Speaker 1: This week, the Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Tour continues in Joliet,
Speaker 1: Illinois and Columbus, Ohio. I will also be performing alongside
Speaker 1: Jay Leno and Arsenio Hall as parts of The Kings
Speaker 1: of Late Night Dates and Pittsburgh, PA and Cincinnati, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Tickets available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour.
Speaker 1: My name is Craig Ferguson. This podcast is called Joy.
Speaker 1: It's not Rocket science. I talk to people I like
Speaker 1: about their pursuit of happiness. Here's Josh Robert Thompson, a
Speaker 1: comedic genius who, amongst other things, was the voice and
Speaker 1: personality behind Jeff Peterson, the greatest sidekick in late night
Speaker 1: television history.
Speaker 2: Enjoy. Yeah, I feel all right? Oh yeah, I feel good.
Speaker 2: See now here's it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You put the headphones on, but you leave it off
Speaker 1: one you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that a real thing? Or is that just to
Speaker 1: mess with people that don't do voice all the time?
Speaker 2: I think you do it. Yeah. It freaks me out
Speaker 2: when it feels like I'm trapped. If I got both
Speaker 2: ears covered? What do you if you get sinus infection?
Speaker 2: Do you get closer? Phobic. It can't work, man, I
Speaker 2: get lost. Do that.
Speaker 1: Look I seriously though, because you're like a top voiceover guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a top voice. You are
Speaker 1: a top voiceover guy. You're around, You're the voice. Like,
Speaker 1: if I ever need a voiceover, I like, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even call anyone else.
Speaker 2: I don't like go to pet Boys, You go to Pepe.
Speaker 2: I got guys milling around out in front of pet Boys.
Speaker 2: You can get a pretty cheap voiceover. I think in
Speaker 2: front of Home Depot there are guys waiting in trucks.
Speaker 2: Those guys are great. Wow, some great voice.
Speaker 1: That's the way I think. I mean, I want to
Speaker 1: go into things in a minute. But just as we're
Speaker 1: talking about voiceover, do you remember that thing that routine
Speaker 1: Chris Rock the Oscars when he was mean about voiceovers.
Speaker 2: Did you oh about when he said all you gotta
Speaker 2: do is go in and talk like yourself. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's it's a little that's listen, that's kind of
Speaker 2: the way it's going. Now.
Speaker 1: You know all the celebrities, celebrity train your dragon guys.
Speaker 2: That ahole.
Speaker 1: He just walked a little bit about it would make
Speaker 1: Myers stud Shrek. I was like, he's not even Scottish,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well waitnut, he's not even an uber either.
Speaker 2: He must have been deeply hurt by that could have
Speaker 2: been yours man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Craig Ferguson what you can call it, Shadow Stevens
Speaker 1: is another voice Shadow Steven legendary.
Speaker 2: He's done this podcast, has he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He talked about the time when he was psychotic with cocaine. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he was in his cabin and topanga with shotguns,
Speaker 1: listening to imaginary people trying to get in through the door.
Speaker 2: Is that a thing you've done because I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't see that. Well I did do that, only I
Speaker 2: did it live on various streaming platforms about twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: You kind of went, yeah, yeah, you did do a
Speaker 1: little bit. What happened there? You know you were you
Speaker 1: were like spilling your guts in audio form? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: and video as well. Oh really yeah, I would either
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 2: A good I'm glad they're gone, but I'm sure someone
Speaker 2: will find them to share them with you. Oh. I was, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I was was. I became pretty angry man
Speaker 2: after the after the show ended, I didn't know what.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what I was supposed to do next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, you know, I understand that because
Speaker 1: it's it's terrifying when a job like that.
Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared. I didn't know what. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you do these things? How does I was on
Speaker 2: the show for probably eight years, is almost the entire run.
Speaker 1: Well, to my mind, you made the show. It was
Speaker 1: like the show I had me in it. And then
Speaker 1: when you turned up and brought not just the role Ball,
Speaker 1: I mean like Jeff was kind of like the when
Speaker 1: you made that thing come alive. Yeah, made Jeff go.
Speaker 1: And I think of you as Jeff.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think as Jeff being a separate entity. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you are. You're the guy who plays Jeff.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, when that happened, that to me, that's
Speaker 1: when the show became the show. It's nice to say
Speaker 1: that's the truth. And but before that, you were doing Robert.
Speaker 2: It started with Schwarzenegger, right, Craig, how are you check
Speaker 2: in with me at the Capitol And they put these
Speaker 2: this appliance on my face to make me kind of
Speaker 2: look like Arnold. I would do like two hours of makeup,
Speaker 2: completely unnecessary makeup for like a five minute sketch that
Speaker 2: we would do. They put me in a muscle suit,
Speaker 2: and I know it.
Speaker 1: Was there was at let's check in with Arnold because
Speaker 1: he was the governor at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And it was this guy, Trent Coottner.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Trent. He was a great makeup artist,
Speaker 2: but he was color blind, okay, And he told me
Speaker 2: in the middle of the told me in the middle
Speaker 2: of the makeup. It's like, I hope this is right, right,
Speaker 2: I'm colorblind, But that's how we you know. It was
Speaker 2: Joe Strazzulo, one of the writers from your show I
Speaker 2: Loved You, a great writer who found me on Public
Speaker 2: Access TV. I was doing my Preacher character, that's right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was getting high and watching TV and so
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: A wild write all that because when you started, I
Speaker 1: said you should do stand up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the first time you did stand up was
Speaker 1: opening for me at Radio City Music.
Speaker 2: That was my fourth gig.
Speaker 1: That's right, you said, Josh, you do stand up right again?
Speaker 2: I do the voice.
Speaker 1: I think you can do it pretty much. I think
Speaker 1: you can do a pretty Josh, she could do stand
Speaker 1: up right? Sure I can't. Yeah, you bet I can,
Speaker 1: mister Ferguson, no problem. Where do we start? And the
Speaker 1: first gig was what the Venetian in Vegas?
Speaker 2: That was your first gig. That's a hard gig. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Beautiful room, man, Yeah, it's a beautiful room, and it's
Speaker 1: a great place to play. But the Vegas, yeah, is
Speaker 1: a difficult People think Vegas is easy.
Speaker 2: It's actually one of the worst places to play. It
Speaker 2: is because a lot of the people that are there
Speaker 2: don't really want to be there. That you're just that's
Speaker 2: just part of the Oh you can eat what's.
Speaker 4: Going on there? Is? What show?
Speaker 2: Let's go see that? I've never seen it? Who's there?
Speaker 4: A gay from How to Train Your Dragon? I like
Speaker 4: his worky, Yeah, I enjoy his voice work. He wasn't
Speaker 4: Shrek disappointingly. He talks funny. Yeah, My wife and I
Speaker 4: love his comedy.
Speaker 1: So listen, let's talk about Cleveland, Josh. Yeah, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Let's talk a little bit about Cleveland, Josh. Because
Speaker 1: when we're talking about you know how you got a
Speaker 1: little angry after the show. Yeah, man, So that didn't start.
Speaker 1: Then that started back when you were when you were
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, when that's usually how it started. It starts
Speaker 1: with the usually starts to talk to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And I've noticed the common denominator. Yeah, but if you're angry,
Speaker 1: it's usually because you're in Cleveland. That's usually why I've
Speaker 1: been there angry a couple of times, you see. So,
Speaker 1: were you have the vintage growing up watching the Drew
Speaker 1: carry Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, watched the Drew Cary I remember seeing Drew Carey
Speaker 2: do his first i think his first TV stand up
Speaker 2: on the Tonight Show. Tonight Show.
Speaker 1: That's right, and you everybody, when you were a kid,
Speaker 1: you knew he was a Cleveland.
Speaker 2: And it was sitting there in the living room watching
Speaker 2: that on TV, thinking, how how can I get in
Speaker 2: the How can I get there? How can I So
Speaker 2: that that was that was one of the ways. That
Speaker 2: was one of the things that started you off. So
Speaker 2: he was sort of a little Jackie Robinson for you
Speaker 2: a little bit, yeah kind of yeah, all right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So how did it go with me? And how did
Speaker 2: were you in theater? Were a lot of theater? I
Speaker 2: was at the Cleveland Playhouse, I mean, you know, legendary
Speaker 2: theater company in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: You know, why did you get into that? Because you're like,
Speaker 1: you're from a You're a blue collar kid, right.
Speaker 2: No, I mean my mom's an artist, painter. Oh you know,
Speaker 2: she's a she went to art school, very artistic background.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't. I didn't know that. And my my
Speaker 2: biological father, whom I never met, was also an incredible painter.
Speaker 2: You know, I've I've since seen photographs of his art
Speaker 2: shows and is he no longer was no longer with us.
Speaker 2: He passed away. He passed away in nineteen ninety from AIDS.
Speaker 2: You know he was he was gay. Wow, that was
Speaker 2: a whole part of my life that I discovered, you know,
Speaker 2: later on after he passed, my mother told me everything
Speaker 2: about my father. So he was a gay man. But
Speaker 2: he left and moved to San Francisco. He moved to
Speaker 2: the Bay Area and became a very prominent artist in
Speaker 2: the Bay Area. And seeing these photos of his art
Speaker 2: shows and seeing him standing next to his paintings, it
Speaker 2: was mind blowing. But my favorite photo of him because
Speaker 2: he had a tough childhood, you know, right, you got
Speaker 2: to imagine growing up in his time and being gay,
Speaker 2: even in nineteen ninety. When my mother told me that information,
Speaker 2: I was going to Catholic school and I'm living in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: I'm in the Midwest. I first thought was, am I
Speaker 2: gay is going to be? You know? Is there going
Speaker 2: to be something wrong with me? You know, it was
Speaker 2: it was not talked about, you know. But there's a
Speaker 2: photo of him that I have. That side of the
Speaker 2: family has since given me a lot of photos of him,
Speaker 2: and there's a great photo of him at I think
Speaker 2: Hamburger Mary's in San Francisco, maybe the original Hamburger Mary's,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he's gathered with all of his friends.
Speaker 2: There's all these guys and I assume his his boyfriend
Speaker 2: or partner with him, and he looks so happy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a fucking great photo because he finally,
Speaker 2: after all the pain that he went through, you know,
Speaker 2: he finally found his people. That's a hard journey. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he died of aates diabates. Yeah. God, I mean,
Speaker 2: people forget that. I mean that shit just went. It
Speaker 2: was so terrifying. Forest Fire, Yeah, I remember when the
Speaker 2: new one Rock Hudson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that when Freddy Mercury and that Freddy
Speaker 1: and then it was like what is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is the people just fucking I remember when I
Speaker 1: was twenty one, I was in New York and I
Speaker 1: danced with the American Mordern danced there because I thought
Speaker 1: maybe a dancer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1: It was like it was me and like twenty five
Speaker 1: game man, which I was fantastic because I was from Scotland.
Speaker 1: I was twenty one, I was cute and I was
Speaker 1: straight and married to at the time, to we Scottish girl,
Speaker 1: so they kind of adopted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I went back four years later, like half,
Speaker 2: maybe more than a.
Speaker 1: Half of the guys were gone, They're gone, yeah crazy,
Speaker 1: and you were out there hello, yeah go. Actually it
Speaker 1: was it was contemporary modern dance. Oh so, so just
Speaker 1: there was a lot of pretending there was a window.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a window.
Speaker 2: There was from the ground. Wasn't a rope you know,
Speaker 2: Oh oh there's a flower. I'm a tree. I'm a tree. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Don't cut me, don't cut.
Speaker 1: Me, don't cut me, cut me. Oh you've cut me?
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Call me.
Speaker 1: So, so you grew up in Cleveland, So did you
Speaker 1: have a stepdad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my step dad. My stepdad is my dad? Rights
Speaker 2: who you think of? Yeah, because he was there, proud.
Speaker 2: He came into the picture around the time I was
Speaker 2: I want to say, three or four, right, And then
Speaker 2: they got married when I was like five years old.
Speaker 2: Were you at the wedding? I was, that's cool, a
Speaker 2: little guy, little tuxedo. And then I took I took
Speaker 2: his last name Thompson, right, probably around eighty five eighty six.
Speaker 2: We went down to the courthouse and you know, he
Speaker 2: adopted me basically. That's that's and I remember, that's quite
Speaker 2: a lovely story. Yeah, I remember crying. I remember I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't quite understand what it meant, right because I
Speaker 2: was very young. But I remember crying in front of
Speaker 2: the courthouse because I now had a new name, like
Speaker 2: and I had a real father, and it was, you know,
Speaker 2: became a real boy. I became a real boy. I
Speaker 2: was Wooden prior to that. Yeah, I understand what happened
Speaker 2: was I was a wood boy. I was by this
Speaker 2: this Italian gentleman, Tom Hanks. Yeah you were Tom. I'm
Speaker 2: Trampellal So wait, thank you? So wait though, is he
Speaker 2: still around your is? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay. So and your mom's still a right, Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: very lucky. That's great. Yeah, we are. Yeah, my mom,
Speaker 2: I mean they've since divorced. My mom's been remarried now
Speaker 2: for close to fifteen years. They both live here. You know,
Speaker 2: we all moved here to Los Angeles. Yeah, in like
Speaker 2: ninety five from Cleveland. Why did you move from Cleveland? Well,
Speaker 2: it was very angry. We had to get away from
Speaker 2: the anger in the Cleveland still hometime your hometown. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I go back and visit, you know, I visit my
Speaker 2: my best well, my best friend, Matt Lodi passed away
Speaker 2: bout a year and a half ago. Thanks by the way,
Speaker 2: you we sort of talked about doing a little fundraiser.
Speaker 2: Went really well, and he was just the nicest guy
Speaker 2: in the world. But his family I still stay in
Speaker 2: touch with, and a lot of my family still live
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. You know.
Speaker 1: So you come out here and what you want it
Speaker 1: to be? Do you you wanted to just be an actor?
Speaker 1: You want to be I want to be a director.
Speaker 2: Okay. I started out making movies. I started out making
Speaker 2: you know, monster movies. In my backyard. I still think
Speaker 2: of that's that's still something that you're going to do
Speaker 2: right a horror movie, there's no question. Yeah, writing and
Speaker 2: directing is what I did when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: In fact, my mom was my camera person for my
Speaker 2: horror movies, my monster movies. That's kind of great.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I took her to see The Fableman's Last November and
Speaker 2: we were both just, you know, weeping through the entire
Speaker 2: movie because that was like she kept turning to me, go, this,
Speaker 2: this is you, this is us, I said, remember you
Speaker 2: know this she used to you know, she'd she'd hold
Speaker 2: the camera and like it'd be a chase scene in
Speaker 2: one of my movies, and she'd be running with the
Speaker 2: camera and her doctor Shull's flip flops can be heard
Speaker 2: in the background and the camera is going like this.
Speaker 2: But God bless her, but she but she took a
Speaker 2: real interest in my creative endeavors. She fostered that.
Speaker 1: All right, So when did the Because I always think
Speaker 1: people who do voices the way you do voices that.
Speaker 2: Kind of uncanny, like, like you can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a musician's skill. I think that
Speaker 1: that's the ear of a musician. That do you think
Speaker 1: that's right? I think that's I think that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think for me it was spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time alone. I'm an only child, right, so
Speaker 1: growing up in Cleveland, an only child who doesn't like sports,
Speaker 1: you kind of don't have many other options, and you
Speaker 1: get and you have that kind of thing of I'm
Speaker 1: adopted and I might be gay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and being a latch key kid, which was you
Speaker 2: know you basically you come home from school and your
Speaker 2: parents aren't home from work yet. Yeah. And I had
Speaker 2: an actual skeleton key because the house we lived in
Speaker 2: was probably built in like nineteen oh one. It was
Speaker 2: a two story house and we lived upstairs in in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and downstairs was the landlord. This this sweet old woman
Speaker 2: named Missus van Duser.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good horror movie right here,
Speaker 1: Missus von but we have she's sweet. But then you
Speaker 1: start smelling cadavers. That's right, right, got it?
Speaker 2: Which I were you? This is true? Did you? I
Speaker 2: feel like you?
Speaker 1: And then you guys moved to San Francisco. That's right,
Speaker 1: to get to try and find your dad, who's sadly
Speaker 1: you know, that's the sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the cadavers follow you, that's they follow me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Cadavers Across America.
Speaker 2: That's the name of the that's the name of the movie.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad it's not about cadavers across America.
Speaker 5: Shadow the Night on ABC Cadavers Josh Robert Thompson was
Speaker 5: a boy who lived in Cleveland and had a skeleton key.
Speaker 2: That's the weird thing.
Speaker 1: You had a skeleton key, and then because the skeleton
Speaker 1: blooms large in your future.
Speaker 2: That's true. Well, I was a wooden boy, then I
Speaker 2: became a real boy. Then I became a skeleton, and
Speaker 2: you became a skeleton.
Speaker 1: The skeleton thing is very interesting for those people who
Speaker 1: don't know, which I don't know. There's not many, but
Speaker 1: there are some. Yeah, yeah, the people who don't know that.
Speaker 1: When I talked to grant Emahara God Rest Rest in Peace,
Speaker 1: who is the robot builder on the MythBusters, and we
Speaker 1: were it came from. Actually, even before that, I had
Speaker 1: watched ghost Rider. M h Na Nicholas Cake and I
Speaker 1: had watched ghost Rider. I remember talking about the show
Speaker 1: the next day saying that is American entertainment. A skeleton
Speaker 1: who rides a motorcycle who's on fire. If you can
Speaker 1: make a better movie than that I don't think you can.
Speaker 2: So that's where it started. That's where it started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fact, until Top Gun Maverick, there was
Speaker 1: no better movie than Ghost Rider in my opinion's true.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm a ghost, I'm on a bike,
Speaker 2: and I'm on fire. I'm on fire.
Speaker 1: But the then and I was talking about it, great
Speaker 1: it was. And then Joe the Prop remember Joe the
Speaker 1: Props guy, Joe Props, Joe Prop. Joe perhaps Joe Props
Speaker 1: put a skeleton and he puts some like colored paper.
Speaker 2: That was it. Yep, And I went, oh, that's great.
Speaker 1: And then I said that and the idea of Jeff
Speaker 1: Peterson the robot skeleton sidekick kind of came from that.
Speaker 2: But then there was a Robots Skelton Army. Wasn't there
Speaker 2: a story that you told?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. I used to annoy mylogue without myla
Speaker 1: that was it.
Speaker 2: He was little at.
Speaker 1: The time, and I said I was gonna start a
Speaker 1: robot skeleton army and take over the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he was very aggurate, you know, a little
Speaker 2: kids guy. No, you can't do that, that happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. So it was kind
Speaker 2: of like Terminator almost because all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Because the Twitter made the rule, Grant made the robot.
Speaker 2: Grand made the animated robot. But you guys had a
Speaker 2: bet though, before that happened, before Jeff became real and materialized,
Speaker 2: there was some bet between the two of you that
Speaker 2: you would get Grant followers. That's right, he did.
Speaker 1: You can if you get me one hundred thousand Twitter follows,
Speaker 1: I'll build you a rule.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I think it took like an hour, right, Twitter was
Speaker 1: Twitter was a different place. It was, man, Remember when
Speaker 1: Twitter was like people were funny, creative and sweet and
Speaker 1: wanted to be friends with each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you go on it,
Speaker 2: I don't, not nearly as much as I ever did before. No,
Speaker 2: it's just people are so many. Yeah, it's mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't need it. Why are you so mean? I
Speaker 2: became sort of ensnared in that for a while, speaking
Speaker 2: of that anger, you know. Yeah, the the thing about
Speaker 2: Twitter and the platforms that I was live streaming on
Speaker 2: is it was this. It was like having a bunch
Speaker 2: of enablers in the palm of your hand, right, instant enablers, Right,
Speaker 2: you just whatever problem you have, you will have a
Speaker 2: group of people that will agree with you and always
Speaker 2: be on your side, even if you're the most fucked
Speaker 2: up person. That's what I kind of got involved with
Speaker 2: for a little while because I had a low opinion
Speaker 2: of myself and I felt this is what I deserve.
Speaker 1: And you know, the weird thing was, I think you
Speaker 1: always kind of suffered from that bit because I remember
Speaker 1: when we started messing around, the first thing we started
Speaker 1: doing with a Rulebop with Jeff Pearson, it was pre recorded.
Speaker 2: Bet that's right.
Speaker 1: You would say, you know, we prerecorded you going you're
Speaker 1: the man Craig that Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You're the man in your pants rolls. That was Tom Straw,
Speaker 2: by the way, right, phrases right, and he Tom's a
Speaker 2: really good writer and he's a fabulous guy.
Speaker 1: And he was part of the creation of the creative
Speaker 1: team put together Piers Yep, he was very much involved
Speaker 1: in it, and he would fire off the phrases yep.
Speaker 1: They would interject when I was talking. He would just
Speaker 1: fire the men. And then when we started Jeff went
Speaker 1: live became santient.
Speaker 2: Was on the trip to Vegas, right. Why what happened
Speaker 2: was we were shooting Vegas. We were doing a really
Speaker 2: funny parody of the Hangover. That's where you and Jeff
Speaker 2: are driving back from Vegas in like a fifty red
Speaker 2: fifty seven Chevy. That's right, Yeah, trying to remember what
Speaker 2: the hell happened. Jeff is wearing he's dressed like a bride,
Speaker 2: and you got married. I married Jeff Peterson the Skeleton.
Speaker 2: And I remember there was a part where we were
Speaker 2: on the Vegas Strip in this fifty seven Chevy. What
Speaker 2: do you call like a camera truck, Yeah, the low loader, right,
Speaker 2: you know, it's always traffic. Yeah, And we were sitting
Speaker 2: there and all these people started coming over to the
Speaker 2: car to talk to you, which is fine. They're all
Speaker 2: very nice people. But it was a really long day
Speaker 2: and I remember I had it. So I'm I'm lying
Speaker 2: in the back of the fifty seven Chevy. I have
Speaker 2: to lie down so no one can see me. I'm
Speaker 2: puppeteering Jeff for the first time. I'm puppeteering. That's right,
Speaker 2: because it's not just the voice.
Speaker 1: You were operating, the eye, everything mouth and right, and
Speaker 1: the arm and right, and I so.
Speaker 2: I'm crouched like you know, I'm lying like this and
Speaker 2: I got the thing and I got the headset, and
Speaker 2: then I have a blanket on top of me, and
Speaker 2: sitting on me. Sitting on me was Brad Lace, who
Speaker 2: was the Little Purse, a little great actor who was
Speaker 2: playing the lepreca He was always on the show. He
Speaker 2: was dressed as a Leprechaun. Yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 2: we can, but you know, I mean it was who's
Speaker 2: gonna play it? Brad put on a leprecha on outfit.
Speaker 2: So but I remember hearing you in the earpiece starting
Speaker 2: to get you know, it's irritated. Perhaps you had a
Speaker 2: lapel Mike, you put it up to your mouth and
Speaker 2: you said, guess the fuck out of here, right now,
Speaker 2: get us hold the fuck out of here.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: We're done, man, We're done. Goal And I said, and
Speaker 2: I don't I can hear everyone in the truck going,
Speaker 2: all right, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, get those cars out of there.
Speaker 2: And I started as Jeff, I turned Chef's head to
Speaker 2: you and I said something like, oh is the late
Speaker 2: night talk show was getting tired? Did he need a nab?
Speaker 2: And that's what I remember. Started fucking dying laugh it's
Speaker 2: always the like your pirate to make me laugh is unmatched.
Speaker 2: No one can make me laugh like you. That's what
Speaker 2: brings me joy. By the way, it's one of the
Speaker 2: things I wanted to say, was making you laugh was
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things because what Jeff Peterson represented,
Speaker 2: I think was your subconscious It was it was what
Speaker 2: you were actually thinking about the show. And I could
Speaker 2: say it because it wasn't me.
Speaker 1: It was this, it was it was Yeah, the idea
Speaker 1: that puppets get away with stuff, that's true.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Also what happened is that I liked that Jeff was
Speaker 1: emblematic of my creative failure on it. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, because I wanted to put a sidekick in.
Speaker 1: It was a parody of sidekick because it was a
Speaker 1: robot that would do whatever I wanted, and then when
Speaker 1: you gave him life, it became, to my mind still
Speaker 1: the best sidekick in the history of late night television.
Speaker 1: Really nice hands done and completely negated my parody and
Speaker 1: my kind of puffy, kind of whiny stomp against the
Speaker 1: genre and created and did a bear which I love.
Speaker 2: That I got it wrong. Well, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I ever you know, properly thanked you for letting me
Speaker 2: be a part of that. I mean for asking me
Speaker 2: to be that character. I think, thank you for that. Well,
Speaker 2: you welcome it. Offhand. One day you said, because you
Speaker 2: were doing the voice originally, very briefly, it was like
Speaker 2: a dollar. You are the man and you and you
Speaker 2: know this about yourself. You notoriously got very tired of
Speaker 2: all those machines and things. Sound machine, shocking, it's too much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm shocking with We're done with this. You had a
Speaker 2: sound machine that made like a bull here right now. Yes,
Speaker 2: find another way, find another way. That's my favorite phrase.
Speaker 2: My two favorite phrases of yours are and I'll never
Speaker 2: forget these. Hey, if you're earlier on time, if you're
Speaker 2: on time, you're late, And find another way another way.
Speaker 1: That was when Jeff Arnold was rolling with us and
Speaker 1: you had to sinus infection and Jeff.
Speaker 2: Ke going harm and I said to him, what the
Speaker 2: what the hell you do it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: He said, I'm clearing my sinuses. Yeah, And I said,
Speaker 1: find another way?
Speaker 2: Right before a show. Maybe I don't know where. We
Speaker 2: were Vancouver and we were in Canada. You were trying
Speaker 2: to get just catch some quicksease, find another way man.
Speaker 2: You said it from the other room.
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Speaker 2: Come see me live or don't.
Speaker 1: The thing is though that when Jeff began, right, So
Speaker 1: Jeff is is now you're operating the puppet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're you had a screen right or were
Speaker 2: you just looking at me? Both? So you're behind the bleachers,
Speaker 2: you've got a screen looking at it and stand. I
Speaker 2: stood the whole time, and I was on one side
Speaker 2: of the bleachers where the audience sat, you know, and
Speaker 2: you had how did you operate it? Like an iPad
Speaker 2: or like it was remote controls? Actually a remote control unit.
Speaker 2: Grant showed me how to use the whole thing. I
Speaker 2: could move the one arm, swivel, the head blank, the
Speaker 2: eyes make them and by the way, it wasn't voice activated.
Speaker 2: The mouth the only way the mouth moved. You'll enjoy this, ladies.
Speaker 2: If I press this little button there was a little switch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and every time I talk, I had to do this.
Speaker 2: Do you still do that? I do it even now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you're talking, you move your fingers like
Speaker 1: that when you're having sex with your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I love what's going on in your pants? Can we
Speaker 2: do in your pants tonight? Come on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Yeah, there was a you know. But
Speaker 2: despite all that, I had this real chip on my show,
Speaker 2: and it was a chip on my shoulder, but I
Speaker 2: had this I wanted to come out from behind the wall.
Speaker 2: I was so focused, I think, on people knowing that
Speaker 2: it was me back there. I understand that. You know.
Speaker 1: I felt very much that feeling ten years earlier when
Speaker 1: I was on the Drew carry Show. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: felt exactly the same with your describement. I felt when
Speaker 1: I was doing mister Wick, right, and I totally understand
Speaker 1: it totally related.
Speaker 2: To even because all right, because you're mister Wick and
Speaker 2: you're doing this British doing the English acting, and you're
Speaker 2: someone else, and I'm being someone else and I'm not
Speaker 2: getting to do what I think is funny. I have
Speaker 2: to do you, you know right, funny right?
Speaker 1: I felt, I know exactly what you mean, and I
Speaker 1: had a lot of anger about it as well.
Speaker 2: It's and it's hard to put it because and.
Speaker 1: The one hand, you're grateful for the work, right absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you're working in an environment where you get to
Speaker 1: shine creative. Yeah, I mean I got to do that
Speaker 1: with Drew. You really going to do it with Jack?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you created See that's why I think.
Speaker 1: I remember there were nights when I would talk to
Speaker 1: the producers after the show and I would say, I
Speaker 1: hope we're paying this guy and I goddamn genius, and
Speaker 1: they would.
Speaker 2: Say, oh, yeah, we're paying it. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they were paying. Yeah, but it's okay toward the Edinburg,
Speaker 2: you know, for a while. Yeah, he'll be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all right, Craig. This every every night.
Speaker 6: Every night, producers will walk by me and go, so listen,
Speaker 6: Craig is in a terrible mood. The audience has been
Speaker 6: waiting outside for four hours in the sun. So it's
Speaker 6: all on. You have a good show.
Speaker 2: And then right away.
Speaker 5: But Craig, it's the Late Light Show brought to you
Speaker 5: by Anison, And I'm like, oh god, you.
Speaker 2: Know it was really uh what is it? Baptism by fire? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it did incorporate everything up to that point that
Speaker 2: I loved because I had been doing public Access TV
Speaker 2: for almost ten years before that, and Jim Henson was
Speaker 2: an idol of mine. Johnny Carson Show. I used to
Speaker 2: do the Johnny Carson Show in my basement in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I used to build I built the set out of
Speaker 2: cardboard boxes. That's very right, exactly, except I had real guests.
Speaker 2: My little cousins would be my guests, right. And I
Speaker 2: put a bald skull cap on and I used Barbersol
Speaker 2: white Barbasol shaving cream to make the hair. God d
Speaker 2: any of these exists? Oh I have it all? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I really quite like it's really I'd
Speaker 2: love to show you. My first guest is my cousin Bobby.
Speaker 2: This is interesting, now you you didn't eat your lunch
Speaker 2: yesterday and tell me about that, you know, And but
Speaker 2: it incorporated everything. It was late my love of late
Speaker 2: night TV and puppets. I mean, you couldn't ask for
Speaker 2: a better job.
Speaker 1: Descript So the frustration must have been pretty intense then,
Speaker 1: because you're getting to do all of the stuff creative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no one's as no one knows it's you
Speaker 2: that And I think at the time when I was
Speaker 2: doing the show, all through my time on the Late
Speaker 2: Late Show, I was involved in a series of relationships.
Speaker 1: I do remember that there was some scuttle about has
Speaker 1: Joshi he.
Speaker 2: Broke up or they're back together? That's right? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And I got to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Here's the truth.
Speaker 1: When I knew you were in emotional pain because I
Speaker 1: knew you were having good for some breakouts, I would
Speaker 1: say to Michael the producer, he's having a really hard
Speaker 1: time with the girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's gonna be really fucking funny today. End.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, when you were angry and upset, yeah, hilarious,
Speaker 1: right right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Shut up, man, what the house wrong with you? Know
Speaker 2: what I was? I bid you adieu and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my god. It used to make me laugh
Speaker 2: so much. You're right, and that's why. And that's funny
Speaker 2: because you did know and there were a lot of
Speaker 2: times when Jeff was legitimately in a bad mood and
Speaker 2: it was hilarious coming through this robot.
Speaker 1: So you're channeling this this existential rage difficulty coming through
Speaker 1: the post.
Speaker 2: But do you see how brilliant? Yeah? I mean, you
Speaker 2: have to That's why I think.
Speaker 1: Is important for me, and I talked about that with
Speaker 1: you know, with people I work with now, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't think Joshie understands what he did. I don't
Speaker 1: you really did something that is unique to my mind
Speaker 1: that you took. You were writing on the hoof, you
Speaker 1: were like this all improvised that I don't think people
Speaker 1: really understand it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the I think again, and it's I'm
Speaker 2: so glad you're bringing this up because aside from me
Speaker 2: not being known, like people didn't know it was me
Speaker 2: back there, I think it was that it was it
Speaker 2: was all improvised and people didn't know that. But what
Speaker 2: I realized only recently, it took me a long time
Speaker 2: to get to this place. What I realized is it
Speaker 2: doesn't fucking matter if they know or not. No, we know,
Speaker 2: we were there, we know, and it was a magic trick.
Speaker 2: I mean it was because because it was you said,
Speaker 2: it was the purest form of improv that's what you
Speaker 2: once called it, what we did. Because you could not
Speaker 2: see me. It wasn't like we could play off each
Speaker 2: other's facial cues. You couldn't see me at all. You
Speaker 2: were working with this emotionless robot.
Speaker 1: But I was working with you, right, and I totally
Speaker 1: trusted you, like I knew whatever I threw you that
Speaker 1: it was going to be there was going to be something.
Speaker 2: But that was big for you. I was talking to
Speaker 2: Mark Summers about this and I said it, I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful that you took a chance on me, because that's
Speaker 2: a big deal. You have the Late Late Show with
Speaker 2: Craig Ferguson, you are hosting that show, and you decide
Speaker 2: to bring in this other weird element. It was a gamble.
Speaker 2: I think we built that trust before Jeff, because we
Speaker 2: would do this Larry King's sketch. We would sit across
Speaker 2: the sash and by the way, Brad Lace played Arnold's
Speaker 2: son who popped up from under the table. Jesus, oh God,
Speaker 2: that we probably shouldn't call me. Do you talk to him?
Speaker 2: I don't talk to him. Brad Leace is a great actor.
Speaker 2: He was he was game for all of that and
Speaker 2: a joy. Yeah, and he was great to work with you.
Speaker 2: I just I just think it's funny that it was, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is my son, Larry, Look here's my little boy,
Speaker 2: and then he pops up wearing the same exact suit
Speaker 2: I have on how you doing?
Speaker 3: They were like.
Speaker 2: That was weird because I became friends with Larry Carey.
Speaker 2: Oh you did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew that that impassination, which was vicious because
Speaker 1: I couldn't really do him.
Speaker 2: But that's what's funny. Yeah, you did this out of
Speaker 2: control brisket eating monster.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing that I wonder sometimes, Like
Speaker 1: you do voices, you can do anybody, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you can do a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: So sometimes when I've done like jokes about people or
Speaker 1: impressions of people, and then I meet them and I'm
Speaker 1: like kind of because yeah, I've been kind of mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I try not to do that kind of thing anymore,
Speaker 1: because you do run into people.
Speaker 2: Do you have you had? Because I remember you met
Speaker 2: Morgan Freeman again thanks to you. You insisted. He said,
Speaker 2: do you want to meet the guy that did your voice? Well, yeah, sir,
Speaker 2: I would. And here and I'm behind the wall in
Speaker 2: my little safe spot with the robot, you know, and
Speaker 2: here comes Morgan Freeman making a bline for me. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: nice to meet you. That's a that's you're white. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: you're white. He's a very classy guy.
Speaker 1: Morgan absolutely, yeah, and very kind of smart, funny.
Speaker 2: Great interviews. Yeah, I had with him on there. We
Speaker 2: had some of that though, that that was the kind
Speaker 2: of I remember.
Speaker 1: The one time I thought, the only time I thought
Speaker 1: I don't think we should have Jeff tonight is when
Speaker 1: Archbishop Desmond.
Speaker 2: So well, well, I was like, I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's appropriate.
Speaker 1: Well Desmond, yeah, I think it would have been a
Speaker 1: in your pants You're right exactly.
Speaker 2: He probably would have laught, he would have last been fine.
Speaker 1: But I think that it's kind of like when you
Speaker 1: have somebody on that means a great deal to people.
Speaker 1: This is one thing I learned about Late Night, not
Speaker 1: just Desmond Tooto, who means a great deal with human race,
Speaker 1: but even if it's just someone who's like on a
Speaker 1: popular sitcom or one of the vampires for the Twilight
Speaker 1: Things or something like that. Like if you if you
Speaker 1: joke with these people and don't treat them with respect,
Speaker 1: befitting you know, Austrian Emperor of the seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Their fans go fucking christ I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like like you're somehow dis and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not Disney. They're just a fucking actor and we're
Speaker 1: dicking around and have them crank.
Speaker 2: That wasn't right what you did. Yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you have to be more respectful. And it's a fucking
Speaker 2: late night show.
Speaker 1: There's a talking there's a guy hiding behind the seats
Speaker 1: making a skeleton talk.
Speaker 2: He's rowing the show. Yeah, I mean it's people got mad, remember, well,
Speaker 2: that's why I got. That was the other reason I got.
Speaker 2: I took it very per Look, I didn't have this.
Speaker 2: I wasn't equipped to know how to deal with it.
Speaker 2: I didn't I'd never been on a show like this before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was my first big gig and it was. It
Speaker 2: was an odd little rockie very like nothing ever before.
Speaker 2: And there was a petition going around, started by you know,
Speaker 2: a group of very uh Brzellis fans, very excited people,
Speaker 2: your fans, who wanted they did. Jeff gone, oh no,
Speaker 2: I do, Rember. Now, what happened was and that's fine.
Speaker 2: That was it was. I was deeply hurt by it.
Speaker 2: Now I wouldn't give a shit, but at the time
Speaker 2: I took it very personally. That's that's unfortunate because they
Speaker 2: shouldn't have done. But Michael Maatis said he tweeted. He
Speaker 2: responded to the group and said, we're looking at it.
Speaker 2: We'll take it under consideration. And for about two weeks, man,
Speaker 2: I was sweating bullets, thinking my job's over. No, well, nobody, see,
Speaker 2: nobody came to me.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I didn't understand for
Speaker 1: a long time as well, for a very long time.
Speaker 1: I don't think if I ever really fully understood it
Speaker 1: until the show was over.
Speaker 2: If your name is on the show, you're.
Speaker 1: In charge, you're the boss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know people would call you. They'd say,
Speaker 2: how's your boss? Yeah, I go, he's not my boss,
Speaker 2: he's my friend. Yeah, colleague, we're together. I don't I
Speaker 2: never thought of you. I never thought of that either.
Speaker 1: I never thought like I wasn't involved in the hr
Speaker 1: of you know, anything like that.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 2: I always got here after every show. I would have
Speaker 2: a meeting, like in the control room with someone from standards,
Speaker 2: and they would.
Speaker 6: Say, okay, so when if Craig says vagina, you can't
Speaker 6: say vagina.
Speaker 2: Back, that's right, it's vagina, tonny. So what started happening
Speaker 2: was they would get in my head and it would
Speaker 2: frustrate you because you would set it up and I would.
Speaker 2: I would knock it out, you would, you know. But
Speaker 2: there were a lot of times when I would hold back.
Speaker 2: And I remember one night you looked at Jeff me
Speaker 2: and you were like, what's wrong with you? Man? It
Speaker 2: wasn't like it was real. It was like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? Where's the come on? I had
Speaker 2: people in my head and it's just a late night,
Speaker 2: fucking talk show. Let's just get fun. Stupid, stupid show
Speaker 2: late at night. That's all it was. Yeah, not a
Speaker 2: big deal. But I think the other thing that aba
Speaker 2: was we went to Comic Con. Took Jeff to Comic
Speaker 2: Con twice, to the CBS booth, and as you know,
Speaker 2: that's where everybody goes first when they go to comic Con.
Speaker 2: People want to get that sweet n cis marriage. It's
Speaker 2: the bullbloodscare is going to be here. But they would
Speaker 2: have Jeff set up and I'd be hidden away, puppeteering Jeff,
Speaker 2: and people lined up all around to talk to talk
Speaker 2: to Jeff. And I said to Michael Natis, I said,
Speaker 2: you know, do you think I could go out there
Speaker 2: and meet everybody? No? No, no, I think you'd stay
Speaker 2: in the booth. I said, Okay, but it's comic con,
Speaker 2: you know, this is yeah, people, I want to know
Speaker 2: who's doing Okay, no problem, listen, I'm happy to do it,
Speaker 2: no worries. Great, and we went back a second year.
Speaker 2: Happened again, two years in a row, and that always
Speaker 2: left a bad feeling, that left a bad taste in
Speaker 2: my mouth? So how did you get how did you
Speaker 2: get past it? Then? So the show ended. I couldn't
Speaker 2: take anymore. You left.
Speaker 1: Well here I want to tell you why, because I
Speaker 1: don't think people really understand why I left. People still
Speaker 1: say to me, why would you leave? Yeah, people still
Speaker 1: say to me, Craig, where's Jeff? And I will say,
Speaker 1: fucking your mom, that's where Jeff. People say, where's Craig?
Speaker 1: I say, I don't say. Probably best if you know.
Speaker 1: But the what happened is for me. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it makes everybody crazy, who does it? But it
Speaker 1: made me a little crazy, Like I would walk on
Speaker 1: you walk on a building every day.
Speaker 2: Your picture is everywhere.
Speaker 1: There's the pictures of me all around and on the
Speaker 1: station ary there's my name is written on all the
Speaker 1: envelopes and bits of paper, and my name, there's my name,
Speaker 1: my name, my face, my face and one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty people and all to do in all days kissing
Speaker 1: your ass, and it made me insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could. I felt like I couldn't trust anyone.
Speaker 2: I felt like I like, I just I was.
Speaker 1: I was so uncomfortable in my skin. I just kind
Speaker 1: of paranoid, and I, like you, I was like, I gotta,
Speaker 1: I can't process this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. And that's why I left.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I didn't like leaving the money, but
Speaker 1: there comes a point, right, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Have an appreciation I have. I have an appreciation now
Speaker 2: for that. I see now like, oh wow, yeah, that
Speaker 2: must have been really weird for you. It was weird
Speaker 2: because you had a lot of cooks in the kitchen
Speaker 2: as well, you know, being pointed in a lot of
Speaker 2: different directions.
Speaker 1: Because there it's Hollywood, and there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: around that have agenda yea and are looking to protect themselves, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: And the network and the nature of TV as it
Speaker 2: was then. You know, we were part of I think
Speaker 2: the Golden Age, the end of the gold An Age.
Speaker 2: I agree. Now it's much more controlled now.
Speaker 1: We actually I think the late night show that we
Speaker 1: did existed in a very odd little normally because we
Speaker 1: were in a time period that was protected by David Letterman,
Speaker 1: who had absolutely zero interest in what we were doing.
Speaker 1: It was funny because I saw Dave a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, and you know, it came up and I said,
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for, you know, providing the opportunity.
Speaker 2: He said, let's be honest, I had very little to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like, yeah, you're right, but he created the
Speaker 1: environment in which it could exist, yes, and that I
Speaker 1: don't think would happen now because the media places itself
Speaker 1: with the mob, whether on Twitter or Instagram or you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that thing if you're not reverential to an
Speaker 1: actor on Glee, then suddenly your house should be burned up, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And also
Speaker 2: we weren't trying to be offensive, right, we were just
Speaker 2: we were but we were free. We really were free. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for the most part. Yeah, except saying Vagina second time,
Speaker 2: right to do whatever. I mean, really, I think towards
Speaker 2: the end, I don't know about you, but I was
Speaker 2: rolling in there. Would come in about a half hour
Speaker 2: before showtime. Yeah, half hour was that was If I
Speaker 2: was early, it was half hour. We'd roll up and
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: But it was still making me create the only thing
Speaker 1: that was something I heard Kemmel say and I agree
Speaker 1: with it. If it was just the hour every day
Speaker 1: of doing the show, yeah, I could do it for it, right,
Speaker 1: But it's not the hour.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's all the other stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it was the most fun that I've ever had. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was an amazing crew, and it's a very bizarre
Speaker 2: job description, being the you know, talking robot sidekick, among
Speaker 2: other things. I mean, there was also a lot of
Speaker 2: other you know. I was making the phone ring on
Speaker 2: your desk, that's right, the phone going off. It was
Speaker 2: the serage from Oh how does the Serge? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: the flies and the celebrity flies, and then we had
Speaker 2: Alfredo Sauce and the band the Ins, and then the
Speaker 2: great Dana de Lorenzo originally did the voice of Sandra
Speaker 2: the Rhino, and then she was bath. She was bed.
Speaker 2: She's a fantastic actress, isn't she great. She's gone on
Speaker 2: to do so many guy friends. Yeah, she did the
Speaker 2: Walking Dead? Is that what?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: She did versus Evil with Bruce Campne n something with
Speaker 2: dead people to worked with a dead skeleton scale. But
Speaker 2: I had to apologize to her. I mean, we're good
Speaker 2: friends now, but when she became Beth the CBS executive,
Speaker 2: you know, I was sitting back there behind that wall,
Speaker 2: you know, wanting to come out from behind the wall,
Speaker 2: and you see her getting see. I became that guy
Speaker 2: for a while where I couldn't be happy for other
Speaker 2: people's success. I would see people like on Instagram, friends
Speaker 2: of mine and colleagues that would book a gig or something,
Speaker 2: and my first thought would be them, why did they
Speaker 2: get that? I think that makes you a human being?
Speaker 2: I don't think. Yeah, I think that that happens sometimes,
Speaker 2: but how did you get past it? I realized that
Speaker 2: it's actually good for all of us? It actually I
Speaker 2: actually somehow it inspired me to see people that I know.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, oh they did it. Oh
Speaker 2: so we it's possible, Yeah, it's actually possible. A friend
Speaker 2: of mine that I went to college with, I went
Speaker 2: to cal State Fullerton and I got my degree in
Speaker 2: you know, TV radio and film communications degree and uh,
Speaker 2: this guy named Omeed Abtahi Ohmed I met in the
Speaker 2: in two thousand and I was directing. It was for
Speaker 2: my TV production course and it was for the final
Speaker 2: and I had written an episode of Doctor Who, Oh Wow,
Speaker 2: and it was called anti Matters of the Heart and
Speaker 2: the doctor falls in love with his companion. Now Doctor
Speaker 2: Who hadn't come back yet, the resurgence hadn't happened yet.
Speaker 2: It was only one TV movie, and I think the
Speaker 2: show had ended in like eighty six with so Semester
Speaker 2: McCoy right, it was done. It was dead in the water.
Speaker 2: So I did Doctor Who and I cast this guy
Speaker 2: Ohmed as the doctor and he had just switched majors
Speaker 2: and he thought he'd give acting a try, and he
Speaker 2: was fucking great. It was really good. The whole production
Speaker 2: was a disaster because it was a beginning production course.
Speaker 2: Because I was already in public access for years, I
Speaker 2: was ahead of the game. So my instructor, my professor, said, hey,
Speaker 2: for the parameters of this class, it was great. Don't
Speaker 2: be hard on yourself. You're just trying to do stuff
Speaker 2: that they can't pull off. Then I worked with Omit
Speaker 2: again and did a zombie film on campus and made
Speaker 2: omed my.
Speaker 1: Star right Head zombie Head Zombie did the Zombie. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say track you just a little bit, but
Speaker 1: you know I love zombie. Yeah, did the zombies river
Speaker 1: dance in your movie?
Speaker 2: They should have.
Speaker 1: I'm still waying to see Zombie River Dance, Zombie River
Speaker 1: Dance movie.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to come.
Speaker 5: You remember the sensation from the nineties, Now they're back.
Speaker 5: It's zombie river.
Speaker 2: Zombie river Dance. I'm telling you that's the way to
Speaker 2: go because during the show. Yeah, so last week I'm
Speaker 2: watching The Mandalorian on Disney Plus. Right, I don't well,
Speaker 2: don't worry about all but John Favreau doing an unbelievable job.
Speaker 2: I like John very much. He's really done. He's doing
Speaker 2: great things for Star Wars and the entire episode stars
Speaker 2: oh Meade ob Tig and I could not have been
Speaker 2: more fucking overjoyed. That's great. I tweeted it out to
Speaker 2: him and I said, dude, you were great back then
Speaker 2: with the zombie river Dance. But remember the Zombie river Dance.
Speaker 2: His character's name is doctor Pershing. He's Persian, but doctor,
Speaker 2: and he's a He said to me, that's not the
Speaker 2: first time I played a doctor. So he remembered that,
Speaker 2: and I said it was just nice to choose to
Speaker 2: feel joy and to feel proud for someone. It's much
Speaker 2: harder now. Was that a choice? Though? Were you in
Speaker 2: such pain that you thought I have to change not
Speaker 2: for that? No, this, this was.
Speaker 1: No, I don't mean that. I mean I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the period after oh yeah show. Oh I knew because
Speaker 1: I had a rough time after the show for a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't angry. I was just rudderless. I just didn't
Speaker 1: know where to go. Yeah, so I toured like crazy
Speaker 1: and I made a lot of television shows. Maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have made and stuff like that. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do. You know, I really didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do. Things were changing.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear because I didn't know who who
Speaker 2: am I?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What am I? Now? Right? Like? Oh, you were a
Speaker 2: robot behind the But but you know how show business
Speaker 2: they don't care what you did yesterday. No, what are
Speaker 2: you fucking doing now? What are you doing now? What
Speaker 2: are you doing right now? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seemed to me that, like, because I never said
Speaker 1: to be a late night talk shows right for me,
Speaker 1: it was like a job, like being a realtor. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like I I, you know, it's nobody wants to
Speaker 1: be a fucking realtor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you go, well, you know, it's a
Speaker 2: decent job.
Speaker 1: And you make pretty good money and you get your
Speaker 1: photograph on bus stop. Sure that's the best part. I
Speaker 1: think that, Okay, I'll do it. But there was a
Speaker 1: lot of guys and still there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people people who watch.
Speaker 2: Late night TV, people who are you know, who are
Speaker 2: doing late.
Speaker 1: Night TV, who think it's some kind of fucking high
Speaker 1: r and they get mad if you don't right right.
Speaker 1: I felt uncomfortable with that whole thing too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I had to make my piece with the
Speaker 2: voice stuff like impressions are fun, yeah, right, and I
Speaker 2: can do them. And you pointed out once very wisely.
Speaker 2: I think it was before one show we were doing.
Speaker 2: We were on tour doing stand up, and you said,
Speaker 2: I was sort of like, I don't want to do
Speaker 2: impressions anymore, and you said, well, you know, don't write
Speaker 2: it off entirely, because it is a good sort of
Speaker 2: magic trick. It is a cool it's a great tool
Speaker 2: to have in your great tool if you've got it.
Speaker 2: But what I realized is for me, it's not who
Speaker 2: I am. It doesn't define who I am. It's probably
Speaker 2: like maybe number six of my things that I really
Speaker 2: want to do. But what I made my peace with
Speaker 2: and figured out is it's a great way to make
Speaker 2: a living. There are certainly way worse things you could do.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun, and it affords me the
Speaker 2: time then to work on the things that I really love,
Speaker 2: like making films and writing.
Speaker 7: I've been writing a lot, and I feel like because
Speaker 7: the horror and the kind of but it's not like
Speaker 7: horror in this sense that is unpleasant to look at horror.
Speaker 1: For me, You're kind of ethos has always to me
Speaker 1: being sort of hammer horror, like hammer. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the kind of schlock is not fair. It's more kind
Speaker 1: of like Artie Busty.
Speaker 2: In many ways, got the Hammer, the Hammer Lady, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Hammer Glamour, Carline Monroe, Caroline Monroe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, geez, that was a thing for me.
Speaker 2: Those were great. Yeah, Hammer horror was I had seen
Speaker 2: the Universal movies and I always love those.
Speaker 1: The Cylindreth, those kind of things from the fifties and yeah, well.
Speaker 2: Well you know, the Class Dracula, wolf Man, all the
Speaker 2: Universal Yeah, early, wow, what's this and then but when
Speaker 2: I first saw Hammer, you know, because I grew in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: I grew up watching all the late night horror shows,
Speaker 2: the late night monster movie show Viral was Cleveland. Viral
Speaker 2: was syndicated, all right, so that was everywhere. We had
Speaker 2: I think like six or seven horror hosts at one time.
Speaker 2: We had Gulardi, who was Ernie Anderson because Drew Carrie
Speaker 2: had a loved Gulardi was Ernie Anderson, father of Paul
Speaker 2: Thomas Anderson, the great director. Wow, Ernie Anderson.
Speaker 1: That didn't keep the Glardy thing. Yeah, well, actually Skip
Speaker 1: Glaris a great He's in the Bibi River Dance. I think, oh,
Speaker 1: it's featuring skiptical Arnie.
Speaker 2: How do you do? And everybody, Hey did he do?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 2: Touch me? Lucky Charm and Brad Leace. I'm sorry if
Speaker 2: you're out there. Yeah, yeah, But Gulardi was my my parents'
Speaker 2: era in the sixties. And then Ernie Anderson left Cleveland,
Speaker 2: as you do, and became the voice of ABC for
Speaker 2: many many years. Tonight on an all New love Boat,
Speaker 2: or you know a little man on.
Speaker 5: America's Funniest Home Videos, dog who ship the bed, or
Speaker 5: baby who vomited on mummy.
Speaker 2: Right. So in fact, Paul Thomas Anderson's company I think
Speaker 2: is Gulardi Films Limited or something there. It is there.
Speaker 2: It is talk. Yeah, yeah, dog doesn't ship. The dog
Speaker 2: would have to work on kind of like a dog.
Speaker 2: Don't just shs anywhere. This is what people do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, it's on the show. Craig could such an
Speaker 2: unusual video if you had a video camera and that
Speaker 2: dog was going to take a ship. You know, it
Speaker 2: starts shivering, the tails starts have a little dumpy thing.
Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do. You're gonna film it?
Speaker 2: Go get off the bed, Get off the bed if
Speaker 2: you want money and prizes. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 2: don't think people would. I would never like if you
Speaker 2: saw a dog. Yeah, if you saw a dog about
Speaker 2: to take a ship.
Speaker 1: If you do have a dog, no, you have a cat,
Speaker 1: two cats, two cats, and you got rats.
Speaker 2: I don't have rats anymore. Oh you gotta go no
Speaker 2: because I happened. Doesn't admit it. I admit it either
Speaker 2: the rats or mean yeah I do.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: You know what happened is this is really a sad story.
Speaker 2: But some kids used to sell them at Petco and uh,
Speaker 2: some kid got bit.
Speaker 1: Oh no, rad baite fever.
Speaker 3: Oh no, horrible, that's a horrible My first question was
Speaker 3: what was I kid doing those rats?
Speaker 2: No, that's all. That's an awful story. America is funny
Speaker 2: of some who will win the.
Speaker 5: Baby who vomited on mommy or kid who got bit
Speaker 5: and died of rat bite fever.
Speaker 2: That I think that could be how terrible Zombie River dies.
Speaker 2: That's how it starts. That's how it starts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody gets bit by an Irish rat and the
Speaker 1: rat sings.
Speaker 2: It's a rat puppet, that's right.
Speaker 6: Eve.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm still keep who's that putting your finger in
Speaker 2: the cage? Why, I'm hungry, that's for sure. I see
Speaker 2: in my head it's a big, giant cage that we
Speaker 2: build on stage. It's a massive cage. And then this
Speaker 2: guy dressed as a rat with makeup on right, and
Speaker 2: he's sitting alone in the corner and there's maybe moonlight
Speaker 2: behind him.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Like then the David Boy, like the video
Speaker 1: for that song where the he's in the mantle of
Speaker 1: you know the what I mean?
Speaker 2: Later later on, Yeah, yeah, was that Lazarus. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was weird. Man, Oh I love that man. Ballsy is
Speaker 2: that to do that album as You're dying? He knew
Speaker 2: he was dying and it was about that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was and he was like doing the
Speaker 1: video with the coins on his eyes and all that.
Speaker 2: My favorite.
Speaker 1: Do you know he liked our show? Apparently I heard
Speaker 1: that really another source. Yeah, I used to watch the
Speaker 1: show because rememberly shit. I know, because remember I did
Speaker 1: this thing when David Boy turned sixty. I did a
Speaker 1: sketch where like I did my boy impression and I
Speaker 1: was wearing a jumper and yes, I'd been to the store.
Speaker 2: Like I just went for a newspaper making a shape. Yeah, smoothie.
Speaker 1: I did that, And apparently that got to him and
Speaker 1: he started watching the show.
Speaker 2: Oh he It's interesting because I found about I found
Speaker 2: him when I found his album Outside. He did an
Speaker 2: album in ninety five called Outside. Yeah, that's late. That's
Speaker 2: where I came in. Wow, like same with a lot
Speaker 2: like Depeche Mode. I came in like nineteen. That happened
Speaker 2: to me with John Klee.
Speaker 1: Okay, I had for some reason during the eighties missed
Speaker 1: all John Cale's work with Brian you know, and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And then it came to it
Speaker 1: very recently, and I'm looking at the back catalog. There's
Speaker 1: that album that John Kyle and Brian YOUO did a
Speaker 1: Wrong Way Up. That's one of the greatest.
Speaker 2: It's brilliant. It's unbelievably good.
Speaker 1: Love Brian, you know, yeah, yeah, oh wow, he's now
Speaker 1: see Brian, you know, is a great example of Jeff Peterson.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like way, it's like, you create this
Speaker 1: whole thing and then you move on and some guy
Speaker 1: goes out and goes, oh, I did it, but I
Speaker 1: didn't do it, you know, right. I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: got to a place a piece with it because I never,
Speaker 1: and I swear I never underestimated what you were doing.
Speaker 1: I knew what was going on. I knew how good
Speaker 1: you were, you were and are and remain. You know,
Speaker 1: I was never in any doubt or your talent or
Speaker 1: your contribution.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't change the title of the show
Speaker 1: to with Lately with Greig Version and Jeff Peters, although
Speaker 1: how do we still been doing it? I would have
Speaker 1: done that. Wow, I would have done that.
Speaker 2: I could have done like five more years of that show.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't in your position. We were hitting some
Speaker 2: kind of stride. I think maybe we could have done more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we could, but the world.
Speaker 1: Could not have taken five more years that the world changed,
Speaker 1: that became very political, right, and everything got super sensitive,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the stuff we were doing there
Speaker 1: was no mean spirit in it, but people would have
Speaker 1: read it a mean spirit in it at all, and
Speaker 1: it would have been, you know, it was that whole
Speaker 1: people getting into fractions of you. You have to you know,
Speaker 1: follow to a certain line ideologically, and I don't think.
Speaker 2: We were really doing any of that.
Speaker 1: And however, that being said, I'm not ruling out at
Speaker 1: this point you and I ever putting that together again,
Speaker 1: what do you think I would love.
Speaker 2: It, dude. I think we should have worked with you.
Speaker 2: It would be so great, man, bring in some way
Speaker 2: in some form.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel, And I think that what we
Speaker 1: should do is somehow go from this podcast to the
Speaker 1: next stage, which is I've still got the robots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got there, Jeffs. Where are they? Yeah? Why
Speaker 2: don't you have one? Yeah? I'm like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I've got both of them because there were two. There
Speaker 2: was the one in the studio. Studio Jeffs and then
Speaker 2: on the road Jeff traveling Jeff or Paris, Jeff Paris,
Speaker 2: Jeff because he was when we went to Paris. We
Speaker 2: took that one. Yeah, we did Paris. We did Scotland, Scotland. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we New Orleans, New Orleans. Where that was New Orleans
Speaker 2: was that was that was where I was what happened.
Speaker 2: That was where I had a little bit too much
Speaker 2: to drink one night. Yeah, and uh and I have
Speaker 2: a photo of it that Tim Manson Ellie took our director. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a great director. I love him so much,
Speaker 2: such a sweet guy. He's directed like you know, fifty
Speaker 2: don want to do James Cordons. Ye stayed there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he's done. He's a very loyal guy as well. He's
Speaker 2: done more episodes. I think he really, yeah, he really,
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, he's there. He's making right for you. Well
Speaker 2: he he took a picture of me at the bar
Speaker 2: talking to a young lady who seemed to take quite
Speaker 2: a bit of interest in me. Oh that's nice. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize, uh she was. Things were, things were not
Speaker 2: all they seem. Yeah, that could happened. Thankfully that didn't happen.
Speaker 2: But but the next year didn't it didn't happen. So
Speaker 2: I pass out in my hotel room after I've given
Speaker 2: her three hundred dollars, and the next day I have
Speaker 2: to do a voiceover session because they need some lines
Speaker 2: of dialogue from Jeff, and I can't even get out
Speaker 2: of bed. I've had a lot of absinthe. Wow, I
Speaker 2: need no like a blackhair drunk. For years I had
Speaker 2: absce once I was like even you couldn't. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was on the whole Heroin Heroin.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have done that Heroin's It's so much
Speaker 1: cleaner out that was. That's like, that's like getting by
Speaker 1: the yeah, boom, you're done.
Speaker 2: I had a hard time getting through that next day.
Speaker 2: But but I never it never got to the point
Speaker 2: where I never showed up to our show. I don't
Speaker 2: remember anything. I think on tour. We were on tour
Speaker 2: towards the end, I was going through a horrible breakup,
Speaker 2: so I probably wasn't funny at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean once you that's when you were we
Speaker 1: were on the tour bus and you were being R
Speaker 1: two D two Yes, the little kind of New York.
Speaker 2: Right in that video. Yeah, I'm doing like a denial face,
Speaker 2: but a mark too D two and you're being Obi
Speaker 2: wan Kenobi quiet, now yeah a too what So meanwhile
Speaker 2: I'm doing would you like a babe?
Speaker 1: You guys will go, hey, Josh, come on man, stop
Speaker 1: crying for a minute and do the sketch.
Speaker 2: So you're looking at if you see that video, folks,
Speaker 2: you're seeing a guy that's just dying.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's I think well of people are
Speaker 1: doing people who are not inside the world of comedy.
Speaker 1: It's all that Tears of the Clowns. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: a little more complicated. It is if you're in an agony.
Speaker 1: Like whenever I heard like one of the writers was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's getting a divorce, I'd be like, oh really,
Speaker 1: I'm like my eyebrows go up, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: let's look at what he's sitting in the show, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, you know, writer, yeah, make him
Speaker 1: head right, yeah, because he's like, apparently it's it's a
Speaker 1: very contentious as a custody battle.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, wow.
Speaker 1: Cold, yeah, it's immediately it's true. It's true, and I
Speaker 1: think that's quite interesting. Towards the end of Late or Show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I think that's when I
Speaker 1: was the most uncomfortable doing it, and without a shadow
Speaker 1: of it, doubt, that's when the shows were best.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you were in the same place. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, man,
Speaker 2: that's so weird. I was. Yeah, I was doing crazy shit,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. My sort of cure all was I
Speaker 2: started drinking a lot. Yeah, but I've tried that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're familiar with that. Yeah, it doesn't work. My face,
Speaker 2: It all went to my face. I like this round
Speaker 2: like a Charlie Brown, Wow, like real puffy. I think it's.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know. I wasn't thinking about it. It's
Speaker 2: just like I'm fine, you know. It's that, it's that
Speaker 2: feeling of this is my time now, this is what
Speaker 2: you do, this is I guess, this is what's done.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a good fucking time. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: are having a good time. Not really, you having a
Speaker 2: good time now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm still
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: That's okay, it's am I, but not sixty years yeah, josh, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure that ship, but not from
Speaker 3: a place of the voice in my head doesn't say,
Speaker 3: you better fucking figure it out right now.
Speaker 2: It's like we'll see. Yeah, let's make something to make
Speaker 2: Like creating, just to create something is where I derive.
Speaker 2: I think the most joy. Yeah, like I do. I
Speaker 2: make music. Maybe no one will ever hear it, but
Speaker 2: it's more it's for me. Yeah, it's still music, it's
Speaker 2: still I enjoy it. I enjoy writing. I love Halloween.
Speaker 2: My girlfriend Nilani, I've been with her for three years now, right,
Speaker 2: That's really what turned me around was meeting her.
Speaker 1: That was a big deal. Yeah, that's what saved me
Speaker 1: as well was Megan. Oh yeah, late night. I was
Speaker 1: like if I if we hadn't been together, I had
Speaker 1: crashed in thing eighteen months.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, you think so totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd a fucking taken a tamper tantrum or something.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But you know, the thing was why we were doing
Speaker 1: the show because you know, you know, Megan, I was
Speaker 1: going home every night.
Speaker 2: I had kids, and yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like so there was that paranoid Hollywood craziness,
Speaker 1: but then you know, yeah I was safe.
Speaker 2: Yea, it was straight home. And of course the kids
Speaker 2: were young, so it's like.
Speaker 1: Daddy way Yeah, and there was no fucking no showbiz
Speaker 1: in it was like the kids, Now, kids would ship.
Speaker 2: In your back. Yeah that you want to get on tape?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think I probably have that, but you
Speaker 1: saved that for her wedding video when they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're going, you know, the reception afterwards, the embarrassing remember
Speaker 1: this part.
Speaker 2: Remember this kid who shipped the bear? And now you're
Speaker 2: a doctor. It's true, man, because I go home now.
Speaker 2: You know, we have the place that I live in.
Speaker 2: I've lived there for probably eleven years now. In the landlord.
Speaker 2: Like the people that run it, they're such lovely people.
Speaker 2: It's this older couple and you know, I fix everything
Speaker 2: around the house and it's just it's just And she's
Speaker 2: made it a real home, you know she and and
Speaker 2: also she's an exceptional artist. She's an animator, she's a
Speaker 2: she's a director, she's a painter. That's perfect for you.
Speaker 2: So weird. You have to be in that environment all
Speaker 2: the time. You must have that, you know, something similar.
Speaker 2: And so at Halloween every year, you know, I love Halloween,
Speaker 2: I love horror movies and all that. But we do
Speaker 2: a massive display in the front yard. And this year,
Speaker 2: this last year, I bought an old tube TV I
Speaker 2: found on a zenith, a nineteen eighty eight bake wood
Speaker 2: panel six. A beast put it in the front window.
Speaker 2: It's like bay window with Frankenstein's Monster. I have this
Speaker 2: big animatronic Frankenstein Monster looks like he's holding the TV.
Speaker 2: And all of October I would play old black and
Speaker 2: white horror movies on this tube TV. Wow, and we
Speaker 2: set up a big grave yard this year. It was
Speaker 2: so amazing. There were kids that would come by and
Speaker 2: tell me that they grew up watching that display. Oh
Speaker 2: that's cool and that means the world. Yeah, that's really that.
Speaker 2: To create something like that with someone you love is
Speaker 2: such a wild experience. And to not ever not to
Speaker 2: not feel like, well is this going to go wrong?
Speaker 2: You know, because I used to always feel like, well,
Speaker 2: this is going to go off the fucking rails any
Speaker 2: minute now, the other shoe will drop. Sure I've had
Speaker 2: good expression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you already have one shoes, it's like
Speaker 1: filming the dog shitting on the bed. Pick up the
Speaker 1: you have your one shoe off, Yeah, once you off,
Speaker 1: once you on, Craig, the one shoe is on, but
Speaker 1: you're probably ready to take it. It's like when you're
Speaker 1: lying on the couch. Yeah, and you're trying to wiggle
Speaker 1: that last shoe off your toe.
Speaker 2: What do you mean the last show? I many shoes?
Speaker 1: You got maybe three, some of us three late I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know you anymore, man, Yes, you do.
Speaker 1: No remember me, I don't. We're out of time. That's it.
Speaker 2: Therapy. Yeah, it was good. What for me? Good? That ship?
Speaker 2: Short of well, let me just say thank you for
Speaker 2: having me on the show. Well, thanks for thinking me man, really,
Speaker 2: thanks for you know, thinking to me on the Late
Speaker 2: Late Show. I mean that was one of the best
Speaker 2: gigs I ever had in my life, working with you
Speaker 2: and right, and thanks to the fans, because I want
Speaker 2: to say one of the things that really does bring
Speaker 2: me joy now is hearing all their stories of their
Speaker 2: memories of watching the show. Some people watching the show
Speaker 2: back when they were in junior high, high school.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed the whole new generation if you watching
Speaker 1: the show as well. That's the weirdest thing to me,
Speaker 1: is like I do stand up now and there are
Speaker 1: people there who can have been more than ten years
Speaker 1: that's right when that thing was going out, and they're like,
Speaker 1: where's Jaff and you know and they you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess it's during the lockdown during
Speaker 2: the pandemic. Everybody found the show on YouTube, Oh is
Speaker 2: that what it? And this whole new generation came in. Man,
Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's really amazing. So thank you again. Man,
Speaker 2: it's really good talking to you. Well, it's really good
Speaker 2: to API. Let's yeah, well, all right, good
Speaker 5: Night everybody that that's our show.