WEBVTT - 3: Guy with a Camera

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<v Speaker 1>Novel.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey listeners, this is Ellie Flynn. Before we get started,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to let you know that this episode

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<v Speaker 2>contains swearing and explicit sexual language. It's also a story

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<v Speaker 2>of female empowerment and camaraderie thanks to the women who

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<v Speaker 2>have shared their stories with us. We contacted the photographer

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned in this podcast multiple times for comment, but we

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<v Speaker 2>never heard back. He has not been charged with any

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<v Speaker 2>crimes and is presumed innocent under the law. We also

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<v Speaker 2>contacted Playboy USA. They state that they have asked their

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<v Speaker 2>licensees to blacklist the photographer mentioned in this series and

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<v Speaker 2>that they prohibit paid to play which you'll hear more

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<v Speaker 2>about later in the series. Our research into his association

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<v Speaker 2>to Playboy and their statement will be detailed in episode

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<v Speaker 2>four of this series. Let me tell you a little

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<v Speaker 2>story about the power of Playboy. In nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 2>Echo Johnson was just an ordinary girl living in Santa Fe,

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>I was eighteen, and I was two months out of

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<v Speaker 3>high school, and I was in a restaurant having dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>She noticed the guy a few tables away staring at her.

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<v Speaker 2>After a while, he gets up and walks over.

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<v Speaker 3>He introduced himself to myself and my mom and invited

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<v Speaker 3>us Verger's table.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy, a photographer named Greg, said he shot for

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<v Speaker 2>a load of magazines like Vigue, Rolling Stone, and Playboy.

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<v Speaker 3>He was shooting a Playboy and he wanted to test

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<v Speaker 3>me to be in that Playway and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely not. I could not take my clothes off. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'd seen Playway once in my dad's room. Like

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<v Speaker 3>that's as much as I knew of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Eco's mom was a bit more familiar with Playboy. She

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<v Speaker 2>knew how getting discovered and featured in the magazine could

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<v Speaker 2>propel you to superstardom, just like it had for Pamela Anderson.

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<v Speaker 3>My mother she saw the opportunity and she said, you're

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<v Speaker 3>doing this and then I was off.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon, Echo was whisked off to Zion National Park in

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<v Speaker 2>Utah for her first Playboy shoot with Greg, the photographer.

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<v Speaker 3>I was good in front of the camera. I was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty generic. I love the camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Echo had done a little bit of local modeling before, catalogs,

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing, but this was different.

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<v Speaker 3>Working with the best of the best photographers, makeup, urners, stylus, everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It was surreal.

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<v Speaker 4>It was I was like, Wow, this is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>On the shoot, She's surrounded by a dreamy desert landscape

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<v Speaker 2>of pink sand dunes, epic rock formations, and endless skies.

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<v Speaker 3>These beautiful photographs, there's an image of me laying down

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<v Speaker 3>in the sand and you can see the perfect outline

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<v Speaker 3>of my body in the sand, and it was just

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<v Speaker 3>like I was suntanning. Most of the pictures were like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>When those beautiful desert photographs were published, they caught the

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<v Speaker 2>attention of the big guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hugh Hefner saw it and said, I want Echo to

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<v Speaker 3>Bemis January nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 2>Hugh Hefner, the founder and editor in chief of Playboy.

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<v Speaker 2>He chose Echo to be the centerfold, the model featured

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle pages of the magazine, the top star

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<v Speaker 2>on the bill. Huge names have appeared there, Cindy Crawford,

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Barrymore, Sharon Stone, They've all been centerfold.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was like this whirlwind and a matter of

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<v Speaker 3>two months out of high school, my whole life totally changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Echo's career with Playboy made her serious money. Her centerfold

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<v Speaker 2>appearance earned her twenty grand in nineteen ninety two dollars

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<v Speaker 2>aka a lot of cash, and that was just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>I worked nan step for gosh, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 3>span of like ten years and hanging out on the

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<v Speaker 3>Playboy yacht and going to premieres and people would recognize

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<v Speaker 3>me all the time in the airport, on the airplanes, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And you had your you know, loyal fan base, and

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I was having time in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Even today, having long since left modeling behind, Echo credits

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<v Speaker 2>all her success to that one lucky day in a

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico restaurant when a random photographer noticed her and

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<v Speaker 2>changed her life forever.

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<v Speaker 5>Gosh, I don't know, I don't know what my life

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<v Speaker 5>would have been. I would have been very different. I

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<v Speaker 5>know that, just right down to like the level of

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<v Speaker 5>travel that I was able to do and the calor

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<v Speaker 5>or people that I was able to meet and work

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<v Speaker 5>with and have these amazing resources at my fingertips. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>so grateful for the opportunity and I will always be.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the dream that Luis Gomez sells to models today.

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<v Speaker 2>Work with me and I'll get you in Playboy. Work

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<v Speaker 2>with me and I'll make you a star. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>enticing claim. And hey, if Echo being spotted by a

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<v Speaker 2>random photographer in a restaurant could launch her career. Couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>that just be a pre internet version of being spotted

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<v Speaker 2>by Luis Gomes on Instagram today? Well maybe, except that

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<v Speaker 2>random photographer that echo met that Greg guy. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Gorman. He's one of the most celebrated American portrait

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<v Speaker 2>photographers of the last fifty years. He has a master's

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<v Speaker 2>in cinematography and he's shot David Bowie, Barbara streisand Leonardo

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<v Speaker 2>DiCaprio Al Pacino. He's legit, legit, but it's Luise. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Ellie Flynn and from the team at Novel. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the Bunny Trap Episode three, Guy with a camera. So, Ellie,

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<v Speaker 2>we made a discovery. Oh my god, very exciting. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sitting with my producer Eleanor and assistant producer rom Alia.

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<v Speaker 2>After hearing the model's experiences, we want to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how Luis Gomez rose to power. He seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>a big name in the glamour industry, but before starting

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<v Speaker 2>this investigation, I'd never heard of him, so we have

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<v Speaker 2>to start from scratch.

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<v Speaker 6>So, in looking through a bunch of free public record websites,

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<v Speaker 6>we found out Louise's date of birth and full.

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<v Speaker 2>Name Luis Eduardo Gomez Lobo. He's from Venezuela and now

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<v Speaker 2>lives and works in the US. He's also around sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot older than I thought. I'm fascinated by

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<v Speaker 2>who he is as a person. What was he like

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<v Speaker 2>when you lived in Venezuela, Who is he and how

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<v Speaker 2>do you end up becoming this person in your mid

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<v Speaker 2>to late fifties. Luis Gomez is old enough to have

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<v Speaker 2>lived multiple lives, including one as a rock star. Once

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<v Speaker 2>upon a time, Luis was the guitarist for a rock

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<v Speaker 2>band Feedback. They were pretty big in Venezuela in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>They recorded three albums, festivals, and even appeared on TV

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<v Speaker 2>talk shows.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess the.

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<v Speaker 3>Labor poor heave.

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<v Speaker 4>Horrible well.

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<v Speaker 2>Feedback usually stuck to rockier stuff. They weren't afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>a left field cover choice, oh.

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<v Speaker 8>Mister pols Mass.

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<v Speaker 2>Such as a version of the Motown hit Please Mister Postman.

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<v Speaker 2>But even when Luis was living out his rock star dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>there were rumors. I learned about them from a local

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<v Speaker 2>journalist who did some digging on the ground in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 2>She spoke to a friend in the music industry, and

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<v Speaker 2>without naming names, said she'd heard about allegations of sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 9>The conversation was something like, if I asked to you

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<v Speaker 9>about a venezuela and guitarist move away, who comes to

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<v Speaker 9>your mind? And these musu chan played well, I imagine

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<v Speaker 9>the feedback guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite their early promise, feedback never hit the big time.

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<v Speaker 2>So it seems Louise pursued a load of other ventures

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<v Speaker 2>in Venezuela. Around the mid two thousands, he moved to Miami,

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<v Speaker 2>got married, and kept pursuing music. We contacted some people

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<v Speaker 2>who knew Louise personally, and reviews were mixed. One described

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<v Speaker 2>him as someone you either love or hate, and another

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to stop recording as soon as I asked about

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<v Speaker 2>Louise's photography career, because it's when Louise puts down his

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<v Speaker 2>guitar and picks up a camera that things really start

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<v Speaker 2>to change. A YouTube video from that time catches my attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Working under the Monika Universe one three seven studios, which

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<v Speaker 2>he still uses today, Louise posts a video his film

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<v Speaker 2>of a Miami runway show. This seems to be the

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<v Speaker 2>first time Luis interacts professionally with the world of modeling

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<v Speaker 2>and the glamor world is where Luise finds his brand

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<v Speaker 2>new career, first as a model promoter and then as

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<v Speaker 2>an aspiring photographer.

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<v Speaker 10>So I first met Louise Goilmez probably in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 10>and he was inquiring about private training for photography.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Nino Batista. Back in the day. Nino was a

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<v Speaker 2>big glamor photographer and in the mid twenty tens he

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<v Speaker 2>was running a side hustle in photography workshops. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>he and Louise first met.

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<v Speaker 10>He was pretty new at photography, like he didn't get it,

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<v Speaker 10>which is fine, that's what people come to my classes for.

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<v Speaker 10>And he came out to a lighting worksho a small one,

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<v Speaker 10>probably about five or six attendees.

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<v Speaker 4>That I did at my house.

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<v Speaker 2>Nino had booked a few models for the training photographers

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot, and I.

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<v Speaker 10>Did notice that was It's hard to say, but do

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<v Speaker 10>I remember exactly, No, But do I feel like maybe

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<v Speaker 10>he was engaging with my models in ways I would

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<v Speaker 10>consider unprofessional?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Nino does remember Louise making some inappropriate comments to

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<v Speaker 2>the models.

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<v Speaker 10>I think a model just kind of gave him a

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<v Speaker 10>tight liped smile, a little quick back kind of to

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<v Speaker 10>whatever he said, and I just remember thinking, got to

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<v Speaker 10>watch this one. Another thing I did notice, as I recall,

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<v Speaker 10>was he didn't pay a whole lot of attention to

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<v Speaker 10>the instruction. It kind of fit his sort of archetype

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<v Speaker 10>that I already pegged him on, which is I just

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<v Speaker 10>want to show up and shoot girls. Everything was about

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<v Speaker 10>the girls. Now that's not uncommon. Lots of guys entering

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<v Speaker 10>the field are like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nino thought Luis was probably a guy with a camera

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<v Speaker 2>or a GWC. It's a term in the glamor business

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<v Speaker 2>for someone who, as Nino puts it, just wants to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot girls.

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<v Speaker 10>So the concept of guy with camera GWC is a

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<v Speaker 10>you know, it's an insulting term, to be clear, okay,

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<v Speaker 10>and it should.

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<v Speaker 2>Be, Nino says. These men are everywhere in glamour, guys

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<v Speaker 2>who get into photography with zero qualifications, and often not

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<v Speaker 2>for their love of lighting and lenses.

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<v Speaker 10>This is not a new problem men, especially older men,

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<v Speaker 10>praying on young women. This is a problem going back

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<v Speaker 10>to the dawn of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about what it took to call yourself a photographer

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties when Echo was breaking onto the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>All that training, not to mention the professional accolades that

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Gorman had. Luis Gomez didn't have any of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had the right equipment, a bit of training,

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<v Speaker 2>and stars in his eyes. After the workshop, Nino says

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<v Speaker 2>that Luis kept in touch with him enthusiastically via Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>He even suggested they have a jam, come.

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<v Speaker 10>Over and let's play guitar. You know, we should start

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<v Speaker 10>a band, and I'm like, no, we shouldn't. Kind of

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<v Speaker 10>blue sunshine on my butt and said he wants to

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<v Speaker 10>be like me, he wants to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do work like I doe.

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<v Speaker 2>Nino was trying to keep his distance. Louise had left

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<v Speaker 2>a bad taste in his mouth. But the year after

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<v Speaker 2>the workshop, he says, Louise had news.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, Hey, I've.

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<v Speaker 10>Got to publication that I've started some small.

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<v Speaker 2>Magazine, Universe one three seven magazine. It was self published,

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<v Speaker 2>several pages of glamor models pictured clothed and in bikinis,

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<v Speaker 2>along with short articles and interviews. Luis has somehow made

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<v Speaker 2>the leap from GWC to magazine publisher. At first, I

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<v Speaker 2>was confused by how someone could just start their own magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>but Nino tells me that self published magazines are common.

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<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere in the industry and the Internet is the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why. The first thing you need to understand is

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<v Speaker 2>that glamor magazines aren't like they used to be.

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<v Speaker 10>In the old days of magazine was a big production,

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<v Speaker 10>there was a lot of costs involved.

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<v Speaker 2>But today it's very different.

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<v Speaker 10>That process has become so streamlined and easy. Now you

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<v Speaker 10>can put together a layout and you can flow some

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<v Speaker 10>texts and some photos, a couple graphics, cheesy logo, and

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<v Speaker 10>export PDFs and now you are publishing.

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<v Speaker 2>Magazines basically, just like how any guy with a camera

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<v Speaker 2>can call himself a photographer, any guy with the right

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<v Speaker 2>software can make a PDF and call it a magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>Including Luis Gomez. In twenty sixteen alone, he created eight

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<v Speaker 2>different self published magazines. Today he has even more. On

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<v Speaker 2>his website, he claims to publish fifteen magazines. So what's

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<v Speaker 2>the point of making your own magazines? What does that

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<v Speaker 2>even get you?

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<v Speaker 10>It's just ragging rates. Like you know, I run a magazine,

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<v Speaker 10>and if you're new to the industry, new model, you

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<v Speaker 10>might think that means a lot more than it does.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about building a reputation to a model. He

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<v Speaker 2>looked more legit than ever, but that reputation was built

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<v Speaker 2>on a pile of PDFs. With his self published magazines

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<v Speaker 2>and a crash course in photography under his belt. Louise

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<v Speaker 2>is all set, but now he needs models to shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>I managed to track down a model who shot with

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<v Speaker 2>him around this time. Jenny's a former glamor model from

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<v Speaker 2>the States. She's left the industry now, so asked us

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<v Speaker 2>to give her a fake name. The Luis Gomez she

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<v Speaker 2>describes shooting with is very different to the man the

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<v Speaker 2>UK Glammor models told me about.

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<v Speaker 4>He seemed very passive.

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<v Speaker 11>It was whatever I said went.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised, Jenny says Louise let her take complete control

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<v Speaker 2>of their shoot. I was like, listen, here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 11>You're gonna let me pick out the photos that get published.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to bring my girlfriend on set.

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<v Speaker 4>I am going to have a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>And when Jenny nearly canceled their second shoot together, she says,

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<v Speaker 2>Luis begged her to reconsider.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, no, no, no, we can't cancel this shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like the only one I had lined up for this. Please, please, please,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty something in bold

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<v Speaker 2>and Louise to start behaving very differently, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I know what that is. On September third, twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Luise posts a picture on Facebook of a model in lingerie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a typical glamour shot, but there's something new in

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<v Speaker 2>the top left corner, a familiar bunny eared logo. The

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<v Speaker 2>post's caption reads, my.

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<v Speaker 8>New editorial lim Playboy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the moment Luis Gomez first seems to claim

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<v Speaker 2>to be a Playboy photographer. This is the moment everything changes.

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<v Speaker 12>So I shot with this photographer and his name was

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<v Speaker 12>Louise Gomez.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Izzy, not her real name. Her words are

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<v Speaker 2>voiced by a natta.

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<v Speaker 12>His name came up, and he had all these credentials,

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<v Speaker 12>he had the publications behind him, So for me it

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<v Speaker 12>was exciting. I was assured up and down that he

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<v Speaker 12>had connections, that he knew everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty seventeen, Izzy says Luise offered her an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot for Playboy, and she jumped at the chance.

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<v Speaker 12>I ended up doing this full photo shoot for hours

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<v Speaker 12>at his house. I remember being coaxed a little like

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<v Speaker 12>some of the poses and things. I was just I

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<v Speaker 12>was not super comfortable with. They were a little more

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<v Speaker 12>open than I would have liked, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 12>was told this was what needed.

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<v Speaker 8>To be shot.

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<v Speaker 12>And then I think it was at the end of

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<v Speaker 12>the shoot. I remember sitting at his table and you know,

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<v Speaker 12>just being told I can get you on any Playboy

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<v Speaker 12>cover you want. And I'm like, oh, my god, that's

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<v Speaker 12>amazing these photos, you know, they're that good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm that good.

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<v Speaker 12>Like I was excited, and then it became something else.

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<v Speaker 12>He reached out, I think, and grabbed my hand and

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<v Speaker 12>instantly my heart sunk and I'm like, oh, boundaries, Well,

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<v Speaker 12>what's going on? And you know, he said, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 12>can really help you, like I want to help you.

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<v Speaker 12>I want to skyrocket your career, like take you to

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<v Speaker 12>the next level. So you know, basically, you can do

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<v Speaker 12>me some favors. And then i kind of caught on

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<v Speaker 12>to what was going on, and I'm like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 12>that's what this is. I'm like, no, you told me

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<v Speaker 12>you could get me into Playboy. That's why I'm here today.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the earliest allegation I've heard of Luise requesting

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<v Speaker 2>sexual favors in exchange for promises of getting published in Playboy.

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<v Speaker 12>I said no, I'm sorry, I don't want to, and

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<v Speaker 12>he said, well, I can get these photos in a

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<v Speaker 12>small publication. I said, said, well, what's the publication and

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<v Speaker 12>he showed me and it was nothing. It was like

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<v Speaker 12>a nothing magazine. I don't want to be in it.

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<v Speaker 12>I said, I came here to shoot for Playboy and

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<v Speaker 12>he said, well, I told you what it is, and

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<v Speaker 12>I was like, okay, well, I guess i'll take the publication.

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<v Speaker 2>Is These photos ended up in one of Luis's self

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<v Speaker 2>published magazines.

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<v Speaker 12>I remember the publication coming out and how goofy and

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<v Speaker 12>embarrassing it was. I didn't even want to post about it.

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<v Speaker 12>It was an awful magazine. I just I remember being

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<v Speaker 12>so upset.

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<v Speaker 2>In just one year, the balance seems to have shifted

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<v Speaker 2>in Luise's favor. He was no longer a nobody. Now

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<v Speaker 2>he had power and he was ready to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of networking in the glamour industry is done

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<v Speaker 2>at what's called shoot camps. There are events where models

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<v Speaker 2>and photographers can meet, mingle, and expand their portfolios. They

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<v Speaker 2>can be up to a week long and are often

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<v Speaker 2>held at all inclusive luxury hotels in exotic locations. By

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen, Luise was becoming one of their main attractions,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was also gaining a reputation.

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<v Speaker 1>I was specifically told not to work with Luis.

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<v Speaker 10>Go means.

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<v Speaker 4>I was, like, everybody keeps.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying that that's Alex. One of the many models I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to who attended events with Luis over the years, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically told me, you know, he has a tendency of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to sleep with the models or getting ultimatums. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, okay, I mean, he's got great work,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I'm not going to put myself at risk.

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<v Speaker 1>So I legit just did not work with him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not my scene.

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<v Speaker 2>But that didn't seem to put off event organizers.

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<v Speaker 4>He said he had access to major publics, which meant

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<v Speaker 4>him coming to the event guaranteed that anyone he shot

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<v Speaker 4>with was published in Playboy. His associations are vital to

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<v Speaker 4>his reach.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a source who attended many shoot camps with

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<v Speaker 2>Louise and witnessed his behavior there. She doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be identified or named, and her words are voiced by

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<v Speaker 2>an actor. The source tells me about an incident she

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<v Speaker 2>witnessed at a twenty eighteen event where Louise was the

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<v Speaker 2>star attraction. A model had been shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>With him, and this girl comes running and crying out

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<v Speaker 4>of the bedroom saying that Louise attacked her. All of

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<v Speaker 4>these women are now trying to comfort and protect this

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<v Speaker 4>young girl. She was eighteen. Louise was asked to leave,

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<v Speaker 4>and he refused to leave the property because he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have all of his equipment. So you know, you had

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<v Speaker 4>people going up trying to locate and gather his equipment,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, throwing it out on the law and saying,

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<v Speaker 4>don't ever fucking come back. How dare you? We trusted you,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you don't leave, the authorities will be called.

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<v Speaker 4>And he packed up his stuff.

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<v Speaker 11>And he left, and that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven other women from that same event then came forward

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<v Speaker 2>with accusations against Luise.

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<v Speaker 4>It became this entire thing where these other women came in,

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<v Speaker 4>like this morning, he said that to me last night,

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<v Speaker 4>he said that to me yesterday. He made me feel

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<v Speaker 4>like if I didn't sleep with him, that I would

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<v Speaker 4>never be a model.

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<v Speaker 2>They all made accusations that will sound depressingly familiar to

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<v Speaker 2>you by now, level pushing and requesting sexual.

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<v Speaker 4>Favors, and he was banned right then, right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Banning Luise came at a cost. His magazine connections had

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<v Speaker 2>been a big draw for the models.

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<v Speaker 4>They want Playboy Maxim fhm. They want these major brand deals.

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<v Speaker 2>Other photographers just didn't seem to be as established.

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<v Speaker 4>None of them have the reach that Louis Gomez has.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not a morally sound person, but he is connected

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<v Speaker 4>very deep in the publication world.

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<v Speaker 2>So shockingly, the event organizers invited Luis back on the

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<v Speaker 2>condition that he wouldn't behave inappropriately with any more models.

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<v Speaker 2>But according to the source, Luise was immediately up to

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<v Speaker 2>his old tricks, and when he was confronted, he played

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<v Speaker 2>the victim and made excuse after excuse.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't do that. I didn't, I wouldn't, I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not me. He was crying, and he was saying

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<v Speaker 4>that he doesn't want his wife to find out. He

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<v Speaker 4>loves his wife. She would leave him if she found out.

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<v Speaker 4>I think English is his third language, so he uses

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<v Speaker 4>that to his advantage, making it seem like he doesn't understand,

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<v Speaker 4>or he doesn't comprehend, or he doesn't remember certain words,

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<v Speaker 4>or oh, I'm sorry, I'm foreign. That's not what I

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<v Speaker 4>meant my English isn't very good. It's a lie. He's

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<v Speaker 4>very fluent in English. He understands and he speaks it

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<v Speaker 4>as well as you and I. He plays stupid. You

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<v Speaker 4>know who he is because of his pattern of behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>You can reach across the globe and find out that

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<v Speaker 4>he has done the same thing in multiple countries to

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<v Speaker 4>multiple girls, and it goes on and on and on

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<v Speaker 4>and on.

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly, it only took Luise two events to get banned again.

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<v Speaker 4>He will not change the people that are like him

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<v Speaker 4>or the people that enable him. They are the same.

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<v Speaker 2>So who are the people Luise works with? My producer

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<v Speaker 2>Eleanor and I go to Luis's website to try and

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<v Speaker 2>find out. There's a page of collaborators and partners, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a bio of each collaborator. There's loads of photographers,

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<v Speaker 2>another photographer, photographer, photographer. On his website, Luise has posted

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<v Speaker 2>thumb nails of eighty so uciates and collaborators from around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, each of them with a little bio in

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<v Speaker 2>English and Spanish about what they do and their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with his business universe. One three seven studios. We reached

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<v Speaker 2>out to all eighty of these so called collaborators. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them said they hardly knew Luis at all, that

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<v Speaker 2>they just met him once and was surprised to be

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<v Speaker 2>on his website. Others, yes, little shit.

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<v Speaker 8>Where do I start with Lewis? Oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 8>way darker and way deeper than I could ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's one collaborator who really catches my eye. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>this is interesting. Niz Operations, director of Universe one three

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<v Speaker 2>seven studios in the UK. I recognize niz His full

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<v Speaker 2>name is niz Uddin and he acted as Luis's fixer

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>in the UK. For a fee, he would help Louise

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<v Speaker 2>find models to shoot with. He said, okay, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Should book this news left the room and left me

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<v Speaker 4>on my own with that Louise.

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<v Speaker 7>This is our opportunity to for the first time speak

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<v Speaker 7>to someone who was close with Louise. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 7>kind of heard tale of this from the girls, but

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 7>it seems that Nis and Louise are no longer associated.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and I think we need to try and get

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<v Speaker 2>him on record.

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<v Speaker 11>Hi to all our Universe one three seven followers first

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<v Speaker 11>shoots in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>By twenty twenty, niz Arden had worked in the British

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 2>glamour industry for years. He helped Luis Gomez, a photographer

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<v Speaker 2>living stylesands of miles away, make connections and book models

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<v Speaker 2>for shoots. Here's a clip of both of them, which

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>was posted to the Universe one through seven Studios Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>You can even hear Louise.

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<v Speaker 11>We're in Newcastle upon Time, which is north east of England.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But when the UK Glamor Models spoke to Nears about

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 2>their allegations, he opted to keep working with Louise. This

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 2>is an excerpt of Nears talking to hera, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the group's leaders, on a call that she recorded.

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<v Speaker 8>I called a girl who welcome takes female friends again.

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<v Speaker 13>Instead of doing that just do you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 13>instead of putting them in a position where they've got

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<v Speaker 13>to take a friend with them, just don't let it happen.

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<v Speaker 13>Why why do you why let a girl go into

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 13>that type of like environment O a shoe that just

0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 13>shouldn't happen, Like no one should ever feel so I'm

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 13>say that they should have someone sat.

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 8>There with them. It's just it's just you know why,

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<v Speaker 8>people who know me, they know I'm in it for,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the progress myself and make my money and

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<v Speaker 8>go home. I'm not in it for the pussy mate.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll be with my mid for twenty two years, so

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<v Speaker 8>I'm in it for the pussy at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So the models named and shamed Nis alongside Luise in

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<v Speaker 2>their big social media call out. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Nis about what happened in twenty twenty. Why did

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<v Speaker 2>he continue to work with Luis even after hearing the

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<v Speaker 2>women's allegations of abuse. Hi, yas that, Liz. I'm fully

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<v Speaker 2>expecting Nis to hang up on me, yes speaking, but

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<v Speaker 2>not only will he talk to me, he says he's

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<v Speaker 2>happy to be in the podcast. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>It catches me off guard. If you're happy for me

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<v Speaker 2>to use this conversation as part of it, then we

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<v Speaker 2>can do that. And I've just there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things that would be helpful to clear up while I've

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<v Speaker 2>got you now, then if that's okay, good, Niz says

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<v Speaker 2>he You've got a fee for every British model he

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<v Speaker 2>booked for Luise to shoot.

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<v Speaker 8>The way it worked Earie was also commission based. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>I get the bookings and you've given me commission, so

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<v Speaker 8>it's my job to really puts it, promote it, and

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<v Speaker 8>really get it out there kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your commission? What did you earn?

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<v Speaker 8>It can be anything from fifty pounds to one hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Per you know, peripheral.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I'm sure with thetall bookings.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you aware of anything that Louise would ask for

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<v Speaker 2>instead of having payment?

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<v Speaker 8>I know he's sent me a pup from our escort

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<v Speaker 8>and he just say, you know, come from one service

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<v Speaker 8>or service or whatever. But I'm not. I don't want

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<v Speaker 8>to hear about it. It's between you lot. I don't

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<v Speaker 8>get involved in any of that. You know, it's not

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<v Speaker 8>our business.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way of knowing when there's first heard allegations

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<v Speaker 2>against Louise, but I do know that he definitely heard.

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<v Speaker 2>By September twenty twenty, the models gave me a trove

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence proving that they told Nis about Luise's alleged behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Emily sent this voice note to the WhatsApp group describing

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation she says she had with Niznis called me

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<v Speaker 2>the day after my shoot, in the morning of my shoe.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a forty minute conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, he's a fucking pervert.

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<v Speaker 2>He crossed the line. He asked me if I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to sleep with him. I've also seen multiple text

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<v Speaker 2>messages in which models reach out to Niz informing him

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<v Speaker 2>about bad experiences while shooting with Luis Tony.

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<v Speaker 8>Good keep it quiet for a while, because he's thought

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<v Speaker 8>holding on to a lot of commissions. If he was

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<v Speaker 8>to get some books. Now, you'll back you into the

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<v Speaker 8>space for whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wanted to see a single penny of it, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So you were concerned that you wouldn't get paid if

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<v Speaker 2>he was to disappear at that time.

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously the individuals wait two three days extra or even

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<v Speaker 8>during the shoot shoot, you know, wait a bit longer, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose on the from the model side, though, they

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<v Speaker 2>were very anxious to get the word out there to

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<v Speaker 2>stop those shoots. They didn't want any more models to

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<v Speaker 2>have to come into contact with him.

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<v Speaker 8>So I guess through when you know the money is

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<v Speaker 8>being elected.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, what the fuck isn't it saying what I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying that he wanted the models to delay outing

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<v Speaker 2>an alleged sexual predator just so that he could get paid.

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<v Speaker 8>I had to right off frands worth of bookings.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any sympathies with the girls you know

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<v Speaker 2>from what they've been through with Louise.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, a week longer, you know, I could have

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<v Speaker 8>come out and said something, but they wait a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think there's any responsibility in that.

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<v Speaker 8>Or not at all? I mean they look cherone with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm only taking bookings. Take a chaperone with you. This

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<v Speaker 2>is all making me feel really uneasy undone.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you know I deserve but why did I get done?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm the guy bang in the middle of all this,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, I'm the guy who is just taking bookings

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<v Speaker 8>and their fit.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think the models have lost from this?

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<v Speaker 8>It would be a bit of a safety and security

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<v Speaker 8>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that would have had a long lasting

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<v Speaker 2>impact on them?

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<v Speaker 8>Of course, of course it's actress it caused. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, if it supports me this kind of kind

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<v Speaker 8>of distress, I'm sure it's probably called them the same

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<v Speaker 8>thing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wasting for is to take some accountability. I'm giving

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<v Speaker 2>him every opportunity I can think of. Does it make

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<v Speaker 2>you regret anything that's happened over the pastor years.

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<v Speaker 8>I just wish I'd never been him. It's actually made

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<v Speaker 8>me put my up even more and makes me among that.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, no one could be trusted out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Niz just turns the spotlight back on himself.

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<v Speaker 8>I've lost my recation. I've lost a lot for its

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<v Speaker 8>out there people who trust me, you know, I've lost that.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it feels like Nis is still seeing himself

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<v Speaker 2>as a victim in all this, whereas I can't help

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<v Speaker 2>but think of the models who say they suffered at

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of Luis Gomes. They were truly on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have a better picture of Luis

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<v Speaker 2>Gomes now. He started out like any old GWC, but

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<v Speaker 2>he teuted connections to Playboy, which made him a start,

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<v Speaker 2>and from twenty seventeen onwards, his behavior seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>escalated claims of sexual abuse with a consistent emo called

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<v Speaker 2>out by the women who say it's happened to them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the anonymous source said to me, you know

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<v Speaker 2>who he is because of his pattern of behavior. He

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<v Speaker 2>has done the same thing in multiple countries to multiple girls,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 8>And on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>My producer Eleanor and I are left feeling frustrated.

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<v Speaker 7>The accountability lies with the people that are enabling this

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<v Speaker 7>behavior as well nobody is doing anything about it, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's sort of like, oh, well, we'll just turn a

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<v Speaker 7>blind eye until he's arrested or until what Why why

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<v Speaker 7>aren't people taking this seriously? Why isn't there more of

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<v Speaker 7>a stand within the industry where people say, actually, that's

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<v Speaker 7>not on. And then.

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<v Speaker 2>We get a message it's from another collaborator. Hello, Ellie,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for reaching out to me. Assuming I

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<v Speaker 2>am correct and who this person is, I have suffered

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<v Speaker 2>more than anyone at his hand. His offenses go well

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<v Speaker 2>beyond sexual harassment and abuse. I would like nothing more

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<v Speaker 2>than to see him behind the far turns out there's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole other side to what Luis is up to,

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<v Speaker 2>because the allegations aren't just sexual, they're financial too. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up on the bunny.

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<v Speaker 7>Trap, he said, for five pounds, I could be the

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<v Speaker 7>playboy paymade.

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<v Speaker 3>Effectively, any woman can be a covered all these days

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<v Speaker 3>if you're willing to pony up the dell.

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<v Speaker 10>They call him the venezuela and tapeworm really, and he's

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<v Speaker 10>the definition of parasite. It's an organism that feeds off

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<v Speaker 10>of others to their detriment.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to the women who shared their stories with us,

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<v Speaker 2>we contacted Luis Gomez multiple times for comment, but we

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<v Speaker 2>never heard back. He has not been charged with any

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<v Speaker 2>crimes and is presumed innocent under the law. We also

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<v Speaker 2>sought comment from Playboy USA. They declined our request for

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<v Speaker 2>an interview, but you can hear their statement later in

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<v Speaker 2>the series. The Bonnie Trap is produced by Novel. For

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<v Speaker 2>more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The show is

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<v Speaker 2>hosted by me Ellie Flynn. You can find me on

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<v Speaker 2>social media by searching my name that's eb l i

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<v Speaker 2>E Fly double N. This season is produced by Eleanor

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<v Speaker 2>Biggs and written by me Ellie Flynn and Eleana Biggs.

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<v Speaker 2>Our assistant producer is Amalia Sortland, with additional production from

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Meyer and Saskia Collette. Additional research by Valeria Rocker.

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<v Speaker 2>The editors are Georgia Moody and Austin Mitchell. Our executive

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<v Speaker 2>producers are Max O'Brien and Craig Strachan. Our fact checker

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<v Speaker 2>is Frendall Fulton. Production management from Scherie Houston and Charlotte Wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound design, mixing and scoring by Daniel Campsen and Nicholas Alexander.

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<v Speaker 2>Music supervision by Nicholas Alexander Eleanor Biggs and Max O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 2>Original music composed and performed by Jake Long, and additional

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<v Speaker 2>production by Nicholas Alexander, Louisa Gersteine and Daniel Kempson. The

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<v Speaker 2>series artwork was designed by Christina Limcold Willard Foxton, its

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<v Speaker 2>creative director of development. Izzy was played by Florian Claire

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<v Speaker 2>and the anonymous source was played by Maddie Ingram. Luisco

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<v Speaker 2>Mers was played by Juan Solari. The Venezuelan talk show

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<v Speaker 2>you heard was from Programma de Gala

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<v Speaker 4>Novel