1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Should 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: All Queen Trends be forgotten? Uh, well, we'll go there. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't know who suggested that, but I will have 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: it by the end of the episode. But thank you 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: for that short show title appropriate because this is the 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: second to last trending episode we will be recording. Uh. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: In the year twenty twenty one, we have a bunch 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: of good year end content, best movies of the year 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: or the year in movies, year music, best holiday songs, 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: all sorts of goodness coming at you. But before any 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: of that, I am thrilled to be joined by a 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: very special guest co host. He hosts the podcast This 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Day and Esoter political history from Radio Topia. Executive produced 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Adam McKay's podcast Death at the Wing about tragedy and 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: basketball in the eighties. You've probably heard him hosting thirty 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: for thirty on ESPN and the five thirty eight Politics 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: podcast back in the day. It is the brilliant and 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: talented Jody Abergan. What's up, Jody? Thank you? Have you 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: has your voice ever been horse while doing that? Have 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: you ever had a Now I just don't talk for 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the day. Yeah, yeah, My kids, haven't 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: hurt my voice. Yeah, in years, it takes you twenty 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: three hours and fifty minutes to recover from screaming the 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: guest name, and then you're back at it. I'm getting 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: a call from Nepal right now, Not to flex too hard, Yeah, 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: the Nepal, the one and only. Um so yeah, my 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: spam calls come from all over the world. No big deal. Uh, Jody, 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm doing. Oh, okay, we're recording this. 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: As you know, I'm in New York. Things are going 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: pretty moving pretty fast, and so you know, yeah, it's 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: a it's a whole thing. But yeah, right, yeah, good, 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: good to hear. All right, Well, here are some of 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: the things that are trending right now. Actually I wanted 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: to you know, one of the things that's trending always 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: around this time that we talked about a lot on 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: the show is, uh, the war on Christmas. One thing 37 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: we noticed this year was especially popular was freaking out 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: about Christmas shortages. There's a Christmas tree shortage supposedly, Uh, 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: there was a candy cane shortage that isn't real. Um, 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: but you're on your show. You did a special on 41 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: on the War on Christmas. Can you talking about that? Yeah, 42 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: we actually did this last year and we're rerunning it 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: this year because like you were taking a little time off. 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: But you know, it was a two part special looking 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: at the history of the War on Christmas. We did 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: it with um Michael Hobbs, who's just this brilliant podcaster 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: who does this show called You're Wrong About and another 48 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: show called Maintenance Phase, which is his current show. You know, 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: we we looked at the recent history of the War 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: on Christmas. I think Bill O'Reilly in two thousand I 51 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: was really when the main modern War on Christmas. But 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: it goes back as a sort of moral panic around 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: both culture and religion, interesting mixing in interesting ways. It 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to you know, kind of 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: the Puritans who were um upset about Christmas not being 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: religious enough in some ways, and uh, you know, but 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: you're what you just said, they're about kind of how 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: candy the current economic fears and shortages and supply chain 59 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: issues kind of wending their way into the more War 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: on Christmas. I mean that that scans with kind of 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: how I've come to understand it, which is the War 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: on Christmas in many ways is just an example of 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: a sort of framework of thinking into which you can 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: plug in a bunch of grievances and sort of build 65 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: a case um. And it is not really about religion 66 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: or even about the holiday as much as it is 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: about cherry picking and finding little things too. Then you know, 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: wind up the outlage machine, which is what Bill O'Reilly 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: was really good at UM and a lot of people 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: continue to be really good at You guys talk at 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: all about the fact that a lot of newspapers are 72 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: doing the same thing we're doing, which is trying to 73 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: create a bunch of content before going on like taking 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: a break. The thing I've I've talked with a lot 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: of folks about is that it's a it's a trap. 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: The idea that you can create a bunch of content 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: before and break you go on break. It is actually 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: harder than just creating the content through the break. And 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: everyone I know in in our little world of podcasting 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: at least is killing themselves last week and this week 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: to create shows so they can give themselves time off. 82 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: And part of me is like it would probably just 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: be easier to just like actually just take this record 84 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: of the show, or just take the time off entirely. 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: But but you know, because you're like, oh yeah, we're 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: gonna give ourselves tough off. We're gonna do a best 87 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: of clip show where we're gonna pull like fifteen different 88 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: things across the whole year and then have to write 89 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: record intos and astros to each one to contextualize, and 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you ended up working a lot. 91 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: But content is content. The Christmas season, as we discussed 92 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: in our War on Christmas specials, um full of all 93 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: sorts of content that you can you can fill in 94 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: and and you know, Michael Hobbs is just really smart. 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: He's he's, i would say, one of our best watchers 96 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: of moral panics and how they work. And um, he's 97 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: really smart about how the War on Christmas was just 98 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: is just classic, like take a bunch of little anecdotes 99 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: that aren't really related and all of a sudden you 100 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: can sort of build a big narrative. And certainly social 101 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: media just makes that even easier now for sure. But 102 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, everybody should check out first of all, 103 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: the War on Christmas episode of Jodie's podcast. There's going 104 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: to be rerun, uh in the near future. Also, you're 105 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: wrong about has a really good episode on human trafficking 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: that changed. However, you a lot of the headlines and 107 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: stories around that. Well, speaking of headlines and stories, let's 108 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: get to it. Someone named someone named Garrett Gilbert is 109 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: trending because that is a person who is starting at 110 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: quarterback tonight for the Washington football team in the NFL, 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: and as far as I could tell, he's never played 112 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: football before, which seems to me, like, you know, Mr 113 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Gilbert walks into your office, drop interview. It feels like 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: maybe one of the first questions I would ask is 115 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: have you played? I don't know. I just got a 116 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: good vibe from him. You know, he just seemed like 117 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: he had a locker room guy right locker room. I'm 118 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: sure he's like fantastic athlete, but they literally picked him up. 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we're seeing this in a lot of sports 120 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: right now, where these random people are showing up because 121 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: of COVID or injuries or just it's just wonky. Um. 122 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: It is important to remember that the person you've never 123 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: heard of before is probably the greatest athlete who have 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: ever stepped foot in their high school ever, and it's 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: an absolute legend um from wherever they came from. So 126 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: to impugne this person. When I was a lot of 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fast googling going on in the 128 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: world sports these days to figure out who these people are. 129 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: When I was in I lived in Lexing in Kentucky, 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: I played basketball against the guy George. I won't say 131 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: his last name, but he was like six four, had 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the best handle I've ever seen. It was dunking in 133 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: eighth grade. And you know, I was like, all right, well, 134 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: we'll be hearing about him for years, and you know, 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like that's you know, if you heard 136 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the nets picked up George tomorrow, you would be like, 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: what the who the fun is George? But you know, 138 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: the world is just full of like so many incredibly 139 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: talented athletes who we've never heard of. It is one 140 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: of the more remarkable delusions that as you get people 141 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: mouthing off on these that they could probably hang with, 142 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: like you know, a person who had a cup of 143 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: coffee in the league. And it's just like, especially the NBA, Yeah, hey, 144 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: if I took that many shots, I could put up 145 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: thirty points. Again too, that the standard Jordan's uh uh yeah, 146 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: all right, Army Hammer is trending. Disney is proceeding with 147 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: a movie called Death on the Nile despite you know, 148 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the Army Hammer scandal uh uh, and unveiled a new 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: trailer and poster. It's directed by Kenneth Browna. It's a 150 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: mystery thriller, and he's part of the cast. He's not. 151 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: It's not like an Army hammer vehicle as far as 152 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: I can tell, although I'm assuming if it were an 153 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: Army Hammer vehicle, they would have edited the trailer so 154 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: as to look not like an Army hammer vehicle. But 155 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: I think that's just interesting and worth watching. Like the 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: amount of brain power going into strategizing around like the 157 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: comebacks of uh, you know, canceled people like that, I 158 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure is probably something we're underrating, like the number 159 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: of so is this, as you see, an attempt to 160 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: like pretend that the scandal is over or to just 161 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: not acknowledge the scandal here? Yeah? Uh yeah. I mean 162 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: part of me wonders if Disney was like it's Disney right. 163 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: Part of me one as if they were like, Okay, look, 164 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: everyone's going crazy about Macron right now. Sneak this trailer. 165 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: Let him trend on Twitter for twenty four hours. We'll 166 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: do that five more times before the movie actually comes out, 167 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: and that'll just like hit the release valve enough and 168 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: then uh, it'll be palatable by the time of the 169 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: movie the movie comes out. Yeah, like all the very 170 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: smartest people who went to all the very best colleges, 171 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: like so many of them working like marketing and like 172 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, the strategy and just like wearing in advertising. Alright, 173 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break actually and we'll we'll come 174 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: back and talk about air tags. And we're back. And 175 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: in case you couldn't tell by the old ass way 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: I said air tags, like I just heard the phrase. 177 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: Uh that that is a fact. I had just heard 178 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: the phrase. Super producer Rebecca just Um kind of explained 179 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: it to me. These are basically Apple version of tile 180 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: For me, really, Uh, it generally just made my key 181 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: chain clunk here. Uh and I've never remembered to replace 182 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the battery and so it was always out of batteries 183 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: by the time I had like two weeks where it 184 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: really changed everything. Right, Yeah, I think I went through 185 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: the same experience. But anyway, so they have this thing. 186 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: Uh it's called air tags. Uh. It seems like it's 187 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: you know a little bit simpler, more straightforward and it's 188 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:34,239 Speaker 1: also fairly cheap. It's twenty dollars. Uh. And so the 189 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: the availability of it though is causing some problems because 190 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: people are actually using it to track other people. Like 191 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: people are finding these notifications on their phone that like 192 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: the location of this air tag can be seen by 193 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: the owner. Is not what you want to see pop 194 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: up on your phone. But basically it's you know, people 195 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: who are being stalked. Someone is dropping an air tag 196 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: on another person unbeknown to them, like physically track them, yes, 197 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: track them, and they're they're you know, yeah, it's very 198 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: very scary. Will probably be a really horrifying thing to 199 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: discover in your bag. Some people are like finding them 200 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: in the wheel well of their car, and it's just like, 201 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: maybe this is not a technology like from the Bond 202 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: films that we want to be giving out at a 203 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: pop um, right. I mean, I think it's important to 204 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: sound the alarm about this. I also think, you know, 205 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: just if it's not this, it's going to be something else. 206 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: As part of how I feel about you know, I 207 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: think I just think we've like democratized the surveillance state 208 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: to a point where whether it's an air tag or 209 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: it's like air dropping, you know, inappropriate things to strangers 210 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: on the train, which was happening for a while until they, 211 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: I think, change the settings and so forth. And I 212 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: just think it's always going to be something along these lines. 213 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think the problem is probably 214 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: further upstream than just the technology. Yeah, um, that manifest 215 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: kind of behavior like that, right, So what Apple is 216 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: doing to prevent this, it might make this better than 217 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: this thing not existing, because normally when someone plants a 218 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: tracking device on you, in my experience watching spy movies, uh, 219 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't like shoot you a notification on 220 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: your phone being like hey you got a tracking thing 221 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: or f y. I So, yeah, that that is kind 222 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: of cool. Um, but I don't know. Also scary scary times. Man. 223 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: Speaking of scary times, Adam silver uh Is still has 224 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: has said he's not planning on delaying the NBA season, So, 225 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of similar to the story we're talking 226 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: about with Garret Gilbert. You know, you're gonna be hearing 227 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: from a lot of people who are like the best 228 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: player on the college team that you like. A couple 229 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: of years ago, the Chicago Bulls just signed Mac McClung, 230 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: who who played for Georgetown and then transferred and then 231 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: transferred again. But he was a pretty good point guard. 232 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fun. It's like, 233 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, seeing people get a shot. Yeah, a cup 234 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: of coffee. Why not just in the middle of a 235 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: pandemic exactly. But yeah, it's nice to see people get 236 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: a shot. I mean her, you know, hopefully they got 237 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: a shot. But you know, I just don't think the 238 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: product is going to be that good. And I mean 239 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: we talked about this that the NBA seems so fixated 240 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: on these games at on Christmas, and I just don't 241 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: think people are gonna, yeah, like people, I honestly think 242 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: we were gonna tune in. I think people know, like 243 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: they see what's happening things that you could like convince 244 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: people this is still NBA basketball or that we're not 245 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: living in a pandemic. I mean, you know, I just 246 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: this is how I feel in a larger sense about 247 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: all efforts to kind of not acknowledge that the pandemic 248 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: is changing everything, just to sort of say, oh, we 249 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: can still grit our teeth and go about things normally. 250 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean we should, you know, And I just feel 251 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: like the NBA gives me those vibes too, like we're 252 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: just still going to do this thing. You're gonna love it. Yeah, 253 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean the NFL delaying a game like two days 254 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: is the most early COVID thing possible, Like when we 255 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: were delaying meetings like a couple of days. Um. The Yeah, 256 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: the NBA season has been well. First of all, the 257 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Christmas Day games will have to compete compete with the 258 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: NFL for the first time, I think, Uh, I think 259 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: that's because of COVID, although it might just be because 260 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: Christmas is on Saturday this year. Um, but yeah, it's 261 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: as a Sixers fan, it's easy for me to be like, well, 262 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,479 Speaker 1: you know, top heavy teams are at a severe disadvantage, 263 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: uh than like compared to deep teams like the Bulls. 264 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: But um, I don't know. It's it's definitely a season 265 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: that will probably, if not an official asterrisk, well, people 266 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: will be like that was that was a weird one. 267 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: And I mean I think that probably you know, that's 268 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: the case with the entire world, is right. We we 269 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I think had a capacity to look at and say, Okay, 270 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: weird year, blip year, ASTERIX year. I think the fact 271 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: that one is clearly that as well is sneaking up 272 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: on a lot of people, you know, sending sending a 273 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: lot of people into despair. And I have found myself 274 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: thinking kind of like, wait a minute, which one which 275 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: one of these was the weird year? Which one of 276 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: these was the blip year? Or like do I have 277 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: to think of it? It's just one period and pretty 278 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: much March or February twenty like forward at this point. 279 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we can consider anything back 280 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: to normal, you know, I will say that to me. 281 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: This is one of the places where I host a 282 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: history podcast, I sort of try and think about stuff 283 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: a little bit through that lens. This is where I 284 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: feel like a lens of perspective is very useful for 285 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: me personally. Of just like we talked about the Spanish flu, 286 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, uh as the nine, you know, we group years, 287 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: We talked about stuff in periods of time. We realize 288 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: that stuff flows over a number of years, and I 289 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: just think it's like, this is one of those moments. 290 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: This is one of those stories that is so big 291 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: and so overwhelming that it is absolutely a multi year 292 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: thing where it is the dominant story and it's tough 293 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: to live through. It's really brutal and it's a grind, 294 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: but I also remind myself that, yeah, this is like 295 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: probably a two maybe three year thing, and then not 296 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: to mention, you know, the long term roop effect. Yeah, 297 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: the last trans Jesse water is threatened, like telling people 298 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: to fucking kill Shot Fauci Forgot's six. But I do 299 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: want to just like in general, in terms of where 300 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: we're at on the spectrum of like fascism and populism 301 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, like as somebody who I feel 302 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: like like that's something I'm always trying to do in 303 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: my spare time, is like read back on history, put 304 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: things into a bit of perspective. But I feel like 305 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: your show does that extremely well. Like and I don't know, 306 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: I feel somewhat hopeless about the election, not hopeless, but like, 307 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: uh pessimistic about election, like had well, just like two minutes, 308 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: give me two minutes on how you're feeling about the 309 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: state out of the country in terms of fashions. I am. 310 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: I am very, very, very worried about American democracy. Um. 311 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I think it is, you know, in peril in a 312 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: way that it hasn't been in a long time. Um, 313 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, for all sorts of reasons that are a 314 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: product of what's happened over the last twenty thirty years, 315 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: a sort of drop and trusted institutions, uh, media environment, uh, 316 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, turning every every cultural issue has become a 317 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: political ish political wedge issue. Um. Not to mention things 318 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: like jerrymandering and campaign finance and all the sort of 319 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: like technical ways that our democracy, the wheels, the gears 320 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: of our democracy operate, are being messed with. That said, 321 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: I do think a historical perspective also lets you realize, 322 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: and it's one of the things I really kind of 323 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: have come to see is just that history move moves 324 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: and shifts for very very unpredictable and often very small, 325 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: weird reasons. And you know, to me, I view like 326 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: the history of this country as one it's like you 327 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: throw up a bowling ball down one of those lanes 328 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: that has the bumpers on it, and it's just crashing 329 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: back and forth, and every once in a while I 330 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: like skip out, or everyone want to bounce in and 331 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: knock all the pins down and be successful, and like, 332 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's just so many incidents over this, over 333 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: this country's history, many of which we discussed on the 334 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: show where things could have completely fallen apart, you know, 335 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: and it could have been much much worse than you know, 336 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: our history has proven and vice versa, where sort of 337 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: things just seem to just coalesce and the course of 338 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: the country changes. So all the conditions we have, to 339 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: be honest, are really really worrisome right now and you 340 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: have to work really really hard to change stuff. But 341 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: that also when good stuff has happened in this country's history, 342 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: it has been because people have seen the moment for 343 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: what it is and just put their you know, put 344 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: their shorter to the grindstone. Whatever the mixed metaphor is, 345 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: trying to try to get things done. Um, and there 346 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: are things in front of us that we can do 347 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: to try and improve voter access and restrict gerrymandering, and 348 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: you know, that's the stuff I think about. It's just 349 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the kind of like can we get the little wheels 350 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: of our democracy working again and build from them. Yeah, 351 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: I think I've been a little bit too like deterministic 352 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: about like Trump's going to get elected again. That's very 353 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: good point that like, you know, the smallest things can shift, 354 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: that the dumbest things can shift. That him bragging about 355 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: getting the booster could make him suddenly very unpopular with 356 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: this with his base. I also do worry about like 357 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: I like the metaphor of the bumper bowling, but I 358 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: also think that America from the time of the baby 359 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: boom forward like was and maybe even like from the 360 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: time of World War two forward was like benefiting from 361 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: a wild uh string of good luck based on like 362 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: demographics and economics and like a really good dependency ratio. 363 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: And so it felt like, man, we we got bumpers 364 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: on this thing. We get real in any wild direction 365 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: we want to uh, maybe the bumpers are off, but 366 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: we we will see. I know you do this on 367 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: the other segment of the show, but you know that 368 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: that reminds me of a tweet I think about all 369 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: the time, all the time, which is someone wrote basically 370 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: like it really sucks to have basically been born at 371 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: the end of the funk around era and now living 372 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: in the out, you know, and it's I think about 373 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: that's the first up, and it really does feel like 374 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: the twentieth century was the let's funk around and find out, 375 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: and now we're about to find out we are all right. Well, Jody, Uh, 376 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: it's been truly a pleasure having you co host this 377 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: trending tomorrow's full episode. Great having you. Where can people 378 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: find you and follow you? Um? I do this day 379 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: in ss AR Political History Radiotopia show. You can get 380 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: that wherever? Um And then, uh, maybe my website is 381 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: a good place because I also have a list of 382 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: all the of all the work I've done, you know, 383 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: as I as I do stuff, I pop it up there. 384 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: So Jody with a y afrigan dot com and you 385 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: can track me down there. Yeah all right. And by 386 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: the way, the person who gave us the short show 387 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: title of all Equate Trends is eat the Rich Jefferson 388 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: at Device knol uh so shout out to you. Uh, 389 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: and that is going to do it for us on 390 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: this Tuesday afternoon. We're back tomorrow with the whole last 391 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: episode of the show and another trending and then a 392 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: bunch of year end content that I think you'll really enjoy. 393 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: Until then, be kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, 394 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: get the vaccine, wear a mask, don't do nothing about 395 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: white supremacy, and we will talk to you all then. Bye.