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Speaker 1: more thing I'm strong and getty, one more thing before

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Speaker 1: this out. I just saw an ad for one of these,

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Speaker 1: It's like paper that's backlit. I don't know how they

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Speaker 1: did that, but I've been reading on my phone for

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Speaker 1: my phone on download books. Reading on the phone, but

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Speaker 1: the bright light. I didn't even realize how tiring it

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Speaker 1: Kindle paper White backlit, I can read like I used

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Speaker 1: It's way, way, way better way. So, if you're a

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Speaker 1: person who reads on electronic advice device not advice, I'm

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Speaker 1: giving you advice, I highly recommend the Kindle. It is

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Speaker 1: it's much better the paper white.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell whether you're saying that or paper weight

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Speaker 2: with a British accent.

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Speaker 1: It's a pipe.

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Speaker 2: Why look at it Australia now. But all right, I'm

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Speaker 2: a knook command myself. But I'll have to look into

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Speaker 2: the advanced Okay, the nuke might be the same.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's more just glowey screeny. But I don't have the device.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, the the Kindle paper white thing. It

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Speaker 1: makes it look like paper. I don't know how they

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Speaker 1: did that. It doesn't look like you're looking at a screen.

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Speaker 1: It looks like you're looking at a page on a book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And it's just completely different on the eyes.

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Speaker 4: But AnyWho, Yes, I can't believe you read on your phone,

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Speaker 5: That's amazing to me. I could I don't. I have trouble.

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Speaker 4: Like I'll find an article I'm interested in and I

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Speaker 4: Because for some reason on my phone, like notifications come

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too much scrolling, my thumbs get tired.

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Speaker 1: I just like that. I always have it with me,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing I liked about it. I always have

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Speaker 1: this up for us? Katie? What are we about to hear?

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Speaker 4: There's this trend going around the internet where people have

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Speaker 4: coming out of anesthesia, people film them and.

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Speaker 1: In they in theory, the people closest to you, who

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Speaker 1: on the internet? Right?

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Speaker 5: And these people just say the darnedest of things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so these are people coming out of anesthesia.

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Speaker 3: Are you rich? I'm a nurse, definitely not rich, Sugar Addie.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a boyfriend?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have.

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Speaker 1: Nobody loves me.

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Speaker 5: My wife she'll get upset if she sees you touching

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna it.

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Speaker 3: Look it's like a laser.

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Speaker 1: You know, if he wanted to, you can just act.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right and sucky.

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Speaker 5: She's in the wrong field.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what I said to her.

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Speaker 3: You've never confronted her about it.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: Kind of if we should, Let's get her on right now.

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Speaker 2: So strung you get it, whack it, follow up call,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it was just so prolonged and graphic.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite of the waking up from anesthesia

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Speaker 2: No, I would never marry, so I chose, you know,

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Speaker 3: Thank God it didn't go that way.

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Speaker 2: Kid. Yeah, So I found this interesting, speaking of being

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Speaker 1: We're talking ten to twelve drinks a day, every day,

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Speaker 2: Precisely, this drug cancels your ability to feel any sort

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Speaker 1: Well, I have two comments on that. When whatever works

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Speaker 2: Buzz now, right, She just what she says, is it

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Speaker 2: craving for now? That's interesting, like for years, And she's

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Speaker 2: not claiming that this is a universal cure.

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Speaker 1: All I saw the cover of a book somewhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: drink your way sober. Yes, the brain is so freaking complicated.

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Speaker 1: This is what I always say on this topic. I'm

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Speaker 1: of figuring this out. Now, I'll tell you what doesn't work. Rehabs.

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Speaker 1: They are they're like practically useless. But it's everybody's first

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Speaker 3: Two results ratio in the history of mankind might be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this lady's thing works.

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Speaker 4: I have a question about that antibius stuff, Jack. I

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Speaker 4: don't know how much you know about it, But is

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Speaker 4: it something that you take on like a daily basis

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Speaker 4: and build up a tolerance with it or do you

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Speaker 4: just take it prior to drink? Because I had a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's just prior to I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. I knew somebody that tried it, and

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Speaker 1: and then other times I think I want to drink today,

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Speaker 2: I remember years and years ago you were talking about

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Speaker 2: me if I'm off. But it's said in the recovery

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Speaker 2: community that you're trying to fix your brain with your brain. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's a very challenging.

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Speaker 1: Thing to obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the point of this, semi obviously is that

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Speaker 2: the positive feedback slowly just goes away because you don't

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Speaker 3: Oh, this will be great, this will be great, this

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Speaker 1: And that's what reminded me of the sweets thing, though

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Speaker 1: I was I've been hoping that would happen with the sweets.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it treats whatever you get out of drugs and

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it has something to do with the

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Speaker 2: discovery that like diet, soda and artificial sweeteners don't do

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Speaker 2: four hundred thousand years old, having to do with needing

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Speaker 2: And so your animal brain is craving that in a

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Speaker 2: way it doesn't crave forgetting about my problems for an

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Speaker 1: I wish I craved vegetables the way I crave sweets.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be awesome. I've never craved a vegetable in

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Speaker 5: Sure go for some broccoli right about.

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Speaker 1: Constantly crave sweets. And I can't satisfy the at least

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, the book once again is called Drink Yourself Sober,

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Speaker 2: which is obviously kind of a clever and counterintuitive title

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Speaker 1: I hope it works. That would be great for everyone

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Speaker 1: dying in a drunk driving crash when she drank again. Soe,

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Speaker 1: So I hope it works.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and even if it works for I

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Speaker 2: don't know, twenty percent of people, ten percent, that's better

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Speaker 2: than none.

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Speaker 1: It'd be much higher than rehabs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess that's it.