Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio Our two on this Thursday. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to begin to recap what our one was. You can
Speaker 1: check it out on the podcast. Come on in and
Speaker 1: stay a while. Chris mad Dog Russo will stop by,
Speaker 1: as will the actor who portrays Jerry West in the
Speaker 1: HBO series on the Lakers Showtime Winning Time. Jason Clark
Speaker 1: will join us as well. Not winning time for these Lakers.
Speaker 1: They lost to the lowly Houston Rockets last night in overtime.
Speaker 1: Here is the former Laker great James Worthy. I didn't
Speaker 1: think that we could hit a new low, but we
Speaker 1: hit a new low tonight. The worst team in the
Speaker 1: league to be able to dominate like they did in overtime.
Speaker 1: You know, at the beginning of the season, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of expectations about this team to win, and
Speaker 1: I think they are at a point where they know
Speaker 1: they're not going to meet those expectations. It's almost like
Speaker 1: they're not dead on arrival, but they just don't have
Speaker 1: that tenacity. They don't have that will to work their
Speaker 1: way out of this, even to get to the playing game.
Speaker 1: And you know, you would think they would might be
Speaker 1: able to with a healthy team. But I don't even think.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they believe in anything. I'm with
Speaker 1: James on this. It feels like each time they have
Speaker 1: one of these losses, I go, Okay, that's as low
Speaker 1: as they can go. No, as low as they can
Speaker 1: go is you don't even make the play in game.
Speaker 1: That's all that's left here. Because can Anthony Davis come back? Okay?
Speaker 1: Can Lebron put it together for a couple of games? Okay?
Speaker 1: First of all, they don't play defense. Doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they care. Frank Vogel is not going to be the
Speaker 1: coach next year. They're going to get rid of Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: I don't know who they bring in. It's Lebron and
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. Unless Lebron says to the Lakers, look, it's
Speaker 1: better if I leave you guys can start over with
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis as your centerpiece. I don't know, but when
Speaker 1: I watch them play, there is no sense of urgency.
Speaker 1: And I can always tell on the defensive side of things,
Speaker 1: and how you are in the huddle, are you animated?
Speaker 1: Somebody taking charge? There is there a spirit there and
Speaker 1: there's none. It's one of those where you know, the
Speaker 1: body's not cold, but it's dying. And that's what I
Speaker 1: look at when I see the Lakers and Lebron is
Speaker 1: putting up good numbers. As I said a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, I think there's going to be more emphasis
Speaker 1: on passing Carl Malone as the second leading score of
Speaker 1: all time, because you're not going to be talking about
Speaker 1: what's going on going into the playoffs, making the playoffs,
Speaker 1: like you lost to the Rockets, and the Rockets aren't good,
Speaker 1: but this was there. You know, we're going to gear
Speaker 1: up to beat the Lakers and they celebrate it, and
Speaker 1: good for them. Celebrate these small victories or in that
Speaker 1: a big victory. They beat the Lakers. All right, Phone
Speaker 1: calls always welcome. Eight seven seven three d P Show
Speaker 1: email address DP at dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle
Speaker 1: a DPS show. As I mentioned, Chris mad Dog Russo
Speaker 1: will join us coming up. Colts traded. Carson wentz to
Speaker 1: the Washington commanders. The word that I saw in a
Speaker 1: lot of the articles, desperate desperation commanders. Did they need
Speaker 1: to give up a couple of draft picks? I would
Speaker 1: have thought, Hey, will you pay his salary? Will you
Speaker 1: take his salary? Off our hands, and then you throw
Speaker 1: in a couple of draft picks, and I'm going who
Speaker 1: were the Commanders bidding against? Now, okay, there is a
Speaker 1: report there are other teams that were interested in Carson Wentz. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll go back to remember when Philadelphia was fielding
Speaker 1: offers plural and they weren't. And I told you that,
Speaker 1: and I got criticized by some guy on the NFL network.
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh no, there's only one team did in
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, and that was Indianapolis. And now you know
Speaker 1: that Jim Ersay wouldn't even meet with Carson Wentz. Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz wanted to have one of those Hey, season ended.
Speaker 1: I want to go in and talk to you, maybe
Speaker 1: sum it up, apologize. If Jim Ersey reportedly wouldn't meet
Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz and then next thing you know, you
Speaker 1: trade him to Washington. I wouldn't rule out Washington taking
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback, even in the first round. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: rule that out. They got the tenth pick, I I
Speaker 1: think there's a really good chance that they would. I
Speaker 1: would do that, but I would not take Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: And one of those that I'm going to kick the
Speaker 1: tires on him and go, you know, let's see if
Speaker 1: it works out. And if it doesn't, I kind of
Speaker 1: I don't want to take somebody for twenty eight million
Speaker 1: dollars a couple of draft picks here and say if
Speaker 1: it works out, it's you know, I kind of like
Speaker 1: it to a pre nup. Hey, yeah, I love you,
Speaker 1: let's get married. But you know what, I think we
Speaker 1: need to a prenup. Wait, but do you love me?
Speaker 1: I do? But it kind of comes with us a
Speaker 1: caveat here. But the upside is there. For Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: I just think from what I've been told, he needs
Speaker 1: to be as focused on his personality, his demeanor, his
Speaker 1: leadership as he does his actual football performance. And that's
Speaker 1: saying a lot at that position. Baseball canceled more games.
Speaker 1: Watch Tiger go into the Hall of Fame. Last night,
Speaker 1: his daughter gave the speech to induct him into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. The nets at the seventy six ers tonight,
Speaker 1: and this is I'm trying to think of a more
Speaker 1: hyped game where the reason why you would tune in
Speaker 1: is because a guy is going to sit on the
Speaker 1: bench and not even play. This is in Philly and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Ben Simmons. You know, if you're playing,
Speaker 1: it would be better because if you're on the floor,
Speaker 1: like you're away from the crowd, he's gonna be right
Speaker 1: there on the bench, and I'm sure he's gonna get
Speaker 1: an earful there in Philadelphia. Yeah. Yeah, it's like you're
Speaker 1: kind of tuning in for the crowd tonight. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Don't you think that Ben Simmons and the Nets will
Speaker 1: not play the night for some reason, will be suddenly
Speaker 1: healthy in two or three games from now, not nine
Speaker 1: games from now, but two or three. You can't do
Speaker 1: the next game. Okay, let's do over under. I have
Speaker 1: the schedule, okay, Ben Simmons, I'm gonna put it at
Speaker 1: two and a half games after this one. Okay, so
Speaker 1: after the playing at Philly, their home against New York,
Speaker 1: at Orlando, home against Dallas, home against Portland. Pick your game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say home against Portland, home against Portland, not
Speaker 1: at Orlando. No one'll be watching. Orlando's not the roughest
Speaker 1: crowd in the world. I guess is. I'm gonna have him,
Speaker 1: you know, I want him to have some familiar backgrounds
Speaker 1: there when he's shooting. So I would probably say a
Speaker 1: home game, but uh, you know, Portland would be my answer. There.
Speaker 1: Let me see what else do I have here? Um.
Speaker 1: I watched the Syracuse game. I watched that in real
Speaker 1: time against Florida State, and I asked Paulli to pause
Speaker 1: it because I'm watching the game. We just got finished
Speaker 1: with the show and it was a noon tip off,
Speaker 1: and you know, here's Buddy Beheim, his father, of course,
Speaker 1: the head coach, and there was a box out and
Speaker 1: then he ended up turning and hitting the Florida State
Speaker 1: player in the stomach and he got you know, look,
Speaker 1: to me, it looked like an aggressive box out, but
Speaker 1: it didn't look like something that was egregious. It looked
Speaker 1: like a basketball player. Well, I said to PAULI has said,
Speaker 1: Buddy Beyheim just punched somebody and he the referee, was
Speaker 1: behind the player who got punched, and I said, Paully,
Speaker 1: pause it. He's going to get kicked out of the game. Well,
Speaker 1: they didn't kick him out of the game. And then
Speaker 1: I wondered if retroactively you could go back and the
Speaker 1: ACC would look at this and then suspend him. And
Speaker 1: then Jay Billis said, no, you can't do it. It's
Speaker 1: the rule. Now, Buddy Beheim should have been thrown from
Speaker 1: the game, and you could suspend him for this next
Speaker 1: game against Duke. But if you didn't do it in
Speaker 1: the moment, you're not supposed to be able to do
Speaker 1: it retroactively. Here's Jim Beheim after the game talking about
Speaker 1: his son and his punch Jim. Early in the first half,
Speaker 1: there appeared to be a play where Buddy caught a
Speaker 1: Florida State player in the midsecond. I saw the player.
Speaker 1: The kid pushed him twice and he swung around and
Speaker 1: hit him. I think it was Inadverton, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: I just watched the play. You go front right. It
Speaker 1: wasn't much of it wasn't It was like, coach, I'm
Speaker 1: watching it right here. It's on ESPN and it's being
Speaker 1: shared all over social media. He punched him in his stomach.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Inadverton. It would have been whatever you said, Well, good,
Speaker 1: you say it. I just gave him my version of
Speaker 1: what I saw coaches speaking like a coach, but speaking
Speaker 1: like a father. You know you're going to protect your son.
Speaker 1: And I know people have talked about Buddy Beheim nicest
Speaker 1: kid you'll ever meet, and I'm sure he is in
Speaker 1: this moment, he was wrong. Did he deliberately punch this
Speaker 1: player from Florida State? He did, didn't get caught got
Speaker 1: caught after. I can't suspend him after if the rule
Speaker 1: says you can't do that, But in the moment, would
Speaker 1: I would have tossed Buddy from the game. Now he's
Speaker 1: going to be on the sidelines for Syracuse game against Duke.
Speaker 1: Doesn't look like Syracuse gonna make the NCAA tournament. He's
Speaker 1: gonna probably end his career on the bench watching Syracuse
Speaker 1: play against Duke. Yeap, Okay, If you guys were in
Speaker 1: charge of discipline for the ACC, would any of these
Speaker 1: mitigating factors have affected your decision? He's never been in
Speaker 1: trouble before for a violent act in the game. This
Speaker 1: is not like second or third offense aka Grayson Allen.
Speaker 1: Second part, would you factory in the fact that he's
Speaker 1: a senior and it's the the ACC tournaments going on,
Speaker 1: It's not just a regular season game. Would either of
Speaker 1: those things be involved in your decision? No? No, yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: Could you do what college football does or used to
Speaker 1: do it? The whole one half thing, make him sit
Speaker 1: out the first half or something like that, or is
Speaker 1: that you got to take a stronger stand than that
Speaker 1: and make him miss the whole game. I you know,
Speaker 1: whatever their discipline is, you know, I'm fine if if
Speaker 1: if it warrants that. But this is a situation where
Speaker 1: you have a rule in place, according to Jay Billis,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jay is saying you can't do that
Speaker 1: because you're going to punish him after the fact, and
Speaker 1: there's a rule that says if you're going to punish,
Speaker 1: you punish in the moment. They could have reviewed it
Speaker 1: in the moment. They didn't, which I'm surprised when you
Speaker 1: see this player go down holding his stomach, and you know,
Speaker 1: the player did say hey, they shouldn't suspend him, and
Speaker 1: and and Buddy came up to him and I guess
Speaker 1: said sorry couple of times after the game. But he
Speaker 1: punches him. This isn't inadvertent. He didn't sort of turn
Speaker 1: to go up up court and then run his fist
Speaker 1: into his stomach accidentally. He meant to hit him in
Speaker 1: the stomach and he did. That's all I mean it.
Speaker 1: This kid goes down and it is doubled over like
Speaker 1: that's if I'm an a ficial, I at least I
Speaker 1: want to know how that happened. You're doubled over, So
Speaker 1: you got hit with what an elbow? Oh? You got
Speaker 1: hit with a fist. Oh they should have looked at
Speaker 1: it in the moment there. But if I look at it,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a closed fist elbow. We can look
Speaker 1: at that as part of basketball. A fist ain't no. Yes.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, is that like the pushes
Speaker 1: that coach Beheim was describing, looked very much like a
Speaker 1: basketball play. You know, you're sort of jockeying for position
Speaker 1: down under the hoop, and you're shoulder to shoulder and
Speaker 1: you move somebody out of the way. It feels a
Speaker 1: lot more like a basketball play than turning and punching
Speaker 1: somebody in the stomach. The Florida State player had a
Speaker 1: basketball play. Yeah, okay, now he's boxing out, which nobody
Speaker 1: does in college basketball. But he does get into Buddy
Speaker 1: bay Hunt. But that doesn't mean that you get to
Speaker 1: turn and punch somebody. Now, you can get back at somebody.
Speaker 1: Guys get back at players all the time different ways.
Speaker 1: But that's right there, it's just you and him under
Speaker 1: the basket and it's plain for everybody to see except
Speaker 1: for the official. You know, who should hate this duke
Speaker 1: their next opponent, because this is exactly when Syracuse pulls
Speaker 1: the upset, when their best player is out, when everyone
Speaker 1: thinks they're going to miss the tournament. This is when Syracuse,
Speaker 1: with almost on life support, finds a way to make
Speaker 1: dancy tournament. Yeah, it's tough to watch, you know. Buddy
Speaker 1: Bayheim has had a really good career. He's averaging nineteen
Speaker 1: a game. You know, tough to play, you know, with
Speaker 1: your dad as the coach, without us going well, would
Speaker 1: he be playing or starting or getting all those shots
Speaker 1: if it Dad wasn't the coach. Buddy Beaheim is a
Speaker 1: legitimate player, good player and maybe gets chance play in
Speaker 1: the NBA. He's a really good shooter. Size Yeah, seton
Speaker 1: and even like the nicest people in the world, sometimes
Speaker 1: they lose their cool, you know, sometimes they do things
Speaker 1: that are out of character. It happens. It's totally humane.
Speaker 1: A couple of phone calls in here, by the way,
Speaker 1: the song that you want to turn off, that's our
Speaker 1: topic today. We all after we talk to Mad Dog
Speaker 1: russo we'll have that for you. We'll give you the
Speaker 1: song that when it comes on, we turn it off
Speaker 1: and you'll be able to give us yours as well. Yeah, seton,
Speaker 1: you've seem poised to. Are you gonna surprise me with
Speaker 1: your irritating song? No, I don't think so. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think so okay. Delhi in Chicago, Hey, Deli, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today? Hey? Hey, thanks for taking my
Speaker 1: phone call. Yeah, I want to talk about if Pauli's
Speaker 1: all about stats, my Chicago Bullshito win the championship? Okay
Speaker 1: I am. And also I tracked on Polly's ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I found her working at the International House of Pancakes.
Speaker 1: Oh the eye hump, Yeah, thank you, delly. Uh, Polly
Speaker 1: dated a woman who had partial leg amputation. That's right,
Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, we can't go down this
Speaker 1: road again. No, we would have one and done with
Speaker 1: that one. Oh wow, I didn't that way, Yes, that way?
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm not going to stand for you. Oh sorry?
Speaker 1: Is it Carly in Kansas City? Hey Carly? How are you?
Speaker 1: First time? Long time Hi? Carly. So, my husband is
Speaker 1: actually an amputee. He's missing his entire right arm. He
Speaker 1: is a member of the Kansas City Chiefs coaching staff,
Speaker 1: so we have the unofficial AMPUT team makes fun of rules. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, if you are a comedian, fair name.
Speaker 1: Eric Stelm Street is a huge Kansas City Chiefs fan,
Speaker 1: very close with my husband Porter. He actually gave Porter
Speaker 1: an arm in front of the entire team last year
Speaker 1: for Christmas. He also did a presentation during COVID making
Speaker 1: fun of my husband for actually contracting COVID during the
Speaker 1: NFL season when he only has one hand to wash.
Speaker 1: So you are allowed to make fun of antips if
Speaker 1: you're a comedian. Second, if you are close friends or family,
Speaker 1: like I'm his wife, I can make fun so I
Speaker 1: would have to know how it ended between Paul and
Speaker 1: this girl, He's allowed to continue to make jokes, okay.
Speaker 1: And then the last rule is you can't make fun
Speaker 1: of person in front of the person responsible for the accident.
Speaker 1: So like my husband's father doesn't so much appreciate one
Speaker 1: arm jokes because he was the one involved in the
Speaker 1: farming accident with my husband when he lost his arm,
Speaker 1: So those are the unofficial anti te joke. Well, thank you, Carly,
Speaker 1: thank you, we appreciate that. So Todd, she said, if
Speaker 1: you're a comedian, you can make which Paulie did date
Speaker 1: this woman? That's right? Did you love her? It was
Speaker 1: not that long a relationship, Dan, It was more of
Speaker 1: a summer thing. But yeah, I remember it was cut short.
Speaker 1: You can't say it. I could say, just write the
Speaker 1: jokes and I'll deliver. I can't say it. I Oh,
Speaker 1: I see what I did. She actually got mad at
Speaker 1: me once. Honestly at this true story. There was a
Speaker 1: guy on campus who's a very good athlete. He played
Speaker 1: on our football team at Southern Illinois and he lost
Speaker 1: his arm in an accident, think a motorcycle accident. And
Speaker 1: he was a very good athlete. He was so good
Speaker 1: that he won a boxing tournament with one arm on
Speaker 1: our like we did this boxing tournament. He came out
Speaker 1: to the bar one night and he just happened to
Speaker 1: be at the bar and I introduced the two shoes.
Speaker 1: So you introduced him to me because you thought we'd
Speaker 1: get along because he has one arm. I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it. He just showed up a show.
Speaker 1: That's it. How about we take a break though, mad
Speaker 1: Dog Russo it's gonna Jane is coming up. We'll take
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Speaker 1: com to sign up. It's almost like after thirty years,
Speaker 1: he's become an overnight sensation, because it feels like the
Speaker 1: rest of America is now experiencing Chris mad Dog Russo
Speaker 1: because he's on first take with Stephen A. Smith. Chris
Speaker 1: has been doing this for a long long time, battling
Speaker 1: anybody everybody. Mad Dog Unleashed on Sirius XM Serious that's
Speaker 1: Channel eighty two, host a high heat on Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball Network. Congrats Chris on this overnight success out of nowhere. Danny,
Speaker 1: you know how much I loved coming on. How you
Speaker 1: doing poll? Okay, I'm good, I'm good. You argue for
Speaker 1: a living. But when you go on first take, how much,
Speaker 1: say do you have in those topics that you're going
Speaker 1: to be exploring? You know more than I thought. You know,
Speaker 1: you did a little baseball a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I suggested maybe something on Chazhevsky yesterday because obviously you
Speaker 1: know the Duke game on Saturday and the fact they
Speaker 1: play today at noon. So I thought you had to
Speaker 1: do a little college basketball. Um, you know, I'm careful
Speaker 1: at Stevie Show. So I mean, I get you a
Speaker 1: new guy on the block. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: any waves. I thought maybe you had to do something
Speaker 1: on Calvin Ridley, you know with the gambling thing with
Speaker 1: the one year they agreed on that anyway, But I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you know I will basically, I will be gentle,
Speaker 1: but i'll suggest. You know, what the hell, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this for a long time, and as you said,
Speaker 1: it's almost like I'm in debate. My whole life half
Speaker 1: the time on Sirius, I'm talking to myself for three hours.
Speaker 1: So as a result, I come up on topics. I
Speaker 1: did it with Mike for nineteen years. I've been on
Speaker 1: all these I've been on with your show a million times.
Speaker 1: You and I've had plenty of debates going back to
Speaker 1: your days at sports then, so it's almost like I've
Speaker 1: been trained to do this. So I'm usually fairly comfortable.
Speaker 1: I think the two sports I'm a little shaky with
Speaker 1: right now, and there was a big boxing match Steeds great.
Speaker 1: With that, i'd have a little work to do. And
Speaker 1: NBA regular season, you know, especially right now where it's
Speaker 1: sort of in and out of the clouds. When I'm
Speaker 1: more into the college, you know, maybe it could be
Speaker 1: a little spotty, but you know, I'll adapt the way
Speaker 1: I have to do that. But I've had a little say,
Speaker 1: I've had some say, and what I say in a
Speaker 1: two hour thing, it's a long time two hours to talk.
Speaker 1: So I've had a little say, a little say the
Speaker 1: art of winning an argument? What is your art of
Speaker 1: winning an argument? Well, the old days with Mike, it
Speaker 1: was a case of you know, out screaming him and
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe figuring out a way to get
Speaker 1: you know, sort of wearing him down, you know, the
Speaker 1: battle of attrition, and I've actually Mike would or me
Speaker 1: would just go up the white flag, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win this one the hell of it,
Speaker 1: all right, you win in this particular situation where you
Speaker 1: don't want to come across as a loudmouth bully. As
Speaker 1: you said, you know who in America, those two Christus.
Speaker 1: So it is so you have to be a little
Speaker 1: more gentle. And again, you know, I still consider myself
Speaker 1: almost as a guest, more so as a semi co host,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to overstep my bounds. But the
Speaker 1: great thing about him, and I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know him that well, Dan, you may, I don't know
Speaker 1: what your relationship, but the great thing about him is
Speaker 1: he doesn't care who gets to credit as long as
Speaker 1: the show is good. A lot of guys wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it that way. You know, in my show, I've been
Speaker 1: doing it for ten years. You're a guest, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna follow my lead. He doesn't seem to have that attitude.
Speaker 1: So as result, if I want to screaming yell about
Speaker 1: where Curry is with Bird. I want to scream and
Speaker 1: yell about where Wilson is with Rogers, at least in
Speaker 1: unless than the first couple of appearances. He's let me
Speaker 1: do that. So I think I've learned in my life
Speaker 1: not to go too crazy because you can win an
Speaker 1: argument and still look bad. You know you can, all right,
Speaker 1: you win, but it doesn't come across well. And you
Speaker 1: also want to be likable. I mean, right, you're on TV,
Speaker 1: you're on radio. There's got to be a little likability factor.
Speaker 1: So you want to be able to get your point across.
Speaker 1: Great if you win, but have some fun doing it,
Speaker 1: and you want that to come across. So if you
Speaker 1: have to lose an argument, for the psych of losing
Speaker 1: it because it's good TV and good radio. I think
Speaker 1: I didn't know this fifteen years ago. I probably know
Speaker 1: that now. He's a mad dog Russo. By the way,
Speaker 1: he's got a new series of episodes on his Digging
Speaker 1: Up the Past podcast debuts this month. You focus on
Speaker 1: the history of the NCAA tournament. First episode is Magic
Speaker 1: Bird nineteen seventy nine title and you can get that
Speaker 1: on the Serious XM app what's the one thing that
Speaker 1: you would want the audience to take away from this
Speaker 1: that maybe you discovered on Bird Magic nineteen seventy nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a this is gonna be all about the eighties.
Speaker 1: And we did the first half first forty years last year.
Speaker 1: So this is the second part. We're gonna break it
Speaker 1: down into five parts to switch from NBC to CBS,
Speaker 1: A rise of the Big East Classic Games and the
Speaker 1: Bird Magic thing. Now, obviously Magic and Bird are you're
Speaker 1: not going to get them. So yeah, you know, I did.
Speaker 1: I did the interviews that Larry Brown was at the games.
Speaker 1: I did Packer, I did Bob Ryan. I think the
Speaker 1: one thing that I didn't realize Ryan insisted and he
Speaker 1: was there, that Bird was hurt, that he hurt his
Speaker 1: wrists sometime in of course late in that year and
Speaker 1: didn't fuel right that night. Now he shot seven for
Speaker 1: twenty one and was not a factor in the game.
Speaker 1: As you know, Michigan Stay, were you and Iola old
Speaker 1: enough to know this. Michigan State was a much better
Speaker 1: team and birb was not one hundred percent. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what Ryan said emphatically, Packer. His theme is what
Speaker 1: you and I have always thought about two at least
Speaker 1: you know, nobody really quite knew watching those two players
Speaker 1: how great they were going to be in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Magic Slow couldn't shoot Bird, you know, you know Slow,
Speaker 1: you know, not a great defender. How would his game translate?
Speaker 1: And Packer on two or three cuts in that episode,
Speaker 1: which is forty minutes long, in two or three cuts, said,
Speaker 1: none of us thought that the two of them are
Speaker 1: going to be great NBA players, including Al McGuire. So
Speaker 1: I think those two little tidbits are interesting. And remember, too, Danny,
Speaker 1: you remember this. I did too, because I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: I was in college as a freshman. Bird played two
Speaker 1: great games that Indiana State did before that championship game.
Speaker 1: They beat Moncrieff and Arkansas in the regional final. How's
Speaker 1: the year after Mark Arkansas got to the final four,
Speaker 1: but Ron Brewer and Marvin delf had graduated, so only
Speaker 1: Moncrief was left. They won by a basket, and Moncrief
Speaker 1: and berber gray as you know. And then in the
Speaker 1: semifinals they beat Aguire from DePaul and Aguire was great,
Speaker 1: ray Meyer, and that game was by a basket. So
Speaker 1: they had played two unbelievable games. And then they played
Speaker 1: this terrible game in the final. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was interesting. A lot of interesting little tidbits. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I were remember because you and I are
Speaker 1: old enough, probably a little younger than me, but we're
Speaker 1: about the same age. So and you're you, and you're
Speaker 1: a good player. As it was, you remember all these games.
Speaker 1: But even I picked up on something. That's why these
Speaker 1: podcasts are good. As you do all these interviews with
Speaker 1: older guys who were so sharp as attack, who gave
Speaker 1: you good information. I'll give you one that you'll find fascinating.
Speaker 1: Ready for this, I did Beheim on the Big East
Speaker 1: to talk to him and on his game, and he
Speaker 1: lost Indiana in eighty seven. When they lost Indiana, the
Speaker 1: chaperone who was in charge of getting Syracuse two and
Speaker 1: from New Orleans was crushed that they lost India lost
Speaker 1: to Indiana. When they went back there in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three in New Orleans, Beeheim gets on the bus
Speaker 1: with the chaperone and the first thing he says, let's
Speaker 1: win this championship. It was the same chaperone from nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six. For an hour. Things like that, then you
Speaker 1: pick up that are interesting. You know, if a bird
Speaker 1: or magic would be better in today's NBA. Which one
Speaker 1: you're You're gonna answer that, probably better than I can.
Speaker 1: I think Bird would be great. I think both would
Speaker 1: be great. I mean Magic you have to wonder a
Speaker 1: live about his quickness. Is three points shooting? You know
Speaker 1: at the game's different. You know, he was a he
Speaker 1: was a one, a full fair and he wasn't unbelievably fast,
Speaker 1: so it's a it's at its three point shooting. Berb
Speaker 1: is a great three point shooter, so I have no
Speaker 1: I think Bird might be a little better organized today
Speaker 1: than Magic would be because Bird was a great well,
Speaker 1: they both were great passers, but Bert was a better
Speaker 1: shooter than Magic and a better three point shooter and
Speaker 1: everything else, so maybe Bird's game translates. But I think
Speaker 1: if you're an all time great, you're an all time great.
Speaker 1: And I think both of them would be great today.
Speaker 1: And I made the point with stephen a last weekend.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you sort or heard about it,
Speaker 1: and you might disagree or not. And I'm not arguing
Speaker 1: body of work. But if you asked me, in the
Speaker 1: peak of their career, in a seven game series against
Speaker 1: an equal team, who'd rather have berta Lebron, I might
Speaker 1: take Bird. That's how good he was. I think Larry
Speaker 1: if he had stayed healthy. We always love to have
Speaker 1: that caveat. But it wasn't till Lebron was around thirty
Speaker 1: when I said he's a better basketball player than Larry,
Speaker 1: because there was a season where Larry averaged pretty close
Speaker 1: to a triple double. And I think it was when
Speaker 1: he was twenty nine or so. And you know, it
Speaker 1: was thirty nine and eight for Larry, and Larry wasn't
Speaker 1: about numbers. Everybody's about numbers now. Uh, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're thirty nine and eight, you're gonna go, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: average a triple double. And you know Bird that that.
Speaker 1: You know he didn't calculate games that way. But um,
Speaker 1: if you said it's one game, I think, Chris, then
Speaker 1: then it's an interesting argument. But I said, shoot, I
Speaker 1: said series, you know on a seventh so one game
Speaker 1: would that be any different? Would you would you take
Speaker 1: Bird over Lebron one game? Must? I think he's a
Speaker 1: better shoot. He's a better shooter than Lebron is, and
Speaker 1: he's a better outside and he's a better free throw shooter. Um,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing that I argued, and you would
Speaker 1: remember it well, and I think there's something to it.
Speaker 1: I've seen him the brom he was bad against Dallas
Speaker 1: the year they lost. Yeah, he played terribly in that series.
Speaker 1: You've you've been around forever. You ever see Bird in
Speaker 1: a big when he was healthy? You ever see Bird
Speaker 1: in a big series? Lay An Egg I saw him.
Speaker 1: I saw him have a bad shooting performance. He had
Speaker 1: the bad game against the Lakers the year that they
Speaker 1: Magic's babyhood. Yeah, because I was at that game, and
Speaker 1: you know Bird and Bird had a chance at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a wide open three. Yeah, you had a
Speaker 1: wide open three. James, James, I was there. Wow, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that you were at that game, Game five
Speaker 1: in the eighty s. When were you sitting that night?
Speaker 1: I was way up, way up. That was before sport.
Speaker 1: Were you doing Sports Center at the time. I was
Speaker 1: at CNN. Wow, you at that game? That's one of
Speaker 1: the all time great games in the Magic babyhood? Yes,
Speaker 1: see you. Yeah. But I mean I was fortunate to
Speaker 1: have been around the NBA in the early The only
Speaker 1: and I didn't see in person was Bill Russell, Saul
Speaker 1: Wilt Marovich. You know, all of those great teams came
Speaker 1: into Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals, So I got a chance to
Speaker 1: see great players. So when people say, well, let's argue this,
Speaker 1: you know I can, I at least have a reference point.
Speaker 1: You saw Oscar. You're old enough to have seen Oscar
Speaker 1: as a Royal. Yeah, before he went to Milwaukee. Yes,
Speaker 1: we didn't realize how great he was because the Royals
Speaker 1: weren't any good. But he did this every night where
Speaker 1: he'd give you twenty five twenty six a game, great
Speaker 1: free throw shooter, rebounder. But we also knew of him
Speaker 1: at the University of Cincinnati. So right, so a lot
Speaker 1: of times we see somebody for the first time, we go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, did you see that guy? Well, we
Speaker 1: had seen Oscar for you know, six seven years before
Speaker 1: he emerged on the scene in Milwaukee when he won
Speaker 1: an NBA championship. But I'm missing the missing ingredient. That's say,
Speaker 1: you grew up in Cincinnati, so you saw all those
Speaker 1: loyal teams. Were you at the are you old enough?
Speaker 1: Were you at the game? And when Couzy put himself
Speaker 1: blew that five point lead against the Knicks, No, I
Speaker 1: was not, but uh, that was that was tough? Said
Speaker 1: you know that that made the Knicks break the record
Speaker 1: for consecutive wins that game, was it eighteen eighteen? I
Speaker 1: think in a row, Yeah, which the Lakers, which the
Speaker 1: Lakers obliterated, you know, two or three years later. But
Speaker 1: you know, tell him Danny Couzy put himself in a
Speaker 1: game with a five point lead. Was a thirty seconds
Speaker 1: left or something crazy like that. They lost something like that.
Speaker 1: It was sad when you saw it, because that's where
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't realize they shouldn't be in the game. And
Speaker 1: Couzy was a player coach and he put himself in
Speaker 1: the game and I think had a couple of turnovers there.
Speaker 1: They ended up losing before six years after he retired
Speaker 1: two six years after. Uh, if you were going to
Speaker 1: arbitrate baseball and its lockout, how would you what's the
Speaker 1: solution here, Chris? I think they gonna get something done.
Speaker 1: You can't sit there and tell me this international draft
Speaker 1: thing tie in that it's not gonna I think that,
Speaker 1: whether it's today tomorrow, I do think they're gonna get
Speaker 1: something gun. The owners did a hella. Listen, I know
Speaker 1: everybody wants to kill the owners, so I'll go the
Speaker 1: other way. I mean, think about what the owners had
Speaker 1: given the players. Here, Danny, you you've been following us forever.
Speaker 1: They went minimum salary went up to seven hundred thousand
Speaker 1: from five to seventy, and then the deal goes to
Speaker 1: seven seventy. They took about the free agent compensation situation,
Speaker 1: they went to the luxury tax went from two to
Speaker 1: eight to two hundred and thirty million, you know, from
Speaker 1: the last agreement last year into this year at two
Speaker 1: thirty the minimum. They got away the market manipulation that
Speaker 1: Chris Bryant nonsense that we saw at the Cubs when
Speaker 1: he got sent down to the Model leagues, and they
Speaker 1: put service time. They only took twelve postseason teams when
Speaker 1: they wanted fourteen. And here's the big one. They had
Speaker 1: never given a nickel into this. They put forty million
Speaker 1: dollars into the salary arbitration thing from one and two
Speaker 1: year players so ago like carbon Burns, who won a
Speaker 1: SIG young would not be able to for a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Now in subsequent years if they signed off this,
Speaker 1: they'd have forty million dollars to figure out how to use.
Speaker 1: If you're part of the players Association, so to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm a player and said, hold on out. We
Speaker 1: got minimum salary, we got CBT, we got only the
Speaker 1: amount of playoff teams we wanted. We got no jpick compensation,
Speaker 1: we got salaries. I'm an idiot. Let's go. I'm signing
Speaker 1: the contract. But you know they came up with this
Speaker 1: international jet thing. I think this will get settled here shortly.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned this justin and you probably agree. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine if on April fifteenth, on the seventy fifth
Speaker 1: anniversary of Jackie Robinson, they're not playing in Major league
Speaker 1: ballparks in this day and age. Think about that. Then,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I knew they have to play.
Speaker 1: They got to figure this. And that's the most the
Speaker 1: biggest embarrassment in the world. A week before the NFL
Speaker 1: daffing here and there on a like out slash stike,
Speaker 1: when Jackie Robinson seventy five years ago played first base
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers against the Boston Bridge and they're not
Speaker 1: playing baseball that you're not gonna win, You're dead, You're
Speaker 1: finished in this day and age. So I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna get something done. Oh, it's great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Congrats on the success there with the first take. Thank
Speaker 1: you buddy. That's mad Dog Russo you can see him
Speaker 1: on First Take every Wednesday with Stephen A. Smith. And
Speaker 1: also he has a new series of episodes for his podcast,
Speaker 1: Digging Up the Past available Sirius xm app when we
Speaker 1: come back. The song that you hear on the radio
Speaker 1: and you turn it off as soon as you hear
Speaker 1: it back after this, Thanks for listening to The Dan
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Speaker 1: saw this tweet from Jim Callawshaw or good buddy It's
Speaker 1: it says, it's easy to make fun of Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: and I haven't exactly shied away from it. But put
Speaker 1: him in the Washington offense, give the defense chair young
Speaker 1: and better health, and it's a three way race in
Speaker 1: the NFC East. Cowboys backsliding, Eagles drafting, big commanders are coming, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean there's seven and ten with Taylor Heineken. All right,
Speaker 1: do I think Carson Wentz? Would I have taken the
Speaker 1: chance on it? I would have, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think taken his salary off the hands of the
Speaker 1: colds would have been enough. I don't want to give
Speaker 1: up a couple of draft picks as well. But maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he gets it, but at this age he should be.
Speaker 1: I thought somebody was just going to wait for him
Speaker 1: to get cut, and then, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I don't know who Washington was negotiating against. And
Speaker 1: I know there are reports that other teams wanted Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: But if they make the playoffs, then it's a win,
Speaker 1: all right. The last couple of days we've talked about
Speaker 1: there was a survey done in England and it was
Speaker 1: for the saddest song, and I think it was already ms.
Speaker 1: Everybody hurts. And then we thought, all right, we'll give
Speaker 1: you our sad song. And then we thought, all right,
Speaker 1: how about our happy song? So we gave you our
Speaker 1: happy song. And then Paulie goes, well, you know we
Speaker 1: tend to skew negative, So how about the most irritating
Speaker 1: song that you hear on the radio that makes you
Speaker 1: turn off the radio or change the channel. Todd, let
Speaker 1: me start with you the most irritating song in your
Speaker 1: world on your ride home talking heads. Once in a
Speaker 1: lifetime I find hugely irritating. You may find yourself a
Speaker 1: shot gun shot, and you may find yourself and you
Speaker 1: may find yourself behind utomobile, and you may find yourself
Speaker 1: up with beautiful chorus on here. This guy's a genius,
Speaker 1: so annoying and weird. Here he goes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: guess who I'm going to go see on Saturday on Broadway?
Speaker 1: David burns Utopia? Really yes, yes, and I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I think he's a genius. All right, seton. Did I
Speaker 1: ever tell you at the time I almost ran David
Speaker 1: burn over with my car when we were doing the
Speaker 1: show in New York City and I used to drive in.
Speaker 1: I was driving home and we used to when you
Speaker 1: left our studio, you made like a left and I
Speaker 1: went a block or two and the West Side Highway
Speaker 1: was right there, and I was the light was green,
Speaker 1: and I was going to make a right on my
Speaker 1: green light, and there was a man walking his bike.
Speaker 1: He had a hat on and he was like a
Speaker 1: tamo kind of hat and he was walking his bike.
Speaker 1: And I think that I either was driving too fast
Speaker 1: and stopped too close to him or something. But I
Speaker 1: definitely gave him a scare and he looked up at me,
Speaker 1: like what the hell is wrong with you? And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's deepen bird. Oh my god. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine if I just ran him over? Then I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be watching you know Utopia on Broadway this week? True story?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh? The irritating song for you seat news, Well,
Speaker 1: I say, yesterday my one seed is of my least
Speaker 1: favorite song has come on Eileen, Right, I just can't
Speaker 1: stand that. But there's another one. I feel badly about
Speaker 1: this because the guys in this band are all very
Speaker 1: nice and they're super talented um and I think this
Speaker 1: just has to do more with some of the radio
Speaker 1: stations that I've worked at. But I cannot listen to
Speaker 1: this song. It's been I'm hungry five days, and soon
Speaker 1: after me come back and see me. It's all about
Speaker 1: value forgiven. I cannot say I'm sorry because I make
Speaker 1: you stop think you think you're looking at acquaman a
Speaker 1: summon fish to the dish. Although I like the shallow sweet,
Speaker 1: I like to sushi couzins. I met these guys. They
Speaker 1: opened up for Hoodi and the Blowfish. When Hoodie came
Speaker 1: back on their reunion tour. He the lead singer, could
Speaker 1: not have been a nice thing. They could not. I've
Speaker 1: met them several times. They could not be nicer people,
Speaker 1: and they're extremely talented. I wouldn't turn off that song.
Speaker 1: I've so. I used to work at like Top forty
Speaker 1: radio stations or Hot AC radio stations, and I saw
Speaker 1: them in concert at least twice a year, and at
Speaker 1: that time, remind you of some bad times in your life. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't even think about those Uh, that's all long,
Speaker 1: gun um. But man, it would be like every quarter
Speaker 1: hour you had at least one Bare Naked Ladies song
Speaker 1: on because some about the timing or whatever, and it
Speaker 1: was it's been one. I've heard that song fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: times in my life. Uh, Marvin, the most irritating song
Speaker 1: in your life is Man. People loved this song and
Speaker 1: I hate it. It was on my do not playlist
Speaker 1: at my wedding. I would have killed my DJ if
Speaker 1: you have played this song. Okay, Okay, Frenzie's actually singing
Speaker 1: the song. I like seeds that I like Marbs, I
Speaker 1: like those songs. Okay, that's a bold take on that one. Yeah, Paulie,
Speaker 1: this is like picking Michael Jordan as your favorite basketball
Speaker 1: player of all times. This is one of the most
Speaker 1: obvious ones. But I've hated the song since the day
Speaker 1: it came out. It was the number one song in
Speaker 1: the country for like a month. It was by a
Speaker 1: formerly great band, Jefferson Airplane. It's Jefferson Starship We Built
Speaker 1: a City. It's a terrible song. Yeah. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship Red Octopus is a great album,
Speaker 1: but this is not a good song. This is Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan on the Wizards. This is not even that. Nothing
Speaker 1: actually sums up nineteen eighty five better than this song. Um,
Speaker 1: it's Michael Jordan playing for the Birmingham Barons. All right, Marv,
Speaker 1: this is my song that I will change the channel immediately. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You just don't appreciate great songs. Yeah, give it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's a long introduction. They don't even get to
Speaker 1: the vocals. Forever got one of the greatest choruses of
Speaker 1: all time. The union's been on strike. He's down on
Speaker 1: his law. Yeah, I know. It's trying to be like Springsteen.
Speaker 1: And then Todd always does the sound effects. Where where
Speaker 1: two hours in the books? One more to go Dan
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