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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the latest edition of the Giants Huddle podcast

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Speaker 3: dom Lance Metal. We are highlighting the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: draft class and today we're focusing on the team's sixth

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Speaker 3: round pick, two hundred and ninth overall, Old Dominion corner

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Speaker 3: Great Hawkins, the third and to get more into that,

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Speaker 3: we are now joined by Old Dominions head coach Ricky

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Speaker 3: Ronnie coach greatly.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate the time, hope all as well. How's everything on

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Speaker 4: your end?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going great, going great. We uh we're able

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Speaker 5: to get you know, three.

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Speaker 6: Guys drafted and for the first time in school history,

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Speaker 6: and a couple other guys have signed either as underrafted

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Speaker 6: free agents or for mini camps and things like that.

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Speaker 6: So it's a great opportunity for our guys to kind

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Speaker 6: of live out their dreams right now.

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Speaker 3: And to piggyback off of that point. Considering now Crey

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Speaker 3: Hawkins has to make the jump from Old Dominion to

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Speaker 3: the NFL, what does that say about how far your

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Speaker 3: program has come and the quality of talent that you've

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the thing I was really proud about

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Speaker 6: is the three guys who got drafted.

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Speaker 5: They all came to us in different ways. You know.

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Speaker 6: One was a high school recruit under Coach Wilder that

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Speaker 6: we were able to develop, you know, Nick Stala Deaveri,

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Speaker 6: Trey was a junior college player for US that we

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Speaker 6: were able to get, you know, early in my career here.

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Speaker 6: And then and then Zach Kootz, who was a seventh

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Speaker 6: round pick, was a transfer out of Penn State for US.

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Speaker 6: So I've known him for a long time, so he's

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Speaker 6: a transfer out of Penn State. So that was a

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Speaker 6: really great deal to be able to have three different

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Speaker 3: When you look at Trey, I think the one thing

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Speaker 3: his sides, his length, and his speed. How much were

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Speaker 3: you able to tap into those skill sets during his

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Speaker 5: With the Monarchs. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think we were able to tap into him, but

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Speaker 6: be and will be at the next level a dominant

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Speaker 6: special teams player. We didn't have a whole lot of

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Speaker 6: dominant gunner. Obviously, hold up on punt return. He is

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Speaker 6: such an elite tackler. I mean, you know, I mean

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Speaker 6: So I know he can do it on kickoff and

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Speaker 6: then you know he can block kicks. You know, he

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean he's a guy who I definitely

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Speaker 3: When we talk about specialty, I always compare it coach

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Speaker 4: Have the skill set.

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Speaker 3: How much do you see that in tray that there's

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you can look at it from two perspectives.

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Speaker 6: One, in his very first game, you know, we played

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Speaker 6: That's that dirty work that corners have to be willing

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Speaker 6: He did know that it was something that he might

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Speaker 3: Speaking of needing to show, I think it's fair to

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Speaker 3: not to say that he wasn't already. What was your

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Speaker 6: I mean, we knew that he could do all those things,

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Speaker 6: this is gonna sound silly, but like, what do I

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to risk injury and stuff. And those

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Speaker 6: does he faster or not? Does he play faster? Does

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Speaker 6: You know the other things, Yeah, I mean I kind

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Speaker 3: The bench press that you brought up, I would say

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Speaker 4: What jumped out to you.

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Speaker 3: About his coverage skills and whether or not that physicality

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's going to be, you know, great

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Speaker 6: and he certainly can do that. And I also think

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Speaker 6: It also gives him some options where maybe he can

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Speaker 3: With respect to his fit at the next level, where

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Speaker 3: you think he maybe needs to continue to make some strides.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that he Uh, I think

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Speaker 6: I think he's scratching the surface there. And I'm pretty sure,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think he's going to be a four

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Speaker 5: Be a guy who makes a major impact there.

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Speaker 6: We tell our guys all the time, you know, that's

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Speaker 6: two picks last year six pvus. But the thing that

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Speaker 6: he's got to continue to work on is just, you know,

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Speaker 6: having that confidence to finish on some of those.

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Speaker 5: Deep balls with the ball in the air.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's right there, and I think that that's

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Speaker 6: just if nothing else, sometimes that's just a confidence thing

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit like your golf swinger on a

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Speaker 6: Right, like you can you can do everything well, and

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Speaker 3: Well, coach, I'm glad you went there, because you do

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Speaker 3: look at his numbers. He had fourteen passes defense in

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Speaker 3: his two years with you. The interceptions, to your point,

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Speaker 3: so much more overwhelmed in terms of the man as

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, that's a very good point.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think when you look at his two

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Speaker 6: he does have really good instincts, they were both in

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Speaker 5: Two really good plays on the ball.

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Speaker 6: So I think that that is something that probably you know,

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Speaker 6: he has more PBUs and he has more of those

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Speaker 6: lot of man coverage, but we also play a lot

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Speaker 6: It may start off his own, but it quickly turns

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Speaker 6: when he was able to play a little bit more

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Speaker 5: You know. That's where he saw some of the fumble,

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Speaker 6: Caused, and and and and the interceptions and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Going into the draft, I'm sure you heard from your

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Speaker 5: Well, i'd say it fit with the Giants, I think

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Speaker 6: It got so routine that he'd make like a twenty

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Speaker 5: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: And the Giants have absolutely taken advantage of that that

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Speaker 4: I'll go back into the archives.

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Speaker 3: You obviously were a quarterback of Cornell and then you

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Speaker 6: So Kevin is one of my favorite people on the planet,

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Speaker 5: On za, you know what I mean. And and and

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Speaker 5: I've got to meet him.

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Speaker 6: That was that was he played for Coach Wilder, and

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of cool. We have ten guys

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Speaker 5: To have ten guys in the NFL is pretty.

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Speaker 3: coach two are now wearing New York Giants uniforms with

444
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Speaker 3: O'shanezimmenez at Trey Hawkins, So, I mean that's quite remarkable

445
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Speaker 3: in itself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty cool.

447
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Speaker 6: You know, we've been able to over the last two

448
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Speaker 6: years put six guys in the NFL, you know, from

449
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Speaker 6: we had two undrafted free agents last year they're both

450
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Speaker 6: stuck with the Chargers, and then three drafted and one

451
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Speaker 6: undrafted free agent this year.

452
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Speaker 5: So you know, pretty pretty awesome deal right there.

453
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Speaker 3: Well, we're sort of looking forward to seeing what Trey

454
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Speaker 3: Hawkins the third could do for both the Giants defense

455
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Speaker 3: as well as the special teams their sixth round pick,

456
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Speaker 3: two hundred and ninth overall. He's the head coach of

457
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Speaker 3: Old Dominion, Ricky Ronnie coach. Can't thank you know, I

458
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Speaker 3: greatly appreciate the time of the insight. Best of luck

459
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Speaker 3: moving forward this season.

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Speaker 5: All right, thank you very much, thanks for having me on.

461
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Speaker 3: I'm Lance Meadow and we are continuing to break down

462
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three draft class. Is today we're focusing

463
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Speaker 3: on one of the team's seventh round picks, two hundred

464
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Speaker 3: and forty third overall, Oregon defensive lineman Jordan Riley. And

465
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Speaker 3: to get more into Riley, we were joined by the

466
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Speaker 3: head coach of the Ducks, None other than Dan Lanning

467
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Speaker 3: coach greatly appreciate the time. Hope Pole as well. Has

468
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Speaker 3: everything on your end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doing great, Lance, Thanks for having.

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Speaker 3: Me absolutely, it's a pleasure having you here on the

471
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Speaker 3: program and coach. I want to start with the unusual

472
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Speaker 3: path for Jordan Riley to the NFL, because you don't

473
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Speaker 3: see many prospects have four schools in six years that

474
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Speaker 3: they suit up for. You were with him in this

475
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Speaker 3: last year with Oregon. Clearly his size jumps out to everybody.

476
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Speaker 3: That's what GM Joe Shane said when he met with

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Speaker 3: the media. What was appealing in bringing him into Oregon's

478
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Speaker 3: program this past year.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we were really fortunate to know really a lot

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Speaker 7: about Jordan before he ever got here. You know, when

481
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Speaker 7: I was at Georgia, we recruited Jordan and was familiar

482
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Speaker 7: with him there, and then when I got here, I

483
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Speaker 7: hired Tony two Eyoti as our defensive line coach.

484
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Speaker 1: Who happened to coach Jordan at Nebraska.

485
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Speaker 7: So there were some really tight connections to kind of

486
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Speaker 7: who he was as a player, for what his potential was,

487
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Speaker 7: what we thought he could.

488
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Speaker 1: Do for our program before he ever arrived.

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Speaker 7: And I think those common connections really led to some

490
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Speaker 7: success for him.

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Speaker 1: This last year.

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Speaker 3: Hasey Rodgers, who's a fellow defensive lineman, also came over

493
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Speaker 3: and he's part of this Nebraska connection from a developmental standpoint,

494
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Speaker 3: How beneficial was it for Jordan coach that he had

495
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Speaker 3: a coach and the teammate that he brought with him

496
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Speaker 3: in terms of really assimilating him into the program.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think just the familiarity in general probably allowed

498
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Speaker 7: him quickly to pick up what we were trying to

499
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Speaker 7: do and conceptually have some people that he trusted in

500
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Speaker 7: the building that he was around that he felt really

501
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 7: good being around. So he certainly thrived in this environment.

502
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Speaker 7: Having Casey and Tony here were big pieces of that.

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Speaker 3: I always say, when you look at a defensive line

504
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Speaker 3: in stats, it really doesn't do justice coaches you could

505
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Speaker 3: attest to because it's not necessarily flashy and those players

506
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Speaker 3: don't necessarily always fill up the statuet. So, since you've

507
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Speaker 3: been around him on a daily basis, and clearly he

508
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Speaker 3: got more starts with Oregon than he did in any

509
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Speaker 3: of his previous stops, how did he open things up

510
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Speaker 3: maybe for others that didn't necessarily show up on the statuet.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the very first thing he said when

512
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Speaker 1: we got on here is his size.

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Speaker 7: And what I'll say about Jordan, it wouldn't shock me

514
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Speaker 7: one bit if Jordan has a long, long career in

515
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Speaker 7: the NFL because of that size. It's just so hard

516
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Speaker 7: to find and the production. That's not necessarily what that

517
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 7: position is about, right, There's a lot of other pieces

518
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Speaker 7: to that.

519
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Speaker 1: But he's going to demand.

520
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Speaker 7: Two guys on him at all times, and when you're

521
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Speaker 7: going to demand too from not a lot of people

522
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Speaker 7: are gonna have a one on one opportunity to move him.

523
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Speaker 7: And if you want to get movement up front, it's

524
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Speaker 7: going to take two guys, which means somebody else is

525
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 7: going to be free to the ball to maybe Bill

526
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Speaker 7: go make a play, And if they do use one,

527
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Speaker 7: they're not gonna get the movement required to re establish

528
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Speaker 7: the last scrimmage and Jordan will be able to shot

529
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Speaker 7: up and go make a play.

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Speaker 3: So, with that being said, it seems as if he

531
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Speaker 3: played an integral role, especially in terms of stopping the

532
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: run last season with the Ducks, and your run defense

533
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Speaker 3: was very respectable for the majority of the season. Why

534
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Speaker 3: is he so effective in terms of using that size

535
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Speaker 3: specifically to clog holes and stop the run.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of what we just talked about. Right, He's

537
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Speaker 7: able to anchor into a double team. You're not going

538
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Speaker 7: to get a ton of movement. His length allows him

539
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Speaker 7: to keep separation from him and the blockers that he's

540
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Speaker 7: going against.

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Speaker 1: And you know he's got a great demeanor too.

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Speaker 7: This is an unselfish player, right, And when you talk

543
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Speaker 7: about unselfish players that.

544
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Speaker 1: Are willing to do what they need to do for

545
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Speaker 1: the team, I think that leads to success.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up, because when he met

547
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Speaker 3: with the media, seems like a very humble individual, quiet,

548
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Speaker 3: not very talkative. He talked about the fact that he

549
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: has a daughter, which I think speaks volumes. Coach of

550
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: his maturity. Can you give us some insight in terms

551
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Speaker 3: of who he is off the football field and what

552
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Speaker 3: he brought to your team.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's a quiet giant.

554
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Speaker 7: He's not going to say a lot and I don't

555
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Speaker 7: know if you're gonna be able to get a lot

556
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Speaker 7: of stories out of him, but he's going to come

557
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 7: to work every single day. He's going to be He

558
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 7: was always available and I think that's one of the

559
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 7: biggest trades in football is are you available?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: And what Jordan was consistently for us was always available.

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Speaker 7: He worked extremely hard out there on the field, and

563
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Speaker 7: then as a person, you know, it's you just got

564
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Speaker 7: to peel back the layers. It's going to take some

565
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 7: time because he's not going to let you in on

566
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Speaker 7: who he is a lot, but you'll see the smile

567
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Speaker 7: on his face. He's a guy that enjoys the work

568
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Speaker 7: and I think you'll have a lot of success.

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Speaker 3: And it's important to your point to have that mindset,

570
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Speaker 3: especially when you're a seventh round pick. Nothing's guaranteed. He's

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Speaker 3: going to have to work his way up the depth chart.

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Speaker 3: And that brings me to how you utilized him, because

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Speaker 3: not only did he play three hundred and thirty one

574
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Speaker 3: snaps on defense, he got seventy on special teams. How

575
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Speaker 3: did you use him on special teams? And how engaged

576
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Speaker 3: was he within that facet of your team.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a big athlete now, so you know he

578
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Speaker 7: helped us on our punt team. He was also able

579
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Speaker 7: to be availed on some other other teams for US.

580
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Speaker 7: But again it just goes back to that size creates

581
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Speaker 7: problems for the other team, and you got to go

582
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Speaker 7: around that guy to be able to get to a

583
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Speaker 7: point where you can make a blot. He's definitely athletic

584
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Speaker 7: enough that he can be involved in some you know,

585
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Speaker 7: backline ko R stuff.

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Speaker 1: Could help our field goal unit.

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Speaker 7: There's just a lot of things that I think that

588
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 7: he can be an impact player on and he got

589
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 7: some of that obviously here with us at Oregon.

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Speaker 3: I believe you ran a four to two five defensive system.

591
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Speaker 3: Clearly he was one of your interior defensive lineman as

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Speaker 3: far as coaches fit on the NFL level, Is he

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Speaker 3: a nose tackle in your mind? Is he more of

594
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Speaker 3: a different position Where do you see maybe his ideal

595
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Speaker 3: fit at the next level.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, specifically for us, you know, he was

597
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Speaker 7: able to do it all. He could play three, he

598
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 7: can play the nose, he can play the zero, you know,

599
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 7: two eyes. So you know, we played multiple fronts here,

600
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Speaker 7: so certainly we were a lot of four down, but

601
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Speaker 7: we do three down as well. So I think he

602
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 7: has the ability to work anywhere from a five to

603
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Speaker 7: a four eye all the way down the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 7: based on what you need and what you have outside

605
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Speaker 7: of him.

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Speaker 3: We were just talking about the stats are not necessarily flashy.

607
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Speaker 3: I think the one thing about the NFL level is

608
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Speaker 3: when you're an interior defensive lineman and you're known for

609
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Speaker 3: stopping to run, the way that you can perhaps separate

610
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: yourself from the rest of the pack is maybe to

611
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Speaker 3: show the ability to prove to the coaching staff you

612
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Speaker 3: belong on the field on passing downs and maybe you

613
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: can contribute in terms of the pass rush. Where do

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Speaker 3: you see his ceiling his level of contribution in terms

615
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Speaker 3: of getting after the quarterback, if any.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if we've seen it yet, you know,

617
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Speaker 7: I think that's those all come with opportunities, and certainly

618
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Speaker 7: I think Jordan will gets some of those opportunities there

619
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Speaker 7: with the Giants, and.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what he does with him. But he's only

621
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Speaker 1: going to get better as a player. He's you know,

622
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Speaker 1: he's looking, he's a learner.

623
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Speaker 7: He wants to be out there, he wants to train,

624
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Speaker 7: he wants to get better, and he doesn't mind the work.

625
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Speaker 7: So I think that those opportunities may come and you

626
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 7: might be surprised with the results.

627
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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of opportunity, I think it's interesting because you

628
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: can argue coach you and your staff tapped into maybe

629
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Speaker 3: something with Jordan that perhaps the previous stops have not

630
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: been able to do. And part of that was he

631
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: didn't get a lot of playing time. He was obviously

632
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: at the community college level. When you look back, what

633
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: clicked this year? He did start thirteen games, and he

634
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: played a lot more on defense, more so than any

635
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Speaker 3: of his previous stints.

636
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Speaker 7: Well, ultimately, when you have transition, I think you have

637
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 7: an opportunity to reinvent yourself. And when Jordan got here,

638
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 7: he was the best version of himself. One, we knew

639
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 7: how to coach him with coach Chuioti having some familiarity

640
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 7: with him before. But two, I think he came here

641
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 7: as a guy that wanted to tax on his weaknesses

642
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 7: and make them strengths, and he did a good job

643
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 7: of that. So I think you'll do the same thing.

644
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Speaker 7: You know, moving into the league is saying, Okay, what

645
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 7: can I get better at? Where can I improve? And

646
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 7: again there's the things you can't coach, and Jordan has those.

647
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Speaker 7: So as he continues to get better as a player,

648
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 7: you know, I think that you'll you'll be really surprised.

649
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Speaker 1: With the results.

650
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Speaker 3: Were talked with Oregon head coach Dan Lanning one of

651
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Speaker 3: the giants seventh round picks Jordan Riley as he makes

652
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Speaker 3: the transition from college to the pros. And speaking of transition, coach,

653
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: maybe a broad under question for you. Clearly, the transfer

654
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: portal is having such a great influence on the college landscape,

655
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: and you've been very aggressive in terms of remodeling your

656
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: team as you took over, and Jordan's been with a

657
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: variety of different collegiate programs throughout his career. How much

658
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: do you think that better prepares a player, even though

659
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: you've got to learn new schemes. But what life in

660
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: the NFL is all about and how you have to

661
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: consistently adapt to new schemes and new teammates on the fly, perhaps.

662
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Speaker 7: Well, competition brings excellence, right, and the fact that you

663
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 7: want to bring in great players that can compete with

664
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Speaker 7: each other, whether it be through the portal or through

665
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 7: development through your own program. I think you're going to

666
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 7: get the best version of people when they have to

667
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 7: compete against somebody else to earn their time, and Jordan's

668
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 7: certainly had to do that this past year for us.

669
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: Jordan Riley, interestingly, is not the only connection you have

670
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: to the Giants roster. So I want to branch out

671
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: here because before you came to Oregons, for our audience understand,

672
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: you were at Georgia and the Giants are showcasing a

673
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: lot of former Bulldogs, specifically as Zizo Jalari, who when

674
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: you brought him to Jordan Je was coming off to

675
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 3: torn acl He had red shirt freshman year initially, then

676
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden really branched out when you go

677
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: back and look at his development. What impressed you the most,

678
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: coach about his ability to put an injury behind him

679
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden make the most of his

680
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 3: opportunity as the years went by at Georgia.

681
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, as Jesus, one of those guys that

682
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: doesn't say it a lot, but his play does and

683
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: super consistent.

684
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 7: One of my favorite players that I've ever coached, just

685
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 7: has a great approach about things, very humble but also

686
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 7: very hungry. And I think that you know, he capitalized

687
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 7: on learning and leaning into some of his strengths that

688
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 7: he has as a player from a past rust standpoint.

689
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 7: I know he had some production there and has had

690
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 7: some great production for the Giants. I think he'll continue

691
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 7: to do that because he's able to say I want

692
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 7: to master something rather than becoming a jack of all trades,

693
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 7: kind of becoming the master of one.

694
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Speaker 1: And there's a couple moves.

695
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Speaker 7: But I think he's really solidified and you know, helped

696
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 7: himself in his career because he's been able to focus

697
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 7: on the things he's good at.

698
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: How much do you think the fact that the Giants

699
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: wounds up getting him in the second round, and to

700
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: most you can argue maybe he dropped which turned out

701
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: to be a great steal, but the fact that he

702
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: has still something to prove at this level because maybe

703
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: he didn't meet the notoriety of what came with the

704
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: ability to perform at Georgia and that didn't necessarily translate

705
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: automatically to where he was drafted.

706
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's going to continue to grow and

707
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 7: become you become a great player. I think in that league,

708
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 7: as we all know, you got to come and work

709
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 7: every single day and it's highly competitive and it's a

710
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 7: tough game.

711
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: You got to be all be healthy weekend and week out.

712
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 7: Two and I know that's one thing for diseases, just

713
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 7: making sure that he can be out there on the field.

714
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: But I know that if there's anybody that's working at it, it's.

715
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Speaker 7: Him, and he has the hunger to be great, and

716
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 7: there's no doubt my money can be a great player

717
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 7: for the Giants.

718
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: And you were also there when Andrew Thomas was on

719
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Speaker 3: the offensive line, who obviously has made the transition to

720
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: the Giants. What was it like watching those battles between

721
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: Ojalai and Andrew Thomas, which we're now seeing on a

722
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: daily basis at practice.

723
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Well, iron sharpens iron right.

724
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 7: And andrews an extremely intelligent player, but extremely athletic too,

725
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 7: obviously for the offensive line position. So having some of

726
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 7: those battles and practice were fun to wise when you

727
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 7: knew both those guys are going to be playing in

728
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 7: the league at some point, and now it's even more

729
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 7: fun knowing they're at the same location.

730
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: Coach, before I let you go, it's amazing your map

731
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: of the NFC East has all connections to where you

732
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: were either at Georgia or Oregon. Jordan Riley, we're talking

733
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: about the two players on the Giants. Don't get me

734
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: started about all the Eagles players that came from your

735
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: former program. You seem to have maybe a rooting interest

736
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: now with the NFC East here.

737
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching it close whenever I can.

738
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm certainly going to tune in.

739
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 7: It's fun having a lot of guys that you coached

740
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 7: living out their dream and playing at the next level.

741
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: Just to bring this conversation full circle, Coach, we talked

742
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: about Jordan Riley and maybe still scratching the surface. Where

743
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: do you see contribution wise in terms of what he

744
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: could do perhaps as a rookie, given the fact that

745
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of guys ahead of him on the

746
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: depth chart, And what would be your best advice as

747
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: he looks to at least carve out some type of

748
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: a role within the organization.

749
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know enough about the roster there

750
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 7: currently for you guys, but I'll just say this, just

751
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 7: work Jordan, and he's not afraid of hard work.

752
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I think the rest will take care of itself.

753
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: We will leave it at that. He is Coach Dan Lanning,

754
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: the headman of the Oregon Ducks. Coach greatly appreciate the

755
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: time of the inside and best of luck navigating this offseason.

756
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: You bad, Thank you, Lance.

757
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm going we're wrapping up our journey through the twenty

758
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: twenty three draft class is today we're focusing on the

759
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: team second seventh round pick two hundred and fifty fourth overall,

760
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 3: Houston safety gavaria Is Owens. And we're now joined by

761
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: the assistant head coach defensive coordinator of the Cougars who

762
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: is with Owens for all four of his seasons in Houston,

763
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: none other than Doug Belt. Coach greatly appreciate the time.

764
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: Hopeol as well has everything on your end.

765
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 8: It's going well, man, just you know, summer grind, recruiting

766
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 8: all the things opposite of the NFL that we're trying

767
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 8: to get down here.

768
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: So it's going well.

769
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 8: Wrapping up some official visits and you know, some OTA

770
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 8: stuff with our players.

771
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: And nice well as you can attest through the football

772
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: cycle and calendar never slows down. Is we're gearing up

773
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: on the NFL side for training camp at very exciting

774
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: to get your insight on what Gervaris Owens will provide

775
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: for the Giants. So let's go back to twenty eighteen.

776
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: He plays one season in Northern Oklahoma A and M

777
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: College JUCO All American, then he comes to Houston in

778
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. What were your first impressions of Owens and

779
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 3: how much have you seen him grow and develop as

780
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: a player over the last four years.

781
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, really proud of we call him g

782
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 8: or everybody calls him g O, and so really proud

783
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 8: of him. Win and recruited him in Oklahoma City as

784
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 8: he was finishing up at Ineo. Had a lot of

785
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 8: position versatility, you know, at that point in town was

786
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 8: one of the most attractive things for us. He played corner,

787
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 8: he played safety, he was he was a returner at

788
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 8: that point, and you know, just a lot of a

789
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 8: lot of potential that was untapped and you know, really

790
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 8: to see his growth, his maturity, you know a lot

791
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 8: of things that we talk about with him, you know,

792
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 8: had nothing to do football, just as you know a

793
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 8: person you know, grew into from you know, a junior

794
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 8: college All American to playing multiple positions to finally selling

795
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 8: it in safety to becoming a graduate and a team

796
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 8: captain here for US and all conference players. So just

797
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 8: really grow proud of his development off of the field

798
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 8: and obviously on the field, I think the sky's limit.

799
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 8: He's a good player who has a lot of versatility

800
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 8: who I think could provide a lot, you know, as

801
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 8: far as base downs and third downs, as far as

802
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 8: playing safety, but I think one of his biggest values

803
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 8: immediately should be on special teams with speed and with

804
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 8: length and the ability to make some plays in the

805
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 8: open field and being physical well.

806
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: Speed and special teams. Let's go there. Three hundred and

807
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 3: sixty one career snaps within that facet of the game,

808
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: and that clearly jumps off the page. What made him

809
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: so effective, because Coach it wasn't just the fact that

810
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: he played him within the different teams on special teams,

811
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: but he had two blocks of punts, He made a

812
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: lot of splash plays and seemed to make the most

813
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: of his opportunities.

814
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, he was a situational player, you know,

815
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 8: for US special teams wise, because we asked a lot

816
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 8: of him on defense, you know, early on, but I

817
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 8: think he had a knack for blocking kicks. So we

818
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 8: started adding him into into the pump block circuits and

819
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 8: we kind of saw it in some of the group

820
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 8: work and added him into some of those things. And

821
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 8: then as far as in twenty twenty one, his role

822
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 8: really increased on the coverage Union and coverage units. In

823
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 8: particular kickoff. We had had a couple of kickoffs return

824
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 8: against US. I remember like yesterad against South Florida and

825
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 8: from that point on, we added added g to the

826
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 8: kickoff team and we played Temple the next week and

827
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 8: he ran down and made two or three plays, and

828
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 8: so we kept him, you know, on those two units

829
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 8: in particular, and he did a really good job. So

830
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 8: you know, all dbs for us have to be on

831
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 8: two special teams and you know, once he his role

832
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 8: kind of grew as far as the special teams player,

833
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 8: I think he took a lot of pride in it

834
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 8: and was able to help the team and made some

835
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 8: plays on those things. So I think that transition for

836
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 8: himl should be something that he should be able to do.

837
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 8: And I think obviously coach mcgabe being being an awesome

838
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 8: special teams coordinator as well, I think he could probably

839
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 8: maximize him in a lot of different ways. And I

840
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 8: think he has enough enough length in physicality to play

841
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 8: on all four and I think that's something that I

842
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 8: think that he should be able to do effectively immediately.

843
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you brought up the transition aspect, because

844
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: when you're a seventh round pick, clearly you can't assume

845
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: you're going to get many opportunities on defense. Right away.

846
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: So the best way to clearly make an impact as

847
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: a rookie is on special teams. How much the fact

848
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: that he's had that mindset during his tenure in Houston

849
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: and the fact that it seems most players who contribute

850
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: on special teams coach and I'm curious your perspective. There

851
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: has to be the desire one thing to give them

852
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: the opportunity, but they really have to love it and

853
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: want to show up consistently gaming and game out.

854
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's about will and it's about mindset,

855
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 8: and I think a lot of it has to do with,

856
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 8: you know, obviously the skill set to be successful doing that,

857
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 8: but you have to be selfless because a lot of

858
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 8: times you may be on a punt return unit where

859
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 8: you're holding up or you're going to try to block

860
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 8: a kick or create an opportunity for a returner. And

861
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 8: I think it tells a lot about you know, a

862
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 8: guy and how he approaches special teams and being a

863
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 8: team player. And I think that's one thing that he

864
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 8: displayed here is that he was willing to do whatever

865
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 8: it took for us to have an opportunity to win.

866
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 8: And I think his role on special teams obviously is

867
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 8: something that was very important, especially here, being a starter

868
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 8: the whole time that he was here, but still being

869
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 8: able to maximize his role consistently weekend and week out

870
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 8: on special teams and take pride in those things, and

871
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 8: you know, it helps, especially when you're on these return

872
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 8: units and in some of the block units when you

873
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 8: have you know, his time here, we had a couple

874
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 8: of really good returners and Marcus Jones and Tangdale to

875
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 8: really you know, every time that we went out there,

876
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 8: we felt like we had an opportunity to score, and

877
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 8: he was, you know, one of the ring leaders and

878
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 8: rallying the troops and let's either go block it, let's

879
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 8: let's go score. So that's something that I think, you know,

880
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 8: it tell us a lot about a person, especially a

881
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 8: good player, that is willing to do that.

882
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: You brought up the name Thomas McGahee. Clearly, Giants fans

883
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: are very familiar with him, given the fact that he's

884
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: been the long established special teams coordinator and for our

885
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: viewers to understand, his son, Trent is a tight end

886
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: on the Houston roster. So a two part question for

887
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: your coach, Number one, how much over the years have

888
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 3: you been able to foster a relationship with Thomas McGahee

889
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: given the fact that his son is on the roster.

890
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: And how much do you think his familiarity with Owen's

891
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 3: going back to his son's connections to Houston will help him,

892
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: to your point, maximize his talents within that facet of

893
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 3: the team.

894
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, I missed, I missed the last part of your

895
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 8: last question, but I think I got the end of it,

896
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 8: and you know I've got I've grown somewhat of a

897
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 8: relationship with coach McGahee, been really good to me. I'm

898
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 8: very gracious when he's here. Awesome, awesome person and even

899
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 8: better coach. You know, one of his sons and our team,

900
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 8: so we've been able to see him around and he's

901
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 8: been in proda's and then I think that the last

902
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 8: part of that is he's an alump alum, you know,

903
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 8: so and so all those different facets that go together.

904
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 8: But you know, I think for him, you know, he's

905
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 8: been a long time NFL coach. You know, he knows

906
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 8: talent as well as anybody in my opinion, So whether

907
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 8: it's Javarius Owens or other guys on the rockster, I

908
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 8: think he's going to find a way to maximize their

909
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 8: skill sets and put the best product out there for

910
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 8: the New York Giants every weekend and week out. As

911
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 8: far as personnel goes, and then you know, as far

912
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 8: as who is as a person, I think people naturally

913
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 8: kind of gravitate to him, and I think that's obviously

914
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 8: it's tough to sustain multiple head coaches and you know,

915
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 8: multiple shifts in personnel, and it tells you a lot

916
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 8: about who he is to be able to do that.

917
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 8: So hopefully, you know, Jik is a large opportunity to

918
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 8: contribute for you guys, and I think with his leadership

919
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 8: and his coach and it will help maximize the skill

920
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 8: set well.

921
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 3: Job it used that assistant head coach defensive coordinator Doug

922
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 3: delk here on the Giant Total podcast about Giants seventh

923
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: round pick ture Varius Owens. You brought up the characteristics

924
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: and the traits of his skill set as a player,

925
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: and I want to transition there. He assumed the free

926
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: safety role. I think if you look at him on film,

927
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: coach I motor is something that comes to mind. I

928
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: mean you see him hustle sideline to sideline. Why is

929
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: it that that motor made him such an effective, specifically

930
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: free safety within your defensive scheme.

931
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, you know, we asked him to do

932
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 8: a bunch of different things, and I think as you

933
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 8: transition into the next level, the ability to play man demand,

934
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 8: the ability to make plays in space, whether that's plays

935
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 8: on the ball or tackling in space, as well as

936
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 8: being able to play the deep part of the field,

937
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 8: whether it's a half safety and cover two or any

938
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 8: type of single hot coverage where he's in the middle

939
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 8: of the field and playing in the post. He's kind

940
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 8: of made plays in each one of those situations, and

941
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 8: early in his career he played corner and nickel and

942
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 8: then he kind of settled into more of a primary

943
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 8: primary safety for us. It's outside of just the ability

944
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 8: to play different roles, I think his ability to learn

945
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 8: and communicate was really the difference in his development for us.

946
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 8: You know, being able to get us in the right checks,

947
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 8: being able to communicate effectively, and being able to take

948
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 8: the meeting room and practice clips and turn those into

949
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 8: production on Saturdays for us with something that I think

950
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 8: he did very well. So versatility and playing along with

951
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 8: the ability to learn UH and be effective communicator are

952
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 8: probably some of the attributes that you know, I look

953
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 8: forward to see translate for him moving forward.

954
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: You reference his experiences corner. Oh sorry, thought I lost

955
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: you there for a second. You referenced his experiences corner,

956
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 3: and I want to bring that into the equation because

957
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: on the next level, do you see him as somebody

958
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: that could play in the slot and assume a cornerback

959
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: role on the NFL level or is his fit you

960
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: think more ideal as a free or a strong safety

961
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: on the next level.

962
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think his his fit is probably

963
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 8: better suited at at safety. He could play free safety,

964
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 8: could play strong safety, could play in the box, he

965
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 8: could play on the perimeter. I think in situational roles

966
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 8: he can slot cover and do some things if needed.

967
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 8: But I think, you know, he is development of him

968
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 8: physically led us to really, you know, him playing more

969
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 8: safety than corner wasn't really about his ability to cover.

970
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: Or it was kind of what we needed more from him.

971
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 8: And then he got bigger, got stronger, kind of grew

972
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 8: into his body, and it led us to to, you know,

973
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 8: primarily putting him in safety. But I think he does

974
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 8: a lot of things well. But you know, I think

975
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 8: he's kind of settled into that safety role, and I

976
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 8: think that's where he's best suited moving forward.

977
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: What impressed you the most though about his ability to

978
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: assume the safety position, because it seemed as if he

979
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: contributed within all layers of your defense. You see him

980
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: make tackles up near the line of scrimmage, out in

981
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: open space, covered deep, he made some opportunistic plays. So

982
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: what do you think may be the most valuable aspect

983
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: that he brought to your defense that he can now

984
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: bring to the NFL level.

985
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 8: Well, I think the biggest combination of that is not

986
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 8: one particular thing. And I think every coach, especially you know,

987
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 8: with the rosters you know in the NFL being smaller,

988
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 8: and you have brilliant coaches, and you have elite quarterbacks

989
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 8: and elite receivers and guys who can do more, can

990
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 8: contribute to the team more. And I think that I

991
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 8: don't know if it's one thing from a skill set perspective,

992
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 8: but I know from a coaching perspective, is always much

993
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 8: easier when you don't have the substitute personnel to get

994
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 8: in a certain look or get in a certain game

995
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 8: plan versus an opponent. So I think he will bring

996
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 8: some versatility for the coaching staff as far as being

997
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 8: able to play close to the line of scrimmage as

998
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 8: well as provide.

999
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: Some value in a deep part of the field.

1000
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 8: And I think that ultimately that's what you want as

1001
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 8: you draft somebody in the NFL, is that you can

1002
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 8: maximize whatever skill set that they could do. And a

1003
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 8: lot of it is about learning, and I think his

1004
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 8: ability to learn and process and continue to you know,

1005
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 8: evolve as a player something that is going to help

1006
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 8: him more than his physical attributes.

1007
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: You referenced earlier the volume of games he appeared in

1008
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: and his starts forty six games forty two starts, only

1009
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: missed one game if I'm accurate, due to a concussion durability.

1010
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: As you know, coach, I mean that may be the

1011
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: most important facet for a player, because you want to

1012
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: make sure that they're available on the field. Why was

1013
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: he so effective in being a reliable option week in

1014
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: and week out over the course of four years had

1015
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: used him?

1016
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he's played a lot of football, you know,

1017
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 8: he was an im mediate contributor for us. And like

1018
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 8: I said, he grew in so many differfferent ways, matured

1019
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 8: a lot as a man, but I think ultimately he's

1020
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 8: an ultimate competitor. You know, he loves football, and then

1021
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 8: that's a trait that it's often overlooked as you evaluate

1022
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 8: you know, college prospects, especially as they go into the

1023
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 8: National Football League, is the will to compete. As we

1024
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 8: talked about what would make a good special team player,

1025
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 8: the will to win. He's playing a lot of games

1026
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 8: and been a part of us winning a lot of

1027
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 8: those games. And then ultimately, you know, he's a very

1028
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 8: talented young man. So I think the durability pieces. You know,

1029
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 8: he started every game that he was available, you know,

1030
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 8: whether it was an ankle or concussion or or lingering

1031
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 8: health deals, but you know, to be able to up

1032
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 8: here in that many games, I think it's really just

1033
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 8: based off of you know, I think our strength coach

1034
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 8: Darylbaud does awesome job with with our guys and our

1035
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 8: training staff.

1036
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: But you know, he's a workout warrior.

1037
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 8: He loves to compete, he loves to train, and he

1038
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 8: saw him in the ot Gays and the summer condition

1039
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 8: that he was always in the front right and conditioning.

1040
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 8: He was always competing to be the strongest guy in

1041
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 8: the weight room on the team.

1042
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 2: So those value.

1043
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 8: Those core values kind of carry over and they translate

1044
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 8: to being a good player. And you can't always, you know,

1045
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 8: equate that to good health, but a lot of times

1046
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 8: good fortunate in that arena has to do with the

1047
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 8: way you train, the way you prepare, and then when

1048
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 8: you are in those critical moments, that you trust the training,

1049
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 8: that you trust your coaches, UH, and that you that

1050
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 8: you're a good teammate no matter what the circumstances are.

1051
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 8: And then the investment you know in all the all

1052
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 8: the other fastest of the game as far as studying

1053
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 8: the game, being a football nerd and you know, getting

1054
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 8: in the film room and studying you know, all those

1055
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 8: nuances of the game. It's something that he really grew

1056
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 8: uh to learn and to love. And you know, transitioning

1057
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 8: from junior college UH into University Houston, and you know,

1058
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 8: he was a four year college guy at KSE State

1059
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 8: prior to going to ANYO, So you know, he had

1060
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 8: a he had a solid foundation already, and we just

1061
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 8: tried to put him in positions to continue to maximize

1062
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 8: his skill set and teach him why it was important

1063
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 8: to do certain things and then you know, add more

1064
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 8: detail into his game and how he prepared, and and

1065
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 8: that would do with the work ethic that he displayed

1066
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 8: and what made him very attractive to me and our staff,

1067
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 8: and to continue to build on those things.

1068
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: Well, And speaking of that, it seems as if he

1069
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: also made himself very attractive coach to his teammates, because

1070
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: you talked about he was a team captain in twenty

1071
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: twenty two this past season. But says a lot about

1072
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: a player when he's voted into that position by his

1073
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: teammates as opposed to a coach assigning him that label.

1074
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 3: And as you mentioned, it's going to be a twenty

1075
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: four year old rookie in the NFL, So I'm sure

1076
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: that speaks volumes of his maturity. But how did he

1077
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: get his teammates to buy into him both on and

1078
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: off the field, and what does that say about him

1079
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: as a player.

1080
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 8: You know, I think part of it was his constant growth.

1081
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 8: You know, we had a veteran dB group that he

1082
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 8: was a part of. Those guys had a very close bond.

1083
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 8: A lot of those guys have gone on to play

1084
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 8: in the NFL as well, and some of those guys

1085
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 8: left after the twenty one season, and he was a

1086
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 8: part of everything that we built from day one of

1087
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 8: us transitioning to University Houston.

1088
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: But ultimately I think that it's his work ethic and

1089
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: his approach.

1090
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say he's the most vocal guy in the room,

1091
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 8: but he's very likable.

1092
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: He's always locked in in the meeting rooms, and.

1093
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 8: His work ethic on the field and all the things

1094
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 8: that you know that you don't see on a day

1095
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 8: to day basis, strength and conditioning, extra meeting time, always

1096
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 8: in the building, being a football junkie and kind of

1097
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 8: I think those things kind of rub off on your teammates.

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Speaker 8: And I think that you know, when you have a

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Speaker 8: player vote and you vote captain. I think the greatest

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Speaker 8: respect that you could have at any level and the

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Speaker 8: team sport is the respect of your peers. And he

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Speaker 8: was able to, you know, garner that respect from the

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Speaker 8: way that he worked.

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Speaker 2: And I think his work ethic is what made.

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Speaker 8: Him really really regain that respect from his teammates.

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 8: He put together a great body of work over the

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Speaker 8: first couple of years that he was here and continued

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Speaker 8: and continued continuing to grow, continue to learn, and I

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Speaker 8: tell our guys all the time, you have to be

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Speaker 8: a great servant before you could be a leader, and

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Speaker 8: I think he was that before he was voted a

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Speaker 8: team captain, and you really saw, you know, him become

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Speaker 8: more vocal and him become, you know, kind of in

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Speaker 8: the front of the group a lot more as a

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Speaker 8: senior than he was before. But I think it was

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Speaker 8: just a combination of his body of work over his

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Speaker 8: first couple of years here that he gained the respect

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Speaker 8: of his team makes immediately and then just continue to grow.

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Speaker 3: Which I think votes very well to him now transitioning

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Speaker 3: to the Giants and healing out his new teammates. And

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Speaker 3: related to that, Before I let you go, I want

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Speaker 3: to turn to your resume because you have several other

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Speaker 3: connections if I did my homework correctly, to the Giants roster,

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Speaker 3: because you were at Alabama for three seasons as a

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Speaker 3: gratisus another Nick Saban and I'm sure you cross pass

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Speaker 3: with a Shawn Robinson who the Giants just signed this offseason.

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Speaker 3: J C asen Hour, no offensive lineman. Just curious what

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Speaker 3: you may remember from crossing pass with those two guys

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Speaker 3: that specifically a guy like Ashawan Robinson who the Giants

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Speaker 3: are hoping he is going to show up their run

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Speaker 3: defense this season because of his pure size.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't.

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Speaker 8: I wasn't there with with the offensive lineman, but I

1135
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Speaker 8: was there with a Shawn and he was a man

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Speaker 8: amongst boys at that time.

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Speaker 2: And he's going on to have a great career.

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Speaker 8: You know, I think he's you know, a versatile player

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Speaker 8: as well, but you know, he does a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's a great dude.

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Speaker 8: You know, has seen him in a while, but I've

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Speaker 8: kept kept up with his career and been able to

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Speaker 8: see him grow. But he could be a dominant force,

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Speaker 8: and I think that he's probably motivated new situation. Great

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00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 8: coaching staff with head coach there, and you know, you

1146
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 8: know I was also on staff with coach Tierney there

1147
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 8: as well. We spent a year together. So between head

1148
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 8: coach was coach Tyranny and you know coach mcgaye. A

1149
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 8: lot of relationships there and I and I hope that

1150
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 8: you know, they win them all.

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Speaker 3: So it's a small world. As you just mentioned in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. This is a quick follow up. I believe

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00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: did you cross pass with Brian Dable at Alabama or

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Speaker 3: did he come in I think after you left.

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00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: He came after I left. Okay, Yeah, I didn't.

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Speaker 8: I did not cross paths with him, you know, I

1157
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 8: had already gone going on to be to another another

1158
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 8: job there in West Virginia at that point. But he's

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00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 8: always he's been highly regarded somebody. Have a ton of

1160
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 8: respect for his journey from the Patriots to you know,

1161
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 8: bouncing back to college to what he was able to

1162
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 8: do with Buffalo Bills and obviously great offensive mind and

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00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 8: in New York and the change there was pretty immediately,

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00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 8: and it speaks a lot of volunch about him. And

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Speaker 8: I know he's a great person and even better coach

1166
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 8: than people you know, old in high regard as well

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Speaker 8: as me too.

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Speaker 3: Just goes to show you even if you don't worked

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00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: physically with the individual, you still hear war stories and

1170
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: shared experiences from the coach, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of mutual relationships.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it tells you a lot about, you know, people,

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00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 8: when you hear people that you trust and respect then

1174
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 8: that you've worked with that work with those people. We

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Speaker 8: don't know each other, but it feels like like I

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Speaker 8: know him, you know, just through all the mutual connection.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well.

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Speaker 6: He is.

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Speaker 3: Doug Belk, the assistant head coach defensive coordinator for the

1180
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Speaker 3: Houston Cougars. He was with Trevariz Owen's Giant seventh round

1181
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: pick for all four years, as he now makes the

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00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 3: transition to the Giants coach. Can't thank you off, really

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Speaker 3: appreciate the time of the inside, best of luck the

1184
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Speaker 3: rest of the offseason as well as the upcoming campaign.

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Speaker 2: All Right, thank you, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: This is the latest edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast,

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Speaker 3: which you can catch on giants dot com, the mobile app,

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Speaker 3: and your favorite podcast platforms.