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Speaker 1: Hey, Betrayal fans, I have exciting news to share. Season

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Speaker 1: three of Betrayal is now a docu series on Hulu.

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Speaker 1: It's the gripping story of Stacy Tyler and the doctor

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Speaker 1: who betrayed them. See the voices You've come to know

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Speaker 1: in Betrayal Under His Eye, streaming now on Hulu.

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Speaker 2: The state trooper traced two of the wallets, one to Shanghai,

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Speaker 2: one to Nigeria, and she said the building was as

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Speaker 2: big as a casino, full of tables and computers and

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Speaker 2: people scamming.

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Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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Speaker 1: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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Speaker 1: change everything.

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Speaker 2: I've always been an advocate for the underdog. I would

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Speaker 2: give anything to help people, and I always stick up

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Speaker 2: for people as well.

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Speaker 1: That's Jackie Crenshaw. She's a mimographer in new Haven, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: That means she administers breast cancer screenings and she's been

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Speaker 1: doing that for over thirty years. She was the first

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Speaker 2: And when I go to conferences around the country, they

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Speaker 2: might be like, all right, I've heard your name.

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Speaker 1: It's more than a career for her. She's passionate about

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Speaker 1: addressing racial disparities in breast cancer detection.

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Speaker 2: Statistically, African American women are diagnosed later as the breast

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Speaker 2: cancer has progressed. I am the outreach coordinator, so I

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Speaker 2: teach people how to examine their breast. Some people just

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Speaker 2: do well when they see someone like themselves. I actually do.

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Speaker 2: They're called beauty shop chats, so we go to beauty

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Speaker 1: She's the one calling her four older sisters checking to

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Speaker 2: I have to say I'm not bossy, but I've always

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Speaker 2: taken the lead, even as the fifth of five girls.

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Speaker 2: A rainy day back then, there was no computers or

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Speaker 1: Jackie never had kids of her own, but I have

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Speaker 2: I probably have fifty sixty nieces and great nieces and nephews,

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Speaker 1: She always put her career and her friendships over romantic relationships.

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Speaker 2: The last serious relationship I had was about fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Ended it because he seemed threatened by her independence. Her

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Speaker 2: Most of my people around me would say, Oh, people

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Speaker 2: At that time. Say, in May of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Around that time, Jackie started thinking about what she wanted

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Speaker 1: She'd never been on social media, much less on a

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, you know, I just went back to

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Speaker 2: He told me one of his sons had like stopped

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Speaker 1: It was a bouquet of flowers and balloons. It made

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Speaker 2: He's like, I feel like we have a connection and

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Speaker 1: On the phone at night, Brandon would sometimes cry. Jackie

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Speaker 1: Jackie's a spiritual person, but praying together with a partner

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Speaker 1: Jackie was about to turn sixty, and for the first

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Speaker 1: Jackie met her new boyfriend, Brandon Miller, on a dating

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Speaker 2: So then he's like, you know, I'm going to send

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Speaker 1: Plus Jackie was already seeing returns from her initial investment,

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Speaker 1: That's when Jackie got a letter about a shareholder opportunity.

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Speaker 2: This letter was addressed to both of us.

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Speaker 1: Their party was still a few months away. The relationship

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Speaker 2: So all the build up for my sixtieth birthday party

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Speaker 2: So we're planning the party, I'm buying dresses and sending

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Speaker 2: So eventually the check did come and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: He says, this, Jacqueline Crine, Shall I say yes? He said, Jacqueline,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, and

445
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: just trying to tally up all the losses.

446
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: The loss was massive. She'd cashed out all of her

447
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: retirement accounts, hundreds of thousands. She'd even borrowed against the

448
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: value of her home. While she was reeling, she knew

449
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: one thing. She couldn't let Brandon know that she had

450
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: been tipped off.

451
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: So the next day Brandon called, I said, oh, I'm

452
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: not feeling well. You know, I've got to sign his headache.

453
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: And I didn't say anything. I just was trying to

454
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 2: figure out what the hell I was going to do.

455
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: She went to the police again. This time it wasn't

456
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: a suspicion. She knew something was wrong and she wanted

457
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: her money back.

458
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: I get an appointment with the state police and he's like,

459
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, try to bring you all the information you can.

460
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: And Jackie had the receipts, thousands of them. She went

461
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: to geek squad Best Buy to transfer all of her

462
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: text messages and emails with Brandon to a hard drive.

463
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: It took them six hours. I think there has to

464
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: be over ten thousand. I don't know twenty thousand text

465
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: messages and all this stuff. I made capies and I

466
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: have a suitcase full of these text messages. So I

467
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: went dramatically to the State Police, dragging a suitcase in

468
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: this sea drive.

469
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: The investigation would take some time, and the cops wanted

470
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: to get as much out of Brandon as they could.

471
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: When I went to the State Police, they tried to

472
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: get me to still talk to him, but I just

473
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: couldn't fake it any longer.

474
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: She needed to confront Brandon about all the money he

475
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: had stolen from her.

476
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: I said, you ruined my life, you know. He denied it.

477
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, where's this coming from? And I was like,

478
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: I can't even believe this, and he just like, no,

479
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: let me talk to my broker. I'm going to get

480
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: this straightened out.

481
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: This confrontation, and it wouldn't be without consequence.

482
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: I was getting all these rejection letters from credit unions,

483
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: Christian credit unions, credit card companies, all all. I'm like,

484
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: what is this? I did not apply for any of this.

485
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: Since Brandon knew Jackie was on to him, he made

486
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: a last ditch effort to squeeze her for all she

487
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: was worth. Suddenly, Jackie was getting notifications from banks and

488
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: credit card companies she'd never heard of.

489
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: How could I owe City Bank one hundred thousand dollars

490
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 2: when my limit was forty thousand On my credit report

491
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: there is an account from Fifth Third Bank. I do

492
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: not have the Fifth Third account, so if that count

493
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: was open at that bank, they may have used checks

494
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: to make payments to my MasterCard, which were fake checks anyway,

495
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: but they paid them.

496
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: After that, Brandon went MIA. He disappeared from Jackie's life entirely,

497
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: and the police investigation uncovered that the real person in

498
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Brandon's photos.

499
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: Was a gentleman from Australia.

500
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: The guy in the pictures had no idea who Jackie was.

501
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: He lived in Australia, worked in construction, and unbeknownst to him,

502
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: someone somewhere had been stealing his photos straight from his

503
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: public social media profiles. Jackie was reeling because she'd spoken

504
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: to Brandon's two kids on the phone. All of a sudden,

505
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: she realized those must have been adults, disguising their voices

506
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: and playing the part of children.

507
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: He was controlling it all because it was like texting

508
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: me at the same time, I guess, acting like he

509
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: was the kids.

510
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: It was so intricate. There was no way Brandon could

511
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: have done this alone. The police had been investigating her

512
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: case and they came back with a few answers.

513
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: The state trooper traced two of the crypto wallets bunch

514
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: Shanghai went to Nigeria.

515
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: The investigation led the police across the world to warehouses

516
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: full of computers, and the.

517
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: Police actually investigatively had traveled to Thailand and Cambodia and

518
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: said the building was as big as a casino, full

519
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: of tables and computers and people scamming. So I stepped

520
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 2: into something huge. I think it is international, and I

521
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: have no idea where this person is.

522
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: As far as that one hundred thousand dollars check Jackie

523
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: got in the mail, the police went back to check

524
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: it out. They found out that it was sent from

525
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: a woman in Florida who was another victim of this

526
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: complex scam.

527
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: I find out later from the state police that she

528
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: sent two people one hundred thousand dollars and she thought

529
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: I was an investor. That's what she was told.

530
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: One thing she doesn't have the answer to is who

531
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: called to tip off the police. She wonders if it

532
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: was Brandon himself disguising his voice or someone else who

533
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: she'd never met.

534
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: My girlfriend thinks that maybe it was him, and she's like,

535
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: I think he's had feelings for you, And I think

536
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: somebody probably if you were talking to me for a year,

537
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: you'd probably get feelings for me too.

538
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: While detectives chased wallets across borders, Jackie had to live

539
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: in the wreckage. At home, there was still the question

540
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: of her party, which was supposed to be the following week.

541
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: Why would I cancel if we've already I someone was

542
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: invested like seventy two grand.

543
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: She'd already paid for the party, so she might as

544
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: well enjoy it.

545
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: It was a white party, it was open bar. It

546
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: was unbelievable. Some people will never experience this again in

547
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 2: their life. You know. It was a beautiful day, so

548
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, we're all just on this sixtieth birthday party

549
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: having a great time.

550
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: But the whole party was built on an illusion, and

551
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: Jackie was one of the only ones that day who

552
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: knew the truth. It was hard enough for Jackie to

553
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: go through with the party. She couldn't bring herself to

554
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: tell her friends and family what really happened.

555
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: So we go on. The party goes on without a hitch.

556
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: You know, They're like, oh, where's the old couldn't you know,

557
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: couldn't make it because I was kind of it was

558
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: kind of dark, and I'm going through with the state

559
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: police and the investigation.

560
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: But after the party, it was time to face the music.

561
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm starting to have to deal with what is happening

562
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: now with all these finances. It seemed like mission impossible.

563
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: With how I was trying to deal with this.

564
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: She had to tell her family and friends what happened.

565
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: I tell my niece, and I tell my best friend,

566
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: my godmother who's in her eighties. I thought she was

567
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: going to have like a heart attack. She was so

568
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: heartbroken that someone would do this to me.

569
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: Even Jackie was having a hard time believing it. Everything

570
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: about Brandon felt so real. They prayed together. He's in

571
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: her meals multiple times a week. He really knew her.

572
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: It made Jackie question the thing she knew to be

573
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: true about herself.

574
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: I thought I was like a sharper tech in the box.

575
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: It seems ridiculous because there was Some of my friends

576
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: are like, jack come on, he can't show his face.

577
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: This is a scam. Only look me. Maybe twice I

578
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: heard this is a scam.

579
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: When she reflects on how this happened, it's.

580
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: A psychological thing where I feel like I got softened

581
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: by that partner being just that great and supportive and

582
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you and da da dah, this

583
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: and that, but human and I think that human factor

584
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: got in and he was able to, whether you say,

585
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: manipulate me or just have me trust him.

586
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: The emotional manipulation is the thing that she struggles to

587
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: make sense of. She wasn't desperate for a partner, She

588
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: was just open to connection, and Brandon, whoever he was,

589
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: took advantage of that. It was enough of an opening

590
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: for this scam to work.

591
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: He really sold me like, Yep, we're going to be together.

592
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: So I think just that vulnerability, which I didn't at

593
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: the time think I had, it is so hard to

594
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: stop my brain from just you know, rehash, rehash, rehash.

595
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Jackie's had to face steep financial consequences. When we asked

596
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: her the total amount she started shuffling through papers.

597
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: Forty thousand, four one hundred and twenty thousand, one hundred

598
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: and eighty nine thousand, plus another one hundred and fifty

599
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: thousand plus one hundred thousand to bank of America thirty

600
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: thousand to Navy Federal Did I say City Bank one

601
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: hundred thousand. It's definitely over a million.

602
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: She'd been wiped out for the first time in decades.

603
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: She had to budget for every dollar.

604
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: I was in my local grocery store and this cheese

605
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: company had some smoke gooda cheese. So I said, oh,

606
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: taystep and I said to him, Oh, how much is this?

607
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: It was eight ninety nine, and I said, shit, I

608
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: can't justify paying almost ten dollars for a little tiny

609
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: ball of cheese.

610
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Jackie borrowed money from her niece to get an attorney

611
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: to file for Chapter thirteen bankruptcy.

612
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: I owe City Bank one hundred thousand dollars. They want

613
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred a month. What I try, I had

614
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: to do was negotiate, but it's not working. My credit

615
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: went from seven ninety to now five hundred. I've never

616
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: ever had bad credit. I never missed the payment on anything,

617
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: but now having to see what bad credit does. I

618
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: work hard, I make my money, and it's going right back.

619
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Out because of this scam. She'll never have the retirement

620
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: she planned and saved her entire life for.

621
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: That part brings a lot of anger and hurt. I

622
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: got a tax bill from the IRS for the four

623
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: h three B I owe fifty five thousand, fifty six

624
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: now and I'll have to make a payment plan.

625
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: And because she borrowed a get is the value of

626
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: her home.

627
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm in a short sale. We got to find you

628
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: somewhere lit. I'm just not sure what the future holds.

629
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: She held out a hope for a few months that

630
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: the police could recover her assets, but because crypto transactions

631
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: use the blockchain and not traditional banks, that money can't

632
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: be traced back to individuals. The police hit a dead end.

633
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: I know I'm not going to get a dime of

634
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: that money back, but they are keeping the case open.

635
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: The police were so worried about Jackie's mental health that

636
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: they sent a social worker to do a wellness check.

637
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: Maybe because I do have a gun permit and I

638
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: have a gun, that they might look like, uh oh,

639
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: because people have taken their lives or harmed themselves with

640
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: all of this going on, and with just the pure

641
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: magnitude of how much money I lost, But that was

642
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: never a thought, ever a thought.

643
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Jackie's resilient.

644
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: She kept going, I don't let it consume me, because

645
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: that would paralyze me. I'm like, I gotta go to work.

646
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: I gotta face these people, and that right was one

647
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: of the hardest things I had to do at that time,

648
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: was put a smile on my face and continue on.

649
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: There's a ignition in me that is gonna prevail with this.

650
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: She says.

651
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Her line of work puts loss in perspective.

652
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: Working at a cancer hospital. You know, I like stuff,

653
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: I like nice things, but you can't take any of

654
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: it with you.

655
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: Her knee stepped up and started a fundraising campaign, which

656
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: helped Jackie cover a few bills.

657
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: Maybe like four thousand. People gave what they could, but

658
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: I was overwhelmed with people just being generous.

659
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, this type of crime is prevalent in older demographics,

660
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and Jackie's story, while devastating, is not unique. AARP, a

661
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: nonprofit organization that provides resources related to aging, reached out

662
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: to Jackie. They wanted to work with her to help

663
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: educate others about these types of scams.

664
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: I was a spotl like speaker for April and one

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Speaker 2: woman you know, confessed that she was scammed and she's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, how do you move on? I said, One

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Speaker 2: day at a time. There's times I want to beat

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Speaker 2: myself up, but nope, I just educate people, and I

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Speaker 2: always say, don't do what I did. That's what is

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Speaker 2: motivating me to fight.

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Speaker 1: Jackie wants to help prevent this kind of scam from

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Speaker 1: happening to other people, to show how sophisticated these scams

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Speaker 1: can be. Jackie didn't trust Brandon based on his online

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Speaker 1: messages alone. He invested real money into her life, and

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Speaker 1: she saw the payoff. Her favorite meals were delivered to

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Speaker 1: her door. Expensive jewelry arrived in the mail, Her bank

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Speaker 1: accounts grew. It was more than just a promise of luxury.

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Speaker 1: It was the true taste of it for many months.

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Speaker 1: Scammers like Jackies are willing to spend one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars on their victims if it means they will eventually

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Speaker 1: get a million back. These scams don't happen in the

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Speaker 1: blink of an eye. The scammers invest money, emotion, and

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Speaker 1: time into their victims for months before pulling their rug

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Speaker 1: out from under them. We end every weekly episode with

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Speaker 1: the same question, why do you want to share your story?

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Speaker 2: I have to tell myself every day I'm a victim.

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Speaker 2: Whoever is on these websites scamming people. Their entire job

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Speaker 2: is to distance me with my money, and I know,

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Speaker 2: just talking people, they are plagued with fear and embarrassment,

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Speaker 2: and that fight in me said, if you go hide

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Speaker 2: and you don't tell your story and you know you're embarrassed,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to help anyone.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly.

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Speaker 3: Within seconds, I get a Facebook message, is this about

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Speaker 3: your dad? And I got like a chill down my back.

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Speaker 3: I responded with yes, with like a bunch of dots,

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Speaker 3: and he immediately replied with I know this because it

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Speaker 3: happened to me too.

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Speaker 1: Before we end the episode, I have some exciting news Betrayal.

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Speaker 1: We'll be doing our first ever live show as part

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Speaker 1: of the Virgin Voyage's True Crime Cruise. We'll be answering

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Speaker 1: listener questions and discussing them live on stage with Stacy

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Speaker 1: and Tyler from Betrayal season three, as well as Caroline

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Speaker 1: from season four. So if you have a question for us,

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