WEBVTT - Frozen II with Ali Nahdee 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.760 Hi everybody. Jamie here. Hope everyone is well. So, as 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:06.920 you know, we here at the Bottlecast are thrilled to 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.320 bring you movie discussions every week and to continue to 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.600 keep learning with you and learning from you. But we 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.440 also often get questions about how to help and contribute 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.959 outside of the content that our show covers. So I 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.160 just wanted to take a second to quickly recommend seeking 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.000 out projects in your community and getting involved, especially as 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.560 we approach election season. Uh. 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The patriarchy zef invest start changing it with 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.959 the beck Del Cast. Okay, Jamie, do you want to 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.040 start this episode? I was going to, but then I 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.720 couldn't remember a line from any of the songs? Do 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.440 you remember any of the songs? They've been stuck in 0:01:52.480 --> 0:02:03.880 my head and it's very annoying. Um, Okay, I got 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:05.720 I've got one. I got one on. This is gonna 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:11.320 be good. On this episode, we are going into the 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:23.400 into the no disrespect to Idina Menzel. They just make 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.760 her belt so much, They make her belts so through 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:32.160 so much plot in this movie. Truly, All Off doesn't 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.519 make me laugh. But that see and what he just started, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.920 I'm there with you. I'm there with you. So this 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.960 is hello, Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. Everyone. Um, this 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.840 is our movie podcast, in which we examine film through 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.120 an intersectional feminist lens. Spoiler alert, most movies do not 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:59.760 fare well. We took inspiration from the Bechtel Test and that, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:04.320 of course, is a media metric designed by queer cartoonist 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:09.799 Alison Becktel that for our purposes, requires that two people 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.600 of any marginalized gender who have names speak to each 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.040 other about something other than a man. And as we 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.400 as we just talked about in a Twitter exchange today, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.720 they should also both be on screen. In general, that 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.560 is helpful. If they are on screen. Yes, if it's 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:31.160 a disembodied voice, perhaps, um, maybe that doesn't count sometimes, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.760 you know, I mean it's a case to case, but generally, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.839 you know, it does seem like in most cases it's 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.120 the least you could do and ties into the whole 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:50.680 idea of visibility involves being visible. I bravely tread. Wow. Incredible, 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:56.600 thank you. So today we are covering Frozen two. We 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:01.080 have a wonderful guest with us. She is the founder 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:06.040 of the A La test on tumbler. It's Ali Naughty. Hello, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:11.119 I welcome. How's it going good? How are you? Thank 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.840 you so much for being here? Oh, thank you for 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.400 inviting me. I think, uh, it's funny because you guys 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.320 invited me based on my threat. I think on Twitter 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.920 about pocahonas and I was like, you know what, I'd 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.480 rather talk about something I enjoy. I don't enjoy pocon 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.240 Frozen two, So what is what is your relationship with 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:37.560 Frozen two, with the Frozen franchise all of that. So, um, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:42.120 I hated the first movie, which is hilarious. UM. I 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.640 think it's because I was not in the target audience. 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.599 You know, it certainly wasn't made for me. Um. But 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.039 all of my friends really liked it. So I went 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.680 and saw it and was like, really, this is what 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:03.040 you guys were talking about. You know, it wasn't very impressed. UM. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.840 So I when I found out about a Frozen two, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.240 I was like, I don't know if it's going to 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.800 be any good. And then the more information that came 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.080 out about Frozen two, I'm like, oh, tell me more. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.520 So then UM, I saw it and I did not 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.919 expect to like it as much as I did. It 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.920 easily is probably one of my favorite Disney movies. Now 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.560 it's like, Wow, I I can't wait to talk about 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.200 it in this podcast because Wow, there's just so much 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:39.719 to unpack, especially with an indigenous lens um that I 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.560 don't think too many people have talked about. Yeah, not 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.040 from what I found in any like articles written and 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.760 things like that. So yeah, at best it's been it 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.039 was like a passing reference in reviews, but nothing that 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.120 was actually really examined. I don't know. It was kind 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.960 of like surprisingly difficult for a movie that came out 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.400 last year to find like solid written indigenous perspectives on 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.920 this movie, right, And speaking of tell us about the 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.200 Alt tests. So I came up with the alt test 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.920 um when I was living overseas. So I lived in 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:21.800 Finland for about two years from like sixteen to and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.719 around that time was when Standing Rock was happening, and um, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.160 I was so far away anyways, from my family and 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:35.800 my friends and everything, and from any really indigenous Native 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.320 American person, you know, because there are indigenous people in Finland, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:45.599 but you know, and I remember watching like the the 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.640 live streams and everything that was going on in Standing 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:54.400 Rock and feeling, you know, terrified that this could escalate 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.560 into like a third wounded knee, you know, but also wondering, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.000 you know, what can I do? I can't physically be there, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.719 and I'm in another country. You know what's something I 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.760 can do? Because I'm not a I'm not a teacher, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.440 I'm not a historian, I'm not really an activist in 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:18.560 that sense. And I remember this film that I watched 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.920 before I moved to Finland. It was made it's called 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:30.160 Rhymes for Young Ghouls, and it was so different from 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:35.320 any indigenous movie I had watched before. The main character 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.560 played by Davy Jacobs. Her name is Ala, and I 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.760 just saw so much in that character that I had 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:47.160 never seen before in a Native woman on screen. You know, 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.400 she was played by an Indigenous actress. She was on 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:56.000 a reserve, dealt with a period in time in Canada 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.480 that was very traumatic. That is not discuss usta at 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:05.240 all about residential schools and you know, forced assimilation and 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.200 you know, and I went into the film Rhyme streeng 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.640 Goals expecting her to die, really because that's usually what 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:18.840 happens to Native women. You know, that's unfortunate. But she 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.480 survives all of it, like all of it. She's the 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:28.360 main character. She wasn't some white guy's girlfriend. She didn't 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.480 end up raped, she doesn't get killed, I mean, and 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.040 she faces some brutality and some really heavy scenes, but 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.920 she makes it to the end, she survives. And it 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:43.240 was just that film really truly touched me. So when 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.480 I went to see other um movies, you know, other 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.440 indigenous films, and I specifically was looking for, you know, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.800 Native women and their roles in these films, I noticed 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.880 how many were not like Ala in those regards. So 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.680 in order to kind of contribute something, you know, in 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.079 light of standing rockets, like you know, there's gonna be 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.200 a lot of Native people who are going through a 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.880 really tough time right now, maybe this is something fun 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.480 or something a little lighter that we can kind of 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.200 talk about. Because I noticed it hadn't really been discussed 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.760 in a lot of feminist circles when it came to 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.719 film and media representation. So I came up with a 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.000 La test, and like the Bechdel test because it was 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:32.120 inspired by it. She has to be an Indigenous woman 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.839 who is the main character. And by indigenous, I mean 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:42.480 she could be Native American, First Nations Sammy, Maudie, Polynesian. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.920 I knew, you know, any of those indigenous groups, but 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.959 she had to be the main character who wasn't a 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.920 white guy's girlfriend just does not fall in love with 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.960 the white man and doesn't end up raped or murdered 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.839 at any point in the story. And by murdered I 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.800 also mean like killed or dies you know on screen. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.839 And so many don't pass, but the ones that do, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.199 you know, the test is like, hey, you know, check 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.480 out these movies, and you know, the test also has 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.280 its limitations because you can pass the LA test and 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.320 be a great character, but you can pass a LA 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.160 tests and not be a great character either. And there 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:29.199 are several characters who don't pass who are like yikes, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.560 but there are several who pass who are actually really awesome. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.800 So it's just a conversation starter. Not necessarily if you 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:41.880 don't pass, you fail and you're awful. It's just right, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.360 which is how we approach the Bechdel test as well. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.679 So yeah, I'm so glad that that conversation is being 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.600 helped along with this test though. Thank you for inventing it, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.800 Thank you, Thank you to Jeff Barnaby for making the 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.920 movie and Davy Jacobs for being a LA because wow, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.480 change It's on my list of things to watch. I, um, yeah, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.319 we should cover it on the show Come Back. Yes, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:11.719 oh absolutely, And we um not long ago learned of 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.000 the alt test and mentioned it for the first time 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.559 on a on a recent episode that we covered on 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:23.959 the Witch with Guest Janisch meeting, and she had been 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.000 the one to make us aware of your tests. So 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:33.240 the Witch, the Black Philip Goat, Yes, I saw that. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.679 I saw that movie in Philt and it scared the 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.360 hell out of me because I lived her next door 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:42.160 to a cemetery. So I'm like, oh my god, uh 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.920 movie that certainly does not pass the tests. Gracious, it 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:53.400 is horrifying. It is a terrifying one. Yeah. So Jamie, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:58.320 what is your relationship with Frozen two? I hadn't seen 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.600 it yet. I mean I came to the Frozen franchise 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.439 by being a substitute Jim Teacher, which I think I 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.760 talked about on our last Frozen episode where it was 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.480 like the only way to get a child to do 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.079 what you needed them to do was to say that 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.559 you would play let it go if they did it. 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.840 And in a few span of years, Um, so I 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.960 I really only know the franchise as it pertains to 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.760 this show. Really I didn't see those this movie. Um, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.920 when it came out, the conversation around this movie, it 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.240 was like, um, kind of strange and like, I feel 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.840 like what I had generally heard was like it's not 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.760 what you expect and like and it wasn't what I 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.240 was expecting either. I it was I think the more 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.480 I researched this movie, the more I liked it. There 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.680 was when I on first viewing, I was kind of confused. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.480 I and I still am confused in some ways, but um, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:58.080 I wasn't quite sure what they were trying to do 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.440 and like what history they were referencing. And once I 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.040 had a better idea of the history that they were referencing, 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.760 it made way more sense to me. I wish the 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.360 movie did a little more like work and letting you 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.400 know what they're talking about, But I, yeah, I I 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.840 don't know. It's it's I have so much, we have 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:19.240 so much to talk about. I really hoped that my insight, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.360 like my lens into this movie offers some clarification because 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.200 I knew exactly what they were talking about. Was just 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:32.520 like wow, so oh I'm excited. Yes, I'm really excited. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.240 I mean I knew nothing about particularly indigenous cultures in 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.960 this region. I knew less than nothing. And then the 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.400 more I found out down to like the very specific 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.079 reference of a damn being destroyed, and like the center 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.960 of a huge conflict is like a reference based in 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:53.040 his it was Disney was doing better work than I 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.679 expected them too. They did homework, imagine. UM, so I'm 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.640 excited to talk about it. What about you? Caitlin went 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.920 through his read with this franchise. UM. I saw Frozen 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.640 two in theaters when it came out. I see most 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:12.320 Disney movies in theaters, including the live action reboots, which 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.880 are never good, but I keep seeing them anyway. I 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.120 don't know why. Who knows who likes those movies. It 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.440 has to be someone. They all make a billion dollars, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.440 but like I guess children um. But other than that, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.720 like I tend to like most Disney properties and franchises 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:34.320 against my sometimes better judgment, and against despite knowing how 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.560 evil of a corporation Disney is. But when it comes 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.080 to Frozen, I can kind of take it or leave it. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.080 I wasn't attached to the first one. The second one 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.680 I liked better, but I felt like the story was 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.200 pretty muddled. I like the songs, though I like the 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.240 animation overall, I thought it was pretty good. I definitely 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.280 liked the second one better than the first one. I 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:02.080 leave the first one. I mean, now, you guess you 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.120 can refer back to our first episode about it if 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.240 you're a listener that hasn't heard that one. But it's 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.960 so like feminism one oh one of our time that 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.200 it was a little bit like alright, Disney, like we're 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:20.040 making very very slow progress here, aren't we? Um right there? 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:25.280 Like what if sisters like each other? And instead he 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.320 does that? And in little bits where they're like this 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.920 time the like male character is obsessed with the idea 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.720 of marriage and you're like, I don't really know what 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:39.640 if that's a helpful subversion, but sure I have a theory. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.080 Have either of you seen um, the nineties dub of 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:49.040 Sailor Moon, Yes, yes, you know how Sailor you're in 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.520 us and Sailor Neptune we're cousins because they couldn't let 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.800 them be gay. Yes, I think Anna and Elsa are 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:02.400 sisters and the first movie, I'm sorry they were super 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.040 gay and I'm like, I have two sisters, Like, we 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:10.000 don't act like that. Well, there is there was a 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.240 lot of discussion about Elsa's character being kind of queer 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.840 coded or at least like interpreted as queer by the 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.280 queer community, or at least certain members of the queer community. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.440 So um, and some coverage around I think some of 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.720 the there's always because it's such a huge franchise, there's 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.640 always a lot of criticism and I think pieces surrounding it. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.720 And there was another influx of I think pieces questioning 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.800 why they won't explicitly say that Elsa is a queer character. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.000 Um in Frozen two as well, and they but yeah, 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.680 it's kind of the classic Disney like she's single, she's single, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.240 and it's like, can we let her be queer? The 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:57.200 answer with Disney as always is um, yeah, anyway, well 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.480 let's should we dive into the story and then from there, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.880 let's do it all right? So we opened on Elsa 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:12.120 and Anna as children, their father Agner voiced by Jamie 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:18.040 Would you do the honors? Alfred Molina my king. It 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.920 was very exciting to hear I think he has maybe 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.480 the like one of the first spoken lines of dialogue 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.560 after the kids are talking a little and then you 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.080 hear like he is not doing a voice he is 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.639 just speaking. Is Alfred Billina? Uh? And I was like, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.320 oh my god. And then you see, I was kind 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.040 of a little bumped at the how they animated him 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.960 to look it kind of looks like the like what 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.080 it's like king does a picture of like what is 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:45.760 it like called in video games where it's just like 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.160 the stock player, like if you did google image cartoon king. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.479 That's kind of what the king was like. Sure, I 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:58.800 think he should look like King Alfred Molina, but but yes, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.160 it was exciting. Also, he's married to Evan Rachel Wood 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:06.520 in this movie, which you're like, all right, right, who's 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.040 like my age? She's like, you're younger than me or something, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.840 and offered Milena's in his sixties the magic of animation. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.680 So King Agnar comes into the children's room and tells 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:25.280 them about this enchanted forest whose magic was protected by 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:30.600 powerful spirits of air, fire, water, and earth, and it 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.439 was also home to the north Aldre people and the 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:44.919 girl's grandfather king exactly, he had built the north Aldre 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.480 people a damn. But then things took a turn between 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.280 the two groups and the King's men were attacked, or 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.680 so we are led to believe. But a mysterious girl 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:03.159 saves young are during this outbreak of violence, and the 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:09.200 fighting enraged the spirits, which vanished, and then a powerful 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.639 mist covered this forest which has been there ever since, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.000 and the girls on it and Elsa are like, oh no, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.959 will the forest ever wake again? And the parents are like, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.000 I don't know, And then their mother says, only at 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.560 Holland knows Um, which is a river that is said 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.200 to hold all the answers to the past. I will 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.040 say that the children's reaction to this very violent story 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:40.400 is a little insensitive. Uh. They're like, awesome story. Yeah, 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.000 that's true. They're like, oh, cool story. And then it's 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:48.240 you're like, was that a cool story? Um? For them? 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.440 It was. Then we cut to Elsa and Anna as adults, 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:58.120 and Elsa here's this kind of angelic voice singing somewhere 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.120 in the distance, and it seemed to be calling to her, 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.040 and she says, hm hmm, maybe I should follow it 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.240 into the I'm gonna stop singing because I truly have 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.320 the worst yes, which I cannot do give the people 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.840 what they want. And then there's this um kind of 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:22.200 elemental disturbance because also woke up the spirits. I keep 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.119 wanting to call them the Earth, wind, and fire and 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.639 water spirits. It does every time you hear it, you're like, 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.560 you sort of are feeling like you're watching an episode 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:37.080 of Avatar the Last Airbender, and in this story, Elsa 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:44.399 is Avatar. Elsa is also the Fifth Element starring Bruce Willis. 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:52.719 There's a lot of movies Corbon Dallas. So okay, so 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:58.080 the spirits have been awakened and everyone has to evacuate Erondel, 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.679 the Kingdom where on A also live. And then the 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.360 stone Trolls from the first movie show up and their 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.960 leader is like, hey, um, there there's some wrong from 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.240 the past has to be corrected. There's some truth that 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.680 needs to be uncovered about the past. So Elsa I 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.400 was like, okay, we have to go to the enchanted 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.080 forest and find the voice and figure out what happened. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:28.720 So she Anna Christoph and all Off and Swen the Reindeer, 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.800 all of her favorite characters um set off toward the forest. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.040 After a little bit of traveling, they come upon what 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.880 I can only describe as the shimmer from Annihilation. Um, 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.720 what the you know, like the shimmer from the movie Annihilation. 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:50.200 But they have to kind of that's also in this movie, 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.560 and it's this dense mist that they have to pass 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:59.000 through to get into the enchanted forest, and once they're inside, 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.280 the spirits show up. They were starting to reveal some 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:07.199 clues about the past, some of the memories of the past, 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.359 um Elsa manages to tame a couple of them, and 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:16.199 then suddenly a group of North Aldra people and a 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:22.000 small number of Aaron Delian soldiers show up, including Sterling K. Brown. 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.920 Oh my gosh, I had no idea he was the 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.840 voice of that character until I watched the six part 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.440 docuseries on the making of Frozen two on Disney Plus, 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.520 which was a waste of time, but to watch, but 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.159 that is it was helpful and that I learned, um 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.280 that Sterling K. Brown one of my crushes. What is 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.480 in this movie? We both have a crush in the movie, 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:50.640 Yes we do. Alfred and Sterling cute. So all these 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.320 people show up and they've been trapped in this missed 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.240 the whole time, which we find out was like has 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.040 been over thirty four years, which I was I was like, 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:00.960 and then I was like, wait, how older Anna and 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.359 Elsa are we do we know? Are they over thirty? 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.920 Is that is that legal? In a Disney movie. I 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.040 don't think so, because the king their dad was a 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:16.760 little boy. Oh so they're they're okay, classic Disny. They're like, no, no, no, 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.640 no no, I can't have a woman over twenty five. 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.920 The thing is because even canonically in this movie, six 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:27.560 years have passed, because they were repeatedly referencing for reasons 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.160 that I sort of found to be a bit much, 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.679 but they kept referencing the amount of time between the 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.359 first Frozen movie in the second one, which is six years. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:41.480 But somehow Elsa and Anna are still twenty the same age. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.160 Question mark. All these people have converged in the midst 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.000 now and um all off gives us a nice little 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.439 recap of the plot of Frozen one for for everyone 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.760 that's there are multiple boys in this movie where I'm like, okay, 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.439 you're obsessed with the first movie. The first movie was fine, 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:04.720 I don't want talk about it wasn't just like whatever, 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.399 like it's so, but then yeah, Josh, God has to 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.399 recap the whole damn thing, which I did kind of 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.080 enjoy that part. K Brown Um reacts very funny when 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.840 he's like, oh no, pretty cute. So then the North 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.720 Algi people are like, by the way, we are innocent. 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.440 We did not initiate this attack. We would have never 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.520 attacked first. And then a guy who on a recognizes 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:33.960 as Lieutenant Mattias voiced by Sterling K. Brown, who was 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:37.879 their father's guard, says, well, we wouldn't have attacked first either. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:43.280 It wasn't suspicious of the colonizer. Really exactly that. Okay, 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.600 this movie is very funny to me because they have 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.520 to go on this and this whole journey to uncover 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.640 the truth about the past, and it's so quickly. It's 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.840 just like, just look at the variables. You have indigenous 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:59.119 people and you have white colonizers, and a wrong was made. 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.479 What do you thing happened based on all of history? 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:08.359 Liked they probably they probably learned a very you know, 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.520 whitewashed version of history, so you're right, they're full on. 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:13.600 I was hoping, I mean, you know, it's not going 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.239 to happen because it's like Disney. But by the end, 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.240 I'm like, oh, this could be a great chance for 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:22.119 Els and Anna to become like anti imperialists and really 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.520 like be like abolish the monarchy, which of course burned 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:31.840 down their castle. At the end, it's two indigenous people 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.760 as the king and the Queen. So it's like, well, 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:38.120 I mean, captain colonizers in hell mad about that. I'm sure, 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:43.680 I hope so God, I hope right, because it is 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:48.960 Christophe indigenous as well. Yeah, okay, yeah that's what I thought. 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:54.520 So so then the fire spirit attacks all the people, 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:59.400 the little Yeah, it is a little charm mander. They're 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.639 very key. They act like puppies. And then Anna and 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:06.400 Alsa figure out that the girl who saved their father's 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:10.199 life in the forest that day many years ago was 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:15.359 their mother, who they also discover is north Auldra, which 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.840