WEBVTT - Ep. 282: Bear Grease Time Machine

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode released on Christmas Day twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going back to revisit some iconic moments in the

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<v Speaker 1>last three and a half years of the Bear Grease podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>When I thought about what moments stood out to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I quickly just rattled off five right in a row

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<v Speaker 1>without really even thinking about it. So today we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hear clips from Arizona cowboy Warner Glenn. We're gonna hear

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<v Speaker 1>from ninety year old East Tennessee bear hunter Britt Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>It's number two. We're gonna hear the account of Erskine's

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<v Speaker 1>death in eighteen forty one from a bear attack. The

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<v Speaker 1>fourth one, we're gonna hear from Stony Edwards talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of his great uncle Carl Edwards. And lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna hear a clip from the Donnie Baker episode

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie's from Missouri, and it's him talking about the moment

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<v Speaker 1>that he is legally killed a two hundred and nine

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<v Speaker 1>inch white tail. It's like the Bear Grease time machine.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go back and it's gonna be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. And I really doubt that you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>to miss this one. And while you're listening, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to ask a favor of you. Email us at bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease at the Meat Eater dot com and tell us

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite bear Grease moment. My name is Klay Nukem

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore

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<v Speaker 1>things forgotten but relevant, search for insight and unlikely places,

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<v Speaker 1>and where we'll tell the story of Americans who live

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Glenn is an eighty nine year old rancher from

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<v Speaker 1>southeast Arizona who's made his living as a cattleman on

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<v Speaker 1>his Malpie ranch, of which his southern fence line is

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<v Speaker 1>the US Mexican border. No kidding. Warner Glenn is also

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<v Speaker 1>a houndsman and a legendary dry ground mountain lion hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>Dry ground meaning they're hunting in the desert without snow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I knew him. He's got to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the oldest still working line hunters and cowboys left

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<v Speaker 1>in America, known to put on twenty five hundred plus

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<v Speaker 1>miles per year on his mule. Even today, Warner is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most humble, toughest, and hardest working men

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<v Speaker 1>that I have ever interfaced with, and you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just get that sense when you're around him for a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours. This clip is from twenty twenty one, when

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<v Speaker 1>I asked him about a turning point in his life

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<v Speaker 1>when he got into some trouble with the law. This

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<v Speaker 1>clip was pulled out of episode twenty two titled American

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboy in Open Country Warner Glenn Part one. The fruit

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<v Speaker 1>of success almost always grows from the seed of failure,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes that part of the journey is overlooked. An

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<v Speaker 1>influential event in mister Warner's life took place in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen eighties, long before the success of the Malpi

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<v Speaker 1>Borderlands Group, and I want to see if mister Warner

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<v Speaker 1>is open to talking about it. You got in a

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<v Speaker 1>tussle with one of the border agents.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that change the way you saw that you needed

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with people? Can you talk to me about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? Sure, you bet that did.

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<v Speaker 1>The kind of tell me the story and then tell

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<v Speaker 1>me how it affects.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a pretty pretty volatile temper when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of stuff. But I did them that

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't do that day. I did my butt take

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<v Speaker 3>down anyway, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know, you still look pretty wiry.

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<v Speaker 3>That fellow was. That fellow was out of line, no

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<v Speaker 3>doubt about it. He told me what he could do

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<v Speaker 3>in anywhere he wanted on my feet land and I had.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't do anything about it, and I told him

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it could, and he said, well, you sure can.

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<v Speaker 3>So I did. But anyway, it got me in a

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<v Speaker 3>big trouble. Yet, one thing about it. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>federal uniformed officer. My docture took him to the ground

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<v Speaker 3>and rubbed his head in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was just a how old were you,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Warner?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably forty seven, forty eight? Okay, Well I could go

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<v Speaker 3>on and on about that, but that, of course, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a felony. Anytime you had touch a federal officer in

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<v Speaker 3>assault a federal officer, that's a fellay charged. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>no doubt about it. I did it, There wasn't and

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<v Speaker 3>I never made any excuse. I just told him why

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<v Speaker 3>I did it. And I didn't go to prison, but

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<v Speaker 3>I came that close. And also if you have a

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<v Speaker 3>fellow in charge, you can't have a fire on him

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<v Speaker 3>for so many years, and it affects your way of life.

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<v Speaker 3>So just taught me, big boy, you better be careful

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing. And they told me some of the agents.

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<v Speaker 3>They had an agent that dealt with things like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and they came and talked to me, and they said,

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<v Speaker 3>wonder what you should have done is gone to his

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<v Speaker 3>supervisor and let them take care of it. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>now I can see that. At the time, I was hot,

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<v Speaker 3>I was tired, and this guy was telling me one

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<v Speaker 3>and he was standing on my private land and we

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about the effect of vehicle traffic over my

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<v Speaker 3>private land where there was no roads. I just figured

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<v Speaker 3>that in my way of thinking, right then I had

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<v Speaker 3>a right to protect my problem too. But he was

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<v Speaker 3>but he wasn't a federal. I wasn't wrong, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 3>but so was he. And well, the way it turned out,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't go to prison and they shipped him out

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<v Speaker 3>of here. Yeah, and it was, but it was a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I wished I had gone about it well.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I take away from it is that later

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<v Speaker 1>you became very skillful in dealing with these people, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that event changed the course of kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>you were and how you worked with these Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And really I respect the law enforcement. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there are some guys in law enforcement that probably don't

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<v Speaker 3>deserve to be there, but by and large I had

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<v Speaker 3>backed those guys, and part of that's just I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of learned. You know, they've got a they've got a

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<v Speaker 3>job to do, and it's a tough one. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>ashamed that that happened, but it taught me a good lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I deeply value that you can say that,

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of times negative things happen to people

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<v Speaker 1>and it shapes them and makes them bitter and changes

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<v Speaker 1>their life for the negative. But what I respect about

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<v Speaker 1>your character is that that you know you can own

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<v Speaker 1>up to it. But I think it I think it

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<v Speaker 1>changed you for the better.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you a little. I went and told Daddy

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<v Speaker 3>because I knew he was gonna he was gonna play out.

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<v Speaker 3>And he sat there and listen. After I through telling me,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, I didn't know, as you get a lot

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<v Speaker 3>to hit one of those best.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, your dad, he was taking your side, wouldn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all good. Dad's supposed to do. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get the wrong idea about Warner. If you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the series, you'd see why this was such a

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<v Speaker 1>wild moment because it was so out of character for

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<v Speaker 1>him to beat up a federal officer. But it highlights

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<v Speaker 1>the gritty underbelly of Western ranchers and especially those on

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexican border. I'll never interview another man like Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn.

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<v Speaker 1>I was forever impacted by his character, and for that reason,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. Warner series

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<v Speaker 1>was episodes twenty two through twenty six. In this next clip,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to East Tennessee in Cock County,

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<v Speaker 1>in the heart of the Appalachian Mountains. This was just

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<v Speaker 1>a short interview. It wasn't even the main interview, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're speaking with eighty nine year old Britt Davis, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the father in law Bear Grease Hall of Famer

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<v Speaker 1>plot hound bear hunter Roy Clark, who you may remember.

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<v Speaker 1>This is on episode eight. It's way back in the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning in a podcast titled fifty Years in the Backer Field,

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<v Speaker 1>where Britt talks about his upbringing and chokes up when

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<v Speaker 1>he talks about his father's death. Mister Britt, how old

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<v Speaker 1>are you?

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<v Speaker 2>If I lived the second dead June, i'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Be ninety ninety. What year were you born?

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty one?

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen thirty one, so you grew up you were? Were

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<v Speaker 1>you born in this hollow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right up a little there, about two miles.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what kind of work did you do your whole life?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I farmed some, I log some, and I worked

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<v Speaker 2>about a year on this interstate down here, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I went to work for the county Road Department and

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<v Speaker 2>stayed dead, little retard.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever have you traveled much out of Appalachia? No,

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<v Speaker 1>you've stayed right here.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Texas one time whenever Roy was an

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<v Speaker 2>army out there, and that's on the trip I ever made. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I lived on up in the Gulf up third Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say we was up for about four or five years.

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<v Speaker 2>So my daddy got killed up there, and I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>dead up our lord?

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<v Speaker 1>How did your father get killed?

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<v Speaker 2>Of the log? The log rolled over?

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<v Speaker 1>Really? How old were you?

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<v Speaker 2>I was about twelve year old?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>How did that impact your life?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it made it rough on me for a while. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was up there whenever they about the time it

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<v Speaker 2>started logging it, but he got killed. We left at

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<v Speaker 2>a long time before the gut loom.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you have to kind of were you the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest son his illness son, so you kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of your family?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Really, so was that a lot of responsibility for you then?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? We moved back home here up here, and my

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents hit me with it and I raised a crop

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<v Speaker 2>of the bicker and boughket a place where I lived.

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<v Speaker 1>M How old were you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say I was about thirteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Really, So you you raised a crop of tobacco when

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<v Speaker 1>you were thirteen? Yeah, and bought a piece of property.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the property that we went to earlier today

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<v Speaker 1>up at the head of this holler.

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<v Speaker 2>She gonna pull out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Bought that place when you were thirteen. Yeah, I'll be daring.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you've lived you've lived there your whole life, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. What What are your earliest memories, mister Britton?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh low, I can I can remember things back then,

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<v Speaker 2>buttering again now, really, I can remember a carrying me

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<v Speaker 2>and us is stopping and talking to our neighbors. That

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<v Speaker 2>was before we moved the good.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was in the nineteen thirties. Did your family

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<v Speaker 1>have a car that had an automobile?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, what how did you get around?

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<v Speaker 2>Walked? Walked?

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't everything you needed you could walk to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this little stores all around here, M three or four.

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<v Speaker 2>Well of the first I'd say it was in the

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<v Speaker 2>late thirties of the early forties. Before that, there's there

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<v Speaker 2>was a car in this country, Is that right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The doctor lived right up the older.

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<v Speaker 1>He had to first tell me about how the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>worked in this community.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd go around in the and he's with his horse

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<v Speaker 2>and people wanted to be doctored that tie read or

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<v Speaker 2>a white flag on the mail walks, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Each he'd ride his horse up to your house and

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<v Speaker 1>knock on the door and say what's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he finally got a car, and it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>they do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever remember being sick and him having to

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<v Speaker 1>come to your house, the doctor on you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Really, what would you have been sick from?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the strip the old or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>That, and he'd come give you some penicillin maybe or something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he doctored with penicillin.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>When did electricity come back in here?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say it was about fifty two or fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>before I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were in your twenties before you had electricity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember those days?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What would what would you do? Once it got dark?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you light the house with.

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<v Speaker 2>Lamp?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what kind of lamp? Was the coal burning? And

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<v Speaker 1>you would what would you do? You would sit around

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<v Speaker 1>with the family.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd just sit around and go to bed. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's they finally got a radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Britt. Do you remember when John F. Kennedy died President?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember where you were? Was that a significant

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<v Speaker 1>where I was at where we are we enter.

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<v Speaker 2>I was running the road rider over on Tom's Creek,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just fardy got a paste an old man's house,

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<v Speaker 2>and he come out and run up a little behind

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<v Speaker 2>me and hollered at me and told me about.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you hear what they're saying, mister Britt? They're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>because because you were the only child, you've been spoiled

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life. Do you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't hardly say that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never forgotten that. When Britt was thirteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>he raised a crop of tobacco and bought a place

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<v Speaker 1>for him and his mother to live after his father died. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Britt is ninety two years old and still drives

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<v Speaker 1>the roads listening to bear races in the fall. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget that moment. This next clip is a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't an interview, but it's a reading of the

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<v Speaker 1>first hand account of the German immigrant to America Gershtalker,

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<v Speaker 1>recounting the death of his hunting partner Erskine in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty one. It's a wild story from episode four titled

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<v Speaker 1>Death of a Bear Hunter. There are too many of

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<v Speaker 1>Gershtalker's incredible stories to tell on this podcast, but I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you one that cut me to the

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<v Speaker 1>quick when I first read it. It involved a man

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<v Speaker 1>being killed by a bear in a creek drainage less

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty miles from where I live. I was shocked

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<v Speaker 1>and slightly offended that nobody ever told me this story.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to hear the first hand account from

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<v Speaker 1>Gershtoker of the death of his friend Erskine. This is

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<v Speaker 1>an excerpt from the book Wild Sports, published in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four. This story is taken out of context, so

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<v Speaker 1>there are some characters you'll need to know well as

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<v Speaker 1>Gershtalker's older American hunting partner and friend with hair as

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<v Speaker 1>white as snow. He said, Conwell lived in Arkansas. Wachiga

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<v Speaker 1>is a Cherokee that became a trusted friend and hunting

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<v Speaker 1>partner of Gershtalker. And you'll be introduced to young Erskine,

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<v Speaker 1>who Gershtalker had met some years before in the back country.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were off again before noon and gain the

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<v Speaker 1>source of the hurricane. Rode across the Devil's stepping path,

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<v Speaker 1>a narrow rock with a precipice on each side, left

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot rock on our left, and came towards evening

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<v Speaker 1>into the pine forest where we were sure of finding kindlers.

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<v Speaker 1>Descending the steep side of a mountain, we observed a

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<v Speaker 1>thin column of blue smoke by the side of the stream,

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<v Speaker 1>showing that some hunters were in camp there. We went

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<v Speaker 1>straight towards it and found it to be an Indian

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<v Speaker 1>camp in our former acquaintance young Erskine. Among them they

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<v Speaker 1>were Cherokees with three young chop tawls. These two tribes

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<v Speaker 1>being on good terms like ourselves, They were out bear hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>but it had better luck. A quantity of bear meat

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging about the camp and even the dogs would

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<v Speaker 1>eat no more. Casting ourselves down by the fire, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the squalls, for there were several women in the camp,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately cooked for us some bear, which we duly regaled ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Night came on, and soon we were all sunk in

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<v Speaker 1>deep repose. Early in the morning we began to move,

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<v Speaker 1>dividing into two parties for the better chance of finding game.

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<v Speaker 1>Conwell went with some of the Indians, amongst whom he

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<v Speaker 1>had found an old acquaintance, to make a circuit round

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot Rock, while Erskine and I, with three Cherokees,

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<v Speaker 1>proceeded to the sources of the frog Bayou. Knight found

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<v Speaker 1>us far from our camp, so we made one for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Where we were on the morning of February first, we

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<v Speaker 1>had hardly started ere we heard the dogs, which he could,

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<v Speaker 1>declared instantly that they were his brothers, and disappeared behind

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks without another word. As we stood listening, the

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<v Speaker 1>sound seemed to take a different direction. We ascended the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain as fast as we could to cut off the chase,

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<v Speaker 1>but found that we must have been mistaken, for in

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes all was as silent as a grave.

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<v Speaker 1>Once we thought we heard a shot, but we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be certain. We ascended to the highest terrace and walked

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<v Speaker 1>slowly on, looking out for fresh signs, and listening to

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<v Speaker 1>catch the sound of the dog below. Amongst the broken

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<v Speaker 1>masses of rock, they might be near without being heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the mountaintops, they are audible at a great distance.

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<v Speaker 1>It may have been two in the afternoon, and we

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<v Speaker 1>had seen nothing when bears grease raised his nose in

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<v Speaker 1>the air, remained for an instant or two in a

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<v Speaker 1>fixed position, then given a short smothered howl, dashed down

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain side. Listening attentively, we heard the chase coming

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<v Speaker 1>down the Hurricane River. Erskine and called out triumphantly, we

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<v Speaker 1>shall have plenty of bear this evening, and dashed after

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<v Speaker 1>the dog. I was soon by his side. I must

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<v Speaker 1>observe by the way that we were both very hungry. Presently,

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<v Speaker 1>a bear broke through the bushes. A projecting rock stopped

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<v Speaker 1>him for an instant when Erskine saluted him with a ball.

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<v Speaker 1>He received mine. As he rushed past and disappeared. The dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged to greater efforts by our shots, and the stronger

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<v Speaker 1>scent followed him out. Bear's grease, who was quite fresh

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<v Speaker 1>leading the van. Soon they came upon him and stopped him.

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<v Speaker 1>We rushed to the spot, without waiting to reload, and

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<v Speaker 1>arriving in time to see the beast, excited to the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest fury, kill four of our best dogs with as

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<v Speaker 1>many blows of his paws. But the others threw themselves

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<v Speaker 1>on him with greater animosity, and if our rifles had

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<v Speaker 1>been loaded, we could not have used them. Just as

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<v Speaker 1>a large, powerful brown dog, which had furiously attacked the bear,

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<v Speaker 1>was knocked over, bleeding and howling, Erskine called out, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>save the dog, threw down his rifle and rushed on

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<v Speaker 1>with his knife among the furious group. I followed on

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<v Speaker 1>the instant. When the bear saws coming, he exerted still

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<v Speaker 1>more force to beat off the dogs and meet us.

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<v Speaker 1>Seizing his opportunity, my comrade ran his steel into his side.

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<v Speaker 1>The bear turned on him like lightning and seized him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he uttered a shrill, piercing shriek. Driven to desperation

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<v Speaker 1>by the sight, I plunged my knife three times into

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<v Speaker 1>the monster's body with all my force, without thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>jumping back. At the third thrust, the bear turned upon me,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing as Paul coming. I attempted to evade the blow,

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<v Speaker 1>felt a sharp pang, and sunk senseless to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>When I recovered my senses, bear's grease was licking the

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<v Speaker 1>blood from my face. On attempting to rise, I felt

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<v Speaker 1>a severe pain in my left side and was unable

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<v Speaker 1>to move my left arm. On making a fresh effort,

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<v Speaker 1>I succeeded in sitting up. The bear was close to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and less than three feet from him, lay erskine, stiff

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<v Speaker 1>and cold. I sprang up with a cry of horror

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<v Speaker 1>and rushed towards him. It was too true. He was

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<v Speaker 1>bathed in blood, his face torn to pieces, his right

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder almost wrenched away from his body, and five of

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<v Speaker 1>the best dogs ripped up with broken limbs, lying beside him.

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<v Speaker 1>The bear was so covered with blood that his color

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<v Speaker 1>was hardly discernible. My left arm appeared to be out

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<v Speaker 1>of socket, but I could feel that no bones were broken.

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<v Speaker 1>The sun had gone down, and I'd hoped that the

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<v Speaker 1>other hunters might have heard our shots and the barking

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<v Speaker 1>and howling of the dogs. It grew dark.

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<v Speaker 4>No one came.

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<v Speaker 1>I roared and shouted like mad, but no one heard me.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to light a fire, but my left arm

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<v Speaker 1>was so swelled that I gave up the attempt. But

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<v Speaker 1>as it would have been certain death to pass the

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<v Speaker 1>night under the circums dances without a fire, I tore

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<v Speaker 1>away part of the back of my hunting shirt, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fore part, being saturated with blood, sprinkled some powder

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<v Speaker 1>on it, rubbed it well, and with my right hand

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<v Speaker 1>I shook a little powder into my rifle. Placing the

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<v Speaker 1>muzzle on the rag, I fired, blowing it up to

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<v Speaker 1>a flame. I piled on dry leaves and twigs, and

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<v Speaker 1>succeeded in making a good fire, though with great pain

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<v Speaker 1>and trouble. Now it was dark, I went to my

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<v Speaker 1>dead comrade, who was lying about five yards from the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>He was already stiff, and it was with great difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>that I could pull down his arms and lay him straight,

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<v Speaker 1>Nor could I keep his eyes closed, though I laid

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<v Speaker 1>small stones on them. The dogs were very hungry, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was impossible for me to break up the bear,

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<v Speaker 1>only ripped him up and fed them with his entrols.

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<v Speaker 1>Bear's grease laid himself down by the corpse, looking steadfastly

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<v Speaker 1>in his face, and went no more near the bear

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<v Speaker 1>and hoping of obtaining help, I loaded and fired twice,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing moved. The forest appeared one enormous grave. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt very ill, vomited several times as well as I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I laid myself down beside the fire and lost all

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness of my wretched situation. Whether I slept or fainted

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<v Speaker 1>is more than I can tell, but I know that

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<v Speaker 1>I dreamed that I was at home in my bed,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mother brought me some tea and laid her

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<v Speaker 1>hand on my breast. Such an awakening as I had,

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<v Speaker 1>was worse than I could wish. To my bitterest enemy,

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<v Speaker 1>Bear's greased had pressed close to my side, lying his

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<v Speaker 1>head on my breast. The fire was almost out, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was shivering with cold, and the wolves were howling

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<v Speaker 1>fearfully around the dead, keeping at a distance for fear

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<v Speaker 1>of the living, but by no means disposed to lose

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<v Speaker 1>their prey. I rose with difficulty and laid more wood

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<v Speaker 1>on the fire. As it burned up, the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the corpse seemed to brighten. I started, but found it

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<v Speaker 1>was only an optical delusion. Louder and fiercer howled the

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<v Speaker 1>wolves and the dogs, of whom five were alive. Besides

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<v Speaker 1>bear grease answered them. But the answer was by no

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<v Speaker 1>means one of defiance, rather a lament for the dead,

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<v Speaker 1>partly to scare away the wolves, and partly in hope

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<v Speaker 1>of finding help. I loaded and fired three times. My

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<v Speaker 1>delight was inexpressible as I heard three shots in return,

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<v Speaker 1>I loaded and fired until all my powder was expended.

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<v Speaker 1>As morning broke, I heard two shots not far off,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon after a third. A shipwrecked mariner hanging to

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<v Speaker 1>the side of a plank could not raise his voice

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<v Speaker 1>more lustily to hail a passing ship than I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and joy upon joy, I heard a human voice and answer.

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<v Speaker 1>The bark of the dogs announced a stranger, and Wachiga

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<v Speaker 1>advanced out of the bush wall, he exclaimed. Staring at

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<v Speaker 1>the shocking spectacle, he felt poor erskine and shook his

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<v Speaker 1>head mournfully. He turned to me. I showed him my

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<v Speaker 1>swollen arm, which he examined attentively. Without speaking, Forming a

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<v Speaker 1>hollow with his two hands and placing into his lips,

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<v Speaker 1>he gave a loud, piercing shout. The answer came from

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<v Speaker 1>no great distance, and in a few minutes my old

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<v Speaker 1>dear friend Conwell and most of the Indians were at

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<v Speaker 1>my side. I grasped Conwell's hands sorrowfully and told him

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<v Speaker 1>in few words how it all had happened. The old

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<v Speaker 1>man scolded and said, it served us right. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>greater danger in sticking a knife into a bear's paunch

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<v Speaker 1>when he's falling with the dogs upon him. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he has been thrown and then catches the sight of

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<v Speaker 1>his greatest enemy man, he exerts all his force to

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<v Speaker 1>attack him, and woe to him who comes within reach

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<v Speaker 1>of his paws. It was all very well talking. He

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<v Speaker 1>had not been present and seeing one dog after another

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<v Speaker 1>knocked over, never to rise again, five minutes more and

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<v Speaker 1>not one would have been saved. And who knows whether

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<v Speaker 1>the enraged beasts would not have attacked us. Then meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Indians had been digging a grave with their tomahawks,

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping the body in a blanket. They laid him in

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<v Speaker 1>it and covered him with earth and heavy stones. Conwell

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<v Speaker 1>cut down some young stems and made a fence around

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<v Speaker 1>the solitary grave. I could not avoid a shudder at

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<v Speaker 1>the quiet coolness of the whole proceeding, as the thought

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<v Speaker 1>struck me that the same persons under the same circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>would have treated me in the same cool way had

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I fallen instead of Erskine. Like me, he was a

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 1>lonely stranger in a foreign land, having left England some

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>years before, and his friends and relations will probably never

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 1>know what became of him. Thousands perish in this way

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<v Speaker 1>in America, of whom nothing more is heard, and perhaps

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 1>in a few months the remembrance of them was entirely

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<v Speaker 1>passed away.

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<v Speaker 4>To the dead was.

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Quietly laid in the grave. Wachiga came with an elderly

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Indian to look at my arm. Wachiga moved it while

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the other looked steadfastly in my face. The pain was

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<v Speaker 1>enough to drive me mad, but I would not utter

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a sound. Next, the Indian took hold of my arm,

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>laying his left hand on my shoulder, and while Wachiga

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>suddenly seized me round the body from behind, the other

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>pulled with all his force. The pain at first was

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>so great that I almost feinted, but it gradually diminished.

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 1>In spite of my resolve to show no signs of it,

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 1>I could not suppress a shriek. Conwell soon after asked

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>if I could ride on my answering yes, he helped

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 1>me on a horse, then throwing the bear's skin and

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>some of the meat on his own, we moved slowly homewards.

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>My sufferings on the way were very great, but I

0:27:49.960 --> 0:28:00.959
<v Speaker 1>uttered no murmur. I only longed for repose. That's one

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite stories of all time. I get chills

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:08.120
<v Speaker 1>listening to parts of it, and for that reason, Frederick

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 1>Gershtacker is also in the Beargreas Hall of Fame. We

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>did a series in twenty twenty two that was meaningful

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to me called Genuine Outlaws. It was about two men

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>from my hometown in western Arkansas named Blue Dell and

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Edwards. They both passed on now but were notorious

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>turkey poachers, but also beloved people in our community. As

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a kid, I was always a little bit confused by this.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, did we like them or did we not?

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Were they dangerous or were they friends? But this story

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>explores a bigger question of America's fascination with outlaws through

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the story of these two brothers. This clip is from

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<v Speaker 1>episode fifty two and starts with game warden Jimmy Martin,

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>who chased the brothers his whole career, but the story

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>transitions to Stony Edwards, Charlie's son, talking about some deep

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>family history that might have helped tip their tendencies towards outlaw.

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 5>There are old time poachers that grew up in hard times.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of them did the ones that I ran across,

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 5>the hardcore matters that used mets and the rivers and

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 5>on the lakes, the hard time night hunters for deer,

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, the bad turkey poachers, the bad daytime deer hunters.

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 5>They were all from old times when times was tough,

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 5>meat was hard to come by, and outlaw and was

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 5>just a way of life. Most of the old hard, hard,

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 5>hardcore poachers came from moonshiner families.

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<v Speaker 1>Old time poachers and moonshiners, remember those two things. The

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>first family member that I went to and I got

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 1>permission with Stony Edwards, the son of Charlie. I drove

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>out to the Big Fort community and found him at

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the Big Fort Mall, which is a small gas station

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that he and his wife run. I told him I

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>wanted to tell the whole story his dad and uncle,

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and he agreed. He began by showing me a story

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen twenty six. That's an interesting puzzle piece. Tragedy

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>literally struck the Edwards family. I'm reading from a laminated

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>newspaper clipping bound in a three ring binder. So this

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>is nineteen twenty six and it says officers shoot Carl

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Edwards in Polk County. Carl Edwards was killed in Montgomery

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>County Sunday afternoon by a bullet fired by some member

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of a posse that had just arrested two alleged moonshiners

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and probably were searching for more or for anyone connected

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>with the illicit traffic. Edwards, twenty three year old resident

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>of Heath Valley, which is right in Polk County, was

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>shot and instantly killed as he drove his Ford car

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>homeward from a hunting trip in Montgomery County. A single

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>bullet fired by one of the posse's six officers and

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>said to have wounded Edwards's brother, kill the dog, and

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>then given Carl Edwards a mortal womb as he set

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>at the steering wheel. The tragedy occurred the Government Road

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>between Big Fok and Norman. So who was Carl Edwards?

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<v Speaker 1>To you?

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<v Speaker 6>He would have been my dad's uncle, Okay, my grandfather's brother.

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>So what were they doing? They were trying to get

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>away from No.

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 6>In all actuality, uncle Landy was only I think he

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 6>was only like ten. They had been coon hunting. They

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 6>had coon dog in the car and Uncle Landy was

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 6>in the car and they were coming back and the

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 6>officers hollered for him to stop, and Carl hollered a

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 6>will at the bottom of the hill. Car didn't having brakes.

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 6>But you got to take the previous history into account

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 6>because they had been trying to catch him for years

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 6>and hadn't been able to so when he didn't stop

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 6>on command, they opened fire. And of course this ad

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 6>came from the newspaper, which I'm gonna say his bias

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 6>towards law enforcement at the time. It wasn't because those

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 6>men loaded my uncle up, drove him to my great grandparents'

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 6>house and dropped him on the porch when he was

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 6>shot dead. Yeah, they left him dead on the front porch.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Uncle Andy was shot through the ear.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just a kid.

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<v Speaker 6>He was ten years old. He was shot through the ear,

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<v Speaker 6>and of course it.

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<v Speaker 1>Killed his dad and his son in the car with

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<v Speaker 1>a coon dog.

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<v Speaker 6>No, it was two brothers, two brothers. Yeah, they were

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 6>thirteen years apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I see, I see.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 6>And the coon dog in the car and it.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Was a coon dog. Okay, no, it did say it

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>killed the dog.

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<v Speaker 6>It killed the dog, killed Carl and wounded in So Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a known moonshiner and they'd been trying to catch him.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you got to consider his His dad went to

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 6>Levenworth Prison for moonshining. So basically the whole family was

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 6>in the business. There's no way around it. Yeah, my

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 6>great grandfather had seven sons.

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>And they all lived out here in the valley.

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, right over there where I live now. We're still

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 6>on the original Edward's home plush.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>The whole family was quote in the business of moonshining,

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<v Speaker 1>and the killing of Carl Edwards and his coon dog

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty six was a tough pill for the

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>family to swallow, and Uncle Andy, who was just a

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>child at the time, had a partly shot off ears

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>whole life. A week after the shooting. The six officers

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>involved would be charged with murder. Carl Edwards was Louis

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Dell and Charlie's uncle, though he died before they were

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>ever born. This is another newspaper clipping. Charges of murder

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>have been made against six officers who were the posse

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that caused the death of Carl Edwards in Montgomery County

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 1>last Sunday afternoon. The six were Sheriff George how it

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>names all their names. Ruben Edwards, a brother of the

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>man killed, was in Mina Tuesday, and stated that the

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>accused officers had been summoned to court. I just wanted

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to say this was a murder case, and I mean

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:24.240
<v Speaker 1>that in and of itself could lead to a family

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>having some bad taste in their mouth for the law.

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<v Speaker 6>If it hadn't been for Rube at that time, the

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 6>other brothers would have killed all six officers. Rube stopped

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.879
<v Speaker 6>it and said that it would go to court.

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>And it'd be better off taking them to court than

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>killing them.

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 6>But the brothers would have killed them, and they're lucky

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 6>that they didn't.

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Later on, lucky is probably a good descriptor, because all

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>six officers would be acquitted of the murder charges they

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 1>got off. None of them were convicted, nor was there

0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 1>any recompense for the coon dog. This isn't the best

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>way to gain the trust of the government's law men.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd known Louis Dell and Charlie my whole life but

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>this was the first time I'd heard this story of

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>their families past. Sometimes the reasons why people are the

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 1>way they are go way back, and I don't view

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>that as an excuse for breaking the law. We've all

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>got things in our past that shape us that we

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>have to overcome. But the redemption in this story that

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.879
<v Speaker 1>I see today is that the Edwards clan do their

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>best to follow the law Outlaw and has kind of

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>faded into the past for them coming from where they did.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I respect that The genuine Outlaw series was episode fifty

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 1>two through fifty six. My buddy Steve Ranella says that

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>it's his favorite Beargary series. Lastly, I'd like to go

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:58.280
<v Speaker 1>back to January to episode one eight, titled the Donnie

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Baker Story Mayor. It was our most listened to episode

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four and many people were struck by

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Donnie's fourth right and it's about a dark time in

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>his life when he illegally killed a two hundred and

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 1>nine inch buck on the military base Fort leonard Wood

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in Central Missouri. Here's Donnie talking about the moment he

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>saw the buck from his truck.

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<v Speaker 7>So as I as I kind of hit my brakes

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 7>and it spooks him a little bit and he hops

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 7>down to the timberline. But when he gets to the timberline,

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 7>in front of him are two really good bucks. It

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 7>was a massive, huge eight point with a little bitty

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 7>brow tines and a really nice ten. So I pulled down.

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 7>There's a running track there in some porta potties. So

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 7>I pulled down to those porta potties and I thought, right,

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:46.919
<v Speaker 7>I thought I could kill it deer right there.

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 4>And like I.

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 7>Said, it was just kind of I don't know if

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 7>you ever when you was a kid shot at a

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 7>bird on a setting in a tree or something, just

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 7>kind of and then when you do kill it, you think, oh, man,

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 7>that's kind of what I went through there. But I

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 7>knew it was an on hunting area. So I grabbed

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 7>my bow and just jeans and boots and well behind

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 7>the porta potties up this little rise and there was

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 7>a big old red oak that had died and fell over.

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 7>And when I got to that red oak, I was

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 7>considering if I should hunker down there or climb over it.

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 4>And as I'm as I'm contemplating that.

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, at this point, you've made a decision

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>you're illegally kill this.

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and let me ask you this.

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think every human has experienced a moral

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 1>dilemma of being given an opportunity that they know is

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>wrong and them not taking it.

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:36.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>But then there's like this this suck, this drawl, that

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>something happens that all of a sudden you cross into

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a red zone and it's something flips.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 7>Well was at this time, Clay I had I had

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 7>seen I'd had twenty two in my truck multiple times

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 7>from from squirrel hunting. When I've seen this deer. You know,

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 7>if if I had set out to poach this deer,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I could have shot it many times. But

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 7>when I saw that deer for the first time, I said,

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 7>I've got to kill that deer. I mean, it just

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 7>felt like that was almost a rite of passage for

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 7>people who think that I was a good quality bow hunters.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 4>I was going to have killed this monster deer.

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>There's some profoundness in Donnie's honest, simple conclusion of his motivation.

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>He was a twenty six year old man hungry for

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.320
<v Speaker 1>validation from the world around him, and killing a big

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>deer with his bow was a pathway to gain respect.

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I remember when the picture of the

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>first decent deer that I killed hung on the wall

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>at the local bow shop, and I soaked up any

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>validation that I could get from anywhere. Validation for grand

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>feats are important in a young man's life or a

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>young woman's life, but when they're stolen, the system is

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>cheated and it produces the opposite of what it's supposed to.

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to identity and self confidence and a sense

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of worth, but what it actually creates is insecurity when

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>it's stolen. But let's get back to Donnie. Here's what happened.

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 7>So when I knew where that deer was going to go,

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 7>I knew it was illegal, but never really give that

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 7>a consideration. Just the only thing I was saying about

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 7>is wanting to kill it deer. I needed to kill

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<v Speaker 7>that deer some reason. I just thought that that's something

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<v Speaker 7>I had to do. And as they get to that

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<v Speaker 7>red oak, I'm considered, if I need to climb over

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<v Speaker 7>to hunker down there, and it's just a few yards

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<v Speaker 7>off of it's a high line, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 7>it's pretty clean.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a little brush there.

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<v Speaker 7>As I'm I'm sure I'm moving around and I look

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<v Speaker 7>up in that big ten is twenty five yards from me,

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<v Speaker 7>staring at me. Well, he blows and takes off running,

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<v Speaker 7>and I thought, gosh, dang, I mean I blew that up,

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<v Speaker 7>still not thinking, you know, hope nobody's seen me or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>And as I watched them cross Army Street, I look

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<v Speaker 7>back where they were, and a probably thirty five yards

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<v Speaker 7>behind him, that bucks stand there staring right at me,

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<v Speaker 7>wide open between he and I. I really believe if

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<v Speaker 7>he was a National Force wild deer, he'd have been gone.

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<v Speaker 4>To you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I shoot a single pin hha side and I had

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<v Speaker 7>had an arrow knock. I knocked narrow forore. I set

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<v Speaker 7>my bow on that red oak, trying to side where

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<v Speaker 7>I was going to try to get. So I draw

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<v Speaker 7>my bow back and he's still just standing there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>he's looking right at me. I know that if I

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<v Speaker 7>can fall it into his front end, high success rate

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<v Speaker 7>killing him. And I put that pen right underneath his nose,

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<v Speaker 7>just right about the top of his white patch and

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<v Speaker 7>turn it blues.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how long it took Adam, after sinking his

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<v Speaker 1>teeth through the skin of the forbidden apple, to regret

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<v Speaker 1>his decision, the bite initiated a sequence of unretractable consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Man's always had a problem with laws, breaking them, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>But laws are the guideposts of societal security, designed for

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<v Speaker 1>the well being of us. All the truth is is

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody wants some form of law in their life

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<v Speaker 1>to protect them and their interests, even in a time

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<v Speaker 1>in America where we're talking about liberty and freedom and

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<v Speaker 1>laws take away all this stuff which I am generally

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely in agreement with. However, I'm telling you we all

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<v Speaker 1>love laws, but we like to cherry pick. The ones

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<v Speaker 1>that we'd like to break are the ones that infringe

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<v Speaker 1>upon our personal freedom. And it's kind of bizarre. Human

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<v Speaker 1>life is complex, society's complex. As I'm sitting here with

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie hearing this story for the first time, I am

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<v Speaker 1>struck with a palpable sense of remorse as the arrow

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<v Speaker 1>drifts through the air and hits the buck just below

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<v Speaker 1>the throat patch. Later we'll learn that as a society,

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<v Speaker 1>we demand remorse from the people who've cheated the system

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of myself. The buck has just been shot.

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<v Speaker 7>The first thing I think is I shot him right

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<v Speaker 7>in the front leg, and that was the first sick

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<v Speaker 7>feeling I got in bout. I thought, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 7>I just win that monster, dear, and shouldn't he been

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<v Speaker 7>doing this? And that's still running through my mind when

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<v Speaker 7>I hear him crash, and then reality starts setting in

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<v Speaker 7>good and grief. So I set my bow down, ease

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<v Speaker 7>up to the eye, look around, make sure there's no

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<v Speaker 7>cars coming down the highway, and there's nobody really in

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<v Speaker 7>that area at that time. Nobody had to run and

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<v Speaker 7>trap where I was parking with him, So I instead

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<v Speaker 7>of blood trailing him, I kind of stay out of sight,

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<v Speaker 7>and I sneak down there where I thought I heard

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<v Speaker 7>him crash and he's laying there dead, and to walk up.

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<v Speaker 4>On him and grab his antlers.

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<v Speaker 7>You should feel the most excitement you've ever had in

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<v Speaker 7>your life, other than like one of your kids being

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<v Speaker 7>born or something. And I kind of had the opposite feeling,

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<v Speaker 7>and I immediately I thought, there's no way that I'm

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<v Speaker 7>going to get away with this.

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<v Speaker 1>The Donnie Baker series is one that you just have

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to understand. The crescendo of the final episode,

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<v Speaker 1>number one eighty two left a lot of grown men

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<v Speaker 1>in tears. How could a poaching story do that. It

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<v Speaker 1>surprised me too. As I analyze these stories that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me, there's kind of an odd theme at

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<v Speaker 1>least in three of them, and that is people breaking

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<v Speaker 1>the law. And I can see how it might be

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<v Speaker 1>possible to miss the point. I don't claim to be perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>I was raised by Gary Bilivernukam, who taught me to

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<v Speaker 1>be a law Biden Feller, and to the best of

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<v Speaker 1>my ability, I've lived by that code. But really, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in these stories is the redemption. All these

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<v Speaker 1>stories have a heavy dose of redemption. I can't thank

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<v Speaker 1>you enough for listening to Bear Grease as we close

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<v Speaker 1>the year. I'm truly grateful for every one of you

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that listen and support Brent and I on this Bear

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Grease feet. Every Bear Grease episode feels like it takes

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<v Speaker 1>shape on its own. It kind of forms up like

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<v Speaker 1>a cloud as I explore and research something I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 1>and it honestly feels like it's out of my control.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people view creating content as something that they can

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<v Speaker 1>completely control just by the decisions they make and what

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<v Speaker 1>they do. This doesn't feel like that to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have scripted meeting Warner Glenn, or blindly walking into

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Donnie Baker's home and watching and hearing that story unfold

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>before me just like it did, y'all. I couldn't have

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>scripted the hair on my neck raising up as I

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<v Speaker 1>read the one hundred and eighty year old text of

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<v Speaker 1>Gershtok talking about erskin dying. Can I guarantee compelling stories

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<v Speaker 1>that give us insight into human nature and our powerful

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<v Speaker 1>connection to wild places. I don't think I can, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not coming from me. I didn't generate it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think these stories are fueled by something bigger, and

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<v Speaker 1>that give me faith that in twenty twenty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>stories are just going to get better. Thank you again,

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<v Speaker 1>really truly, thank you so much for listening to Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease and Brent's This Country Life podcast. Hope everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Keep the

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<v Speaker 1>wild places wild, because that's where the bears live.