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Speaker 5: Joanna see what change the song? It's too much, man,

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Speaker 5: it's too much. Take a baseball batch of someone's car?

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Speaker 4: How is it legal? I sent that that sent that

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Speaker 4: video to you guys yesterday that it was like this

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Speaker 4: big ass concert and the dude like started the music.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he started the music and then you just

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Speaker 4: saw massive humanity. Just how is that legal? How is

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Speaker 4: machh pitting of that? Of that? How is mash pitting

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Speaker 4: period legal?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: How are you able? I'm going to a concert today,

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Speaker 4: I'm putting on these horned rings, I'm putting on my

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Speaker 4: leather jacket, I'm putting on my chucks. Whatever.

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Speaker 3: It was that serious?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's called the Wall of Death?

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Speaker 4: What yeah, that's crazy. How is how is that legal? Coop?

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Speaker 3: Do you know that metal?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? How is that legal?

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Speaker 6: It's just when when two sides of the out just

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Speaker 6: just run at each other and just bamn?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, how's that legal? That's awesome? How is it legal?

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Speaker 4: I mean that's just noble. Do you like crawl through

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Speaker 4: people's legs? If you've ever done that? Like, how do

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Speaker 4: you do it?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 4: Do you really like be punching and kicking hit button?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 6: I mean, to be fair, I've never done a Wall

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Speaker 6: of Death, but when I get in the mosh pit

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Speaker 6: or like the circle pit, my goal is to just

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Speaker 6: try and not try and stay on.

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Speaker 4: My feet die. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because if I don't stay on my feet, death,

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Speaker 6: death is possible.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're just the ground.

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Speaker 9: You're not the biggest ya, No, I am not, So

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Speaker 9: why would you go do it? Yeah? What what's the

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Speaker 9: point there?

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Speaker 4: Like if I were in a mosh pit, I would

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Speaker 4: be playing dodgeball with you. It makes me feel a

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Speaker 4: lot anymore there any more? Like this one ball over

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Speaker 4: together the floor?

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Speaker 9: Well, is your fight or flight? Not coming to play pair?

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Speaker 9: Like kick in? Like I feel like you've missed out

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Speaker 9: some national instincts. No, I mean I don't.

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Speaker 6: It's one of the only areas in my life where

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Speaker 6: i've you know, do done well.

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Speaker 3: But this is what I'm curious though, This is what

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Speaker 3: I'm curious though.

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Speaker 2: On the set of Liar Liar, did somebody say, hey,

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Speaker 2: check out this Slayer song and you were just hooked

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Speaker 2: from there?

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Speaker 3: Like how do you even get involved in the world.

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Speaker 6: No, it wasn't until uh, until I started high school

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Speaker 6: that I got like into heavier music.

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Speaker 4: But but you should.

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Speaker 6: You should note that people in the moshpit, especially like

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Speaker 6: a circle pit, they're all very nice people.

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Speaker 4: Like if you get knocked, if you get knocked down out. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're running over to help. Yeah, push back out there?

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Speaker 4: What are you doing?

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Speaker 9: I've run over to pick everyone up. Yeah, I'm the

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Speaker 3: They all do that, I really really do.

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Speaker 4: It's weird.

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Speaker 9: Hey bro, you got your ass kick dear, let me

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Speaker 9: help you up. Hold on elbow to the face.

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Speaker 4: That's what I would think, like you kick him out

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Speaker 4: it down? Yeah, you're moshpitting. You don't have like, you

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Speaker 4: don't have pleasant trees and motts mosh pitting.

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Speaker 3: You gotta see them.

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Speaker 2: You got to see the one from Woodstock ninety nine

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Speaker 2: when Corn played the mosh pit, there was like.

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Speaker 4: A duringk blind.

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Speaker 9: Jonas, you're a fan, but you've never been in one.

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Speaker 4: I can guarantee that my ass.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been in one.

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Speaker 5: Oh stop, your body would fall I've told, I've told

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Speaker 5: the story.

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Speaker 9: Would cap would pop out.

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Speaker 3: I was in a Slayer mosh pit and wiped out

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Speaker 3: some guy.

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Speaker 2: That was at least three bills. I mean, I hurt

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Speaker 2: my shoulder, but you still got a good licking.

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Speaker 9: Why don't we allow it? Jonas to lie to everyone?

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Speaker 4: I mean, and he really be hyping it too.

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Speaker 3: Why why would you think I would lie about that?

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Speaker 9: Because you lie about a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't lie about a lot like like you

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Speaker 4: creating the Manzi bolanos Uh song, Oh yeah that was

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Speaker 4: a lie. You didn't do that.

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Speaker 10: That was creative, but definitely evidence that you're the one

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Speaker 10: that was Can we use the evidence?

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Speaker 3: What I don't have evidence?

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Speaker 4: What do you talk? Oh there's evidence, there's evidence.

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Speaker 3: What you're talking about?

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Speaker 4: Oh there's evidence?

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Speaker 2: Well, there was some evidence of some bad football teams

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 3: I say that, Look.

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Speaker 4: Right, there was the team.

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Speaker 2: I would say Dallas's offense is good. I still I

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Speaker 2: think maybe their defense they've improved. They've improved, Quinn Williams.

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Speaker 4: You just don't know. Because the Raiders thing.

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Speaker 3: The Raiders are so much worse.

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Speaker 4: I thought so bad and by all, by all accounts,

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Speaker 4: shouldn't Pete Carroll by judge the same way a p

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Speaker 4: was judged last because it kind of looks the same

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Speaker 4: to me. Kind of looks the same to me, like

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Speaker 4: it's going to take a build. Yeah, and a quarterback

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Speaker 4: by the way, sorry Geno, or offensive line that can

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Speaker 4: protect him. I mean he didn't have very much time.

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Speaker 4: But still, I don't know. They look bad. That's all

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say. And they made Dallas look good, which,

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Speaker 4: by the way, why shouldn't they look good. You got

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Speaker 4: maybe the best receiver tandem in all of the NFL.

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Speaker 4: You got a quarterback that's playing out a high pretty

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Speaker 4: high level, and now you add quinnin to the defensive side.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the linebacker isn't bad. It's his name fifty

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Speaker 4: they get him from?

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Speaker 9: Who come out, Marris Lufa is thirty five?

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Speaker 4: Thirty five? No, no, no, no, the new one that

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Speaker 4: they just from Cincy.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't bad. I think Jerry Jones is probably happy

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Speaker 4: with the way his team looks right now. If I

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Speaker 4: were Jerry Jones, I would be happy with the exception

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Speaker 4: of maybe a few positions that I feel like I

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Speaker 4: want to upgrade. But the potential of what this Dallas

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Speaker 4: team could be is there. I will say that I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not going to get carried away about

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Speaker 4: them being any better than what they were in the

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Speaker 4: game they were in last night against the opponent they

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Speaker 4: were against. I won't go too much further from that

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Speaker 4: because I don't know if it's applicable to better teams.

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Speaker 4: But they have. They got a schedule coming up, and

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Speaker 4: we'll find out how good they are in these next

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Speaker 4: few games. That they were pretty much the rest of

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Speaker 4: the way, I believe, So we'll see. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm watching and I've said it before, but

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Speaker 2: every time I see the Raiders, they look like they

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Speaker 2: get worse.

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Speaker 4: Like there's no.

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Speaker 3: You don't see any sort of a cent or any.

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Speaker 4: Sort of trying to blow a balloon up that has

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Speaker 4: a small hole. Yeah, like understand, won't won't hold the air.

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Speaker 3: It's just getting worse by the by the by the game.

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Speaker 2: And it was you know, we saw Geno Smith on

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Speaker 2: you know, was it a Thursday night game, And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: all right, well that looked pretty bad. But at least

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Speaker 2: he wanted to stay in there and got it out

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Speaker 2: and you know, kind of work through it. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, you know, it's admirable. And and every

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Speaker 2: game I just come away going, wow, they're they're even

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Speaker 2: worse than they were last game. And I just I

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Speaker 2: don't know what my expectations were for them. I didn't

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Speaker 2: thought that they would be further along than this, and

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Speaker 2: they're nowhere close, and it just seems like Pete Carroll's

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Speaker 2: aging by the game the way this season's gone, and they.

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Speaker 5: Just don't have what they need on the roster. I

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Speaker 5: will continually keep this. Gino Smith's in a really really

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Speaker 5: tough position. And whether it's a lack of protection or

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Speaker 5: a lack of weapons, I mean, I think about this

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Speaker 5: like Bowers obviously as they're leading, you know, receiver at

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Speaker 5: tight end, he was out for a period of time,

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Speaker 5: like when you didn't have him, you don't have anything,

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Speaker 5: and he is that chess piece that that's a true

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Speaker 5: difference maker, but you have to have more. And when

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Speaker 5: the run game's not there with Jenty like last night,

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Speaker 5: it's just there's not really much you can do. And

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Speaker 5: that's the tough spot that Geno's in, the Raiders offenses in,

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Speaker 5: and really it's putting the defense in. Is they're gonna

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Speaker 5: get outscored most games and there become one dimensional most games.

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Speaker 5: Like it's not hard to take away Bowers and then

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Speaker 5: they have to kind of figure out what they're gonna

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Speaker 5: do after that. So if they can't run the football

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Speaker 5: and they can't add in or sprinkle in some of their.

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Speaker 9: Pieces, like I just sprinkle. But think about it like

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Speaker 9: that is a tough spot to be in.

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Speaker 5: I just called a game where you basically had for

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Speaker 5: each team a number one wide receiver and then maybe

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Speaker 5: some guys trying to compliment. It's just that those are

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Speaker 5: not gonna be teams that are gonna be consistently successful

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Speaker 5: in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: It is such a matchup driven league.

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Speaker 5: If you don't have a guy that forces teams to

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Speaker 5: try to match up, teams to do something different, it's

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Speaker 5: it's it's gonna be a long season.

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Speaker 9: And it's gonna take time to get to that point.

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Speaker 9: And then Raiders just don't have that.

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Speaker 5: And so to your point about Antonio Pierce, you know,

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Speaker 5: should she's still been there would have been different.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not behind you know, those doors, And yeah, I

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Speaker 5: don't know how they're trying to build stuff. I'm not

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't know if it would have been

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Speaker 5: any different. You know, maybe they should have kept ap,

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Speaker 5: but it isn't any different this year. That's that's yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's what I'm saying. It's like like like who knows, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But then he was glazing them though they came out

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Speaker 4: Just in case that's glazing.

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Speaker 2: So he was owed forty nine million dollars in the

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Speaker 4: it's a great get.

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Speaker 8: It is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm Virginia Tech, I am crazy a

443
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Speaker 4: static that I was able to get a coach of

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Speaker 4: his caliber to come in this day and age to

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Speaker 4: come to our school and coach. I would have thought

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Speaker 4: he might have held out and waited for maybe a

447
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Speaker 4: bigger job opening to come before making that decision or

448
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Speaker 4: going to Virginia Tech. But I mean, if you look

449
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Speaker 4: at it from a very critical perspective, I can't even

450
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Speaker 4: imagine how many guys are probably going to end up

451
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Speaker 4: leaving Penn State to go to Virginia Tech. There may

452
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Speaker 4: be some guys that are at other schools that may

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Speaker 4: end up leaving there that were recruited by James Franklin

454
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Speaker 4: before may not be in the happiest of situations. Are

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Speaker 4: going to go to Virginia Tech. He's going to ramp

456
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Speaker 4: up pretty quickly. I would be shy if he did

457
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Speaker 4: not ramp up very quickly soon as he gets in

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Speaker 4: there and the transfer portal opens.

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Speaker 9: So a few thoughts from my side on this thing

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Speaker 9: with with with James Franklin.

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Speaker 5: You know, he he struggled to win those big AP

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Speaker 5: rank games, and what's interesting about that is a lot

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Speaker 5: of those games came down to tight you know, fourth

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Speaker 5: quarter end of game scenarios or situations, and I always

465
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Speaker 5: thought he didn't manage it overly. Well, I feel like

466
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Speaker 5: you're gonna be planning a lot of tight games at

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Speaker 5: Virginia Tech every single week. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 5: it's a little bit of a concern. Like I, I know,

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Speaker 5: James Franklin can recruit, he's a good man, he's a

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Speaker 5: good he's a good guy, good coach. That is the

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Speaker 5: one thing that I kind of look at as a

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Speaker 5: bit of a flaw from his time at Penn State

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Speaker 5: that I do wonder how that will play out at

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Speaker 5: Virginia Tech. I also I'm wondering this, I mean he

475
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Speaker 5: recruited really well at Penn State. I do think he'll

476
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Speaker 5: be able to recruit well or at least better than

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Speaker 5: what they've had at Virginia Tech. But in a day

478
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Speaker 5: and age where you're everyone's kind of getting paid, you know,

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Speaker 5: you have to wonder what the collective situation looks like

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Speaker 5: at Virginia Tech, what additional funds they have that gives

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Speaker 5: them an advantage over other teams in the ACC. I

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Speaker 5: do think he's got to strike fast. I mean, this

483
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Speaker 5: is an ACC that's got Florida State down, Miami's up.

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Speaker 5: But when you look at the programs that you're in

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Speaker 5: competition with, I think you can you can compete if

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Speaker 5: you just handle that local area kind of like you're

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Speaker 5: talking about right, Like they don't. He doesn't need to

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Speaker 5: really go outside of Virginia or the DMV like that

489
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Speaker 5: that area of the country to be able to field

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Speaker 5: a team and be really successful. Like I also think

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Speaker 5: this probably hurts teams like Maryland. Oh yeah, Like like

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Speaker 5: Mike Loxley has his work cut out from now because

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Speaker 5: he's got another coach in there who knows how to

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Speaker 5: recruit the area and gonna make it even harder for

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Speaker 5: you know, those sort of mid tier, bottom tier, you know,

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Speaker 5: big ten conference teams that are trying to you know,

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Speaker 5: find some of those recruits Rutgers, et cetera.

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Speaker 9: So there's there's that element of the conversation.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to throw this question out there, and I

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Speaker 5: need Jonas to respond first, because you're too close to

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Speaker 5: the situation LeVar, and I don't know what if you can,

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Speaker 5: But the question is, are you surprised Jonas that Virginia

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Speaker 5: Tech has found their new head coach in James Franklin

504
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Speaker 5: before Penn State found their next head coach, given that,

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Speaker 5: they kind of obviously made the decision, and it felt

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Speaker 5: like when they made the decision to fire James Franklin,

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Speaker 5: they probably had a singular person in mind.

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Speaker 9: It wasn't just like, hey, let's move on and start anew.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought that given given the job

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Speaker 2: and given the unmet expectations and the buyout, and I

512
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Speaker 2: would I would have assumed you made a move with

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Speaker 2: the understanding you at least had a pretty good idea

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Speaker 2: who would be the next guy in the door.

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Speaker 4: And here we are. Who's to say they don't.

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Speaker 9: Why is he hired?

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Speaker 4: Now? I mean there might be a valid reason as

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Speaker 4: to why is not hired.

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Speaker 9: Now, what would be the valid reason?

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Speaker 4: I would most likely say the valid reason would be

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Speaker 4: to get through the season. That that would be. That

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Speaker 4: would be my valid reason. Like you're you're now hitting down.

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Speaker 9: And you're narrowing your pool to coaches who are still coaching.

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Speaker 4: I don't. All I'm saying is you allow for Terry

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Speaker 4: Smith to have the opportunity to finish out the year

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Speaker 4: with a level of buy in from and an opportunity

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Speaker 4: for the players to not feel like something is getting

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Speaker 4: brought their way.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't they just let James Franklin finish out the year?

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Speaker 4: Then it's a great question. I think I have the

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Speaker 4: answer to it, But I don't know that I had

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Speaker 4: the answer to it, and I don't want to misrepresent myself.

533
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Speaker 4: Why not in the scenario? So that's his show is

534
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Speaker 4: all about we miss.

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Speaker 9: He doesn't want to allow it to say anything.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I can openly say stuff because I'm

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Speaker 5: not a part of reservice he has.

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Speaker 9: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I would not describe their coaching search as one that

540
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Speaker 5: had a singular person in mind, or that in one

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Speaker 5: individual in mind. Maybe they had you know, a few

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Speaker 5: people on a short list. But from what I have

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Speaker 5: been able to ascertain, they have casted a wider net

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Speaker 5: than I thought following James Franklin's firing, given some of

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Speaker 5: the conversations that have been had with prospective.

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Speaker 9: Candidates, I'll leave at that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 9: Mean, I mean, and I've talked with two.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I feel good about what you throw out there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's good perspective.

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Speaker 5: Well, but I also think things got probably complicated for

552
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Speaker 5: a lot of potential candidates when Florida came open, then LSU,

553
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Speaker 5: and it's like this whole thing hit. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: what I find most interesting about the timing of when

555
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Speaker 5: firings have taken place this season is October seventh was

556
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Speaker 5: like a line of demarcation where if you made it

557
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Speaker 5: past that date, you were now under a different rule.

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Speaker 5: Your players could not transfer immediately. That's how it worked

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Speaker 5: before October seventh. That's why Oklahoma State had a bunch

560
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Speaker 5: of players who went to the transfer portal because they

561
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Speaker 5: were grandfather.

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Speaker 9: Claused into the old rule. And the old rule was if.

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Speaker 5: Once your coach was fired, a thirty day win opened

564
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Speaker 5: up for any player to basically leave and enter the

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Speaker 5: transfer portal and go elsewhere. So, for example, there is

566
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Speaker 5: a son to someone who works on the crew of

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Speaker 5: Big newon Kickoff and he was grandfather claused into that,

568
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Speaker 5: so you know, we were kind of talking about this

569
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Speaker 5: and he's going through his different visits. If it was

570
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Speaker 5: after October seventh, you can't leave. You either have to

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Speaker 5: wait for the next transfer portal window or they have

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Speaker 5: to hire the next head coach. And so now that

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Speaker 5: for example, in the case of Virginia Tech, players, now

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Speaker 5: that the decision has been made to hire James Franklin,

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Speaker 5: there will be a fifteen day period where James Franklin

576
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Speaker 5: can go in there, he can meet with all the players,

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Speaker 5: talk to all the players. After that fifteen day period,

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Speaker 5: there's a five day window where those players can choose

579
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Speaker 5: to transfer or hit the transfer portal and go elsewhere.

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Speaker 5: So the reason why I said that is because I

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Speaker 5: do think that some teams have been more patient and

582
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Speaker 5: firing their head coach. And I also think there's been

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Speaker 5: a little more hesitancy or maybe patients in hiring the

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Speaker 5: next guy because they want to make feel like they

585
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Speaker 5: sure they've got the right guy. But also they have

586
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Speaker 5: a lot of things that are all in the works,

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Speaker 5: that are together. So when he gets there, he could

588
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Speaker 5: kind of hit the ground running a bit with at

589
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Speaker 5: least retaining some of the players that are on the

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Speaker 5: ross they want to retain.

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Speaker 9: That is that the fairest way of putting it.

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Speaker 4: It's a great way of putting it. It's a good way,

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Speaker 4: great way, strong way. Yeah, Yeah, there's something, there's validity

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Speaker 4: to that. I just I think you mentioned you hit

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Speaker 4: it when you said want to be thorough and the approach.

596
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Speaker 4: You don't want to leave any stones unturned, and you

597
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Speaker 4: want to make the best decision that you can possibly

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Speaker 4: make and be proud about it. Yeah. I think Pat

599
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Speaker 4: Kraft is very, very aware of the fact that he

600
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Speaker 4: was not on the clock with James Franklin.

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Speaker 3: How real was the Matt Rule interest? Q? I'm asking

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Speaker 3: you ask me.

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Speaker 4: I was making a point. You want to ask me

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Speaker 4: about Matt Rule. Matt Rule got an extension that note Nebraska.

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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about Matt Rule coming to Penn State.

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Speaker 5: I would I would say this. It was real enough

607
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Speaker 5: where he got an extension at Nebraska. I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: not like I could sit here and say, hey, hey,

609
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Speaker 5: Penn State's looking at me, guys, and Fox Sports Radio

610
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Speaker 5: comes and gives me an extension writer or or you know,

611
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Speaker 5: gives you a pay bump. There's there's other coaches who

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Speaker 5: I would say him specifically.

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Speaker 4: You could go, maybe you could throw one more out there,

614
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Speaker 4: got an extension, you could throw one more and and

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Speaker 4: and for what it's worth. I mean you could possibly

616
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Speaker 4: be like, huh, what what was going on on? You know,

617
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: Notre Dame. Maybe Notre Dame might have not wanted there guy,

618
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Speaker 4: and and maybe he might have become a possibility. You

619
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Speaker 4: just never know. You just never know because this ledscape

620
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Speaker 4: just you don't know what's gonna happen if they win

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Speaker 4: in Pitt or if they don't win in Pitt. You know,

622
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Speaker 4: with the game they have, I mean, what is that?

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Speaker 4: What type of bearing does that have? You just don't know.

624
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Speaker 4: You don't know what directions. Some universities may go in.

625
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Speaker 4: And then somebody comes available that maybe mighta not have

626
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Speaker 4: came available that maybe you were interested in, maybe you weren't,

627
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Speaker 4: who knows, But I mean the season, the season kind

628
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Speaker 4: of unfolds in a way where it could give you

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Speaker 4: options that you might have not even previously had be.

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Speaker 1: Sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and a

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Speaker 1: Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and Jonas

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Speaker 1: Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 2: It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with the air coming

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Speaker 2: up in I don't know twenty minutes from now it's

636
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Speaker 2: the leftovers. But right now we'll welcome in Dean Blandino,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports NFL College Football Rules Analyst. Get him on

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Speaker 2: x at Dean Blandino and show him the respect he deserves. Dean,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 8: Dean, Good morning, guys, good morning morning.

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Speaker 9: Never morning, Dean, good morning.

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Speaker 8: Gets old.

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Speaker 4: No, never.

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Speaker 8: Can I start though, I got to start with something.

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Speaker 4: Come on, what's all now?

646
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Speaker 8: Col I am? I am watching the new season of

647
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Speaker 8: one of my guilty pleasures shows, Selling Sunset on Netflix.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 8: And I'm watching and my man LeVar shows up looking

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Speaker 8: at some twenty million dollar real estate with his beautiful

651
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Speaker 8: wife and my favorite on the show, Brie, and I

652
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Speaker 8: am just I'm like, are you kidding me? LaVar? That

653
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Speaker 8: was you? Are you were really? You were up there

654
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 8: for me? Now you're like, now you're Tom Brady level.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, wow, thanks Dean. I appreciate that. And you

656
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Speaker 4: should see the view we ended up uh settling in on.

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Speaker 4: Actually it's actually better than the one from the show

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Speaker 4: is Yeah, it is actually so.

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Speaker 8: But you you like doing the affirmations in the mirror everything?

660
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Speaker 8: It was awesome, It was awesome.

661
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to do your affirmation, bro, thank you,

662
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you for that.

663
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Speaker 9: I know the affirmations are going to make today show.

664
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Speaker 9: Yeah they are.

665
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Speaker 4: Well, some of us don't need them like you, you know,

666
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: because he wakes up looking the way he looks and

667
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: all that stuff, Dean.

668
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Speaker 5: So yeah, some of us don't have to reassure ourselves.

669
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Speaker 5: You know, we're not six for I was gonna say,

670
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Speaker 5: I'm not the type of guy that looks at the

671
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 5: mirror at himself a lot. Make sure to hold myself accountable.

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Speaker 8: Well you don't need to, Like he had a couple

673
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Speaker 8: of people carry mirror for him all the time.

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Speaker 4: Well there you go.

675
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 5: Now there's there's always that always speaking of speaking of

676
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Speaker 5: people here in the mirror for him. Uh, Dean, I

677
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 5: I got the call a game this weekend. I was

678
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 5: begging our producer Rich Gross to get you on our broadcast.

679
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 9: At some point.

680
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 5: We had you on for like a moment, and I

681
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 5: was able to I was able to make a couple

682
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Speaker 5: of throwaway comments, but there wasn't really any much of

683
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Speaker 5: a back and forth.

684
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Speaker 9: Which is really unfortunate.

685
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 5: I do appreciate the fact that you look like you've

686
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: balked up a little creating on there. The facial hair

687
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: is very well groomed. I was trying to give you

688
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Speaker 5: a nice compliment there.

689
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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, you did. You were you were complimenting me.

690
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Speaker 8: I appreciate that.

691
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Speaker 4: You know.

692
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Speaker 8: I'm always, you know, trying to aspire to be to

693
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Speaker 8: be you.

694
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Speaker 4: So I'm see there you go.

695
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Speaker 8: He's here myself. And can I tell you what did

696
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Speaker 8: you were? You were on my mind because I don't know.

697
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Speaker 8: In the in the Giants Packers broadcast, you know, our

698
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 8: new Fox Sports colleague Drew Brees, it was his first game,

699
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Speaker 8: and I went on the air to talk about a

700
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 8: play with with Drew and Adam Amin and I had

701
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Speaker 8: just spoken to you, and I very true, and I

702
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Speaker 8: called Drew Brady.

703
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Speaker 5: Broadcast, which could have been taken multiple ways, right Tom

704
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Speaker 5: maybe who knows.

705
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Speaker 8: People immediately went to Tom Brady and then and then

706
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Speaker 8: I was like our bosses, Shanks, Her, Shanks and Bigger.

707
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 8: They were laughing and they were in my ear. I

708
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Speaker 8: was like, no, it wasn't Tom Brady. Was Brady Quinn.

709
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Speaker 8: That was that I was thinking about because I just

710
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 8: talked to him so.

711
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Speaker 9: Right, which which you know, our producer wanted me to

712
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Speaker 9: say to you.

713
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Speaker 5: He wanted me to make a comment about how you

714
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: had to be back in studio instead of being with

715
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Speaker 5: your new best friend Tom Brady, like that was supposed

716
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Speaker 5: to be part of the.

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Speaker 4: Best while you're working out because you got you're there

718
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Speaker 4: with Tom Brady. That's what it is. I mean, just

719
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Speaker 4: tell the truth.

720
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Speaker 3: You're on the gastie I got, I got some of.

721
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Speaker 8: The I do. I may or may not have some

722
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Speaker 8: TV twelve products.

723
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Speaker 9: In my house.

724
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Speaker 4: Right, You're going to be making them Zoolander faces before long, bro.

725
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Speaker 2: Adan, I have to ask you the call that wrapped

726
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: up the Sunday action in the NFL, that it got

727
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: everybody hot and bothered that past interference?

728
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Speaker 3: Could you even call that? Could you even call that?

729
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: I legal contact? Like, was there anything there?

730
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Speaker 8: No, there's nothing there. I don't Yeah, it's just nothing

731
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Speaker 8: there I mean, it's just you know, you look at

732
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Speaker 8: agent Brown, he's initiating as much contact and it's just

733
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Speaker 8: not it's just not a foul. It's unfortunate, you know,

734
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Speaker 8: who knows, who knows what would have happened. Detroit couldn't

735
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Speaker 8: do anything on offense anyway, But it's just they should

736
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Speaker 8: have had an opportunity to get the ball back. And

737
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Speaker 8: that's just it's just not a foul. It's not when

738
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Speaker 8: you want called it at any point in the game.

739
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Dean. We we were having

740
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Speaker 4: a spirited conversation and it stemmed around kind of the

741
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: way you know, instant replay should be used. I kind

742
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Speaker 4: of went in a different direction just in terms of

743
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Speaker 4: the idea of the business of itself of refereeing. Can

744
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Speaker 4: you give us some insight on that, Like it's not

745
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Speaker 4: like you have. You know, these officials, they go on

746
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Speaker 4: the field, they call the game, then they go about

747
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: their business, go about their lives. Like I made the point,

748
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: like there there is a team of referees that are

749
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Speaker 4: on the sideline. They're taking notes, they're giving feedback there,

750
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Speaker 4: they're discussing what's going on. They all have headphones so

751
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: they're communicating just like everybody else is communicating. They're a

752
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Speaker 4: part of the production of the show. How can you

753
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: just give us some like can you pull the curtain

754
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Speaker 4: back a little bit on like the operation of a

755
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Speaker 4: referee crew?

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Speaker 8: No, yeah, no question. I think that's one of the

757
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 8: common misconceptions about officials and referees and especially football, right

758
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 8: because it's one one game a week, and so they

759
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Speaker 8: a lot of them do have It's just the way

760
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Speaker 8: the sport evolves. I mean, you play one game a week,

761
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Speaker 8: you're going to have other jobs. It's not like these

762
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Speaker 8: officials make the kind of money that professional athletes make

763
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Speaker 8: for the most part, and so they do a lot

764
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Speaker 8: of them do have other jobs, but they're doing so

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Speaker 8: much during the week. There's communication. I mean it starts

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Speaker 8: the game ends on Sunday. They have immediately they can

767
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Speaker 8: go to a website and the video, you know, the

768
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Speaker 8: coaches copy is downloaded, the TV copy is downloaded. They

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Speaker 8: start reviewing Felm immediately they leave the game. They're on

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Speaker 8: the plane home wherever it is. And then there's conference

771
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Speaker 8: calls that during the week. Crew conference calls, there's position

772
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Speaker 8: conference calls, zoom calls. They're getting feedback from the officiating department.

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Speaker 8: They have former super former officials who are supervisors that

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Speaker 8: are evaluating them. They get feedback on that, they get grades,

775
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Speaker 8: and there's then there's training tapes that go out to

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Speaker 8: all of the staff, and then they're back on the road.

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Speaker 8: You know, usually they're they're in the city the day before,

778
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Speaker 8: they have a couple of hour pregame meeting. They're scouting

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Speaker 8: during the week the two teams. You know, if they're

780
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Speaker 8: going to work the Eagles Lions games, they're look at

781
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Speaker 8: their last couple of games and looking for tendencies. So

782
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Speaker 8: there's so much that goes into it. It really is

783
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Speaker 8: during the season of a full time job. And you know,

784
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Speaker 8: it's not just show up on Sunday, work the game,

785
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Speaker 8: and go home, but it's you know, and then there's

786
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Speaker 8: so many plays during a week, and I get it,

787
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 8: like there's thousands and thousands of plays and typically we

788
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: end up talking about a handful, so they do get

789
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 8: the majority of them right, but you know, the expectation

790
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Speaker 8: is to be perfect, and we know that's you know,

791
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Speaker 8: not reasonable, but that's that's kind of where we're at

792
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Speaker 8: with it.

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Speaker 5: If you could implement replay into the game today, and

794
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Speaker 5: a way to enhance the gameer make it better.

795
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Speaker 9: How would you do it, like, what would specifically be

796
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Speaker 9: the way.

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Speaker 8: You do it? Well, we did, you know with with

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Speaker 8: whether it was the XNFL and now the UFL. We

799
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Speaker 8: we implemented the coaches challenge, where the coach can challenge anything,

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Speaker 8: but we limited it right and so we said, hey,

801
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Speaker 8: you've got one challenge. We started with one and at

802
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Speaker 8: any point during the game, if you feel it's an

803
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Speaker 8: officiating mistake, you can challenge that. We didn't put any

804
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Speaker 8: limitations on that. And we wanted to try that and

805
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 8: that and and I think that's a good step. It

806
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Speaker 8: wasn't perfect because there were some situations where teams, you know,

807
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Speaker 8: a team through an interception and then they challenged that

808
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 8: their own left tackle had a false start prior to

809
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Speaker 8: the play, and it felt we felt like, okay, that

810
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: doesn't feel right where you can challenge that your own

811
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 8: team fouled to to get a better result. And so

812
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Speaker 8: there's there's there's kind of always unintended consequences. I do

813
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Speaker 8: think there's four or five plays in any football game

814
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Speaker 8: that really decide that game. And officials we talk about perfection,

815
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Speaker 8: they got to be perfect on those four or five plays.

816
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Speaker 8: So so rather than limit it to you know, a

817
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Speaker 8: subset of plays, open it up to everything, but keep it,

818
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Speaker 8: keep it where it's once or twice a game where,

819
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Speaker 8: you know, because I don't think there's anybody on that

820
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 8: crew or an officiating that would look at that call

821
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Speaker 8: at the end of the Lions Eagles game and say

822
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Speaker 8: that's the foul. So he had an opportunity to go

823
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Speaker 8: back and look at it and say, hey, pick it

824
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 8: up fourth down. I think people, I think that would

825
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 8: be a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you're saying make everything reviewable, just keep limit

827
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Speaker 2: the number of times you can use it.

828
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, limit limited numbers. And I don't know, it's maybe

829
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 8: it's not everything, but maybe it's almost everything to where

830
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 8: that play doesn't doesn't impact the outcome of the game.

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Speaker 2: So I did want to ask you. Dean Blandino joining

832
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Speaker 2: us here on Fox Sports Radio, Jackson Smith and Jigba

833
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: Final Drive for the Seahawks UH this weekend, and there

834
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Speaker 2: was a what looked like at the very least a

835
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: missed illegal contact the very next play. They end up

836
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Speaker 2: calling past interference on the RAMS and the Seahawks continue

837
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: to drive.

838
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Speaker 3: Obviously they missed the kick and they.

839
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Speaker 4: Lose the game.

840
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Speaker 2: But I'm looking at that going it seemed like a

841
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: makeup call. And I know we see this in the

842
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: NBA to where they'll miss something on one end of

843
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: the floor, you'll you'll come back the other, you know,

844
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: two plays later and they'll call something TICKI tac. Does

845
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: that exist in the NFL?

846
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: And I don't know that.

847
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: It's not like they're coached up to, hey, you know,

848
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: make up for it if you screw something up. But

849
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: is there the human nature? Hey, maybe I missed that one,

850
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: you know, without you know, without jeopardizing the entire game.

851
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: It would be only fair if I got this one right,

852
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: because it did feel like in that moment that that

853
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: was a little bit of a makeup call.

854
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't look humans like you said, human nature.

855
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 8: I can't sit here and say that never crossed an

856
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 8: official's mind. In the NFL, I think there's fewer opportunities,

857
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 8: like you mentioned the NBA. There's so many opportunities to

858
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 8: call a foul or not call a foul in the NBA,

859
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 8: compared to one side judge in the NFL. Who's the

860
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 8: deep wing official that may have you know, you think

861
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 8: about run pass, you know, Okay, so it's stay fifty fifty.

862
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 8: So now you're cut in half, and now you might

863
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 8: have maybe fifteen percent of the plays go to the

864
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 8: receiver on your side of the field, so you have

865
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 8: fewer opportunities to even call fouls. But I don't think

866
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 8: it's a thing really in the NFL. Might it have happened, Yeah,

867
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 8: I'm sure it's happened at times where maybe you kick

868
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 8: one and you go, well, I really I probably maybe

869
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 8: I'm a little a little more technical kind to kind

870
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 8: of make up for the one that I missed, But

871
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 8: I just don't see that happening. They're so focused on

872
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 8: their keys and what's happening and to think about, Okay,

873
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 8: I missed that one earlier. I'm going to there's just

874
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 8: too much going on to kind of think that way.

875
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 4: There's this whole thing with the whole safety aspect of it,

876
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: and the referees managing the way games are played to

877
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 4: keep it safer. And I'm gonna put that in air

878
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: quotes because my question would be. One thing that jumped

879
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 4: out at me this weekend watching games was the whole

880
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: when a ball is tipped right. I saw a couple

881
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: of dudes get obliterated when the ball got tipped, and

882
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: while it may not be considered targeting, it could be

883
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 4: considered hitting a defenseless receiver. And so to me, it's like, Okay,

884
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: if we're getting all of these fouls that are going

885
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 4: against the defenders, why stop where you're at?

886
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: Why?

887
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: Why would you still if it's all about safety and

888
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: safety components? Why are why are guys able to tee

889
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: off on a receiver if the ball is tipped? Why

890
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: is a why is a punter able to be made

891
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: contact with if if the ball is touched, like it

892
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 4: just seems to me you might as well just go

893
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 4: ahead and throw flags on all of that stuff.

894
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, the tip, I think you mentioned the punter.

895
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 8: The tip really tuip for receivers. We know it. It

896
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 8: negates past and the serence. Right, we see that a

897
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 8: lot because it's the whole deal with the timing of it. Right,

898
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 8: I'm a defensive player and I'm playing the ball and

899
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 8: gets tipped and now I make content act before the

900
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 8: ball gets there. Well, the tip affected that. But with

901
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 8: the with the safety element, that receiver, the intended receiver

902
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 8: tip or not, is still defenseless, So you can't go

903
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 8: to the headneck area. Now you do see, Yeah, the

904
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 8: ball's tipped, it's never going to get there, and the

905
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 8: guy just gets blown up. But if you don't hit

906
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 8: him in the head neck, it's legal. If it's not late,

907
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 8: if it's not away from the play, it's legal. So

908
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, if they'll go that far.

909
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 8: I think the theory with the punt is, you know,

910
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 8: guy makes a great play and blocks the kick and

911
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 8: now it just happens to catch a piece of the

912
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 8: punter and where you know he really was going for

913
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 8: the ball. So I think that was the theory behind that.

914
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 8: But again, you know, the safety rules are always evolving,

915
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 8: and we're going to see we're going to see more.

916
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 8: You know, something's going to come up and we're going

917
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 8: to say, okay, we got to add a rule. You know,

918
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 8: we talked about the hip drop, we talk about these

919
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 8: other things that are happening. So that's not going to

920
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 8: go away. And I wouldn't be surprised because we've see

921
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 8: more safety rules come online the next couple of years.

922
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 9: Hey, Dean, last one for me.

923
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: You know, have you ever talked of those people who

924
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 5: they tend to get a lot of saliva and build

925
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 5: up and all that stuff, and they kind of spit

926
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 5: when they talk, or maybe they get overly energetic or

927
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 5: excited and then they start spraying you a little bit.

928
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 5: How are you guys coaching up those officials to differentiate

929
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 5: the guy who's a spray as opposed to a guy

930
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: who's spitting on someone.

931
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 8: Well, I think you get to ask them in they're

932
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 8: usually they're pretty straight, you know, fourth right about it?

933
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 8: And then did you spit on him? And they say no, okay, fine,

934
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 8: he didn't spit on him, And then you know when

935
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 8: the video shows up and it's I mean that bit

936
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 8: was worse than the Jalen Carter spit from the from

937
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 8: week one, right, you know, I don't think that one

938
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 8: was No official was in you know, obviously with Jalen

939
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 8: Carter in the in the opening game, there was an

940
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 8: official right there. There was no official with those two

941
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 8: guys close enough to see it. And then even on

942
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 8: the broadcast, the video wasn't clear cut. I think had

943
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 8: that been because they threw flags the officials, then then

944
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 8: the people in New York could look at that and

945
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 8: if there's something else that that should result in the disqualification.

946
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 8: But the video just wasn't clear cut till we saw

947
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 8: that whatever that camera angle was after the fact.

948
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: Let me ask you on the Jalen Carter.

949
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: Basically, they assessed him a one game suspension, but they

950
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: counted it as that game that he was kicked out

951
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: of because it was the first play of the game.

952
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: So at what point in the game does it count

953
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: as a game?

954
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

955
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: Like, if Jayleen done that in the second quarter, does

956
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: that count as three quarters of a game? And he's

957
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: only going to miss, you know, the first quarter of

958
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 2: the game?

959
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: Two?

960
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: Like, how does that work?

961
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 8: I think it's literally it would have to be. I

962
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 8: don't there's no there's nothing in black and white that

963
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 8: says it's with Jalen. It was easy because he did

964
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 8: miss the entire game. I think if that's in the

965
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 8: fourth quarter, then there's a better chance that he's going

966
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 8: to get suspended for a full game. They would never suspend.

967
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 8: They don't suspend for a quarter. It's not it's not

968
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 8: like that, you know, they probably I would say, just

969
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 8: wallpark it first quarter. They might they might say, okay,

970
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 8: you missed every three and a half quarters. But I

971
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 8: think now we've got we've got a precedent now that

972
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 8: if you spit on somebody, you're gonna lose a game,

973
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 8: you know, And then and then.

974
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: We'll see the whole thing's ridiculous.

975
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 4: Like's just spin on, guys. I got one more question

976
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: for you, Dan the run by the tight End in Pittsburgh,

977
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: Darnell Washington, he comes out, he he jabs, he jabs

978
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: to do with the stiff arm. I mean, it was

979
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 4: like you could call it a punch to the face.

980
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: He sat him down. Uh, then he lowers his head,

981
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: which was clearly should be considered a targeting the guy

982
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: trying not to be targeting him and his big ass.

983
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 4: He misses him, and and then he puts his head

984
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: down again. And it looks like another blatant targeting that

985
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: takes place at the end of the right. I mean

986
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: he targeted twice in the run. I just at what

987
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: point do we say, you know, you gotta let these

988
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 4: guys tackle, like all this hip dropping, Like if it's

989
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 4: an egregious hip drop, a guy grabs you by your

990
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 4: horse collar, drops his butt on the back of your legs.

991
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: I get that, but at some point we do have

992
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 4: to take into consideration bigger, stronger, faster. How are you

993
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: supposed to be Like, all right, you're doing it with

994
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 4: these big ass quarterbacks and they get away with it.

995
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: But once you get into ball carriers, you know, guys

996
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: that are catching the ball, I mean, will there will

997
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: there ever be a real attention to the detail of

998
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 4: what these offensive guys are doing when they're running the ball.

999
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it's it's a great point. It's something

1000
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 8: that we've we've discussed that length and the THEORYO is

1001
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 8: was the ball carrier was was the prioritying himself.

1002
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: And he's allowed to protect himself.

1003
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the defenders are trying to get our trying

1004
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 8: most of the time them ninety eight percent of the

1005
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 8: time the defenders initiating the contact. But we see it

1006
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 8: and like the stiff arm, Yeah you can stiff farm,

1007
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 8: but you can't wind up and with a forcible blow

1008
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 8: to the headneck or really anywhere, you can't lower the

1009
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 8: head and initiate contact with the helmet. They do. They

1010
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 8: get rarely gets called used to helmet on the on

1011
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 8: the ball carrier. They do fine. And want I know,

1012
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 8: you know the kid from the Giants Scatteraboo, he's out now,

1013
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 8: but he I think he got fined two or three

1014
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 8: times his first couple of games for lower on his

1015
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 8: head and initiating contact with the helmet.

1016
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 7: So it is.

1017
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 8: It is a hard one, especially East, because now it

1018
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 8: feels like I watch games and I feel like I

1019
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 8: see seventeen hip drop tackles. I'm like, and they're not

1020
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 8: They're not done maliciously. It's just that's the mechanics of

1021
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 8: the body trying to get this bigger guy on the ground.

1022
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 8: It just happens. And so I think defense is at

1023
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 8: a disadvantage. I don't think that's going to change, but

1024
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 8: it's just one of those things we've got to kind

1025
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 8: of work through at this point.

1026
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: Dean always appreciate it. Thanks so much. We do it

1027
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: again next week. All right, guys, there he is of

1028
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: a great Dean Blandino. Get him on x at Dean

1029
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: Blandino