Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet
Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: By the time that this recording hits Ron de Santis
Speaker 1: will have announced that he is running for President of
Speaker 1: the United States. Yes, death Santis, from the fascist state
Speaker 1: of Florida, wants to turn the rest of America into
Speaker 1: his cesspool. He wants to turn on private businesses, turn
Speaker 1: on LGBTQ people, ban every single book in every library
Speaker 1: across this country. He wants to ban migrant workers. He
Speaker 1: wants to ban LGBTQ people from existing. He wants to
Speaker 1: erase black history and black people in general from this
Speaker 1: country and make things very, very comfortable for white America.
Speaker 1: That's the goal here, folks. And we've been talking about
Speaker 1: this on WOKEF for quite some time that the Republican
Speaker 1: Party uses Florida, uses Texas and Tennessee in these other
Speaker 1: states as their peatrie dishes to workshop their most cruel
Speaker 1: policies to see how it will play out on the
Speaker 1: national stage. Now, everything is being banked on the fact
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump, while he overwhelmingly would beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of Ron DeSantis in the polls in a head
Speaker 1: to head right now, well, Donald Trump has multiple indictments looming.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump could potentially have been indicted again by Georgia's
Speaker 1: Fannie Willis by the end of the summer. Right she
Speaker 1: gave us all the time frame between July and September.
Speaker 1: You have Jack Smith who is wrapping up his investigation
Speaker 1: on the stolen documents, and we have Donald Trump, in
Speaker 1: his own words saying that he stole the documents and
Speaker 1: what So you have those two major cases that are looming,
Speaker 1: on top of which you already have out of the
Speaker 1: Manhattan DA thirty four indictments right on fraud. So Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is not a sure thing. He's not a sure
Speaker 1: thing to make it right to election day and not
Speaker 1: also have to be appear in court that day. So
Speaker 1: that's the reality. And so the Republican Party is now
Speaker 1: backing up their spare right, which would be Rond de Santis. Now,
Speaker 1: Ron de Santis does not have the charisma, does not
Speaker 1: have the support of the MAGA base, but he definitely
Speaker 1: has the cruelty is the point down pat and he
Speaker 1: definitely understands how politics works. So he is even more
Speaker 1: dangerous than Donald Trump. We are not just up against
Speaker 1: right Donald Trump or Rond de Santis, the people. We
Speaker 1: are up against a white supremaist, Christian fundamentalist ideology that
Speaker 1: seeks to erase and oppress everyone else who does not
Speaker 1: implore their same beliefs or look the same, pray the same,
Speaker 1: love the same as they do. Right, We're in a
Speaker 1: real fucking pickle. The other point is that, yes, we're
Speaker 1: aware that Joe Biden is going to be the oldest
Speaker 1: man running for reelection, and if he pulls out this reelection,
Speaker 1: we'll be the oldest president to serve at this time.
Speaker 1: There is no backup plan, right, Joe Biden is it?
Speaker 1: And if you're not going ten toes down for him,
Speaker 1: then you're not going ten toes down for democracy period.
Speaker 1: So we're going to continue to cover this and follow this.
Speaker 1: But coming up next, I'm so excited to welcome back
Speaker 1: to WOKF my co host of Democracy, ish wajahat Ali
Speaker 1: and the author of Go Back to Your Country. We
Speaker 1: get into a conversation about the NAACP's ban, about the
Speaker 1: erasure of by people, about cruelty is the point and
Speaker 1: where we think this country is headed. And as a bonus,
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Speaker 1: So wa, you know, first of all, I just America,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just start there America and then slap
Speaker 1: my head and we can just go from there. But
Speaker 1: over the weekend, the NAACP issued a really intense warning
Speaker 1: to black people in America and members of other marginalized
Speaker 1: groups in saying that you should be wary of traveling
Speaker 1: to the state of Florida, that Florida is essentially a
Speaker 1: hate state, that it is a dangerous state for black people,
Speaker 1: for LGBTQ people, for women. It was lengthy. It was necessary,
Speaker 1: and it harkens back to essentially a time in this
Speaker 1: country during Jim Crow segregation where black Americans had to
Speaker 1: if they were traveling, they got something called a green
Speaker 1: book jajah hot Ali. They got a green book at
Speaker 1: different gas stations, in different places of respites in between
Speaker 1: their travels from the North throughout the South that would
Speaker 1: signal to them in providing great detail places that would
Speaker 1: accept their money and their presence as black people, whether
Speaker 1: it was at a restaurant or a gas station or
Speaker 1: a hotel. And traveling was so precarious and could end
Speaker 1: up resulting in a lynching, a rape, a robbery, a beating,
Speaker 1: all of these things that the Green Book was necessary.
Speaker 1: Created by Victor Green, a postal worker who created this
Speaker 1: and printed it himself and was disseminated throughout the South.
Speaker 1: And so here we are was fast forward to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, where the nacious, longest and oldest civil rights
Speaker 1: organization has made this stark warning. How did that land
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: I thought the Green Book was a movie where Vigo
Speaker 2: Mortensen was taught by Mahershala Ali how to write letters
Speaker 2: to his wife, and then they and then they had
Speaker 2: been ali Weather. Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry. Look, I
Speaker 2: think the NAACP should be joined by the National Organization
Speaker 2: of Women, who should give an advisory to women who
Speaker 2: want to go to Florida because Ron DeSantis, the wet
Speaker 2: noodle that we have always said that he is on
Speaker 2: our other podcast, has now restricted abortions after six weeks.
Speaker 2: I think GLAD or any organization that represents LGBTQ plus
Speaker 2: communities should also issue an advisory because don't say gay.
Speaker 2: I think educators and librarians should also issue an advisory
Speaker 2: because they're banning books, they're banning ap African American studies,
Speaker 2: they're silencing academics, and they're threatening librarians. And I also
Speaker 2: think any group that tries to protect immigrants, especially on
Speaker 2: document immigants, should also issue advisory warning because with the
Speaker 2: new anti immigration bill, which none enough people are talking
Speaker 2: about that he passed, basically they could just stop anyone
Speaker 2: who looks mexicany ask them for their papers, and out
Speaker 2: of state driver's licenses apparently aren't enough. So it has
Speaker 2: led to Danielle as of last week and something that
Speaker 2: people should mention. Massive stoppages in construction in Florida. Why
Speaker 2: because just like in the African American community, in the
Speaker 2: immigrant community and migrant community, especially the Latino communities weren't
Speaker 2: spread and people are like, yo, unless you want to
Speaker 2: get detained and deported, don't go to Florida. So I
Speaker 2: would say, Danielle, if you go anti woke, you'll go broke.
Speaker 2: And another thing I'll say is good on the NAACP.
Speaker 2: And we were talking about this earlier. A tweet came
Speaker 2: out from a friend of ours, historian Kevin Cruse of Princeton,
Speaker 2: who's excellent on Twitter, follow him if you don't. And
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, who cares so much about
Speaker 2: his constituents that whenever there's trouble he goes to can Kuhn.
Speaker 2: You know, he's now leading the charge with all these
Speaker 2: other Republicans. How dare you, nubacap, how dare you? And
Speaker 2: he invokes doctor King. Doctor King would be so embarrassed.
Speaker 2: And then Kevin crew says, ah, as a historian, I
Speaker 2: have receipts. Actually Doctor King back in the day called
Speaker 2: for a boycott of this state called Alabama, precisely because
Speaker 2: as you described, Danielle, it was a haven for white violence,
Speaker 2: white vigilante violence against black people and those whites who
Speaker 2: helped black people. Yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Kevin Cruz and and folks, it is
Speaker 1: Kevin and Cruz k r U s E. He tweeted
Speaker 1: this in response to Ted Cruz, who said, quote this
Speaker 1: is bizarre and utterly dishonest. In the nineteen fifties and sixties,
Speaker 1: the NAACP did extraordinary good thing, good good helping lead
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement. Today, doctor Kin would be ashamed
Speaker 1: of how profoundly they've lost their way, so quote tweeting
Speaker 1: that Professor Kevin Cruz tweets this. In nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 1: doctor King called for a national boycott of the state
Speaker 1: of Alabama, saying that the Democratic governor George Wallace's policies
Speaker 1: constituted a quote reign of terror against black Americans. And so,
Speaker 1: just so folks don't get it twisted, Ted Cruz knows nothing,
Speaker 1: and I know that it is. It is very hard
Speaker 1: to dig into the bin of idiocy and lack of intellectual,
Speaker 1: nimbleness and honesty when we're talking about the Republican Party
Speaker 1: writ large, but in particular Ted Cruz, much alike Republicans
Speaker 1: love to do coming around the Martin Luther King Junior Holiday,
Speaker 1: which is to take out the one quote that they
Speaker 1: know out of its context. Come on, Daniel, be fair
Speaker 1: three quotes, you're right, You're right, and admonish black people
Speaker 1: for acknowledging the racist policies that they put together, because
Speaker 1: us acknowledging racism is what is racist, not the policies
Speaker 1: in and of itself. So Professor Cruse said, let me
Speaker 1: provide you with the actual receipts of the New York
Speaker 1: Times article that was written in nineteen sixty five. And
Speaker 1: so I think what gets me here is that facts
Speaker 1: don't register with the Party of Lies and the Party
Speaker 1: of hate. But what should register with Americans and the
Speaker 1: populace is that this party hasn't just regressed, it has devolved, right,
Speaker 1: It has devolved into something where we thought that the
Speaker 1: commentary that we understood around the civil rights movement we
Speaker 1: would always look at through a historical lens. But here
Speaker 1: we are, in present day twenty twenty three America, following
Speaker 1: the successful two terms of our nation's first black president.
Speaker 1: We currently have our first black and an AAPI vice
Speaker 1: president woman of the United States. That we are still
Speaker 1: in the midst of experiencing some extraordinary first but here
Speaker 1: we are with the nation's oldest civil rights organization having
Speaker 1: to issue travel warnings to black people in America.
Speaker 2: And you know, Daniel, I'm going to google this because
Speaker 2: I wanted to get the quote right. You know, we
Speaker 2: mentioned George Wallason. For those people who forget George Wallace
Speaker 2: ran for president. He was also elected as governor of
Speaker 2: Alabama in nineteen sixty three. This is what George Wallace said,
Speaker 2: in the name of the greatest people that have ever
Speaker 2: trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust
Speaker 2: and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and
Speaker 2: I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. And what
Speaker 2: I said during the tyranny of Donald Trump's four years
Speaker 2: in the White House is that he has a lot
Speaker 2: in common George Wallace. He's a demagogue. In fact, people
Speaker 2: support George Wallace should support Donald Trump. So you say devolved,
Speaker 2: I say, they're returning back to their roots. This is
Speaker 2: who they were, And people say, oh, well, joh, that's
Speaker 2: too harsh. I want to remind you all that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump said, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Another
Speaker 2: famous pro segregation dog whistle in those parts right from
Speaker 2: the sixties. So these folks Ted Cruz and the modern
Speaker 2: Republican Party literally, I mean, do we really think if
Speaker 2: they took a Dolorean back to the sixties, would they
Speaker 2: be on the side of Doctor King or would they
Speaker 2: be on the side of George Wallace. And I'll give
Speaker 2: you this, don't say gay banning, any treatment of transgender kids,
Speaker 2: banning books written by Tony Morrison, going after Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 2: for bending a knee, but supporting white supremacist and Christian
Speaker 2: nationalists who tried to literally overthrow our election right, calling
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, calling the black officer who defended these Republican
Speaker 2: congressmen a thug, but praising Ashley Babbitt, who was radicalized
Speaker 2: by QAnon, Praising people like Kyle Rittenhouse who shan and
Speaker 2: killed two white folks at a BLM protest, praising and
Speaker 2: the guy, the white guy who got convicted by a
Speaker 2: jury of his peers in Texas for shooting another protester
Speaker 2: at a b protest. Tucker Carlson said, parton them, and
Speaker 2: Greg Abbat said, sure, I'll part on this white killer
Speaker 2: who was convicted by a jury of his peers. Literally lynching.
Speaker 2: I'm at Arbury for jogging while black in his neighborhood.
Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for the video that was released,
Speaker 2: they would not be in prison. So you tell me, Danielle.
Speaker 2: Would these people, these modern Republicans, be on the side
Speaker 2: of doctor King because they only know three of his
Speaker 2: quotes and forget everything else, especially the condemnation of corrupt
Speaker 2: capitalism and white supremacy? Or would they be on the
Speaker 2: side of George Wallace? And I would tell you they'd
Speaker 2: be on the side of George Wallace. So NAACP is
Speaker 2: finally flexing and the way you go after these folks.
Speaker 2: And this is why I've always said that white supremacy
Speaker 2: is ultimately self destructive. Because Ron DeSantis, in order to
Speaker 2: feed the magabase that has been radicalized and weaponized, has
Speaker 2: to go after Disney. He can't double down, he can't retreat,
Speaker 2: even though you and I know on the d all
Speaker 2: the Republicans like whoahoa, whoa Easier, They're Ronda Santiss. You
Speaker 2: can't bite the hand that feeds you. Now they've gone
Speaker 2: all in to feed this radicalized base that wants to
Speaker 2: stand its ground. That Florida is I'm sorry to say,
Speaker 2: getting some karma. Disney flex last week, right, they're actually
Speaker 2: just a couple of days ago Disney said, all right,
Speaker 2: that huge billion.
Speaker 1: Dollar complex pulling it.
Speaker 2: Peace out. NAACP said, oh, Disney's gonna peace out. We're
Speaker 2: gonna peace out. Educators are gonna peace out. I think
Speaker 2: what about college athletes, Black athletes? Will they go to
Speaker 2: university Florida schools for football? You tell me, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say no. So this is one of those situations where
Speaker 2: you need this multicultural coalition. And when I see the NAACP,
Speaker 2: I was serious. I want now the National Organization of Women,
Speaker 2: I want Glad. I want all these groups now to say,
Speaker 2: all right, Florida, you want to go anti woke, you're
Speaker 2: gonna go bro. That's my take on this.
Speaker 1: And I wholeheartedly agree, because here's the thing you have
Speaker 1: to go after, right. I think that it's be colleges,
Speaker 1: big sports entities, ticket Master, Live Nation, all of these
Speaker 1: places that do business, that do multi million dollar or a
Speaker 1: billion dollar business like Disney and say so we're done.
Speaker 1: And there are people wash who come out and say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't harm the people that live there
Speaker 1: that are trying to do the best that they can.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, you know, money talks and bullshit walks.
Speaker 1: So if at the end of the day, we are
Speaker 1: still operating under this capitalist regime, right, and you have
Speaker 1: the power to sway you know, the ticket masters of
Speaker 1: the world and the big names from going and performing
Speaker 1: in places like Florida, if you have the ability to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, NBA, nc DOUBLEA, NFL and others that
Speaker 1: we're not going to support you if you are playing
Speaker 1: games and giving money to this state. Because it isn't
Speaker 1: just construct that is now faltering in Florida, it is
Speaker 1: also guess what agriculture is faltering in Florida, right, because
Speaker 1: they literally have fruits and vegetables dying on the vines.
Speaker 1: Because our agriculture market requires right migrant workers. Yep, whether
Speaker 1: or not we want to pay them, acknowledge them, provide
Speaker 1: them with dignity and respect. This is how things work.
Speaker 1: So you know, when I see the NAACP and equality Florida,
Speaker 1: and I think there is one other organization that I
Speaker 1: am remiss at remembering right now who has issued warnings
Speaker 1: with regard to Florida. I believe that everyone else, the
Speaker 1: Human Rights Campaign glad ACLU others Southern popular law. Everybody
Speaker 1: should fall in line.
Speaker 2: I forgot Pan America joined up with Penguin Random House,
Speaker 2: one of the Titan publishing corporations, to sue Florida. That
Speaker 2: happened last week also and the last quick thing before
Speaker 2: were It also goes to show you, in this capitalist
Speaker 2: country where all that matters is money, the color green
Speaker 2: trumps all of the colors in God, we trust, it's
Speaker 2: right there. It also goes to show you, Danielle, if
Speaker 2: these corporations actually cared about freedom, democracy and human rights overnight,
Speaker 2: there would be changes in this country. Disney Disney's kind
Speaker 2: of like the unexpected hero because they pushed Disney to
Speaker 2: the point where they finally had to step up. Disney
Speaker 2: could have done this on its own right. So it
Speaker 2: just goes to show you how much power these organizations
Speaker 2: have that if you go after their bottom line, they're
Speaker 2: going to go after the Republicans that they also feed.
Speaker 2: But it also goes to show you that if they
Speaker 2: actually cared overnight, they can rain in the Republicans and
Speaker 2: the majority can stop, you know, being hijacked by a minority.
Speaker 2: That's the sad part. This could happen overnight.
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of things that happened overnight.
Speaker 2: Well, good, well done, excellent segue.
Speaker 1: With a few minutes that we have left the lone
Speaker 1: black Republican Senator Tim Scott has you know, said, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's running for president, and you know he's doing so.
Speaker 1: Wa was by stating that America is not a racist country.
Speaker 1: Now we've just spent the last sixteen minutes talking about
Speaker 1: all the ways in which America is absolutely and totally racist,
Speaker 1: right from hearkening back to George Wallace, to today's policies
Speaker 1: that are happening, to the NAACP's announcement. But in Tim
Speaker 1: Scott's America and the reality that he lives in, in
Speaker 1: his hehaw America, he believes that anybody who tells you
Speaker 1: that America is racist, they are lying to you. That's
Speaker 1: what he said in his announcement speech. And you know,
Speaker 1: Tim Scott has been the literal blackface that the Republican
Speaker 1: Party has trotted out to deal to come up with
Speaker 1: compromise legislation that fell apart after the murder of George Floyd.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be working with his counterpart, Senator
Speaker 1: Corey Booker to create legislation that would, I don't know,
Speaker 1: stop cops from being able to kill unarmed black people
Speaker 1: and use police brutality and wield unimaginable force. And that
Speaker 1: all fell apart after about eight months, and they have
Speaker 1: yet to come back to the table again on those issues.
Speaker 1: But anytime there is an issue with regard to race
Speaker 1: or racism, it is Tim Scott that the Republican parties
Speaker 1: pushed to the front, and he is saying that he
Speaker 1: wants us to get back to a place of unity
Speaker 1: right where we can have differences with one another, but
Speaker 1: that we are all part of the same American team.
Speaker 1: He harkened back to Reagan that America is this beacon
Speaker 1: on the hill. He pulled out every single trope, every
Speaker 1: single Republican talking point. But the differentiator here is that
Speaker 1: he is not referring to his Democratic opponents as his enemies.
Speaker 1: He is not calling for them to be round up
Speaker 1: and hunted like dogs, like Governor McMaster just said at
Speaker 1: a South Carolina Republican convention meeting.
Speaker 2: Wow that one wow yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rounded up and hunted like dogs. That he wants
Speaker 1: them Democrats to be so rare that that is the case,
Speaker 1: and Democrats in South Carolina are calling on him for
Speaker 1: an apology. I better they wait for hell to freeze over.
Speaker 1: What do you make of Tim Scott his announcement and
Speaker 1: how he is positioning himself right now with another black
Speaker 1: quote unquote rising star Byron Donalds, who is an election denier.
Speaker 1: Who's the other black face that Republicans are loving to
Speaker 1: trot out.
Speaker 2: Every community has a token, a cultural validator, a black
Speaker 2: or brown face that acts as a trojan horse for
Speaker 2: white supremacy. One who believes that they are either special
Speaker 2: and exalted and different from a svages, the Clarence Thomas ones,
Speaker 2: the ones who hate themselves, or the ones who realize
Speaker 2: this is a good gig because the money is lucrative,
Speaker 2: and I can parrot all their talking points, and I'll
Speaker 2: be the token black. I'll be the Candice Owens. I'll
Speaker 2: be the Nikki Haley, the vivid Ramaswami. Right. And the
Speaker 2: interesting thing is they engage in all these petzel circusile
Speaker 2: rational you know, gymnastics in their head. Nicky Haley said
Speaker 2: the same thing when she ran for when she announce
Speaker 2: her candidacy, and literally right when she did, and Colter
Speaker 2: told her to go back to her own country. People
Speaker 2: always forget this, right. Literally, Donald Trump said she has
Speaker 2: the wrong complexion to be my running mate. Right, So
Speaker 2: they're being racist to their face and they sit there
Speaker 2: and they eat their shit sandwich, because that's the fausting bargain.
Speaker 2: Tim Scott knows what's up, but he's made this fasting bargain.
Speaker 2: He's never going to be president. He effed up. Literally,
Speaker 2: he took the mic and did a Howard Dean moment
Speaker 2: and effed up even making his announcement. So it's over.
Speaker 2: He's he's gonna be a punch line. But what he'll
Speaker 2: get is a lifelong tenure in the Republican Party as
Speaker 2: the token black. He'll get a six or seven figure
Speaker 2: book deal, he'll get a consulting gig, and he'll allow
Speaker 2: Republicans to get away with the fiction that they're not
Speaker 2: racist because look, we support the black yep.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, it is. It is
Speaker 1: a gig as old as time, right, It is a
Speaker 1: gig as old as time to be And I love
Speaker 1: your phrasing the to be the embodiment of the trojan
Speaker 1: horse for white supremacy. It is it can't possibly exist
Speaker 1: because I exist, right, And the reality is tip Scott.
Speaker 1: You know his grandfather, I believe you know, pick cotton, right,
Speaker 1: lived in the lived under the weight of segregation. And
Speaker 1: so Tip Scott has a lot to be proud of.
Speaker 1: His family has a lot to be proud of.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You go from in two generations from picking cotton to
Speaker 1: picking policy, and that is that has always been you know,
Speaker 1: his line of thinking. But there's something that got contorted
Speaker 1: and twisted in his mind about because he had said
Speaker 1: ability and advantages. That then every black person in this
Speaker 1: country has had the same ability and advantages and everything
Speaker 1: else that we see is just a product of our imagination.
Speaker 1: And if we just ignore it, if we just align
Speaker 1: with our oppressor and be grateful to share stages with
Speaker 1: them and share microphones with them, then all will be well.
Speaker 2: Pull your pull yourself up from.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, and don't let your don't let your complexion
Speaker 1: be what causes you to not be able to succeed.
Speaker 1: That's just an excuse, right. So it is it is
Speaker 1: such an incredible place where you named, you name checked
Speaker 1: all of these black and brown faces that the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is pushing forward to cloak their white supremacy. Right,
Speaker 1: And I just wonder do you think last question for you,
Speaker 1: how do we we think this is gonna fare in
Speaker 1: the long run? The Decks and the Nikkis and the
Speaker 1: Byrons and the tim Scotts. You know, is this the
Speaker 1: new Republican Party or just the same old ropodope?
Speaker 2: You know, Colonialism, like herpies, lingers forever, and it gets
Speaker 2: passed on generation and generation. And it's not just black people,
Speaker 2: but it's people of color who've come to this country. Right,
Speaker 2: They unconsciously, oftentimes chased whiteness for protection and safety. And
Speaker 2: I've given this analogy before they came in, and like, huh,
Speaker 2: who's winning, who's creating the policies, who's on top, who's
Speaker 2: on the billboards, who's the hero white folks, who's in jail,
Speaker 2: who's hated? Who's beating up black people? Even though my
Speaker 2: natural allies will be the black and brown folks, let
Speaker 2: me chase whiteness. I'll never be white, but I'll be protected.
Speaker 2: I'll be asymptotic to whiteness. Right, and then you engage
Speaker 2: in all these rationalizations, and I am the good one.
Speaker 2: If they only pull themselves up from the bootstraps like me,
Speaker 2: if they got rid of their pathology and self loathing.
Speaker 2: If they became post racist, then everything would be better.
Speaker 2: And yet time and time again, you can't wipe off
Speaker 2: the blackness and the brownness. This country reminds you violently
Speaker 2: your place in the hierarchy. And so what I think
Speaker 2: is going to happen is that whiteness has always evolved
Speaker 2: to survive. It is trying to win over Latinos and
Speaker 2: Asians and black folks through family values, through the transgender panic.
Speaker 2: I think they will win over a minority of our community.
Speaker 2: I think they will, and I think you're going to
Speaker 2: see like the Latino white supremacist in Texas who killed
Speaker 2: eight people, We're going to see more and more of that.
Speaker 2: But I do think the cruelty of white supremacy is
Speaker 2: finally animating enough people, Danielle, thanks to the work of
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, the Silver Rights Movement are ancestors who
Speaker 2: fought in bled that they say I'm done with this,
Speaker 2: and enough whites. Maybe if in enough whites can say, oh,
Speaker 2: this is self destructive for our families in this country,
Speaker 2: we can get that coalition of about seventy percent. But
Speaker 2: I think this will be the norm. You're going to
Speaker 2: see more tokens you're going to see more Latino, black,
Speaker 2: brown white supremacists, and you're gonna see our community having
Speaker 2: to call them out and expose them and do more education.
Speaker 2: I know that's not the answer that people want, but
Speaker 2: that's my realistic answer as to how white supremacy will
Speaker 2: evolve to try it to stave off the inevitable minority
Speaker 2: majority that is America.
Speaker 1: Well, Wajah hot Ali, my good good friend. I thank
Speaker 1: you so much for all of your work, for the
Speaker 1: continued ways that you use your platform to sound an alarm.
Speaker 1: I know that they don't listen to us all the time,
Speaker 1: but our track record, as you say on democracy Ish
Speaker 1: every week, we're bat in one hundred over there. If
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