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Speaker 2: The thing I learned is we need to get pillows

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Speaker 2: This year, I know I gotta do better. Check out

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Speaker 2: Clint Black dot com. He is one of the sharpest

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Speaker 3: Here he is. They're great, Clint Black.

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Speaker 2: Did you just play cover songs and bars for a while,

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Speaker 3: Let's just see what happens.

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Speaker 4: No, I had an expectation.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Evans over she was in one of those chairs

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Speaker 2: I was so scared when it happened, because you just

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I did.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever fallen off stage? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still could have gone over the spotlights sometimes

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Speaker 4: Well I was, Uh I recovered.

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Speaker 4: It was Chittio.

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Speaker 4: Pain. I've do it. I've had lots. I've had. I

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Speaker 3: You just got through them. Yeah, what kind of kid

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Speaker 1: homework and do the homework well. And then I fall behind,

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00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: and then it's even harder fall behind. Ninth grade I failed.

450
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: I repeated the ninth grade. Tenth grade I was going

451
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: to fail. I had to go through summer school to

452
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: get into the eleventh grade. Eleventh grade I was going

453
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: to fail, but I was eighteen by then, and I

454
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: dropped out and went into construction, And within a year

455
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: I knew just what a mistake it was, and I

456
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: started then doing everything I could to fill in the

457
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: gaps make up for the lost time. So then I

458
00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: started reading nonfiction mostly for a long time. It would

459
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: have been history books, biography, self help books, the Platinum

460
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: raine Bow, this business of music, all those things that

461
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: would have helped it work, psychology books, you know, seven

462
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: Habits of highly effective People, everything like that I could find.

463
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: I got a program that was on my laptop and

464
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: it was all punctuation. I just I just ate it

465
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: up because I've I've felt like I can go at

466
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: my own pace now and and I was able to.

467
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: Learn that learn that stuff more slowly.

468
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it, Adhd? Because you're really smart. Obviously,

469
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't need to know what you read. I can

470
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: just tell my talking with you, I mean, and knowing

471
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: you a bit that we know each other now, like

472
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: I have to prepare myself to keep up with you,

473
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: like you have a brilliantly fast mind.

474
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: Talking this, Well, no, it just feels like they didn't

475
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: know how to teach you.

476
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't have a lot of help at home.

477
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: My mother wasn't a good student. She wasn't educated beyond

478
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: high school. My dad, you know, really tired, so he

479
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: wasn't going to come home from you know, being on

480
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: the job at five am and do homework. He would

481
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: help a little bit with math. He was really good.

482
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: So the support there wasn't at home, and the discipline

483
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I could get away with skirting it. So

484
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: as I felt more and more lost, I was able

485
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: to just get by without anyone at home saying show

486
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: me your homework.

487
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: When did you know you wanted to do music? Then?

488
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: Like how old?

489
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: I started harmonica when I was thirteen, and then the

490
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: guitar at fifteen, and by the time I was seventeen,

491
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: I was deciding on whether I was going to join

492
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: the Air Force and work my way into the space

493
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: program or be a musician. I had singers grades, so

494
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gotten anywhere near an airplane, much less

495
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: a rocket.

496
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Speaker 3: Did you do Harmonica? I accompany your brother? Was harmonica?

497
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: Did you play that to accompany your brother? Well?

498
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: Actually, my brother Brian was already playing, and then I

499
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: just played it everywhere I went. We'll go down to

500
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Speaker 1: the pool hall. My friend said, hey, let's throw down

501
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: the hat and then people put money in there. And

502
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: then by the time I got the guitar, I got

503
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: a harmonica race and I was just out in the

504
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: neighborhood playing the three songs I knew for everyone who

505
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: would listen.

506
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Speaker 4: My brother Kevin had the band and they didn't have.

507
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: A bass player, but the lead guitar player, Gavin Van,

508
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: would set up an extra mind microphone and I get

509
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: up and pretend I was plugged in and sing harmonies

510
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: around my brother. But I wasn't playing that much harmonica

511
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: with them.

512
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: And usually the younger brothers have to like pick up

513
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: a bass because the older brothers playing guitar.

514
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 4: I became the bass player, you did, Yeah, yeah.

515
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: Do you still play bass at all? Now?

516
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: No?

517
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: Could you fall back into it?

518
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: Yeah? I could.

519
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I'd have to lose the uh, I grow my nails

520
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: out longer to use his picks and they wouldn't work

521
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: on bassh So yeah, I've I've done it a little bit,

522
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, in the studio, just getting apart.

523
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of studio artists, are you because obviously

524
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: you're a great musician, Therefore you obvious.

525
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: It's obvious anyway, you know.

526
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest.

527
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: I had never seen you live until the Opry was

528
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 2: shut down for COVID, and I hosted the Opry all

529
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: during those empty shows, and you played, and Darius played,

530
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: you guys played, and so there's like seven I us

531
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: there in the whole building, and I watched you with

532
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: nobody around, just shred a guitar. And I had no

533
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: idea you were such a proficient guitar player. I knew

534
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: you could play. I know you played lead parts because

535
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: I'd seen that, but I had no idea you were.

536
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: It looked like to me such an advanced guitar player.

537
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: Now I play rudimentary guitar, and so I was kind

538
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: of blown away at your guitar ability. So I would

539
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: imagine you're in a studio. Are you a perfectionist? Are

540
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: you right alongside the whoever's producing the record and going okay,

541
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't think this is exactly right.

542
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: No, But I'm producing my own records and since ninety

543
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: nine or something, and I'm not a perfectionist, and I

544
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: don't even like the word I think. I think excellence

545
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: is the better goal. You can achieve excellence. Perfection as

546
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: an accident. You know, it happens because you get lucky

547
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: during being trying to be excellent. So I don't strive

548
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: for perfection ever. But I know what my ear likes.

549
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: So if my ear's not liking it, it's not excellent.

550
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: It sounds like that's the same idea you had with

551
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: that record, that first record, when you're like, hey, I

552
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: know what country music fans like. I know what I

553
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: like as a country music fan, and so we're going

554
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: to make that kind of record, And I want to

555
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: go back to you and better Man being added out

556
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: of the box, which for those that don't know, that's

557
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: a station programmer will go, I'm going to add that

558
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: to my playlist immediately before it's even actually asked to

559
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: be added. It's like the earliest you can get a

560
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: song added. So this LA programmed record says that your

561
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: label switches over. They now promoted. How fast until that

562
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: song actually became something you were known for or that

563
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: was played on the radio.

564
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: Well it went to number one, It was seventeen.

565
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: Weeks in today's time, that's pretty quick. How quick. Was

566
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: it that? Back then?

567
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: It was long?

568
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: It was yeah, you know, it took its time, you know,

569
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: it was it was steady enough. But I think back then,

570
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, back then, you could get a song up

571
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: to number one and back you know, you could get

572
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: almost five a year, which I don't think.

573
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: You know, you can't do that now like you can

574
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: now if you're like Morgan Wallen, And that's so different

575
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: than anything else that's happened in my career in Nashville,

576
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: Like that's super super fast, but yeah, that's crazy. You

577
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: could do that back then, and you think seventeen weeks

578
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: was slow back.

579
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: Then, Well that's the impression I.

580
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: Got because they were telling you because you didn't know

581
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: what was really fast.

582
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: Because the because people who would interview me after you say,

583
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: were you worried it wasn't gonna get there? I mean

584
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: it took a while. Things like that that just you know,

585
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: getting grained. Oh, it took a while. But I don't

586
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't think I remember enough about that moment in

587
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: my career two to remember anything specifically where other records

588
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: are doing it in ten weeks, yeah, I just took seventeen.

589
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: I don't remember really.

590
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: That song as it was climbing, like could you feel

591
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: more people singing along? And or depending if that your

592
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: shows are not the crowds getting bigger.

593
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were playing bars and the bars were packed.

594
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: And CMT had a lot to do with that because

595
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a video right away and came

596
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: up with a plan with Mary Handlton at RCA to

597
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: do that and have it ready to go instantly, you know,

598
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: when the single was released. So the video TNN and

599
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Nashville Network was smoking hot back then.

600
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: We were all watching it. Ever a country fan.

601
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: So being on the Ralph Emery Show, Ralph was saying

602
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: things like I like you, and I think you're going

603
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: to be around a while, you know, And I.

604
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: Think that helped a lot.

605
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I was getting on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carr

606
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: and Jay Leno when he guested, you know, I was.

607
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I was really lucking into all the other you know,

608
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: ancillary uh, you know platforms you could be on. And

609
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal a reporter came out and rode

610
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: the bus for a few days and did a future

611
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: article in that. USA Today did one and I think

612
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: it was on the cover of the entertainment section. So

613
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: the video TNN all those other things.

614
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: We were feeling it.

615
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, you know I was.

616
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I was starting to get you know, spots opening for

617
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: the Juds and Alabama Dwight Yoakam. I did a month

618
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: out on the road with him, so it was it

619
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: was it was clear that even if it didn't go

620
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: to number one, that it was.

621
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: Going to have a big impact.

622
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: Can you give me a Johnny Carson story.

623
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Johnny Carson, I think the second time I did the

624
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: show with him, I wanted to do something that used

625
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: my full vocal range. And we had been playing on

626
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: the road kind of a Hank Junior version of ain't

627
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: misbehaving but I would. I would go up and sing

628
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: real high toward the end of the song. And so

629
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: we did that on there, and when I got over

630
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: to the couch, Johnny said, Wow, you have a false

631
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: setto you could throw a cat through.

632
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: Wow, I am.

633
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: That's one compliment I will never forget.

634
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: It's got to be crazy feeling to go ten years

635
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: in bars to doing the Tonight Show. Were you able

636
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: to have awareness of how cool it was to be

637
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: getting those big moments or were you so in it

638
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: that it was difficult to actually understand or be happy

639
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: about it.

640
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: I think I was mostly overwhelmed by the workload because

641
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I was doing nine cities in a row one day off,

642
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: eight in a row one time, we did twenty one

643
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: in a row day off, and calling into radio stations

644
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: in the morning and in the afternoon drive time, and

645
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: meeting and greeting thirty to one hundred people you know

646
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: before the show before Yeah, every show it was I was.

647
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: I was constantly worried about being able to sing.

648
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 3: Because if you're tired or sick, you don't have a voice.

649
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, or if you talk all day yeah. And people

650
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: don't think talking is that hard, But imagine singing a

651
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: song that only has three notes and singing it all

652
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: day long. You know, you may be able to sing

653
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: some other notes, but those three notes are done. And

654
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: talking is that way, especially because a lot of us,

655
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: especially guys, tend.

656
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 4: To go down here. You know, you don't talk.

657
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's spoke up here because it took some of

658
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: the strain off his vocal cords.

659
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: Wait, is that really why? Yeah, I mean it makes sense.

660
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

661
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: It's absolutely why I went to his voice coach. I've

662
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: been trying to find someone in Houston for years, and

663
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: I had worked with some voice coaches. I knew I

664
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: didn't have a good warm up routine, and I thought

665
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I have better technique take the strain off, but no

666
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: one was helping me. And when Lisa and I got married,

667
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: and I told her and she took me to Seth Riggs,

668
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: who was the top guy in LA.

669
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: He was Michael's guy.

670
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: And he didn't tell me anything about Michael, but he said,

671
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, whenever you're talking, just don't talk down here

672
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: so much. Try to stay up and here and make

673
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: it easier. And Michael just took.

674
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: That all the way up, you know.

675
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: But Seth had a guy, a young guy who was eighteen,

676
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Steve Real. I told Seth I really wanted someone to

677
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: go on the road with me. And he calls Steve

678
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: in and Steve comes in, Hey, and he goes Steve,

679
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: mister Black is looking for someone to work with him

680
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: on the road, warm him up, show him some you know,

681
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: some techniques it'll help take the strain off.

682
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: And are you interested in doing that?

683
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: He sure, he goes, Well the house fifteen hundred dollars

684
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: a week. Seth and I didn't even talk money, but

685
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: he just negotiated for me, and Steve goes, sure, and

686
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes, you know, mister Black's a country singer,

687
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: and so to fit in with his entreprows, you may

688
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: I ask you to take the earring off.

689
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 4: You want to do that? Yeah?

690
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that was it And and Steve spent the

691
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: next twelve years on the road with me, singing in

692
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: the band and working with me when I had trouble,

693
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: if I if I was sick, he would give me

694
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: some you know, specific type of warm up to get

695
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: through that. And you know, if I was singing something

696
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: on stage and making it harder than it had to be,

697
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: after the show, he'd say, you know, when you do that,

698
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: if you do this vowel instead to get up to

699
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: your high note and then switch, it's much easier to

700
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: get up there. And it just it saved my sanity,

701
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: It saved my voice, gave me longevity I don't think

702
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I would have had, and it just made everything easier.

703
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: What'd you follow up after Better Man.

704
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: A Better Man? And then Killing Time?

705
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: Did that one feel even bigger?

706
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: Oh?

707
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was stepping off, you know, already on

708
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: the first floor, so Killing Time shot up there. Better

709
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Man and Killing Time were the number one and two

710
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: singles of the year, which hadn't happened in thirty four years.

711
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: The last time was Hank Senior with Callija and Your

712
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Cheating Heart, which I sing in the bars a million times.

713
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: And uh, and I remember thinking, you know, I was

714
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: careful not to pat myself on the back and break

715
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: my arm doing it, you know. But but I took

716
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: that ego trip that was I had a historical connection to,

717
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, one of the greatest country artists songwriters of

718
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: all time. And uh, and I felt it. I mean

719
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I I felt the significance of that it was written about.

720
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: And uh. And it was like I'm here now, I'm

721
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm I have my place.

722
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: You felt like you arrived. Yeah, after Killing Time, Yeah,

723
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: what was next? Uh?

724
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: Next I think was Nobody's home and then uh walking

725
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: away and then nothing's news.

726
00:38:54,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: The Bobby cast will be right back. Mm hmm. That's

727
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: a pretty epic beginning.

728
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: Five long. Yeah.

729
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 3: And they always about one.

730
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Not all on the on the the same chart. We

731
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: had I think three charts back then, so RCA counted

732
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: them all as number ones.

733
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: If it makes it.

734
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: On one chart, that's that's good enough. And so it

735
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: was billed as five number one singles on a debut album,

736
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: which had never happened in any genre, and that kind

737
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: of it.

738
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: It just.

739
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: It sort of gives you an historical position that makes

740
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: you a news item. So from there, you know, it's

741
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: just more and more stories, and uh, and things just

742
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: kept picking out.

743
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: How'd you meet your wife?

744
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Uh, well, it's a great story and you'll be to

745
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: read that story next summer in a book and something.

746
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: Are you writing a book?

747
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: I'm writing it?

748
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah you are, Yeah, give me, give me a Brevie version.

749
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: She and her mom were in Houston doing press for

750
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: one of Lisa's movies on CBS, and someone at TV

751
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: station said, you know, I've got tickets to the Clint

752
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: Blacks show. It was New Year's Eve, if you'll want them,

753
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: and they took the tickets. She had already heard about

754
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: me because her manager, Herb Nanis, was partners with Stan Moress,

755
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: who was KT's manager, who I knew because I'd toured

756
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: with KT, and he and I were like Dean and Jerry.

757
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 4: We were a comedy show everywhere we went.

758
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: And uh, and he gave Lisa a tape and said,

759
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: listen to this guy.

760
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: You know you love him.

761
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: So now they come to the show, somebody with my

762
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: management company brings her backstage. We sell hello briefly, and

763
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: then about ten days later, Uh, we're taping a an

764
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Opry anniversary show. It's a TV special and uh, it

765
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: was a night I was inducted as a member. Before

766
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: the show, I had a specials Fred Rappaport came back

767
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: to my dressing room and said, I have Lisa Hartman's

768
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: phone number, and he's about to give it to me,

769
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: and he pulls it back when I reach for it

770
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: and says, but I'm not going to give it to

771
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: you unless you promise me you're going to call her.

772
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: So I promised, and uh, and I called her right away.

773
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: I was going to be in La to do the

774
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: tonight show and I had one night off. We went

775
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: to dinner and we were married ten months later.

776
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: Did you move out there?

777
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 4: I did. I didn't. I kept a toothbrush out there.

778
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: Yes, you're out there a bunch, But you didn't love

779
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: about no mail? No mail.

780
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 4: She was always doing movies.

781
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: She did about sixty year we met, I think, and uh,

782
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: and so I would up out there if she was working,

783
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: or she would be in Nashville if she weren't.

784
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: Did you ever take a break? Yes?

785
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, when my first greatest hits came out.

786
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: How long was the break?

787
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: A year and a half. I worked a little, but

788
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: not like previously.

789
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: How did you do on that break?

790
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 4: I did fine?

791
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: He did? He liked it.

792
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: I needed a break, you know, we were doing one

793
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty cities and all the other stuff a

794
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: year at least, so.

795
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: To get burnt out or did you get tired? They're

796
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 3: two different things. Which was it?

797
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: I think I was worn out and RCA said, you know,

798
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: we want to take a break from releasing albums and

799
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: put out the greatest hits. And I was relieved, and

800
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to spend more time with Lisa.

801
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: It was the mid nineties, and I think that's when

802
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: we went over to France and Italy for five weeks.

803
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: And probably have never been able to do that, because

804
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: five weeks that's a significant amount of time. So to

805
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: be able to go anywhere for it, right, was that

806
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: totally different and like revitalizing to be able to do that.

807
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

808
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: I was able to completely detach, which I hadn't detached

809
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: from work since nineteen eighty you know, when I started

810
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: playing the bars, everything I did was to get another gig,

811
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: to play somewhere, to make enough money for gas and

812
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: guitar strings. You know, the food I was eating was

813
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: the cheapest food you could get. I'd go to Wendy's

814
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: and buy a bowl of chili, and I'd get the

815
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: little sauce cups for my tray and I'd fill up

816
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: like ten of them, would ketch up, and then as

817
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: my chili bowl emptied, I'd add ketchup stir it in,

818
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: so by the time I got to the bottom of

819
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: the bowl it was mostly ketchup. But I only had

820
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: to buy one bowl of chili.

821
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 3: Well, that's what makes you appreciate the good stuff.

822
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I think for me, what I like about

823
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: the success that I've had is I know what it's

824
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: like to not have success. I think that's what's kept

825
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: me not only grounded and even what is grounded when

826
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: you're a weirdo doing a creative job, Like, I don't

827
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: know that you're ever really grounded anyway, but I think

828
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: knowing what it's like not having it has made having

829
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: it that much more satisfying. And also it keeps me

830
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: on my toes because I know it could be taken

831
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: away at anytime.

832
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: You know.

833
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: I feel that way about the post RCA years. You know,

834
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: when when my deal with RCA was up, they were

835
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: they were done with me, you know, they didn't like

836
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: me writing my own songs and and pestered me about

837
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: that a lot, and and uh and so Delauney wasn't

838
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: interested in continuing, and I was happy to go. But

839
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: all the other major labels I talked to had the you,

840
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: we'll find you songs and will have them produced the

841
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: way they need the sound to be on the radio.

842
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: This would have been the early two thousands. So I

843
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: walked away from that and uh and just became an

844
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: independent artist and uh so radio was over for me then,

845
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: and uh and and I really learned over the years

846
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: to appreciate what those RCA years did for me, because

847
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: I've been able to tour all this time.

848
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: I can tour the way I want.

849
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: I have three busses in a truck and a great crew,

850
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: great band, and and I I think, you know, those

851
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: RCA years being bookended by the club days and then

852
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: the no major label, you know.

853
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: Pushing your music.

854
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: I think I appreciate every little thing that happens more

855
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: than I might have.

856
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: Have like three questions. Do you remember the first award

857
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: you won? Yes? What was it?

858
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: It was the Horizon Award, which was.

859
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 3: The best New Artist.

860
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so that would have been what year ninety?

861
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't eighty nine?

862
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

863
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: And do you know who you were up against?

864
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: I think I think it was maybe Kathy Matteya.

865
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 3: Did you think it win going into it?

866
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: I didn't think about it.

867
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: I was I was the reluctant hoper, you know when

868
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: it came to awards.

869
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: Like I really hope I do, but stop hoping.

870
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: Do you have a speech prepared?

871
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 4: No?

872
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: No, But I had one line prepared, which was, I

873
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: feel like I'm stepping into a painting I've been looking

874
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: at all my life and it and it was everyone

875
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at as the people I've been listening to

876
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: on the radio or watching on heat Holord TNN, you know.

877
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Uh so I'm looking out at uh at you know,

878
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: my my musical heroes and uh and it really it

879
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: really rang true. And I think I added that, you know,

880
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in it now, I'm in the

881
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: painting with them. I think I was careful how I

882
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: worded that I'm the same as you.

883
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, I didn't.

884
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be too self aggrandizing, but I

885
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: knew I had crossed a line. I was driving past

886
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: the bar I used to play in Houston when I

887
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: was home. Uh and uh And in an instant, it's

888
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: like a whole paragraph just shoots through your mind in

889
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: an instant. I Uh, I saw a scene play out

890
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: of me going into that bar then and now, and

891
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: I knew going into a bar in Houston would never

892
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: be the same for me. And I crossed the line.

893
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: And I remember feeling a little bit remorseful. I got

894
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: what I wanted, but I lost something.

895
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: You know.

896
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: I was a people watcher and now I was watched,

897
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: and so it was. There was nothing bitter or mournful

898
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 1: about it, but I remember I remember lamenting for a moment.

899
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: That's gone that part of my life.

900
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: Was it ever hard being famous?

901
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah. It's not a normal thing, you know.

902
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you can run into people here

903
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: at the grocery store who see people like us all

904
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: the time, and it's nice, you know, But you know,

905
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: if I go back home where they're not seeing people

906
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: like us all the time, I'm you know, I'm an

907
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: event sometimes in it, and you know, people have you know, shrieked,

908
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, oh my god, I can't believe I'm seeing you,

909
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I've learned to live in that skin

910
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: now and and find ways to be comfortable when unusual

911
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: moments happened. But you know, eighty nine, ninety ninety one,

912
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: ninety two, ninety three, I mean, there were years where

913
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: I'd look back and go, I was pretty cool, I

914
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: had it together, and then I go I'd look back

915
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: and I go, no, I really didn't, but now I do.

916
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: And then years would go by and I'd go, I

917
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: really didn't. And then you know, and it just kept

918
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: happening where you know, I would realize more and more

919
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: that I'm still adjusting. And when I thought I was calm,

920
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: cool and collected, I may have been cool at times,

921
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: but I wasn't calm and I wasn't collected. And the

922
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: biggest fear, it is probably the same with you, is

923
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: you don't ever want to make anyone feel bad. You

924
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: don't ever want to make anyone feel like they're intruding.

925
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: So you know, there was a period there where I

926
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: was actually worried about ear lobes being ripped off because

927
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: they've been grabbed, and I've been grabbed in places they

928
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: don't like grabbing. And so you start to become uptight

929
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: if you feel like you're suddenly in a crowd that

930
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: wants to touch you. And and so if I thought suddenly,

931
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: now the attention's on me and I could suddenly find

932
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: myself in a crowd, I would become uptight and uh.

933
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 4: And it took years to.

934
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: Get rid of that feeling. And also things calm down.

935
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: I think as people get older, which my audience primarily is, they.

936
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 4: Behave a little better.

937
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: Uh.

938
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: But it was, it was crazy, and it was everywhere

939
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: I went was an event, because I didn't have any

940
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: time off to go somewhere that wasn't an event. So, uh,

941
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: it was every room I walked into, it was, oh,

942
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: he's here, Clint Black's here. And you know, unless you

943
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: thrive on attention. I like it when I'm singing. I

944
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: hope you'll pay attention while I sing to you or

945
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: trying to make you laugh or you know it's okay,

946
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: and and uh, that kind of attention.

947
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 4: But unless you really I think, unless you.

948
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Really thrive, and I know there are some who who

949
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: just walk into a room and they feel like a star.

950
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 4: I don't feel like that. I don't.

951
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't have that that feeling. I want to walk

952
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: into a room and be amongst people and not.

953
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: You know, above them, you know, And.

954
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: Probably sounds self serving to say it, but I tried

955
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: my best to treat people the way I would want

956
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: to be treated and to try to be a normal person.

957
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 3: Do you write a lot of music with your daughter?

958
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: Not a lot.

959
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: I was careful not to do too much because I

960
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: want her to learn the craft by writing with other writers.

961
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: So she's going down to music Row now and doing

962
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: co writes.

963
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: And what do you think about her doing music?

964
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 4: I love to me it's whatever makes her happy, you know.

965
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Lisa would joke, don't you want to be a veterinarian

966
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: or something? And and for me it was just, you know,

967
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: if you really want to do this, you know, then

968
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: then you have to h it has to be this

969
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: or nothing else. And so once she made her mind

970
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: up and she took a gap year from Belmont after

971
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: two years that we all knew would be the end of.

972
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 4: You know, school Belmont.

973
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: So we agreed that I would create a homeschooling artist

974
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: development program for her and I would be.

975
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: Dean Dad in it. She would have to listen to

976
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 4: me again.

977
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: And and then it was, uh, you know, push and

978
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: push and push until until I felt like I've pushed enough.

979
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: My pushing won't help you anymore. And then, you know,

980
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: I just came to her and your mom. I said,

981
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: I think it's time to throw Lily into the deep

982
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: end of the pool. And called a couple of my buddies,

983
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, Rusty Gaston and Clay Bradley and you know,

984
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, I need some advice. You know,

985
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: where's the best pool. I didn't have to say much.

986
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to pick their brains. And

987
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: they took it from there. They said, tell her to

988
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: call us, they both said that, and and so she

989
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: called him. She went in for that you know, high

990
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Nerve meeting and uh, and they started introducing her to

991
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: young writers her age and uh, and that was it.

992
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: It was, you know, I'm still here with advice, but

993
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: this is this is.

994
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 4: Your pool now.

995
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: Before you came in, we were talking about that back

996
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: on the black Top tour. And do you still play

997
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: all the songs? Do you have any hits you don't play, Oh.

998
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do?

999
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 4: I do? Yeah?

1000
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: I well, you do what you do? Play all the

1001
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 3: songs or you have some you don't play.

1002
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: I have some I don't play.

1003
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1004
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: And it varies, but I can only do about twenty

1005
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: two songs in a show, and then it becomes too long.

1006
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 4: When Lisa and.

1007
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: Lily were on the road with me, we would do more,

1008
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: but they were coming and going in different wardrobe.

1009
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 4: And but you know, twenty two songs.

1010
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: I had thirty one top tens, yeah, and twenty two

1011
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: number ones. And so I want to do some a

1012
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: couple of deep cuts. There's a couple of you know,

1013
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: barn burners like tuckered Out that we need to do.

1014
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 3: What must you play? Give me the five songs you

1015
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: must play every show?

1016
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: Oh, better Man, Killing Time, good run of bad Luck,

1017
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: nothing but the tail lights every show.

1018
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna do those? For sure, you're gonna do.

1019
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: Those, Oh yeah, because I think people would be a

1020
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 2: said if you didn't do those exact ones.

1021
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Summer's Coming is one, I feel like, you know, and

1022
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: the ones that usually lose outer ballads because you can

1023
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: only do so many ballads in most shows.

1024
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 3: Man, what a problem. You have too many hits? That's

1025
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: a long way from the.

1026
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 4: Bar, man, trust me, I know that is a long

1027
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 4: way from the bar.

1028
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

1029
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

1030
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1031
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: We've done this the other way where I was in

1032
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: that seat, not at the same house. But you've interviewed

1033
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: me and so tables are turned. Have you sat for

1034
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: many long form, hour long interviews.

1035
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I did Sarah Evans podcast.

1036
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1037
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: And my manager's right over there. He keeps track of

1038
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I can tell you where I'm going.

1039
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: I can't tell you where I've been. It's this weird thing.

1040
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: And I have got this Google calendar and I can

1041
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: look at it.

1042
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: What kind of calendar person are you?

1043
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: Well? What do you mean, Well, I have the I

1044
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 4: have the one on my laptop and on my phone.

1045
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: Is everything in it?

1046
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 4: And everything is in it?

1047
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: Do you follow it to the dot? I mean I do.

1048
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: I live by it, like my calendar is a massive

1049
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: part of my everyday life. Yeah.

1050
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: I have to have a calendar, and I have to

1051
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: be I'm just I'm one of those early people.

1052
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: I'm early. I have to look at my.

1053
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: Calendar, and then I go and then I study the

1054
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: Google map, and I go down the street level and I.

1055
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 4: Drove over here virtually before I came over son, because

1056
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 4: I'm very anxious. I don't want to miss a turn

1057
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 4: and be late. It starts to wear on me.

1058
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: You know you were, and I say, this is another

1059
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: person that's very early all the time. You were very

1060
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: early here.

1061
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: I love that, thanks, because some people not as early,

1062
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: Some would say late, a little oh disrespectful, I feel all.

1063
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: I think, if you're not fifteen minutes earlier or late.

1064
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: And my dad was that way, and me and one

1065
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: other brother was that way, and the other two brothers.

1066
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 4: Were the opposite. And we would tell them tea times

1067
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 4: that were like an hour and a half earlier than

1068
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 4: they were, and they'd still be late.

1069
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: I got into that with my wife a little, because

1070
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: she is she's not a late person, but she's definitely

1071
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 2: not overly prompt like I am. And so I would

1072
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 2: start to tell her a little later. Then she would

1073
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: find out that I was telling her later generally, so

1074
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: she'd start stalling on that time.

1075
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: So then I had to move it back even more.

1076
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: So then I'm telling her like an hour and a

1077
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: half early, and eventually she catches up with it and

1078
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: it became a pretty a sore spot. And I'm early

1079
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: everywhere except when I'm with my wife. I was talking

1080
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: to the driver at a driver taking me back to

1081
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: the airport from Vegas, and I'm just curious about people

1082
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: in general. And I was talking to her about her

1083
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: job and how long she'd been in Vegas, and I said,

1084
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: are most people late when they go to the airport

1085
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: from Vegas? Because we had been there for work, but

1086
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: we were staying in a casino, and she was like, yeah,

1087
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: most people are late in the latest are couples? Couples

1088
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: are always late because I always fighting about something, always

1089
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: fighting to be late.

1090
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: So is your wife early late? What's that? What's her style?

1091
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 4: Uh?

1092
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: No, she's she's always rushing to get out the door.

1093
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: And h our daughter is, Lily is always rushing to

1094
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: get out the door. And uh and so now Lily

1095
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: uses what I always used, Here we go, here we go,

1096
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: instead of hey, we need to go, you know, because

1097
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: that can irritate people.

1098
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 4: You know, we need to leave.

1099
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: We're running behind, You're gonna make us late. You can't

1100
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: say that. You can't say any.

1101
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: Of those Yeah, I feel like that's here we go

1102
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: is not effective at all in my house. You have

1103
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: many brothers, three all boys.

1104
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no sisters.

1105
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: Wow, that must have been a rough housing house.

1106
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, it was. Uh. One brother used reason

1107
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: and logic on me and the other two. Uh.

1108
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: One one would seem like he was gonna get physical,

1109
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't, and then the other.

1110
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: One would Where do you fall in the order?

1111
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 4: I'm the youngest.

1112
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: Wow, so I was retreating under furniture a lot.

1113
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: So as the youngest. And you had three older brothers.

1114
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: Were they ball players? Artists? Well?

1115
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: Like what what was the brother vibel?

1116
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 4: Like? Uh? Ballplayers? When when we were younger? Uh?

1117
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: Uh the oldest brother wasn't musical and the rest of

1118
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: us were. Uh, the older oldest brother, uh you know,

1119
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: early on went into construction. We all followed him. One

1120
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: became a carpenter, Brian Mark You Mark became a foreman,

1121
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: and Kevin and I worked for Mark as iron workers.

1122
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: Kevin longer than I did, but uh uh you know

1123
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: we were mostly into music.

1124
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

1125
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: One became a cop. He was a cop for a while,

1126
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: got into a bad shootout and the guy that pointed

1127
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: a gun at five deputies and they had to shoot him,

1128
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: and then Brian, you know, started plugging up holes and

1129
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: they saved his life. He well lived, but then he

1130
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: sued them for five years, then the deputies in the department,

1131
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: and it really destroyed his love of policing. Brian was

1132
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: always the person who would you know, jump out at

1133
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: a car wreck to try to help people. When he

1134
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: was in security, he was the first one bullet shots,

1135
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: whatever was happened, he was the first one onseene. He

1136
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: was just that way, and and when that shooting happened,

1137
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: it it changed everything.

1138
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 3: What about your mom and dad? What were they like?

1139
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: Dad was very stoic, very quiet, dry wit and h

1140
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: My mom was Italian, who's still with us, she'll be

1141
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: ninety next year, very dynamic. So you can imagine with

1142
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: four boys in the house, she was driven to anger

1143
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: a lot, and it would come up in a flash

1144
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: when she finally have enough of our nonsense, and then

1145
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: it would disappear in a flash, and just as quickly

1146
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: she could laugh hysterically. So you know, her wire was

1147
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: live and ready to go whichever button you pushed. You know,

1148
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: Mom was ready and she loved being in the mix.

1149
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: If we were playing in bars, you know, being there

1150
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: having fun, singing along and all of that, and my

1151
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: dad not at all.

1152
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 4: My dad.

1153
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: We would have backyard parties where my brother's band and

1154
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: I would be in the backyard playing and barbecuing and

1155
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 1: all of that.

1156
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: You know.

1157
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: My dad had his lounge share with his ice chest

1158
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: and that was him for the whole night. He was

1159
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: just he worked so hard every day, you know, getting

1160
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: up at you know, four fifteen am and going into work.

1161
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: He was a heavy equipment operator, the tower cranes that

1162
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: go up above the buildings, and it was intense work.

1163
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: So he came home pretty tired.

1164
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: Do you think that his personality?

1165
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: And where I come from, a lot of people do

1166
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: construction jobs or mill jobs, and so there's not a

1167
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 2: lot of belief in a job that is art because

1168
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: it's not secure. There's no real security in any sort

1169
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: of artistic endeavor. When you come from a rural area

1170
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: like I did that, people don't tell you can't do it,

1171
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: but it's really it's kind of a fairy tale, and

1172
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 2: there's really no consistency in fairy tales. Do you feel

1173
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: like your dad thought that about music? Like he loved

1174
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: you guys, and I was like I don't know.

1175
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: He told me I needed to have a fallback, the consistent,

1176
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: but he believed in me as a singer, and he

1177
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: just worried that it wasn't gonna work because it seldom does.

1178
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 4: Uh.

1179
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 1: And there's no roadmap that anyone knows of. I've read

1180
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: all the books.

1181
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: You find in any of those books and uh.

1182
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: So you you just don't you don't know. It's not

1183
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: like a vocation.

1184
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: You know.

1185
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: I was taught how to do iron work, and I

1186
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: could have done it the rest of my life and

1187
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: made good, good living.

1188
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, if you learn.

1189
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: He wanted me to learn how to repair air conditioners

1190
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: because we were in Houston, a lot of need for

1191
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: that and uh.

1192
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: And it was always going to be hot, yeah, for

1193
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: the rest of time. It was going to be hot.

1194
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1195
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: And if it's hot, there's there's work.

1196
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1197
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: And you can learn how to do that work and

1198
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: then just keep doing it. You can learn how to

1199
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: do music and you can keep doing it. But you're

1200
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, make the kind of money if

1201
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: you don't get out of the bars, you're not going

1202
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: to make the kind of money. And electric would or

1203
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, the Maytag guy.

1204
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: Would may take.

1205
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: I made good money so with you in commercial Yes, yes,

1206
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: an he wore uniform so I had to get the

1207
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: fancy clothes or anything. Well, I really like you as

1208
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: a person, so I'm I'm super excited that you came

1209
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: over today.

1210
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: The feelings mutual. Well, and you're You're a great guy

1211
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: to kid with. You know, I can say things to

1212
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: you in a text and I have to worry about

1213
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: them and taking the wrong way.

1214
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're.

1215
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: Cut from a bit of the same cloth, but I

1216
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: do have to when when you're around. I got to

1217
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: sit up straight because I know it's coming and I

1218
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: got to come back or I'll be left in the dust.

1219
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 3: Well, and that's a that's a good that's a that's

1220
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: a fun thing to happen.

1221
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's fun to know you feel that way. Yes,

1222
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: because I'd like to think I'm smart or witty, uh

1223
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: and all of that. But you're pretty smart and witty yourself,

1224
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: you know.

1225
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: So I'm wearing you.

1226
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: They're telling me what to say.

1227
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: Funny back, say no coffee, Say no coffee.

1228
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 3: All right, you guys go check out the tour.

1229
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: Back on the Blacktop North American Tour, there's a final

1230
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: leg in the spring of twenty twenty six. Tickets are

1231
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: at Clint Black dot com. And you did a killing

1232
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 2: time like an anniversary album, didn't you.

1233
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? Last year we did the whole album in order.

1234
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: And did you did you do vinyl on that? Yes?

1235
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: Do you still sell those?

1236
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

1237
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: Dang I should have had one of those. Kind of

1238
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: got an autograph my favorite artist.

1239
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 4: I have a manager over there on the tank, ask him.

1240
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: Why, Hey, you did our show with us this year too.

1241
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: Thank you for that. I told you think you about it,

1242
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: but it was fun. But you came in. We did,

1243
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: we do a big show for Saint June. You came

1244
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 3: and it was really.

1245
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: Really it's a you know, from the very beginning. Uh,

1246
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: when Randy Owen called me and said, will you be

1247
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: involved in our you know, Country Cares for Saint Jude's,

1248
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: he's kicked all that off. I had met a kid

1249
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: in South Carolina who came up to me backstage and said, uh,

1250
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: told me his story. He had cancer, His parents had

1251
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: no means, there was no way to get help where

1252
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: he lived, and his high school friends had heard about

1253
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: Saint Jude's and they drove him to Memphis and dropped

1254
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: him off in front of the hospital. Wow, he walked

1255
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: in and they cured him.

1256
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

1257
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: And so and I had seen a documentary on it.

1258
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: So when Randy called, it was a it was a

1259
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: no brainer. Just the fact that they share their research

1260
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: with everyone. There's there's no you know, proprietary you know ownership.

1261
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1262
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: That and for me because I was in the hospital

1263
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: a bunch as a kid and without help because I

1264
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 2: didn't have cancer, but i'd rupture my spleen and I

1265
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: had a lot of internal bleeding. But if it weren't

1266
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: for organizations, even our church, I don't know that we'd

1267
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: gotten through it or even got our bills paid after.

1268
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: And so with at Saint Jude, you know, one of

1269
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: the things that they do that's so amazing.

1270
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 3: Is there's no bill.

1271
01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: There's no bill, it's food's covered, travels covered, house covered.

1272
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: And so with that, I think that's why I was

1273
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: drawn to it to pretty much stay active the whole

1274
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: year with it.

1275
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 3: It is really a fantastic place. I didn't know that

1276
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 3: story about the kids South Carolina.

1277
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: And the thing I found out years later was the

1278
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: hospital opened I think the day I was born.

1279
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 4: That is, I think I know.

1280
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: It was Jude then it would be really crazy.

1281
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 4: I'd go by Saints.

1282
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: The I know it was the year, but I think

1283
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: it opened February fourth or third.

1284
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that, Mike, Mike.

1285
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: If it's if the hospital started on your birthday period,

1286
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: then yeah, there's something cosmic happening here.

1287
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 3: If not, yeah, just a fun coincidence.

1288
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm meeting that kid and uh, Chris

1289
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: Randy I think would.

1290
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 4: Have called me. Yeah, you know, no matter when it.

1291
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 3: Opened, Mike, any date on that sixty two, February fourth.

1292
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:57,879
Speaker 4: That's my birthday?

1293
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 3: No way.

1294
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that is why I found that out just like

1295
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: ten years ago.

1296
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 4: And then I forgot that. I knew it. I had to.

1297
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: I had to get Mike to help verify it.

1298
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: Mike, will you google if any other famous events happened

1299
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: on that day, February fourth, nineteen sixty two, any other

1300
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: and if it's like Hindenburg crashed, it's like.

1301
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 4: Bobby Bones waited to be born.

1302
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: That is literally the first thing that pops up when

1303
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: you search that. What the opening of Saint Jude?

1304
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 4: Oh?

1305
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 3: Got it? Is there anything else on that date? First

1306
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 3: US helicopter shot down in Vietnam? That's what I thought.

1307
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels more I had nothing to do you sure,

1308
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure all right? Guys, go check out Clint Live

1309
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: at Clint Black Clint Get to See Man.

1310
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: You too. Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.