Speaker 1: Boutlet cap show. We got a special guest in here.
Speaker 1: He is a living legend. I appreciate that, brother. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Acon. Acon is here. Man. Hey, First of all,
Speaker 1: I just want to say props to you. Man. I
Speaker 1: always talk as a radio guy. I always talk about
Speaker 1: a few eras in music. There was the T Pain era.
Speaker 1: Before that, there was you and and T Pain was
Speaker 1: signed to you, and for about seven years straight it
Speaker 1: was hard for program directors to separate music because y'all
Speaker 1: are both on every fucking song, Man, every hook, every
Speaker 1: song it was a Coon or T Pain. It was
Speaker 1: just man, So salute to you. Man. I remember do
Speaker 1: you remember the rap phenomenon remix to your ghetto record
Speaker 1: that like green Lander did? That was my ship me too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that ship was crazy. Yeah Man, that
Speaker 1: was Yeah. Your first album was I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I was hooked just right away, locked up with such
Speaker 1: a special record man. So welcome man. Uh, So you
Speaker 1: tell me, because you've kind of been doing so much
Speaker 1: outside of the music space, what has inspired you to
Speaker 1: drop new music? Actually, you know what, the first go around,
Speaker 1: it was more about the business of the music for me, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was more focused on the business, and I
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to really enjoy it, right, you know,
Speaker 1: like I enjoy it. It was all business. But I
Speaker 1: said the second time around, I want to be able
Speaker 1: to really enjoy it, man, take it, breathe it in,
Speaker 1: and enjoy it all of this luxury that you know
Speaker 1: we work for, because it don't even make sense man.
Speaker 1: And then I watched the younger generation how they get
Speaker 1: this blessing to make this many opportunities and millions around
Speaker 1: the things that they do, and they just out here
Speaker 1: killing themselves, Like what is the purpose like to do
Speaker 1: all that to get out the hood? Just to bring
Speaker 1: the hood with you. Also, like it's probably different now
Speaker 1: because you're doing it just because you want to, not
Speaker 1: because you have to, as to where when you first
Speaker 1: got in the music industry, like this is my way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, sure, So you got to treat it as
Speaker 1: such a job. It's a bigger difference. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: like the way I feel like about you know, about
Speaker 1: the life now is like, Okay, cool, I made some
Speaker 1: good money, investments are all secured. My legacy isn't a
Speaker 1: good place. It's like, okay, now I can really go
Speaker 1: back into the music and have fun. But then again,
Speaker 1: I kind of missed the music too because it's been
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much time have flew past. When's
Speaker 1: the last time you dropped a single? Thousand and eight?
Speaker 1: Was the last time I dropped the record? Was that? No?
Speaker 1: The last one was beautiful? Okay, okay, okay, I remember
Speaker 1: that record. Be a long time. It's been a minute.
Speaker 1: That's fourteen years. Yeah, I mean you've hopped up, like,
Speaker 1: you know, hopped on people's stuff, you know, here and there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, some collapse here and there. But that's wild.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. But it was pretty crazy fourteen years. Man,
Speaker 1: I got a seventeen year old aout. That shit is wild.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're very smart, You're you know, I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to like just your accolades is just not
Speaker 1: only just the artist, but you're you know, I think
Speaker 1: you're one of the When we talk about CEO's eyes
Speaker 1: for talent, you're one of them ones. How would you
Speaker 1: say since two thousand and eight would have been the
Speaker 1: biggest things about the music industry that has I know,
Speaker 1: obviously TikTok, streaming all that, but just in terms of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, from when you first got into the game
Speaker 1: to now, is there anything that you dislike about the
Speaker 1: current for like, like music forecast? Anything that I dislike
Speaker 1: about the music forecast? Honestly, the only thing that I
Speaker 1: can probably say that I would put a negative stamp
Speaker 1: on is the originality. I just think there's not enough
Speaker 1: variety in hip hop, Like everything sound the same. This
Speaker 1: is true. That's the only thing that I dislike about it.
Speaker 1: But I love the hustle. I love the opportunity that
Speaker 1: that the hip hop is bringing to everybody else. I
Speaker 1: love the you know, it's it's it's it's literally taking
Speaker 1: well should take niggas out the hood, but it's it's
Speaker 1: creating opportunities that we didn't have before for sure, because
Speaker 1: before it was either it was either it was either
Speaker 1: music or basketball, right right, Okay, Now basketball is still regulated,
Speaker 1: so you can't just jump into that an alien level athlete.
Speaker 1: Whereas music, anybody can do it. It don't even matter
Speaker 1: like you can just any anybody can just go in
Speaker 1: the room now and just get on you know, garage
Speaker 1: band and make a record and go to straight to
Speaker 1: SoundCloud and go straight up SoundCloud. Because when you got signed,
Speaker 1: did you get sign off of a demo tape, which
Speaker 1: was kind of like back in the day, I got
Speaker 1: I got, I got actually signed out of creating demos wow,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because I started off as a producer
Speaker 1: song writer first, and I would write songs for other artists, right,
Speaker 1: So at one point, you know, they heard my record,
Speaker 1: it was like, man, this is a dope record. I
Speaker 1: would love him to write for our for our artists,
Speaker 1: But who's the guy singing on the songs? Who's that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And that's how I got
Speaker 1: pretty much discovered. You kind of came out swinging with
Speaker 1: a record like Locked Up, which is when you first
Speaker 1: come out with a song like locked Up featuring Styles,
Speaker 1: p right and you're you, You're very like you said originality.
Speaker 1: When you first came out of the scene, no one
Speaker 1: sounded like akon nobody. That's why it was so hard
Speaker 1: to get that record played, Like Locked Up was out
Speaker 1: a whole year before I got Styles on it. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like you know, MTV thought it was too urban and
Speaker 1: BT said it wasn't urban enough. So I was stuck
Speaker 1: in the middle. It was nowhere to go. So then
Speaker 1: when Styles got Locked Up, it was like, wait, hold up,
Speaker 1: he can actually and he had the streets Bag back then,
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, for sure all the mix. I
Speaker 1: actually reached out to a lot of other features before
Speaker 1: even Styles, and some either evil, either charged me way
Speaker 1: too much, or just said they couldn't do it. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it because the record just wouldn't you know
Speaker 1: it was it was to them it was an R
Speaker 1: and B record. So when Styles off of the due
Speaker 1: the record, he actually heard it and loved the record
Speaker 1: already and was like, man, I would love to do it.
Speaker 1: So he's the one I give credits for helping me
Speaker 1: break that record. I mean, once he became on there,
Speaker 1: it became urban automatic. Yeah, it became like a rap record, right,
Speaker 1: even though, like I feel like you're kind of like
Speaker 1: one of those artists who I just look at as like,
Speaker 1: like an artist, You're not a rapper, You're city. You
Speaker 1: sing obviously, but you're kind of like, you know, when
Speaker 1: people put a title on Future Post Malone is like rappers,
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, They're just artists who just make good music. Right.
Speaker 1: The ship might be hip hop, some of this pop.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious because at your peak as an artist,
Speaker 1: when you're extremely active, you were like the go to
Speaker 1: hook man. Everybody had to have an acon hook you had,
Speaker 1: you gave people careers. There was people who was getting
Speaker 1: deals or getting bags just because they had you on
Speaker 1: a hook. What was the biggest bag you got to
Speaker 1: do a hook? Well, actually mine would have come to
Speaker 1: hook bags. It was a little different because every song
Speaker 1: you ever heard me on that hath the hook on
Speaker 1: it was a record I produced. So I would give
Speaker 1: them the beat with me already on the chorus. So
Speaker 1: they had to pay for both. They had to pay
Speaker 1: for the whole thing. So like, because there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of artists who have done songs that like clearly
Speaker 1: they did for the bag. Was there one of those
Speaker 1: for you where you were like, Yo, this bag was
Speaker 1: so crazy. The song might have been I might not
Speaker 1: have loved the artist, but the song it was a bag.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. In the beginning, there was one
Speaker 1: record that I can recall started with a bag and
Speaker 1: then I was so happy I did it because the
Speaker 1: relationship came out of it was amazing. It was Baby Bash. Oh.
Speaker 1: I love that record. You know that because I before
Speaker 1: I did that record, I had never heard of baby Baby.
Speaker 1: I'm back man, Yeah, Baby, I'm back. I never know
Speaker 1: that song. And it was interesting because once I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: some good money, so I did it. But then when
Speaker 1: I met him we connected, I was like, damn, glad
Speaker 1: I did this record. He's such a cool dude. He's
Speaker 1: like the coolest guy, the coolest dude in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, so, I was like, man, I'm so happy
Speaker 1: we connected this way. You know. Then I felt bad
Speaker 1: because I was like, if I know this, I would
Speaker 1: have never charged him. Yeah, it's crazy because at that time,
Speaker 1: you probably aren't hip to what he's doing, right. It
Speaker 1: was too different. The Latin world is so different. It
Speaker 1: was different. First major label debut and you know, he
Speaker 1: came off that franky J record, Yeah, cyclone Baby, I'm back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He tapped in with Convic Music for sure for that
Speaker 1: first album, you know, and right after that we send
Speaker 1: him over the t Pain and got another record. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I talked to Pain and he had
Speaker 1: told me that you had offered him a record deal
Speaker 1: super early, and he said that a major label came
Speaker 1: and offered him like a substantially crazier amount of money.
Speaker 1: They did, but he said, I trusted a kind I
Speaker 1: believed it and his movement, and he's like, I'm living
Speaker 1: out my car, me and my girl are struggling. He's like,
Speaker 1: and I passed on the bag with this major situation
Speaker 1: and stuck with Akon and signed the deal for less
Speaker 1: money because of his vision, because of all the things
Speaker 1: that you bring to the table that money can't buy. Like,
Speaker 1: what was it about pain? Obviously he was in a
Speaker 1: group called was it the nappy Head? Yeah, Robberies my shit,
Speaker 1: by the way, that's a Tampa classic. But what was
Speaker 1: it about pain that like initially kind of struck your
Speaker 1: interest and had you kind of take a chance on him,
Speaker 1: And he also took a chance on you at no
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, to this day I thank him
Speaker 1: for just believing in me because that kind of changed
Speaker 1: your label. He was the first artist I signed on car, right,
Speaker 1: he was like literally the first artist. So it was
Speaker 1: not only because he was the first artist that I
Speaker 1: had to prove for future artists that I plan to sign,
Speaker 1: but because he took the chance on me, I made
Speaker 1: sure that I put whatever I had in him. M Like,
Speaker 1: because I gave a promise that I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a career, said they could give you a bag but
Speaker 1: I'm gonaive your career. I'm gonna give your career, and
Speaker 1: I made sure that that happened for him, And to
Speaker 1: this day, I still fight for him, even though he's
Speaker 1: off and doing his own thing. I always will always
Speaker 1: be in debt to t pain for sure. Yeah, pop pop.
Speaker 1: Convict Music off a label as a label pop yeah, No,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. It was our franchise player. Who else
Speaker 1: woan obviously Lady Gaga? Yeah, but see Gutay was on
Speaker 1: con Live. At the time, I had two labels, check
Speaker 1: you out. I had con Live, which was the pop label,
Speaker 1: and then I had Convict Music, which was the urban label.
Speaker 1: There's always speculation, are you still getting money off of
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga? No? No, not no more, no no more.
Speaker 1: How many albums in was it before the bagstop? I
Speaker 1: had her for four albums usually you had her for
Speaker 1: four albus, so after the four albums, the deal is over.
Speaker 1: But then how did she have four albums? Nah? She
Speaker 1: never got to four. So you eventually were like, hey,
Speaker 1: look well, at that time, it was a lot of
Speaker 1: moving parts, and I kind of seen where the future
Speaker 1: was going because of how the parts were moving. And
Speaker 1: that's when I made a deal for my portion in
Speaker 1: stake of her, and I bought out. I sold out.
Speaker 1: Oh so you sold your portion of whatever she does
Speaker 1: right before the dip. Oh that's smart. Do you think
Speaker 1: that that's why artists are currently selling their catalog right
Speaker 1: now like they're publishing, because they feel like it's a
Speaker 1: depreciating asset. Maybe. No, I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: are selling for because they don't know that. They don't
Speaker 1: I don't think they know the value of what that
Speaker 1: is they're selling. Yeah, because I saw like Future sell
Speaker 1: like a ridiculous amount of titles for like seventy five million,
Speaker 1: A lot of people were like, Yeo, he probably should
Speaker 1: have got more. Well, actually, yeah, that many like Future,
Speaker 1: I think you could have gotten definitely more for the
Speaker 1: amount of titles he sold out. Yeah, but sometimes they
Speaker 1: look at it differently, like when you come from the street,
Speaker 1: you're looking at how you can flip the seventy five million, Right,
Speaker 1: So maybe he has some other shit at line, maybe
Speaker 1: Future stupid like of course, smart guy, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, cool, I can go ahead pull this away.
Speaker 1: Because just people don't really even know that that interest
Speaker 1: just on that seventy five million, he could live forever
Speaker 1: and not have work ever again. Yeah, if you manage
Speaker 1: your money properly, put that part, that money in certain
Speaker 1: you know ventures you never have. That money pays for
Speaker 1: your lifestyle forever. Literally, So now everything you make on
Speaker 1: this side is bonus strip c love money. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know what was was it a comparable bag for
Speaker 1: your lady? You gotta buy out? It was enough for
Speaker 1: me to retire put it out that hadn't made a
Speaker 1: record since. That's crazy. So would you say that, like
Speaker 1: obviously being a part of Lady Gaga's career, being able
Speaker 1: to capitalize off that you took a chance on her
Speaker 1: early just dance, poker face, all that shit is it
Speaker 1: was worth it. It was worth every pinny. She's another
Speaker 1: one that I treat like t pay and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: always and forever be there for How was your How
Speaker 1: was your current relationship with her? Oh? Same same? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was it about her? Because I feel like when
Speaker 1: she first came into the game, I don't think we
Speaker 1: really understood how talented she was because she wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: diving into the type of records that fully show us
Speaker 1: her potential. Yeah, her range. Right, So what was it
Speaker 1: about what you saw in her early on that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you were like, oh yeah, nah, yeah. Well
Speaker 1: the thing is I had already recognized all of that,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, if she get the chance
Speaker 1: to be able to express herself as a real artist
Speaker 1: and not be pushed left or right for a label
Speaker 1: telling her what she can and cannot do, she's gonna
Speaker 1: be out here. Wow. Because she's the kind of person
Speaker 1: that creates like movements. And I saw that as we
Speaker 1: was promoting her and how she was creating that monster
Speaker 1: movement in itself. I was like, ooh, this is big
Speaker 1: all we gotta do now, just let her do her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened with the second album, right Yeah.
Speaker 1: First album was like kind of like the first album
Speaker 1: was pushed more between me and Red One, giving her
Speaker 1: the sound that we felt could break her through and
Speaker 1: it worked and it worked, and then the second album
Speaker 1: was really more her taking over saying okay, thank you
Speaker 1: guys for the you know, training wheels, Now I'm a
Speaker 1: go disc Because like, was bad Rooman's on the second album,
Speaker 1: I was on the first. Oh it was on the
Speaker 1: first Oh shit, that's one of my favorite songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a legend, man, She's a legend without a Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy if you think of like Lady Guy
Speaker 1: got t pain. Everyone's career you've been involved in it's
Speaker 1: been Who else was on your ship? Was Kobe? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Kobe was there. He was actually supposed to have been. Well,
Speaker 1: he was the first, Justin Bieber put it that way. No,
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember doing that when I was an intern.
Speaker 1: I did a high school mixed tour with him. It
Speaker 1: was so crazy, man, we did. But you know, his
Speaker 1: dad was there, and I just remember his dad being
Speaker 1: a weirdo. I remember being like, Yo, that Kobe kids
Speaker 1: cool as fuck, but his pop's kind of strange. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: his father was the reason for his downfall. And I
Speaker 1: hate to say it out loud, but unfortunately that was
Speaker 1: the only thing his His father is very over zealous
Speaker 1: and kind of lived him. His his his dream through
Speaker 1: Kobee because he had some dope records. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think he's still I think he's still writing records. Was man,
Speaker 1: that's the only only project. Knowing what I know today,
Speaker 1: I would have moved differently. I know that at the time,
Speaker 1: I would have definitely went back and forth with the pops.
Speaker 1: But because it was father and son, you don't really
Speaker 1: want to get in the middle of blood when it
Speaker 1: comes to money, Yes, you could get weird. I would
Speaker 1: have definitely intervened. I know it would have ended up
Speaker 1: the way it did. That's yeah, I get that. Uh
Speaker 1: what you know there's certain artists. Correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But you and Jay never did anything together. Me and
Speaker 1: j don't work together. Just crazy. It is crazy. It's
Speaker 1: not like even me. I'm like how I've worked with
Speaker 1: every artist in the globe except jay Z till this day.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it never got close to happening.
Speaker 1: It never was even acquired. Wow. Because the thing is,
Speaker 1: I think I think it was the the timing in
Speaker 1: each other's careers because at the time when I was
Speaker 1: in at peak musically and moving some way, he was
Speaker 1: moving to the executive executive right jam, And I think
Speaker 1: it was that timing at the moment when I'm going
Speaker 1: this way, He's going this way. Yeah, he'd rather have
Speaker 1: you do a record for one of his artists, right,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, Because at that time I was producing
Speaker 1: records for deaf Jam and all that. I even got
Speaker 1: to the point where my brother was in death Jam
Speaker 1: at the same time, So it was like I think
Speaker 1: it was. But to his dad, I never understood why
Speaker 1: didn't have happened? Yeah, I mean because, yeah, you got
Speaker 1: records with everybody else, right, Fuck? I never understood that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you give Eminem one of his best club records. He's
Speaker 1: ever I feel like Smacked. That's a song that like
Speaker 1: still gets played at like fucking eleven pm at whatever
Speaker 1: club you go. Ya. But see what it was interesting
Speaker 1: because every record I ever put out I actually produced
Speaker 1: except Smack. That really did Eminem produced that record. I
Speaker 1: missed Eminem when he was crazy, Yeah, I missed I
Speaker 1: missed the Eminem producer era when he was producing a
Speaker 1: lot of his own ship. Yeah. I know, his beats
Speaker 1: weren't the craziest, but his beats were like very distinct.
Speaker 1: You heard it and you knew his sound. He knew it, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that's dope. At least got his
Speaker 1: own skins. Remember he was doing he was He produced Renegade,
Speaker 1: he produced the Cross for Nas on God's Son. He
Speaker 1: produced a lot of dope ship. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think he got I don't know if he got
Speaker 1: away from it, or maybe I'm tripping or he just
Speaker 1: stopped sounding like that. But I feel like the last
Speaker 1: album had a lot of his own ship that I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, That's what I was always had. There's
Speaker 1: always some small little sounds that thing. It was something
Speaker 1: minute that you just I think it was like it
Speaker 1: felt like I was like, oh this eminemb. I can
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Speaker 1: Uh okay, talk to me about your your crypto project
Speaker 1: A coin a coin. Now he just help me understand,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people are down on
Speaker 1: crypto in general. NFTs have taken a shit the whole
Speaker 1: entire whole market fil well, the whole entire space is
Speaker 1: like it felt a little predatory, right, So I feel
Speaker 1: like you've gotten some negative feedback for your project. Explain
Speaker 1: your project and why it is obviously, is it still
Speaker 1: going on? Is that's the thing? A coin is an
Speaker 1: African coin, Okay, So most of the things that's happening
Speaker 1: in the US, it doesn't really affect us because we
Speaker 1: have our own currency in mind. Was turning mobile minutes
Speaker 1: into currency because out there you have to fi your
Speaker 1: minutes still, right, Yeah, so it's a whole nother concept,
Speaker 1: whole number you know, like our exchange rate for minutes
Speaker 1: don't even exist in America, Like because they don't, you
Speaker 1: can't turn your mobile minutes into actual spending money here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because bandwidin Africa is like less, it's so much less.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people don't know that cell phones
Speaker 1: have been operating in Africa since ninety six, way before
Speaker 1: he was even operating here in America. Like they so
Speaker 1: advanced when it comes to mobile and the kind of
Speaker 1: technology have mobile carriers is just on a different level.
Speaker 1: So your coin, if somebody has a phone plan in
Speaker 1: Africa and maybe they don't use one, hundred minutes for
Speaker 1: the month exactly. They can convert those for groceries exactly. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's dope. Yeah, so it's it's totally different. But now
Speaker 1: we're converting the wallet to where you can be able
Speaker 1: to use it in the States and I'll be launching
Speaker 1: that before the end of the year. Oh that's dope.
Speaker 1: And now what about just the city that everyone says
Speaker 1: you're building Wakanda? Yeah, it was Akanda. Now I'm just joking.
Speaker 1: It's Acon City. But I play on that because the
Speaker 1: movie kind of actually, believe it or not, the movie
Speaker 1: did a lot for Akon City because people never knew
Speaker 1: that Africa could even be or could look like that,
Speaker 1: not realizing that we were already in process of building
Speaker 1: a smart city already before the movie was So before
Speaker 1: the movie came out, you were already in the worst
Speaker 1: concepts in twenty ten. Wow. Yeah, but we just were
Speaker 1: literally just starting to construction. That's beautiful, man, that's a
Speaker 1: serious thing to build a city, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: get the funding for that? Besides Lady Gaga. It's more
Speaker 1: the preparation though, right, you know, so when you start
Speaker 1: dealing with all these major developers globally and then you
Speaker 1: start dealing them with the studies, like from the environmental
Speaker 1: studies all the way down to soil studies. You gotta have,
Speaker 1: you gotta have all that stuff. Me I learned so
Speaker 1: much in the process of this. I mean, building a
Speaker 1: house is one thing, but when you talk about building
Speaker 1: the city, the infrastructure that's attached to that is on
Speaker 1: a different level. Then we're talking about smart city with
Speaker 1: technology that people don't even know exists yet, right, you know,
Speaker 1: so it was what technology doesn't exist yet? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to write you out of the city.
Speaker 1: A lot of I got to keep under closed nda conversations,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, when y'all finally are invited,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a treat. Well, everyone get internet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, everyone don't have internet.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's beautiful. How many square miles
Speaker 1: one square mile? One square mile? So it'll be very
Speaker 1: small community. It starts off in it, but it's set
Speaker 1: up to where it can scale out. Wow. Yeah, that's dope. Man. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: salute to you. Man. You know, I'm excited about it, though,
Speaker 1: ship I'm trying to go No, you will you mean
Speaker 1: you definely go to be obviously it's somebody who uh
Speaker 1: never really made afrobeats, but to see as an African,
Speaker 1: to see it be I mean, I just talked to
Speaker 1: somebody last night. Burna Boy was the number one song
Speaker 1: in urban radio and it got overtaken by Thames right se,
Speaker 1: which is so fired rights so far? How how dope
Speaker 1: is it? Just to see afrobeat be like the new
Speaker 1: just it's kind of like what everyone's doing, even if
Speaker 1: you're not from apt like, it's just the it's just
Speaker 1: music now, it's not an African. Yeah, And that was
Speaker 1: one of our music fights. Yeah, yeah, one of our
Speaker 1: biggest fights was just introducing it into the you know,
Speaker 1: into the world. And then once it was introduced, okay,
Speaker 1: don't quite generalize it because I remember when it was first,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember that when I was trying to
Speaker 1: shop whiz Kid over at Sony and it's like two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, and if people don't know whiz Kids
Speaker 1: like an og everybody thought it was I mean, they
Speaker 1: thought it was reggae music, right, But at that time,
Speaker 1: it wasn't no information, so you didn't you never really knew.
Speaker 1: But ultimately it was always a fight. But then when
Speaker 1: it worked in the UK, it opened up the door.
Speaker 1: And then when YouTube became super popular, that's what did it.
Speaker 1: Social media and YouTube is what opened the doors for
Speaker 1: afrobeat to actually shine. Yeah, because YouTube is the biggest
Speaker 1: platform people consume music on in Africa. Right, it's there,
Speaker 1: and I think it's audio Mac is there too because
Speaker 1: it doesn't take a lot of bandwid yea audio Max there.
Speaker 1: It's huge in Africa. Yeah, so you were fucking with
Speaker 1: Whiskey in twenty ten? Was he signed to you or
Speaker 1: were you just helping him out? I's sign him in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. So you signed Whisky in eight?
Speaker 1: That's crazy back in the way it's a con liver
Speaker 1: or to convict. No, that's that's convict Africa. Wow, So
Speaker 1: how well explain it? Because now he's a global superstar,
Speaker 1: he's super super super bowl, so you sign him. Obviously
Speaker 1: he was probably buzzing where he's from. Like, how did
Speaker 1: you guys initially meet and what ended up happening? Well,
Speaker 1: so what happened was when I went to Africa after
Speaker 1: the World Cup, we were looking for ways that we
Speaker 1: can take the local music branch it off. So at
Speaker 1: that time, it was the local music was so traditional
Speaker 1: musically that it wouldn't break outside of Nigeria, Ghana anywhere, right,
Speaker 1: So we started adding like commercialized music and music like
Speaker 1: instruments around her. Like, we commercialized a lot of it.
Speaker 1: So it went from Afro beat to afro pop. Wow,
Speaker 1: basically you follow. So once we did that, then we
Speaker 1: signed We signed it whiz Kid first. Then after that
Speaker 1: was another group called Peace Square. Pea Square was two
Speaker 1: twins that came out of Nigeria. They ended up becoming
Speaker 1: the poster childs of Africa beat at that time. As
Speaker 1: a group, they were the biggest streaming selling all of that.
Speaker 1: But that was all of us pushing that point. Wow.
Speaker 1: As that went more popular, whiz Kid as a solo
Speaker 1: artist just became bigger and bigger because he had the
Speaker 1: whole Feloff vibe like the younger generation swag, you know.
Speaker 1: So as that started moving, everything else started branching as
Speaker 1: we went. As we were signing acts and pushing them over,
Speaker 1: then it was like, okay, so now that this is
Speaker 1: huge in Africa, let's start chopping it and shopping it
Speaker 1: in America, right, And that's when all the other records
Speaker 1: started coming about but we just couldn't get the US
Speaker 1: labels to catch it. They didn't get it yet you
Speaker 1: were ahead of your time. Yeah, they didn't get it,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't. It really kind of took the
Speaker 1: UK hopping on board. And then I really feel like
Speaker 1: he played a huge role when Drake did One Dance
Speaker 1: because Drake was so heavily influenced about what was going
Speaker 1: on in the UK and afrobeats. But I feel like
Speaker 1: One Dance made like America okay with the sound, They're like, oh, Drake,
Speaker 1: did you know what I mean? I feel like labels
Speaker 1: look at shit in a shallow way like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the labels probably looked at the success of the One
Speaker 1: Dance with Drake and then but Drake, Whizz, Drake already
Speaker 1: knew how big it was. That's why he did in
Speaker 1: the first place, Like he already knew what it was.
Speaker 1: So what end it happened? Happening with you and Whiz kids.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, right now, Wiz is no longer signed to us,
Speaker 1: but we're still affiliates and work all his records internationally
Speaker 1: along with Sunday. At what point in time did you
Speaker 1: guys split on the label side Ten years after Wow,
Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen. Oh shit, that's not I think I
Speaker 1: interviewed him in twenty eighteen, Yeah, right around. I think
Speaker 1: he was on to show that if he was in
Speaker 1: lad he was the reason why you got here. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That was that was his first run in
Speaker 1: the US. Are you still getting a piece of wiz Kid? No?
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no, no no no. But the kind
Speaker 1: of relationship we have with all of our artists, even
Speaker 1: after they no longer on the label, we still bring work,
Speaker 1: we still commission from it. So I always try to
Speaker 1: keep a relationship to where it's not a boss employee
Speaker 1: type of you know, relationship. It's always been a partnership
Speaker 1: and oftentimes it's certain things that we as convict music
Speaker 1: just do better than anybody else. So they always come
Speaker 1: to us for certain services and we always be attached
Speaker 1: to them. Okay, take me back. Let's say hypothetically, I'm
Speaker 1: an independent rapper. I happen to be a drug dealer.
Speaker 1: I got stupid money. Money is not a problem. I'm
Speaker 1: a rapper in two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, I hate a convict music, and
Speaker 1: I'm like I need the acon special I need the song,
Speaker 1: I need the hook, I need everything. What do you
Speaker 1: hit me upside the head? For two hundred thousand? Now
Speaker 1: does that increase if it's a major label. It's two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, whether it's major or not. Wow, two hundred k.
Speaker 1: The price didn't change. Plus you get your pub Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you get everything's supposed to get. That's just
Speaker 1: for our services. That's amazing. Two hundred k. You were
Speaker 1: doing a lot of those. Oh, we did a lot
Speaker 1: of those. It was the busiest year you had. The
Speaker 1: busiest year was I mean years. The busiest years was
Speaker 1: from two thousand and five to two thousand and nine. Wow,
Speaker 1: five good years. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, you had it. Man.
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear that from radio programmers? They everyone
Speaker 1: I went to. I mean I remember they had created
Speaker 1: even this. I don't know if it was a law,
Speaker 1: but it was a little system. It was whatever you're
Speaker 1: about to say, it was a real thing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because like an ACN rule, right, okay, you can't play
Speaker 1: at I want to say. It was Acon and T
Speaker 1: pain you can't be you can't play It was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of thing right. Oh, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that because because because back in the day, there used
Speaker 1: to be artists separation where people would program the logs
Speaker 1: for radio station. And at one point in time it
Speaker 1: was you and Pain and then once the Wayne shit
Speaker 1: really took off, it kind of all intersected and then
Speaker 1: it was like, there's no way this is possible. We can't.
Speaker 1: It just didn't make sense. And then fucking t Paint
Speaker 1: and Wayne or On got money together, and that's just
Speaker 1: the double fuck you to program the records because it's like,
Speaker 1: how do we program this fucking song? They're both on it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It was fucking crazy, man. What so tell
Speaker 1: me about smack that because you said that that's the
Speaker 1: only song that dropped that you didn't produce. Did Eminem
Speaker 1: send you that beat? No? No? Actually, when I went
Speaker 1: to visit M in Detroit, he was like, so what
Speaker 1: you want to do? I said, am I want to
Speaker 1: do whatever you want to do. I want you. I
Speaker 1: want to come into your world. Like yeah, because if
Speaker 1: I bring into my world, it won't be no differences
Speaker 1: out there now. He was like, all right, well, you
Speaker 1: know I got some beats. I said, nigga, you produce
Speaker 1: He said yeah. I said, we'll play with some tracks.
Speaker 1: He gave me a photo with like thirty tracks on there,
Speaker 1: and out of the thirty, I picked five, and out
Speaker 1: of five I recorded all five. But the one that
Speaker 1: stood out smack smacked that. Yeah. I was like, bro,
Speaker 1: this is it? Are you I was there? Are you
Speaker 1: still actively doing the production thing? Oh? Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: That that never changed. You know, like a lot of
Speaker 1: the records that you got that you're hearing out now
Speaker 1: got something to do with you and eminem here smack
Speaker 1: that it gets laid down. Are you there when he
Speaker 1: records his verses? Well, actually, once he heard my concept
Speaker 1: to it, then he was like, yo, I'm jumping on
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, And I said, you know what if
Speaker 1: he jumps on this one, this is the single? Oh
Speaker 1: it was the single because that was your record, right,
Speaker 1: that wasn't his record? Yeah, yep, it was my record. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You guys had more than one record, just one. That's
Speaker 1: the only one we had together. Yeah, besides the other
Speaker 1: five that didn't But I still have them. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's like I literally still have those records today. Is
Speaker 1: there any songs that never dropped that you have on
Speaker 1: a hard drive that you were like, Man, if this
Speaker 1: would ever came together the right way. Those are all
Speaker 1: the records that's going to drop in the future, Like
Speaker 1: did I that I'm romoting now? These are all records
Speaker 1: that was recorded that I knew for a fact was
Speaker 1: smash hits, but I didn't want it was reasons why
Speaker 1: I didn't drop him at that time and time and
Speaker 1: also made a difference to it. Also, like you make
Speaker 1: timeless records, so it doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1: If you turn on the radio right now, you might
Speaker 1: hear I want to love you, or you might want
Speaker 1: to you might hear I mean shit, maybe I'm back
Speaker 1: where it depends on what part of the country. You're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna hear sol Survivor, Yeah, yeah, do you. I
Speaker 1: feel like Soul Survivor did so much for Jeez because
Speaker 1: obviously had and then what which I think was the
Speaker 1: first single off Team one one, but it was like
Speaker 1: it was it was a dope club record, dope street record.
Speaker 1: But to me, Soul Survivor just changed the whole narrative
Speaker 1: because there was this guy who everyone knew was the
Speaker 1: street rapper. He was in Boys in the Hood and
Speaker 1: he had an undeniable hit record like Soul Survivor is
Speaker 1: probably one of my favorite hooks you've ever done. Like
Speaker 1: that record is special, man, And you made the beat
Speaker 1: that beats crazy it was. That's one of your best
Speaker 1: beats too, Deniably that shit's hard. Yeah, it's one of
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Speaker 1: as you can see, I shaved my head in the
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Speaker 1: You got just a little bit more, you know? I got?
Speaker 1: I got this fucking eminem hairline. My dad's all this fuck.
Speaker 1: So I don't go to the barber. I just go
Speaker 1: to my bathroom. And I just shaved my head twice
Speaker 1: a week. I haven't shaved it about a week and
Speaker 1: a half. But like you obviously have hair. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: oh no, I went to Turkey. I went to Turkey
Speaker 1: and got a procedure. Was it pain don't forget. In
Speaker 1: the beginning, my whole front was loose. It was real thing.
Speaker 1: Was it painful? Nah? No, No, it's the painful part
Speaker 1: is the beginning when they got to number you up.
Speaker 1: That number ain't no joke. What do you speak of?
Speaker 1: Needle like this big NonStop. Did they do the graph
Speaker 1: thing where they take a piece, So that's what they
Speaker 1: did too. Because your ship looked good, looks amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Like Tory Lane should have went to
Speaker 1: your guy. I told Hi, Nigga, I said, toy should
Speaker 1: have cana my man. Yeah, bro, you gotta you know.
Speaker 1: And Turkey's no for Turkey. No, Turkey is known for
Speaker 1: two things. That's hair and teeth. They're really good and
Speaker 1: also being terrible towards Armenia. Shout out to Armenia. I
Speaker 1: love my Armenian brothers and sisters out there, but yeah
Speaker 1: they are no. People go out there and get their
Speaker 1: teeth down or they get their hair done. But hair
Speaker 1: is a specializing hair. People are getting beards now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean beard is a whole. Not Floyd got the
Speaker 1: you know the because me, I can't grow hair on
Speaker 1: my face meet me either, Like I can I go
Speaker 1: facial hair like a twelve year old. It's terrible. It's bad. Dude.
Speaker 1: My son like legitimately, my son's seventeen. He's half Mexican,
Speaker 1: so he's hairy. That motherfucker has way more facial hair
Speaker 1: than me. It's embarrassing in my own house. That is,
Speaker 1: in my own house. It was a hairrier male in
Speaker 1: my own house. Now, I gotta go to Turkey to
Speaker 1: get my ship, right, I gotta get your guys numbers.
Speaker 1: The face is right, though, I'll connect you for sure.
Speaker 1: Was it expensive? Nah, that's the thing. It's so forward.
Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. Yeah, white, I was about to say,
Speaker 1: but for what I did, it would have cost me
Speaker 1: fifty grand. Here in America, I paid Look seventy eight,
Speaker 1: seventy five hundred. That's it. That's it. Are you worried
Speaker 1: about like paying seventy five hundred for something so serious
Speaker 1: when you have the money to do the fifty No?
Speaker 1: Because here they're overcharging anything related to healthcare or any
Speaker 1: kind of medical procedure America. I mean they tag on
Speaker 1: ten times. Because I think some people might be like, well,
Speaker 1: a Kan, you're rich, why not just I'm not, man,
Speaker 1: I work hard for this money. I'm not. I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's fair, you do, because think about it. Even
Speaker 1: the teeth procedures over there here, the same job the
Speaker 1: people are paying forty fifty grand forty they charge you
Speaker 1: five hundred seventy five. I go to Tijana and go
Speaker 1: to the dentist because I work for myself, so I
Speaker 1: don't have insurance. So I just go to TJ get
Speaker 1: some Mexican food, get my teeth worked on it. You
Speaker 1: got veneers the front. Yeah, that was that painful. Nah,
Speaker 1: that was simple. You just woke up from the numbing
Speaker 1: and you were like, shit, look at me. Easy. So
Speaker 1: there's obviously the singles out, but are you you're obviously
Speaker 1: preparing a new album as well. Yeah, the albums. I
Speaker 1: can't wait any features you can. Uh, that's the thing
Speaker 1: because I've been having so many features on my albums.
Speaker 1: This album is less features, right, but the ones that's
Speaker 1: on there makes all the sense in the world. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering all the sense in the world. You have the
Speaker 1: type of records that were so played out, right, Which
Speaker 1: song of yours do you hate the most? Because it
Speaker 1: was just so I think I don't hate any of
Speaker 1: my records, not hate, but just the song that you're
Speaker 1: the most tired of, the one, the one song that
Speaker 1: I've heard so much to the point where I can
Speaker 1: do without hearing it today. Yeah, it will probably be
Speaker 1: smacked at. I feel you, it will probably be no,
Speaker 1: like everywhere I go hear it, and then when I
Speaker 1: walk into any establishment that they're like, oh, ship, he's
Speaker 1: here playing smack that. You have to smack that because
Speaker 1: it's a club record, And I'm sure I am probably
Speaker 1: tired of hearing it too, because I'm sure he gets
Speaker 1: it sing. I really legitimately think that might be Eminem's
Speaker 1: on the club song that, like he had that one
Speaker 1: in the Nate Dog record. What was the Nate Dog
Speaker 1: record he had? That was like, uh, the Nate Dog
Speaker 1: fucking was it? Shake? Shake? Shake that shake that asked
Speaker 1: for me? Yeah, that was it. Yeah, because all his
Speaker 1: other records were more storytelling. No one's playing just lose
Speaker 1: it in the club. Yeah that's true. Depending on which
Speaker 1: club you go to, they might drop lose yourself if
Speaker 1: it's a lot of white folks in there, just to
Speaker 1: get them to sing along to something. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, because he was more of a like a lyricist,
Speaker 1: and then he told a lot of stories. So you're
Speaker 1: getting more play from him on a video channel than
Speaker 1: you would in the club. I want to fuck you
Speaker 1: another classic. Oh yeah. Shout out to Snoop. I remember
Speaker 1: when that song first came out. I had no idea
Speaker 1: that it was dirty because I was just so used
Speaker 1: to the radio. And then when I got the album,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, was that that was on
Speaker 1: Blue Carpet Treatment? Right? Wasn't it on Blue Carpet Treatment? No?
Speaker 1: It was on a convicted album. Okay, okay, But but
Speaker 1: what I did I cleared it so he can have
Speaker 1: it on his album. It was shared it. Yah know
Speaker 1: that that was one of those ones, man, It was
Speaker 1: one of the ones. And you did the beat. Fuck
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Your genius man, Thank you man. I appreciate that. Brother.
Speaker 1: Speaking of geniuses, your brother has been in the past
Speaker 1: a part of Kanye's team. Shout out to Boo, who
Speaker 1: was a music industry legend in his own right. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: He's done a lot in the business. He stood on
Speaker 1: his own independent from you, which is very and that's
Speaker 1: that's what I was proud of the most. At first.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I was like, yo, Boo, like, I
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Speaker 1: I always want to start over and do it all
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Speaker 1: also obviously brothers physically physically brothers. So then I you know,
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, you're right, you got that. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this, Kanye, last couple of weeks with
Speaker 1: just there's so much to the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: It's not something that surprised me obviously. I mean, that's yea,
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Speaker 1: everybody's not like him or think like him, so you
Speaker 1: can't force your opinions on other people. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: and it's so much more that he needs to, you know,
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Speaker 1: may not have affected you, but it's affected other people
Speaker 1: because real lives were lost in the process of these actions.
Speaker 1: So you can't just say white lives matter in the
Speaker 1: case like that. Specifically. Of course, everyone knows that all
Speaker 1: lives matter, but there's a specific history, I mean America
Speaker 1: that just needs to be recognized and acknowledged because of
Speaker 1: the history of black people in this country. That's all
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I think that it's to the point
Speaker 1: where it's like we all recognize that black lives Matter
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Speaker 1: It is a term that racist people use like the roots.
Speaker 1: But to be said, it's also a true term if
Speaker 1: you say it out loud. Factually, yes, everyone's lives matter.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, black lives matter became a
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Speaker 1: if we're being honest, I mean, listen, historically everywhere, man, No,
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, I mean the colonization of parts
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Speaker 1: for the good. But in certain parts in Africa, white
Speaker 1: people are in the projects and the black people are
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Speaker 1: So it depends on what side you want. Part of
Speaker 1: Africa's at I mean, oh that's some South Africa. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: South Africa. The white people now are screaming for quality,
Speaker 1: which is crazy, right, It's like you guys colonize it.
Speaker 1: You guys colonize South Africa. Yeah. Yeah, the UK is
Speaker 1: calling you. Yeah, the UK is like hold up now.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing they could do because they never left
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Speaker 1: of lebron show The Shop, which is an HBO show, right,
Speaker 1: and they decided not to release it because he was
Speaker 1: I guess saying some wild shit, Sam anti semitic shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you probably have a
Speaker 1: better insight to yay than most people, considering how close
Speaker 1: in proximity A brother work for him for people don't
Speaker 1: know your brother manage him for some time, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he managed him for some time. He's not currently managing
Speaker 1: him now, but he does do it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody could manage Kanye. Well, Kanye is unmanageable because
Speaker 1: he pretty much managed himself. All you can do is
Speaker 1: put barricades to help him, protect him. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: only way. That's the only job of a manager around
Speaker 1: ye is to protect him from himself. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: would you, because I think some people they don't know
Speaker 1: him like everyone else does, would you say he's like
Speaker 1: a genuinely a good dude. No, genuinely, he's a really
Speaker 1: good dude, good heart, great intentions. I just think that
Speaker 1: he's in a position where he believes that his opinion
Speaker 1: matters in the world. And when you do that and
Speaker 1: people telling you, well, you don't, your opinion don't matter
Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, And you're forcing your opinion to
Speaker 1: matter in their life, but not getting all the details
Speaker 1: of why his opinion matter in your life. It can
Speaker 1: create an issue when you're too confident, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you're like so sure that you're right and
Speaker 1: everyone else is wrong. Exactly. It's like that eliminates any
Speaker 1: nuance or discussion to be had about any particular issue
Speaker 1: because you're saying this is my way because I'm Kanye
Speaker 1: and I'm a fucking genius. Because you know, without taking
Speaker 1: anything from you, he's been through a whole spiritual journey,
Speaker 1: so he's seen things that the average man didn't see.
Speaker 1: Like I honestly believe that he's went through spiritually a
Speaker 1: journey that average people don't go. He really did. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, when you believe that people understand you
Speaker 1: the way you understand you, that one becomes an issue
Speaker 1: because not everybody understand his position. And when you're trying
Speaker 1: so hard to explain it to people who will never
Speaker 1: get it because they have to go through your journey
Speaker 1: to get it, it becomes an uphill battle trying to
Speaker 1: you know, and people have to give you the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt that you're what you're saying isn't what
Speaker 1: you're saying, that you have a bigger message behind it,
Speaker 1: And when you say certain shit that he says recently,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't really care what your thought process was, right, right,
Speaker 1: and you're and you don't care enough right exactly, so
Speaker 1: that's when that's when everyone takes it personal, and when
Speaker 1: it goes personally, then it's hard to talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Okay. Can you tell us any of the
Speaker 1: features on the project? You said that they make sense? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna kind of as they drop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that that that approached to me because
Speaker 1: I want to leave a little bit of sense of mystery,
Speaker 1: because nowadays social media allow you to leave no mystery.
Speaker 1: You know everything before it even happened. You know, the
Speaker 1: video before it even shot, because at the video shoot,
Speaker 1: everybody shooting, and then it's seen the video scenes and
Speaker 1: I know how everything will be broadcasted. So I said,
Speaker 1: the only thing I can control that I can at
Speaker 1: least give something something some some people something to look
Speaker 1: forward to. Is who's going to be on the album?
Speaker 1: How many records did you cut with Dre for the
Speaker 1: Detox Ship, because wasn't one of the only records we got,
Speaker 1: weren't you on? Yeah? Actually the last two record that
Speaker 1: he was putting out for the Detox the records that
Speaker 1: I produced or a rode on. Yeah. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't think we're ever gonna hear the quote unquote detox.
Speaker 1: But I was lucky. I was blessed. Yeah, we heard
Speaker 1: your ship. Two records that I've you know, been released on.
Speaker 1: One of them was the Uh I'm so bad with titles.
Speaker 1: It was me and Snoop and Dre. I remember that one.
Speaker 1: I forget the name of it to wait man. Remember Cush, Yeah, Cush,
Speaker 1: it was Cush. And then the second one was Cush
Speaker 1: was Hard. What was the other one? That one was
Speaker 1: just Dre and Snoop and I was on the chorus
Speaker 1: as well on that one. I don't remember the other one.
Speaker 1: I remember Cush is the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: Cush was a monster that it was hard and it
Speaker 1: could have like to me, Cush was the type of
Speaker 1: record because he did that one and then he tried
Speaker 1: to put out that I need a doctor record and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're getting singles, this should equal
Speaker 1: in the albums. Yeah. Dre is just such a you know, perfectionist.
Speaker 1: I think he's too perfect for himself, I think. And
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fear involved as to not
Speaker 1: being number one as well too, Like if he puts
Speaker 1: the album out and it's not number one, right, I
Speaker 1: think that had a lot to do and and again
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking for him, and I could be completely wrong,
Speaker 1: but from the outside looking in, it felt like he
Speaker 1: put too much on himself to succeed and be successful
Speaker 1: when I thought, you sack yourself out. Yeah, I believe
Speaker 1: personally that he don't need it, like he has nothing
Speaker 1: to prove to anybody. To me as the greatest producer
Speaker 1: out of the West Coast and influence, and when it
Speaker 1: comes to hip hop and gangster music that no matter
Speaker 1: what he would have dropped, everybody would have thirst it up.
Speaker 1: They'll took it in. I think when you have the
Speaker 1: first two chronics being as perfect as they were, right,
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. It's like Michael Jackson trying
Speaker 1: to outdo Thriller. Right. Some projects are meant to just
Speaker 1: embrace a group of people a certain way, and some
Speaker 1: it may not be statistically number one for what he
Speaker 1: may see it, but it may be a body of
Speaker 1: work that may incorporate or you can say, uh impact
Speaker 1: of certain types or a certain group of people that
Speaker 1: might change the world. So every record may do something
Speaker 1: totally different. I don't think change the course of music
Speaker 1: or changed the course of life. Right, So when you
Speaker 1: look at Bob Marley and his music. For instance, his
Speaker 1: music changed wars in Africa and in the Caribbeans and
Speaker 1: also also as say later on, But those records weren't
Speaker 1: number one on the charge, no, but the right, and
Speaker 1: I think Dre has he has to see it from
Speaker 1: that standpoint too. His records could have changed the mindset
Speaker 1: of gangsters, especially this generation because this generation is fucked up.
Speaker 1: This generations as fucked But Dre was actually kicking a
Speaker 1: little bit of knowledge in the mix of all of that,
Speaker 1: like you can actually get some perspective. And I think
Speaker 1: when he stopped it kind of changed the course of
Speaker 1: the direction of where the future gangsters were going. That's fair, yes,
Speaker 1: rough right now with just all the violence and it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's deep, uh yo. When we think of we talked
Speaker 1: about you, we talked about pain. There's been other artists
Speaker 1: who have had their runs and been called the new
Speaker 1: Akon a few times, guys like ty Dolla Sign. There's
Speaker 1: been a few guys who are like been the hook
Speaker 1: guy in hip hop at the time. It feels like
Speaker 1: every four or five years we get a new guy
Speaker 1: who they compare to you or paying I love it.
Speaker 1: Who do you appreciate just as a fan that you
Speaker 1: just like that that kind of reminds you of maybe
Speaker 1: the early and I don't know if anybody can actually
Speaker 1: you actually mentioned him. I love Todd Dollars. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a legend, man. I love Todas And he's a talent,
Speaker 1: like one of the most talented guys. Super I think
Speaker 1: he's probably the most underrated. I agree, like this dude
Speaker 1: is so amazing, man, Like, he's so dope and he
Speaker 1: can switch into any genre, like toss anything in front
Speaker 1: of me and flip it and kill it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's definitely one of those. But I
Speaker 1: think if I had to think, but that was that
Speaker 1: was a little coming off of my generation. I think
Speaker 1: another one that's super underrated is Tory Lanez. Toy's incredible.
Speaker 1: He's another beast. Yeah, like on a different level. His
Speaker 1: new album's fired too, you know, like that kid never
Speaker 1: missed me, Like he's really and he had to always
Speaker 1: go against because he's fighting that Canadian. And then Drake
Speaker 1: is always obviously the number one artists out there and
Speaker 1: he's he's also had an interesting come up, like he
Speaker 1: was people don't know changed the course he was undershown
Speaker 1: Kingston for a little bit. He kind of was like
Speaker 1: a behind the scenes guy with the pen dropping his
Speaker 1: mixtapes and like, I feel like Tory has always had
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder, and you know, not a
Speaker 1: lot of people can drop independently, and so that'd be
Speaker 1: the number one album of the week, like he just
Speaker 1: did with. I think his talent always supersedes people's expectations.
Speaker 1: That's fair. I really believe that, you know, I think
Speaker 1: he does. He definitely did. But I think the best
Speaker 1: that ever did it of this time and me being
Speaker 1: allowed to see it was Drake. Yeah, honestly believe that,
Speaker 1: because his consistency to me was amazing. You know, Drake's
Speaker 1: an alien. Yeah, he's an alien. For he's the biggest
Speaker 1: rapper ever. He's the biggest. I didn't say he's greatest,
Speaker 1: but he's the biggest. He's the biggest. He's long, honestly
Speaker 1: with that's to be debated too, because I think as
Speaker 1: far as him being the greatest, I'm talking about I'm
Speaker 1: talking about just the amount of time, because I think peak,
Speaker 1: but even amount of fifty even in the amount of time,
Speaker 1: he's still consistent. No, I'm saying He's like, it's not
Speaker 1: like we've never looked at Drake since like O nine
Speaker 1: and said, Yo, are you falling off Drake? Never, not once,
Speaker 1: Like Drake's always got hits right HEREO exactly successfully because
Speaker 1: no one's been as consistent and been that motherfucker for
Speaker 1: as long. I think there's been peaks and rap where
Speaker 1: people were bigger, like I think Snoop in ninety four
Speaker 1: when Doggy Style came out, I think, uh, fifty, get
Speaker 1: rich of I tried fifty. I don't know, man, that
Speaker 1: was something else. He was a beast. He's another beast.
Speaker 1: Just that juneit two years, that first two years of
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Speaker 1: a friend of mine who just sold their life story
Speaker 1: to FX for a TV show. You have a pretty
Speaker 1: amazing life story considering where you came from to where
Speaker 1: you are now. Would you ever sell your life story
Speaker 1: for a movie purpose or Netflix series or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely planning on doing a life story. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would sell it, I would part or
Speaker 1: produce it yourself. I would I wouldn't produce it myself either,
Speaker 1: but I would definitely partner with the right producers to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, because I feel like we get you know,
Speaker 1: certain stories like a snowfall. Do you watch snowfall? Snowfall?
Speaker 1: It's great. A lot of people say it's about Freeway
Speaker 1: Rick Ross, but but they can't technically say it because
Speaker 1: then they have to cut that man a big check. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Somebody could fuck around and put out like a generic
Speaker 1: version of your story. Yeah, but I mean that's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean because even with music the way like when
Speaker 1: I listen to today's music now, I know for a
Speaker 1: fact that we influenced a lot of what you're hearing today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: had we not left, we probably would have still been
Speaker 1: consistent the same way Drake is now. But I see
Speaker 1: how the music has changed from a standpoint of now.
Speaker 1: R and B is rap because I remember when I
Speaker 1: first dropped, rap was so serious that people were battling.
Speaker 1: It was about lyrics. But then we came and started
Speaker 1: singing what rappers were rapping about, and specifically you, right.
Speaker 1: I always like to say we because I never look
Speaker 1: at it like I'm the because ghetto ghetto was winning
Speaker 1: them once. It's crazy because I told you earlier. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, when I heard that rap phenomenon mixtape
Speaker 1: and Greenland and did whatever remixed it, I thought that
Speaker 1: was the original. And then when I got the album,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, there's a whole other record,
Speaker 1: a whole record. But yeah, you were doing you were
Speaker 1: bringing the I feel like you probably were the first
Speaker 1: person to do that to bring the genres together content
Speaker 1: wise and musically. Obviously, Bone Thugs in Harmony was very melodic,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't consider them like they were making they
Speaker 1: were I wouldn't consider boning the discussion. I would say that,
Speaker 1: like if you look at nowadays, the genres are so
Speaker 1: forged together, like futures making R and B sometimes, like
Speaker 1: Roddy Rich is making R and B records sometimes, like
Speaker 1: so much of the music is now just like it's
Speaker 1: just music, like it's rooted in hip hop or it's
Speaker 1: rooted in R and B. But yeah, it's definitely you know,
Speaker 1: yeah where a Yeah, I love it too, man, So
Speaker 1: do we have an idea when the album's dropping right now?
Speaker 1: I'll probably release the date for the album release, probably
Speaker 1: the next few weeks, next few weeks, yeah, because I've
Speaker 1: been kind of shuffling between do I want to drop
Speaker 1: it in December of this year or I want to
Speaker 1: drop it first of the following year and just take
Speaker 1: that whole year and ride it out. Yeah, before you go,
Speaker 1: can you share just the most interesting god Got story
Speaker 1: you had with her? Maybe maybe it was early on,
Speaker 1: maybe it was when she I don't know where a
Speaker 1: meat dressed to the day, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like a crazy Gogt story you haven't shared yet. I
Speaker 1: think the probably the craziest goy Got stories when we
Speaker 1: went to San Francisco to push a record for the
Speaker 1: first time, and I remember we went to thisdio station,
Speaker 1: you know, and the radio artist, I mean, the radio
Speaker 1: DJ kept asking me about what I got going on,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, you know, it's my new artist.
Speaker 1: Guy got you know, we're pushing it, and they were like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what do you like At the time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold up, I'm here, you I ain't going nowhere. But
Speaker 1: I need the world to understand that this girl right
Speaker 1: here is going to be the biggest artist in the world.
Speaker 1: Right And he had this look on his face like whatever, wow.
Speaker 1: But the beautiful part about it was that he said,
Speaker 1: the only way that I can see that happening is if, obviously,
Speaker 1: if she caters to the you know, uh, the gay
Speaker 1: community basically. And so he was like, so, speaking of you,
Speaker 1: what do you prefer guys or girls? He has heard that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And right before she can open the mouth, I was
Speaker 1: like both and she was like, nigga, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is wrong with You're you serious? Yeah? She's very curious,
Speaker 1: she's colorful. I know she probably wanted to kill me
Speaker 1: at that moment, but at the same time, she kind
Speaker 1: of I think she knew exactly what I was saying,
Speaker 1: and then they kind of elaborated on her and she
Speaker 1: had the best answer and she was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I just I'm I'm just a free spirit.
Speaker 1: And the guy was like, see, we can rock with you.
Speaker 1: What's the plan And they played her record. Wow, I
Speaker 1: mean and it's in San Francisco. Yes, the moment they
Speaker 1: played her record, it became number one on phones the
Speaker 1: same day. Wow. That huge. It was like, I mean
Speaker 1: she's an icon period, but also an icon in that community. Right, no, no,
Speaker 1: she But then it was interesting because as her career developed,
Speaker 1: that became one of her biggest like movements is oh
Speaker 1: yeah they love it that yeah, shout out the shout
Speaker 1: out to the yeah. Yeah. Anyway, listen, man, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you pulling up. I appreciate man. Go get the new
Speaker 1: album whenever it comes out. Yes, it's called Aconic. It'll
Speaker 1: be coming out very very soon. Oh so we got
Speaker 1: the name what is it? Iconic? Oh instead of Iconic.
Speaker 1: I see what you did. I see what you did there? Acon.
Speaker 1: There it is, we got a coin here you go. Wait,
Speaker 1: what's the name of the city, Acon City? Acon City?
Speaker 1: You know you have a real theme going on with
Speaker 1: these business ventures Convict con Live, everything got con in
Speaker 1: somehow buttricit uh No. Actually the African uh side of
Speaker 1: the philanthropy aspect is all energy. And then of course
Speaker 1: we're building entertainment music schools now, so we're taking the
Speaker 1: schools that already exists that's probably beat up or whatever.
Speaker 1: We furbished them and make them, like put the conditions
Speaker 1: very comfortable to where the kids can go and they
Speaker 1: actually have good education. But then we add musical curriculars
Speaker 1: in it as well too. Last thing, I promise you
Speaker 1: are one of the most iconic Africans of all time.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk also is South Africa, North African. Have you
Speaker 1: guys linked up about any of this ship you got
Speaker 1: going on? Interestingly enough, when I was doing the acon
Speaker 1: lighting projects, we actually met up with Tesla to do
Speaker 1: the home kits for those areas in Africa, so we
Speaker 1: did align with Tesla. But me and Elon together, haven'
Speaker 1: have you guys met at all? No, we haven't met. Wow,
Speaker 1: we haven't met. Yeah. His parents were not all the
Speaker 1: same people though, but him have never met yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, because he's from South Africa. From South Africa, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. What part are you from again? I'm in
Speaker 1: West Africa? Yeah, damn, what is it? And it's so
Speaker 1: crazy how Africa's so different depending on what. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: wild man. Well look I appreciate you pulling up a
Speaker 1: con the legend my man. Appreciate you, brother Boom