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That quote 57 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: comes to us from Patrice Culors, who is one of 58 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: the co founders of Black Lives Matter. Before we dive 59 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: in to our discussion today, I want to read some 60 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: statistics about black women from the book and database Invisible 61 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: No More that speaks about police violence against black women 62 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and women of color. Out of six hundred eleven cases 63 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: of police violence against women, fifty nine percent were black. 64 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Despite black people making up twelve percent of the population. 65 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: Out of those six hundred eleven cases, forty six percent 66 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: involved fatal violence, thirty two percent involved physical violence, twenty 67 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: percent involved sexual violence. Out of those six hundred eleven cases, 68 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: thirty one percent involved mothers, eighteen percent involved people with disabilities, 69 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: seven percent were motivated by the War on drugs, seven 70 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: percent involved immigrants, seven percent involved pregnant people, seven percent 71 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: involve trans people, five percent involved issues of domestic violence. Tea, 72 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: We're starting off pretty heavy. 73 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: Yes, we're starting off heavy. It's been a rough I 74 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: would say, past two weeks, but even just a rough 75 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: twenty twenty so far. Okay, Yeah, it's just been rough, 76 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: and this is definitely a topic that's starting off rough. 77 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: But lady, we got you. We are definitely going to 78 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: end on a positive note this week because we realize 79 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot going on in the world and this 80 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: is also a very important conversation that needs to be had. 81 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: And so when we dive into this conversation, I first 82 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: want us to acknowledge the names of some of the 83 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: women we have lost to police violence. 84 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: So first time, I just want to talk a little 85 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: bit about saying bland. There's so many unfortunately, so many 86 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: black women that have been impacted by police violence and murder. 87 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: And so Sandra Bland, if you don't know, was a 88 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: twenty eight year old African American woman who died in 89 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: police custody in Southeast Texas in July twenty fifteen. And literally, 90 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: I mean she was stopped for what was it a 91 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: broken tail light or something minor, a minor traffic stop, 92 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: ended up going to jail, and then she just mysteriously died. 93 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: They say online that she hung herself, which is I mean, 94 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: come on, now, all the cover ups that white supremacists 95 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: and police departments are part of. I mean, I would 96 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: say she did not harm herself. I think it's pretty 97 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: evident what happened here, and I believe she was murdered. 98 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: I agree that we may never know what truly happened, 99 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, the unfortunate thing, the 100 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: disheartening thing, the scary, terrifying thing, is that this is 101 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: not the first time something like this has happened to 102 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: one of us, and probably will not be the last. 103 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's scary and considering that, I mean, 104 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: just in March, we have Breonna Taylor, whose birthday would 105 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: have been this past weekend. And Brionna Taylor was an 106 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: essential worker. She was an EMT with aspirations to become 107 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: a nurse. She was one of the people whose daily 108 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: labor of keeping people safe we have come to value 109 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: anew in the age of COVID nineteen and in March 110 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: in Louisville, Kentucky, police officers killed her after their choice 111 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: to serve a no knock warrant and playing clothes after midnight. 112 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: And I believe they shot up her home and I 113 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: believe she was shot about eight times or so, and 114 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: she was sleeping. I mean, when you think about stuff 115 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: like that, it's just like. The thing that got me 116 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: with that story, too, dom is the fact that the 117 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: man that they were allegedly looking for, he had just 118 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: been brought into custody. So while this man, he's literally 119 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: in custody, you have for your life looking for you 120 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: decide to serve a no knock warrant and playing clothes 121 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: after midnight and shoot and kill an innocent black woman 122 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: who was sleeping. She had done nothing. She was literally 123 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: helping the world. She was an essential worker, someone that 124 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: we need in the world right now right. 125 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: It astonishes me because as you were recounting what happened 126 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: to her. I couldn't help but flash back to stories 127 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: that we have heard of black women during slavery, during 128 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights era lying in bed and their doors 129 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: being kicked in, and for what what usually ends up 130 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: happening to them, some sort of violence at the hands 131 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: of During slavery, it was the slave owner, you know. 132 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: During the Civil Rights era, it was the KKK or 133 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: the police. At what point will we get to a 134 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: space where we truly can feel safe in our own homes? 135 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: That is the question, Dom, And I do want to 136 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: state a few of the other names. We have Corine Games, 137 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: we have Mariam Carey, Shanik Proctor, Ayanna Stanley Jones, Catherine Johnston, 138 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: Yvette Smith, and the list goes on and on. Unfortunately, 139 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: and Dom, I guess the question I have for you is, 140 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: you know, I've been seeing a lot of people post 141 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: on social media about how they are either shocked or 142 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 2: surprised that George Floyd's death has caused the worldwide outrage 143 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: that it's caused. I think for us as a black community, 144 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: we're like, uh no, this is the straw that both 145 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: the camel's back. Like we've been going through this for 146 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: so long, you know, and I know that some people 147 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: are sharing Breonna Taylor's name. I saw Solange shout out 148 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: to Solange. I think she tagged some of the police 149 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: officials in Louisville and at Or and ask them like, Hey, 150 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: are y'all going to arrest the men that murder Breonna 151 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: Taylor because they hadn't been arrested and this happened in March. 152 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: I believe they have been brought into custody at this point. 153 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: But when you think about that down, why do you 154 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: think that we can name off so many black men 155 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: that have been murdered by police officers, but many people 156 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: can't name black women to the same degree. 157 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,239 Speaker 1: I have my theories. I don't have like an academic 158 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: educated answer right now, per se. But one of the 159 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: things that comes up for me in that regard is 160 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: the conversation around the intersectionality of being a black woman. 161 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: And in the term intersectionality was actually coined by a 162 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: black woman, doctor Kimberly Crenshaw, who is currently a law professor, 163 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: and she coined that term to look at how as 164 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: black women, particularly at the time in corporate America, how 165 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: we are often forced to choose between being black or 166 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: being a woman, and I think that it is easy 167 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: for people to kind of compartmentalize and look at, oh, 168 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: here's the plight of all women, or here's the plight 169 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: of all black people, and forget that for black women, 170 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: we are in both, right and if we are being 171 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: asked to choose just being black, then oftentimes what happens 172 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: is focusing just on black identity is often centered around 173 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: what it means needs to be a black male. And 174 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: then if we say, okay, well I'm going to focus 175 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: on my identity as a woman, then oftentimes the conversations 176 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: center around things that involve uplifting white women, and so 177 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: black women we are often placed in positions where we 178 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: have to choose one or the other, and no matter 179 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: which one we choose, we still are not fully seen. 180 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 181 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: I think about what it really means to be a 182 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: black woman in this country right now, and for us 183 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: to truly look at the harm and the trauma that 184 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: black women encounter, it would really force us to have 185 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: to dismantle racism and sexism, right and when as a 186 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: country we're being asked to look at racism, that means 187 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: that we can easily kind of say, okay, well, racism 188 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: is a big deal. Let's not sexism will get to 189 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: that later, right, Or we can say, you know what, well, 190 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: let's focus on sexism and then put racism to the side. 191 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: I think that as a country, we are doing ourselves 192 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: a disservice by not truly looking at that intersectionality of 193 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: what is really happening for black women in America, right, 194 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: because the reality is that black women are the backbone 195 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: of this. 196 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: Country at a preach girl, tell it. 197 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: We've said it on previous episodes. You know that there 198 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that this country benefits from 199 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: thanks to black women. Right. So when you think of 200 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: famous black women, who are the names that come to mind? 201 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: And why do those names come to mind? You know, 202 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: one that easily comes to mind is Harriet Tubman. We 203 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: know Harriet Tubman for leading the Underground Railroad and also 204 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: working as a spy during the Civil War. So if 205 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: we just step back and look at that, look at 206 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: what Harriet Tubman did. This black woman risked her life 207 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: to save others, right to bring others to freedom. We 208 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: know Rosa Parks was given credit for starting the Montgomery 209 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: bus boycott, but what's often not talked about is that 210 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: fifteen year old called that Covin actually refused to give 211 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: up her seat on the bus before Rosa Parks did. 212 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: And so even at the tender age of fifth you 213 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: have black women, black girls, because she's underage, black girls 214 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: stepping forward, taking bold, brave moves to fight and advocate 215 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: for black people. 216 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: That's right. You know who I think about, dom I 217 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: think about I forgot what the documentary is called. I 218 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: think it was the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lax, But 219 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: I think about Henrietta Lax, and even in her death, 220 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: she has changed the medical industry. And if you don't 221 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: know lady, definitely look her up. Henrietta Lax was an 222 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: African American woman whose cancer cells are the source of 223 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: the Hila cell line, and these were the first immortalized 224 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: human cell lines and one of the most important cell 225 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: lines in medical research. And basically what had happened was okay. 226 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty one, she was diagnosed with terminal cervical cancer. 227 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: She was treated at Johns Hopkins University, and a doctor 228 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: named George gel Smith sales from her cervix without telling her, 229 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: and he discovered that her sales could not only be 230 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: kept alive, but they would grow indefinitely, And so her 231 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: sales are still being used today for various vaccinations like 232 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: polio and I believe even in HIV. I don't know 233 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: if it's medicine or something like that, but do your research, lady. 234 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: And the thing about it is her sales have been 235 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: commercialized and have generated millions of dollars in profit for 236 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: the medical researchers who patented her tissue, and the family 237 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: was not compensated for what they did. Little stuff like that, Right, 238 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: they don't tell us that we have to learn in 239 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: our own But it's not even a little thing. That's 240 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: so much greater than we would think about the way 241 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: black women are treated, right, don And we think about 242 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: Himry relax and all the contributions that we've made. It's 243 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: like our impact is so much greater than they would 244 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: like us to think. 245 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: Right. 246 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: They would make us think this is, oh, just a 247 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: little mo in history, but it's like, no, this changed 248 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: the game for the medical industry. So her family should 249 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: be compensated and this story should be shaped broadly, like 250 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: everyone should know about this. 251 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Everyone everyone, And I think you know so. Zorra Neil 252 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: Hurston was quoted as saying black women are the mules 253 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: of the world. When I hear that quote, what that 254 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: means to me is that everything gets done because of us, 255 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: Like we bear the brunt of the heavy labor, right, 256 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: we do the heavy lifting. And I think about, like 257 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: where we are right now, in this current state of 258 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: affairs in this country, and I think about the number 259 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: of Black women that I have just in casual conversation 260 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: as we're processing all of what's happening, how many of 261 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: us have said, Yeah, my boss or my coworker, someone 262 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: reached out to me and they asked me to provide 263 00:17:53,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: them with resources, or they asked me to read over 264 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: and approve the list of resources that they're coming up 265 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: with anti racist or to the allies. So once again, 266 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: we are being asked to do the work. And I'm sorry, lady, 267 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: depending on where you are in your racial identity development, 268 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: where you are and your emotional intelligence, where you are 269 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: in this moment of processing this racial trauma, know that 270 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: you do not have to do that work. I've said 271 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: it before and I'll say it again. Just our presence 272 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: is enough because as black women, how we naturally show 273 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: up in spaces means that shit's gonna get done. Right, 274 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: means that the heavy questions are going to be asked, 275 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: that things are going to get organized, the handholding, the empathy, 276 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: all of that is going to take place because we're 277 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: the givers and we're the doers, and we've been. 278 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: Like that, Tom, quick question for you, what you love 279 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: about being a black woman. 280 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a fantastic question. 281 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: I was just thinking in my mind, like what's my 282 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: love about being black? Because I love it. Yes, we 283 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: have this plate and this this world is hard on us, 284 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: but what do we love about it? 285 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: So that is a fantastic question, because what I love 286 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: about being black I love our resourcefulness. We have this 287 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: amazing talent in being able to make lemonade out of lemons. 288 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 2: Right. 289 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: You know. Beyonce had the whole album about it, about 290 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: how we can take the worst or the worst something 291 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: that was meant for our detriment and turn that shit 292 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: around and make it the best things in sliced bread 293 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: that everybody now wants a piece of. Yes, I mean 294 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: that's just one of the many things I could go on, 295 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: but that's just one of many rings that I love 296 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: about being a black woman. What about you? 297 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: That's a good one down I think. I mean, there 298 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: are a few that come to mind. I would definitely 299 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: say my brown skin, like I just love my I 300 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: don't even know what color, I don't even know what 301 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: to compare it to, but just my melanated skin, I 302 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: just love it. I love the versatility of my hair. 303 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: I love my resilience. You know, when I think about 304 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: the fact that we are not supposed to be here today, 305 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: like that was not part of white supremaci's plan, you know, 306 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: for us to make it this far. And the fact 307 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: that our ancestors fought and they made it and they 308 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: allowed us to stand on their shoulders and to be here, 309 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I love that. I think that's incredible, and 310 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: I do believe in that generational strength transferred through our DNA. 311 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say that down. I think you 312 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head with the resourcefulness, the innovation, 313 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: our connection to spirituality. And even though I don't think 314 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 2: it's fair that the black woman is always sort of 315 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: thrust into this matriarchal role because the burden is heavy. 316 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: You know, it's not fair to always have to be 317 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: the one that's putting everyone else's you know, dreams and 318 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: goals before your own and taking care of everyone else. 319 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: That's not healthy and it's not fair, but many of 320 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 2: us we assume that role, and so that strength. I 321 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: appreciate the strength. I don't think it's always right to 322 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: put us in that role, but the fact that we 323 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: share up and we make sure it happen, Yeah, I 324 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: love that. 325 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, I think about how brilliant we 326 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: are right that. You know, I think about the four 327 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: black women that were featured in Hidden Figures. You know, 328 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: you have black mathematicians right when we are being told 329 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: that STEM is not for us, but here we are 330 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: outshining everybody. Right. We were behind black women were behind 331 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: getting the first man on the move. You know, that's right. 332 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: And so I think that our level of brilliance just 333 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: allows us to flourish and allows those we interact with 334 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: to flourish as well. I think that our level of creativity, 335 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, think about Ava Duvername and the films that 336 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: she has put out that have forced the nation to 337 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: look at how black people are treated right, and she 338 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: does it in a way that just words can't really 339 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: describe how wonderful, how easy it seems that it flows 340 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: for her. Right, you have creatives like Beyonce and Solange right, 341 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: who are masters at their art farms. You have amazing 342 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: women like Oprah Winfrey, who was born in the Delta 343 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: of Mississippi, and what we know about the history of 344 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: the Delta of Mississippi is that she really wasn't supposed 345 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: to be where she is right now. We have women 346 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: like Michelle Obama, who was the first Lady, I mean, 347 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: my forever first lady. We have women like Elaine Brown, 348 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: who was the woman behind the Black Panther Party, one 349 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: of the imminent leaders of the Black Panther Party, that 350 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: her name is often not mentioned when we think about 351 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party. We have dope ass women like 352 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: Angela Davis. We have amazing writers like Tony Morrison and 353 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: Belle Hooks, and I could go on, but I mean, 354 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: but you see, we are just so brilliant. 355 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: Dom One thing I do want to point out is 356 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: that and this is not to toot our own horn, ladies, 357 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 2: but it's important to note that you know, Domini, if 358 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: you've listened to our podcast since the beginning, we literally 359 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: just had an idea. We wanted to do something for 360 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: our community. We started this podcast on our own thumb scratch. 361 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: The man wasn't involved, like we didn't. We literally just 362 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: started this two Black Women right, and we just hit 363 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: half a million downloads I think last month or in 364 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: the past two weeks or so, and we just posted 365 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: it on our Instagram. But I think that's such a 366 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: big deal because I think that sometimes we get this 367 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: programming that, oh, in order for me to be successful, 368 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: in order for me to make it air quotes, I 369 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: have to go through the man, or I have to 370 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: go through this, so I have to sacrifice this, or 371 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: I have to you know, do this thing. And it's like, Yo, 372 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: we can actually like the world the way that the 373 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: world is up today in this digital space, we can 374 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: just show up and be our authentic selves and walk 375 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: on our purpose and we can make sure it happen 376 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: on our own. You know that the playing field has 377 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: definitely been leveled in many ways, and so I hope 378 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: that we can be an inspiration to you, Laie, Like 379 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: we don't have anything special that you don't have within 380 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,239 Speaker 2: you. You know what I mean, this is possible for you. 381 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: Whatever that realm is that you want to go and 382 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 2: dominate and exercise and give back to the community, and 383 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: that's possible. 384 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: For you, yes, yes, And as we figure out and 385 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: try to identify ways in which we can uplift one 386 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: another and be there for one another and show solidarity 387 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: for other black women, I would say that there are 388 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: a few things that we are suggesting. One is to 389 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: support black women own businesses, and we'll have a couple 390 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: of links in the show notes for you to find 391 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: different black owned women owned businesses in your area that 392 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: you can find a way to support. 393 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: And dom real quick. I just wanted to add a 394 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: little side note here, another thing to note. And this 395 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: was a learning experience for me. So in April, I 396 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: think April was like that in the midst of this pandemic, right, 397 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: this was when it was really bad for everyone and 398 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: things weren't even opening up yet. I had one of 399 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: the most successful months in my business dom and it 400 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: was based on all black customers. And for me, that 401 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: just showed be like Wow, if we could just go 402 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 2: in and support one another and continue to circulate the 403 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: black dollar within our community, imagine how we can all elevate. 404 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: I mean that was so mind boggling for me because 405 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA, I can really do this in 406 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: my community. My community sold into me and I'm sewing 407 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: into them by giving them the knowledge that I'm teaching 408 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: about branding and social media and all that so I 409 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: can get as a testament to what we can do 410 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: when we come together and we support one another in business. 411 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I am with it. That is a thank you 412 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: for sharing that. That's a great example of how we 413 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: do that right, how we import one another. Another tip 414 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: is to hold each other accountable without public shaming. You know, 415 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: we talk about cancel culture a lot, and I say 416 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: we as in black folks. We talk about cancer culture 417 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot. And I think that as black women, there 418 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: are ways in which we can hold one another accountable 419 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: without shaming that person publicly. And I'm talking about fellow 420 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: black women talking about them. 421 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: I have a question. Go ahead, go ahead, Okay. So 422 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: it's funny that you say this because I've actually been 423 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: thinking about this, and one of the questions I've been 424 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: asking myself is I create resources for our community. It's 425 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: around what do we do when there are sabotagers, coons 426 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: and black people that don't mean Black people any good? 427 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: Because unfortunately there are some of them out there, Black 428 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: women and men right and just people in general who 429 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: don't mean us any good and who are fighting for 430 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: the other side. I'm not going to call the sister 431 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: out a lady. If you've been following the news, you 432 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: probably know who I'm referring to. You know I'm referring 433 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: to that. I'm still trying to debate. And that's the 434 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: reason I'm not going to say her name right now 435 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: is because I'm still trying to debate what would make 436 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: me feel like solid as far as like coming out 437 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 2: to speak about these things. Because there was another black 438 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: man as well who had said some and I'm just 439 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: going to say he's said something less about black supremacy 440 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: and something like that. And I was just like, Okay, 441 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: what do we do when black people are off the 442 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: chain and they're just doing something totally out of line, 443 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: out of hand, especially in the digital space where they're 444 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: posting this stuff publicly. I don't know the answer to this, 445 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: but what do you think, Like, what is your what's 446 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: coming up for you around that? Because it's tough. I 447 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: feel like sometimes, I mean, I wouldn't recommend publish shaming, 448 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: but at the same time, I'm like, well, they do 449 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: need to be held accountable, So what do we do? 450 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: So I think we're going to have to have a 451 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: whole separate episode on cancel culture, right, and we can 452 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: really dive into that. Myical thought is that it depends 453 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: on who the person is, right. So if it's a 454 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: person that you are close to, then that's when you 455 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: reach out privately and have that conversation with them, make 456 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: them aware of what information you have come across, or 457 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: how something they have said or done publicly is making 458 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: you feel or might be having a negative impact. Right, 459 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: So you have that private conversation. And then if it's 460 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: someone that's like a public figure, then I would still 461 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: hope that the people who are in their circles, who 462 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: are close enough to them and in their circles meaning 463 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: also in their network. Right. So my hope would be 464 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: that this woman that we're talking about, who shall be nameless, yes, 465 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: my hope would be that other black women journalists and 466 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: other black women in media may have attempts to reach 467 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: out to her, to pull her in and have that 468 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: sister girl conversation, that intervention that we do with our 469 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: friends when we are concerned about them. And so I 470 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: think that the reality is that society in general, white 471 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: supremacy in general does enough to make us feel like 472 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: shit that we don't have to do it to ourselves, right, 473 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: But I do want to acknowledge that there are layers 474 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: to this. Right, So you have someone who outright murdered people, 475 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: and there's clear evidence that this person murdered someone, Or 476 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: we have someone who is out here clearly raping and 477 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: engaging in sexual misconduct with women. When you have someone 478 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: who's out here like violating human rights, public shaming may 479 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: be the way to go, but solid Yeah, when we 480 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: have someone who's just voicing opinions that are different from 481 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: our own, and while those opinions may be harmful because 482 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: of the platform that they have, I don't think that 483 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: publicly shaming them because we already know that white supremacy 484 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: is doing damage to them as it is, right, Yeah, 485 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: And so I think it's about pulling them in close 486 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: and reaching out privately. 487 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 2: I respect that, dom. I think that was a good answer, 488 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: And I am looking forward to us diving in deeper 489 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: on this topic because and these times, I think that 490 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: is a topic that we got to dive into. I 491 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: don't want too. 492 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: Yes, Another tip is random acts of kindness. So you know, 493 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: at one point, I remember, I don't remember, it was 494 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: like a year ago, six months ago, but there was 495 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: like this this random act of kindness thing where it 496 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: was like calling for women to like send their front 497 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: five dollars for coffee, right, or to be a part 498 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 1: of this gifting chain where you mail a letter to 499 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: someone and it has a small gift in it. Once 500 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: they receive their gifts, then they are responsible for sending 501 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: out like five small gifts to other five black women 502 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: just doing random acts like that of just spreading the kindness. 503 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: I love it. 504 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: Like imagine how that would feel personally, you know, outside 505 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: of like no, because most of my bills are like 506 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: through email now paperless billing, Like I don't really get 507 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of mail, right, And so think about how 508 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: you might feel if you check your mail and there's 509 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: like a small gift in there, something you weren't expecting 510 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: from someone, right, Just the small joy that that might 511 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: bring you, and then to be able to pass that 512 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: joy on to others. That's about us cultivating our own joy. Right. 513 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: And then the last tip that I have is to 514 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: and this kind of flows into the random act of kindness, 515 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: but it's to compliment a black woman that you don't know. 516 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: You're standing in line at the grocery store social distancing, 517 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: of course, And actually this just happened to me. Actually recently, 518 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: I was in the grocery store and I was wearing 519 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: a T shirt from my university. It says young Black 520 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: and educated. And another black woman was walking by and 521 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: she said, I just want to tell you that that 522 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: T shirt is so dope. And I'm just in a 523 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: brocer store, mine in my business, and she's just giving 524 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: me and I and I wear this shirt often because like, 525 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: I love it, right, And so for her to acknowledge that, 526 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: like that, one little compliment to someone she doesn't even know, 527 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, we spend a lot of time tearing each 528 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: other down, and so to compliment a woman that you 529 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: don't know is to me a sign of your own 530 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: space that you're in and a way to uplift someone. 531 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: And you don't even know the positive impact that it 532 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: may have on their day. You don't know what they 533 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: might be going through, but they may be wearing like 534 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: a dope dress that day, and you like, hey, sis, 535 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: I love your dress, or they just got a new haircut, 536 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like it's new for them, and 537 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: you're just randomly walking by and you see them and 538 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: you're like, I love your haircut, like your hair is 539 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: like just it's beautiful. That's uplifting for them, right, And 540 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: so just being able to give those little random act 541 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: of kindness and complimenting someone you don't know is one 542 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: of many ways in which we can uplift one another 543 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: as black women and pour into ourselves because the rest 544 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: of society really isn't. 545 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: I love that tip down? 546 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: Yup. I was just about to ask, do you have 547 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: any that you want to add? 548 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: You know what, I wouldn't add any. I would just 549 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: say I love, love, love that last one. They were 550 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: all really good. I just always love to give compliments 551 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 2: just to people that I know are people that I 552 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: don't know. But one thing I usually do on my Instagram, 553 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: if I'm feeling like really really good, my vibration is 554 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: super high and I'm just overflowing with love, I'll post 555 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: a picture or something and I'll ask all the women 556 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: to leave a comment below if they want some good vibes, 557 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: and then I'll go to their page, look at their page, 558 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: and just send them like a beautiful message that's just genuine, 559 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,479 Speaker 2: catered to them, customized, And it just makes me feel 560 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: so good to do that for other people. And yeah, girl, 561 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 2: we need to love on each other more women that 562 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: you know, women that you don't know. I mean it's important. 563 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: We've got to celebrate one another. 564 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, celebrating ourselves because who else will? We have 565 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: to lead the way, right, So just to recap how 566 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: we can show up and show out for one another. 567 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: First is to support black women owned businesses. Next is 568 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: to hold each other accountable without public shaming. Third is 569 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: to engage in random acts of kindness, and the fourth 570 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: one is to compliment black women you don't know. 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