WEBVTT - Jackie | Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 1>change everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been an advocate for the underdog. I would

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<v Speaker 2>give anything to help people, and I always stick up

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<v Speaker 2>for people as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jackie Crenshaw. She's a mimographer in new Haven, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 1>That means she administers breast cancer screenings and she's been

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<v Speaker 1>doing that for over thirty years. She was the first

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<v Speaker 1>black woman to manage the imaging center at Yale New

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<v Speaker 1>Haven Hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I go to conferences around the country, they

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<v Speaker 2>might be like, all right, I've heard your name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more than a career for her. She's passionate about

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<v Speaker 1>addressing racial disparities in breast cancer detection.

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<v Speaker 2>Statistically, African American women are diagnosed later as the breast

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<v Speaker 2>cancer has progressed. I am the outreach coordinator, so I

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<v Speaker 2>teach people how to examine their breast. Some people just

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<v Speaker 2>do well when they see someone like themselves. I actually do.

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<v Speaker 2>They're called beauty shop chats, so we go to beauty

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<v Speaker 2>shops and I teach breast cancer prevention.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the one calling her four older sisters checking to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they've had their annual breast exam.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say I'm not bossy, but I've always

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<v Speaker 2>taken the lead, even as the fifth of five girls.

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<v Speaker 2>A rainy day back then, there was no computers or

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<v Speaker 2>any of that stuff, so I was the teacher as

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie never had kids of her own, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>raised many.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably have fifty sixty nieces and great nieces and nephews,

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot of checks to college, you name it,

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<v Speaker 2>I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>She always put her career and her friendships over romantic relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>The last serious relationship I had was about fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a ten year relationship she.

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<v Speaker 1>Ended it because he seemed threatened by her independence. Her

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<v Speaker 1>whole life, Jackie's been the breadwinner and she's had a

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<v Speaker 1>hard time finding a partner who was comfortable with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of my people around me would say, Oh, people

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<v Speaker 2>are intimidated by you because of my career and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wit and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jackie was comfortable on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time. Say, in May of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>I had everything I needed. I owned my condo, had

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<v Speaker 2>a nice car, good job. I basically was at a

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<v Speaker 2>place where I could have gotten anything I wanted, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had everything I want as far as material things.

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<v Speaker 1>Around that time, Jackie started thinking about what she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the last chapter of her life to look like. She'd

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<v Speaker 1>been saving for retirement for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>I would put extra away, just putting away a nice

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<v Speaker 2>amount every two weeks and stacking things up. I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I would, you know, retire First I thought about six

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<v Speaker 2>to it, and I'm like, nah, I'm sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to travel and take it slow in retirement,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more she thought about it, she realized.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't feel like I was desperate or lonely or

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<v Speaker 2>any of those things, but I was ready for some companionship.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd never been on social media, much less on a

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<v Speaker 1>dating app, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of mine suggested this website, which specialized in

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<v Speaker 2>African American dating.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jackie gave herself a pep talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, jack maybe try this site because

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<v Speaker 2>again she helped me set up my profile because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>She picked her photos and set her preferences for a

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<v Speaker 1>potential match. She wanted someone self sufficient, someone who had

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<v Speaker 1>their own thing going, but she also wanted someone fun

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<v Speaker 1>to experience the next stage of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>With, someone who like to take care of themselves, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have to be a musclehead or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and someone who liked to travel.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few days, she got a match that piqued

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<v Speaker 1>her interest. She opened his message.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jacquelyn, my name is Brandon and you're beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>When she looked at his photos, one thing immediately stood.

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<v Speaker 2>Out the eyes, his blue eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon worked in construction, and he looked like a family man.

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<v Speaker 2>There's pictures of him with the kids, pictures of him

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<v Speaker 2>at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon was also a little cheeky. She hovered over one

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<v Speaker 1>photo in particular, it's like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture beautiful face and you could like see his bum

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, just lay it in the bed. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, you're showing your assets.

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<v Speaker 1>His messages kept coming.

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<v Speaker 2>The first three times, it might have been twice a

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<v Speaker 2>day or something like that, but it became very regular.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon wanted to start talking on the phone, so a

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<v Speaker 1>few days later he gave her a call.

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<v Speaker 2>He did have a deep, deep voice, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>just very calm and soft spoken.

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<v Speaker 1>They started talking on the phone almost every night, sharing

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<v Speaker 1>their life stories.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, you know, I just went back to

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<v Speaker 2>work two years after losing my wife.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife had died in a car accident right at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of COVID, leaving him as a single parent

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<v Speaker 1>to their two sons. He had kids later in life

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<v Speaker 1>after starting a successful career. Now Brandon was fifty and

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<v Speaker 1>ready to date again. He trusted Jackie with really personal challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me one of his sons had like stopped

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<v Speaker 2>talking when the wife died, but he said, oh, but

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have enough money to who you know, gave him

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<v Speaker 2>special help and all these different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon lived in New York City, a two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half hour drive from New Haven, and after a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks of talking, they set a date to meet in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>He made reservations at a really nice seafood restaurant, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, not as.

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<v Speaker 1>He know, he'd clearly done his research and picked a

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<v Speaker 1>place that would really impress. It would be his first

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<v Speaker 1>date after his wife's death, so this was a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>and he knew Jackie was nervous too, so we offered

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<v Speaker 1>to get her a gift in advance, a new date

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<v Speaker 1>night outfit, something she would feel beautiful in. He sent

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<v Speaker 1>her a few hundred dollars and she got an expensive dress.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the date approached, Jackie started to get cold feet,

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<v Speaker 1>so she asked her older sister for advice.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, no, don't go. You gotta get kidnapped or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't go to the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>She sent him a text to let him know. Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>said he underst stood they were both new to online dating.

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<v Speaker 1>He could see why she'd be cautious, so they decided

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<v Speaker 1>to slow things down and get to know each other more.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon started wooing her from afar.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's like, oh, what's your address. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>send you something and he did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bouquet of flowers and balloons. It made

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<v Speaker 1>her smile. And from there he started sending little deliveries, like.

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<v Speaker 2>If I got home late and you know, I worked

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<v Speaker 2>a ten to twelve hour day or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I'm just gonna eat both cereal, then

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be food delivered. And that was like every same

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<v Speaker 2>a weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked about her favorite restaurants. Whenever she had a

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<v Speaker 1>long day, he started sending her food that would be

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for her at her front door.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he must really care about me that

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<v Speaker 2>he was feeding me and just looking out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever he saw an opportunity to make her feel special,

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<v Speaker 1>he took it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they were love songs poems, you know, very touching,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, oh, I haven't had this in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked at the calendar to see if there was

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<v Speaker 1>another weekend they could meet in person, a redo of

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<v Speaker 1>their first date when Jackie got spooped. But Brandon traveled

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<v Speaker 1>a lot for work. If he was on a work contract,

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<v Speaker 1>he could be tied up for weeks, if not months.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus being a single dad made it even more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to find time. But he wanted Jackie to know he

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<v Speaker 1>was serious about her.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I feel like we have a connection and

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<v Speaker 2>we should get off the site. That's when we really

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<v Speaker 2>started talking quite a bit, like maybe three four times

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<v Speaker 2>a day. It felt good.

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<v Speaker 1>After that they were official.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the best, like perfect boyfriend that you could

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<v Speaker 2>think of. He just kept saying, I'm here for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take care of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie told her friends and family about Brandon.

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<v Speaker 2>They were almost relieved. I think they were generally happy

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<v Speaker 2>for me, you know, oh, she's found somebody finally.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a good match, someone who grounded her when

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<v Speaker 1>she got overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd always say to me, come down, come down, come down.

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<v Speaker 1>A few months in, they started saying those three words.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it first, but she felt it too. Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>opened up more about his two sons. The laws of

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<v Speaker 1>their mother caused both the kids to shut down. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like the whole family was just coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>a very dark period.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, oh, I thought about taking my own life,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I leave these kids with no parents.

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<v Speaker 1>On the phone at night, Brandon would sometimes cry. Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>had helped her siblings raise their kids, and she knew

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<v Speaker 1>how exhausting it could be to be a single parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon also traveled for work, which meant that the kids

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<v Speaker 1>mostly stayed with the nanny.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just me like, can't wait to get back with

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<v Speaker 2>the boys after this job.

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<v Speaker 1>Faith had been a huge part of Brandon's life and

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<v Speaker 1>had helped him through the grieving process. So on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone one night, Brandon asked if they could pray together.

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<v Speaker 1>It became something they did every night, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, Oh, pray that the kids, and then this

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<v Speaker 2>and then that, and it's just now sure tern No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's my turn, you know, back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie's a spiritual person, but praying together with a partner

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<v Speaker 1>was new to her. It took her spiritual practice to

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<v Speaker 1>another level.

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<v Speaker 2>I started praying not like I ever had before.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie was about to turn sixty, and for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in her life she had a true partner, someone

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<v Speaker 1>who would take care of her.

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<v Speaker 2>All that I've given to my community and taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of everyone. I said, Oh, it's finally my turn for

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<v Speaker 2>someone to take care of me, like God's answered my prayers.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie met her new boyfriend, Brandon Miller, on a dating

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<v Speaker 1>site for black singles. Within a few months, he was

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<v Speaker 1>saying things to her like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you seem like someone I want to settle down with.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the one I want you to raise my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be together. I used to call mister Miller.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, hey, mister Miller.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had his own pet names for her.

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<v Speaker 2>He would always say Queen, my queen, be you know

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<v Speaker 2>missus Miller. Yeah, like perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>It was easy to envision a future together. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>intimidated by the idea of helping him raise his sons.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been taking care of children my entire adult life,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't like, oh my god, I'd be overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 2>by children and at my age, how are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to meet someone who does not have children.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, he could afford a full time nanny for the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and he continued to send Jackie gifts.

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<v Speaker 2>He even sent me a necklace that had my picture

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<v Speaker 2>on one side and his on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>When she would send him pictures of her day, he

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<v Speaker 1>noticed she wasn't wearing the necklace.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, you're not wearing a necklace. I said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna wear until you get here.

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<v Speaker 1>They hadn't met in person yet, but it was always

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<v Speaker 1>just around the corner. The next time he finished a

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<v Speaker 1>work contract and had time available, he promised to come

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<v Speaker 1>visit her.

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<v Speaker 2>Come, I'm going to see you. We're going to be together.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Brandon's side hobbies was investing. He had invested

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<v Speaker 1>the payout from his wife's life insurance, which helped him

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<v Speaker 1>to stay afloat during COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>He used that money to invest and get all this

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<v Speaker 2>money to be able to invest more and just keep

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<v Speaker 2>investing because that's all he had to do during COVID

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<v Speaker 2>with the kids at home. Was learning all about investing.

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<v Speaker 1>And he wanted to help Jackie learn how to do

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<v Speaker 1>the same.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, oh, have you heard of crypto? I said, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard about it, but most people, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>getting And he's like, oh, I've really got to read

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<v Speaker 2>up on it, and you know, I know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Let me know if you think you want

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<v Speaker 2>to invest.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent her screenshots of his returns.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he starts to send me these statements which

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<v Speaker 2>he had I think at that time, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>invested two million and had four million.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie thought about her own accounts and what it would

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<v Speaker 1>mean to double that number. Doubling her retirement fund would

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<v Speaker 1>mean being able to travel more. Maybe she could buy

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<v Speaker 1>a vacation home and bring her family there too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I really want to retire, all right, So okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>She decided to start small, with forty thousand dollars from

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<v Speaker 1>her four oh one K. The account would be in

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<v Speaker 1>her name and she would be the only one with

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<v Speaker 1>access to it, but Brandon would help her set it up.

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<v Speaker 1>He put her in touch with a friend of his

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<v Speaker 1>who could broke her the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>This second person whose name is Mike. He has like

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<v Speaker 2>an English accent. He calls me and he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>help me set up the account, show me how to

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<v Speaker 2>buy bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jackie invested forty thousand dollars. It was pretty easy,

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<v Speaker 1>and the next month.

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<v Speaker 2>They sent me a state and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is this one hundred thousand dollars one hundred and something.

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<v Speaker 1>This didn't make sense. No returns could be that high.

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<v Speaker 1>This must be someone else's money, and that meant someone

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<v Speaker 1>else had access to her account.

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<v Speaker 2>She called Brandon and I said to him, you told

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<v Speaker 2>me nobody would have access, and I even have an

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<v Speaker 2>email that I said, and I said, I want my

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<v Speaker 2>money back. Because I was told that this was only

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<v Speaker 2>going to be my account. He said, no, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to put this in so you could grow your

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<v Speaker 2>money faster.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon had invested some of his own funds as a

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<v Speaker 1>gift to increase her returns, and he also wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>open up a shared account, one where they could both

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<v Speaker 1>invest in their future.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he's like, you know, I'm going to send

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<v Speaker 2>you one hundred thousand dollars and we'll invest it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know more.

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<v Speaker 1>They started painting the picture of what their life to

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<v Speaker 1>get could look like, what this money could buy them.

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<v Speaker 1>They also started planning for the moment they'd finally meet

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<v Speaker 1>in person.

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<v Speaker 2>So the holidays come and he's not able to come again.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, look, i'm gonna make this up to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Your sixtieth birthday's coming, and I said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a fiftieth birthday party on a yacht.

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<v Speaker 1>If a yacht is what she wanted, Brandon can make

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<v Speaker 1>it happen. He offered to pay for Jackie's sixtieth birthday party.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted it to be the celebration of a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>because she deserved it. This party was especially meaningful because

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon would be there to meet all of Jackie's family

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<v Speaker 1>and friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, what's the budget? He says,

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<v Speaker 2>blank check, blank.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack blank check is the kind of phrase that does

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<v Speaker 1>something to your body. She'd never been worried about money,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was the first time in her life she'd

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to play with money.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know how to plan a party, So I

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<v Speaker 2>find this boat. I start making all these plans. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I had a photo booth, a cigar bar, sparkles, DJ,

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<v Speaker 2>everything you could think of, to the tune of eighty grand. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was retiring, there's no way in hell I

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<v Speaker 2>would have paid that much for a party. My other

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<v Speaker 2>party ten years before it might have been twenty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, my birthdays in July, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>want to give my friends and family and experience that

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<v Speaker 2>they would never have.

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<v Speaker 1>When it came time for Brandon to pay.

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<v Speaker 2>He sends sixteen thousand back my way through wire transferred

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<v Speaker 2>to my account. I get a cashier's check and I

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<v Speaker 2>pay the vendors.

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<v Speaker 1>Her confidence in him and their relationship started to deepen.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever he said he would do something, he was good

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<v Speaker 1>for it. When Jackie's niece joined the party, planning. Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>was happy to connect with her.

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<v Speaker 2>My niece and I went to see the boat and

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<v Speaker 2>he called and he was talking to myself and my niece.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus Jackie was already seeing returns from her initial investment,

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<v Speaker 1>so she decided to invest more with Brandon's broker.

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<v Speaker 2>And I showed several people and I was like, They're like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you're making all this money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when Jackie got a letter about a shareholder opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was from one of Brandon's connections in the finance world.

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<v Speaker 2>This letter was addressed to both of us.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an opportunity to get in on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>floor of a new crypto company.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a million dollar buy in.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon agreed to split it with her. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie was all in. She cashed out one of her

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<v Speaker 1>retirement accounts, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Was four hundred and nineteen thousand after taxes, and she

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<v Speaker 2>made the transfer bought bitcoin transfer to the wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>Their party was still a few months away. The relationship

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<v Speaker 1>felt strong, and the returns on their investment were even stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>By now, I think he has like ten million in

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<v Speaker 2>his gont you know, and I think mine may have

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<v Speaker 2>reached two million.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie was counting down the days until her party. She'd

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<v Speaker 1>booked the vendors and sent out the invites.

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<v Speaker 2>So all the build up for my sixtieth birthday party

0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.760
<v Speaker 2>was going to be Everyone was so excited to meet branded.

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<v Speaker 2>They were going to meet Brandon and the kids. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a person who I was going to spend

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<v Speaker 2>my life with. And I think everyone was knowing I

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<v Speaker 2>deserved a partner to spend the rest of my life with,

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing how I've dedicated my life to my family and

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<v Speaker 2>all my coworkers and the hospital, I've been loyalty to

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<v Speaker 2>a fault. So they were really, you know, looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon planned to come in a few days in advance

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<v Speaker 1>to finally meet her and help with last minute preparations,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the weeks leading up to it, they were

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<v Speaker 1>constantly in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're planning the party, I'm buying dresses and sending

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<v Speaker 2>in pictures. Oh that's beautiful again, the beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>That blank check Brandon mentioned he followed through Jackie got

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<v Speaker 1>a check for one hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So eventually the check did come and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>told my girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie's friend was excited for her, but she was also

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<v Speaker 1>a little skeptical. One hundred thousand dollars was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money to receive in the mail, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was something else about this check that didn't seem right.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon's name wasn't on it. Instead, it was a woman's name,

0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 1>a woman Jackie had never heard of. When she asked

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that she was one of his clients

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<v Speaker 2>and she owed him money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, but Jackie's friend wasn't convinced. She encouraged Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the police to make sure the check

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<v Speaker 1>was safe to cash.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to the police and I say, I got

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<v Speaker 2>this check. I don't know if it's fraud or it's

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 2>bake or whatever. But they just blew me off, took

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<v Speaker 2>down my statement and just said, oh see if it clears.

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<v Speaker 1>The check cleared. If the cops weren't worried about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie wasn't either. Brandon had one more surprise the day

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.960
<v Speaker 1>after the party. He wanted to take her on a trip.

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<v Speaker 2>We were going to Santorini.

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<v Speaker 1>That trip would be the beginning of their life together,

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<v Speaker 1>finally in the same place.

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<v Speaker 2>So he wanted to move to Connecticut. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the weather's like here, and he's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, had been in New York and Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when he started sending me along with these statements,

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:04.760
<v Speaker 2>he's sending me real estate listings of a million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>homes in affluent parts of Connecticut.

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 1>They were strategizing about which town and neighborhood would be

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.399
<v Speaker 1>best for his kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, Oh, what are the schools like around there?

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling them about the country day schools and

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<v Speaker 2>where they are.

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<v Speaker 1>The date of the party was growing closer. Brandon was

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<v Speaker 1>finishing up a work contract across the country.

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 2>And he's still He's coming, He's coming, he's coming. He's

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<v Speaker 2>wrapping up the job in California.

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<v Speaker 1>About a week before the party, I get.

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<v Speaker 2>A call on my cell phone and I said East

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Haven Police. I'm like, God, what the hell do they want?

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 2>She picked up and it's a detective trand he says this,

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Jacquelin Crinchhaw. I say yes, he said, Jacquelin, we got

0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a call, an anonymous call from a gentleman with a

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<v Speaker 2>thick Indian accent, stating you were being scammed and they

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 2>felt sorry for you.

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<v Speaker 1>After planning a blank chech sixtieth birthday party, scheduling a

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>trip to Santorini and going in on million dollar investments.

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Jackie still hadn't met Brandon. That's when she got a

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:38.440
<v Speaker 1>call from a detective.

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 2>He says, this, Jacqueline Crine, Shall I say yes? He said, Jacqueline,

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>we got a call, an anonymous call from a gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>with a thick Indian accent, stating you were being scammed

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 2>and they felt sorry for you. I think I like

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>blanked out, maybe had a little seizure or or just

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that gut punch. He was like hello, I said, uh.

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>He said, are you being scammed? And I said, uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>like very doubtful, like oh so I hung.

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Up Immediately, Jackie tried to sign into her online account

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 1>where she managed all of her investments, but the website

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>was down. She was locked out. In that moment, everything

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>clicked for Jackie, the doubts she pushed away about Brandon,

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>about that one hundred thousand dollars check. She wasn't ready

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>to admit it out loud, but she knew the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>My head exploded, like I said, oh my god, oh

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 2>my god, oh my god, oh my god. I sat

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<v Speaker 2>for probably two hours numb, very numb, thinking oh my god,

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, and

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to tally up all the losses.

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<v Speaker 1>The loss was massive. She'd cashed out all of her

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:09.159
<v Speaker 1>retirement accounts, hundreds of thousands. She'd even borrowed against the

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>value of her home. While she was reeling, she knew

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 1>one thing. She couldn't let Brandon know that she had

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 1>been tipped off.

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>So the next day Brandon called, I said, oh, I'm

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>not feeling well. You know, I've got to sign his headache.

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't say anything. I just was trying to

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:29.959
<v Speaker 2>figure out what the hell I was going to do.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>She went to the police again. This time it wasn't

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>a suspicion. She knew something was wrong and she wanted

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>her money back.

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<v Speaker 2>I get an appointment with the state police and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, try to bring you all the information you can.

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>And Jackie had the receipts, thousands of them. She went

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 1>to geek squad Best Buy to transfer all of her

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>text messages and emails with Brandon to a hard drive.

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 2>It took them six hours. I think there has to

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>be over ten thousand. I don't know twenty thousand text

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>messages and all this stuff. I made capies and I

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>have a suitcase full of these text messages. So I

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>went dramatically to the State Police, dragging a suitcase in

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 2>this sea drive.

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>The investigation would take some time, and the cops wanted

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to get as much out of Brandon as they could.

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 2>When I went to the State Police, they tried to

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>get me to still talk to him, but I just

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 2>couldn't fake it any longer.

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>She needed to confront Brandon about all the money he

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>had stolen from her.

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I said, you ruined my life, you know. He denied it.

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, where's this coming from? And I was like,

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>I can't even believe this, and he just like, no,

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>let me talk to my broker. I'm going to get

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>this straightened out.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>This confrontation, and it wouldn't be without consequence.

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I was getting all these rejection letters from credit unions,

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Christian credit unions, credit card companies, all all. I'm like,

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 2>what is this? I did not apply for any of this.

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Since Brandon knew Jackie was on to him, he made

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.239
<v Speaker 1>a last ditch effort to squeeze her for all she

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>was worth. Suddenly, Jackie was getting notifications from banks and

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>credit card companies she'd never heard of.

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>How could I owe City Bank one hundred thousand dollars

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.479
<v Speaker 2>when my limit was forty thousand On my credit report

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 2>there is an account from Fifth Third Bank. I do

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 2>not have the Fifth Third account, so if that count

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>was open at that bank, they may have used checks

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>to make payments to my MasterCard, which were fake checks anyway,

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 2>but they paid them.

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>After that, Brandon went MIA. He disappeared from Jackie's life entirely,

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and the police investigation uncovered that the real person in

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Brandon's photos.

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Was a gentleman from Australia.

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>The guy in the pictures had no idea who Jackie was.

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>He lived in Australia, worked in construction, and unbeknownst to him,

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>someone somewhere had been stealing his photos straight from his

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>public social media profiles. Jackie was reeling because she'd spoken

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to Brandon's two kids on the phone. All of a sudden,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>she realized those must have been adults, disguising their voices

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and playing the part of children.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>He was controlling it all because it was like texting

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>me at the same time, I guess, acting like he

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was the kids.

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>It was so intricate. There was no way Brandon could

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>have done this alone. The police had been investigating her

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>case and they came back with a few answers.

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>The state trooper traced two of the crypto wallets bunch

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Shanghai went to Nigeria.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>The investigation led the police across the world to warehouses

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>full of computers, and the.

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Police actually investigatively had traveled to Thailand and Cambodia and

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>said the building was as big as a casino, full

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>of tables and computers and people scamming. So I stepped

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:32.959
<v Speaker 2>into something huge. I think it is international, and I

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>have no idea where this person is.

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>As far as that one hundred thousand dollars check Jackie

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>got in the mail, the police went back to check

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it out. They found out that it was sent from

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>a woman in Florida who was another victim of this

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>complex scam.

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I find out later from the state police that she

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>sent two people one hundred thousand dollars and she thought

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I was an investor. That's what she was told.

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>One thing she doesn't have the answer to is who

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>called to tip off the police. She wonders if it

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>was Brandon himself disguising his voice or someone else who

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>she'd never met.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend thinks that maybe it was him, and she's like,

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he's had feelings for you, And I think

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>somebody probably if you were talking to me for a year,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you'd probably get feelings for me too.

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>While detectives chased wallets across borders, Jackie had to live

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.479
<v Speaker 1>in the wreckage. At home, there was still the question

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of her party, which was supposed to be the following week.

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Why would I cancel if we've already I someone was

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>invested like seventy two grand.

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>She'd already paid for the party, so she might as

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>well enjoy it.

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>It was a white party, it was open bar. It

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 2>was unbelievable. Some people will never experience this again in

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:03.719
<v Speaker 2>their life. You know. It was a beautiful day, so

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're all just on this sixtieth birthday party

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>having a great time.

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>But the whole party was built on an illusion, and

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Jackie was one of the only ones that day who

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>knew the truth. It was hard enough for Jackie to

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>go through with the party. She couldn't bring herself to

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>tell her friends and family what really happened.

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>So we go on. The party goes on without a hitch.

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, They're like, oh, where's the old couldn't you know,

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>couldn't make it because I was kind of it was

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of dark, and I'm going through with the state

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>police and the investigation.

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>But after the party, it was time to face the music.

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to have to deal with what is happening

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>now with all these finances. It seemed like mission impossible.

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 2>With how I was trying to deal with this.

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>She had to tell her family and friends what happened.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I tell my niece, and I tell my best friend,

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>my godmother who's in her eighties. I thought she was

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 2>going to have like a heart attack. She was so

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>heartbroken that someone would do this to me.

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Even Jackie was having a hard time believing it. Everything

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>about Brandon felt so real. They prayed together. He's in

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>her meals multiple times a week. He really knew her.

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>It made Jackie question the thing she knew to be

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>true about herself.

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was like a sharper tech in the box.

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>It seems ridiculous because there was Some of my friends

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>are like, jack come on, he can't show his face.

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>This is a scam. Only look me. Maybe twice I

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>heard this is a scam.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>When she reflects on how this happened, it's.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>A psychological thing where I feel like I got softened

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>by that partner being just that great and supportive and

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm so proud of you and da da dah, this

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>and that, but human and I think that human factor

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>got in and he was able to, whether you say,

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 2>manipulate me or just have me trust him.

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>The emotional manipulation is the thing that she struggles to

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>make sense of. She wasn't desperate for a partner, She

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>was just open to connection, and Brandon, whoever he was,

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>took advantage of that. It was enough of an opening

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>for this scam to work.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 2>He really sold me like, Yep, we're going to be together.

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 2>So I think just that vulnerability, which I didn't at

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the time think I had, it is so hard to

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 2>stop my brain from just you know, rehash, rehash, rehash.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Jackie's had to face steep financial consequences. When we asked

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 1>her the total amount she started shuffling through papers.

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Forty thousand, four one hundred and twenty thousand, one hundred

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>and eighty nine thousand, plus another one hundred and fifty

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand plus one hundred thousand to bank of America thirty

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand to Navy Federal Did I say City Bank one

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand. It's definitely over a million.

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>She'd been wiped out for the first time in decades.

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 1>She had to budget for every dollar.

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I was in my local grocery store and this cheese

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>company had some smoke gooda cheese. So I said, oh,

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>taystep and I said to him, Oh, how much is this?

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 2>It was eight ninety nine, and I said, shit, I

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 2>can't justify paying almost ten dollars for a little tiny

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>ball of cheese.

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Jackie borrowed money from her niece to get an attorney

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to file for Chapter thirteen bankruptcy.

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:57.439
<v Speaker 2>I owe City Bank one hundred thousand dollars. They want

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty five hundred a month. What I try, I had

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to do was negotiate, but it's not working. My credit

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>went from seven ninety to now five hundred. I've never

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>ever had bad credit. I never missed the payment on anything,

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 2>but now having to see what bad credit does. I

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 2>work hard, I make my money, and it's going right back.

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Out because of this scam. She'll never have the retirement

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>she planned and saved her entire life for.

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 2>That part brings a lot of anger and hurt. I

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 2>got a tax bill from the IRS for the four

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 2>h three B I owe fifty five thousand, fifty six

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>now and I'll have to make a payment plan.

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 1>And because she borrowed a get is the value of

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 1>her home.

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm in a short sale. We got to find you

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 2>somewhere lit. I'm just not sure what the future holds.

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>She held out a hope for a few months that

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the police could recover her assets, but because crypto transactions

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>use the blockchain and not traditional banks, that money can't

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>be traced back to individuals. The police hit a dead end.

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I know I'm not going to get a dime of

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>that money back, but they are keeping the case open.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 1>The police were so worried about Jackie's mental health that

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 1>they sent a social worker to do a wellness check.

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe because I do have a gun permit and I

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 2>have a gun, that they might look like, uh oh,

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>because people have taken their lives or harmed themselves with

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 2>all of this going on, and with just the pure

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>magnitude of how much money I lost, But that was

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 2>never a thought, ever a thought.

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Jackie's resilient.

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>She kept going, I don't let it consume me, because

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 2>that would paralyze me. I'm like, I gotta go to work.

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I gotta face these people, and that right was one

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>of the hardest things I had to do at that time,

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>was put a smile on my face and continue on.

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>There's a ignition in me that is gonna prevail with this.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>She says.

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Her line of work puts loss in perspective.

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Working at a cancer hospital. You know, I like stuff,

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I like nice things, but you can't take any of

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>it with you.

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Her knee stepped up and started a fundraising campaign, which

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>helped Jackie cover a few bills.

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Maybe like four thousand. People gave what they could, but

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I was overwhelmed with people just being generous.

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, this type of crime is prevalent in older demographics,

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>and Jackie's story, while devastating, is not unique. AARP, a

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>nonprofit organization that provides resources related to aging, reached out

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to Jackie. They wanted to work with her to help

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 1>educate others about these types of scams.

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I was a spotl like speaker for April and one

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 2>woman you know, confessed that she was scammed and she's like,

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, how do you move on? I said, One

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>day at a time. There's times I want to beat

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>myself up, but nope, I just educate people, and I

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 2>always say, don't do what I did. That's what is

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>motivating me to fight.

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Jackie wants to help prevent this kind of scam from

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>happening to other people, to show how sophisticated these scams

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>can be. Jackie didn't trust Brandon based on his online

0:39:56.200 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>messages alone. He invested real money into her life, and

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>she saw the payoff. Her favorite meals were delivered to

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>her door. Expensive jewelry arrived in the mail, Her bank

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 1>accounts grew. It was more than just a promise of luxury.

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 1>It was the true taste of it for many months.

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Scammers like Jackies are willing to spend one hundred thousand

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.800
<v Speaker 1>dollars on their victims if it means they will eventually

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>get a million back. These scams don't happen in the

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 1>blink of an eye. The scammers invest money, emotion, and

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.439
<v Speaker 1>time into their victims for months before pulling their rug

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>out from under them. We end every weekly episode with

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the same question, why do you want to share your story?

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I have to tell myself every day I'm a victim.

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Whoever is on these websites scamming people. Their entire job

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>is to distance me with my money, and I know,

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:03.240
<v Speaker 2>just talking people, they are plagued with fear and embarrassment,

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and that fight in me said, if you go hide

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and you don't tell your story and you know you're embarrassed,

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to help anyone.

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly.

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:34.439
<v Speaker 3>Within seconds, I get a Facebook message, is this about

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 3>your dad? And I got like a chill down my back.

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I responded with yes, with like a bunch of dots,

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 3>and he immediately replied with I know this because it

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 3>happened to me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we end the episode, I have some exciting news Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be doing our first ever live show as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Virgin Voyage's True Crime Cruise. We'll be answering

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<v Speaker 1>listener questions and discussing them live on stage with Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>and Tyler from Betrayal season three, as well as Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>from season four. So if you have a question for us,

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