1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Cowboys 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: Nation podcast with instant reactions and analysis to breaking news 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: and events in Cowboys Nation. 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: This is Podcast Nation coming to you live. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 3: From Indianapolis, Indiana. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Nicole Hudgerson, Kyle Yeoman's and the one and only Dave Hellman. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah I should have did it like a drum roll. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Y'all are very familiar with him, but now with the 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: athletic Thank you man for joining us. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: We appreciate you always. 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 4: What you like that it feels so good to be back. 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 5: Is it nostalgic yet? 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 4: Of course it's nostalgic Workatius. We got that. These are 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 4: the same headsets. 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is the same headsets. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 4: Same headsets. Alex is here shooting us. 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 6: Like if I just took away the signage, I'd be like, 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 6: is it twenty eighteen? 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 4: Are we drafting lighton vander ash this year? 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 7: Like? 22 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 4: What's going on? 23 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 8: We can go find the old draft show drop like 24 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 8: backdrop in the closet if we need to. 25 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 4: Dane's here, Actually yeah we could, so is Brian. 26 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 5: We can make it all happen. 27 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 6: Over here old drafts together. Yeah, nostalgic out out the wazoo. 28 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 5: What's going on? 29 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: Man? 30 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 3: A lot obviously to talk about for the Cowboys. 31 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest topic of conversation is George Pickens. 32 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: I mean we've talked contracts. I mean, I joke about 33 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: it since I've been here since twenty twenty three. 34 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: Of me, of course you hasn't changed. 35 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: But you know, obviously Stephen Jones mentioning that they're leaning 36 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: towards franchise tagging George Pickens. That would be twenty eight 37 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: million dollars against the cat. But I want to know 38 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: from you, do you agree with tagging him? And if not, 39 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: where's kind of where you stand on that. 40 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: I'm going to subvert it. 41 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm going to do the opposite of what 42 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 6: you just had. 43 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 8: Okay, he does this a lot, trust me, It's not 44 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 8: just you. He did it to me all the time. 45 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: Y'all live y'all live in the building. I don't live 46 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: there anymore. 47 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 6: I have like, I have my own opinions from across 48 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 6: the country. 49 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 4: I will share them in a minute. What do y'all think? 50 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: I get frustrated because we have been here before with 51 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: the whole contract situations, and I bring up CD Lamb, 52 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: I bring up Dak of course, but even though they weren't, 53 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: you know, tax situations, it took so long to get 54 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: things going offensively when the contracts, of course kind of 55 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: took center. 56 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: Stage, so to speak. And so I think it's vital. 57 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about an offense that was the best, 58 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: one of the best in twenty twenty five, and when 59 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: you have those two concrete pieces, you can't risk losing 60 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: your two top wide receivers, right, So I think it's 61 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: important to get the get it done. I think it's 62 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: important to send a message that you like to keep 63 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: your guys here, like you did with the Javonte Williams, 64 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: signing him early because you know that you need a 65 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: run game and you hadn't done that necessarily with running 66 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: backs in previous years. But so yeah, I think it's 67 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: get it done. So you know, you send the message 68 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: and you keep your offensive weapons here. 69 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Don't touch the offense, 70 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 8: do what you get you gotta do. I think from 71 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 8: a money standpoint, it's interesting because the league itself doesn't 72 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 8: see the value in George Pickens like the Cowboys see 73 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 8: the value in George Pickens because they saw what he 74 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 8: did to this offense. They saw what he did with 75 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 8: a capable quarterback behind center, and the money is gonna 76 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 8: be where there's some back and forth because is he 77 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 8: going to be a reset of the market closing in 78 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 8: on forty million dollars because Jackson Smith and jig Bu's 79 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 8: got a deal coming up. 80 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 5: There's a couple other. 81 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 8: Wide receivers that have deals, Pukunakua being another one. I 82 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 8: think you're you're probably a notch below that, but you're 83 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 8: probably probably right around the same level of what Ceedee 84 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 8: Lamb's contract was around thirty million dollars a year on average, 85 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 8: and if that ends up being the case, you're paying 86 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 8: two wide receivers sixty million dollars aav over the next 87 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 8: couple of years. So I think the tag is a 88 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 8: foregone conclusion. Just to get the money stuff figured out, 89 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 8: You're going to tag him. 90 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 5: That's gonna happen. That's part of it. 91 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 9: The tag. 92 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 6: I used to say that, I got a lot of 93 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 6: practice saying this because the Cowboys doing a lot. The 94 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 6: tag is just a placeholder, that's exactly what is. Just 95 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 6: to keep other people from competing with you. Yeah, my 96 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 6: answer to you, and I know you're just presenting the argument, Sure, 97 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 6: two receivers are going to make sixty million dollars, so what. 98 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 5: No, I'm okay with that. 99 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: So what. 100 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 5: No, I'm cool. We were mad that the d ND. 101 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 6: Was gonna make Oh, we're gonna pay We're gonna pay 102 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 6: a d N forty million dollars. 103 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: You can't do that, so we trade him and now 104 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 4: it's like, well, what do you want to. 105 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 5: Us, what's going on with the position? 106 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 6: News flash, great players in a league where the cap 107 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 6: jumps twenty percent every year cost a lot of money. 108 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: It's just the reality of the situation. I'm so tired 109 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: of that. And again it's not directed at you, even if. 110 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 8: I'm on the same page, because they're going to they're 111 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 8: going to pay that that money. I don't see a 112 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 8: world where this negotiation happens the same way as Michael 113 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 8: Parsons does. And a lot of Cowboys fans are scarred 114 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 8: because of how that went down. 115 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 6: It's understandable if you're worried about that when it just 116 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 6: happened last year and it's the same agent in David Mulgato, 117 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 6: like you are completely justified in being worried about how 118 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 6: this is going to go. I just I hope it's 119 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 6: not the case, and I'll be very frustrated if it 120 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 6: is the case. 121 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: Here's where I come down. 122 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I like, look, we all love number four, 123 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 6: and I hope he plays until he's forty, and he 124 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 6: is dedicated in a way that he probably could. 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: You can't operate that way. 126 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 6: It is time to operate in the vein of we 127 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 6: got a few years left of Dak Prescott's prime. We 128 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 6: got a handful of years left where we could conceivably 129 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 6: build a championship contender with Dak Prescott as our quarterback. 130 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: What are we doing if we're. 131 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 6: Not trying to strengthen the offense, lock it in for 132 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 6: the long term. If Pickens is under contract for multiple years, 133 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 6: you can play with his money. You can free up 134 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 6: cap space to do the things that you need to do. 135 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: It's time to go. 136 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 6: Yep, you got two first round picks to use on defense. 137 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 6: You can get Oh no, we're paying two receivers sixty 138 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 6: million dollars. Well, if you do a good job with 139 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 6: these picks that you got for Micah, you can put 140 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 6: cheap cost controlled players on the defense for the next 141 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 6: five years. Yep, to go with Quinnen and the other 142 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 6: pieces that you do have on defense. 143 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: It's time to go. 144 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 6: It is time to invest in keeping the offense the same, 145 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 6: to give Dak the best chance. 146 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: To play at the level he's capable of. 147 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 6: And then if you do the right job with your 148 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 6: two number one picks and all the other stuff that 149 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 6: you've gotten with all this maneuvering, you can have a 150 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 6: perfectly acceptable defense. Oh and by the way, if you 151 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 6: signed George Pickens instead of playing him on a twenty 152 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 6: eight million dollar tag, again, you can fudge the numbers 153 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 6: spend a little bit of money in free agency. 154 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: Do the Cowboys actually want to do that? I guess 155 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: we'll see in about two weeks. 156 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: You know, that's another topic, a conversation I want to 157 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: bring up because I feel like we've talked about, you know, 158 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: the free agency aspect. In Granted, last year they did 159 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: attack free agency, did they hit necessarily with all their 160 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 2: pieces that they brought in in free agency? A Logan 161 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: Wilson necessarily, a Kenneth Murray. You didn't get what you 162 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 2: were expecting to get out of him. Of course, you 163 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: get what you got from Pickens, But. 164 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 6: It's so it's so surprising that bargain ben trades. Yeah, 165 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 6: disappointing veteran players didn't necessarily work out, but it's that And. 166 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 8: You bring up again a good point, but remember those 167 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 8: were all trades. Look, Wilson was a trade, Kenneth Murray 168 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 8: was a trade, George Pickens was a trade. 169 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 5: I mean, they're all different. 170 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: Don't forget about Kyrie Elom Kyrie Elam trade. 171 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 8: I mean, the highest valued free agent they signed last 172 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 8: year was Dante Fowler Junior, who they thought they were 173 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 8: getting a multi a double digit sack guy. 174 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 6: Ironically, you know, lest I sound like I hate on 175 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 6: everything they do. I like the Fouler sign to Fine, 176 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 6: you shouldn't let him go to Washington in the first place. 177 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 6: Absolutely good for you, And I mean sometimes things don't 178 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 6: work out, but we can't let that scare us away 179 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 6: from trying at all. 180 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: Who has the most approve heading into this twenty twenty 181 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: six season currently on this roster. 182 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, a lot. I'm I'm like, I'm trying 183 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 4: to like turn my cowboy brain back on. 184 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 6: I'm curious and again, like I would love to hear 185 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: y'all's take on it. I think I think he probably 186 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 6: played better than the narrative would imply. I'm curious about 187 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 6: Terrence Steele, Like if you look you look at it 188 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 6: from like fifty thousand feet and you're like, ah, Terrence 189 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 6: Steele probably hasn't lived up to that contract. 190 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: Like the Cowboys could. 191 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 6: They could probably cut him if they wanted to, Like 192 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 6: if they were looking to find money in the couch 193 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 6: cushions to do other. 194 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: Stuff to do it, they probably could. 195 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 6: But again, if we're trying to maximize and be better 196 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 6: over this next two or three year window, are you 197 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 6: better without Terrence Steel and you're kind of you're creating 198 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 6: problems for yourself, like would you move Tyler Geid into 199 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 6: right tackle or do you have to find a right tackle? 200 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 6: And so I guess I would say him, because I'm 201 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 6: sitting here saying, like I eventually come down on it 202 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 6: where I'm like, I think you're probably better off just 203 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 6: leaving it alone. 204 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: But do they feel that way? 205 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 6: And if we're talking in that way about a guy 206 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 6: that makes what he makes, that it's on him to 207 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 6: change that narrative. 208 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 8: I'm interested here because you talk about turning on the 209 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 8: cowboy brain, because you never quite turn it off, because 210 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 8: that would have been my answer to So Tarren Steele's 211 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 8: right there, but just talking in general, and since you 212 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 8: do cover the league gets such a wide. 213 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: Range from what you used to. 214 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 8: Is it as severe with other franchises across the NFL 215 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 8: the lack of interest in free agency and the trade 216 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 8: or the draft and develop sort of scenario, because at 217 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 8: least to this point, it feels like there is momentum 218 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 8: to be aggressive this offseason in free agency or trades 219 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 8: or whatever it may be. And then you got the 220 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 8: two first round picks. 221 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 4: So right now, all. 222 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 8: Signs are pointing toward a shift in thinking, not just 223 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 8: draft and develop. But they're gonna have to press go 224 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 8: on this thing at some point. Is the Cowboys or 225 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 8: are the Cowboys as a whole different than the thirty 226 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 8: one other organizations. 227 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 5: The more that you've gotten to cover and know. 228 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 4: Them absolutely that there are a handful of teams that 229 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: do this. 230 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 6: Ironically, this is not the time to talk about them 231 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 6: because they traded for Micah Parsons. The Packers are famously 232 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 6: a team that loves to stay within their own house 233 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 6: and draft their own guys. I think I read the 234 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 6: other day that over the last five years they've only 235 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 6: brought in like nine free agents, like they just they 236 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 6: don't do it. Although I will say when the Packers 237 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 6: decide to do it, they get pretty wild with it. 238 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 6: Like they'll trade for Micah Parsons, They'll sign Xavier McKinney, 239 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 6: they signed Zadarius and Preston Smith several years back. So 240 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 6: when they are willing to do it, they can and 241 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 6: ball in. I do think the Cowboys are pretty unique 242 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 6: in the just the absolute lack of willingness to invest 243 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 6: real money. And I think most other fan bases there 244 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 6: are there are a few, like I said, like there 245 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 6: are a few teams that that sort of do it 246 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 6: this way, but most. 247 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 4: Fan bases have a high degree of confidence. 248 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 6: Maybe maybe we're not going to go spend one hundred 249 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 6: million dollars on March ninth, but they have a high 250 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 6: degree of confidence that, like, we're going to invest in 251 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 6: one to four pieces that will make a tangible difference 252 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 6: for our team. And we're at I think twelve years 253 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 6: of the Cowboys just not being willing to play in 254 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 6: those waters. I mean, the year before I got to 255 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 6: Dallas was the year that they signed Brandon Carr. 256 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was a big deal. 257 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I remember getting I got there for brand 258 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 6: Carr's second year and it was like, okay, like he 259 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 6: was pretty good, but how do we get more out 260 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 6: of him? And they didn't spend a lot of free 261 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 6: agent money that year, and I was like, well, that 262 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 6: makes sense. They just spent all this money like a 263 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 6: year ago, and here we are, like twelve years after that, 264 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 6: and they still haven't. 265 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: They're just like not ever again. I think ever again. 266 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: I think we've all agreed they need to attack free agency. 267 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: They've got to hit on this draft. And since we 268 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: are here at NFL COMBAE got to ask you what 269 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: are who are some of the guys that have impressed 270 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: you that you're looking forward to seeing come drills time 271 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: and a possibly the Cowboys could be interested in. 272 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 4: I was thinking about this. 273 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 6: I figured we talk about it, and I'm I'm excited 274 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 6: for Cowboy fans this year. 275 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: And I know they have picked twenty that is good too. 276 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 5: But twelve is a premium pick. 277 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 6: Twelve is really exciting for the Cowboys in my opinion, 278 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 6: because I was doing the math on this. Okay, all right, 279 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 6: let's let's just talk about it. You've got Fernando Mendoza. Yep, 280 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 6: you got Jeremiah Love you got Probably we'll say two 281 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 6: receivers just to be conservative because Jordan Tyson's dealing with 282 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 6: an injury. Who knows how that'll affect things, So we'll 283 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 6: say two. So that's four Spencer Fano, five, Francis Malinoa. 284 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 5: Yep, a couple of tackles. 285 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 6: I just said six names that are not going to 286 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 6: be Dallas Cowboys. So now do the math on what 287 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 6: that means for who will be available. Somebody named Bain, Styles, Downs, Bailey, 288 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 6: they'll be there. 289 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't tell you who it's gonna be. 290 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 4: But somebody awesome is gonna be sitting there at twelve. 291 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 8: And I think we're gonna look at it down the 292 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 8: line and maybe let's say those wide receivers don't go 293 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 8: in front of Dallas. 294 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 5: Let's hope they do, but there's a realistic chance. 295 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 8: They don't go in the top twelve because the teams 296 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 8: and the needs that are up there. But you're gonna 297 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 8: get a premium spot to maybe take the best corner 298 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 8: in the draft. 299 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't exactly. 300 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: If you like McCoy, whatever, you could take the best safety. 301 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 5: In the draft. 302 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 8: It downs does fall. I don't think he will. I 303 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 8: think he'll probably end up being a top five pick. 304 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 8: The the edge rushers, you're gonna get a top two 305 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 8: or three edge rusher in this draft, a top two 306 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 8: or three linebacker in this draft. You're going to find 307 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 8: a need at a very high level immediately in this draft, 308 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 8: and that that is exciting. And then you get to 309 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 8: pick again. You turn around, and eight picks later, we're 310 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 8: gonna be right back on the clock. We're not even 311 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 8: gonna get into secret audio yet on draft coverage on 312 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 8: draft nights, and we're gonna turn around and be right 313 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 8: there at twenty and oh look, here's another. 314 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 5: Pick that could change the future of this franchise. 315 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 4: Who gives a damn. 316 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 6: The receivers are making sixty million dollars, We're gonna we're 317 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 6: gonna come out of draft weekend with Sonny Styles and 318 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 6: avy On Taroll being in Cowboy uniforms. 319 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: That's that's great, That's fine with me. 320 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 6: That's how you're supposed to team build if you're gonna 321 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 6: spend a lot on receivers, exactly, let's keep the best 322 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 6: offense in the NFL intact and if two blue chip 323 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 6: defenders are playing for the Cowboys. Next year, the defense 324 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 6: will at least be good enough to not embarrass you 325 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 6: eight times of a season or what ten times the season? 326 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 5: What happened last year? 327 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, you can hear him on the Draft show, the 328 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 8: Cowboys break cover for the Blitz. You can hear him 329 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 8: everywhere on Dallas Cowboys dot com. He is David Helmet. 330 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 5: What was the what is. 331 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 8: The lasting memory you have of Dallas Cowboys dot com? Like, 332 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 8: not to get an nostalgic or emotional or anything, but like, 333 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 8: this is the first time you've been on the Cowboys 334 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 8: dot com airwaves really in a minute? 335 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 5: Maybe since you left. I think you may have popped 336 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 5: on once it kept on like. 337 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: A draft show or two. Maybe I don't know. 338 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, actually our old guy, this quote really 339 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 6: stuck with me. He still says it to this day, 340 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 6: Dan Quinn. Yeah, he loves to say, like I don't 341 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 6: want to curse on here. He's like, I love to 342 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 6: do hard stuff with good people, And my lasting memory 343 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 6: of working for the Cowboys is working really really hard 344 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 6: and long hours and making an ungodly amount of content 345 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 6: with people that I love, like working with you and 346 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 6: obviously you know brought us and I were attached at 347 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 6: the hip for ten years. Yeah, Rob Phillips, Eatman Derek, 348 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 6: I mean these are I mean, I'd still talk to 349 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 6: y'all on a regular basis to this day. And so 350 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 6: like just being in those trenches, like you know, twenty 351 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 6: eight days at training camp, working twelve hour days, making 352 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 6: all the content that you need to make to get 353 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 6: through a training camp. That's what sticks with me for sure. 354 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, It hasn't changed. 355 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: We are making a goodly amount of content and always will. 356 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: This is my first time meeting you in person. 357 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: So it's very such a pleasure, such a pleasure. Thank 358 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: you for hopping on. We've got more coming up on 359 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: podcast Nation. 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Terms 413 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 14: and conditions apply valid only at participating locations. 414 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Back to the Cowboys Nation Podcast. 415 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: Welcome back into Podcast Nation Combine. Addition, coming to you 416 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: from Indianapolis, Indiana, Nicole Hutcheson Yeoman's in the one and 417 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: only East West Shrine Bowl champion. We have Titans coach 418 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: Lunda Wells, I mean, Lunda, how you doing. We're here 419 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: at Combine. What's this week been like for you? 420 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 11: Doing great? 421 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 15: You know, it's another great opportunity to be here at 422 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 15: the Combine, to see the new class coming out and 423 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 15: get the evaluations process started again. It's always a good 424 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 15: time of the year because again it's like you're going 425 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 15: shopping for new cars and trying to find the right 426 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 15: car to fit in the right garage. And so it's 427 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 15: a great time here in India. 428 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 8: Now we are going to get into what cars you 429 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 8: already have in the garage too with the Cowboys and 430 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 8: in your tight end room. But I do want to 431 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 8: talk about the experience you had at the East West 432 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 8: Rine Game. You got to be the head coach of 433 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 8: a winning team and put piece together among incredibly trying circumstances, 434 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 8: ice storm hits, You got all sorts of prospects dropping 435 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 8: out and canceling and kind of back and forth of me. 436 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 8: What was that experience like for you from a head 437 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 8: coaching standpoint and getting to see these draft prospects up close. 438 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 15: Yeah, from from a head coaching standpoint, it was a 439 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 15: great opportunity to implement you know, schedule and lead you know, staff, 440 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 15: and lead a group of young men out there on 441 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 15: the field that's trying to better their opportunity for the draft. 442 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 15: In terms of what it gives you as a coach, 443 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 15: you know, you get a chance to see them in 444 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 15: their perious form in terms of football, and you know, 445 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 15: on the grass and in the meeting rooms, in the 446 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 15: training table. So the evaluation that you get from working 447 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 15: at the game, it's Unbelievable's stuff that you can't. 448 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 11: Get off the tape. 449 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 15: Yeah, you really get a chance to see how the 450 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 15: guy is and how the guys interact amongst their teammates 451 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 15: and so, uh, it's priceless experience. 452 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 11: Those those experiences are similar to the combine. 453 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 15: You know, you get a chance to walk amongst the 454 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 15: guys and get to really know them. 455 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 5: How cold was the ice bath at the end of 456 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 5: the game? 457 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 9: Uh? 458 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 15: Cold, but it was more sticky dump catering. 459 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 11: It was like, I couldn't get no water, You. 460 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 5: Couldn't give me a break. 461 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 8: I just got this this wardrobe, I just got the 462 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 8: hoodie and everything. 463 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: But it's good. 464 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 15: I'm telling the guys, I really think had a really 465 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 15: good time. And I really feel like the guys that 466 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 15: stayed with us the whole week improved and gave themselves 467 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 15: a great opportunity to get even more evaluation. 468 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: Talked about the head coaching experience. 469 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: What's the biggest takeaway that from that process that you 470 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: can now help or can help you in your current position. 471 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: It kind of help you grow. 472 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 15: It's just it's really an affirmation of just scheduling. You know, 473 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 15: you gotta, you gotta If you're leading some people, it's 474 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 15: no different when coach Settenheimer puts out his schedule for us, 475 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 15: setting your schedule within his schedule for your group and 476 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 15: so that you can maximize the time in the day 477 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 15: and maximize the time that you have with those guys. 478 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: So what's the scheduling process and how has it changed 479 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: for you now that you have used that experience. 480 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: To kind of help you. 481 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 11: Again, we hadn't had our guys yet. 482 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 15: So it's just again like I said, it's it's affirmation 483 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 15: being very detailed with you and the information that you've 484 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 15: given to you guys, and just continue to reform at 485 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 15: d and massage that and make it even better every year. 486 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 8: What does it mean to you to be one of 487 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 8: the most tenured coaches for the Dallas Cowboys this year? 488 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 8: I mean, you're going into what is this year six? 489 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 8: Year seven? So you're seven with the team. There's nobody 490 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 8: else on the squad that has had that longngevity that 491 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 8: you've had. 492 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 5: What does that mean to you to hear that? 493 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 15: You know, honestly, I really look at it as hey, y'all, 494 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 15: don't look at as luck. I just look at it 495 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 15: as blessings from the man up above, because again, you know, 496 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 15: luck kind of runs out and blessings continue to flow end, 497 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 15: and so I really I don't look at it as hey, 498 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 15: you know, the longest tenured I just look at it, man, 499 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 15: I'm highly blessed. 500 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, you've along that tenure, You've had the two different 501 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 8: head coaches brought in under Mike McCarthy continued with Brian Schottenheimer. 502 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 8: How much have you seen Coach Schottenheimer grow over the 503 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 8: last year and change since becoming the head coach and 504 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 8: really accepting this role and trying to learn with it himself. 505 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 15: Again, he's done a phenomenal job in terms of implementing 506 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 15: how he wants to do things, implementing his messages and 507 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 15: really putting together the staff that can work together. 508 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 11: You know, the chemistry and uh yeah. 509 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 15: And he's still continuing to readjust and and and and 510 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 15: make changes to the way that he's doing things and 511 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 15: us he's always trying to make it better. 512 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 11: And so he's done a great job. 513 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: I want to start diving into this Titan room because 514 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: you have had the luxury of having some quality guys 515 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: in that room. Jake Ferguson Revin Span four taking that 516 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: next step from year two or in year two, so 517 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: to speak, where you say you need them to take 518 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: that next step heading into twenty twenty. 519 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 15: Six again like like for for every you know, I 520 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 15: get asked that question in terms of the next step, 521 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 15: and I keep leaning back to consistency. Consistency because again, 522 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 15: it's not enough for you to just do it well, 523 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 15: one year. 524 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 11: It's about the longevity. 525 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 15: And in order for you to have that longevity, you 526 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 15: gotta continue to keep inputting and reevaluating and making better 527 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 15: how you go about your business. Yeah, and so the 528 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 15: next step for those guys is just continue to be consistent. 529 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 15: Attack every year as if it was year one and 530 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 15: you didn't know anything and you didn't accomplish anything, because 531 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 15: every year is different. You know, you just can't turn 532 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 15: turn the page and just rewrite it the same way. 533 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 15: You got to continue to try to make it better 534 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 15: and find unique ways to get better. 535 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 11: Because again, these guys initially they was young. 536 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 15: Now they got miles on them, they have tape, and 537 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 15: so they have to understand that teams are going to 538 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 15: attack them a certain way and and play them a 539 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 15: certain way and based them on what they've done in 540 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 15: previous years. And so you guys, you have to put 541 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 15: more into it and try to stay ahead of the game. 542 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 8: Speaking on consistency, Luke Scoomaker is a guy that I 543 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 8: know both coaching staff, Cowboys fans are like wanted to 544 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 8: see more out of over the last couple of years, 545 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 8: but this past year felt like the consistency stuck for 546 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 8: schoonmaker and he's now going into a contract year, final 547 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 8: year of his rookie deal, which that flew by really 548 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 8: quick and probably for you too. 549 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 5: How much have you seen him take steps? 550 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 8: And what do you want to see out of Schoomaker 551 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 8: going into the season again? 552 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 15: You know sometimes you know I was I was told 553 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 15: this early on when I started coaching tight ends. It's 554 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 15: really and truly, for the most part, more so on 555 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 15: the average, it takes three years for these guys to 556 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 15: really see what what you got in the tight end, 557 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 15: because a tight end is asked to do so many things, 558 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 15: not just you know, mentally, but physically. And so in 559 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 15: year three, the best thing he did was his clique 560 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 15: stayed on the grass. He was healthy through it all season. 561 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 15: He was healthy through training camp, he was healthy through 562 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 15: the season. Did a phenomenal job with his training regiment 563 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 15: to get himself in the positions to stay healthy. His 564 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 15: athleticisms has grown, and then his grit, his mental toughness, 565 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 15: and his physical toughness has grown. And so I'm really 566 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 15: excited about him in the year four, trying to max 567 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 15: out the opportunities for him so that he could showcase. 568 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 11: The Billies and all the hard work that he's. 569 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: Been putting into it and staying on the same lines 570 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: of growth and consistency. I want to talk about Brevin 571 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: span four because coming out of Minnesota, he was that 572 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: blocking tight end and I feel like he really grew 573 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: in that receiving aspect. What did you see from him 574 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: this year and where are you expecting him to kind 575 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: of take those next steps in that aspect. 576 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 15: You know, Brevan early on, I saw a guy that's 577 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 15: very diligent, and he's very he's very routine based. 578 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 11: I mean he's in the right he's in the weight. 579 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 15: Room every morning at seven o'clock stretching and rolling out. 580 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 15: And so that right there set the table in terms 581 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 15: of this guy right here is going to continue to 582 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 15: send and so you got to make sure that you 583 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 15: continue to be very intentional what you give him. And uh, 584 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 15: he's done a phenomenal job. I mean he's a gladiator 585 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 15: in the run game, and uh he shows the ability 586 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 15: to baby stretch the field vertically and he owns his 587 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 15: role and not only unless he dominates his role. 588 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 11: And so we talk about in our room. 589 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 15: You know, hey, Mama, put food on your plate, and 590 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 15: you eat all your food right next time, around MoMA 591 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 15: gonna do what put a little bit more on your 592 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 15: play on the food, and so we just got to 593 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 15: try to do it better. We just got going into 594 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 15: this year. In terms of for his growth, it's trying 595 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 15: to put more on his plate. Let's see if he's 596 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 15: gonna eat it, this is. 597 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 5: Gonna be more on the plate for you to eat. 598 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 8: In terms of draft prospects this year, it's it's the 599 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 8: tight end conversation happening from Linda. 600 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 5: Are you standing on the table for. 601 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 4: Any of these draft prospects. 602 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 11: I'm not on the table right now, but you're thinking 603 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 11: about it. I'm always thinking about it. 604 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 15: But you know, I understand the big picture of things, 605 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 15: you know. You know, we have some places where we 606 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 15: want to try to improve and add value to and 607 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 15: it's one of those things. 608 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 11: Whether or not we take one or not. 609 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 15: You gotta to do due diligence in terms of the 610 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 15: evaluation process for these guys, not just for this moment 611 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 15: in time, but down the road, because this is this 612 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 15: is this is the only time you really get a 613 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 15: chance to choose them and get to know them, because 614 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 15: if they circle back around in free agency, it's on 615 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 15: a different scale. 616 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 11: In terms of Hey, what are we gonna pay you? 617 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 15: So I'm just excited about the process of evaluating this 618 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 15: young class, and I think it's a really good class 619 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 15: that's going to have some guys that play in the league. 620 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 15: Talk to bottom in terms of from the first round 621 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 15: all the way through free agency, what what. 622 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 5: Have you seen from some of these prospects in the 623 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: class so far? 624 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 15: Again, I've I had the one kid, Sharp l s 625 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 15: U in the East West Trine game, and he's ready, 626 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 15: He's built the right way, and and and and when 627 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 15: you look down the list, the measurables are really good 628 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 15: so far. So I'm excited to see how these guys 629 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 15: work out. I'm excited to really continue to dive into 630 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 15: the film on these guys and then you know, go 631 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 15: through the process of getting to know them, because I'm 632 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 15: really big on trying. 633 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 11: To get to know the guys. 634 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, as a person, I'm intrigued when you evaluate tight ends, 635 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: where do you start and what does an ideal perfect 636 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: fit look like for you? 637 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 15: Big staying when I'm evaluating, when I come to tape, 638 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 15: I want to see that play style. 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After all these years, of course in this role, 713 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: what part of the draft season still kind of gets 714 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: your adrenaline going? 715 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 18: Talking to players, Meeting players like doing everything football and 716 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 18: nothing administrative is my favorite party. 717 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: Love it, love it, love it. 718 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, you talk about the on field stuff here at 719 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 8: the Combine, and of course a lot of our listeners 720 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 8: like to. 721 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 5: Know the behind the scenes element of how it works. 722 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 8: I mean, how much does your team put stock into 723 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 8: the drills at the combine and into the on the 724 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 8: field stuff as opposed to what you hear off the field? 725 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 18: Well, you know, on the field part is extremely important, 726 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 18: And how do you value the drills? There's nobody chasing it? 727 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 18: How do you it at least confirms or makes you 728 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 18: question what you saw? It just makes you dig a 729 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 18: little bit further. 730 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: What's something that you mentioned that you know, the off 731 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: the field stuff is your favorite part. What's maybe your 732 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: favorite experience so far from this combined combine compared to 733 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: years past. 734 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 18: I think my favorite part is as I get a 735 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 18: little bit older, understanding the new generation. So when players 736 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 18: come in and visiting with players, like especially in this 737 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 18: day and age with NIL and like the environment's changed. 738 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 18: I remember when I played college football can get anything, 739 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 18: and my parents would give me twenty dollars and that 740 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 18: would have to last two weeks. So now you have 741 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 18: people from different environments and stuff like that, and so 742 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 18: getting to sit down and know them and talk to 743 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 18: them and know what makes them tick, because it's a 744 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 18: it's always you know, it's an old old fella's concerns 745 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 18: like oh, the new the young guys are getting money 746 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 18: and they're not gonna No. I gotta find out what 747 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 18: your drivers are, what you know, what's important to you 748 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 18: and are the same things important to us? And can 749 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 18: you take that and maximize it. 750 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 8: You're telling me the Rice Owls didn't have an NIL 751 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 8: collective in the hut. 752 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 18: That no, you know they they made I mean, you 753 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 18: play for a team you get a scholarship and. 754 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 11: Then they make you pay. 755 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 5: I'm just kidding after that's over. Yeah, you're right. 756 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 8: The uh with with that being in a conversation, is 757 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 8: it tougher now than ever than to be in your 758 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 8: position and to be an NFL scouting department because of 759 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 8: how many different elements from the transfer portal to NIL 760 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 8: to how these players are really brought up through the system. 761 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 18: It's not tougher, more challenging, whatever, but it's also something 762 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 18: that you have to embrace because those are conditions that 763 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 18: you got to figure out. Because if you don't figure 764 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 18: out those conditions, it'll point, It'll you'll miss something else 765 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 18: if you don't understand that. 766 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: I want to get into the roster building You guys 767 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: have had, you know, different coaching changes of course, a 768 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 2: different rotating staff. What's the challenge in building a roster 769 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: through so many different changes? 770 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 4: For you? 771 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 18: Understanding the intricracies of this little bit, that little bit 772 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 18: of a defense or whatever what they're trying to do. 773 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 18: And everybody has their own flavor or direction that they 774 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 18: want to go in, and they're at this position and 775 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 18: they're great at it because it's their system. 776 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 9: That's why they got hired. 777 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 18: But it's unique to be able to work with people 778 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 18: and go, Okay, you might want this, but in our 779 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 18: evolution of the scouting side, hey, I can show you 780 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 18: why this can do that. And then if you have 781 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 18: a good enough relationship, both of y'all might grow. But 782 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 18: it is a challenge because coaches are specific, but you 783 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 18: have to build the roster of the best football players. 784 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 9: If you can build a team with the best football. 785 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 18: Players that have the traits that fit any system, you 786 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 18: have a chance to continue to have success. And then 787 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 18: adding the spark plugs because every defense and offense has 788 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 18: an engine. The engines are a little bit different. Certain 789 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 18: oral filters and spark plugs don't fit. It's still an engine. 790 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 18: You just got to figure out what fits. 791 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 2: So then with under Christian Parker and what he's trying 792 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: to do here switching to that three four defense, what's 793 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: been the most exciting part about learning what he wants 794 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: to implement here. 795 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 18: This has been an exciting deal for me to see 796 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 18: a staff come together, and all staffs are particular about 797 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 18: what they want and what they do. It's been a 798 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 18: unique layer in the way that they say what they want, 799 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 18: why they want on it, and how it accomplishes that. 800 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 18: So that for me, that's exciting for me because it 801 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 18: helps me continue to grow. 802 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 9: In this position. 803 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 18: You're going, okay, yeah, now I understand why a little 804 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 18: bit more why some people used to have a strong 805 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 18: and in a week outside linebacker. Well, if you do 806 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 18: things a certain way, why you don't need that. You know, 807 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 18: it's a unique it's been it's been fun. It's been 808 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 18: a great opportunity to learn more about football. 809 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 8: You've talked about the alignment top to bottom with this 810 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 8: front office and with this staff. You kind of serve 811 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 8: at different times as a middleman between the front office 812 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 8: and the coaching Switzerland. I like it the how much 813 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 8: influence changes from the coaching staff standpoint from head coach 814 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 8: to head coach, whether it. 815 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 5: Was Garrett to McCarthy to now Schottenheimer. Does it change 816 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 5: the influence that coaches. 817 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 18: You know, when you leave an organization, there's all different 818 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 18: kind of archetypes and they want to do things their way. 819 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 18: I think that that's the the the the growth of 820 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 18: or an organization is realizing that and then adapting to that. 821 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 18: The the the greatest part about this is getting it, 822 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 18: being working together. It's like being humble enough to say, Okay, 823 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 18: you are an expert at what you do. I'm an 824 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 18: expert at what I do. You run things, let's all 825 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 18: kind of figure out how to do this the right 826 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 18: way because otherwise we're spending in circles and we're continuing 827 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 18: to try and get that best. 828 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 8: So you're scouting people just as much as you're scouting players. 829 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 9: Oh, there's no question. 830 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 18: I mean, it's the people people make the things. So 831 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 18: that's one of the things that I think that, especially 832 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 18: in the NFL, that we run the risk of getting 833 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 18: it wrong because we end up giving young men a 834 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 18: lot of money and you don't know them. If you 835 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 18: don't concern yourself with the people. First, you got to 836 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 18: know your building, what's in your building. Then you better 837 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 18: understand what you're bringing into your building. And it's becoming 838 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 18: harder and harder because kids are now going to three 839 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 18: four schools. They go to this one and this one 840 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 18: of this one, so it becomes harder. So you have 841 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 18: to dig and invest a little bit. 842 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 8: If I were to put you on the spot here 843 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 8: and you had to give a scouting report on Brian 844 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 8: Schottenheimer as a leader in the room, what would your 845 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 8: scouting report of. 846 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 18: Coach shotty Be, you know, extremely unique way of connecting 847 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 18: people and wanting to take feedback positively and negatively, and 848 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 18: being able to process that and finding a way to 849 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 18: get better. 850 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 9: That's typically head coaches are very stern. 851 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 18: They have a way, and you know, it's my way, 852 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 18: so to be able to ask for input, handle it, 853 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 18: still do your thing, but adjust to some of the 854 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 18: insights of other people. 855 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 9: That's a unique way. 856 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 18: And he's very unique about that, and he's got a 857 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 18: very personal way that he really cares about every coach 858 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 18: and every player and you feel that. So that's the 859 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 18: greatest part about him to. 860 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 2: Be speaking of scouting reports, you guys as a staff 861 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 2: pretty much have an idea of what you guys want 862 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 2: in a defensive back. And Christian Parker with his changes, 863 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: so to speak, does that change how you guys have 864 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 2: traditionally assessed the position at all? 865 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 18: No, no, no, you always grade the traits like to me, 866 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 18: and what we tried to do is construct a system 867 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 18: where you always grade the trades, and no matter what 868 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 18: system you're in, if you grade those traits, if we 869 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 18: do it the right way and you grade the trades well, 870 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 18: certain traits might fit something in the other and so 871 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 18: my grade round was so if we were grading for 872 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 18: the staff last year, you come into going into this season. 873 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 18: Now something happens that staff's not back. Well, we're still 874 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 18: grading the traits. Now my value that I gave for 875 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 18: the last system might not be the same. 876 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 9: But we for this one. But we go through the full. 877 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 18: Process and if scouts have input all the way up 878 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 18: until the draft are draft meetings, So it's your responsibility 879 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 18: as the area guy to now take that information, look 880 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 18: at the trades and understand what we're doing and try 881 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 18: and but collectively we figure it out because I know 882 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 18: what they're looking for that you know, scouts know. But 883 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 18: the trades are the most important because now we can 884 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 18: say how they fit exactly. 885 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 8: And then goes back to that alignment that you've talked 886 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 8: about last one for me, But it's a busy time 887 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 8: for you guys. Here, What does your day look like today? 888 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 8: What do you got on the docket from this point forward. 889 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 5: You guys. 890 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 18: Then we go talk to agents. Then there's player interviews 891 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 18: till eleven twelve something like that. Then they start on 892 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 18: the field. Then when the field finishes, then we have 893 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 18: more interviews that go from seven. 894 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 8: To eleven tonight, you know so, And what time did 895 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 8: you start this morning? 896 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 9: You know, I woke up bright and early to talk 897 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 9: to y'all. 898 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 3: Love that. We appreciate it. As always, he's a busy man. 899 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 2: We appreciate your time and I hope you have the 900 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 2: best week here at the NFL Combine. Are we wrapping 901 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 2: things up here now? We will have more on podcast 902 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 2: Nation in Indianapolis. 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