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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen

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Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer a Enius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Nius Williams. We're hosting our podcast series remotely during this

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen crisis. We all have made changes in our

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Speaker 1: lives the last few weeks, but we need to remember

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Speaker 1: to come together during the tough times and find ways

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Speaker 1: of being our best selves. Everyone is thrust into new routines,

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Speaker 1: new normals, including staying home with the kids, being not

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Speaker 1: only daddy, but a teacher, a coach, a chef, a referee,

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Speaker 1: and a playmate, all the while trying to adapt to

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Speaker 1: our new stay at home reality. It's hard trying to

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Speaker 1: keep remaining calm while trying to stay safe, happy and healthy.

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Speaker 1: Today we have with us co Executive director of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Legends Community, James Chadwick Pennington, New York was know

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Speaker 1: him as Chad Pennington. Chad is home with his kids

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Speaker 1: having lots of fun. We voted him the top father

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Speaker 1: of the Year since to stay at home mandate and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about being at home and being a legend

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Speaker 1: and all the fun and madness that goes with it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Chad, Thank you as I appreciate that introduction. Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess I appreciate the award as well. Award, and

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate you recognizing me as James Chadwick Pennington.

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Speaker 1: That's always much appreciated. I'm sure my mother would love that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel so endeared to your mom when I pronounce

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Speaker 1: your full name and remind the New Yorkers out there

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Speaker 1: many more that it is definitely James Chadwick Pennington that

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Speaker 1: we honor. All right, man, you at home with the boys.

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Speaker 1: How old are they? The boys have three boys. Cole

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Speaker 1: is sixteen, Luke is thirteen, engaged has just turned eleven.

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Speaker 1: So I have a sophomore in high school, an eighth

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Speaker 1: grader in middle school, and a fifth grader in elementary school.

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Speaker 1: So this has certainly been new territory for us. Uh,

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Speaker 1: doing the homeschool thing, no doubt about that. Now. How

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Speaker 1: many fights potentially have you had to break up or

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Speaker 1: at least intense discussions. Well, there's certainly been times where

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Speaker 1: one of the boys gets a little bored because he

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Speaker 1: their classroom work or maybe even doing their homework. Um.

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Speaker 1: And so then they start to pick as all boys do.

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Speaker 1: And so, but it hasn't gotten too intense. UM. What

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Speaker 1: Robin and I tried to do from the get when

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Speaker 1: we knew we were moving into this, we established what

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Speaker 1: we call TPS, which is the Pennington School. And what

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Speaker 1: we did was we came up with a schedule that

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Speaker 1: mirrored what they do at school during the day, with

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Speaker 1: all the different classes, the breaks, all of those things.

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Speaker 1: And this was actually kind of before uh, the school

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Speaker 1: actually got ahead of us, and so we were kind

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Speaker 1: of ahead of them as far as making sure that

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Speaker 1: we had a schedule for them. We just felt like

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Speaker 1: that not scheduling the day would be a complete disaster,

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Speaker 1: and so we tried to give them a schedule. I'd

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Speaker 1: get them up, uh at their normal time to go

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Speaker 1: and then we'd get ready for school. Now the school's

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Speaker 1: it's been quite the experience. I think that, uh, working

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Speaker 1: The eighth grader and the sophomore their kind of business

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Speaker 1: as usual, doing their papers, doing their quizzes and homework

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Speaker 1: and things like that. Now. I know you're connected with

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Speaker 1: but has this home school and the Pennington uh school,

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Speaker 1: Has this given you a great appreciation for teachers? Oh?

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Speaker 1: My goodness, Uh? And he is, of course, I am

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Speaker 1: a product of two educators myself. Both my parents were teachers,

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Speaker 1: a newfound respect for home school teachers. I first think

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Speaker 1: of Sean Alexander and his family. They have homeschooled every

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Speaker 1: And both Robin and I have talked about this. We've

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Speaker 1: we're trying to soak up every waking minute we can,

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Speaker 1: especially when you think of Cole, who's a sophomore, he's sixteen.

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Speaker 1: In two years he will essentially be out of our home.

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Speaker 1: And so although that makes me sad, at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to soak up every minute. Well. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to our fellow legend you mentioned Sean Alexander. I think

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Speaker 1: decided that they wanted their own starting football team right

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Speaker 1: how about this? How the boys helling to change? What's

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Speaker 1: what's some of the good stuff about the change in

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Speaker 1: the new normal? Well, I think some of the good things.

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Speaker 1: Number one, they feel like they have probably a little

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Speaker 1: bit more free time um, in and out of the classroom,

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Speaker 1: is they can just be kids. I think sometimes we

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Speaker 1: there's just been much more downtime to just be kids

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Speaker 1: I think the downtime has been good. I think that

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Speaker 1: we've tried to watch some movies as a family together

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Speaker 1: our normal schedule, it's a conquering divide mentality where one

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Speaker 1: and being able to send them workouts to do at home.

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Speaker 1: And we're actually going to do a Google meet later

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Speaker 1: certainly makes you think about what's most important. What's about

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Speaker 1: the most frustrating part of this new normal, most frustrating part, um,

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Speaker 1: I would say the uncertainty. I think that's probably the

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Speaker 1: most frustrating part for me, not only um with our

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Speaker 1: All of that uncertainty that we're all dealing with, um

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Speaker 1: does this look like from an impact of when we're

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Speaker 1: talking about economics and jobs and just how our world works.

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Speaker 1: The uncertainty part is something that I think unnerves all

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Speaker 1: and right now it's we're just trying to take in

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Speaker 1: will air chat after Easter. So with our Easter and

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Speaker 1: being a pastor. How about that? I think that's what

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Speaker 1: almost as if all of us have been told stay home,

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Speaker 1: get to know your family. We are shutting down any

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Speaker 1: outside outlet, and we're now mandating and strongly encouraging all

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Speaker 1: each other, watch movies, have fun. It's almost like a

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Speaker 1: divine reset. What do you think about that? Yet? I

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Speaker 1: think that's very accurate. Um. And it's interesting that we

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