1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hi everybody. Jamie here. Hope everyone is well. So, as 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, we here at the Bottlecast are thrilled to 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: bring you movie discussions every week and to continue to 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: keep learning with you and learning from you. But we 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: also often get questions about how to help and contribute 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: outside of the content that our show covers. So I 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: just wanted to take a second to quickly recommend seeking 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: out projects in your community and getting involved, especially as 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: we approach election season. Uh. We know that it is 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: not safe for everyone to participate I r L in 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: the middle of a pandemic, of course, but it is 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: really all about finding ways that you're able and comfortable 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: to participate. There's been a number of incredible mutual aid 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: organizations that have developed and expanded in recent months. There's 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: an increased need to assist in areas with increasing rates 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: of people experience saying homelessness in the summer heat, Ongoing 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: grocery delivery services for folks and seniors unable to get 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: to the store amid the pandemic. There's local progressive candidates 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: that you can help phone bake for from your own 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: home if you're not comfortable leaving home, and on and 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: on and on. It is a very stressful time and 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: it can be difficult to find a place to start, 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: but we encourage you to so talk with your friends, 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: find mutual aid efforts in your area by checking out 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: mutual aid hub dot org, and find where you fit. 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: We're always here for support and we love you. So 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 1: let's do this. Enjoy the show. On the dol Cast, 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: the questions asked if movies have women in them, are 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: have individualism? The patriarchy zef invest start changing it with 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: the beck Del Cast. Okay, Jamie, do you want to 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: start this episode? I was going to, but then I 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: couldn't remember a line from any of the songs? Do 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: you remember any of the songs? They've been stuck in 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: my head and it's very annoying. Um, Okay, I got 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: I've got one. I got one on. This is gonna 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: be good. On this episode, we are going into the 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: into the no disrespect to Idina Menzel. They just make 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: her belt so much, They make her belts so through 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: so much plot in this movie. Truly, All Off doesn't 41 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: make me laugh. But that see and what he just started, 42 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm there with you. I'm there with you. So this 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: is hello, Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. Everyone. Um, this 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: is our movie podcast, in which we examine film through 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens. Spoiler alert, most movies do not 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: fare well. We took inspiration from the Bechtel Test and that, 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: of course, is a media metric designed by queer cartoonist 48 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: Alison Becktel that for our purposes, requires that two people 49 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: of any marginalized gender who have names speak to each 50 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: other about something other than a man. And as we 51 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: as we just talked about in a Twitter exchange today, 52 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: they should also both be on screen. In general, that 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: is helpful. If they are on screen. Yes, if it's 54 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: a disembodied voice, perhaps, um, maybe that doesn't count sometimes, 55 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's a case to case, but generally, 56 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: you know, it does seem like in most cases it's 57 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: the least you could do and ties into the whole 58 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: idea of visibility involves being visible. I bravely tread. Wow. Incredible, 59 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: thank you. So today we are covering Frozen two. We 60 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: have a wonderful guest with us. She is the founder 61 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: of the A La test on tumbler. It's Ali Naughty. Hello, 62 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: I welcome. How's it going good? How are you? Thank 63 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: you so much for being here? Oh, thank you for 64 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: inviting me. I think, uh, it's funny because you guys 65 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: invited me based on my threat. I think on Twitter 66 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: about pocahonas and I was like, you know what, I'd 67 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: rather talk about something I enjoy. I don't enjoy pocon 68 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: Frozen two, So what is what is your relationship with 69 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: Frozen two, with the Frozen franchise all of that. So, um, 70 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: I hated the first movie, which is hilarious. UM. I 71 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: think it's because I was not in the target audience. 72 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: You know, it certainly wasn't made for me. Um. But 73 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: all of my friends really liked it. So I went 74 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: and saw it and was like, really, this is what 75 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: you guys were talking about. You know, it wasn't very impressed. UM. 76 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: So I when I found out about a Frozen two, 77 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if it's going to 78 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: be any good. And then the more information that came 79 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: out about Frozen two, I'm like, oh, tell me more. 80 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: So then UM, I saw it and I did not 81 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: expect to like it as much as I did. It 82 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: easily is probably one of my favorite Disney movies. Now 83 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, I I can't wait to talk about 84 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: it in this podcast because Wow, there's just so much 85 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: to unpack, especially with an indigenous lens um that I 86 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: don't think too many people have talked about. Yeah, not 87 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: from what I found in any like articles written and 88 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: things like that. So yeah, at best it's been it 89 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: was like a passing reference in reviews, but nothing that 90 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: was actually really examined. I don't know. It was kind 91 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: of like surprisingly difficult for a movie that came out 92 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: last year to find like solid written indigenous perspectives on 93 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: this movie, right, And speaking of tell us about the 94 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Alt tests. So I came up with the alt test 95 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: um when I was living overseas. So I lived in 96 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: Finland for about two years from like sixteen to and 97 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: around that time was when Standing Rock was happening, and um, 98 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: I was so far away anyways, from my family and 99 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: my friends and everything, and from any really indigenous Native 100 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: American person, you know, because there are indigenous people in Finland, 101 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: but you know, and I remember watching like the the 102 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: live streams and everything that was going on in Standing 103 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: Rock and feeling, you know, terrified that this could escalate 104 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: into like a third wounded knee, you know, but also wondering, 105 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, what can I do? I can't physically be there, 106 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: and I'm in another country. You know what's something I 107 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: can do? Because I'm not a I'm not a teacher, 108 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a historian, I'm not really an activist in 109 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: that sense. And I remember this film that I watched 110 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: before I moved to Finland. It was made it's called 111 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Rhymes for Young Ghouls, and it was so different from 112 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: any indigenous movie I had watched before. The main character 113 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: played by Davy Jacobs. Her name is Ala, and I 114 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: just saw so much in that character that I had 115 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: never seen before in a Native woman on screen. You know, 116 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: she was played by an Indigenous actress. She was on 117 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: a reserve, dealt with a period in time in Canada 118 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: that was very traumatic. That is not discuss usta at 119 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: all about residential schools and you know, forced assimilation and 120 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I went into the film Rhyme streeng 121 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: Goals expecting her to die, really because that's usually what 122 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: happens to Native women. You know, that's unfortunate. But she 123 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: survives all of it, like all of it. She's the 124 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: main character. She wasn't some white guy's girlfriend. She didn't 125 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: end up raped, she doesn't get killed, I mean, and 126 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: she faces some brutality and some really heavy scenes, but 127 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: she makes it to the end, she survives. And it 128 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: was just that film really truly touched me. So when 129 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: I went to see other um movies, you know, other 130 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: indigenous films, and I specifically was looking for, you know, 131 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Native women and their roles in these films, I noticed 132 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: how many were not like Ala in those regards. So 133 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: in order to kind of contribute something, you know, in 134 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: light of standing rockets, like you know, there's gonna be 135 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: a lot of Native people who are going through a 136 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: really tough time right now, maybe this is something fun 137 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: or something a little lighter that we can kind of 138 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: talk about. Because I noticed it hadn't really been discussed 139 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of feminist circles when it came to 140 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: film and media representation. So I came up with a 141 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: La test, and like the Bechdel test because it was 142 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: inspired by it. She has to be an Indigenous woman 143 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: who is the main character. And by indigenous, I mean 144 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: she could be Native American, First Nations Sammy, Maudie, Polynesian. 145 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: I knew, you know, any of those indigenous groups, but 146 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: she had to be the main character who wasn't a 147 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: white guy's girlfriend just does not fall in love with 148 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: the white man and doesn't end up raped or murdered 149 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: at any point in the story. And by murdered I 150 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: also mean like killed or dies you know on screen. 151 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: And so many don't pass, but the ones that do, 152 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: you know, the test is like, hey, you know, check 153 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: out these movies, and you know, the test also has 154 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: its limitations because you can pass the LA test and 155 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: be a great character, but you can pass a LA 156 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: tests and not be a great character either. And there 157 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: are several characters who don't pass who are like yikes, 158 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: but there are several who pass who are actually really awesome. 159 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: So it's just a conversation starter. Not necessarily if you 160 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: don't pass, you fail and you're awful. It's just right, 161 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: which is how we approach the Bechdel test as well. 162 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm so glad that that conversation is being 163 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: helped along with this test though. Thank you for inventing it, 164 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you to Jeff Barnaby for making the 165 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: movie and Davy Jacobs for being a LA because wow, 166 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: change It's on my list of things to watch. I, um, yeah, 167 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: we should cover it on the show Come Back. Yes, 168 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: oh absolutely, And we um not long ago learned of 169 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: the alt test and mentioned it for the first time 170 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: on a on a recent episode that we covered on 171 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: the Witch with Guest Janisch meeting, and she had been 172 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: the one to make us aware of your tests. So 173 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: the Witch, the Black Philip Goat, Yes, I saw that. 174 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: I saw that movie in Philt and it scared the 175 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: hell out of me because I lived her next door 176 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: to a cemetery. So I'm like, oh my god, uh 177 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: movie that certainly does not pass the tests. Gracious, it 178 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: is horrifying. It is a terrifying one. Yeah. So Jamie, 179 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: what is your relationship with Frozen two? I hadn't seen 180 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: it yet. I mean I came to the Frozen franchise 181 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: by being a substitute Jim Teacher, which I think I 182 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: talked about on our last Frozen episode where it was 183 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: like the only way to get a child to do 184 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: what you needed them to do was to say that 185 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: you would play let it go if they did it. 186 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: And in a few span of years, Um, so I 187 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: I really only know the franchise as it pertains to 188 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: this show. Really I didn't see those this movie. Um, 189 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: when it came out, the conversation around this movie, it 190 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: was like, um, kind of strange and like, I feel 191 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: like what I had generally heard was like it's not 192 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: what you expect and like and it wasn't what I 193 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: was expecting either. I it was I think the more 194 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I researched this movie, the more I liked it. There 195 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: was when I on first viewing, I was kind of confused. 196 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: I and I still am confused in some ways, but um, 197 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure what they were trying to do 198 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: and like what history they were referencing. And once I 199 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: had a better idea of the history that they were referencing, 200 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: it made way more sense to me. I wish the 201 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: movie did a little more like work and letting you 202 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, But I, yeah, I I 203 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's I have so much, we have 204 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: so much to talk about. I really hoped that my insight, 205 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: like my lens into this movie offers some clarification because 206 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: I knew exactly what they were talking about. Was just 207 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: like wow, so oh I'm excited. Yes, I'm really excited. 208 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean I knew nothing about particularly indigenous cultures in 209 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: this region. I knew less than nothing. And then the 210 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: more I found out down to like the very specific 211 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: reference of a damn being destroyed, and like the center 212 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: of a huge conflict is like a reference based in 213 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: his it was Disney was doing better work than I 214 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: expected them too. They did homework, imagine. UM, so I'm 215 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: excited to talk about it. What about you? Caitlin went 216 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: through his read with this franchise. UM. I saw Frozen 217 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: two in theaters when it came out. I see most 218 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: Disney movies in theaters, including the live action reboots, which 219 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: are never good, but I keep seeing them anyway. I 220 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: don't know why. Who knows who likes those movies. It 221 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: has to be someone. They all make a billion dollars, 222 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: but like I guess children um. But other than that, 223 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: like I tend to like most Disney properties and franchises 224 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: against my sometimes better judgment, and against despite knowing how 225 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: evil of a corporation Disney is. But when it comes 226 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: to Frozen, I can kind of take it or leave it. 227 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't attached to the first one. The second one 228 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: I liked better, but I felt like the story was 229 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: pretty muddled. I like the songs, though I like the 230 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: animation overall, I thought it was pretty good. I definitely 231 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: liked the second one better than the first one. I 232 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: leave the first one. I mean, now, you guess you 233 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: can refer back to our first episode about it if 234 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: you're a listener that hasn't heard that one. But it's 235 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: so like feminism one oh one of our time that 236 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: it was a little bit like alright, Disney, like we're 237 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: making very very slow progress here, aren't we? Um right there? 238 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: Like what if sisters like each other? And instead he 239 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: does that? And in little bits where they're like this 240 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: time the like male character is obsessed with the idea 241 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: of marriage and you're like, I don't really know what 242 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: if that's a helpful subversion, but sure I have a theory. 243 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: Have either of you seen um, the nineties dub of 244 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: Sailor Moon, Yes, yes, you know how Sailor you're in 245 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: us and Sailor Neptune we're cousins because they couldn't let 246 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: them be gay. Yes, I think Anna and Elsa are 247 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: sisters and the first movie, I'm sorry they were super 248 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: gay and I'm like, I have two sisters, Like, we 249 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: don't act like that. Well, there is there was a 250 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: lot of discussion about Elsa's character being kind of queer 251 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: coded or at least like interpreted as queer by the 252 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: queer community, or at least certain members of the queer community. 253 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: So um, and some coverage around I think some of 254 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: the there's always because it's such a huge franchise, there's 255 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: always a lot of criticism and I think pieces surrounding it. 256 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: And there was another influx of I think pieces questioning 257 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: why they won't explicitly say that Elsa is a queer character. 258 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: Um in Frozen two as well, and they but yeah, 259 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of the classic Disney like she's single, she's single, 260 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: and it's like, can we let her be queer? The 261 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: answer with Disney as always is um, yeah, anyway, well 262 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: let's should we dive into the story and then from there, 263 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: let's do it all right? So we opened on Elsa 264 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: and Anna as children, their father Agner voiced by Jamie 265 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: Would you do the honors? Alfred Molina my king. It 266 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: was very exciting to hear I think he has maybe 267 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: the like one of the first spoken lines of dialogue 268 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: after the kids are talking a little and then you 269 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: hear like he is not doing a voice he is 270 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: just speaking. Is Alfred Billina? Uh? And I was like, 271 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: oh my god. And then you see, I was kind 272 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: of a little bumped at the how they animated him 273 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: to look it kind of looks like the like what 274 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: it's like king does a picture of like what is 275 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: it like called in video games where it's just like 276 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: the stock player, like if you did google image cartoon king. 277 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 1: That's kind of what the king was like. Sure, I 278 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: think he should look like King Alfred Molina, but but yes, 279 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: it was exciting. Also, he's married to Evan Rachel Wood 280 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: in this movie, which you're like, all right, right, who's 281 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: like my age? She's like, you're younger than me or something, 282 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: and offered Milena's in his sixties the magic of animation. 283 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: So King Agnar comes into the children's room and tells 284 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: them about this enchanted forest whose magic was protected by 285 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: powerful spirits of air, fire, water, and earth, and it 286 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: was also home to the north Aldre people and the 287 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: girl's grandfather king exactly, he had built the north Aldre 288 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: people a damn. But then things took a turn between 289 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: the two groups and the King's men were attacked, or 290 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: so we are led to believe. But a mysterious girl 291 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: saves young are during this outbreak of violence, and the 292 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: fighting enraged the spirits, which vanished, and then a powerful 293 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: mist covered this forest which has been there ever since, 294 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and the girls on it and Elsa are like, oh no, 295 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: will the forest ever wake again? And the parents are like, 296 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, And then their mother says, only at 297 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: Holland knows Um, which is a river that is said 298 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: to hold all the answers to the past. I will 299 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: say that the children's reaction to this very violent story 300 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: is a little insensitive. Uh. They're like, awesome story. Yeah, 301 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: that's true. They're like, oh, cool story. And then it's 302 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: you're like, was that a cool story? Um? For them? 303 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: It was. Then we cut to Elsa and Anna as adults, 304 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: and Elsa here's this kind of angelic voice singing somewhere 305 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: in the distance, and it seemed to be calling to her, 306 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: and she says, hm hmm, maybe I should follow it 307 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: into the I'm gonna stop singing because I truly have 308 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: the worst yes, which I cannot do give the people 309 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: what they want. And then there's this um kind of 310 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: elemental disturbance because also woke up the spirits. I keep 311 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: wanting to call them the Earth, wind, and fire and 312 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: water spirits. It does every time you hear it, you're like, 313 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: you sort of are feeling like you're watching an episode 314 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: of Avatar the Last Airbender, and in this story, Elsa 315 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: is Avatar. Elsa is also the Fifth Element starring Bruce Willis. 316 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: There's a lot of movies Corbon Dallas. So okay, so 317 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: the spirits have been awakened and everyone has to evacuate Erondel, 318 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: the Kingdom where on A also live. And then the 319 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: stone Trolls from the first movie show up and their 320 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: leader is like, hey, um, there there's some wrong from 321 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the past has to be corrected. There's some truth that 322 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: needs to be uncovered about the past. So Elsa I 323 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: was like, okay, we have to go to the enchanted 324 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: forest and find the voice and figure out what happened. 325 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: So she Anna Christoph and all Off and Swen the Reindeer, 326 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: all of her favorite characters um set off toward the forest. 327 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: After a little bit of traveling, they come upon what 328 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: I can only describe as the shimmer from Annihilation. Um, 329 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: what the you know, like the shimmer from the movie Annihilation. 330 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: But they have to kind of that's also in this movie, 331 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: and it's this dense mist that they have to pass 332 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: through to get into the enchanted forest, and once they're inside, 333 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: the spirits show up. They were starting to reveal some 334 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: clues about the past, some of the memories of the past, 335 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: um Elsa manages to tame a couple of them, and 336 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: then suddenly a group of North Aldra people and a 337 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: small number of Aaron Delian soldiers show up, including Sterling K. Brown. 338 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I had no idea he was the 339 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: voice of that character until I watched the six part 340 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: docuseries on the making of Frozen two on Disney Plus, 341 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: which was a waste of time, but to watch, but 342 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: that is it was helpful and that I learned, um 343 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: that Sterling K. Brown one of my crushes. What is 344 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: in this movie? We both have a crush in the movie, 345 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: Yes we do. Alfred and Sterling cute. So all these 346 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: people show up and they've been trapped in this missed 347 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: the whole time, which we find out was like has 348 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: been over thirty four years, which I was I was like, 349 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait, how older Anna and 350 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: Elsa are we do we know? Are they over thirty? 351 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: Is that is that legal? In a Disney movie. I 352 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: don't think so, because the king their dad was a 353 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: little boy. Oh so they're they're okay, classic Disny. They're like, no, no, no, 354 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: no no, I can't have a woman over twenty five. 355 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: The thing is because even canonically in this movie, six 356 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: years have passed, because they were repeatedly referencing for reasons 357 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: that I sort of found to be a bit much, 358 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: but they kept referencing the amount of time between the 359 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: first Frozen movie in the second one, which is six years. 360 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: But somehow Elsa and Anna are still twenty the same age. 361 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: Question mark. All these people have converged in the midst 362 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: now and um all off gives us a nice little 363 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: recap of the plot of Frozen one for for everyone 364 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: that's there are multiple boys in this movie where I'm like, okay, 365 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: you're obsessed with the first movie. The first movie was fine, 366 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't want talk about it wasn't just like whatever, 367 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: like it's so, but then yeah, Josh, God has to 368 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: recap the whole damn thing, which I did kind of 369 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: enjoy that part. K Brown Um reacts very funny when 370 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: he's like, oh no, pretty cute. So then the North 371 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: Algi people are like, by the way, we are innocent. 372 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: We did not initiate this attack. We would have never 373 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: attacked first. And then a guy who on a recognizes 374 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: as Lieutenant Mattias voiced by Sterling K. Brown, who was 375 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: their father's guard, says, well, we wouldn't have attacked first either. 376 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't suspicious of the colonizer. Really exactly that. Okay, 377 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: this movie is very funny to me because they have 378 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: to go on this and this whole journey to uncover 379 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: the truth about the past, and it's so quickly. It's 380 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: just like, just look at the variables. You have indigenous 381 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: people and you have white colonizers, and a wrong was made. 382 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: What do you thing happened based on all of history? 383 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Liked they probably they probably learned a very you know, 384 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: whitewashed version of history, so you're right, they're full on. 385 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: I was hoping, I mean, you know, it's not going 386 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: to happen because it's like Disney. But by the end, 387 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this could be a great chance for 388 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: Els and Anna to become like anti imperialists and really 389 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: like be like abolish the monarchy, which of course burned 390 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: down their castle. At the end, it's two indigenous people 391 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: as the king and the Queen. So it's like, well, 392 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, captain colonizers in hell mad about that. I'm sure, 393 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: I hope so God, I hope right, because it is 394 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: Christophe indigenous as well. Yeah, okay, yeah that's what I thought. 395 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: So so then the fire spirit attacks all the people, 396 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: the little Yeah, it is a little charm mander. They're 397 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: very key. They act like puppies. And then Anna and 398 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: Alsa figure out that the girl who saved their father's 399 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: life in the forest that day many years ago was 400 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: their mother, who they also discover is north Auldra, which 401 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: means that Anna and Elsa are half north Auldra. Then 402 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: a North Auldra woman, Honeymaron, tells Elsa that in addition 403 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: to air, fire, water, and earth spirits, there is a 404 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: fifth spirit that acts as a bridge between humans and 405 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: the magic of nature. Which yeah. So then Elsa and 406 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Anna head north to find the voice that's been singing 407 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: to Elsa. They come upon a shipwreck, these shipwreck that 408 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: killed their mother and father, and in it they find 409 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: a map to Ata Holland, the river that is said 410 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: to hold all the memories from the past. Um, because 411 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: it's real, they discover um not just legend, and they 412 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: figure out that their mother speculated that Otta Holland is 413 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: the source of Elsa's ice magic. So Elsa sets off 414 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: for Auto Holland, and not wanting to put her sister 415 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: in danger, she kind of sends on a an all 416 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Off away on this Like this is one part of 417 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: the movie where I was like, oh my god, she 418 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: sends them down an icy slope at like five hundred 419 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: miles an hour. I was like, she's gonna accidentally murder 420 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: her sister. She's like putting her in even more danger, right, 421 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: which also happens in the first movie, Like she she 422 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: conjures up that giant like snowman that like almost kills Anna. 423 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: She's constantly putting her sister to give for like the 424 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: Big Sisterhood franchise that could me Elsa sometimes really goes 425 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: in on. I'm like, I am also not a huge 426 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: on a fan, but I wouldn't push her down a hill. 427 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: A big sister absolutely would. But hear what a drink 428 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: that was. I was like yeah, And then spoiler alert, 429 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: all Off dies not directly because of that, but he 430 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: dies later. He literally that was such a I was 431 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: just like, alright, plot, I guess it's I guess it 432 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: is the end of the second act, isn't it? And 433 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: he was It was so vague. He was like, my flakes, 434 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: my magical flakes. I don't want to go mr like 435 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: I do. It's I don't know. We're obviously not the 436 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: target demo, but it just like it couldn't be clearer 437 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: that there's going to be zero consequence for this. So 438 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: it is kind of funny to watch him like, not 439 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: my flakes, and then it's like, we're gone. I don't 440 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: know his flakes are gone. He dto oblivion. Meanwhile, um 441 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Elsa tames the water spirit, which comes in the form 442 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: of a horse, and she rides it to Ata holland 443 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: Um and then she sees all the answers to the 444 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: past and discovers that her grandfather can Colonizer was like 445 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: magic is scary, and the North Aldro people follow magic, 446 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: so they can't be trusted, and that he had built 447 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: this damn that he had given under the pretense of 448 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: it being like a gift of peace, he actually built 449 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: it to weaken their land, and that it was him 450 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: who initiated the attack against the North Aldro people. But 451 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: Elsa has gone too deep into Ata Holland, and she 452 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: starts to freeze. She's able to use her magic to 453 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: send the memory to Anna. Anna is lost in a 454 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: cave with all Off and then she, upon seeing the memory, 455 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: knows what she has to do to set things right, 456 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: which is to break the damn which will flood Arundel. 457 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: And then that's when all Off dies because Elsa is 458 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: dying in her magic is feeding something about his flurries age. 459 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: And then and then Honest sings a song that I 460 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: thought was like very impactful and I liked about how 461 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: like she is acknowledging the like deep, irreferable harm that 462 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: her ancestors have done. She wants to do the next 463 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: right thing, and you're like, oh, it's really coming into 464 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: her own I've been waiting for this character to have 465 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: like more agency forever. This is so exciting. And then 466 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: two seconds later she gets rescued. But stuff I will say, 467 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: though not to go too deep, but my mom passed 468 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: away in September. So that song Honest sings just like 469 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: it's so hard, you know, as far as doing the 470 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: next right thing and everything. I'm like, oh, I love 471 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: this movie, but it hurts me so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, 472 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: that was my favorite song in the movie. I think 473 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: show Yourself as Mine, but that was my second. I 474 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: like Kristoff's like eight cheesy eighties rock ballad my favorite. 475 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: It's really it wasn't bad, but it was there, you know. 476 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: It's like kind of strange, much like Kristoph's entire plot 477 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: in this movie. It's just kind of I don't know 478 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: why he necessarily even needs to be there. Couldn't be 479 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: a more pointless song, but it is like, I don't know, 480 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like I like to hear Jonathan Grops saying 481 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: I'll take it, I guess, but it is it doesn't 482 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: have a place in the movie. I don't know, question mark. 483 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: So then Anna lures the earth giants who are roaming 484 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: the land towards the damn and they destroy it, which 485 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: unfreezes Elsa because history has been made right and according 486 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: to the movie, and this causes all the water to 487 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: cascade towards Arundel, but Elsa manages to kind of get 488 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: ahead of it and freezes it to save Aarondel, because 489 00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: again she is the fifth spirits of the element. She 490 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: is the d s X mocking A, the d s 491 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: X mocking I was inside the house the entire time yep. 492 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: And then the mist lifts from the forest and everyone 493 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: who was trapped inside is now free. Elsa and Anna reunite. 494 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: There's much rejoicing. Anna has made Queen of Arundel, and 495 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: then Elsa decides to join the North Aldra and look 496 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: after the forest. And that is the end of the movie. 497 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we will come 498 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: right back to discuss, and we're back. Ali, is there 499 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: anything that jumps out to you right away of like 500 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: stuff you'd really really like to discuss? Oh? Okay. So 501 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: for those of you who cannot see me, Um, I'm 502 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: Anishinabe and I'm by racial. The reservation of my family 503 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: is from is the Wapple Island Reservation in Canada, and 504 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: my mother is a white woman and my father is 505 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: an Ishnabe. So I'm by racial. I'm very white passing. 506 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: And as someone who did not like the first Frozen movie, 507 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: I was so stunned that Elsa especially suddenly became this 508 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: character that I personally kind of felt represented by as 509 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: a white passing assimilated Indigenous woman because although my father 510 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: is you know of a darker shoe, I guess, a 511 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: darker skin tone than I am. He was assimilated because 512 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: his mother and his auntie were residential school survivors, so 513 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: they had their culture denied to them. You know, they 514 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: couldn't speak their own language, they had no culture. They 515 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: were taken from their family, and um My and mother 516 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: and her auntie, her sister had to actually leave the reservation, 517 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: like they ran away to Michigan and that's where we 518 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: live now. And you know they she married a white 519 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: man who was my dad's father. So, um, in order 520 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: to survive, really, I mean, you have to assimilate, especially 521 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: back then. I you know, this was during World War Two, 522 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: this was you know, all throughout. I think grandma was 523 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: born in like nineteen seventeen, I think, and she died 524 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: in nine So this is an entire century more or 525 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: less of you know, you cannot really embrace who you 526 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: are as an Native woman because you can be killed, 527 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: you can be imprisoned, you know. And um, I think 528 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: her name is i Dona, the else's mother. You know, 529 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: that character really truly spoke to me, you know, as 530 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: an Indigenous woman, because the concealed don't feel don't let 531 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: them know. Thing that Elsa you know, sings about in 532 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: the first movie isn't just about her magic now, it 533 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: is about her identity and her family and her bloodline. 534 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, her mother knew that kind 535 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: of pain she must have been going through because she 536 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: was she couldn't go home. You know, she may not 537 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: have ran away from home, but she could never return. 538 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: And this was her life now. And if the Aaron 539 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: Delian people didn't like the Nothalgra people, you know, she's 540 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: not going to announce that, oh on Northaldra. She's going 541 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: to keep that to herself and raise her daughters the 542 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: best way that she can, you know, and that would 543 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: be to assimilate, to look like, you know, the oppressor. 544 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: I suppose, so Elsa really come into terms with this. 545 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: You know something, it wasn't just the magic. It wasn't 546 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: just keeping that part hidden inside. It's like there's something 547 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: deeper than that. There's something that you know, I feel 548 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: out of place. I feel like there's a disconnect. I 549 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, I may look like these people, and my 550 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: sister may you know, be able to live among them 551 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: a bit easier than I do, but you know, I 552 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: feel like something is missing and I want to know 553 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: what that is. And for her Disney to make it 554 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: indigenous heritage, like, oh, this is your family history, this 555 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: is your mother's people, these are this is your community 556 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: and your culture, and that sense of belonging and healing, 557 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's really really powerful. And uh I am. 558 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, I'm white passing. I'm trying to reconnect. I 559 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: have I up until, like, I don't know, I want 560 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: to say, a couple of years ago, I didn't think 561 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: I had any surviving relatives on my dad's side, you know. 562 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: I thought we didn't have any cousins. We didn't have 563 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: any aunts and uncles. You know, we had no idea. 564 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: And recently I discovered when I went to uh the 565 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: reservation for pow Wow, that there are so many different 566 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, cousins and relatives and stuff like that. And 567 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you know, I brought my family tree 568 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh that guy he's cash, Oh that 569 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: one he's nutty, that one, you know what I mean. 570 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like and then they started looking at the 571 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: family tree and it's like we had common ancestors and 572 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: common relatives and stuff. So that reconnection to family and 573 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: to culture when it has been like forcibly taken away 574 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: from you and denied to. I mean, Frozen Too really 575 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: spoke to that part, you know, for me anyways, So 576 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: it was so, I know, I really like this movie. 577 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is honestly giving me a 578 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: whole new perspective on the themes that this movie is 579 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: speaking to. I mean, going into the movie, I was 580 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: honestly confused at the beginning, like I understood the choice 581 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: they were trying to make. I was like, I don't know, 582 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's impossible because you know, like I've certainly 583 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 1: been brought up on such a warped version of history 584 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: and I'm still in the process of trying to unlearned 585 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: ship and not just unlearned stuff, but then learn the 586 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: correct version of you know, what actually happened me. It's 587 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: like a really powerful and ambitious theme in this movie 588 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: to show that to children, to show that like the 589 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: version of history you're presented with is very likely not accurate, 590 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: and that it is like kind of your responsibility in 591 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: a way to to seek out that truth and to 592 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: find it. And then on top of that, uh, is 593 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: something that I think I was like in the middle 594 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: of the movie, I was like, whoa, this is like 595 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: a pretty like bold choice for such a gigantic franchise. 596 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: The only villain in this movie is their past, Like 597 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: there is no and the first one it's who is 598 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: that guy? Though, like you know whatever hans right, and 599 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: and so in the first one it's like they are 600 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: subverting it by the twist and blah blah blah. But 601 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: like in this it's like their heritage and they're like 602 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: their ties to colonialism is the villain of the movie. 603 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: It's like a it's an evil that you I guess 604 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: you sort of see through, like the memory of the grandfather. 605 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: But for the most part, it is just like something 606 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: that they need to reckon with, and that is I mean, 607 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: that's holy sh it, especially because like when when Anna 608 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: learns learns the truth about how her grandfather initiated the 609 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: attack and that he had built the damn deliberately to 610 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: oppress the indigenous people and how you know, and honestly 611 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 1: something like well, that goes against everything that Aaron Dell 612 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: stands for. And it's like, well, sure, like Aaron Dell, 613 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: my masquerade is this like you know, righteous place, But like, no, 614 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: that's not how colonization works, right. I think you can 615 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: also be kind of viewed as like a meta commentary 616 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: on like Disney properties as a whole of like, here 617 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: is this like magical kingdom that you've always been presented 618 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: to this like very whitewashed magical place like and what 619 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: is being erased and what is being miss taught to you? 620 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: Because that is I mean, that's been Disney's bag for 621 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: a long fucking time. Is teaching you and glorifying and 622 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: making making it profitable to show you false versions of 623 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: of history, usually American history, that it's kind of a 624 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: free for all with them. I think the thing that 625 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: actually surprised me um when I first saw Frozen two, 626 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: because uh, I'll send it to you guys on Twitter. 627 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: It was like my live tweeting responses. It's like, all right, guys, 628 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: watched Frozen two for the first time, and here's my 629 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: reaction in real time as I'm watching it. You know, 630 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: So when they're singing that one song at the beginning 631 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: and it's not Thanksgiving but it is Thanksgiving, you know, 632 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: like they're having a harvest feast or whatever, and I'm thinking, 633 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm watching it, I'm like, are they really having Thanksgiving 634 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: in Sweden? Because you know, like because and then at 635 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: the end of the movie, when they show Captain Colonizer 636 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: and he's all like, we're gonna invite them in peace, 637 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see what they're you know, how many 638 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: there are and what their strength is. I was like Thanksgiving, 639 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: because Thanksgiving was not a happy feast. It was a 640 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: massacre of indigenous people. So the fact that Disney did that, 641 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, that never happens. And you know 642 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, like never, that never happens. And that 643 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: was so it was subtle enough where I think a 644 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: kid may have not quite connected the dots what I did. Ye, Yeah, 645 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: I think one of the I guess, okay, maybe I'm like, 646 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm probably always asking too much of 647 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: a Disney movie. I kind of wish that that they 648 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: had just let if they if we already knew, you know, 649 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: and they and the movie goes out of its way 650 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: to say, well, there's no one in Arandel right now. 651 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: It's just it's empty, it's been evacuated. I kind of 652 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: wish that they had just flooded it. Is that is that? Yeah, 653 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: Like symbolically, I'm like, maybe that's a little game of 654 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: Thrones of me to to want, But but I mean 655 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: it fits that I kind of wish they had just said, 656 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, fuck it. I think UM with that one, 657 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: because a lot of people felt the same way, and 658 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: I didn't just because I was thinking, you know, problematic 659 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: element of this movie is that, you know, they blame 660 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: it all on just this one specific person, you know, 661 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: and not like an actual vermint, like the one guy 662 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: who wanted to be the colonizer. The people for the 663 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: most part didn't really seem to know what was happening, 664 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: you know, because the girls didn't even know who the 665 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: Nothalgil really were anyway, So I feel like if they were, 666 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, the person who already did this horrible thing 667 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: is already dead, you know, he gets killed in the 668 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 1: battle anyway, So that part is already like you know, avenged. 669 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: But it's not just that, you know, it's you have 670 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: to not only correct history, but you know, put in 671 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 1: the work to make sure you know, the harm that's 672 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: already been done can't be undone. But how you go 673 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: forward with it is the important part. So you get 674 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: rid of the damn which is causing all of this 675 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: trauma and all of this destruction to the environment that 676 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: directly still hurts the indigenous people living on it. And 677 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: to destroy or the damn and then flood out Aarondel 678 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: and destroy it. I feel like maybe the spirits were like, 679 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, this is only gonna make those people hate 680 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: us more that their queen just destroyed their home, you know. 681 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm like, I 682 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: really don't think these people are going to be all 683 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: that okay with oh, but you know, the colonialism is like, yeah, 684 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: but now my house is underwater, Like it's gonna make 685 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: ship worse, you know, probably and build more touch and 686 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: it's like that. So it's like, all right, so we're 687 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna put you on the throne instead, and they're gonna 688 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: love you, and then I'm gonna stay here and we're 689 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: gonna build relations and there you go, happy ending. It's 690 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: very simplified, but it's a kid's movie, and they handled 691 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: it a lot better than they didn't Pokehona so god ever, 692 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: So do you feel overall that the representation of Indigenous 693 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: people and indigenous culture was handled responsibly and respectfully in 694 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: this film? So disclaimer, um, the northalgia of people are 695 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: based off of an existing group of indigenous people, the 696 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: Sami people. So I'm not Sammy, so I can't personally, 697 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, say like, oh yeah, they did great. Um. 698 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: I did speak to um. I'm going to use his 699 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: full title here, okay, so uh Sami activists and vice 700 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: president of the Sami Council. His name is aslach Holmberg. 701 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: I actually UM talked to him when I was in 702 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: Finland because he's Sami and uh, he and members of AOSDTTANU, 703 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: where this group that were organizing this moratorium in that 704 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: opposed the Dano River fishery agreement in northern Finland. So 705 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: basically the Finnish government was trying to deny salmon fishing 706 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: rights on Sami territory and he was, you know, an 707 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: activist at that time, so he was on like a council, 708 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, Sami council. He also did the voice because 709 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: Disney did a Sami dub of Frozen two and he 710 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 1: did he did the voice of the dad Alfred Molito. 711 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: Know it's him well legacy, but he said, you know, 712 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: he's biased of course because he worked on the film. 713 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: But he said that the Sami people were very much 714 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:35,720 Speaker 1: involved with the representation of the nothalgia people and overall, 715 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, he did like it. I've got other because 716 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: I asked other Sami people on the A La test 717 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: what they thought about it, and it's been kind of 718 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: a mixed bag. You know, there's elements that they didn't 719 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: like so much and then lots that they did. My 720 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: personal take, you kind of run the risk of when 721 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: you create a new tribe of people, you know what 722 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, for example, you know, there's this one 723 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: video game I forgot what it's called, but they made 724 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: up a completely different Native American tribe and it's like, Okay, 725 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: you couldn't just use an existing one to tell your story. 726 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: But that's because it was set in America frozen not 727 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: so much. It's like, oh, it's this magical territory and 728 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: it's not real, so we can create people who exist 729 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: within it. And there's enough similarities where you kind of 730 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. But you're not doing like 731 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: the Twilight Poconist thing where you take an existing group 732 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: of people and being like, oh, they're magical, Oh they 733 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: control the elements and stuff. It's like, no, the Twolute 734 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: people do not turn into werewolves, you know. The Sami 735 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: people do not you know, work with giant rock monsters 736 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 1: and fire spirits and stuff. But the North algier people can, 737 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: and I like that the Nothalgia people were still just people. 738 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,760 Speaker 1: They just knew how to interact with the land, So 739 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: that I felt was more respectful to what Indigenous people 740 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: are because we're not mythical, magical creatures, you know what 741 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,319 Speaker 1: I mean. We just have a connection to the land 742 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: and the territory because it's a part of us. It's 743 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: not just we're not on top and then the animals 744 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: are beneath, and then you know, so on and so forth. 745 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: It's you know, a web of connection and we have 746 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 1: our place within the ecosystem and within this world. So 747 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: that's better than you know, oh I'm you know, and 748 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 1: the only person who is is Elsa and that that 749 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: works out because she's just you know, special. It's not 750 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: because oh I have this power because I'm Nothalgra is like, no, 751 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: it's because you're she's an outlier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hollywoo 752 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: has a long and troubling history of describing magic and 753 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: mysticism to non white people in a way that has 754 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: really negative connotations. For example, there's the magical Negro trope, 755 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,840 Speaker 1: there's like the mystic Asian trope, there's like mystic Indigenous tropes. 756 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: There's like all of these things that we've seen again 757 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: and again in so many different movies, so and by 758 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: and large magic like the magic is being used to 759 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,919 Speaker 1: assist a white character or to somehow aid their storyline 760 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: and to other the non white character or characters. And 761 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 1: I think the only real complaints that I would have 762 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily the nothalgia people. Some people say that they 763 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: wish that the women would have had a bit more agency, 764 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: which I think is fair. Christoff, who is an indigenous 765 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,479 Speaker 1: person as well, I feel it's kind of a missed 766 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: opportunity as a Sami character. The Nothalogra are based off 767 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: of the Sami, but Christoff in the ript is described 768 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,800 Speaker 1: as a Sammy boys specifically saw me. Okay, yeah, and 769 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: it's like they could have done more than just oh 770 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: he saw me. He likes reindeer, okay. You know, but 771 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: like I don't expect them to go into like a 772 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: deep you know, like basically turning the Sami people into 773 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: like a costume like they did Poconas essentially, but you know, 774 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: it would have been nice when Anna discovers that she's 775 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: indigenous as well, that she and Kristoff could have bonded 776 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: over something like that, you know what I mean, Like, 777 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: I feel like that was a missed opportunity where I'm 778 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: glad that they kind of cut Christoff out of the 779 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,439 Speaker 1: movie because it is predominantly Elsa's story, as it should be. 780 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: But it's like, man, they could have really, you know, 781 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 1: talked about this and bonded over that. And it's like, 782 00:50:54,719 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: obviously Anna must have had some insecurities given her last 783 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,919 Speaker 1: boyfriend and what he tried to do. So I don't 784 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: know if there's any reason to fall in love with 785 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: someone you know and actually bond enough to marry them, 786 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: it could probably be over that shared experience, you know. 787 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,280 Speaker 1: I think it would have been nice, I think for 788 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: the audience like as well to be kind of reminded 789 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: that Christoff is an indigenous person, because I think that, 790 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: like there's not a lot of work done to really 791 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: tell you that, and in a movie that is constantly 792 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: reminding you what happened in the last movie, uh, in 793 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: a way that is not always helpful. That would have 794 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 1: been a helpful thing to be reminded of. And again, yeah, 795 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: like like like you're saying, is something that could be 796 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: you know, a very valuable bond for them when there 797 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: is kind of something left to be desired for, like 798 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: why are we talking about their impending engagement that we 799 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,800 Speaker 1: know is going to happen by the end of the movie, 800 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: So much like that would have been a really good 801 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: element one one thing that I would love your perspective on. 802 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: And because I was just sort of um, I do 803 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: wish that the North Aldrin people that we meet had 804 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: more to do and had a deeper characterization because for 805 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: characters that are introduced, and they are I think played 806 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: by white actors, which again is uh, I mean why right, 807 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: especially when they had hired several consultants, um Sammy consultants 808 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: who maybe they weren't trained actors, but they could go 809 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 1: and find some trained actors to cast in those roles. 810 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: But but even on top of that, I think that 811 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: most of the North all drink characters we meet are 812 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: there in a very surface kind of way where I 813 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: felt like, for the most part, especially with writer and Honeymaron, 814 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: that they were mostly there to just give information and 815 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: encouragement to a character that we already know. So like 816 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: a writer is like, what's up, Oh, you have a 817 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: romantic conflict? Let me be in a scene about that, 818 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: and then he's in a scene about that, and then 819 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,360 Speaker 1: he's kind of gone, and then Honey, Marin gives Elsa 820 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, it's a it's a cool scene 821 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: between the two of them that definitely pushes Elsa's character forward, 822 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: But I just wish that we knew more about her 823 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 1: and that she didn't just exist in proximity to Elsa. 824 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: H I agree. You also see a character whose name 825 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: is Elena. She seems to be I think the leader. Yeah, yeah, 826 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: she's I think she's like this is a Matrichal society 827 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 1: because it seems to be implied that she is the leader. 828 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: She is voiced by white actor Martha Plimpton, but yeah, 829 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,799 Speaker 1: she she isn't given much to do either, aside from 830 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of just delivering some exposition here and there, because 831 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't I don't even remember seeing her in the 832 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: flashback scene, so it's not even like you know, she was, 833 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, specifically shown like, um, it's this name Mattias 834 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,839 Speaker 1: or Mattias Matteis. It could be anything another character who 835 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 1: we learned nothing about. Then, yeah, because she hasn't shown 836 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: really in the flash vac scene that I remember, so 837 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, they could have drawn back 838 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,879 Speaker 1: on that and given her a bit more to do. Yeah, 839 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,799 Speaker 1: couldn't she have been there during the attack that was 840 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,839 Speaker 1: instigated by the Aaron Delian people, and like couldn't she 841 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: offer some perspective on it like that kind of thing? 842 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, we don't see anything. Yeah, I was 843 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 1: hoping that. I mean again, it just seems like a 844 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: missed opportunity where having those characters there is so much 845 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,000 Speaker 1: more than your average dizzy movie is going to do. 846 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: It's a valuable opportunity to give them the opportunity to 847 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 1: prove by their own perspectives in text. But most of 848 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: what we learned has to like appears in like snow flashback. 849 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like in a movie where there's a 850 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 1: lot of snow flashbacks, why not just let them share 851 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: their own history? Like why could Helena not be more 852 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 1: meaningfully involved in in I guess educate, like giving Elsa 853 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: this education that she so you know, it is so 854 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 1: desperately wanting, like kind of touched on that like a 855 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: little bit. And I do appreciate that when Elsa does 856 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: bond with the Northalogia people, it is specifically with the women, 857 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, like at the end she's holding Honey Marin's hand, 858 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: but she's holding Helena's hand, And you know, I think 859 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,919 Speaker 1: they kind of like gave that impression, but I wish 860 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: they would have given us more. Yeah. Yeah, it made 861 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,719 Speaker 1: it more juicy. I just but yeah, because it's it's 862 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that then, nor the Aldrin characters fall 863 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: into the Disney tropes that we are I mean honestly 864 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,359 Speaker 1: kind of expecting them to fall into. But there's still 865 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: I just wish that yet they had like a fully 866 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,439 Speaker 1: realized character. And I mean, like none of the none 867 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: of those three characters really have an arc. They don't. 868 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean that we are able to track at least. Yeah. 869 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: I also wanted to say really quickly because I was 870 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: looking into the updated queer readings of Elsa and Jennifer 871 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 1: Lee in fact addressed this because there was I think 872 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: we talked about this on our first Frozen episode. There 873 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: was a huge fan movement and like a million petitions 874 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: to explicitly acknowledge Elsa as a queer character. It was 875 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 1: a gigantic millions of people were involved saying I think 876 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: I think I signed the petition. I don't remember, uh, 877 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,720 Speaker 1: But in any case, it was such a large response 878 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 1: that Jennifer Lee, they who wrote and co directed this movie, 879 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: had to acknowledge it, and so she told a New 880 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:08,120 Speaker 1: York Times writer that the reason she doesn't explicitly say 881 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: that Elsa is a queer character in this movie, and 882 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,240 Speaker 1: this is wild. She says that she has put every 883 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: Frozen character through the Myers Briggs test, and quote it 884 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 1: really came out that Elsa is not ready for a 885 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:29,439 Speaker 1: relationship unquote. So she, like yalaxy brained, avoiding the fact 886 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 1: that Disney just doesn't like is deeply unable to acknowledge 887 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: any non heterosexuality. But the I was like the Myers 888 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: Briggs test, I just was like, my god, Jennifer Lee stretch. Further, 889 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if people ship Honeymaron and Elsa because they 890 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 1: have a little scene together. You ship them? Yes, yes, 891 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: I do because they have that like tender scene together 892 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 1: where they like the sting the lullaby and it was 893 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,920 Speaker 1: really beautiful. Frozen three, Let's learn more about Honeymaron and 894 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: Rider and Yelena specific I mean everyone, but I'm like Honey, 895 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: Marion and Elena. I want to know more about them. 896 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,000 Speaker 1: I agree, well, it would it would seem as though 897 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: the reason that, unlike other Disney properties, and unlike other 898 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: Hollywood films in general, the treatment of Indigenous people is 899 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: again normally abhorrent, it would seem as though in this 900 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,640 Speaker 1: movie it is handled more responsibly and respectfully, because even 901 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 1: unlike the first Frozen movie, the filmmakers of Frozen two 902 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: hired a few Sami people as consultants on the film. 903 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: We've already heard one of their perspectives, which is wonderful. Yes, Um, 904 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: it seems by all the accounts that I found, the 905 00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: Sami people found that it was a positive collaborate ration. 906 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: They were happy with how the movie turned out. There 907 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: was some level of dissatisfaction was how Indigenous culture was 908 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: represented in the first Frozen movie. And um that the 909 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: Sami people felt that there was course correction there. And 910 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: this is relatively new, I mean, very new for a 911 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 1: Disney to actually do their homework on portraying cultures that 912 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: are not straight up dominant white American Disney culture that 913 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing about it. Most recently in 914 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: regards to Mowanna as well, there there was an entire 915 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 1: advisory council formed to make that movie. It seemed like 916 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,680 Speaker 1: with generally positive result. I know that people have notes, 917 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: but like generally positive for for a Disney movie, and 918 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 1: it's so I mean, it is still frustrating to see 919 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: that It's it's mostly you know, like executives that are 920 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 1: on the other side of these advisory boards and the 921 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: fact that there is still such little progress on um, 922 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, making even even though it's a very positive 923 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: thing that you know, FROs and two is you know, 924 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 1: portraying indigenous culture and like really making strides and attempts 925 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: to course correct on mistakes they've made. It's still, you know, 926 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: a overwhelmingly white crew on this movie, is certainly an 927 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly white cast on this movie, and it's i mean, 928 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: still work to be done for sure. I actually have 929 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: a quote to so um so slate dot com writer 930 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: I think his name is I'm going to destroy your name, sir, 931 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's InKo King. I think Ko King. He 932 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,520 Speaker 1: compliments and criticizes the film's depiction of reparations. Specifically, he said, 933 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,400 Speaker 1: we have so few fictional portrayals of what post colonial 934 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: restitution looks like that we should be careful of how 935 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 1: we depict it. But he also said that it's admirable 936 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,320 Speaker 1: that fucking Lee even attempted a story like this, and 937 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: even though it could have used a little more thinking 938 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,680 Speaker 1: through introducing the concept of nationalist myth making to children, 939 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 1: particularly in a princess movie, that the general public has 940 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: no expectations for other than to sell even more else 941 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,560 Speaker 1: and ohl Off dolls this holiday season is pretty commendable. 942 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, I agree, it's like, you know, for sure, 943 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,360 Speaker 1: you know it could have used a little bit more 944 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: I guess thinking through, like he said, But then you 945 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: have to wonder how many people, Probably the higher ups 946 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,400 Speaker 1: are like, no, you don't get to say that. Oh, 947 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: that's way too much. You know, we don't want to 948 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: change anybody's minds, so we just want to that's too 949 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: far sell product. Um, let's take another quick break and 950 01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 1: then we'll come right back and we're back. I'm I'm 951 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 1: curious Ali on your take on this, which is that 952 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:16,680 Speaker 1: so the North Aldra people they are designed to I mean, 953 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 1: I think they are distinctly not white in their design. 954 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 1: Now we find out that Anna and Elsa are half 955 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:33,280 Speaker 1: North Aldra, they look quite very, very very white. And 956 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: while it is I think positive that in the Cannon 957 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 1: now they are half North Aldra. Um children watching this 958 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 1: movie know that these characters who they know and love, 959 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,520 Speaker 1: uh now have the knowledge that they are indigenous. Um. 960 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I think though, it's so helpful to see visibility on screen, 961 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: especially of main characters, the characters who you have, the 962 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: dolls of the characters who you have, the sisters of 963 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,600 Speaker 1: all that, all that for them to you know, Like, 964 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,600 Speaker 1: the characters are so designed to look such like Western 965 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,320 Speaker 1: beauty standard blonde, blue eyed, very fair skin in their esthetic, 966 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,760 Speaker 1: and I guess it just would be nice to see 967 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: more visibility and representation on screen of characters who don't 968 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,120 Speaker 1: look like that. It's very clear that this was and 969 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: I think some of the criticism around this that I 970 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: think it's pretty well placed, is that like the decision 971 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 1: for Elsa and Anna to have indigenous roots was made 972 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: between the first and second movies. This is not in 973 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: the foundation of this story. It's almost like a redicon 974 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,720 Speaker 1: in a where Yeah, yeah, because I think I remember. 975 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like unfounded or not, 976 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: but I remember there were rumors circulating that originally Frozen 977 01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: two was supposed to be uh Sammy Center. I guess, 978 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: like the characters were supposed to be Sammy, and then 979 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 1: they changed it because I don't know if it's tumbler, 980 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: so who knows how true it is. But but I 981 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,320 Speaker 1: do remember some discourse surrounding that, so I think this 982 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: was almost like, oh, well, let's try to do that 983 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 1: again this time, but you know, how do we do that? 984 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,280 Speaker 1: And uh. But at the same time, you know, while 985 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,560 Speaker 1: I agree, I'm like, you know, we have a billion 986 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: white princesses, not just in Disney but in like all 987 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: kinds of media. It would be nice to see, you know, 988 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: someone who wasn't blonde haired, blue eyed, pale skin But um, 989 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen too many stories where the 990 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: white passing indigenous person, you know, is actually given a 991 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:58,400 Speaker 1: story about reconnection and you know, finding that culture and 992 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,200 Speaker 1: that identity again, So I do appreciate that, and you know, 993 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: there was obviously thought put into it. It wasn't like, oh, 994 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,520 Speaker 1: a long time ago, this relative that I don't know 995 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:19,440 Speaker 1: was not so she's one sixteen, all right, So I 996 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: do um. And I think it's also you know, like 997 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 1: with Sami people, and really you know, the Arctic region 998 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: of indigenous people's there are many different skin tones, so 999 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,560 Speaker 1: there are lots of very fair complexed Sami people like 1000 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,160 Speaker 1: Asla Holmberg. You know, unless you knew him personally or 1001 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,640 Speaker 1: knew of him, you probably just would have assumed he 1002 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,880 Speaker 1: was finished just from his complexion and his hair color 1003 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:50,280 Speaker 1: and whatnot, as opposed to Inupiat or Inuit people you know, 1004 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,480 Speaker 1: who are very clearly, you know, a little bit darker 1005 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 1: but still lighter skin because of the region. So I 1006 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,600 Speaker 1: definitely to an extent by that. The mom I think 1007 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,960 Speaker 1: her name is, I'm gonna pronounce her name along. I 1008 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 1: think it's a Dona. But the mother, you know, being 1009 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: lighter complexed but still being Nothaldra but looking a little 1010 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,959 Speaker 1: bit different from the other ones, you know, and then 1011 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: marrying a white man and having biracial children. You know, 1012 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I can understand why Anna and also wouldn't look as ethnic. Also, 1013 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, not to get too deep because it is Disney, 1014 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: but genetics sometimes skip Like well, I mean, my dad 1015 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 1: is very dark and me and my sisters are not. 1016 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,520 Speaker 1: And then my sister had her daughter who is darker 1017 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: than us and is very clearly Indian, and so like, 1018 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: how did that happen? She's like one eighth It looks 1019 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,960 Speaker 1: more like dad's daughter than we do. Interesting, how did 1020 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 1: that hippen, so, but I think I'd have to watch 1021 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,440 Speaker 1: the movie again to see if there are other nothalogical 1022 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 1: people of various shades, I guess in various skin tones, 1023 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,800 Speaker 1: because that also happens to, you know, within the community. 1024 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: I was very I mean in in researching this. I mean, 1025 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,360 Speaker 1: I have learned a lot in the past couple of days. 1026 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,240 Speaker 1: I honestly was, um not aware of any history of 1027 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the Sami people before I started doing the research for 1028 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,800 Speaker 1: this episode, and the more I learned, the more impressed 1029 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,480 Speaker 1: with the movie I became. Because I think I was 1030 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,880 Speaker 1: also sort of like, are they completely fucking this up? 1031 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,640 Speaker 1: Or do I just not know enough about the cultures 1032 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: that they're referencing, but but learning about, um, the elements 1033 01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: of Sami culture that they're referencing down to and we 1034 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,160 Speaker 1: reference this a little bit earlier. But even the presence 1035 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 1: of a damn a colonial damn is I mean, I 1036 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: couldn't find an explicit, like, you know, someone from the 1037 01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 1: production confirming this, but I guessing that it is referencing 1038 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 1: a controversy that took place between the Sami people in 1039 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,800 Speaker 1: the Norwegian government in the late seventies early eighties. It's 1040 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 1: called the alta controversy where basically the Norwegian government said 1041 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 1: we're going to build a hydroelectric power damn, like a 1042 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 1: power plant, UM that was going to affect um indigenous 1043 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,400 Speaker 1: Sami land. There was a huge conflict UM. There was 1044 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,160 Speaker 1: like sustained protests, there was violence, and the Sami people 1045 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,360 Speaker 1: ended up losing that battle. That hydro electric damn exists, 1046 01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,879 Speaker 1: and I thought it was really like I learned something 1047 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 1: which is great and also just um, that was more. Again, 1048 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,519 Speaker 1: it's just more than I would ever expect from a 1049 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,679 Speaker 1: Disney movie to make such a clear recent historical reference 1050 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,559 Speaker 1: about um. You know. So it isn't like, oh, this 1051 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,519 Speaker 1: is something that happened a long time ago, but it 1052 01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: doesn't happen now. They're referencing something that has happened in 1053 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,679 Speaker 1: you know, the lifespans of most parents who are seeing 1054 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 1: this movie and seeing that I mean, and learning that 1055 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,960 Speaker 1: I thought was I was very impressed. I thought it 1056 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,479 Speaker 1: was really interesting. And then the clear I didn't know 1057 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,439 Speaker 1: that they were clear, but it is clear references to 1058 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,880 Speaker 1: the mythology connected to these cultures, that there is a 1059 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,320 Speaker 1: clear precedent for the horse character like that is rooted 1060 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,160 Speaker 1: in Norse mythology, and that's you know, and and Ali, 1061 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,320 Speaker 1: you probably know more than me because you've spent time 1062 01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,719 Speaker 1: in this region. Uh, but like there was a precedent 1063 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,160 Speaker 1: for that. The name Iduna is like a Norse mythological 1064 01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:43,400 Speaker 1: name for the goddess of health. And just there were 1065 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,840 Speaker 1: like details that I, you know, never would have known, 1066 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,400 Speaker 1: but upon investigation that there there's also like a mythological 1067 01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:57,519 Speaker 1: president president. Oh my god, word precedent for for the 1068 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: stone giants. That is something that's also president in mythology. 1069 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, especially comparing it to this is like I 1070 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,760 Speaker 1: don't know why I felt the need to go down 1071 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,760 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole of what a shitty dumb movie Avatar is, 1072 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:19,760 Speaker 1: the James Cameron one, but especially I liked it. I'll 1073 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,000 Speaker 1: talk about that another time, but there I will promise. 1074 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,000 Speaker 1: I was just like researching. I don't, I don't. I 1075 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,160 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you why, but I was researching how much 1076 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:35,800 Speaker 1: money that production put into really creating deep lore and 1077 01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 1: really doing its homework in pre production, but in the 1078 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 1: finished product most of it is not there in any way, 1079 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,839 Speaker 1: like he should have written books. He should have called 1080 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones and written science fiction books and 1081 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,600 Speaker 1: then waited until the technology was there, and then he 1082 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,400 Speaker 1: could have made like an HBO c g I anthology 1083 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,599 Speaker 1: series or something. There is like a star Trek amount 1084 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,840 Speaker 1: of lore connected to that movie, but they don't use 1085 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: any of it in the movie. It's so frustrated. But 1086 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: that's so much is lost. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I 1087 01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: guess they have five hundred movies left to rectify that situation. 1088 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:20,120 Speaker 1: But if we But I was impressed that Frozen two, 1089 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,880 Speaker 1: um kind of you know, in opposition to that does 1090 01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,600 Speaker 1: its homework and you and it is very present and 1091 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,600 Speaker 1: it's plot relevant and it's all I just I don't know, 1092 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,559 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. And um. Also in the music 1093 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:39,800 Speaker 1: which uh, there's a really good YouTube channel called Sideways 1094 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:45,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, their work is so good. They they do 1095 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:50,599 Speaker 1: videos on usually about score music and film um, and 1096 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,760 Speaker 1: they talk a lot about ethno musicology and like if 1097 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,160 Speaker 1: a different culture is being represented in a movie, is 1098 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: it present in the movie. They do a great video 1099 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080 Speaker 1: on how Avatar kind of does not succeed in that 1100 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,240 Speaker 1: even though they did so much work and then they 1101 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,920 Speaker 1: didn't use it all the work they did great video. 1102 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,120 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, And which is another thing that it 1103 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: seems that Frozen two was successful at his um researching 1104 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:21,200 Speaker 1: um Sami music and having it present, if not completely dominant, 1105 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,599 Speaker 1: but very present in the score, which is great because 1106 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: I love the composers of of Frozen. They've got it. 1107 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,800 Speaker 1: They're very impressive, They're cool. Congratulations to them for I've 1108 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,439 Speaker 1: got two points to make based on what you just said. 1109 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,479 Speaker 1: So the first one in the Sami music. Uh, I 1110 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,599 Speaker 1: always found that kind of strange. Um just that well, Okay, 1111 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,880 Speaker 1: when I first saw the first Frozen, I think it's 1112 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: called vuali that opens up, you know that Nan nana 1113 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:56,719 Speaker 1: hey n na na. So that was like my favorite 1114 01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 1: song and the first Frozen movie. And it's a some 1115 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 1: a yoick um. So it's an actual traditional method of singing. 1116 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,160 Speaker 1: And sometimes to my understanding, this is based off of 1117 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,200 Speaker 1: video that Sophia Yanna did when she U came to 1118 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Standing Rock in Solidarity. Uh, She's sang a yoick and 1119 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:24,240 Speaker 1: she said that it's vocables, so you don't you aren't 1120 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,439 Speaker 1: actually singing words, you're singing sounds, and it's about the 1121 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,120 Speaker 1: feelings that you have when you sing. So that way 1122 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,479 Speaker 1: other people can join in and they're not really saying words, 1123 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,839 Speaker 1: they're just joining in with the sound and the music 1124 01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,400 Speaker 1: for healing or for you know, And it was just 1125 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,880 Speaker 1: strange to me that that is a Sami method of singing. 1126 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,360 Speaker 1: They have a Sami character in the movie, but the 1127 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,679 Speaker 1: nostalgia people are the ones singing the yoik and they're 1128 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 1: not technically Sammy, even though they're based off of the Sami. 1129 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,519 Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm glad they tied it in at 1130 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:08,080 Speaker 1: least because they do sing it. But I'm like, um, okay, 1131 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even make that connected. Yeah, that would make 1132 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,240 Speaker 1: it far more offense. But since you brought an avatar, 1133 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,719 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna touch on it for a second because 1134 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:22,519 Speaker 1: it does lead to another point in Frozen two. So 1135 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: when I saw Avatar, I loved it. But there was 1136 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,080 Speaker 1: one scene in the movie where I was like, okay, uh, 1137 01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: this scene can go one of two ways, and if 1138 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,479 Speaker 1: it goes one way, i hate this movie from this 1139 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,360 Speaker 1: point on. And I've been enjoying myself for like two hours, 1140 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,799 Speaker 1: and then this happens, I'm gonna be angry. And it didn't. 1141 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,920 Speaker 1: It went that way, and I kept loving it. It 1142 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:52,200 Speaker 1: was when the white guy tells Zoe's Aldanna that you know, 1143 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,639 Speaker 1: they sent me a spy on you guys and screw 1144 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: you over and she's like, you knew this was gonna happen, 1145 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,280 Speaker 1: and then goes to fucking x acute him and like 1146 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,040 Speaker 1: freaks out because in any other movie it would have 1147 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,679 Speaker 1: been like, no, I love him, you guys, please listen 1148 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,519 Speaker 1: to him this and she's like, no, you're dying now, 1149 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Add Dale's x mockinma. He 1150 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, survives because he's got plot armor, but he 1151 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,400 Speaker 1: proved himself before he can show his face again. So 1152 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,439 Speaker 1: at least there's that, because if it would have went 1153 01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,559 Speaker 1: the other way, I would have been very mad because 1154 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm so used to that narrative of the indigenous woman 1155 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,280 Speaker 1: falls in love with the white guy betrays her entire nation, 1156 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,320 Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, it's like yeah, no 1157 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:46,040 Speaker 1: so and Frozen two, by comparison, there's a scene where 1158 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,240 Speaker 1: Anna and Elsa are talking and Anna said, Yelena asked, 1159 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,559 Speaker 1: why would the spirits reward Arundel with a magical queen? 1160 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 1: Because our mother saved our father, she saved her enemy. 1161 01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,839 Speaker 1: Her good deed was rewarded with you. You are a gift. 1162 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, at first, I'm like, no, I'm not 1163 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,960 Speaker 1: a fan of that mindset, you know, and Indigenous women 1164 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 1: deserve better than loving their enemy for the greater good, 1165 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,559 Speaker 1: because loving the enemy has not stopped the enemy from 1166 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,880 Speaker 1: killing us. You know, it kind of goes into that 1167 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Pocahonus romanticized territory a little bit, you know, white savior 1168 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,720 Speaker 1: territory too, but you know, also using her power privilege 1169 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,720 Speaker 1: to help her community rather than you know, make excuses 1170 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,520 Speaker 1: and stuff. That's a welcome change. But I will say 1171 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,680 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, when they're playing, you know, 1172 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,639 Speaker 1: with the snowman and whatever, and she's like, the kissing 1173 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,800 Speaker 1: won't save the forest. The fairy queen saves the day. Yes, 1174 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: kissing did not save the forest. Her parents loved each other, 1175 01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,839 Speaker 1: but their love wasn't enough. You know. It's like racism 1176 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,240 Speaker 1: and colonialism wasn't solved just because he loved one Indigenous 1177 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,719 Speaker 1: woman and it stayed. You know, the forest was still 1178 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:07,280 Speaker 1: in danger, the environment was still being ruined, the land 1179 01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,280 Speaker 1: was going into chaos. And it doesn't take just loving 1180 01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,720 Speaker 1: your enemy to make everything better. You have to do 1181 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:18,599 Speaker 1: the work. And you know, the next generation is you know, 1182 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,720 Speaker 1: you may not have done it, and it might not 1183 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,880 Speaker 1: be your fault, but for the better of the world. Really, 1184 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, you have to do something about it because 1185 01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,200 Speaker 1: sweeping it under the rugs and ignoring history makes everything worse. 1186 01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,479 Speaker 1: There was so much that we could go into about 1187 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,200 Speaker 1: how Frozen two even goes into environmentalism territories as far 1188 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,960 Speaker 1: as it's indigenous representation. But how long have you guys 1189 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: want to stay here where we we're down to hear 1190 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,240 Speaker 1: whatever whatever you have? Like there, I hadn't even Ben 1191 01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,080 Speaker 1: made that connection. That is God damn Frozen to that 1192 01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:01,280 Speaker 1: that it's building upon clear mistakes that Disney has been 1193 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:06,120 Speaker 1: huge in perpetuating, and then you know, at making an 1194 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:12,080 Speaker 1: attempt to course correct and do that's really impressive. In 1195 01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,719 Speaker 1: the first lines of the movie, before Alfred, Molina says 1196 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,080 Speaker 1: a word kissing is not going to save the forest. 1197 01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Princess weeks from the Merry Suit, she did a video 1198 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,679 Speaker 1: a Frozen two and she was all, like Anna said, 1199 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,799 Speaker 1: indigenous writes up. Damn Prince is one of her favorite people. 1200 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,960 Speaker 1: We just we were just recorded an episode with her 1201 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,679 Speaker 1: last week. She's awesome. Yeah. I've been following her since 1202 01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:48,360 Speaker 1: like early YouTube days. Really, what else I guess in 1203 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,720 Speaker 1: regards to um in the more I guess uh like 1204 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,559 Speaker 1: basic Disney plot that is present in this movie. I 1205 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,760 Speaker 1: honestly don't love it all. There's so much like I 1206 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,760 Speaker 1: know that like Elsa and Anna, like they have to 1207 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:10,400 Speaker 1: be together because marketing, but every Frozen movie really is 1208 01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,160 Speaker 1: just like Anna, get out of the way, Like this 1209 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,120 Speaker 1: is Elsa's because Elsa is the better character, right like 1210 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,360 Speaker 1: she she is always more motivated, She always has a 1211 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:26,040 Speaker 1: greater mission than on a duh. And so this this 1212 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,840 Speaker 1: movie doesn't again where else's like by and then just 1213 01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,120 Speaker 1: like tosses on a down a hill and the movie 1214 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,920 Speaker 1: does get better after that, but you know whatever for 1215 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,559 Speaker 1: for for a franchise that is like Sisters, Sisters, Sisters, 1216 01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,520 Speaker 1: They're not together for a lot of this movie and there. 1217 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:49,960 Speaker 1: But I did appreciate how their missions slowly merged, like 1218 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,080 Speaker 1: I thought that that was that was well done, and 1219 01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,920 Speaker 1: that the way that they basically like receive this accurate 1220 01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,960 Speaker 1: history is different. They they have different where it is 1221 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000 Speaker 1: both like you know, they have the holy shit moment 1222 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,720 Speaker 1: of like this is our family's history. It is not 1223 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,880 Speaker 1: what we've been told. But I did appreciate that they 1224 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,600 Speaker 1: reacted in character, which which was cool to see. Uh. 1225 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,240 Speaker 1: I I honestly feel like I know that we need 1226 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,479 Speaker 1: Kristoph to come back because marketing, but like the whole 1227 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,800 Speaker 1: Christoph plotline like was, yeah, what was that for? Yeah? 1228 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,679 Speaker 1: I didn't even mention this in the recap, but there's 1229 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,680 Speaker 1: a subplot where he is working up the nerve to 1230 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,720 Speaker 1: ask Anna to marry him, um, which it didn't necessarily 1231 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,960 Speaker 1: add anything for me. I think they just they're like, well, 1232 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,640 Speaker 1: we need to you know, he needs a reason to 1233 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,000 Speaker 1: be here, so let's give him something to do. Um. 1234 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,639 Speaker 1: What kind of what bothered me a little bit about 1235 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,400 Speaker 1: this is that every time he is about to ask her, 1236 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,320 Speaker 1: something goes wrong. And I understand that's how storytelling works, 1237 01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,560 Speaker 1: you need obstacles, but the thing that goes wrong is 1238 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,200 Speaker 1: always that Anna jumps to a weird conclusion that I 1239 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:09,760 Speaker 1: feel had like potentially kind of something gendered there where 1240 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,920 Speaker 1: it was almost like, well, she's a woman, so she's 1241 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:16,919 Speaker 1: gonna have a wild overreaction about something where for example, 1242 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,479 Speaker 1: like when they first arrived in the forest and he 1243 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,640 Speaker 1: says something like, oh, you know, under different circumstances, this 1244 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,760 Speaker 1: would actually be a really romantic place, and then she says, Uh, 1245 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,640 Speaker 1: different circumstances, you mean like if you were here with 1246 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,200 Speaker 1: someone else, like she has just like Jos where it's 1247 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,960 Speaker 1: like what do you where is this coming from? Anna? 1248 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,519 Speaker 1: Like and and this happens a few different times where 1249 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,320 Speaker 1: she has this really like almost and I don't this 1250 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,400 Speaker 1: is me maybe just like being a little cynical here, 1251 01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,519 Speaker 1: but I couldn't help but feel that they were They're like, well, 1252 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, she's she's overreacting because she's a woman or something. 1253 01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. And I feel like I kind of 1254 01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,799 Speaker 1: worked a little bit better if they would have reminded 1255 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,120 Speaker 1: us that, you know, or if she would have said 1256 01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: verbally she's like, hey, I know I'm acting kind of nuts, 1257 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,439 Speaker 1: but my last fiance tried to kill me. I am married. 1258 01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:17,400 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, so maybe I'm not myself, but 1259 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: we're trying to have romantic moments and I'm like, oh god, 1260 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:25,640 Speaker 1: what are your motives? Even though so it could have 1261 01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,560 Speaker 1: been that's kind of another like missed opportunity too of 1262 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: like like Anna would have very like she it would 1263 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,919 Speaker 1: make sense for that character to have relationship ptsd um, 1264 01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,519 Speaker 1: but it's kind of like now we just kind of 1265 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,160 Speaker 1: want Jonathan Groff to talk to the moose, which is 1266 01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,559 Speaker 1: like I guess like it's a reindeer. It's a reindeer. 1267 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got, I kept getting. I've have spent 1268 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,599 Speaker 1: too much time in Maine. I wish I could take 1269 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,920 Speaker 1: back every second. Um, but yeah, he like you know, 1270 01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,800 Speaker 1: it just becomes kind of this like you know, like 1271 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,240 Speaker 1: him and the reindeer, and and that's the plot. And 1272 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,760 Speaker 1: I will say, I don't mind that Anna wants a relationship, 1273 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't bother me that, Like, I don't think 1274 01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,360 Speaker 1: that both of you know that every princess needs to 1275 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,599 Speaker 1: not be in a relationship. If that's what they want. 1276 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,880 Speaker 1: It's pretty like established with honest character, that relationship is 1277 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,600 Speaker 1: part of what her version of fulfillment is. I just 1278 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,400 Speaker 1: it's just the way that this plot is written that 1279 01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,400 Speaker 1: you're just it's kind of dragging out kind of a 1280 01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,559 Speaker 1: non conflict because there was no point in the story 1281 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,879 Speaker 1: where I'm like she's gonna say no, Like the stakes 1282 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,840 Speaker 1: are low, very low. And then also the one like 1283 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:49,280 Speaker 1: problem they kind of create for um, I keep calling 1284 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,960 Speaker 1: him Jonathan Groff. What's this Christoph? Uh? Is that like 1285 01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,639 Speaker 1: he is like concerned and that he is not enough 1286 01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,600 Speaker 1: and that like he you know, which is like a 1287 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,160 Speaker 1: very real thing to tap into. But even and he 1288 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,800 Speaker 1: references that in his song where he's like, am I 1289 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,280 Speaker 1: good enough for her? She's so amazing all this stuff. 1290 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:13,240 Speaker 1: But then whatever conclusion he reaches is arrived at off 1291 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,360 Speaker 1: screen because by because he disappears for a huge chunk 1292 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,120 Speaker 1: of the movie and then he shows up at the 1293 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,800 Speaker 1: end and he's like, I have resolved my personal demons 1294 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,760 Speaker 1: off screen. Uh, and I'm ready to get married, and 1295 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,200 Speaker 1: then everything goes fine. It also made me laugh that 1296 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,840 Speaker 1: at the end where either of you, I'm like, maybe 1297 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,400 Speaker 1: I just wasn't paying close enough attention. But she's like 1298 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:41,200 Speaker 1: at her like queen coronation ceremony, and she's like surprised 1299 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,519 Speaker 1: that he's there. I thought that was so weird. I 1300 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,320 Speaker 1: think it was that he was dressed up. Okay, yeah, yeah, right, 1301 01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,719 Speaker 1: because like, oh you think he would like really be there, 1302 01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,479 Speaker 1: he's all dressed up. But I also like that, you know, 1303 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to assimilate baby, I like you her 1304 01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:06,960 Speaker 1: in your leathery And he's like, oh, I think, well, 1305 01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,200 Speaker 1: when when Kristof is on screen, especially, you know, for 1306 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,599 Speaker 1: what Whenever he's there in like Act two and three, 1307 01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,240 Speaker 1: he seems to mostly be um saving Anna, who needs 1308 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,840 Speaker 1: to be saved three different times in the movie um 1309 01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,040 Speaker 1: And this is something we talk about all the time 1310 01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 1: in movies, where like women will be damseled and they 1311 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,519 Speaker 1: have to be saved by their you know, a man 1312 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,040 Speaker 1: or their love interests or something. And I thought we 1313 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,640 Speaker 1: were past all this with fro the Frozen franchise, but Alas, 1314 01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,519 Speaker 1: she has to be saved the first time when the 1315 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,120 Speaker 1: like the fire Spirit is kind of wreaking havoc and 1316 01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,120 Speaker 1: spreading fire around, Kristof has to grab her and save her. 1317 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,280 Speaker 1: She's saved a second time when she's luring the earth 1318 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,640 Speaker 1: giants towards the damn and they're throwing their giant boulders 1319 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,960 Speaker 1: and Kristof comes riding up on Spen and grabs her 1320 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,720 Speaker 1: and saves her. And then moments later she saved a 1321 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 1: third time when she's escaping and almost falls off the 1322 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,160 Speaker 1: dam and Kristof and Um Matteias has to they both 1323 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,280 Speaker 1: they both grab Rhige. I found kind of frustrating because 1324 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,559 Speaker 1: it was like that that moment where she's rescued comes 1325 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,840 Speaker 1: right after I thought like the most effective moment for 1326 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,599 Speaker 1: her in the entire movie, which is her singing this 1327 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,960 Speaker 1: song like the about you know, wanting to do the 1328 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,160 Speaker 1: next right thing, and then it's a very kind of 1329 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,960 Speaker 1: lazy choice that is constantly made in Disney movies is 1330 01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,679 Speaker 1: made right after this kind of felt like a breakthrough moment. 1331 01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,479 Speaker 1: So that was I was kind of bummed about that. Yeah, 1332 01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's a little bit of a 1333 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,680 Speaker 1: deviation from what we normally see in that she is 1334 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,280 Speaker 1: the one pushing the story forward and she is the 1335 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:51,080 Speaker 1: one making the active choices to like destroy the damn 1336 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,880 Speaker 1: and like she's the one who's initiating that action. Uh, 1337 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,360 Speaker 1: and then you know there's destruction as a result, which 1338 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,000 Speaker 1: she needs to be saved from. But it's like, well, 1339 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,080 Speaker 1: if she can do the thing, can't she also then 1340 01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,000 Speaker 1: like say herself or why why was it written so 1341 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:10,360 Speaker 1: that she has to be rescued several different times? And 1342 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,320 Speaker 1: just the idea that like having a relationship is directly 1343 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,000 Speaker 1: tied to a need to be rescued and that which 1344 01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,120 Speaker 1: is inherent to every Disney relationship of like she can't 1345 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:26,360 Speaker 1: be a fully like autonomous, capable person and just like 1346 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,680 Speaker 1: happen to want a relationship. I don't know, truly, did 1347 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,360 Speaker 1: you guys know that the film well, of course the 1348 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,920 Speaker 1: film is dubbed in Sammy, but have you heard the 1349 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:43,719 Speaker 1: Sammy soundtrack? It is immaculate and it's on YouTube. Okay, 1350 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it right after we're done with this. 1351 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,519 Speaker 1: That sounds great. Yeah, it is beautiful. Um. I did 1352 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:54,920 Speaker 1: want to quickly touch on Matteias who again voiced by 1353 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:59,320 Speaker 1: my crush it's Starling K. Brown. This feels like a 1354 01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,559 Speaker 1: response that the filmmakers got and for the first Frozen 1355 01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:11,160 Speaker 1: movie being too white, so they introduced a black character. 1356 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,320 Speaker 1: My main issue with that character is it's is we 1357 01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,559 Speaker 1: just again Other than the fact that he was present 1358 01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,400 Speaker 1: for this event that we already knew about, it just 1359 01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,160 Speaker 1: seems like a very and I mean, I'm I'm like 1360 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,720 Speaker 1: beyond thrill that Sterling K. Brown is a part of 1361 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,400 Speaker 1: this cast. But as far as they wrote his character, 1362 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,840 Speaker 1: it just it does seem a little lip service e 1363 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,720 Speaker 1: on the part of the writers because his presence, like 1364 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,960 Speaker 1: if you if you remove him from the script, nothing 1365 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,719 Speaker 1: about the story, like nothing changes other than he provides 1366 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of information when they first meet. But 1367 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,560 Speaker 1: but it's like his presence is not extremely impactful in 1368 01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,160 Speaker 1: this story. All of gets more to dude, than he 1369 01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,680 Speaker 1: does write. Yeah, I'm not allowed to talk about a 1370 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:03,920 Speaker 1: lot that I UM. I didn't hate his song. I 1371 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,400 Speaker 1: thought his song was rather I also enjoyed son. It 1372 01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,320 Speaker 1: was a cute one. So you know, there you go. Um. 1373 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:16,720 Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie? I 1374 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:21,320 Speaker 1: thought that the I know that I mentioned the environmentalist 1375 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:26,879 Speaker 1: issues are element of Frozen two, and that is something 1376 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,360 Speaker 1: that I thought that the Spirits were kind of a 1377 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,520 Speaker 1: metaphor for. I don't think it was just like a magical, 1378 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,479 Speaker 1: you know thing. I felt like with the creation of 1379 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:45,280 Speaker 1: the dam and then the attempted genocide of the nothalgia people, 1380 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, and then sweeping all of that under rugs. 1381 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:54,240 Speaker 1: When you ignore an environmentalist issue, you know, when you 1382 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,400 Speaker 1: create pipelines or you create a mind or build a 1383 01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,040 Speaker 1: dam or whatever it is is on indigenous territory and 1384 01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,760 Speaker 1: then try to act like, you know, nothing's happening, it's 1385 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,439 Speaker 1: all good. You know, things go bad. You know, the 1386 01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:15,800 Speaker 1: earth actually physically starts reacting with fracking. You know, earthquakes 1387 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 1: happen with pipelines. The water, you know, is polluted, the 1388 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:26,160 Speaker 1: soil is polluted. So I felt that elsa interacting with 1389 01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,760 Speaker 1: the spirits wasn't necessarily just you know, oh look how 1390 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: magical she is. It was healing the environment that is 1391 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:39,320 Speaker 1: in chaos because of colonialism and because of the dam 1392 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,680 Speaker 1: and the damage done. So you know, and like that 1393 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,680 Speaker 1: ties into again, you know, deforestations in lapland you know, 1394 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:54,360 Speaker 1: the reindeer dying because of global warming and things like that. 1395 01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,360 Speaker 1: You know, So even that last scene and frozen to 1396 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,439 Speaker 1: when the fog lifts and the main deer start running, 1397 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,479 Speaker 1: you know, that's actually pretty impactful when you realize what's 1398 01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,559 Speaker 1: going on. You know, in the Arctic right now, everything 1399 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,439 Speaker 1: that Greta Thunberg and aslack Homburg and Sophia Yanok and 1400 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,240 Speaker 1: all of them have been really preaching about isn't really 1401 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,720 Speaker 1: preaching because you know, they live in the Arctic. They 1402 01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,479 Speaker 1: know what is at stake and the damage that's being done. 1403 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,880 Speaker 1: And I don't think Disney, like maybe I'm giving them 1404 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,200 Speaker 1: too much credit. I don't think they wanted to go 1405 01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:33,000 Speaker 1: into Fern Gully territory where they're literally like Aaron Delians 1406 01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,360 Speaker 1: trying to chop down the trees and stuff and it's bad. 1407 01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,120 Speaker 1: It's more like, yeah, but the magic is out of 1408 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,000 Speaker 1: whack because of something they did, so we have to 1409 01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,640 Speaker 1: do the right thing. And and the fact that, um, 1410 01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, like doing your homework, especially in a movie 1411 01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:54,720 Speaker 1: like this is so important and representing indigenous people responsibly. 1412 01:31:54,800 --> 01:32:00,479 Speaker 1: Because this movie made one point five billion dollars, every 1413 01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:05,160 Speaker 1: child sees a movie at one point, like, it's the 1414 01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:09,439 Speaker 1: highest grossing animated like completely animated film of all time. 1415 01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,320 Speaker 1: I think the Disney remake of the live action reboot 1416 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,880 Speaker 1: of Lion King Is is higher grossing, but it's like 1417 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:21,240 Speaker 1: half live action half not, so it is like kind 1418 01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,120 Speaker 1: of in a murky area. But like as far as 1419 01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:27,599 Speaker 1: like a fully animated feature, Frozen two is the most 1420 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,519 Speaker 1: the highest grossing. I was truly sad that Frozen two, 1421 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,320 Speaker 1: especially with how good it was, wasn't nominated for an 1422 01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,240 Speaker 1: Academy Award. Yeah, yeah, that was, but I didn't into 1423 01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,120 Speaker 1: the Spider Verse, so there we go. Yes, that was. 1424 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,720 Speaker 1: That was my favorite movie of that year. I love 1425 01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,680 Speaker 1: that movie so much, and I just I mean, I 1426 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,599 Speaker 1: love I love animation. Like they're into the Fier Verse. 1427 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,640 Speaker 1: Should have been a Best Picture nominee too. It's like 1428 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,240 Speaker 1: people need to like especially now that um, you know, 1429 01:32:56,360 --> 01:33:00,839 Speaker 1: under the present circumstance, let's say the amount of animated 1430 01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,800 Speaker 1: projects are going way up. It's like people just need 1431 01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:06,240 Speaker 1: to like let go of whatever this like animation is 1432 01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:10,600 Speaker 1: just for like you can't tell a sophisticated story with animation, 1433 01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:15,479 Speaker 1: Like it's just so demonstrably untrue. Has anyone seen mo 1434 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:21,760 Speaker 1: Wanna Wa Wa should have won? Wanta should have won 1435 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:26,479 Speaker 1: an Academy Award. Absolutely, Utopia one, which was cute, but 1436 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,040 Speaker 1: Mo Wanna Mohanna was the better film. It was so good. 1437 01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,760 Speaker 1: Maybe cry Oh gosh, I'm never I'm not never not 1438 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,840 Speaker 1: crying during Mohanna every two seconds? Um? Yeah? Any does 1439 01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,920 Speaker 1: anyone have anything else? Is there anything you want to 1440 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:49,400 Speaker 1: specifically ask me? Oh? Well, um, what would you recommend 1441 01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:54,160 Speaker 1: aside from rhymes for young girls? What other? Because we're 1442 01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,439 Speaker 1: always on the lookout for indigenous media, especially when it's 1443 01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,519 Speaker 1: you know, shows positive representations. Are there any other films 1444 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:07,280 Speaker 1: that you would recommend? So the same filmmaker, Jeff Barnaby 1445 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,519 Speaker 1: who did Brime Stream Goals, also came out with this 1446 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:16,320 Speaker 1: awesome zombie film. It's on shutter It's called Blood Quantum 1447 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:21,120 Speaker 1: and it is a zombie outbreak on an Indian reservation 1448 01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:26,519 Speaker 1: and the natives are immune to the disease, so they 1449 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,880 Speaker 1: can't turn into zombies, but everybody else does. So it's 1450 01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,880 Speaker 1: kind of an allegory about colonialism, like should we help 1451 01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,519 Speaker 1: you guys again? Goes what happened last time we did? 1452 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So it's your typical like 1453 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to say your typical zombie movie, but 1454 01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, just what you expect from a zombie movie, 1455 01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:48,639 Speaker 1: but with enough of original twist where it's so good 1456 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,679 Speaker 1: and it is really really good. That's amazing, that sounds 1457 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:55,600 Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, and then there's um so some of 1458 01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:00,360 Speaker 1: them they start indigenous actors and characters, but they're not 1459 01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:05,880 Speaker 1: all created by indigenous directors. I think it's important to specify, like, 1460 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:12,759 Speaker 1: because an indigenous film would be you know, the indigenous writer, director, 1461 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,320 Speaker 1: people behind the camera as much as in front of 1462 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,439 Speaker 1: the camera. So Jeff Barnaby is indigenous, of course, and 1463 01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,080 Speaker 1: that's both of those rhymes. Three Young Gals and Blood 1464 01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:27,880 Speaker 1: Quantum are legit indigenous films, but films starring indigenous characters 1465 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:32,400 Speaker 1: like mo wanna Uh. There's Whale Rider, which is I 1466 01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,160 Speaker 1: love it? Yeah, I saw that when it came out. Yeah, yeah, 1467 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:40,840 Speaker 1: that's Maudi New Zealand Indigenous people. Chris Air, who is 1468 01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:47,520 Speaker 1: pretty famous, uh Native American director did Edge of America, 1469 01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:54,720 Speaker 1: which is about a Native American um girls basketball team 1470 01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,080 Speaker 1: and all of them pass a LA test. It's like 1471 01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:01,879 Speaker 1: a whole ensemble, you know, of indigenous Native American girls 1472 01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:08,519 Speaker 1: on this basketball team and they all pass. And Empire 1473 01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:13,759 Speaker 1: of Dirt Okay, directors not indigenous, but it's a movie 1474 01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:18,920 Speaker 1: about three generations of Indigenous women, the grandmother, the mother, 1475 01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:25,040 Speaker 1: the daughter, and them coming together and healing together and 1476 01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,759 Speaker 1: trying to like become a family again. And it's so good. 1477 01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:34,000 Speaker 1: It's on Amazon Prime Songs. My brother taught me. The 1478 01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,759 Speaker 1: director is also not Indigenous, but the movie takes place 1479 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:43,599 Speaker 1: on a reservation and it's very good. Then there's Leelo 1480 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:49,559 Speaker 1: and Stitch, which Alisa from Gargoyles passes the ALA test 1481 01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:54,719 Speaker 1: because she's black Indian. Yeah. Yeah, I love a Lisa 1482 01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,920 Speaker 1: Maza anyways from Gargoyles, just because it's not in the past, 1483 01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,840 Speaker 1: it's not on reservation, it's not you know, in the 1484 01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,400 Speaker 1: some made up fantasy thing. It's just this badass black 1485 01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:11,640 Speaker 1: Native woman living in New York City, interacting with awesome 1486 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,639 Speaker 1: creatures and going on this adventure and just being brave 1487 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:24,760 Speaker 1: and smart and hot top three qualities. Absolutely, and actually, 1488 01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,680 Speaker 1: hang on, is it is it over here? Okay, this 1489 01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:32,000 Speaker 1: is the sequel to the book, but Rebecca Roanhors wrote, 1490 01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,640 Speaker 1: she wrote Trail of Lightning, this one is Storm of Locusts. 1491 01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:40,679 Speaker 1: It's the sequel, but the main character is a monster 1492 01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:48,080 Speaker 1: hunting Navajo woman and post apocalyptic American Southwest awesome, and 1493 01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:53,280 Speaker 1: it's awesome like decolonizing sci fi. It is amazing. I'm 1494 01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,800 Speaker 1: halfway through it, so deeply recommend. Maggie Howsky is a 1495 01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:03,840 Speaker 1: badass in every single definition of the word. And as 1496 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,400 Speaker 1: for films that don't pass the test or stories that 1497 01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,320 Speaker 1: don't pass the tests but are still like worth checking out, 1498 01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:14,320 Speaker 1: there's a movie called Mina. It's the Inuit people meeting 1499 01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:18,759 Speaker 1: the new people for the first time, so there's pre contact, 1500 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:24,360 Speaker 1: pre colonial. So this uh woman who falls um is 1501 01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:30,920 Speaker 1: kidnapped basically by Inuite trampers, I guess, and then you know. 1502 01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:36,160 Speaker 1: The story is unusual and unorthodox, but it's got enough 1503 01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:43,080 Speaker 1: nuance and complexity where I can overlook the rape scene 1504 01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:48,640 Speaker 1: that happened, because which is handled better than it was 1505 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:53,880 Speaker 1: in the Revenant. My leagues and I hated that movie. Yes, 1506 01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:55,840 Speaker 1: you're going to have a bear in your movie, it 1507 01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:02,599 Speaker 1: should be Paddington. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Gosh, well, yeah, 1508 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,519 Speaker 1: thanks for all these recommendations. Or there's a lot too, 1509 01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot to check out. I'm so excited. And 1510 01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,800 Speaker 1: then of course Avatar and Cora, you know, because the 1511 01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,559 Speaker 1: water tribe are Innuit inspired, and I really hope they 1512 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:21,240 Speaker 1: hire an innuit actress for the live action series on Netflix. Yeah, 1513 01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,240 Speaker 1: that they don't, I'm going to be furious these be 1514 01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:33,880 Speaker 1: Shymeland again. The mess, So does this movie pass the 1515 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:40,200 Speaker 1: Bechtel test? Is a lot the outside of friends and 1516 01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:44,800 Speaker 1: movies is they will never struggle with the Bechtel test. 1517 01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,160 Speaker 1: That's true, and it passes the Ala test as it 1518 01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,920 Speaker 1: is a yes, yes it does. And then as far 1519 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,559 Speaker 1: as our nipple scale, um zero to five nipples. Based 1520 01:39:55,720 --> 01:40:01,519 Speaker 1: on how the movie fares from an intersectional feminist standpoint, um, 1521 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:06,200 Speaker 1: I think I think I give this, like I'm inclined 1522 01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,599 Speaker 1: to take a little nippleage off for the fact that 1523 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:14,880 Speaker 1: Anna has to be saved several times. I think there 1524 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:20,200 Speaker 1: is opportunity to include the North Aldre people who are 1525 01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:25,000 Speaker 1: not Anna and Elsa more meaningful e UM. But the 1526 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:30,479 Speaker 1: fact that you these characters are given this layer of 1527 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,439 Speaker 1: being indigenous, you know, the discovery that they are half 1528 01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:43,400 Speaker 1: North Aldre is important representation for such a popular, lucrative franchise. 1529 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,599 Speaker 1: So all the children who saw this now and especially 1530 01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,680 Speaker 1: Indigenous children who saw this, they have someone And for you, 1531 01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,880 Speaker 1: as an adult, Alley like you connected so much with 1532 01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:00,639 Speaker 1: this movie. That's why representation is so important. So there's 1533 01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's some pros and cons. There's 1534 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:07,080 Speaker 1: there's some minor weaknesses for this movie, but I think 1535 01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:10,000 Speaker 1: that it does pretty well. I would give this I think, 1536 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,160 Speaker 1: like four nipples. I think a lot of two the 1537 01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,760 Speaker 1: issues that we had with the first Frozen movie that 1538 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,439 Speaker 1: we discussed at length on that episode. UM, I feel 1539 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,280 Speaker 1: like some of those things are still kind of present, 1540 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,479 Speaker 1: but I think that they do course correct some of it. 1541 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,960 Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, it's a story about 1542 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:36,639 Speaker 1: two sisters who were raised in a European kingdom whose 1543 01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:41,160 Speaker 1: ancestors were colonizers, and then them having to answer to 1544 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:47,080 Speaker 1: the injustices inflicted by those ancestors on an indigenous population, 1545 01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:50,799 Speaker 1: and that's an interesting story. But at the same time, 1546 01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,719 Speaker 1: I can't help but think that when the first Frozen 1547 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,760 Speaker 1: movie was being made, the creators never had any intention 1548 01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:01,679 Speaker 1: of having Anna or Elsa be bi racial indigenous women, 1549 01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,000 Speaker 1: which is why they look so white. But like somewhere 1550 01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:08,080 Speaker 1: along the line, some person at Disney went to the 1551 01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:12,080 Speaker 1: creators of Frozen and said, look, we have a diversity 1552 01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:15,000 Speaker 1: quota to fill. Can you do something about that with 1553 01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:19,280 Speaker 1: the Frozen sequel? And they were like, sure, let's retroactively 1554 01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:23,080 Speaker 1: make the main characters half indigenous. That should do the trick. 1555 01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,559 Speaker 1: And of course this is me speculating. I couldn't find 1556 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,360 Speaker 1: anything specific about this one way or the other in 1557 01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,720 Speaker 1: my research, but that is what it feels like to me. 1558 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,479 Speaker 1: Even so, I'll give it four nipples because the movie 1559 01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:42,479 Speaker 1: is trying and I'm grading on a curve today, so 1560 01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:48,639 Speaker 1: I'll give one to Anna, one to Elsa, um, one 1561 01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:55,320 Speaker 1: to Honeymaron, and one to Lena. Yeah, I'm gonna go. 1562 01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with four as well. I think, Yeah, 1563 01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,400 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of interesting because it's I mean, the 1564 01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:04,160 Speaker 1: fact that arguably one of the biggest franchises on the 1565 01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:10,040 Speaker 1: planet prioritized not just representing an indigenous culture, but doing 1566 01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,880 Speaker 1: so responsibly. Um in a franchise that I would not 1567 01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,760 Speaker 1: have expected an attempt like this to be made, um 1568 01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,960 Speaker 1: much less pretty successfully. So I think it is pretty 1569 01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:27,240 Speaker 1: like an outlier in the entire Disney catalog. UM. And 1570 01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,040 Speaker 1: I want to give credit where credit is due there um, 1571 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, docking for like I guess maybe like three 1572 01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,479 Speaker 1: points seven five to four. This is I mean, the 1573 01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,320 Speaker 1: nipple scale is the most important thing in the entire 1574 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:41,320 Speaker 1: world obviously, But I'm I'm fluctuating between like a three 1575 01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:42,960 Speaker 1: and a half and a four because we do still 1576 01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,160 Speaker 1: have basically that I have, like my problems with it 1577 01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,040 Speaker 1: are kind of unchanged from the first movie, where it's 1578 01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:54,000 Speaker 1: still I mean, we still have an overwhelmingly white behind 1579 01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,519 Speaker 1: the camera team. It is. I think it is still 1580 01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:01,479 Speaker 1: like a very positive thing that um, Jennifer Lee is 1581 01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,439 Speaker 1: the writer and director of that in animation a woman, UM, 1582 01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,920 Speaker 1: even if it is a you know, a white lady, 1583 01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,920 Speaker 1: that still has a lot to learn. It is in 1584 01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:15,760 Speaker 1: animation particularly no small deal um, as we learned in 1585 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,519 Speaker 1: our Brave episode where the female director was kicked off 1586 01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:22,160 Speaker 1: the film. Uh so, so I I still think that 1587 01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:26,479 Speaker 1: that's very impressive. But the um having white actor's voice, 1588 01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:30,719 Speaker 1: indigenous characters is I mean in there's really you don't 1589 01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,599 Speaker 1: have a leg to stand on in terms of defending 1590 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,479 Speaker 1: that choice that would have been truly just so easy 1591 01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,800 Speaker 1: not to make. And then and then yeah, I mean, 1592 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:41,960 Speaker 1: I guess that the Christoph storyline is kind of a 1593 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,519 Speaker 1: little bit unnecessary, even though I just wish that they had. 1594 01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,559 Speaker 1: I liked what you suggested Ali far more of like 1595 01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:52,479 Speaker 1: Christoph and on a connecting on a shared culture versus 1596 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,160 Speaker 1: just like I have to ask her to get married 1597 01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,439 Speaker 1: even though she's definitely gonna say yes. It's just like, 1598 01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,160 Speaker 1: why is she so nervous of out? It a very basic, 1599 01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,559 Speaker 1: like a kind of a weirdly basic plot point in 1600 01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:10,920 Speaker 1: a very complex movie. Um. And then I do wish that, um, 1601 01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,640 Speaker 1: the indigenous characters who we meet had more of an 1602 01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,560 Speaker 1: arc um and had more to do, because there was 1603 01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,679 Speaker 1: space for that in in the movie. But by and large, 1604 01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:24,960 Speaker 1: I was like, really really really impressed with, um what 1605 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,920 Speaker 1: this movie pulled off successfully. And I guess I guess 1606 01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,920 Speaker 1: I'll match you at four, three point seven five, I 1607 01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:38,920 Speaker 1: feel mean I'm horrible now. One one to um Honey Marion, 1608 01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:43,439 Speaker 1: one to Elena, Uh, one to Elsa, and then point 1609 01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:47,400 Speaker 1: seven five to Anna because she gets rescued too much. 1610 01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,719 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna have to say four as well. 1611 01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:55,920 Speaker 1: Just the only reason. Well, of course I'm biased because 1612 01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,840 Speaker 1: I just I loved it so much, But for a 1613 01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:03,719 Speaker 1: lot of the reasons you mentioned. To have Sami people 1614 01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,559 Speaker 1: as consultants is good, but I feel like there should 1615 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,439 Speaker 1: have been more as far as like behind the camera 1616 01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:16,080 Speaker 1: uh and in the voice acting studio for sure, but overall, 1617 01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:20,840 Speaker 1: I think that compared to the likes of Pocahonas and 1618 01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:28,000 Speaker 1: other indigenous fils ahead yes uh and other Indigenous princesses 1619 01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:33,160 Speaker 1: and characters that are in predominantly white studios, you know, 1620 01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:37,280 Speaker 1: It's Frozen two certainly wasn't the worst, and it surprised me. 1621 01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:42,439 Speaker 1: It truly surprised me. I didn't expect anything deeper, you know, 1622 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:47,639 Speaker 1: but it was wonderful and I give it for Anna 1623 01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:51,960 Speaker 1: is not getting anything, So I'm gonna give it Elsa 1624 01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:59,880 Speaker 1: Elena Christoff just because he saw me. Yeah, on A 1625 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,080 Speaker 1: doesn't get anything, goodbye, nothing for Anna. Well, Elie, thank 1626 01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:06,599 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, for being here. Where 1627 01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,840 Speaker 1: can people fund you online? Is there anything else you'd 1628 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:13,600 Speaker 1: like to plug? Your tumbler for example, in which you 1629 01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:17,479 Speaker 1: have all the information about the ALT test all that stuff, 1630 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,559 Speaker 1: so the alt tests on Tumbler and then I'm also 1631 01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:26,200 Speaker 1: Ali Naddy on Twitter. Thank you so much for having me. 1632 01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:30,439 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. Please come back another time, like any 1633 01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:32,240 Speaker 1: any time you want. We'd love to have you back. 1634 01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,960 Speaker 1: This is like, this is so much fun. Yeah, And 1635 01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,040 Speaker 1: if you guys ever do want to do like a 1636 01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:42,120 Speaker 1: Pocahonas video, I absolutely recommend a little red Nacho on 1637 01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,760 Speaker 1: Twitter because she is from the tribe the mart Pony, 1638 01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:48,920 Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it, tribe tribe, so 1639 01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,880 Speaker 1: she knows about like the actual history and the oral 1640 01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,559 Speaker 1: traditions and stuff like that. Yeah, she'd be a great 1641 01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,759 Speaker 1: guest for if we didn't when we do a Pocahonis episode. 1642 01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,960 Speaker 1: So absolutely yeah, thanks thanks for that wreck. As far 1643 01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:04,960 Speaker 1: as our stuff, you can follow us at PacTel Cast 1644 01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram, and we've got our Patreon a 1645 01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,280 Speaker 1: k A Matreon, Patreon, dot com, slash pecktel Cast. It's 1646 01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,759 Speaker 1: five dollars a month and it gets you to bonus 1647 01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,719 Speaker 1: episodes every month, plus access to our entire back catalog, 1648 01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:22,720 Speaker 1: which is I think like seventy episodes. Now. I don't 1649 01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,760 Speaker 1: know how time works, but it's been it's a lot. 1650 01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,360 Speaker 1: It's a lot of episodes you can grab. You can 1651 01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,240 Speaker 1: grab some merch if you'd like, over at t public 1652 01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:35,960 Speaker 1: dot com. Slash the Bechtel Cast and uh, we'll catch 1653 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,120 Speaker 1: you next week. Gang, what is it fun? I'm like, 1654 01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:41,320 Speaker 1: what's a quote from this Well, after this episode, we 1655 01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:51,080 Speaker 1: are about to go back into the unknown. Bye bye,