good in the bad in the present 150 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: and try to filter out the bad. So, you know, 151 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: there were things about the episode I liked. To man, 152 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: there were things I really did not Well, maybe we'll 153 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: set the table with this because guys, just so you know, 154 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: Sophie and I conferred before we taped this podcast because 155 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to be Debbie Downer, man, 156 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like this one sucks, but 157 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: also this one sucks. Um. But then we also were like, okay, well, 158 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: what else was going on in two thousand five that 159 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: was questionable? Because there's a ton of questionable in this episode, 160 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, like Peyton tells like a white trash joke 161 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: that doesn't feel great. It's cringe E. It's cringe E. 162 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: But back then, you know, people were still saying all 163 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: sorts of inappropriate stuff, and so we pulled up a list. 164 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: Hold on, we've got a list of two thousand five 165 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: movies and songs, so we we wanted to know what 166 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: was popular. End that might be a little cringeing. Now evolved, 167 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: we've got the top movies of two thousand five were 168 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Into the Blue Hitch, the Dukes of Hazard, Wedding Crashers, 169 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: an American Pie Band Camp. I mean, it's not jokes 170 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: in those movies, so many dick jokes in all of 171 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: these things. They they had a theme. And then the 172 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: songs of two thousand five, Don't You by the Pussycat Dolls, 173 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: gold Digger by Kanye West, My Humps the Opus by 174 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: the Black Eyed Pieces, Art, Just a Little Bit by 175 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: fifty Cent Candy Shop by fifty Hey, a Big Year 176 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: rob It Like It's Hot by Snoop Dogg, which I 177 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: would say stands the test of time. That is a 178 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: classic that one can still get, it can stare in. 179 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: Is the duality it's like, it's like it could be 180 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: a whole era of dick jokes and songs about boobs 181 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: and butts. You drop it like It's Hot is iconic. 182 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to keep the drop it like It's Hot 183 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: and veto the the misogyny and the Confederate flag permanently. 184 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: That's that's what I'd like. I think those should should 185 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: go away, but we should we should keep snoop. I 186 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: mean got the super Bowl halftime show. We all outed 187 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: ourselves this year at the super Bowl. Oh my god. 188 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: It was made me so happy. It was My son 189 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: thought I was so cool because I've met so many 190 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: of them from MTV and gust It's like, you've met 191 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: these people and I'm like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, 192 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: Mom's cool. Dude, you don't even you know? Um was weird. 193 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean it was weird. Also, where I know we've 194 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: talked about is but really the me mopping scene, I 195 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: was like, where are the rest of my pants? Girl? 196 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: There was such an enormous space between where my shirt 197 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: ended and where my pants began. And that's why people 198 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: started getting tramp stamp tattoos, just to like bridge the gap, 199 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: bridge that giant gap of just pale flesh. Oh man, 200 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: maybe it's not too late. We could still get those. 201 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: So I don't think I want one. I've thought about 202 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: where I might want my next tattoo, and I just 203 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: don't think that's ever going to be a place for me. 204 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: You know what I would like to do, though, I 205 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: think perhaps we should make some temporary tattoos and maybe 206 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: for like a week, that'd be fun. That's a good idea, 207 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: stamp for a week. Also, are we allowed to say that? 208 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Is that a term that lives in two thousand five? Again? 209 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: Tramp stamp? You know? And like, un we always called 210 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: those tank tops wife beaters, which is like, no, there's 211 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: a whole learning curve that is good. It's a good thing, 212 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: and so we are going to accept that. We love 213 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: our show. We love the characters on our show. We 214 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: don't like certain elements, we don't like certain words that 215 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: are used. The white trash thing really made me feel 216 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: awful in this episode. No, it's disgusting. How in the 217 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: same show, then, do you have this storyline with Anna? 218 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the glowing moment of the show. I 219 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:37,359 Speaker 1: have to okay, Anna and Darby, Yes, and Jake and Whitey. 220 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was good, really winning moments. But yes, 221 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: let's let's start with Anna. I am I just love 222 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: watching Daniello work and it's funny. This episode gave me 223 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: the same feeling I had um when she came on 224 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom. Did you watch that show, that Nancy show? Oh? Yes, 225 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: oh yes, I love that show, and when she came on, 226 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Daniella, and it was 227 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: such a joy to to see her embodying that character, 228 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, this young mom. And it's really interesting, having 229 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: seen her, you know, in a more recent project, to 230 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: go back and watch her and just be like, God, 231 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: you can see the you can just see it in 232 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: her all the way back to two thousand five. She's 233 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: so present and vulnerable, and what I like so much 234 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: is that she's not afraid to hide the struggle that 235 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: Anna is going through. She she doesn't you know, memorize 236 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: her lines in a way where they just tumble out. 237 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: She finds the words and you know when for again, 238 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: for the folks at home, when you've shot a scene 239 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: eighteen times, to make it look spontaneous, you know, requires 240 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: some technical skill. And I just of watching her. Yeah, well, 241 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: and Darby coming on. This character of Darby played by 242 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: Spray graydon Um. I've seen Spray Grayden and so many 243 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: different things everything. I hope I'm saying her name right 244 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: because I get self conscious about that. But we've done 245 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: like four different shows together. She was on One Tree Hill, 246 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: White Collar, Lethal Weapon, and Gray's Anatomy and so whatever 247 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: casting director Yeast of these shows, they're like, yes, these 248 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: are the kinds of girls that we like. Yeah. Well, 249 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: also they're like when you need somebody to come in 250 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: for an episode and really hit hit a home run 251 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and get her so talented beautiful, it's a part that 252 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: could have gone It could have gone sideways. You know, 253 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know when you're only doing one episode 254 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: of a show. She plays this like beautifully nuanced character 255 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: in just one episode, Like she should have had four 256 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: episodes to kind of play this out and check in 257 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: and dance around Anna on figure out their feelings. She 258 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: gets it done in one. She's got the great scene 259 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: with Lucas where Anna doesn't really know how to introduce 260 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: her and then goes for it. Yeah, frankly, I'm jealous 261 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: that Lucas got all those scenes, Like I'm like, where's Peyton. 262 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: She's been the one like defend me here. I know 263 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: you're like, excuse me, this is my friendship. But it 264 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: was important to see a boy accepting of this friendship 265 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand five, when this was still an uncomfortable 266 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: conversation to have, and to have a boy celebrate it, 267 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: you know and be like I'm gonna miss you as 268 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: a friend. Um. The work that Chad got to do 269 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: in that storyline I'm jealous of. I know it was 270 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,479 Speaker 1: really really nice for him, and I do think it's important. 271 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: We are more accustomed to women modeling vulnerability and acceptance 272 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: with each other, and so to have a boy do 273 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: it to teach viewers that, you know, these two girls 274 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: who had been in love were not a punchline does 275 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: feel important, especially in two thousand five. You know, it 276 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: hit me so hard because we were talking in advance 277 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: of this about what's changed. And in the one of 278 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: the later scenes between Darby and Anna, when Darby is 279 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: explaining to Anna how she came out to her own 280 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: parents and what went well and what was hard, and 281 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: she talked about, you know, it was hard to see 282 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: some of their dreams Spanish. Oh my god, Sophia, that 283 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: was horrible. It broke me because and I went, wow, 284 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: there are kids who are watching One Tree Hill now 285 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: who didn't experience two thousand five, when if you were 286 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: in a queer couple you couldn't get married. It was illegally. Yes, 287 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: it was illegal for two people who are in love 288 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: with each other to marry each other, which is so insane. 289 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: It's insane. And the idea that you couldn't have children, 290 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: that that was a dream that went away. God, I'm 291 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: so glad you said that, because I wrote it down 292 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: here in my notes, And yes, like you, I was 293 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: floored because the change in our lifetime is vast and 294 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: I hope it continues to get better and better and better. 295 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: And it's always going to be a fight, it just is. 296 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: And so we're down for the fight. And I'm proud 297 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: that we were on a show that was a part 298 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: of the fight, you know, in the early days. Um, 299 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, that that reality is it still feels icky. Yeah. Well, 300 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: and look, you know, we're we're here to analyze our show, 301 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: but it does feel um in this particular moment. While 302 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: while we're analyzing a show that's pretty evergreen, we are 303 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: talking about change and progress and there are laws happening 304 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: all around the US right now where there are political 305 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: parties trying to roll back equal and civil rights for people. 306 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: There are elected officials campaigning against gay marriage, which is 307 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: such an annoying thing to say, marriages, marriages, marriage, stop it. 308 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: And but you know, because we're talking about groups of 309 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: people who are denied their rights because of who they are, 310 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: which you know is unconstitutional. But here we are to 311 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: your point, Hillary, We're going to have to keep fighting 312 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: this fight. There are also elected officials in our country 313 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: right now who are saying that they want to roll 314 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: back the law that made interracial marriage legal. I know, 315 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I saw that. Like y'all, this is crazy. 316 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: And so this does feel like if there was ever 317 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: a moment to remind the folks at home, please get 318 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: involved in your communities. Please make sure you are registered 319 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: to vote, even if you know whatever the next election 320 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: cycle might be, there's two candidates in every race, right Like, 321 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: maybe you don't have a perfect candidate, but please show 322 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: up and vote for the candidates who are on the 323 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: side of progress and equality, because if we don't, we 324 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: are gonna risk going back to a time where people 325 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: who are in love have to look at each other 326 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: and say, we will never be able to get married, 327 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: we will never be able to have kids. And the 328 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: fight of our lifetime has been to undo that injustice. 329 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: And you can see how recent it was. We were 330 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: talking about it on our show in two thousand five. 331 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: We cannot go back. There are Anna's and Derby's in 332 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: every community. Yes, whether they're out to you, or they're 333 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: out to the whole community, or they've kept it to themselves. 334 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: And so if you love our show and you love 335 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: these characters and you can empathize with what they're going through, 336 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: then yeah, get up fight for them. That is important. 337 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Um show up for people, and show up for people 338 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: we love, because there's a lot of people out there 339 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: who are showing up with a lot of hate. Yeah, 340 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: they're so loud. And I think I think we can. 341 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: I think we can remind not only ourselves, because we 342 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: do it for each other. I mean, you know, we 343 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: talk about this, the articles we text each other, we 344 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: get fired up about. I was sending you guys articles 345 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: this morning about just like what's happening? What are we doing? 346 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: But you know, I think not only can do we 347 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: do that in our friendship with each other, but I 348 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: think that the the sort of friendship of spirit that 349 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: our show has created for us and for our viewers 350 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: and our fans and all of our one try heill friends, 351 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: I think we can use that as an example to 352 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: show up in love as well. So Gus and I 353 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, and maybe we'll get away 354 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: from our how much I dislike this episode. Um, with 355 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: the exception of the Anna storyline by venturing into this. 356 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: But my son wants to be a director, and you know, 357 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna make horror movies. And I have 358 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: these conversations with him at a young age, like why 359 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: why do you want to make a horror movie? And 360 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: he's like, well, I think they're fun. It's like okay, 361 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: but like what's your message? What's the real thing that's scary? 362 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: Like what what are you making this about? And so 363 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: that is something that even on our teen drama, Like 364 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: teen dramas are dorky guys. We know, we never want 365 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: an Emmy for One Tree Hill. But if we advanced 366 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: the ball for people like Anna, if we opened the 367 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: door for people to have conversations that used to be 368 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: uncomfortable that are maybe less uncomfortable, that's more important. And 369 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: so the why UM, and I do think our show 370 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: sometimes did a very good job of being dork and 371 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: thereby making these conversations not intimidating. It's like these little 372 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: ding dongs can do it. You know, we can have 373 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: this hard talk. I can go to my parents, you know. I. Um, 374 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: it's actually really interesting you say that we were Gosh. 375 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: It was in an early episode of Good Sam. I 376 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: only remember because Edwin and I had to go to 377 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: this like fancy restaurant and our characters were going on 378 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: a date and then we see our dads there and 379 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: we're like, our dads are in CODs, um. And we 380 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: had this lovely woman who's not our normal set photographer. UM. 381 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: She was filling in because our our normal gal was 382 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: away with her family. And she was an older lady. 383 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: She was like in her sixties. And she said to 384 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: me on the way out after we wrapped. You know, 385 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: it was like one in the morning, We're all going 386 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: to the vans to go home, and she says, hey, 387 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: you know, I just really want to thank you. Um. 388 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: Your show One Tree Hill was really impactful for me 389 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: because is my granddaughter loved it. So then my daughter 390 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: started watching it with her, and then I started watching 391 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: it with them, and it got three generations of us 392 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: talking to each other. And my granddaughter started talking to 393 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: us about the things going on in her life that 394 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: she would never open up about before. And I just thought, man, 395 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: those are the kind of shows I want to be 396 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: a part of. That just helped families talk to each other. Yeah, 397 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: there's you know, that's literally all our show was. It's 398 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: just people talking to each other. Here's what I want 399 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: to get. I want to get your take on Karen 400 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: just being like so angry. Okay, all the women in 401 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: this episode are just turned up to eleven. It's like 402 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: how a man thinks a woman talks. And so Karen's 403 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: like super freak mad, Yeah, super mad. Also like what 404 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: they did with Taylor being like, yeah, I was just 405 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: testing you. I wasn't really gonna have sex with you. 406 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: You was the thing. It was like so many of 407 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: the choices that women were making in this we're really 408 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: bothering me. It was like all of a sudden, Brooke 409 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: went from being like, oh, I'm doing the designated driving 410 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: thing and I'm also you know, school president to like party, party, party, party, party, drunk, 411 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: and it was like, well, this felt like a little 412 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: bit of a back slide, which I would understand if 413 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: there was like a reason for it. You know. You 414 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: know what's interesting. I hear you on that, and I think, 415 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: look at the end of the day, like kids or kids, 416 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: and if you're the designated driver one weekend, maybe one 417 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: of your friends as a designated driver the next weekend. 418 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, now that we're so distant from 419 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: high school, we want to be like, no, you don't 420 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: need that. But then I think about it and I'm like, yeah, 421 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot of kids party in high school. Okay. Um, 422 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: So I think what what was missing for me was 423 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: more of the space filler, Like what I would have 424 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: appreciated it as if you'd seen Brooke go to the 425 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: party with Bevan and make the decision and bevn be like, 426 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: you haven't been out with us in you know, two months, 427 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: I'll drive you home. I won't drink. And then you'd 428 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: see Brooke make the decision to like party and and 429 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: and you know you'd noticed the time, and she'd be like, Okay, 430 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: I'll just stay for thirty more minutes, and you'd see 431 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: Karen like waiting for her at the cafe. But we 432 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: couldn't do any of that because there was a seventeen 433 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: minute long sequence of dancing on a ball. We lost 434 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: all of the scenes we needed. I wanted to say 435 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: Brook dancing at the party, damn it. Um. Yeah, yeah, 436 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: how you fill those forty one two minutes is very important. Yeah, 437 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: because if we if we've done a better job at 438 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: telling the story about a young girl who's trying to 439 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: juggle her social life, her work responsibilities, her class presidency, 440 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: her her DW dot I initiative, like living in a 441 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: new house. Yeah, that would have been cool, but but 442 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: we like we kind of cheated and we fast forwarded 443 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: through some things that would have been I think meaningful 444 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: to see talking about meaningful things, yes, and seeing Karen 445 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: panic that, like, oh no, Brooke is going to become 446 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: another one of me, you know, under my roof. I 447 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: promised her parents that I would take care of her. Instead, 448 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: she's just like at your door, yelling at you and like, 449 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: madd at you form on makeup? How that much did 450 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: you love the Mark? So mad about it? I'm like, 451 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: I had to do a commercial for a brand for 452 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: free and that's rude. And I want to say, Joy 453 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: is the one that actually did the cover of Mark magazine. Yeah, yeah, 454 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: yeah I did. I did one with Laala Anthony when 455 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: it first came out at MTV, and then Joy I'm 456 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: pretty sure did a cover for Mark magazine. But they 457 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: had her out on the road and they're like, well, 458 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: we'll have Brooke have like a huge treasure trove of 459 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Mark Cosmos all this makeup, which, by the way, doesn't 460 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: make any sense because she says to Karen in one 461 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: scene like, oh, I spent the money you gave me. 462 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: And then she's like, look all the stuff I bought 463 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, where'd you get the money for that? Yeah? 464 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: That felt weird that it was me. It was the 465 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: first subscription makeup. Like, remember it was like mary Kay, 466 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: but for you it was mary Kay, but for young 467 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: people was mary Kay. And so it was essentially like 468 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: all these sites that we order from now it's time travel. 469 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: I will say though, I did love what Moira and 470 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: I got to do the way that she explained, you know, 471 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: chores and things and getting to play a little bit 472 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: of the the genuine confusion of like, well, what do 473 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: you mean so I pick one? Like how do I 474 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: pick one? How does it work? Ma'am? And there was 475 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: like a it was sweet for me to look back 476 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: and go, ah, I I chose to play that with 477 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: her in a way that was tender and earnest rather 478 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: than like bitchy and affected exactly, And I really I 479 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: loved it. I was like, oh, I had some good 480 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: instincts going in this episode did because it could have 481 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: been another example of females being written as you know, intolerable. Really, 482 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: there's so many those like intolerable and titled like yeah, 483 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: there's so many things in this script where I'm just like, 484 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: where was the girl in the room to guide this? 485 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: But thankfully we had people on set that could guide things, 486 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: you being one of them. Um. I struggled a lot, 487 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: like if we're taking screen time away from storylines to 488 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: have the butts and the boobs, Jake doing the whole 489 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: custody thing with his daughter without a parent. Presently the 490 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: lawyer is going to meet with us seventeen sixteen, seventeen 491 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: year old kid without a parent. And again these two 492 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: beautiful storylines, Anna and Darby, Anna coming out to her 493 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: parents and then Jake and and his um being caught 494 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: truly in a rock between a rock and a hard place. 495 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's so easy when we think about, you know, 496 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: the law and issues to go, well, there's a right 497 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: and wrong, and this is very black and white. Life 498 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: is gray, it's muddy, it's mixed. And Jake doesn't have 499 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: a good option. He has a bad option and a 500 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: really bad option, and Brian played it so beautifully and 501 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: I just thought, there I was like, why aren't we 502 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: spending more time here with this and and why didn't 503 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: we you know, hire at least one one actor to 504 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: play one of his parents. We didn't even need both 505 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: your right, weird? His mom or his dad could have 506 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: been there, or maybe he had two dads, Like I 507 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: don't know, one parent of any kind could have been there. Well, 508 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: and you know, Brian took a story that was so 509 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: mustache twirling. You know, Nicki has been written so one note. 510 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: It's just like this conniving you know, basically like girl 511 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: Dan just like awful, awful, awful, um very little nuanced 512 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: to that character. And she makes it interesting and she 513 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: does a good job and she's like, that is my daughter, 514 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: and you know what, she is entitled to know her daughter. 515 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: This story that Greenberg has to tell is like so bad. 516 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: Where he's talking about Nikki falling asleep in the car 517 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: and baby Jenny in the back with no blanket, shivering, 518 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: they're sitting outside the bar. You know, it's horrible, and 519 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: it was just so horrible that it all sow made 520 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: me feel like like whoever crafted this episode hates women, 521 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: Like there's just so much stuff in here that the 522 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: woman is either the one yelling or angry or freaking up, 523 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: or there's just so much misogyny, just so easily sprinkled 524 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: throughout this episode that I don't know, I don't know 525 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: I had. I really struggled with the reality of that story, 526 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: because it would be bad enough if she just, like, 527 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, let Jenny be in a dirty diaper for 528 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: a really long time, you know what I mean. But 529 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: they always had to turn it up to like crazy, 530 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: and it made me wonder, like, is that how they 531 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: think women are? Well, you know what I think is 532 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: interesting too, you saying that, like, because we talk a 533 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: lot about how when you make television, you know, of 534 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: any kind, like you need drama. Of course means something 535 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: for characters to go through. But some times I think 536 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: that that requirement for heightened reality can make us a 537 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: little desensitized to how problematic, average quote average things can be. 538 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: Like you saying, what if she had left Jenny in 539 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: a dirty diaper all night? And you know, if someone 540 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: had suggested that there was a writer saying, well, that's 541 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: not a big enough deal, and it is, you know, 542 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: neglect is a big deal. And I am very curious 543 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: about why there is a tendency in so much storytelling, 544 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: to need, the neglect, the failure, the whatever, the problem is, 545 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: to always be you know, a ten out of ten, 546 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: an eleven out of ten. It they take it so 547 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: far that weirdly, I'm in this moment wondering if it 548 00:33:51,280 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: makes us almost less sensitive to the smaller aggressions or 549 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: issues that people go through. Well, So listen, if you're 550 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: watching a TV show and the bad and the Bad Guy, 551 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying that in quotes, does something that's not turned 552 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: up to eleven, maybe it's a four or five, and 553 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: it's something that you've done in your life, it's going 554 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: to affect the way you watch that show or how 555 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: you feel about that character. And so I personally, in 556 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: watching things, appreciate when the aggressions are microaggressions because it's 557 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: like way more relatable to my life. And so I 558 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: like that. It's like, you know, well, you can't divest 559 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: from it. You can't go oh, I would never. I 560 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: would never, never, Dad, Look, I would never um park 561 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: a card outside of a bar and sleep with my 562 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: kid in the middle of winter, you know, with the 563 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: frost on the windows. Right, But when I watch certain 564 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: TV shows or like somebody raises their voice with their 565 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: children and it's traumatic. Then you as a parent have 566 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: to be like, oh god, have I have I been scary? 567 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: Have I raised? And of course I've raised my voice, 568 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: But but it affects me more to see how it 569 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: plays out on screen. I think Nikki's just Emmanuel is 570 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: such a good actress and she's done what she could 571 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: do with this writing where Nikki is just bad news. 572 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: And I would have preferred if, like she was working 573 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: a shift somewhere and fell asleep in the car with Jenny, 574 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: Like if she had like a if she had a thing, 575 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: if she was studying, you know, she's in college or 576 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: was in college. But if there was something that wasn't 577 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: just so evil, you know, women, not every woman is evil. 578 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: Taylor's seducing Nathan, Nikki's trying to kidnap Jenny. You know, 579 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: it just all feels kind of man man not my favorite, 580 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's really just so dialed up. We 581 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: also talked about how we had so many young writers too, 582 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: and so you know, we we really grew to love 583 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: our writers as we got to know them, and a 584 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of them mean male writers. But when you're young, 585 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: you just kind of have to do whatever is on 586 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: the board because you're trying to keep your job, you're 587 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: trying to secure more episodes in the future. It almost 588 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: felt like hunger games in the writing room on our show, 589 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: because everyone was jockeying for the credit. You know. I mean, 590 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: I'll never forget one of one of the writers that 591 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: I think you're referring to, Um who I won't mention 592 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: by name, just until I catch up with him and 593 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: then see if he cares if I say. But I remember, 594 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: you know, sitting all the way flash forward to season eight, 595 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: when you know, we thought we were wrapping the show, 596 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: before we knew we were going to come back for 597 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: the final thirteen of nine, and I remember sitting at 598 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: a you know, bar top having dinner with two of 599 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: the guys who'd been writing on our show from the beginning, 600 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: who started out you know, basically like as grunts in 601 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: the writing room. And they shared with me some stories 602 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: that I didn't know, and they talked about, you know, 603 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: things they had heard about UM in l a like 604 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: starting in season one, you know, like when creepy he 605 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: who we do not speak of on our show, UM 606 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: who was inappropriate with so many people but was real 607 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: inappropriate with me, Like real handsy and it got kind 608 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: of physical. I just like had a knee jerk reaction 609 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: and I hit him like hard. Um. What I didn't 610 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: know is that he went back to the writer's room. 611 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm like himming and hawing and screaming. Um. I think 612 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: the phrase that sticks out to me, and I quote, 613 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: was who does that entitle little bitch thing she is? 614 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: One of the guys said, I don't know, maybe you 615 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: just think she's entitled to not get her ask grabbed 616 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: by her boss like yes, trying to break the tension 617 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: in the room, and then was summarily told, you know, 618 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: do you like having a job here? And it turned 619 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: into a big fight, and they talked about how they 620 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: all learned really quickly that defending us could mean they 621 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: got fired, and they were scared. And I'm sure there 622 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: are people who will say, well, they should have done 623 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: it anyway, But you know, it's not black and white. 624 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: It's really hard. I compared to living in a haunted house. 625 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: So people like, how do you live in a haunted 626 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: house in North Carolina for so long? And it's like 627 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen every day exactly right, It happens like 628 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: once every three months, and it's like, WHOA, that was scary, 629 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: and then it goes back to normal. And that's how 630 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: it is when you're working in a toxic environment, is 631 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: that it's okay. Sometimes some days are okay, some days 632 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: are beautiful, and some days are really terrible. It's I 633 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: think it. It mirrors toxic working environments, really mirror abusive 634 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: relationships there. There is often love there, at least for person. 635 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: And and it's the cycle. It's the roller coaster. You 636 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: never know when it's coming. And so what I appreciated, 637 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, to circle back to the story I started 638 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: to tell. What I appreciated about that conversation is I 639 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: got to hear from these men who were our friends, 640 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: who did become really good defenders of ours as they 641 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: got more solid in their footing, share with me about 642 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: the things they had loved about our job and about 643 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: working together, and the things they carried shame about saying, 644 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, I remember this and it has been burned 645 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: into my brain and I think about it a lot, 646 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: and I'm really sorry I didn't have better tools then, 647 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: and I just want you to know I think about 648 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: it and it was so meaningful to me, and it's 649 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: it's through that lens, like we were talking earlier about 650 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: the nuance right like the good and the bad, and 651 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: you have to be willing to be honest about all 652 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: of it. It's through that lens of accepting that more 653 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: than one thing can be true at the same time 654 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: that I feel like I can look back and go, yeah, 655 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,760 Speaker 1: I get it. There's things I wish I'd done differently, 656 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: and there's things I'm really proud of that I did, 657 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: and it's all jumbled together. But I think that the 658 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: more sort of tolerant we can become of each other, 659 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: and the more vulnerable we can be about I definitely 660 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: wish we could go back and change would be incredible 661 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: because then we can we can certainly at least use 662 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: the lessons to change the course of the future. This 663 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: episod so it is, there's so much good stuff in it. 664 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: I wonder like what it would have looked like if 665 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: Moira directed it? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, 666 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: the glimmers are there. What would it have looked like 667 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: if a woman had put these pieces together? Because Chad 668 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: stuff is good in this episode, like his stuff with 669 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: you is like light and funny, stuff Anna is lovely, 670 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: and then his stuff with Dan is all like, wa, 671 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: maybe that's why Dance such a good character in our show, 672 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: because that's who was really pulling the strings, Like that's 673 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,720 Speaker 1: the character they could connect with the most. Maybe Yeah, 674 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: that's I actually really like that theory. I Also it 675 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: was funny because watching the Lucas and Dan dynamic, I'm 676 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: sitting there going, wait, like when did it turn there 677 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: suddenly at odds Dan suspects look at like it's a 678 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: sudden shift. But I I want to know more. I 679 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: want to know what's going to happen. But now they're 680 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: they're using all these weird literary metaphors about him. I'm like, 681 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: what's wait? I thought that I thought Dan loved having 682 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: him there. I don't know. I don't know what's happening, 683 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: but I need to know more. Well, once the Keith 684 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: secret is out right, that's what Lucas was kind of protecting. 685 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: I suppose. Um he makes the comment to Dan at 686 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: some point where he's like, I'm just here so I 687 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: can get my medication, Like that's the only reason I'm 688 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: You're paying for my meds and I need them to 689 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: stay alive. Yeah, and then you're right, like all the 690 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: very exposition e like book references like I didn't know 691 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 1: you were a fan of Arthur Conan Doyle. He's like, well, 692 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,479 Speaker 1: Moriarty's the villain. That's one interpretation. I was like, what's happening. Yeah, yeah, 693 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: someone had just read that book and was like, guys, 694 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: we use this. But then you know, there's there's this 695 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: incredibly sweet element and it and it connects through from 696 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: the last episode where Lucas has made it clear to 697 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: other people that he has feelings for Brooke, but he's 698 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: not putting it on her, which I think is another 699 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: really important thing to have a boy model. And when 700 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: he's laughing about you know, her cleaning the floor with 701 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: a sponge and he says, you know, Broke, this is 702 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: a mop. He says that he will split the chores 703 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: with her, and she says, you would do that for me? 704 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: And he says, anything for you. And it's this moment 705 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: where he's confessing his feelings but not kind of running 706 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: her over with them, and it's the first time you 707 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: see her register it, like wait what, and it's it's generous. 708 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: He's done all these generous things to help her, given 709 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: her his room, and you know he's showing up to 710 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: make sure she's okay. He's the one who says, Karen 711 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: cares about you enough to ground you. Yeah, these are 712 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: all lessons for her. It's nice to see the similarities 713 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: between what Luke is doing for Brooke and then what 714 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: Andy is doing for Karen and Lucas, because the second 715 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: Lucas finds stuff, he trusts this new boyfriend of his 716 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 1: mom enough to go and be like, what are we 717 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: going to do? And he's like, I gotta I gotta 718 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: do this, and Andy's like, no, we gotta do this. 719 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily a gift to Lucas, that's a 720 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: gift to Lucas's mom. It's like, I'm going to handle 721 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: your for you so you don't even have to think 722 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: about it. And so then for Lucas to turn around 723 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: and do it with Brooke, that's what you do. You 724 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: help people carry their bags. That's love. It's really it's 725 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: really refreshed, Shang and it interestingly, as much as I hated, 726 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: you know, the villainous vixen on steroids thing that they 727 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: always did to Taylor, Um, Lindsay McKeon is so damn charming. 728 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,959 Speaker 1: She's good man. Her words your words like real, more 729 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: real things to do. But I I will say that 730 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: as much as I hated, you know, the gaze of 731 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: the dynamic that she was asked to play, I really 732 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: did like the simplicity of that moment for Nathan when 733 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: he says I can't do this, and she says because 734 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: of Haley, and he says no because of me, and 735 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: and Nathan is saying or he doesn't say no, but 736 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: he says because of me. He doesn't want to be 737 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: that guy. He doesn't want to fall back on his 738 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: old validation tricks, which is very much what Brooks gone 739 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: through too. I don't just want to be validated by 740 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: what I used to use to validate myself. It's a 741 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: cool thing in a yucky storyline. It's a cool moment 742 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: to have a guy say no, I want to be 743 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: a better man. And both of these brothers, in their 744 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: own way are trying to learn to be better men. Yeah. 745 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: I liked seeing James blow off steam. I mean that 746 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: was that was fun um. But yeah, I I don't 747 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: know that whole bit was just like weird. She did 748 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: such a good job with what she had because the 749 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: whole thing of like, you know you you haven't been 750 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: labeled yet, and I have, and so I'm just gonna 751 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: double down and I'm going to commit to the thing 752 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: that I am. I'm a party. Um, but you're not 753 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,320 Speaker 1: there yet, kiddo. Yeah, you have a chance. A wish 754 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: it had come more from her as the older person 755 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: than Nathan rejecting her. Do you know what I mean? 756 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: It was like it was like they're going for it 757 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: together and then he rejects her because she's the sultry 758 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: vixen and her comeback is, well, I wasn't gonna kiss 759 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: you anyway. Yeah, it's all male. But it's all male fantasy. 760 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: It's what you were saying. It's like it's the it's 761 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: the gross older guy with the pen. It's his dream 762 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: of how available a hot girl would be to him, 763 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: and it's just like, not not real. I would have 764 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: loved instead is if they'd gone upstairs and she had 765 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: just put on like a kettle and like made him 766 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,720 Speaker 1: tea or you know, like I had been like, Okay, 767 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: you've had your fun, do you feel better? Okay, now 768 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: here's what's going to happen, And instead it just got 769 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: taken right to the edge there when it even what 770 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: was going on was crossing a boundary. You know, I 771 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 1: certainly don't want to think. O, look, can you imagine 772 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: that real life? Just like no, no, no, it's a 773 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: it is a hard pass. But Taylor coming down the 774 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: next day and encouraging him to pick I wish that 775 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: conversation happened the night before. Maybe that's what I'm trying 776 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: to say. Yes, I agree, And again credit to her, 777 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: Lindsey delivered so much under it. She she personalized that 778 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: idea of humans who self sabotage sometimes when when when 779 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: human beings feel like they are beyond redemption, sometimes they 780 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: go even further towards that which has hurt them. And 781 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: and I thought she did all of this great work 782 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: to give more quality to those words. But I do 783 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I would have loved if when 784 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: they got upstairs and he was like coming up after her, 785 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,479 Speaker 1: thinking it was going to be a thing, she walked 786 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: into the room and turned around with just like a 787 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: blank face, like all right, cut the did you have 788 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: fun flirting with my friends? Did you have fun dancing 789 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: on the bar? What's really going on? Like, yeah, if 790 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: you're behaving this way, you're in pain. Let's talk about it. 791 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: It would have been so unexpected, it would have been 792 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: a cooler turn right, as opposed to the pushed up 793 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 1: against the wall, heavy breathing Oh oh, Lindsay, she's so 794 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: good man. She knows how to make that work. And again, 795 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: we we weren't in positions back then to really like 796 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 1: push back against too much. You get hired to play 797 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: the hot girl. You gotta play the hot girl. You 798 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: know that's your gig. Now we know that's smartest hot 799 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 1: and and boss he's hot, right right, Yeah, that's why 800 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: when like Twitter first came out, I started that smartest 801 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: sexy hashtag, I'm like hard, I sure did. I'm like, 802 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: you know what's hot? Being smart? Your brain is hot. 803 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: The rest of it is like window dressing. I don't care. 804 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. And that's what I 805 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: think about that. The end of the episode Parents, is 806 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: there anything that we missed? Dan's bag of money hold on? 807 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dan's creepy money laundering, whatever that is. I 808 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: loved Anna taking Darby's advice and practicing her speech in 809 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: her mirror and the way they did that reveal shot 810 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: that she was no longer in front of the mirror, 811 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 1: but she was in front of her parents and you 812 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: just saw them blurry in the mirror. I thought that 813 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: was a beautiful directing choice. That's like, that's cool camera work. 814 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: Something that really also stood out to me that I 815 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: found myself so surprised by. And I know this is 816 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: like splitting hairs, but you know, I love words, She says, Mom, Dad, 817 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: you know I love you, but there's something I have 818 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: to tell you. And I was like why, but why? 819 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:09,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a what a thing to specifically choose, 820 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: because so many people, especially in two thousand five, thoughts 821 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,280 Speaker 1: I love you, but I'm going to tell you something 822 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: about myself and you might not love me anymore. It 823 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 1: broke my heart. Yeah, like if my eventual kid kids 824 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: ever had to say to me, Mom, this is this 825 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,759 Speaker 1: thing about my identity. I don't want there to be 826 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: a butt in that sentence. I don't want them to 827 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: feel that pressure. The assumption is I'm going to say 828 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: something that ruins that love. Yeah, instead of I love 829 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: you and I have something I want to tell you. 830 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: I love you, and there's something I've been keeping from 831 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: you because I'm scared the I love you, but I 832 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 1: can't I wrote but in huge letters in my notes. 833 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: It just it. I don't know it killed me. I 834 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: wish we'd got to keep her after this, Like, No, 835 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: that's what killed me, is I was like, we we 836 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 1: made all this progress, she went through the whole journey. Yeah, 837 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: and now she's going back to boarding school. I know 838 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: how important it would it have been for like teens 839 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: that really connected with Anna to half or there to 840 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: have her there, To have her out at Tree Hill High, 841 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: to have her, you know, fall in love, to to 842 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: have somebody at school be to her about her identity 843 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,319 Speaker 1: and one of us punch him in the nose, Like 844 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: it would have been great too to have had her there. Yeah, 845 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: she's worth more than just the journey of getting there. Like, 846 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: let's see the rest of it. Um, maybe if she 847 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,240 Speaker 1: put on leather pants and done a coyote ugly dance, 848 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: you gotta kept her. That's what we're gonna do for 849 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,760 Speaker 1: our fortieth birthday this summer, is we are gonna dance 850 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: on a freaking boar in little tiny baby pants and 851 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: in really tight, like painted on leather pants. Are those 852 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: bars still open in New York? I don't know, but 853 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: let's go find one. It was a moment. I bet 854 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: they'd let us do it at our old haunts if 855 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: we just asked, can we climb on here? You mind? 856 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 1: If we just get up on this bar, I'll clorox 857 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: wipe the bottom of my boots. Room all right? Do 858 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: we have fan questions? We sure do? Okay, Um, well 859 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: this is funny. Letitia wants to know if we got 860 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: a tattoo together to celebrate our days in Wilmington, what 861 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: would it be? We've decided where where it won't be 862 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: stay up, so it's no that that piece of skin 863 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: remains like my day I was born and it will 864 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,919 Speaker 1: always be sweet and pale and tender baby flesh. Um, 865 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: what would it be? I mean, we've been talking a 866 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: lot about this is it? Are we getting a raven? 867 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: Are we getting a crown? Are we getting Roman numerals? 868 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: Are we We don't know yet. Guys, we want to 869 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: know what tattoos y'all are getting. Can you send us 870 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: some art please? I love seeing those cos it's so nice. 871 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: Someone comes up and they've got like people always leave 872 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: on their arm and I'm like, oh baby, but we're 873 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: right here, but we're back here. Somebody sent rom the 874 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: other day of um like this is this is the 875 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: place like right here, like under their under under their 876 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 1: collar bone that I thought was very pretty interesting. I 877 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: like it. I like a like a long slender shoulder here. 878 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: I know one of my guy friends has a tattoo 879 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,160 Speaker 1: that starts under his ear and comes down to whatever 880 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,280 Speaker 1: muscle this is and then goes down onto the shoulder bone, 881 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: and it is so pretty. All I think about though now, 882 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,399 Speaker 1: because all my tattoos are white, because I never wanted 883 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: to have have to get them covered at work, and 884 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: then I got this stupid one on my arm in black. 885 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I love it, it's beautiful, but the time 886 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: I have to spend in the hair and makeup chair 887 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: every morning, I'm like, it wasn't worth it. It just 888 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 1: wasn't worth it. So now anytime I think about where 889 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: I might want a tattoo, I think how exposed is 890 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: it and how often will I have to add an 891 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,359 Speaker 1: hour to my morning to get it covered. You gotta 892 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: put it in places where if you ever get asked 893 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: to do a nude scene in the future, you're like, 894 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: oh man, I'm so sorry I got all these tattoos. 895 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,799 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. You should probably just get a 896 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 1: body double. Um. I just recently got this huge tattoo 897 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: on my hip I didn't know it was gonna be 898 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,760 Speaker 1: that big it is. Um it was from my friend's 899 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: sporty the third day. So those that's there now, Um, 900 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 1: I got one hip left for us and then were 901 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: the kind of girls to get like thigh tattoos. Now 902 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: I think they're kind of sexy. I do too, you 903 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,879 Speaker 1: know what, I really do think we need to make 904 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: some temporary ones and just stick them all over us 905 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,879 Speaker 1: and figure out where we like them. Try some things out. Yeah, yeah, 906 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,680 Speaker 1: all right, Well you guys send us some ideas. We'll 907 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: get it turned into temporary tattoos. We'll try some things out. 908 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll even get you guys some If you want 909 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200 Speaker 1: some temporary tattoos. Maybe we should just make them. I 910 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 1: think we ought to. I think we ought to. Alright, Letitia, 911 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 1: what else do we have? Michelle wants to know what's 912 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: your favorite thing about Peyton, Brooke and Haley's friendship and 913 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 1: what's your favorite thing about your friendship between you all 914 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: in real life? M hmmm. I like that we all 915 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,320 Speaker 1: give each other's space to be good at different stuff, 916 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,840 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like Peyton, Brooke and 917 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,520 Speaker 1: Haley all did that, and and I think that we 918 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: do that in real life. Like, look, all three of 919 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 1: us like to sing, but we know Joy's the real singer. Yeah, 920 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: that's her, that's her thing. We all are super involved 921 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 1: in advocacy, but like you're the senator, like that's your thing. 922 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm the farmer, you know, like we all everyone has bees, 923 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: but I'm the one that's like really dirty. You know, 924 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: you have like a full blown farm. So we give 925 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: each other space and don't like step on each other 926 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,120 Speaker 1: with these passions because identity is something that's sacred. Yeah, 927 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,560 Speaker 1: And you know what I think is is special too, 928 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: is knowing we all have a lot of overlapping loves. 929 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: Each of us who is kind of the expert at 930 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 1: whatever we're expert at, supports the others in coming towards 931 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: our thing. Like, I've seen a lot of friendships, and 932 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: I think especially among younger women, because society teaches us 933 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: that we are each other's competition, which is so dumb. 934 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 1: Like that's the ultimate misogynistic trick is to keep women 935 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,640 Speaker 1: fighting so we don't pay attention and kick these guys asses. 936 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: Um uh. I've seen female friendships get really tense when 937 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: it's like, no, that's my thing, You're competitorial. And one 938 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 1: of the things I love so much about all of 939 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 1: us is that it's like, oh, you want to try 940 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: this thing I love, Come here, let me tell you 941 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: how I did it. Let me tell you what works, 942 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,160 Speaker 1: let me tell you what to feedure bees, let me 943 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 1: tell you what it's It's very inclusive and welcoming. And 944 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,200 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, our our characters did versions 945 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: of that on screen as well, and I think it's 946 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,240 Speaker 1: probably the reason why so many people talk about how 947 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,440 Speaker 1: they want friendships like Brooke and Peyton and Hayley's and 948 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: and I just think, like, oh, man, so much better 949 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 1: in real life. We're not kissing the same dudes, and 950 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: real god, we sure did dodge that bullet. I mean, 951 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 1: at least I think we did. Yeah, we know what. 952 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 1: You know what. I also will say that I really 953 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 1: like because we're, you know, honest blood ladies. I like 954 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,479 Speaker 1: that we all really big up each other's husbands too. Yes, 955 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: it's it's really sweet and like, guys, we like, we 956 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: really go in on it. Like I'll send you guys 957 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: a photo and you guys are like, Grant looks hot, 958 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: and like you guys posted your thing about your about 959 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 1: the Booze launched, and I was like, Hillary, Jeff looks 960 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 1: freaking hot. Like we we go so hard for each 961 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: other that now we like go really hard for each 962 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: other's partners. Yeah, you have to be with the three 963 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 1: of us. You can't be with one of us. You know. 964 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,280 Speaker 1: It's like we're a package deal. And I love that it. 965 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 1: It isn't just like, oh he's being sweeter or oh 966 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: he did that nice thing for you. Like we're you know, 967 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: we like, we like what we like, we like what 968 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 1: we like. I'm trying to think about what the word is. 969 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not like we we don't flirt with it, 970 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: that's not it. But we we cheerlead all the things, 971 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: including like yes, you you nailed it, the children, making 972 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: any sense, like can't find the words right, No, it 973 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: makes total sense because you know your spouse always um 974 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,760 Speaker 1: is more supportive when they feel included. And we've been 975 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: in relationships in the past where our partners either haven't 976 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 1: felt included or felt slighted, and it makes jealous. Yeah, 977 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: they're jealous of the time and stuff like that. And 978 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: so I think we all make an effort to love 979 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 1: on each other's special people, whether it's kids or spouses 980 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: or best friends or whatever, so that it's inclusive. So 981 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 1: to answer Michelle's question, you know, collaboration over competitiveness and 982 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:45,000 Speaker 1: inclusivity are I think the most important parts of our friendships. 983 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Just love up on your people's people. It makes everything 984 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: play nice in the sand box. Yeah. I like that. 985 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 1: I like that a lot. We have one last question, Leah, 986 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: the last o t h CO star you texted besides 987 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,560 Speaker 1: the three of you? I mean, I did that this morning. 988 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Minds Brian Greenberg. I was on the phone with him yesterday. 989 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:12,360 Speaker 1: I texted you and Danille and Joy this morning. Yeah 990 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: we have Daniel. Yeah, squad, we we just we love 991 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 1: our people. We're pretty lucky. Baby. You want to spend 992 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: a wheel? I really want to spend a wheel. Let's go. Ok, 993 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,439 Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's do it. You know what, Hey, 994 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you because this episode was a real 995 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: stinker for me, and you helped me see the bright side. 996 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. I love that all right? Are most likely 997 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:44,000 Speaker 1: to scream at a spider? Scream as a spider? I 998 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 1: mean in real life? I don't know, I don't I 999 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean all the chicks on our show 1000 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: were like dames. You know it was really a flower. 1001 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 1: There was just like a giant black widow in my 1002 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: garage and one of my friends was over here like, 1003 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like, let me just go 1004 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 1: get a board. I'll kill it. I'm gonna get a 1005 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,840 Speaker 1: cup and a piece of paper, and I mean, I 1006 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 1: smashed the poisonous ones, but yeah, I don't. I've got 1007 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 1: a collection of their little corpses. Um. You know who 1008 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,560 Speaker 1: I would love to see have the like at a 1009 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: spider scene on our show would be Skills. I think 1010 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,840 Speaker 1: Antoine would make that so funny. He's good at that 1011 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,800 Speaker 1: physical comedy. Like if Skills were afraid of spiders, it 1012 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 1: would be completely unexpected and hilarious and he would ad 1013 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: lib something great and it would just Yeah, it would 1014 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:44,840 Speaker 1: be a very hilarious scene. Do we think Antoine scared 1015 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,439 Speaker 1: of Spider's in real life? Probably not. He's so chill, 1016 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: he'd be like whatever, there's no sissies on Tree Hill. Friends, 1017 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: We're having toughest nails. What's our next episode, babe? We're 1018 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,680 Speaker 1: getting close to the end of season two, the nineteen 1019 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: coming up. It is I'm wide awake, it's morning. Do 1020 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 1: we think it's going to get better. Do we think 1021 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: it's going to be like I want the haleyback. I 1022 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 1: will say we've had these sort of cyclical moments where 1023 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 1: when we have a show that really creeps us out, 1024 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: often the next one is pretty good, Like, so I'm 1025 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: hoping that that's the way this is going to go. 1026 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Eighteen was just kind of a slightly 1027 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 1: unfortunate blip on the radar. 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