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Speaker 1: Sam and I am coming at you live with an

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Speaker 1: on Friday, April twenty eighth with my dear co host

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Speaker 1: George Severis opening, and then the one in La is

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Speaker 1: on May tenth at Dynasty Typewriter with Pat Reagan and

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Speaker 1: Rachel Pigrim opening. The show is a comedy concert experience.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if the chromatica ball were in fact stupid. It

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Speaker 1: all and welcome to Stradio Lab. I couldn't be more

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Speaker 1: honored to be here today talking into a microphone. George,

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Speaker 2: You, I never thought that I could be a person

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmmm, what do you I? You know, I'll

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Speaker 1: And he was like, well, I don't. He was like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he used it. He used a slur okay us

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Speaker 1: I think you're like thinking about this all wrong, you

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Speaker 2: And that is when you weaponize the concept of fact checking,

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Speaker 1: Not that you're right. I completely participated in toxic fact checking,

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Speaker 3: So I feel, as George's wife that he should how

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Speaker 4: If I was stealing suitcases, I would like wear the

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Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of sick and twisted. It's almost like

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Speaker 3: Because because like she there is there is like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this person is coming at a new constant basin

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay with Army Hammer. To be clear, he was

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Speaker 1: And did you find it?

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Speaker 3: If they're a target landing page for their Pride collection, yeah, yeah, they're.

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Speaker 3: They should be president, give many suitcases as they want.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if they steal my suitcase as long

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Speaker 4: You want to know something really gaggy is I was actually,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always I'm always want.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I answered for you.

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Speaker 3: Rose, Well, this is you feel, So tell me how iritatement.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine being the like official that has to

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Speaker 1: Because I was. When I'm not podcasting, I'm a White

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Speaker 3: And Rose goes to Joe Biden and goes, diva, Can

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Speaker 4: We got Michael Barbara on the line, and we've got

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Speaker 3: Okay, I had to google Michael Barbara when you were

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Speaker 1: His comm gutters. Yeah, he's kind of hot to be.

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Speaker 2: Everyone should google this photo of him on a yellow couch.

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Speaker 2: My choices tell me this photo was sort of an

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Speaker 4: I mean we're I mean not that we aren't all,

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Speaker 4: I was like.

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Speaker 2: Should we should our talk?

443
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Speaker 4: Should I should our topic have been Michael Barbarrow because

444
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Speaker 4: he famously was it gay and then and then literally

445
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: fell in love with the producer of his podcast and converted.

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Speaker 1: Rose a woman.

447
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Speaker 2: Sorry, Rosey, it's.

448
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: Good for him. Honestly, however, you can scape do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no like official like press release, but

450
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Speaker 4: that like there was like like there was a comment

451
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Speaker 4: from Michael Babara. That was like, Michael has feels his

452
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Speaker 4: orientation has shifted.

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Speaker 2: And it's always been. It's always mentioned in a sort

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Speaker 2: of quick parenthetical anytime something like if there's like a

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Speaker 2: profile of him or something there. It's never like an expose,

456
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: like everyone sort of knows, but it's not. Even though

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Speaker 2: he's so high profile, people don't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: It's also like he's one of the few people. I

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Speaker 1: feel like if any formerly gay guy started beating a woman,

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Speaker 1: it would sort of be like, oh, he's by now,

461
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Speaker 1: But with Michael Barbarrow, it almost feels like it is.

462
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Speaker 1: He is straight now. Bisexuality was never an option.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, if if he wants to

464
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Speaker 2: come out as bisexual, he's welcome to do it on

465
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Speaker 2: our podcast and we can maybe cross post on The Daily.

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Speaker 1: Dude, we could collab on that post. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: March twenty first, this is Stradio Lab. Have you noticed

468
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Speaker 2: his reactions recently? I will come out and say that

469
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: after many years of boycotting or not boycotting, but not

470
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Speaker 2: listening to the Daily, recently I was like, I have

471
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: to know what's going on with the banks, and I

472
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Speaker 2: started listening again.

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Speaker 1: Did you find out no, but.

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Speaker 2: He like the grunts. He's sort of famous for the

475
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Speaker 2: response grunts, like you know, you're saying something, oh, and

476
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Speaker 2: I would say they are getting out of hand to

477
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Speaker 2: the point where I'm like, are you beatboxing?

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Speaker 4: Well, well that's when when you go straight yeah. Right,

479
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Speaker 4: it's a very he's like break dancing. It's you know,

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Speaker 4: classic like kind of active listening. But like the grunts. Yeah,

481
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Speaker 4: the grunts are a little like Natasha Leone, you know

482
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Speaker 4: how like Natasha kind of has like.

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Speaker 2: A yes, you know, I mean you should host the

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Speaker 2: Daily he should.

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Speaker 1: I don't see why we don't have just like actors

486
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Speaker 1: play characters, the host news shows like who cares? I

487
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: don't need to trust Just read the script, babe.

488
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Speaker 2: Just read this.

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Speaker 1: Well, they all have podcasts now, so they'll be doing

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Speaker 1: that soon. I'm now imagine literally all.

491
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Speaker 2: Think they all think they are a journalists.

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Speaker 3: I'm now I'm roddering Brian Williams.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean so it's like Chelsea Handler.

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Speaker 4: That was my one of my favorite takeaways from the

495
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Speaker 4: first ten minutes was like, well he isn't any Brian Williams.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was like, got it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Natash Leone hosting The Daily would be so good,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm just imagining her being like like interviewing like

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Speaker 4: coal miners, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, show what are we what are we looking at?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 4: We can show I'm doing a cigarette. I'm doing a

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Speaker 4: holding a cigarette for that, I mean podcasting. You know

504
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: you can you can't see me, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually we're now doing video, so we'll make make

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Speaker 3: this into a little Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Make sure you get my perficked and Natasha leone impression

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Speaker 4: in there.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I started listening to The Daily like when

510
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: Trump was elected and was truly like, this is activism.

511
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: I am listening to a podcast every morning and I

512
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: am learning and I'll never get bamboozled again.

513
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Speaker 3: And by the way, from the New York Times, it's like, well,

514
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 3: I am a full on communist.

515
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Speaker 1: It was so stupid. That era is like one of

516
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: the funnier, like year long periods where it was like, okay, guys,

517
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: let's let's change our ways starting now. And it was like, oh,

518
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Speaker 1: this is not how this works. Necessarily I.

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00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: Hesitate to say this, but okay. I used to listen

520
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: to a comedy podcast that I will not name, and

521
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: after the election happened, and it was always like, you know,

522
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: just like lighthearted comedy. No one was looking to them

523
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: for political views, like, which is fine, It is okay

524
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: to produce a comedy podcast that is not political. I

525
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: can't relate. Obviously ours has changed the world for the better.

526
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: But well, we can't stop doing activism.

527
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: Actually we cannot, and we have tried. But governments, we've.

528
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: Been we've been told by the network stop stop, stop,

529
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Speaker 1: please stop.

530
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: But the election happened and the week after this podcast

531
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: brought on someone they referred to as an activist. It

532
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: was never made clear what kind of activism, what this

533
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: person's background was. It was just like, this is unactivist,

534
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: and the two hosts just were asking questions like so

535
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: what can we do? So what can we do? And

536
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: it was like, wait a minute, is this the first

537
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: time in your literal entire life you have like thought

538
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: about your Because I understand obviously we were all in shock.

539
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: I was in shock. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone,

540
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: but the idea that this is the first time in

541
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: their entire life that they have thought like maybe we

542
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: should check out activism, That's one thing that that really

543
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: was that era, see that still hasn't occurred to me though,

544
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: so I see where that. Rose and I are very

545
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: staunchly like, let's like stay on our lane and talk

546
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: about the things we want to talk about, like horrible

547
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: things happen to trans people all all day, every day,

548
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: every week, whatever. And Rose and I are like, did

549
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: you catch the last episode of the Last of Us?

550
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean? Like we want that's.

551
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: Like, you know, and you guys are centrists. Yeah maybe, I.

552
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Mean I'm a little lean.

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00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I don't want to talk about how

554
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: you know, the the Trump administration was weird for me too,

555
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: but because it.

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Speaker 2: Ended, because it ended, and because you got so much

557
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: ship when he was in power, because you were such

558
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Speaker 2: a snuch supporter.

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Speaker 4: Ye yeah, yes, yeah no in the trenches, yes, yes

560
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Speaker 4: she was.

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Speaker 2: And and let me tell you something, you did a

562
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Speaker 2: great job.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I have trench mouth because.

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Speaker 2: We got to do our first segments him what do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 1: I think we absolutely should so our first when it's

567
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Speaker 1: called straight Shooters. And in this segment, we ask you

568
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: a series of rapid fire questions to gauge your familiarity

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Speaker 1: with and complicity in straight culture. It's basically this thing

570
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: or this other thing, and you have to pick one, George,

571
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: do you want.

572
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: To one rule?

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Speaker 1: Very well?

574
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: And the one rule is you can't ask any follow

575
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: up questions? Correct, and we take that very seriously. What

576
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: happens if.

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Speaker 1: I do, though, is there like questions the drone outside

578
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: my window?

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Speaker 2: I would really encourage you to stop. Well, we we

580
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Speaker 2: would that interrogatory tone because.

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Speaker 1: It won't you.

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Speaker 3: Well, you better not check them back the next time

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Speaker 3: you fly. Okay, it's giving nuclear waste management.

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Speaker 1: Rose, that's a beautiful unique cloth hoodie that looks just like.

585
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: Me, posting a photo of like a very like widely available,

586
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 2: like a black punicle hoodie, and then a photo of

587
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: like ask Isaac wearing it and being like, I've lost mine.

588
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: This was stolen from me, all right.

589
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: I made a slight effort in mind to make them

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Speaker 2: a little sort of fran and rose centric. Oh wow,

591
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Speaker 2: how I did? Okay, like a virgin or like a

592
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Speaker 2: G six.

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Speaker 1: Like a virgin, Like a virgin, I think, yeah, okay,

594
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Speaker 1: singing in the rain or shouting in the void.

595
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Shouting in the void, singing in the rain.

596
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Speaker 4: I immediately thought of Drew Barrymore, who is kind of

597
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: like heterosexual culture in some ways, But yeah, I would,

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Speaker 4: I would maybe.

599
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Speaker 2: Say singing right all the things she said by tattoo

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Speaker 2: or tattoo by Jordan Sparks.

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Speaker 4: Tattoo tattoo by Jordan's Maybe I don't know that that

602
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Speaker 4: like brought me to like the slow dance at you know,

603
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Speaker 4: like your high school kind of like you know, function

604
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Speaker 4: like prom.

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Speaker 1: Maybe all the things she.

606
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Speaker 2: Said, you're just being contrary.

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00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: Now, It's fine, Okay, pretty little liars, big little lies,

608
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: little fires everywhere, or tiny beautiful things.

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Speaker 3: Tiny beautiful things, because I've never heard of that.

610
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: That one was just announced last week.

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00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you. But I have a story about

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00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: that i'll say after we're done with this segment.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm ashamed to say I love tiny Beautiful Things.

614
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 4: And I have bought more copies of that book than

615
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: most books because I would always buy it for friends.

616
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Speaker 4: But she is like cis culture, like Cheryl's strade is

617
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: that kind of like brand of white womanhood.

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Speaker 2: I see that. Okay, marching in a parade or parading

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Speaker 2: around like you own the place.

620
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Speaker 3: Parading around like you Oh my god, you guys, the

621
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Speaker 3: disagreement is electric.

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Speaker 2: It's common for it. Wait, we're paying the thing that's

623
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Speaker 2: more straight.

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Speaker 1: Right right, straighting around like you own the place. I'm from, Florida.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I did not know that either, Okay, being

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Speaker 5: a reue girl or being a businessman. Being a rue girl,

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Speaker 5: I think being a businessman, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, a clean break, a dirty shame, or

629
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Speaker 2: a sanitized description of queer life blatantly pandering to straight

630
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Speaker 2: liberal sensibilities.

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Speaker 1: The middle one perfection. I don't even remember what the

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Speaker 1: middle one was.

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Speaker 3: It was a dirty shame, a dirty it sounds. I

634
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Speaker 3: think fran just has to follow up a question and

635
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Speaker 3: you answered it.

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00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Fran said, I don't even remember what

637
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: the middle one was, period, no question mark.

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00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: And I heard I heard a little like it was.

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00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: Oh so you're stigmatizing up speak because fran Is is

640
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Speaker 3: sort of feminine.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that? Yeah?

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00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, I see, I see.

643
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Speaker 1: Cool.

644
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll just keep I'll just I'll keeping that in

645
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 4: mind as I keep my voice up here.

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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, A soft taco or a hard out,

647
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: hard out, hard out for sure? Yeah? Wow, you guys agreed.

648
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah finally, okay, So what we do after the segment

649
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: is we rate your performance on a scale of zero

650
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: to one thousand doves. What I have to say, I

651
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: actually think that was one of the best performances we've

652
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: seen recently. Fully agreed, Yeah, it was really like, how

653
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: do I put this. It's like when you are watching

654
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars and you're like, Okay, this is

655
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: sort of a joke, but then people like two people

656
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: come out and they do a flawless tango.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say nine hundred and ninety nine tubs

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Speaker 1: because it really felt like it felt like you were

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Speaker 1: telling a story. There was like we understood who you were,

660
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: we understood your dynamic, and there was even a the

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00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: quiet reflection periods after each question I found to be

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Speaker 1: very very intimate.

663
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some people say rapid fire and we say dead air.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is also just showing the our dynamic and

665
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: that Frand and I have the exact opposite take about

666
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: literally everything.

667
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Not but you literally everything, but like a lot of

668
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: from the most end, you agreed like it's I mean

669
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: you the way you told a story where it was

670
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: like in the beginning it was like uh oh uh oh, disagreement, conflict,

671
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 2: and then you turn that on its head and made

672
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: it playful, right, and then at the end end on

673
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 2: an agreement. Yeah, that's what we call it, an ancient

674
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: Greek theater.

675
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: I also just think, you know, people like to scoff

676
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: at the concept of dead air on the radio, on

677
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I think, you know, it can be

678
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: such a powerful sort of rejection of productivity culture to

679
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: just take a moment and say, yeah, I don't really

680
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: know what to say right now. Robot producers are four.

681
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, dead air really helps the girls that also listen

682
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: at one point five the speed which is which is

683
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: meat if not two times?

684
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: The speed depends. Okay, should we be talking sort of

685
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: slower to appeal to those girls. No, this is a

686
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: gay podcast.

687
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: There's nothing we can do really to help the one

688
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: point five to two times listeners, because it really is

689
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 4: just like buzzing at that point, given how fast fagets talk.

690
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: I feel so bad for anyone listening to us too.

691
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's it's not how you're supposed to

692
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: hear us. It must hurt, It must like be grading genuinely.

693
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: Not kind of like it, because that makes you sod

694
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: more feminine, and God knows we need to help in

695
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 3: that department.

696
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: She's feeling feeling, she's feeling one point, Oh my god,

697
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: should we get into our top introduce our topic? I

698
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: think we should. So Rose and Fran tell us about

699
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: the journey to the topic today, the highs and the

700
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: lows on the way to it, and then we can

701
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Speaker 1: get into it.

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00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me set the scene. So, about fifteen

703
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: minutes before we were supposed to log into this recording,

704
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: we had finished.

705
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: This Microsoft teams link.

706
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: Yes, we we had just finished up recording for our

707
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: podcast and kind of went, oh fuck, we have to

708
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: do stradio lab in fifteen minutes. Didn't they want us

709
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: to prepare something? And we looked at the email and

710
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: it turned out that we had needed to come prepared

711
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: with the topic. And so, you know, we we had

712
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: like a sort of like Mensa esque summit with our

713
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: producer to think about what could we possibly talk about here,

714
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: And after like seconds, possibly even a minute of discussion,

715
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: we thought that, you know, it's really time to talk

716
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: about something that like almost never gets talked.

717
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: About, especially on podcasts, and that's men.

718
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: We need to talk about men.

719
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've heard of we need to talk about Kevin,

720
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: but we need to talk about me.

721
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, Kevin was a man.

722
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: Kevin was a man we need made?

723
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: Well whoa whoa did?

724
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: Because because for for the listeners, Kevin was famously played

725
00:37:50,320 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 4: by a one Asra Miller, a kind of sam.

726
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: I love Miller being a sam Britten.

727
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: Figure in the culture. Yeah, okay, well I was talking

728
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 4: about the character, not the actor. Of course, that's right.

729
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: And I think and actors, queer actors can do anything. Yeah,

730
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: we can play any role, any role. Yeah, kind of.

731
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: You know, like actually behind us, except like high school

732
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: football star.

733
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm sort of like, could a gay person play Michael Clayton, No,

734
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: a gay person play Jason Bourne? No?

735
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: Maybe no, maybe maybe Ruby Rose.

736
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: Think, Yeah, roles that gay people couldn't play.

737
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: Roles that gay people couldn't play.

738
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I think, do you think a

739
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: gay person could play Forrest Gump? That's a very loaded question. Yeah, yeah,

740
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: and a gay person did play. Yeah.

741
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: No, I actually think Forrest Gump is very explicitly queer coded.

742
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

743
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: I was to watch it growing up.

744
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 3: I got so sick of seeing people talking about it's

745
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 3: queer coded. I'm just sick of discourse in general. Okay,

746
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: discourses a thing. So men, what reads as straight about

747
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: men to you?

748
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, explained, because look, we're men and we're gay. Well,

749
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: you know, I don't I think rose thought of the topic.

750
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: I I thought, you know, the thing that popped into

751
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: my head was, I don't know when this podcast is

752
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: being released, but I was thinking about Diplo talking about

753
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: a guy sucking his dick, how that was straight, And

754
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: I was like, you, you're right, that is straight. When

755
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: men suck your dick, that's heterosexual. And because the first

756
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: topic we should mention was sex with men, that's what

757
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: that's what I originally pitched.

758
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: So I coming from that as from the perspective of

759
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: having sex with straight men is very heterosexual, even if

760
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: you are a man or whatever else could be okay.

761
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Having sex with any man across.

762
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: The board, okay, okay men in general as a straight thing.

763
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: I think one way that it kind of works for

764
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: me is like like when you're talking to like even

765
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: a straight girl, you're like, well, yeah, but you're like

766
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: a little gay, Like you're like, because you're not a man,

767
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: like a straight guy is straight. Like a straight girl

768
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: You're like, well, yeah, but come on, we're girls can

769
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: be girls.

770
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: Girls. Straight girls are the gay of straight people. That

771
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: is exactly what we were getting. Straight women are the

772
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus community of the straight world. Yeah, and they

773
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: come in all sorts of flavors. Where's straight men are

774
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: all straight?

775
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: Well, because okay, I think there's a thing about being

776
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: a gay man, which if I can remember that far back,

777
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: there's still like there's certain behaviors of gay men where

778
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: you're like, that was pretty straight of me. Yeah, you know, yes, like, yes,

779
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: there are things that you do where you're like, if

780
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: I hadn't sucked to dick last night, who would even know? Right, Yes,

781
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 3: in the same way that straight women are the gay

782
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: of straight, gay men are the straight of LGBTQ. Literally,

783
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: that is like, so they should teach this in schools.

784
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: Will drag they will, and when Sam Brinton is president

785
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: they will. This is what drag queens are right now. Yeah,

786
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: this is why they're trying to ban drag stroy hours

787
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: because they're teaching this exact episode of straight.

788
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 4: They guys really are the straight guys of LGBTQ culture.

789
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: Like now, when people like if you like are in

790
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: a like a kind of queer mixed company group setting whatever,

791
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: like and you're like, oh, yeah, you can say I'm

792
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: gay because now that's like an umbrella term. A lot

793
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: of people like say I'm gay or whatever, and you

794
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: can be like any gender or whatever. But if you

795
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: if you say I am a gay man, everyone's like, oh,

796
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: like it's kind of like.

797
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: In this economy. In this economy, he him, Yeah, they're

798
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: also like gay male like sex stuff, being like like

799
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: leather and denom and going into this direction. It's like, Okay,

800
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: you're just now super super masculine, like you actually the

801
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Tom of Finland of it all.

802
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: It's just like cause playing as the straightest thing you

803
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: possibly could be in order to turn on other dudes.

804
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: It's really crazy. It's like how you know, like every

805
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: gay porn is still like they're like the fantasy is

806
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: that they're straight and they just happened to want to

807
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 3: fist each other.

808
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: A question for the group do we do we like?

809
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: Are we into like straight? Is straight guys in porn?

810
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 4: Is that like a fetish? Does anybody is anybody?

811
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: I don't believe you that this is a safe space,

812
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: but this this is an unsafe space. When when I

813
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: entered it, it became dangerous. I I don't like seek out.

814
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: I'll watch like fully straight porn like guy Girl stuff,

815
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and that is Sam straight. Oh I'm straight. I'm Michael Barbaro.

816
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, Sam is straight.

817
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: But I don't need my gay porn to have the

818
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: theater of war pretending we're straight guys, and I takes

819
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: me out of it.

820
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, it takes me out of it.

821
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: I don't seek it out. I don't sort of fetishize

822
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: gay for pay. But here's the thing.

823
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll come up and I'll be like, uh oh,

824
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with this, like it's like there is

825
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: a reason, there's something to it, like there is a reason.

826
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: It's a classic.

827
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah.

828
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: I Sometimes you know, when you're in the kind of

829
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: porn algorithm or you're scrolling on your porn you're like

830
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: porn all Twitter or whatever, and all of a sudden

831
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: there's a video of some guy named like you know,

832
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: Jesse or Derek, and he's.

833
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: Like, I've never had sex with a guy before, and.

834
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: He's wearing like Andrew Christian underwear, like out of his

835
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: like low rise whitewashed denim jeans.

836
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: That I think, you know, sometimes that happens, and that's

837
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: that does happen sometimes.

838
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it is shocking when it is an actual

839
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: straight man, because sometimes you're like, oh, you are not

840
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: enjoying this.

841
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Is there is vary from what I know some insider baseball,

842
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: and that's a pretty small percentage of performers in gay

843
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: porn are straight men, but they exist.

844
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: There are a lot of straight only fans creators that

845
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: cater specifically to gay men, like that is a thing.

846
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: And I also, as someone who frequents, you know, a

847
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: kind of camboy scenario, there are also a lot of

848
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 4: straight performers. I can you can clock because you're like,

849
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: you know, you see like a like three quarters of

850
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: like an empty gatorade bottle or whatever, like axe body

851
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: spray in the background.

852
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: You know, but let me tell you some of these

853
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: gay guys. Also, the interior decor is not necessarily given,

854
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: giving actually a sort of cover of el decore town

855
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: and country vibe.

856
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: You actually could say that like there has never been

857
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: a gay porn video that had like good tasteful interior yours,

858
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: Like I this is actually this is.

859
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: How okay I have.

860
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: I have a porn porn creator friend who I subletted

861
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 4: a room my room to in l A who was like,

862
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: uh oh, I'm gonna like film here.

863
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: Is that okay? And I was like totally.

864
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: But I was like, I was like.

865
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no no.

866
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 4: I love supporting only fans creators. And they, you know,

867
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 4: gave me a free subcribuent. They sent me, you know,

868
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: some cute stuff as like a thank you, and they

869
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: also paid for the room to sublet. And and they're

870
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: a friend of mine, like trusted them whatever, Landlord.

871
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I didn't want. I didn't want to say it, but

872
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did. No.

873
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: It was I was like, you don't what whatever, And

874
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 4: so they were staying in my place, but I said

875
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: to them, I was like, you can film there. But

876
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: just like fy I, my room is highly stylized like

877
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: rose and if you see it's like like you know,

878
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 4: color coded.

879
00:46:53,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Like and there's there was like a whole wall of

880
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: books that are all color coded. It's like, yeah, there's someone.

881
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: If someone sees Frans room in the background of a

882
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: gay porn, you know, like I don't know that they're coming,

883
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: I would.

884
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: Be it would be jarring, That's what I'm saying. It's

885
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: like I think that would be jarring to a consumer.

886
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 4: I was like with the boy Smell's candle and like

887
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: my vintage dresser.

888
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: Like you need a more neutral because they're gonna be

889
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: like that is that marble fruit or wood?

890
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: Foria, it's you know, it's Coco chonell. You have to

891
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: take one thing off the wall before you shoot your

892
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: porn in the room. That's it.

893
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: I did get some of the I saw some of

894
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 4: the videos after, and I did. I did find it distracting,

895
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: but like they did definitely like find angles where they

896
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: could like the least amount of like my interiors were

897
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: in the shot, but like I was, like you could

898
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: still see the boy smell's candle. I definitely have responded

899
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 4: to a dick pic saying like you need to clean

900
00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 4: your bedroom. Okay, boy smells get not straight? So boy

901
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: boys are gay? Men are straight? Are we so echotomy?

902
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: Okay?

903
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: This is this is literally one of the smartest things

904
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: I've ever heard and us the primary Joe Biden tomorrow,

905
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: No boy is gay?

906
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: Boy gay?

907
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: Also, like I'm like, boys are worried about the direction

908
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: we're going into. It's like a little gloomy to me.

909
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: No, no, no, the queer queer colloquial boy not not

910
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: boy attached to like a specific under eighteen.

911
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: This is over eighteen.

912
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: Boy Like referring to like a thirty five year old

913
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: man as boy is like happens, It happens. I mean,

914
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: I hope it happens. I'm begging for you.

915
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a few more years.

916
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, well, it's tough because also

917
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: gay guys do refer to them as men and try

918
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: to sexualize that.

919
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy. Remember early when I said, like

920
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: Sam and I are man, we're gay. The idea of

921
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: referring to myself as a man is so jarring.

922
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: When was the last day we were like, oh babe,

923
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: meet youa callin Lord, I'm coming out. I'm like making

924
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: a huge realization about myself. We're actually recording this from

925
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: the APACHA health care line.

926
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: Standing out. Have you seen a long wait?

927
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: Or I don't know if it's better help, But it's

928
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: some ad for like online therapy, and it's this woman

929
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: and she's like walking in her apartment and she just

930
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: pauses and goes, I think I'm gay. And then it's

931
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: like then she's like going to go seek out therapy.

932
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it happens.

933
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: That's how it happens. It's a slippery slope.

934
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, no, no, no, please, I'm a bad interrupter.

935
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: Do you Rose?

936
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Okay?

937
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 4: Rose and I used to work out magazine. We had

938
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: this like really crazy dinner that we did at the

939
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: top of the standard that Rose showed up for for

940
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 4: two hours because she had a terrible fever.

941
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: Had like one hundred and two degree fever. But I looked,

942
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: but you can't. You did?

943
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: I had to like film spawn con there or something.

944
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: So if right, okay, if I don't, do you remember?

945
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: Can you help me? Remember this?

946
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: Little Kim was the guest of honor at this like

947
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: kind of seated dinner moment, and she gave like a

948
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: mini speech and added at one point in her speech

949
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 4: she said very like she kind of had this aside.

950
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: I don't even remember what the context was, but she

951
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: goes and you know, I'm gay.

952
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: And everyone was like, yeah, the way bad?

953
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: I fuck yeah, And.

954
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: Then everyone like there was this kind of like kind

955
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 4: of after moment where everyone was like, but but you're not, Like,

956
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 4: but you're not.

957
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: But she was saying it like she was saying she

958
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: was saying and a sort of I'm every woman.

959
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: Yes, she was like, I'm It was kind of I

960
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: felt like she was kind of saying, like, you know,

961
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 4: I'm cool, like I'm yeah.

962
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: That can be a common misconception.

963
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: She was saying, I'm I'm uh wait yeah yeah, like

964
00:50:59,719 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I was.

965
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, no, sorry, she means cool.

966
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: Don't listen to her.

967
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: She's cool.

968
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: It's better than when gay used to mean, you know,

969
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: although it does still mean all those things.

970
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah gay as then I'm wearing a skirt

971
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: as a top. Wait was that Hillary Duff moment? Did

972
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: I miss quote?

973
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Okay, it's it's sort of like, uh, you know,

974
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: she's like, it's not okay to use the term gay,

975
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: like in a derogatory sense. How would you get if

976
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: I went around and said that is so girl who's

977
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: wearing a skirt as a top?

978
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: Okay?

979
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: So did I at least got a little bit of it.

980
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: That was thank you, thank you.

981
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're off book for that, George. She

982
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: was ahead of her time.

983
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: I agree she started she was both a head of

984
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: She was both a head of behind and very much

985
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: of her time. Yes, she started out as ahead of

986
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: her time. And guess what she's caught up to herself.

987
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: She's stopped and she she has parked. She she loves men, men, men, men, Yeah, okay, men, okay, yes,

988
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: say more.

989
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Man.

990
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: Trying to think of like how ELL's men are street right.

991
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: Just so well, first of all, okay, you were talking

992
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: about men. The existence of the existence of men employees,

993
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: the existence of women. The men is very like already

994
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: you are in a binary world. You're like men, you

995
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 2: keep waiting to hear and women ladies. Even saying even

996
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: yes exactly, even saying.

997
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: The word men.

998
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: It's almost like I'm taking a hammer to a nail

999
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: and I'm like, and now that is my sign for

1000
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 3: welcome to the patriarchy, and I'm gonna put it up.

1001
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: So also think men's okay, you can't say women without

1002
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: saying men.

1003
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: That is true. Exactly Who do you think was the

1004
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: first woman, I'm sorry, who thought of spelling women with

1005
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: a y? And she was like problem solved.

1006
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: It was.

1007
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: It was it was Joel. It was my sister.

1008
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well oh god, but yes, it is the basis

1009
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: of like you know, it's like, men is the unit

1010
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: around which the system of patriarchy is built.

1011
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: So there you go. So there's one Adams for one

1012
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: came from Adam's rib.

1013
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam what's the deal with him.

1014
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: It's a very gay name. It's a very wait name.

1015
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: But that's because it's like reappropriated from like it's Adam

1016
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: and even Adam and.

1017
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: Then there was like okay Adam. There was also that

1018
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: hookup site Adam for Adam.

1019
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: But also the Bible, like mythology, the Bible, all of

1020
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: that is very sort of like fairy tales and like

1021
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: I could imagine a gay dad having a son and

1022
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: being like, oh Adam, like like with a snake and

1023
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: the apple.

1024
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the story is gay.

1025
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: The story is very the story because Adam was like, no,

1026
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: you can't have this fruit, and and Youve was kind

1027
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 4: of like, well, I'm gonna.

1028
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: Show you totally. Well, the story of Adam and Eve

1029
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: is very much like the narrative of a Lady Gaga video,

1030
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: Like she created those characters and then they're being played

1031
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: by you know, Sticky Waterhouse. What era of Lady Gaga

1032
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 2: do you think? Ross Art Pop? Yeah, it's our Yeah,

1033
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: it's the g uy video. Yeah, it's in that world. Also,

1034
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: straight guys are straight men as well. Guy Guy Guy

1035
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: is straight. Wait, let's rank guy dude man. Okay, guy

1036
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: dude man bro.

1037
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: From Gayest to straightest.

1038
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: M okay, guy dude, man broy. What's gayest bro?

1039
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: Guy dude man bro. I think guy is the gayest.

1040
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: I agree, I think so too.

1041
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, well, I think that's why people say, like,

1042
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: I think gay guy has really taken off as a

1043
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: phrase because it's like I'm not saying I'm a gay man,

1044
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm softening it. I'm a gay guy.

1045
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: But gay dude, I hate gay dude. Is that there's

1046
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: a performance of.

1047
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 4: It's also just it's it's like it's just something that

1048
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: we say. Now it's kind of you know, omni culture,

1049
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: like a lot of like trans and on a lot

1050
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 4: of trans and on mine ear, people are all like,

1051
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 4: don't say guys like you guys like but and it's

1052
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: like I say you guys constantly, like I not that,

1053
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: I not that because I do it, anyone can do it.

1054
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: But it's just like this is this is wasting our

1055
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: time talking about And also guy is the girl under you? Yeah,

1056
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: so I'd say it's literally inclusive. I think it's guy.

1057
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: I think it's guy, and then I think it's bro

1058
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: because because like meft out gay guys love calling each

1059
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: other bro.

1060
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: As kink.

1061
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 3: Then I think it's due and then I think it's man,

1062
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: it's yeah man, yeah, absolutely right.

1063
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Okay, even this is something I'm trying to form in

1064
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: my mind because I don't think it makes sense, and

1065
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna flop as soon as I start

1066
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: saying it. But I trust that everyone in this room

1067
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: will help me and support me as I try. We're

1068
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: gonna I'm considering it, okay, okay. So like a male

1069
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: like the concept of like man getting horny to me

1070
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: is also like very like it's like such a straightforward

1071
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: linear like I see this, I like this. My dick

1072
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: goes like this. I am like, I become feral and

1073
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: I like and then it's like straight like back forth,

1074
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: back forth, back forth. Then I'm over and I'm asleep.

1075
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: There's like something so like it's non conceptual. It's not like,

1076
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: it's not like a feel to it. It's very literal.

1077
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: It's very like A to B two C.

1078
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, men are literal women our metaphors.

1079
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 3: You said, A babe, I know, I see I'm picking

1080
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: up with your button down, Sam. And you know what,

1081
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: I wish that more of your people men could be

1082
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: that direct about getting war me.

1083
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: But you know what, not all of them not all

1084
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: of them are none all of them have the balls.

1085
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: So you're saying, hashtag not all.

1086
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: Men, hashtag not all men.

1087
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. I've said that.

1088
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: So you're so you're coining. You're coining the hashtag not

1089
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: all men. Correct.

1090
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: So you feel not all men. I feel that some

1091
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: men don't do that. That's what I would say. Why

1092
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: why do you say that, Rose?

1093
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Just you know from experience?

1094
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rose, name one good man? What Woody Allen?

1095
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: One good man? Mm hmmm hmm. This is hard.

1096
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm paul, No, No, that's gonna have to be the

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Speaker 2: final answer. And I also actually I have a follow

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: up question. Who is who in the world right now

1099
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: is the most man? Mmmm?

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00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: Wow?

1101
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: The best man?

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00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Would you say? No, the most the most man? It's different,

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00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh Madonna, Oh bro, that's so good.

1104
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: That's true.

1105
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 4: That's where she's arrived. She's fully living her lydia tar

1106
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 4: like you know, lydia tar like gender reversal, like I

1107
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: do whatever the fuck I want.

1108
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I mean I have to just go with that.

1109
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: I would never regret that at all.

1110
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 4: I would ask Rose to clarify, but your your I

1111
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: don't know you're vigorously. You kind of don't like clarifying things.

1112
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: Also, I'm asking someone to clarify as like, you know,

1113
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: because we're saying like I don't believe women, you know

1114
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: what I mean? And as we.

1115
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: Mentioned, men are literal, women are metaphor, and Rose is

1116
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: being metaphor. Yes, I am, uh you know, as Rose

1117
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: and Titanic said a woman is a notion of memory.

1118
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: And you were named about the quote. I actually don't know.

1119
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: I have no idea I was. I was named after her.

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00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: Literally literally kind of right? Are you allowed to say

1121
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: that Rose?

1122
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Am I allowed to say that? Am? I am?

1123
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: I allowed to say that?

1124
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: No, Rose from Titanic was not the inspiration for my name.

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: But I'm glad to be you know, I'm glad to

1126
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: be in the room.

1127
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 4: M hmm, to be in a canon of roses. I,

1128
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: you know, chose my name because of friendly w wits obviously.

1129
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: Not that friend.

1130
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: It used to be frand dresser, but she's like, I

1131
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: guess an anti back are now so.

1132
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: Because Fanbovitz is totally buttoned up and it's never anything problematic.

1133
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, never never never never never yet Yeah.

1134
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh I love Fran I would love to inhabit

1135
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 4: her at any point at any time.

1136
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: Franz, what about you want to?

1137
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: I want to? I could see it.

1138
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: Honestly, she would. She would have a lot of things

1139
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 4: that check off my boxes, honestly, power play at first

1140
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 4: sec Second of all, I love someone that doesn't care

1141
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 4: if I live or die, just just someone who is

1142
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: just going to come in have do their way.

1143
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: And I think she'd be really into humiliating.

1144
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: What do you think her sex life is like? Currently?

1145
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: That's in her apartment with her ten thousand books. It's

1146
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: do you is it like?

1147
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: Is it like a barrage of constant criticism? Like?

1148
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: No, I think she subscribes to the only fan person

1149
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: who was filming in your apartment.

1150
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.

1151
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: She likes the interiors the books.

1152
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: Well, because she's she's getting a book on the bookshelves

1153
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: while she's yeah yeah, yeah.

1154
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: That's how she gets off is making fun of your taste.

1155
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like fourteen copies of tiny beautiful Things or whatever.

1156
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come.

1157
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: This is so embarrassing, Bran, I'm so glad to meet

1158
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: a fellow Cheryl Strade's stand.

1159
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1160
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: I grew up in a lot of white culture and

1161
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 4: went to Indiana University, where I think I started to

1162
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 4: develop my taste for for Cheryl's trade.

1163
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: As listeners of this podcast know, one of my favorite

1164
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: films is the film Wild, starring Reese Witherspoon and Laura

1165
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: Dern as her mother as her mother, yes, who loses

1166
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: her eyes? Crazy spoiler alert.

1167
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 4: Spoiler well fuck, I was gonna watch that later. There

1168
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 4: are some things that don't need to be books, and

1169
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 4: that's that's one of them. It's like you probably loved totally.

1170
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: I recently recently rewatched and I was like, another.

1171
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: Man talk about most man? Yeah, wait, Ryan Murphy is

1172
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: the most man? Actually, yeah, it's a tdonna. Yeah, I

1173
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 2: think we have to do our final segment. I gotta say,

1174
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the time, and would you believe that

1175
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 2: we have another recording to get to?

1176
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: Are there any final thoughts on men? If you can't

1177
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: beat him transition, yeah, we will welcome you with open arms.

1178
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: Just just let us know.

1179
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 3: Yes for you.

1180
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my version of that is, if you can't beat him,

1181
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: beat him off on having a little fun. That was good.

1182
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: I liked that I saw where you and I see

1183
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: the vision.

1184
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: Really, thank you, Sam. Would you like to introduce for

1185
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: final segment.

1186
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: I should so. Our final segment is called shout outs,

1187
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: and in this segment we pay homage. Is a classic

1188
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: straight to the tradition of the radio shout out. So

1189
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: we shout out to anything that we enjoy. So imagine it's,

1190
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and one, you're at TRL and

1191
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: Times square shouting out to your squad back home, but

1192
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: about anything that you like. We always come unprepared, that's

1193
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: part of it. And if you can believe it, I'm unprepared, George.

1194
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: I actually just thought of one on the spot that

1195
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: would be huge.

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01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: I would love for you to go first.

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm losing my voice a little bit, so I'm

1198
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: gonna have to be really sultry and sort of asmr

1199
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: in this shout out. And I hope everyone's okay with that,

1200
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: and I hope vocal rest vocal I need to go

1201
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: on vocal rest.

1202
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: Do I have your concerns to be turned on by it?

1203
01:03:59,200 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: No?

1204
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: And that makes it hot? Just kidding I And we

1205
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: don't have time for that discore.

1206
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, Hi everyone, this is George and I

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01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 6: want to give a quick shout out to Okay, I

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01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 6: want to give a shout out to Janet Jackson laughing

1209
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 6: in songs.

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: I have been recently on a Janet Jackson kick. And

1211
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: first of all, a small prende is to say, I

1212
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: am so sick of people, even people who support Janna Jackson,

1213
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: sort of defining her based on how much she's been wrong. Yes,

1214
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 2: we agree she's been wrong, but she also is literally

1215
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: the greatest living pop star. So maybe start there before

1216
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: you start talking about your little media theories. So, having

1217
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: said that, I want to say, laughing on a track

1218
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: can be so can feel so forced, can feel so tired,

1219
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: can feel so try hard. I mean, can you even

1220
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: imagine dua lipa attempting it? But when Janet does it,

1221
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: it is ethereal, it is beautiful. You realize why she

1222
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: was the most successful pop star of her Well, she

1223
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: would have been the most successful pop star of Reverger

1224
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: and if it wasn't for a variety of reasons that

1225
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: we're all conflicted in. And so shout out to Jane Jackson.

1226
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: She even has a little laughing together again the song

1227
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: that I didn't I didn't even know that that was

1228
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: the channel laughing. She laughs at every single song and

1229
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: is because she's constantly happy, and she's constantly living it

1230
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: up and we can all take a pointer from her

1231
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: and try to let go and dance to the music

1232
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: of life. Whoa, whoa, Wow, that really fell apart at

1233
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: the end, But I stand.

1234
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: Her is the laugher on the track too, Yeah, I

1235
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: love that she laughs. Yeah.

1236
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 4: One of my favorite laughs on a track is Joni

1237
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 4: Mitchell's like extremely fake laugh at the end of Big

1238
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 4: Yellow Taxi, which like constantly replays in my mind, which

1239
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 4: like it's very like it's so yeah, it's in our

1240
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 4: new theme music actually, but like I Joni Joni, I

1241
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 4: feel like, honestly, you know, Jonie should have should have

1242
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 4: learned from Janet.

1243
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: But but.

1244
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: I was gonna take no longer with us.

1245
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: I have tickets.

1246
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 4: I have tickets to see Joni in June that were

1247
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 4: purchased for me last fall. And my first thought, unfortunately.

1248
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: Was yeah, she knows my nun I know, well that's

1249
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: gonna but I think you're gonna make it, honest, You're

1250
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: gonna make TVD, TVD.

1251
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if she'll be able to land that

1252
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: laugh live, but with can only hope.

1253
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I have one. I'm ready. Now what is up?

1254
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: Everyone around the world, the freaks, the losers, and the perverts.

1255
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: I want to give a huge shout out to being

1256
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: bad on a Sunday. This is a tried and true

1257
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: tradition that lots of people do. I do think of

1258
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: it as generally a straight thing, and I scoff at

1259
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: it all the time. But nothing makes you feel more

1260
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: in control of your life. More can't be tamed than

1261
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: being bad on a Sunday, Because that Monday is literally tomorrow,

1262
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 1: and you're saying I don't really care. I could, Yeah,

1263
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: I could read my book, I could sip tea and

1264
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: I could like be calm and sort of prepare my

1265
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: mind mentally. Or I could feel bad rock it into

1266
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: the week sort of tumbling and picking myself up and

1267
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: just barely making it. And honestly, both ways, the Monday

1268
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: is gonna be bad, so you might as well just

1269
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: have some damn fun on a Sunday. Yes, I know,

1270
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you should take pride in it in

1271
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: the way that I am right now, because that does

1272
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: lead to very toxic sort of frat culture. But I

1273
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: am telling you that don't let them own it. You

1274
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: can have it to be bad on a Sunday. It's

1275
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: your right. Can't be tamed xxo, Sam Woo.

1276
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: I love that.

1277
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: On a Sunday for sure, I am gonna let our

1278
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: two guests decide among themselves who's gonna go first.

1279
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I have something, Okay, save the best for last, that's right.

1280
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that.

1281
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 3: That.

1282
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 4: I immediately thought to shout out the twenty fifteen series

1283
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 4: and now streamable on Hulu.

1284
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: I Am Kate.

1285
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 4: This is k Jenner's reality TV program that she released

1286
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 4: when she came out, and I kind of, you know,

1287
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 4: wrote it off a little bit. I thought, you know,

1288
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 4: this is this is a TV show about a crazy lunatic.

1289
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 4: And they put you know, ten other like kind of

1290
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 4: like intellectual PhD dolls on a bus with her and

1291
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 4: made them duke it out, and I thought it was

1292
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 4: gonna be very stupid, and it was.

1293
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: Extremely rewarding and extremely rewarding.

1294
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 4: Why I didn't watch it all the way through, but

1295
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 4: my friend and I, who is kind of in the

1296
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: same gender category as me, did press play on episode

1297
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 4: one and lit a joint, and.

1298
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: Four episodes later we were like, what's happening?

1299
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: He like I?

1300
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 4: And then I and the worst part I went home

1301
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 4: and I watched three more like that, and I was shook,

1302
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 4: like by how far, by how much I pulled away

1303
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 4: from this primarily an amazing, amazing scene where Caitlyn Jenner

1304
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 4: is hitting golf balls, complaining about her new boobs and

1305
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 4: hitting golf balls straight into a forest like literally like

1306
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 4: just knocking them out into an open forest, like this

1307
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 4: is like a pastime. That is probably one of her

1308
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 4: favorites and the series I love. I'm good I will be.

1309
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 2: Returning to it. I'm wow.

1310
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 3: I like that you now feel like familiar enough with

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Speaker 3: her that you're exclusively calling her Kate Kate Kate.

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Speaker 2: Well, I really that show. There was a moment after

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Speaker 2: she came out before she was like, I'm still a

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: republic never mind, I'm still a Republican or not never

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: mind about coming out, but like never mind about like

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Speaker 2: me being on the cover Vanity Fair, Like I'm now

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: gonna just go back to being a Republican. But there

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01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: was a moment where you were like, maybe she will

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01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 2: be the most important like trans person in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was not that ever likes she's high. Yes.

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Speaker 4: Something that was kind of crazy about watching it was

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 4: just like how I was just you know how like

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01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 4: certain impressions are like so omnipotent that like all you

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01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 4: can see is like them. Of course, was thinking like

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 4: everything she said. I was like Macy, like Macey said,

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01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 4: like Macey didn't Macy Rodman didn't have to script a

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01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 4: damn thing does it? Literally all lifted straight up from

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 4: actual things that she says in her mouth.

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01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was wild.

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01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: It's like when I watched Lebanono. It's like I'm not

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01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 2: thinking of Leno.

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01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of like their version of Leven in No Where,

1334
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I don't know what May West

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01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,879
Speaker 4: looks or sounds like, but I'm just like Alaska, Alaska,

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01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was great.

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01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: I would watch a shot for shot remake of I

1340
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 2: Am Kate starring Macy Rodman in all the roles.

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01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that I would love to exist. I

1342
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: actually need that now.

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 2: I need Macy to play not just Caitlin, but all

1344
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 2: the as you so referred to them PhD dolls in

1345
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 2: this on the bus.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy.

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 4: I mean the thing, I didn't watch it in real time,

1348
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 4: and so in my head I was like they really

1349
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 4: like tricked all these girls into like being on a buster.

1350
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 4: But they were all a part of this moment, just

1351
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 4: as you said, were like, Kate's gonna be the most

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01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 4: important transperson of the world.

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01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: So I have to either is like Jennifer Boylan, It's Jenny.

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01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 4: Vannie Boylan, Kate Bornstein, jen rich Jen Richards, Candice Kane,

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01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 4: Zachary Trucker.

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 4: And but the thing is they were I mean, the

1358
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,879
Speaker 4: thing is they all held their own in every conversation,

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 4: like held her accountable. I was like shook that it's

1360
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 4: like produced by Kardashian people. I was like, how why

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 4: did they leave all this in? It was like actual

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01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 4: like trans like three point zero conversations that were like

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01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 4: genuinely useful that like Kate wasn't even a part of

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01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 4: And I was like what am I How?

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01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 2: Like how did this get here?

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: But it was?

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: It was it was great. Wow, there you go. Well Rose,

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01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: whenever you are ready.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hi, this is Rose from Bocaroto in Florida, And

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Speaker 3: I'm skiving rehearsal to be here, and I want to

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: shout out real milk. And you know, I don't want

1372
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 3: to be positive about something by being negative about another thing.

1373
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 3: But fake milk is disgusting. And this weekend I was

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 3: making myself a coffee and I was pouring almond milk

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01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 3: into it, and I was like, why is this milk gray?

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: And then I remember that it's like made from almond,

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01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: so like it's disgusting, and like, I know real milk

1378
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 3: is bad, but like is it It's like kind of good.

1379
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: It like tastes really good, and like I don't know

1380
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 3: what all this estrogen has done to my body, and

1381
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure my bones are like really brittle, so I

1382
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 3: know that like the thing about milk being good for

1383
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: your bones is like a lie that was made up

1384
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 3: by the like big milk or whatever, but like it's

1385
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: also probably kind of true. And so like I'm experimenting.

1386
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: I bought some whole milk. I also bought some one percent.

1387
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go buy some two percent later and just

1388
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 3: like figure out what my vibe is and like, you know,

1389
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 3: it's making me kind of muca see and that's not

1390
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: great because I like do have a podcast, but I

1391
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be fine. It's gonna add some character

1392
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 3: to my voice. And yeah, I just like I I

1393
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: love milk. I love milk.

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01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: Milk is.

1395
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

1396
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: That was like a masterclass in dialectical argumentation. You would

1397
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 2: say one thing, then immediately contradict yourself, and then find

1398
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: like a midway point you were like, I need milk

1399
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: because of my bones. I know that's been debunked, but

1400
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: also maybe it hasn't.

1401
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: Well that was first that has been debunked. Yeah, I

1402
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: had no idea.

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01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 4: I mean we need to be, you know, putting more

1404
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 4: money into the pockets of big milking about milk ads,

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say, Like back in

1406
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: the nineties when we were all behind big milk, and

1407
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, where is the support for big milk?

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: Where is the allyship for big milk?

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01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 6: You see?

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 4: You know, we don't see the queer tea. You know,

1411
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 4: article like infographic of Melissa McCarthy talking about milk.

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01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 3: After after a year stuff, after years of laser hair removal.

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 3: The only mustache I want is a milk mustache, period.

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: Say that and with that. Wow, thank you so much

1415
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: for doing the podcast, so.

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 2: Much for doing the podcast.

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01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: That was true.

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: This was an absolute delight. I am on Cloud nine

1419
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 2: me too.

1420
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: This was so fun, especially in four PM. Is like

1421
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: the slump of my day, and this was probably I

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: am so glad, so glad well Chow