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Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet

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Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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Speaker 1: By the time that this recording hits Ron de Santis

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Speaker 1: will have announced that he is running for President of

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Speaker 1: the United States. Yes, death Santis, from the fascist state

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Speaker 1: of Florida, wants to turn the rest of America into

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Speaker 1: his cesspool. He wants to turn on private businesses, turn

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Speaker 1: across this country. He wants to ban migrant workers. He

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Speaker 1: wants to ban LGBTQ people from existing. He wants to

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Speaker 1: erase black history and black people in general from this

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Speaker 1: country and make things very, very comfortable for white America.

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Speaker 1: That's the goal here, folks. And we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: this on WOKEF for quite some time that the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party uses Florida, uses Texas and Tennessee in these other

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Speaker 1: states as their peatrie dishes to workshop their most cruel

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Speaker 1: national stage. Now, everything is being banked on the fact

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump, while he overwhelmingly would beat the crap

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Speaker 1: out of Ron DeSantis in the polls in a head

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Speaker 1: to head right now, well, Donald Trump has multiple indictments looming.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump could potentially have been indicted again by Georgia's

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Speaker 1: Fannie Willis by the end of the summer. Right she

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Speaker 1: gave us all the time frame between July and September.

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Speaker 1: You have Jack Smith who is wrapping up his investigation

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Speaker 1: on the stolen documents, and we have Donald Trump, in

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Speaker 1: his own words saying that he stole the documents and

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Speaker 1: what So you have those two major cases that are looming,

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Speaker 1: on top of which you already have out of the

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Speaker 1: Manhattan DA thirty four indictments right on fraud. So Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is not a sure thing. He's not a sure

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Speaker 1: thing to make it right to election day and not

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Speaker 1: also have to be appear in court that day. So

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Speaker 1: that's the reality. And so the Republican Party is now

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Speaker 1: backing up their spare right, which would be Rond de Santis. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ron de Santis does not have the charisma, does not

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Speaker 1: have the support of the MAGA base, but he definitely

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Speaker 1: has the cruelty is the point down pat and he

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Speaker 1: definitely understands how politics works. So he is even more

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Speaker 1: dangerous than Donald Trump. We are not just up against

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Speaker 1: right Donald Trump or Rond de Santis, the people. We

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Speaker 1: are up against a white supremaist, Christian fundamentalist ideology that

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Speaker 1: seeks to erase and oppress everyone else who does not

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Speaker 1: implore their same beliefs or look the same, pray the same,

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Speaker 1: love the same as they do. Right, We're in a

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Speaker 1: real fucking pickle. The other point is that, yes, we're

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Speaker 1: aware that Joe Biden is going to be the oldest

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Speaker 1: man running for reelection, and if he pulls out this reelection,

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Speaker 1: we'll be the oldest president to serve at this time.

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Speaker 1: There is no backup plan, right, Joe Biden is it?

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Speaker 1: And if you're not going ten toes down for him,

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Speaker 1: then you're not going ten toes down for democracy period.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to continue to cover this and follow this.

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Speaker 1: But coming up next, I'm so excited to welcome back

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Speaker 1: to WOKF my co host of Democracy, ish wajahat Ali

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Speaker 1: and the author of Go Back to Your Country. We

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Speaker 1: get into a conversation about the NAACP's ban, about the

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Speaker 1: erasure of by people, about cruelty is the point and

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Speaker 1: where we think this country is headed. And as a bonus,

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Speaker 1: my dear friends, A new democracy Ish episode drops two days,

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Speaker 1: so make sure that you check out democracy Ish wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, folks. I am always very excited

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Speaker 1: when I get to bring on my co host, my

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Speaker 1: weekly co host of a Democracy Ish, Washa hot Al Lee,

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Speaker 1: who is an author, a columnist, and all around badass

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. If you have not read his book go

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Speaker 1: back to where you come from and other helpful tips

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Speaker 1: you should absolutely check out democracy Ish, which drops new

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Speaker 1: episodes each and every Thursday with wajaht and I and

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Speaker 1: some really amazing, amazing guests that we get into conversation with.

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Speaker 1: So wa, you know, first of all, I just America,

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, the NAACP issued a really intense warning

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Speaker 1: to black people in America and members of other marginalized

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Speaker 1: groups in saying that you should be wary of traveling

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Speaker 1: all of these things that the Green Book was necessary.

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Speaker 1: Created by Victor Green, a postal worker who created this

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Speaker 2: I thought the Green Book was a movie where Vigo

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Speaker 2: Mortensen was taught by Mahershala Ali how to write letters

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Speaker 2: to his wife, and then they and then they had

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Speaker 2: think the NAACP should be joined by the National Organization

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Speaker 2: of Women, who should give an advisory to women who

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Speaker 2: want to go to Florida because Ron DeSantis, the wet

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Speaker 2: our other podcast, has now restricted abortions after six weeks.

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Speaker 2: I think GLAD or any organization that represents LGBTQ plus

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Speaker 2: I think educators and librarians should also issue an advisory

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Speaker 2: because they're banning books, they're banning ap African American studies,

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Speaker 2: they're silencing academics, and they're threatening librarians. And I also

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Speaker 2: think any group that tries to protect immigrants, especially on

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Speaker 2: new anti immigration bill, which none enough people are talking

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Speaker 2: who looks mexicany ask them for their papers, and out

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Speaker 2: of state driver's licenses apparently aren't enough. So it has

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Speaker 2: led to Danielle as of last week and something that

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Speaker 2: people should mention. Massive stoppages in construction in Florida. Why

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Speaker 2: because just like in the African American community, in the

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Speaker 2: would say, Danielle, if you go anti woke, you'll go broke.

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Speaker 2: And another thing I'll say is good on the NAACP.

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Speaker 2: And we were talking about this earlier. A tweet came

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Speaker 2: You know, he's now leading the charge with all these

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Speaker 2: And then Kevin crew says, ah, as a historian, I

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Speaker 2: as you described, Danielle, it was a haven for white violence,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so Kevin Cruz and and folks, it is

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Speaker 1: love to do coming around the Martin Luther King Junior Holiday,

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Speaker 2: And you know, Daniel, I'm going to google this because

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get the quote right. You know, we

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Speaker 2: I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. And what

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Speaker 2: I say, they're returning back to their roots. This is

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Speaker 2: Trump said, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Another

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Speaker 2: Every community has a token, a cultural validator, a black

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Speaker 2: always forget this, right. Literally, Donald Trump said she has

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott knows what's up, but he's made this fasting bargain.

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Speaker 2: He's never going to be president. He effed up. Literally,

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Speaker 2: He's he's gonna be a punch line. But what he'll

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, it is. It is

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Speaker 1: You know his grandfather, I believe you know, pick cotton, right,

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Speaker 2: Pull your pull yourself up from.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, and don't let your don't let your complexion

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Speaker 2: You know, Colonialism, like herpies, lingers forever, and it gets

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Speaker 2: see like the Latino white supremacist in Texas who killed

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Speaker 2: eight people, We're going to see more and more of that.

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Speaker 2: But I do think the cruelty of white supremacy is

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Speaker 2: finally animating enough people, Danielle, thanks to the work of

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, the Silver Rights Movement are ancestors who

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Speaker 2: fought in bled that they say I'm done with this,

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Speaker 2: and enough whites. Maybe if in enough whites can say, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is self destructive for our families in this country,

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Speaker 2: we can get that coalition of about seventy percent. But

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Speaker 2: I think this will be the norm. You're going to

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Speaker 2: see more tokens you're going to see more Latino, black,

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Speaker 2: brown white supremacists, and you're gonna see our community having

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Speaker 2: to call them out and expose them and do more education.

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Speaker 2: I know that's not the answer that people want, but

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Speaker 2: that's my realistic answer as to how white supremacy will

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Speaker 2: evolve to try it to stave off the inevitable minority

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Speaker 2: majority that is America.

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Speaker 1: Well, Wajah hot Ali, my good good friend. I thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for all of your work, for the

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Speaker 1: continued ways that you use your platform to sound an alarm.

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Speaker 1: I know that they don't listen to us all the time,

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Speaker 1: but our track record, as you say on democracy Ish

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Speaker 1: every week, we're bat in one hundred over there. If

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Speaker 1: only we would be wrong, then we would be multimillionaires

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Speaker 2: Waj.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. That is it for me today, dear

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Speaker 1: friends on Woke app as always, Power to the people

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Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay

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Speaker 1: woke as fuck.