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Speaker 1: Kitty Uh. We bring back classic episodes from our catalog

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Speaker 1: what have you been doing out there? Here? He goes

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Speaker 1: from UFOs to goists and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, we're here. Most importantly you're here. It's what

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Speaker 1: at this house when these murders happened, and he writes

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00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: sort of a fictionalized account of how he um managed

426
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: to not be there and when it up happening, and

427
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: sort of the aftermath of it, But he doesn't really

428
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: write it like as a first person, like from his

429
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: own perspectives. It's very interesting if you want to learn

430
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: more about it, that's a good good place to start.

431
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: So the next night Um Manson felt like the they

432
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: had not done the best job at the at how

433
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: so they wanted to give it another go, I guess,

434
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: so they went to the home of a supermarket executive

435
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: named Leno La Bianca where he and his wife Rosemary,

436
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: who owned a dress shop, lives. It was in the

437
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: Los Fillies neighborhood of Los Angeles, and it was during

438
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: this uh kind of killing spree that Manson and his

439
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: followers would cover the walls in different phrases that later

440
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: became iconic, like Helter Skelter and Death to the Pigs,

441
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: and um this idea of him trying to start a

442
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: race war. Rise held Skelter is obviously a reference to

443
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: the Beatles song Helter Skelter off of the White album Right,

444
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: and there's another connection. Two interesting side notes before we

445
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: go on. There are more suspected murders on part of

446
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: Manson and the Manson family out there in the desert,

447
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: and people aren't sure who else got caught, who was

448
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: killed in Los Angeles and just not associated with it.

449
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Helter Skelter could have been much worse. In fact, one

450
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: of the reasons it wasn't it's because a guy of

451
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: a guy who doesn't get enough credit in the story,

452
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: a fellow named Paul Crockett, retired prospector who had also

453
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: studied oddly enough scientology and apparently began to d program

454
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: some of the people Paul's some of the people in

455
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: the Manson family. Paul Crockett's story is mysterious to me.

456
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: I invite you listeners to look it up and let

457
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: me know what you think. We covered it briefly in

458
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: one of our earlier videos, but there's there's a lot

459
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: more to that story that remains untold, And uh, you know,

460
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: I feel like we're we might be getting closer to

461
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: falling into a Charles Manson podcast. You know, it's really

462
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: interesting stuff there for sure. Um. One a little side

463
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: note and kind of bringing it back to the music thing,

464
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: we definitely went down at a little bit of rabbit hole. Um.

465
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: The La Bianca Mansion, actually the Tape Mansion was was demolished.

466
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how long ago, but it's been

467
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: some years. The La Bianca Mansion still stands and has

468
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: had some renovations done. But Um, Trent Resner from nine

469
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: Inch Nails actually rented that mansion in order to make

470
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: their iconic record, The Downward Spiral Um. And he was

471
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: fascinated by you know, the Manson mythology and all of

472
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: that as well. Um. And so I mean it just

473
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of comes back to this connection with music and

474
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: the occults and you know, true believers versus you know,

475
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: showman and um, you know, I think there is some

476
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: shock value and being sort of like a fringe like

477
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: sort of a dark musician, a dark artist, kind of

478
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: like like Ninch Nails kind of has like a sort

479
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: of a sinister, kind of a creepy vibe to it,

480
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: and like saying we made our record in the house

481
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: where the Manson murders happened. And you know what this

482
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: reminds me of is a story that inspired part of

483
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: this podcast, which you had told me originally off air,

484
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: and I had no idea about this. Yeah, I mean,

485
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that I wanted to

486
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: explore this Manson connection. What this made me think of

487
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: as this story about one of my favorite artists musicians

488
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: of all times, David Bowie. And in the mid seventies,

489
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: Bowie was deep in his thin white duke phase, and

490
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: anyone who knows about Bowie would recognize the look of

491
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: David Bowie during this period easily super thin, very pale,

492
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: and a lot of that had to do with the

493
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: fact that he was just off the rails on cocaine

494
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: at the time. But during this period he actually lived

495
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: in a mansion that was just down the road from

496
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the La Bianca House, which is where that second set,

497
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: arguably the more grizzly set of of Manson murders took

498
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: place and during ing this period, and a lot of

499
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: this is this is from the book that I mentioned earlier,

500
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: which is called Um How the Occult Saved Rock and Roll?

501
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Definitely worth checking out. You can get as an e

502
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: book on Amazon. Um. During this period, he had just

503
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: completely lost himself to this cocaine addiction. And I mean,

504
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: you're David Bowie. He was just obscenely famous at this point.

505
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, he should get wherever he wanted. He had

506
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: this mansion, he was probably not leaving very often, just

507
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: getting piles of cocaine delivered to him. And he started

508
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: worrying about things like the like Nazi conspiracies, the Manson murders. Um,

509
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, his own bodily essences and bodily fluids and

510
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: what that meant, you know, like sort of like that

511
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: character in UM Dr Strange Love who's always talking about

512
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: his precious, precious bodily fluids. Definitely a lot of paranoia

513
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: going on there, UM. And he became convinced that because

514
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: of the proximity to the La Bianca house, there were

515
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: levolent spirits that were invading his world, whether it was

516
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: his his home, his psyche, you know, all over the place.

517
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: So he decided, um to seek the help of what

518
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: we would refer to as a white witch, a follower

519
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: of the Right hand path exactly. So the house that

520
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Bowie was renting belonged to a guy named Glenn Hughes,

521
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: who was the basis for the band Deep Purple, Smoke

522
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: on the Water and things like that. And this is

523
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: a quote from a guy named Mark Spitz who wrote

524
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: a Bowie biography. Um, I don't know if it was

525
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: particularly sanctioned, but it definitely exists. Was or he was

526
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: around during these days, and the author of Season of

527
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: the Witch did use him as a as a source

528
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: in several occasions. So here's a quote from him describing, um,

529
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: what Hughes thought about David's David by situation line quote,

530
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: He felt inclined to go on very bizarre tangents about

531
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Alistair Crowley, or the Nazis or numerals a lot. He

532
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: was fleetly wired, maniacally wired. I could not keep up

533
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: with him. He was on the edge all the time

534
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: of paranoia and also going on about things I had

535
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: no freaking idea of what he was talking about. He'd

536
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: go into a rap on it and I wouldn't know

537
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. And then, as Bowie himself

538
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: remembered in this up in this from this book, my

539
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: other fascination was with the Nazis and their search for

540
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: the Holy Grail. I paid with the worst manic depression

541
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: of my life. My psyche went through the roof. It

542
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: just fractured into pieces. I was hallucinating twenty four hours

543
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: a day. I felt like I'd fallen into the bowels

544
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: of the earth. So it was during this period for

545
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: David Bowie that he reached out to someone named Cherry Vanilla,

546
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: who was one of a former employee of Bowie's management

547
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: company who had been around and witnessed much of his

548
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: debauchery and paranoia, and she was the one who put

549
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: him in touch with this white witch named Wally elm Lark.

550
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: And the idea was that elm Lark would come into

551
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: this mansion in LUs Veleas and exercise the place, um,

552
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, saging it and just kind

553
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: of like performing some rituals to clear it of evil

554
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: spirits and sage. And it would be when you burn

555
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: sage around different areas of a place, right exactly. So, Noel,

556
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: I have to ask something that's probably on the mind

557
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: of at least a few listeners here. Do you think

558
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: there were evil spirits on the premises? Well? Uh, to

559
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: quote Dave Chappelle doing Rick James, Cocaine's a hell of

560
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: a drug. That's yeah, that's what I I to quote

561
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Rick James doing Rick James, yea, Cocaine's a hell of

562
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: a drug apparently. Yeah, And I mean it does sound

563
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: like Bowie was just out of his mind with paranoia,

564
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: and um, you know, when you get that way and

565
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: you feel like you can't trust anybody, you see devils

566
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: at every turn, you know. Um, you know there is

567
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: an account just to wrap this this little story up,

568
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: which I think is is fun. Um this I don't know,

569
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: not fun. I mean, definitely, the guy was in in

570
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: a very very dark place. He was in a very

571
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: dark place, and for someone to be able to offer

572
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: him some sort of help, whether it was BS or not,

573
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: I can't really fault him too much. He's okay, No,

574
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: he's definitely okay. Shockingly okay, look at the guy. He

575
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: looks like he's twenty years old. It's bizarre. Um. So

576
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, this Wally elm Lark character did end up

577
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: coming into the house and she, uh you know, apparently,

578
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: according to those present, successfully exercised the swimming pool. That

579
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: was the first thing she wanted to do. That he

580
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: was exercise of the swimming pool. And um, this is

581
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: a quote from uh backstage passes Life on the wild

582
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Side with David Bowie, which is a memoir by Angie Bowie,

583
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: who was David's wife during this period, and she says,

584
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: quote at a certain point in the ritual, the pool

585
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: began to bubble. It bubbled vigorously, perhaps thrashed as a

586
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: better term, in a manner inconsistent with any explanation involving

587
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: filters and the like. And then Mark Spitz from earlier

588
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: from this unauthorized Bowie uh memoir, I guess Um wrote,

589
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: quote Elmlark wrote a series of spells and incantations out

590
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: for Bowie in case the demons returned for a dip,

591
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: and remained on call for Bowie as he continued to

592
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: wrestle with the forces of darkness. Wow, I'm gonna say

593
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: cocaine if I had to to choose one. Not to

594
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: be too skeptical about it. But we see, okay, so

595
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: we see this, We see this edge of madness intersecting

596
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: with some of the the appearance of madness which is

597
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: good for marketing, right, versus just this strange the strange

598
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: situations you get into when you catapult to this unprecedented

599
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: level of fame and success. But but madness aside, let's

600
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: take a closer look at the people who, regardless of

601
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: drug use or anything like that, sincerely believe that they

602
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: are part of an occult movement or part of a

603
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: magical working. We know, the allegations of some sort of

604
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: demonic worship are pretty old, you know, the predate Bowie

605
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: of course, the in popular music and rock music, especially

606
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: for instance, the Rolling Stones have been accused of this,

607
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: and even like led Zeppelin, the idea backwards masking and

608
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: um messages hidden that were like embedded in the inner

609
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: ring of an help he um for example, things like that,

610
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: right exactly, and this, you know, this goes into something

611
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: interesting that we can explore, the idea of the moral panic, right,

612
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: the satanic panic. But before we do that, uh, there,

613
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: there are a couple other things we should talk about. There.

614
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: There is evidence, as you've said, of real occult conspiracies

615
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: in music, one of the biggest ones of course, being

616
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: that members of the black metal scene in some Scandinavian

617
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: countries did conspire to burn churches. Now, as for the

618
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: motivation of that, it probably isn't the same motivation behind

619
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: every single church burning, because they're different groups doing it, right,

620
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: And we mentioned this earlier, the idea that it was

621
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: in large part um at active rebellion against you know,

622
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: the the idea of sort of what they might perceive

623
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: as an oppressive puritanical um you know, not government exactly,

624
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: but just sort of like our hierarchy, I guess, the

625
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: dogma exactly. So there's certainly that um aspect of it.

626
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: But uh, there's also this idea of being like it's

627
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: almost like a gang mentality where you have to do

628
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: these initiations in order to show that you're completely behind

629
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: what the gang is about. Is very similar with some

630
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: of these black metal groups where they're you know, burning

631
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: the churches to show their commitment, to demonstrate their commitment

632
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: to these ideals. Um, and why don't you talk a

633
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: little bit about what some of those ideals might be

634
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: and what some of these other initiations might have been. Okay,

635
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 1: these other ideals, these other initiations in this I think

636
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: initiation is a perfect word. One thing would be the

637
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: assumption of a different name. In magical orders, it's common

638
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: for someone who is initiated to take upon a new name, right,

639
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: a name that is used within the order and that

640
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: also becomes a new identity for other rituals that one

641
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: would one would take to show allegiance to a dark force.

642
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: Of course, there are things that are you know, there

643
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: are agreements, actual written down agreements, for instance. And this

644
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: goes back we mentioned Faust of Eustis is based on

645
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: real person, a guy named Dr Johann George Fauss, and

646
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: in the Tail Dr Faust which is of course um

647
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: inspired by the actual Faust. Uh. Dr Faustus sells his

648
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: soul via a document for seven years of earthly pleasures

649
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: I believe, at the end of which he's his soul

650
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: is forfeit. And during the witch hunts in Europe there

651
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: were quite a few people who were accused of signing

652
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: packs with the devils, sometimes no even with papers provided,

653
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: and like the signature of the devil, which not to

654
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: you know. Far be it from me to cast a

655
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: shadow on their methodology and the inquisition. But that sounds

656
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: a little convenient. But when we talk about rituals and

657
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: initiations brings us to something that is probably a story

658
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: for a different time. Murders, suicides. There there are several

659
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: very strange cases in the world of metal. But maybe

660
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: metal deserves its own episode. Yeah, I think it really does.

661
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot going on there. But we mentioned

662
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: the band, or maybe we didn't, but Mayhem UM was

663
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: a very popular Norwegian black metal band UM that ultimately

664
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: it's members ended up sort of being on different ideological

665
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: sides more or less, and two of them UM got

666
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: into a serious altercation that involved two of members, Uronymous

667
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: and a guy by the name of barg Erknus bar

668
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: Verkness who also has YouTube chair also if you want to,

669
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: if you're interested. He went to prison for a long time,

670
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: but I believe he is out now. Um murdered. Uh,

671
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: this guy Uronymous whould kind of taken him under his

672
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: wing in what some would argue was simply, uh, you know,

673
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: an altercation between two um folks that that maybe didn't

674
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: see eye to eye on some things. But this isn't

675
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: occasion that ultimately ended in uh Eronymous receiving twenty three

676
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: stab wounds, two to the head, five to the neck,

677
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: and sixteen to the back. So I mean, as far

678
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: as ritualistic murders go, you know, if it was just

679
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: a beef between two dudes, probably could have just stopped

680
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: with the one, you know what I mean, certainly, Um,

681
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: but this also goes back to my by my previous

682
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: point about this having kind of like a gang mentality

683
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: or like a cult, which brings us to UH in

684
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Of the next point on our list, Yes,

685
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: ain't that fresh and everyone wants to get down like that?

686
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Our next our next topic here is hip hop and

687
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 1: the Illuminati. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to show,

688
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: then the odds are that you may well be one

689
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: of the people over the years who have requested that

690
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: we talk about the Illuminati and tip hop, that we

691
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: explore it. So what's the gist of this snel? So

692
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: this idea that successful hip hop stars are ultimately tools

693
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: of the Illuminati, which is a shadowy group controlling the

694
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: world through various financial, political, military, and cultural means allegedly. Right,

695
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: we have a we have a three part YouTube series

696
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: on it. We've talked at length about Adam Bioshops and

697
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: the founders, the various contradictory stories about what may or

698
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: may not be the Illuminati, the different groups who consider

699
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: themselves the Illuminati instead of other groups. And so you know,

700
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: back to alleged things. Um, the alleged evidence of this

701
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: connection UH is well, you know you don't have to

702
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: look far. You can just get on YouTube, for example,

703
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: and and find just tons of these examples that show

704
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: various musicians using symbols like the all seeing I which covering.

705
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: You'll see clips of one person covering one eye, and

706
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: then whomever uploaded the video will say proof illuminati, which

707
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: life is probably a little bit of a strong term,

708
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: strong term. It's interesting. There's definitely a collection this stuff,

709
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: some more ideas um for a lot of folks. This belief,

710
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: uh proves that the shadowy connections, rather than luck or talent,

711
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: beside the success of an entertainer. Yeah, but there's a

712
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: fair counterpoint here. Nor if this stuff is supposed to

713
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: be so secret, then why would somebody show these symbols,

714
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: these arcane you know, a secret handshakes or gestures on

715
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: globally broadcasted videos. And it goes back to a lot

716
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: of the stuff we were talking about earlier with the

717
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: history of rock and using some of these symbols and

718
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: backwards masking, and you know, the belief versus the showmanship

719
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: of it. You know, I think there's a lot to

720
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: be said of planting intriguing arcane images and symbols and

721
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: your work it's just it's it's neat, it's it's fascinating.

722
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, people are intrigued by all kinds of things

723
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: without necessarily having to be fully on board with every

724
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: ideological you know, um idea right with the philosophy behind something. Yeah,

725
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely true. Jay Z in some interviews it

726
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: makes me chuckled because I'm a fan of jay Z.

727
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: He's regularly said he's not part of the illuminati, and

728
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: he feels like has to say a references and verses

729
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I don't know, maybe we have some

730
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: listeners who believe that they're legitimately is something to this.

731
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't deny that there is a power behind the curtain,

732
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: behind the throne, behind the scenes of the music industry

733
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: in probably by genre, in country and and and it's

734
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: probably like some unseen mob boss type figure in Mariotti music,

735
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, so hip hop's different. So my my question then,

736
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: is is it more likely that these entertainers are to

737
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: Knowl's point, seeking to capitalize on beliefs to stay edging

738
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: in the public eye, or is there something there is there,

739
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: some nefarious group of ultimately devil worshippers behind the scenes

740
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: Because in the eighties and the nineties, America thought so well.

741
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they say the love of money,

742
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, is the root of all evil. And to

743
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: me and a lot of these entertainment scenarios, money is

744
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: the is the devil you don't see, you know that

745
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: like is driving all of these things. And I mean

746
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: that's that's where the tastemakers come from. The folks that

747
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: that hold all the all the chips are the ones

748
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: that choose who you know, gets the hits ultimately. And

749
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean there's certainly something to be said of public

750
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: opinion and people going viral and things like that, but

751
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Uh, largely it's a

752
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: numbers game. You know, it's like who's getting the resources,

753
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: who's who's getting all of the pr and who's who's

754
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: like actually, you know, commanding that kind of power. And

755
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to take a look at

756
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: this this thing, the Satanic panic that swept the us.

757
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Some of you may be a little too young, but

758
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: some of you may be old enough to remember this. Uh.

759
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: The the Satanic panic is something that came about. It's

760
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: considered a moral panic comparable to witch hunts. For instance,

761
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: in Europe or the Red Scare with McCarthy ism, and

762
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: the idea was that there was a vast, overarching conspiracy

763
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: on the part of everyone from rock musicians to heavy

764
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: metal musicians, to blues musicians to racy singers, to poison

765
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: the minds and souls of children, taking them into the

766
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: abyssal plane of hell for their time. They are that

767
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: they are kind of a low hanging fruit. Honestly, they

768
00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: are very suggestible. I'm kidding. It started in right, it's

769
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: the it's people who have mental issues brought on by

770
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: their advanced age. So it's pretty much preschools and nursing homes.

771
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: It's where he is where he really tried to sell

772
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: that heavy metal right totally. But anyhow, this so this

773
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: starts in the nineteen seventies. Uh, and it's this idea

774
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: that there's this vast underground network of Satanists controlling everything. Uh.

775
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: It rose and peaked in the eighties and nineties, but

776
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: it's pretty much gone today. The first part of it

777
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: that really launched this was a book called The Satan

778
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: Seller by a guy named Mike Warnkey in nineteen seventy two.

779
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: He was referenced as an authority on Satanism for a

780
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: long or in nineteen seventy two published it and he

781
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: was referenced as an authority until nineteen ninety two when

782
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: he was exposed as a fraud. So he uh and

783
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: then other people came in again named John's Hodd said

784
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that he started speaking in churches saying that which is

785
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: druids and the illuminate AUTI we're controlling world politics, media

786
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: and even gasp, most churches, churches churches. UH. This lad

787
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: to worries about backward masking. Like Nol mentioned earlier, worries

788
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: that Dungeons and Dragons was a portal to this parallel

789
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: occult world, the idea that there was satanic ritual abuse

790
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: occurring in um in in the like in the studios

791
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: of musicians, and we will see that there, you know,

792
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: there is proof that there were abusive situations and ritualized.

793
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: There is not proof that we could find that in

794
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: the case of musicians. Notice I say in the case

795
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: of musicians, not Hollywood overall. In the case of musicians,

796
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: we don't find evidence of a vast network of abusive behavior.

797
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: In the case of musicians, we don't. So the the

798
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: thing that happens with this is that you you start

799
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: to see politicians pick this up because it's it's since

800
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: essentially free votes. Right, it's red meat. And uh it

801
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: goes the in Tipper Gore and some other people, some

802
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: other associated this whole advisory thing, right, Yeah, the Parents

803
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: Music Resource Center. Uh, they wanted to they wanted to

804
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: force the government to label records that were threatening to

805
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: the hearts, minds, morals or souls of American youth. So

806
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: they had um, uh succession of offensive materials, stuff like

807
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: We're not gonna take it, but twist his sister. Yeah,

808
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: sort of bad attitude. Yeah, it's it's very strange. And

809
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: then Geraldo Rivera did a documentary or a Rivera piece

810
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: I guess called devil Worship, exposing Satan's underground. And then

811
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: of course Judas Priest went to try ale from making

812
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: a backwards message, which, um, let's see there was a

813
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: line in the song better by you better than Me

814
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: when played backwards, reportedly commanded the listener to do it,

815
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: which is such a rorshack ink blot, you know, an

816
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: audio version of it. Not only that, if you've ever

817
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: messed around with flipping things backwards, I mean that you

818
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: know the way words sound and reverse are always a

819
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: little bit off, and I just I could picture that

820
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: that was not even intentional almost you know, I'm I'm

821
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure because what you know, here's the thing, long

822
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: story short, what did they find in these investigations? Ultimately

823
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: they didn't find a damn thing. Uh. We can talk

824
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: a little bit about mental health versus music, for okay.

825
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: For instance, there's the question when someone perpetrates an act

826
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: of violence, right, and people attempt to blame it on

827
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: a video game that person played, or a song that

828
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: they heard, right, or you know, just a book they read,

829
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: then it's always seemed very shortsighted to me. Right, even

830
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: if that was the trigger, the likelihood is that it

831
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: was no more than a proverbial straw on the camel's back.

832
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: You know, they could have been replaced by any number

833
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: of things. It could have been any number body looking

834
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: at them funny at the grocery store. I mean, you know, honestly,

835
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: I just think it's more than opportunistic. It's more than

836
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: convenient two blame a single thing on something like that.

837
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: I think it's offensive. It's offensive to the people who

838
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: survived those kind of tragedies. It's efensive to the families

839
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: of the victims, and not to mention the por Schmucks

840
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: had just put out an album. You know, So we

841
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: do know that there are you know, this has been

842
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: a long episode, but we do know that there are

843
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: some true, im proven corruption and cover ups in music.

844
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: There's the concept of paola, which which you can probably

845
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: speak to pretty well. I'm not actually intimately familiar with it.

846
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it has to do with UM.

847
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Speaker 1: It's like the idea of the equivalent of like a lobbyist,

848
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Speaker 1: you know, giving uh gifts or taking a you know,

849
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Speaker 1: a lawmaker out for fancy dinners and exchange or not

850
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: necessarily exchange, but in the hopes that they will support

851
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Speaker 1: their piece of legislation that benefits the lobbying group, the

852
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Speaker 1: group they represent. It's it's an example of something like

853
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Speaker 1: that where executives I believe, pay DJs UM and rent

854
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: and radio station UM managers to play their songs, right

855
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: and and it's illegal, right, it's legal, and the FCC, uh,

856
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: the FCC specifically bands it. However, it is it's pretty common, right. Uh.

857
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: The part where it becomes legal is when the radio

858
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: station plays a specific song but doesn't disclose that they're

859
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: playing it for money, you're supposed to be transparent about it.

860
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: So that's something that really occurs, and it is kind

861
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: of a cover up. Then, you know, the exploitation of gosh,

862
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: especially the exploitation of up and coming talent in the

863
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: music industry and something for itself. Uh. I want to

864
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: close out though, when we're talking about behind the scenes

865
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Speaker 1: things in music in the occult. Okay, there is an

866
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: article in the Atlantic which can read online for free,

867
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Speaker 1: called hit Charade or sharade or fancy Listeners. And here's

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00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: the thing, guys, The vast majority of pop songs that

869
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: are in the top of the charts right now are

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Speaker 1: written by about six people. And guess where they're from.

871
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: They're from Scandinavia. There in Norwegian, there from Stockholm. There

872
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: is one lady who was from Oklahoma, but she uh

873
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: now she works with these other guys. Uh. They have

874
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: names like esther Dean, Mick Alarics and tore Hermanson Stargate,

875
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: Dr Luke. Uh. These these folks have written songs like

876
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: bad Blood, Hey Mama Worth, It Can't Feel My Face,

877
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: the Night is Still Young, and so on. The main guy, though,

878
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, the main guy is this guy, Max Martin.

879
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just him because I'm sorry if

880
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm stealing this from you. But this the way.

881
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: There's a great episode of On Point with Tom Ashbrook

882
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: and NPR from a few days ago where they talk

883
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: about the process of this whole thing, and I was

884
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: not aware of this. They basically do this stuff by committee,

885
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: where like they have like the guy that does the hooks,

886
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: they have the guy that does you know, the beat,

887
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: they have the I mean, but but more so than

888
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: just like collaborative thing, it's literally like they pass it

889
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: down the line and the idea is to stuff it

890
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: with so many hooks that capitalize on that I think

891
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, that's something that listens to the change the

892
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: second before they changed the station. Anyway, probably not necessarily conspiracy.

893
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: They're pretty open about it, but it's certainly some of

894
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: the record industry kind of tried to keep under wraps.

895
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: I think for a long time it was literally stuff

896
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. And no, not necessarily

897
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: any occult occult issues going on there, but it's it's

898
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating stuff for sure. Wait, I hear that sound cute?

899
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: Do you hear that? I do. I know what that means.

900
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: I know what it means. It means that it's time

901
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: for me to apologize to Pope Francis for real. You guys.

902
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: We recorded last week's episode a few days before the

903
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: story dropped. The Vatican finally UM issued a statement regarding

904
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: Pope Francis is supposedly secret one on one meeting with

905
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk UM who was denying UM

906
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: marriage licenses to gay couples, and UM. You know, there

907
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: was a lot to not being made of the fact

908
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: that the Pope had the secret meeting, and I expressed

909
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: my personal disappointment because I just was so fascinated by

910
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: this pope and his more progressive ways of doing things

911
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: and very even handed way of speaking about speaking about

912
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: issues that popes don't typically handle. And as it turns out,

913
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: this was entirely spun by Kim Davis's people. UM, what

914
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: was really going on was the Pope was meeting with

915
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: a group of people for very quick little handshake and

916
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: a kind of a meet and Greek kind of situation.

917
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: At this this Vatican embassy essentially in d C, and

918
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: UM the the only people that he actually was aware

919
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: we're going to be there. And I don't remember their name,

920
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: but it was a student of his from I believe

921
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: he taught at a Catholic institution in Argentina, isn't that

922
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: where he's from? And this was a same sex couple

923
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: um that he knew were going to be there, and

924
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: he specific the expressed to his old friend or his

925
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: student that he was excited to see him and wanted

926
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: to give him a hug. And that was literally the

927
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: only person that the Pope was there that he was

928
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: aware was going to be there. So Kim Davis was

929
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: one of about fifteen or twenty or more folks that

930
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: were just kind of there waiting for the Pope to

931
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: pass through and hopefully have a little handshake and a

932
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, a personal blessing. So I apologize your holiness.

933
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: You're a man of principle. It sounds like you're a

934
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: little bit bothered. I bothered that I was so quick

935
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: to jump on the bandwagon. I felt really bad about

936
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: it after the fact. I even considered adding an addendum

937
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: to the episode, but I just I figured this would

938
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: be the better way to do it, you know, come clean. Well,

939
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: as you know, the Pope being a big fan of

940
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: the show was pretty upset. Yeah, and remember I mentioned

941
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: the snapchats that we sent, Yeah, and he uh, he

942
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: sent some pretty um some some pretty sad emoticons. So yeah,

943
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: so you know, that's how it is. Uh, Sometimes you

944
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: just get caught up in in the heat of the moment,

945
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: the fear of the internet, right, the pitchforks come out,

946
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: and that's Uh, that's interesting because that's similar to what

947
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: happened in the Satanic Panic. You guys, We've got to go.

948
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: But there's so much other stuff I wanted to get

949
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: to here. There's so many other specific stories. I'm going

950
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: to ask for your help. Specifically, let me know what

951
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: links you see between the world of music and the

952
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: world of the occult. Uh, tell me if you think

953
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: it's absolute bunk, it's just bologna made up. But also

954
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: tell me if you think there is clear consistent proof

955
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: of you know, some sort of hip hop and Illuminati thing.

956
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to see, just because at this point, at

957
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: this point, what I can say probably happens is that

958
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: there are groups running different things behind the scenes, right

959
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: we We've said this in our Illuminati episode. There are

960
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people that want to control the world.

961
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: But there there's no one at this point who controls

962
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing, not even international bankers, and they would

963
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: be one of the draft picks, right. And that's the

964
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: end of this classic episode. If you have any thoughts

965
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,400
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966
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,600
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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,080
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